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« Reply #75 on: May 06, 2013, 11:14:32 PM »
sana exhaust muna nyo yung mga ways para maayos yung mga gitara nyo.afaik si mang max ay isang honest at hardworking na tao, maliban sa mabait sya.

sana din wag palakihin ang isyu sa text, wag na bigyan ng interpretasyon.

si mang max ay isa sa mga mababait na luthier na kilala ko personally at kabuhayan nya din yan, so kung maayos naman pala ang isyu, baka naman mas okay na ayusin muna ninyo with him, instead of posting your complaints here.


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« Reply #76 on: May 06, 2013, 11:16:10 PM »
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« Reply #77 on: May 06, 2013, 11:18:42 PM »
wala pa ding PICS?

Galit ka nung sinabi mong PICS? :lol:

di naman., high-pitch lang nung ni-t-type ko yan.
eto, galit na 'ko...

wala pa ding PICS ?!?

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« Reply #78 on: May 06, 2013, 11:23:15 PM »
he texted me last night ang sabi nya iintayin nya daw ako sa shop nya, paguusapan daw yung sa bridge saddles at sa paint job nya once and for all, at wag daw akong magsabi ng bad things sa good reputation nya, iintayin nya daw ako bukas... as if parang naghahamon sya ng suntukan... ganun ang text nya sakin...

pics of the message nga.

and it's already 11PM. where are the pics of paintjob?  :)

and 2 years in the making na tong rant na to? come on.... i don't know mang max pero prang malalim na ang galit nito ah  :-o
no pic, no advise...

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« Reply #79 on: May 06, 2013, 11:23:35 PM »
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« Reply #80 on: May 06, 2013, 11:28:06 PM »
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« Reply #81 on: May 06, 2013, 11:28:29 PM »
baka naman alang picture?
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« Reply #82 on: May 07, 2013, 12:09:50 AM »
Ok naman si Mang Max sobrang dami lang kasi ng customer nya.Mura talaga maningil marami ka ring matutunan sa kanya.

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« Reply #83 on: May 07, 2013, 12:14:16 AM »
Guise guise.. hinay hinay sa pag request ng picture.. offline ang threadstarter.. walang mapapala ang panghihingi niyo ng pictures sa ngayon.. baka mauna pang malock ito bago makapag post ng pics..  :-)

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« Reply #84 on: May 07, 2013, 06:33:58 AM »
kung ako sa inyo dun na lang kayo sa ibang luthier... mahirap kausap ito eh... kilala nyo ba kung sino ito?

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« Reply #85 on: May 07, 2013, 07:10:30 AM »
Lesson learned - huwag gagawa ng "hinanakit thread pag nasa office, blocked ang photobucket.

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« Reply #86 on: May 07, 2013, 07:23:42 AM »
PWEDE RIN SUMISIGAW KA LANG

ACTUALLY BUMIBIRIT AKO MALA-CELINE DION NA NAGHAHAMON NG SUNTUKAN. LOL


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« Reply #87 on: May 07, 2013, 07:50:15 AM »
I, A LONG TIME AGO, have said and criticized Mang Max for not being 'polido'.  Apparently, matagal or mahaba ang learning curve niya.  I also said that if your budget (<P10k) is restricted and gusto mo ng custom itsura then he may be value for money though qualified as bulok ang gamit, workmanship and kahoy BUT still value for money. Value for Money does not equate to superiority or a satisfactory job though.

DECLARED BIAS: I would NEVER ever go to Mang Max.

That being said, key learnings from this thread:

1) You get what you pay for (AGAIN, people have to learn the hard way) -- which I strongly agree with a previous poster.  No matter how its costed out and that includes the money needed to sustain oneself, put the kids thru college, pay for electricity etc., it is subject to demand and supply and perceived value of the service whether rightly or wrongly priced by the luthier.
2) Valid rin ang TS to EXPECT a certain level of quality which apparently was NOT met but I already forewarned previously.  Unfortunately, as a customer, you only find out when you take the plunge.  On the other hand, as a luthier, kung minsan hindi ka maintindihan ng customer or hindi sila clear sa expectations at panay yabang lang.
3) Mang Max still has plenty of customers and that shows the budget limitations OR pagka BARAT of other forum members which can either be good or bad.  Again, kung gusto niyo BARATin ang gitara niyo its your free choice.  Pero warning ko na lang sa mga BARAT at mataas ang expectation, kayo na lang magayos ng sariling gitara niyo dahil libre at magiging mas masaya pa kayo.
4) There are better Luthiers (actually none of them are); they are all just glorified repairmen.  Some are more skilled than others though but I think Mang Max charges the cheapest.  Apparently, the guy finds the time to give out free stuff on occasion -- so he gives out cheap stuff to artists. (heh heh)  Iba kaya quality niya kung artista ka?
5) There are happy and unhappy customers for any luthier/repairman.  But the main question is what is the distribution curve of quality and preference?  Unfortunately, wala tayong data doon.  So, its is but proper for people to post their dissatisfaction in ANY thread regarding unmet EXPECTATIONS no matter how high.  BUT it is also the right of people whose EXPECTATIONS -no matter how higher or lower the expectations- were met to speak up.


Bottomline: Welcome to Philmusic -- the forum where nothing is ever resolved and everybody goes on KANYA-KANYA.  I had a laugh and enjoyed this thread.


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« Reply #88 on: May 07, 2013, 08:23:09 AM »
ampogi naman nung gawa ni mang max dun sa isang thread  :)

@TS - post mo pics ditto nung gawa nya for you
malamang naman gumagawa ng paraan si mang max, para maresolve ang hinanaing mo, kino contact ka nya malamang
kung issue dito e malayo ang distansya nyo sa isat isa e, ibang usapan na siguro yun, im not here to defend mang max, di pa naman nya ko naging client
im just giving him the benefit of the doubt.
try mo kayang kalabitin baka tumunog...

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« Reply #89 on: May 07, 2013, 08:25:49 AM »
lol

TS reminds me of this guy i know who bought a CdR King monitor and then complained that it stopped working after 3 months.

Mang Max is the CdR King of luthiers. set your expectations right.

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« Reply #90 on: May 07, 2013, 08:32:26 AM »
Ahhhhhhhh...  So matagal na pala yung repaint na ginawa sa guitar ni TS...  Hintay na lang natin yung photos.   :)

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« Reply #91 on: May 07, 2013, 08:37:28 AM »
kayo na lang magayos ng sariling gitara niyo dahil libre at magiging mas masaya pa kayo.

Tama.. kung minor adjustments lang naman eh, bakit hindi.. dami na kaya video clips sa Youtube na nagtuturo ng process.. pero kung major repair, dapat talaga sa pro na kayo pumunta. consult the forum first for advice.
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« Reply #92 on: May 07, 2013, 08:46:40 AM »
this is about the quality of service, even if you work at a fast food if you value the customer you can give the customer a hotel-level service.

oo nga. quality of service naman talaga ang usapan eh. and NO, you can't give hotel-level service in a fast food. para mong ininsulto ang mga nagta-trabaho sa hotel.

here are some reasons why:
1. staff qualifications - hotels have higher requirements for hiring than fast food restos. although this is not a guarantee of better service, it's a good starting point.
2. training - hotel staff receive better training in customer service than fast food
3. facilities - di hamak na mas maganda ang facilities ng hotels kesa sa fast food

bottom line - you get what you pay for. kung tipid ka ng tipid, huwag ka mag-expect ng napakagandang quality ng trabaho.
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« Reply #93 on: May 07, 2013, 08:57:21 AM »
lol

TS reminds me of this guy i know who bought a CdR King monitor and then complained that it stopped working after 3 months.

Mang Max is the CdR King of luthiers. set your expectations right.

I think it's bad to equate Max Rufo's service as cheap and horrible, considering that most testimonials usually use the term "bang for buck". Some of his works are decent enough.

bottom line - you get what you pay for. kung tipid ka ng tipid, huwag ka mag-expect ng napakagandang quality ng trabaho.

The thing is, if you actually look at his (Mang Max's) other works you can see that he has works that are considerably better than others.
Now I don't know if it's because those guys paid more or if it's because he paid more attention to them but maybe the
TS expected the same attention to detail and results as the other guys.

IF the TS paid the same amount as the others, then why can't he expect the same results 'di ba? Di naman siguro namimili
si Mang Max ng customers.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2013, 09:01:17 AM by prince22 »

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« Reply #94 on: May 07, 2013, 09:02:16 AM »
lol

TS reminds me of this guy i know who bought a CdR King monitor and then complained that it stopped working after 3 months.

Mang Max is the CdR King of luthiers. set your expectations right.

I think it's bad to equate Max Rufo's service as cheap and horrible, considering that most testimonials usually use the term "bang for buck". Some of his works are decent enough.

(his decent is below my minimum threshold)

bottom line - you get what you pay for. kung tipid ka ng tipid, huwag ka mag-expect ng napakagandang quality ng trabaho.


The thing is, if you actually look at his other works you can see that he has works that are considerably better than others.
Now I don't know if it's because those guys paid more or if it's because he paid more attention to them but maybe the
TS expected the same attention to detail and results as the other guys.

IF the TS paid the same amount as the others, then why can't he expect the same results 'di ba? Di naman siguro namimili
si Mang Max ng customers.

(Then following your statement, we may EITHER conclude that Mang Max is inconsistent regardless whatever you pay OR its like taking a chance, you pay cheap and take the risk whether he will pay more attention or NOT. What a way to do business and render service.)
« Last Edit: May 07, 2013, 09:44:33 AM by firemodel55 »

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« Reply #95 on: May 07, 2013, 09:10:04 AM »
Mabait kase sobra mang max. If dadaan ka or bibisita ka sa shop niya uunahin niya yung guitar mo. Syempre entertain ka niya as guest sa house niya kaya personally ayusin niya yun sa harap mo. If thats the case hinde na niya maasikaso ibang work niya while you are still there. Mas masama tingnan na bisita ka tapos ibang guitar gagawin niya while you are waiting. Thats why some guitars mas polido and some are not. Pag masipag ka bisita sa kanila sigurado si mang max gagawa ng guitar mo at hindi yung alalay niya. Magiging close pa kayo ni mang max at madami ka pa matutunan.

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« Reply #96 on: May 07, 2013, 09:12:01 AM »
(his decent his below my minimum threshold)

(Then following your statement, we may EITHER conclude that Mang Max is inconsistent regardless whatever you pay OR its like taking a chance, you pay cheap and take the risk whether he will pay more attention or NOT. What a way to do business and render service.)

The thing is I have never had any work done on my guitars by Max Rufo so I don't want to post any assumptions as to why the result was like that. So I based my statement on the IF scenario.

I can't vouch against him or for him.

Well it's really unfair to bring him up to your boutique standards since he probably would never even be close to your minimum threshold and there's an obvious reason to that.

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« Reply #97 on: May 07, 2013, 09:16:12 AM »
Mabait kase sobra mang max. If dadaan ka or bibisita ka sa shop niya uunahin niya yung guitar mo. Syempre entertain ka niya as guest sa house niya kaya personally ayusin niya yun sa harap mo. If thats the case hinde na niya maasikaso ibang work niya while you are still there. Mas masama tingnan na bisita ka tapos ibang guitar gagawin niya while you are waiting. Thats why some guitars mas polido and some are not. Pag masipag ka bisita sa kanila sigurado si mang max gagawa ng guitar mo at hindi yung alalay niya. Magiging close pa kayo ni mang max at madami ka pa matutunan.

So based on your statement he is not consistent with his treatment of guitars or customers. Is that right?

While we value his kindness, it's very bad business acumen to bank the quality of work with your willingness to visit him regularly.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2013, 09:19:33 AM by prince22 »

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« Reply #98 on: May 07, 2013, 09:21:57 AM »
kung sa personalidad, ok naman si mang max. pero syempre, on a professional level, iba ang kaibigan sa kliyente. kumbaga eh trabaho lang.

since people kept asking for pics pero wala naman, ako na lang.



Greco LP repaint. sa neck portion yan, yung underside. for the amount i paid for it, cant complain. the guitar's cosmetics sucked @ss anyway prior to the repaint. never was a concern for me kung sablay man yung repaint. mahalaga naprotektahan ko yung kahoy since most of the old finish chipped off already.

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« Reply #99 on: May 07, 2013, 09:35:01 AM »
Mabait kase sobra mang max. If dadaan ka or bibisita ka sa shop niya uunahin niya yung guitar mo. Syempre entertain ka niya as guest sa house niya kaya personally ayusin niya yun sa harap mo. If thats the case hinde na niya maasikaso ibang work niya while you are still there. Mas masama tingnan na bisita ka tapos ibang guitar gagawin niya while you are waiting. Thats why some guitars mas polido and some are not. Pag masipag ka bisita sa kanila sigurado si mang max gagawa ng guitar mo at hindi yung alalay niya. Magiging close pa kayo ni mang max at madami ka pa matutunan.

So based on your statement he is not consistent with his treatment of guitars or customers. Is that right?

While we value his kindness, it's very bad business acumen to bank the quality of work with your willingness to visit him regularly.

Based sa experience ko. One time na pumunta ako sa kanila, almost the entire day yung guitar ko lang inayos niya while his alalay works on other guitars under his supervision naman. Those are based on my observation for a day. I think its more of sino uunahin niya , kaya yung ibang work na hindi nafofollow up ay tumatagal talaga. Yes may inconsistency kase he tries to please all but he dont have the tools , workplace and manpower to do it all , and syempre he cant please them all, lalo na pag taas expectations