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Offline gandydancer123

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Your new guitar just came in after weeks of waiting and dealing with your favorite shipper in Philmusic..Say your High end Suhr, or Les Paul..or that Fender Custom Shop...you star opening the box and cherishing that moment where you start opening the hard case that went with your instrument..there she is ..shiny, slick..and gorgeous...

After a few weeks or days..your gorgeous high end guitar suffers a massive blow..in one unfortunate circumstance..say your heavy set of keys fell off the table and fell onto your gorgeous guitar beside it...or perhaps..you tripped on the guitar cable and sent your prized baby falling to the floor...what about your house help..wiping your guitar with a rough cloth...or you forgot to remove your BELT with that huge buckle.and dented and scratched your guitars back heavily.etc etc..

Share your first "Dent" stories and how you dealt with it..How long was your MOURNING period..and how you coped..after a few months? Parang sapatos or bagong cellphone sa una super alaga pero once mahulog at mabagsak wala ng ibig sabihin sa iyo after a few months...They say..Guitars are happy when they are used and abused..they bring on more MOJO LOVE the more they are played..and not babied..What are your thoughts?
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Bah! Put another one on it then move on.

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heres a nice reply I read..

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Originally Posted by Hogman49 
The first dings always give me a little sick feeling. But I've come to realize it's because it's the only one at the time, and it sticks out like a sore thumb. As time goes by, and there are more dings and natural wear, it actually starts to look great, broken in and played, the way it should. There is no way around it unless you, a) keep it in it's case and never play it, which is lame, or, b) wear pajamas when you play, so you're jeans or belt don't rub up against it, but you will look really lame, and chicks won't dig you. My advice, take a deep breath, strap that guitar on and play the [gooey brown stuff] out of it. You only live once. Rock on man. 


The first dent is the Deepest...


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Perfect guitars are ding magnets - figure that you've demagnetized it, and enjoy it -

Anybody tried STEAMING dents out using a wet piece of cloth and soldering iron?|

http://guitargarage.blogspot.com/2008/11/how-to-steaming-out-dents-in-guitar.html

How To: Steaming out dents in guitar bodies
I wanted to write a post on a technique I've been using for about the last year to remove dings and dents in guitar bodies.

I want to emphasize that this only works for cases where the wood is simply compressed and it will not work for chips, where the wood is actually missing.

The idea is to get water into the dented, compressed wood and then heat it up with a soldering iron until steam is formed, which will then expand and swell out the compressed wood.

The example in this case is a 1966 Fender Jazz Bass body, made of alder. There are two dents I'm going to work on here - one is a sharp dent along the upper edge of the body and the other is a more rounded ding on the side. They are both plainly visible in the picture.


The dented areas are first generously wetted with water - let it soak in for a few minutes at least - and then rewet.


The a cotton cloth is dipped in water, and the wet part is applied over the dent. The tip of a hot soldering iron is pressed against the wet cloth and rolled around a bit. There should be plenty of steam as you do this - otherwise your soldering iron isn't hot enough or you don't have enough water.



This process should be repeated until the dent has popped out - with lots of added water to the wood and cloth each time and allowing the soldering iron to heat up again. I steamed these dents about 4 times over a 10 minute period.

As you can see - the dents are still visible - but the have popped out til they are almost even with the surface. Once this body is sealed, primed and sanded they shouldn't be visible at all.



The second view better illustrates how the dents have been expanded out to near the original contours.



I've used this technique on alder, ash and mahogany bodies - I haven't tried it on a harder wood such as maple - it may not work because it may be hard for the moisture to penetrate the wood to get the required steaming action - but who knows, maybe it will work ?
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Just leave it... your guitar will eventually get another one, and another one. If you get one, expect many others in the lifetime of that guitar... they're just battle scars, and they always make great stories... stuff like that is purely cosmetic and not worth spending time or money to fix..
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That first ding is always painful. But it is freeing. I bought a used SG that was kind of dinged up and after a few hours I realized I was actually grateful it was, because now I can play the thing instead of babying it like I have my flawless CVC.
But the first one hurts and you'll continually notice it until a few more dings happen...then it will be properly broken in.
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If after 2 or 3 years you don't have any dents or scratches on your guitar you're doing something wrong and you should quit.


nice...
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Hindi masyadong new yung guitar halos 1 y/o na to nung nang yari
at hindi rin high end dahil SX tele lang to  :lol:



Di ko alam kung pano nangyari nabagsak ata to :lol:

after kong maka move on dyan nakapag decide ako na i"naturally" relic sya :-D
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Precisely, I am not Pete Townshend, nor am I Jimi Hendrix with a box of matches, but essentially they're instruments, their primary purpose is to sound great and play well, when I see a guitar with a few bruises here and there I always think of a well played guitar, perhaps loved, perhaps not, but it can't sound too bad or it wouldn't have been played as long to get the wear & tear.

Then I see endless threads here about the most elaborate routines of care that must be taken, humidification for example, a phenomena of the last 20-30 years or so, perhaps even less... yet the most drooling that goes on is for guitars in the 60-100 years old range, essentially it's the same people.

The collectors for another example, yes I agree they will have a reason to be more careful, but they fall in to two categories:

The investor: To them it's 'units of product' to be liquidated at the perceived 'best' time in the market place for well over the odds invested, all fairly simple and understandable. Being musicians or otherwise is irrelevant, it's all about the value and scoring the 'elusive' one for a big win down the line.

The completist: Those who just like to build entire collections, the real 'geeky' enthusiasts regarding all aspects of their interest. These may be musicians, some not, but those who are play them, cherish them, whatever.

The thing is some folk are incredibly focused on the art of caring for the guitar, if your guitar was as fragile as the care routine suggests surely it would fall into the realm of delicate 'luxury goods' rather than a professional class instrument, no? This is more common in the boutique market; and yes there are more dollars at stake, buy why would you then play these guitars, surely they're case queens to be sold off further down the line when the chance to acquire the same thing has expired thus forcing the price up.

For me guitar has always been about the freedom, the joy, the freeness of musical expression (I'm a lousy singer you see), so how free is the expression if you need to wear special clothes, in a special room, under clinically controlled movements by the player so as not to place any wear evidence at all, followed by a pampering session of a serious wipe down with specialised products and a full cleaning and re-casing ritual after a short bust of play.

The thing is half these guitars are not all that collectable valuable or special, basic production models really. Do they really need to be attended to with this intensity? Again, I have no problem with this, but on the next breath to be ooh'ing and ah'ing over a battered George Harrison J160e with holes in the top because the original pickup was relocated, or any of keef's old hummingbirds or even Willie's grave-dodging Trigger, it makes no sense.

Finally, today's special woods are likely to be tomorrows harvested woods once supplies run out of the currently preferred species. In roads to India, Africa and Asia are greater now than they have ever been in the past, so when laws finally see guitar builders at a loss for regular supplies of today's choices what will we see some of today's exotic woods being the ones that are harvested more because the laws may not apply, or the supply is great enough that it may be able to become a standard option.
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A couple of points that should be taken into consideration are:

1. The guitarists and guitar-owners who participate regularly on guitar forums tend to be far more detail-oriented when it comes to guitars than most other musicians and players;

and

2. Those forum regulars who make a point of adding their viewpoints to threads about instrument maintenance are probably more perfectionistic about these practices than those of us who don't usually contribute.


So you've got a self-selected group that's been self-selected twice, first to even participate at all here, and then again when it comes to discussing that particular topic.
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When my guitar made its first signs of aging of being road worn or any natural dent....my first reaction was...

YEHEY!

Goes to show that the instrument is being used after all. Kesa naman magasgasan sa punas. Hehe.

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I dont care too too much about dents in my electrics bodys, but neck dents and headstock dents make me cry.
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I disagree that all that many people are hoarding away new strats... I think most people buy em and use em same as they always did... and with this new "relic/roadworn" craze, I think many are being abused and messed up even more than in the past with the idea that its making it "cooler" to be beat up and worn. Yes, Fender makes a ton of models and configurations of Strats nowadays, but if you broke down the numbers, i bet they actually make LESS American Standards now than they have in previous years, mainly BECAUSE they make so many other models from various factories all over the world.

I'd DEFINITELY say an American made strat will be worth much more than MIM or other foreign made strats in years to come, even when comparing them to more "upscale" models of foreign strats. I'd even dare to say the day may come when you can't even buy a USA made Strat, which will definitely increase their value.

If nothing else, the price will get so high for a new one that the mass majority of Strats are not MIA... in fact, its probably the case right now when you factor in all the Squiers. Will you retire on the value of a current American Standard if you sock one away? No... but will you get your investment back and then some in a few years? Most likely.

I recently bought a NOS never played 2001 hardtail USA strat in blonde ash. I figure the color and configuation (hardtail) makes it somewhat odd and desireble, or at least different from what most anyone else has, and its already 8 years old. I paid less than the "old" price for a new American Standard, and FAR less than the "new" price.

I have a bunch of other strats, so it didn't bother me a bit to shove this one under my bed and forget about it. I also have a 1998 Sienna Sunburst USA Lone Star in a closet that I bought new and never touched. Maybe that's a bit eccentric, maybe a bit stupid, but like I said, I have lots of other guitars.

I actually wonder if the day will come when a dead mint, unplayed 99.00 Bullet Squier Strat is a rarity and a desireable piece to collectors... especially since 99% of everyone who buys one (myself included) modifies and plays the hell out of them... It still blows my mind you can buy them as cheap as you can, especially considering a basic strat was 249.00 in 1954, and you can't even build a low budget partscaster for twice the price.... but i digress....
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Yep. The first one is the most painful...the second one hurts, but if it's in the right spot, you can rationalize that it's just symmetry....the third one is just "Aw man!" and subsequent dings get easier and easier to deal with.
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baligtad naman sa akin...ako, gusto ko magasgasan na agad para di na ako mashado maarte sa paghandle ng gitara...i hate that feeling
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baligtad naman sa akin...ako, gusto ko magasgasan na agad para di na ako mashado maarte sa paghandle ng gitara...i hate that feeling

I was talking about this with my friend last night..while singing some songs over beer.. using a freaking beat up to death 90's cheapo broken screwed  up neck super tarnished acoustic guitar...The fun and easy to play feeling of that old acoustic I was holding can never beat the feeling of that babied to death  Martin...na di ka na maka galaw or ayaw mong pawisan ka para di mabasa yung guitar..

Totoo talaga...and take note this old guitar has been through rounds of inumans, kanto tambayans..choir practice..mass gigs..school projects... and its still plays nice and the stress free fun that it gave..you can just load it into the trunk and drive to wherever to the beach and have tons and tons of fun..walang sinabi yung super baby mo na halos hindi ka na makagalaw at bawat galaw mo calculated...

Do you think if  "showcase-museum piece babied to death guitars " could talk...they would scream in angusih and despair for their owners to use them?

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another analogy...

 A"showcase-museum piece babied to death guitars "  is similar to a kid who is a brilliant and talented Music major graduated with honors and accolades who was forced by his parents to work in their familys construction business and not allowed to play music.
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Ayoko lang pala na ibang tao ang gumagasgas sa gitara ko. Hehe.

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same here, mas mabuting ako makagasgas kaysa ibang tao...haha

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Ayoko lang pala na ibang tao ang gumagasgas sa gitara ko. Hehe.

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It scarred me for life. I still bite my knuckle whenever I think about it (biting my knuckle now).  :cry:

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Ayoko lang pala na ibang tao ang gumagasgas sa gitara ko. Hehe.


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my 2 last guitar acquisition are already used... uhm lalo na yung tele, pero sinadya yung previous owner, kid,
kaya wala na ko masyadong iniintindi pero di ko naman sinasadya na madagdagan, dahil ang iniiingatan ko naman yung neck hehe  :-D

ang sarap gamitin sa jam, mas nakakapag focus sa playing  :lol:

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Ayoko lang pala na ibang tao ang gumagasgas sa gitara ko. Hehe.

that's why i never let my eyes off the guy who's playing my guitar. No exceptions, kahit kapatid pa kita.  :-\