Why getting new monitors sucks...

[skunkyfunk]

I just got my brand spankin' new pair of KRK RP8s and I have a few gripes...

1.  They sound so damn good, and don't lie, that I think I seriously have to redo all my mixes from day 1.
2.  They sound so damn good, that I think I need to retune my control room to make the most out of the HF attenuators.
3.  Not as expensive as the ADAMs and Genelecs, but can surely cost you less Starbucks visits.
4.  The woofers remind me of playing Darts. 
5.  They can get way too loud without losing detail, but then you'll be deaf in the next few hours.  (The problems of nearfield monitoring)
6.  They sound so good I wonder if I should get high end TRS cables to see if they really don't lie.
7.  They sound so good that I can hear some awful oscillations in some classic recordings.  Think guitar hum in some old Zeppelin records.
8.  They sound so good I can clearly hear John Bonham's bass pedal squeaks.
9.  They sound so good I think I should have bought them long ago.
10. They sound so good I thought I must start mixing 5.1 surround but it'll cost me 2.5x more.

These Rokit monitors ROK! 

[djspit]

san po available yan? planning to get new set of monitors b4 d year ends =)

how much? =)

[bindoy]

peace sir skunkyfunk , great monitors po!!!ganda ganda nyan talaga...gusto ko talagang KRK monitors esp yang 8s!!!kaso nauwi po ako sa wharfedale 8.1a...medyo laki kasi sir difference talaga sa price...nasakripisyo nga talaga ung quality...nyek nyek...

sir, tanong po?may balak po ba kayong maglagay ng subs?o sakto na po itong 2 piece sa final mix po?kung oo po? KRK rin ba dapat po o ibang monitor brand, pwede na?

salamat sir...ngatz.gbu

[chec]

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[KitC]

I just got my brand spankin' new pair of KRK RP8s and I have a few gripes...

1.  They sound so damn good, and don't lie, that I think I seriously have to redo all my mixes from day 1.

Famous last words....

Seriously, congratulations on getting the KRKs. These monitors definitely rock and they will reveal every wart, pimple and mole in your mixes. Just don't get too involved in your mixes or you'll never finish anything. 

[mikep]

Korek ka diyan, KitC.  I was just talking about that during last weekend's workshop.  I let them hear some stuff I have recorded and mixed of my band, and as I was listening, it hit me.  Gotta re-mix.  A few days after, I just decided to just do some mastering on them and see what happens.  If need be, then I'll remix.  Never ending process.

BTW, did you call Richard?  Thanks.

Skunky, what's your KRK model?  Is that the one in the pics?  Thanks.

[abyssinianson]

yep, mixing is always a process. just make sure that, this time, you A/B your main reference mix with something else representative of the real world. remember, not all speakers in the real-world have the frequency response of studio monitors. speaker cross overs and amplification is a point where variation - HUGE variation - exists between consumer speakers. it is for this very reason of variability that I have a pair of regular bookshelf speaker that I switch to periodically in addition to my monitors during a mix.

[skunkyfunk]

Korek ka diyan, KitC.  I was just talking about that during last weekend's workshop.  I let them hear some stuff I have recorded and mixed of my band, and as I was listening, it hit me.  Gotta re-mix.  A few days after, I just decided to just do some mastering on them and see what happens.  If need be, then I'll remix.  Never ending process.

BTW, did you call Richard?  Thanks.

Skunky, what's your KRK model?  Is that the one in the pics?  Thanks.

Sir Mike I got the KRK Rokit RP8s.  I am still to too ashamed to take a pic of my workstation as I need to ask my trusty karpintero to customize my desk with removable racks.  As of now it's all cluttered up.    I also got a Soundtech System Switcher for like $10 at eBay in virtually new condition (display unit) so I can use more than one set of monitor speakers to countercheck my mixes. 

I think the real challenge is getting rid of the harshness around the 3KHz area which gives me a reason that not all "flat response" speakers are made alike.  It's like, say you listen to NS10s, you get that upper mid hump, then when you switch the KRKs, the 3K area tends to get smoother, then with the Wharfedale Diamond Pros the mids get a bit scooped.  And all claim to have "flat response".

And of course, listening to your mixes in the car works well too.

[xjepoyx]

kakakausap ko lang sa friend ko sa US na nagpapadala sakin ng goods ko. She already placed an order na dun sa store na binibilhan nya. She got it for $180 a piece!!! YES!!!! SOBRANG MURA!!! maididisplay ko na to sa workstation ko by february. 45days ang shipping kasi eh hehehe. bale lumalabas na almost 18k pesos lang yung isang pair ko hehehe

RP5 lang dapat oorderin ko pero when she mentioned yung price sabi ko RP8 na lang

@boss kitc
di ko na kakailanganin pala discount card ng TMS

[skunkyfunk]

kakakausap ko lang sa friend ko sa US na nagpapadala sakin ng goods ko. She already placed an order na dun sa store na binibilhan nya. She got it for $180 a piece!!! YES!!!! SOBRANG MURA!!! maididisplay ko na to sa workstation ko by february. 45days ang shipping kasi eh hehehe. bale lumalabas na almost 18k pesos lang yung isang pair ko hehehe

RP5 lang dapat oorderin ko pero when she mentioned yung price sabi ko RP8 na lang

@boss kitc
di ko na kakailanganin pala discount card ng TMS

I also got mine from the US and it cost me around $500 for a pair, shipping included.  And you know what made me jump for joy?

THEY ARE 120V/220V SWITCHABLE!  Just need to replace the fuses and you're done.   But if you don't have ample grounding for the 3-prong plug, you might get some terrible ground noise as the grounds cannot be lifted.  I had to tap grounds to the foundation before building my cutesie studio so as to avoid RF interference as well. 

[bindoy]

hmm...sarap maging pangarap to...after reading the posts...namamangha ako dito...hehehe...

OT: sir skunkyfunk salamat po sa reply!gbu

[bugoy]

may nakapag try na ba nito ? http://www.behringer.com/MS40/index.cfm?lang=ENG  ... 2 friends of mine told me na exact copy daw ito nung isang Roland products yata ? i went to Elec. Depot  robinsons galeria and had it tested.. di ko siya na test masyado pero nakapag pa tugtog ako ng isang acoustic song at isang rock song.. they sound solid to me but never really got to test the details more kc ang daming customer nakakahiya ilakas ng matagal...  review naman diyan mga pre ehehe coz someone was selling me a pair of 40 watts this model just for 7k

[nichteque]

i have a pair of these and they sound okay...for now. sana makapag-upgrade narin pero masakit talaga sa bulsa. jepoy also has a pair of these. he could give you a better review since he uses it more than i do. hehe.

[abyssinianson]

may nakapag try na ba nito ? http://www.behringer.com/MS40/index.cfm?lang=ENG  ... 2 friends of mine told me na exact copy daw ito nung isang Roland products yata ? i went to Elec. Depot  robinsons galeria and had it tested.. di ko siya na test masyado pero nakapag pa tugtog ako ng isang acoustic song at isang rock song.. they sound solid to me but never really got to test the details more kc ang daming customer nakakahiya ilakas ng matagal...  review naman diyan mga pre ehehe coz someone was selling me a pair of 40 watts this model just for 7k

they look like copies of the ADAM monitors.

[bugoy]

may nakapag try na ba nito ? http://www.behringer.com/MS40/index.cfm?lang=ENG  ... 2 friends of mine told me na exact copy daw ito nung isang Roland products yata ? i went to Elec. Depot  robinsons galeria and had it tested.. di ko siya na test masyado pero nakapag pa tugtog ako ng isang acoustic song at isang rock song.. they sound solid to me but never really got to test the details more kc ang daming customer nakakahiya ilakas ng matagal...  review naman diyan mga pre ehehe coz someone was selling me a pair of 40 watts this model just for 7k

they look like copies of the ADAM monitors.

would they be good enough for your basic needs if it was offered to you for 7k ?

[abyssinianson]

@bugoy: all monitors are different and i don't know how accurate these are pero if you learn to read their character by also double checking your mix on a boom box or something representative of real world speakers then, you should be fine with these. the point of having studio monitors is to have an accurate feed of the nuances of your mix that need adjusting and all monitors do this to a degree. However, some do this task of accurately representing music better than others so your best bet is to get multiple perspectives of your mix even if your needs are basic. This way, you will be teaching yourself a very important foundation of mixing: know your equipment and feel confident using them. Treat your mixes to sound their best on a wide variety of speakers and sound systems.

[x_taxi]

may nakapag try na ba nito ? http://www.behringer.com/MS40/index.cfm?lang=ENG  ... 2 friends of mine told me na exact copy daw ito nung isang Roland products yata ? i went to Elec. Depot  robinsons galeria and had it tested.. di ko siya na test masyado pero nakapag pa tugtog ako ng isang acoustic song at isang rock song.. they sound solid to me but never really got to test the details more kc ang daming customer nakakahiya ilakas ng matagal...  review naman diyan mga pre ehehe coz someone was selling me a pair of 40 watts this model just for 7k

bro, been usin the ms40's for half a year now.  dun lang ako natuto mag-mix actually.  for the price, they're great for playback and mixdowns.

but medyo hirap mag-master cause i tend to over do the EQ and compression.  hehe.  must be either my noob ear or that i can't hear minor changes with the ms40's.  at any rate, i'm gonna use the ms40's till i outgrow em.

 

[abyssinianson]

you can't master on nearfield monitors, especially the Berry stuff. you can smooth out the proper EQs, yes, but the frequency responses for that line is not accurate. to get past this, use a spec analyzer and go by that because, at least, you can see your changes. also, compare your "mastered" mixdowns on different systems for a better perspective on what else you can adjust to make the mix sound better on a wider variety of systems.

[x_taxi]

... to get past this, use a spec analyzer and go by that because, at least, you can see your changes. ...

thanks sir abyss!  actually, usin a spectrum analyzer never crossed my mind.  guess i've been tryin too hard to train my ear to listen.  any recommendations for a spec analyzer?

 

[abyssinianson]

Har Bal..or whatever metering options your sequencer or wav editor uses. The thing with Har Bal is that you can take any existing music of a similar genre and compare what frequencies stand out in their mix and using its "fingerprint" as a template to tailor your sound. Harbal is a good investment if your monitors seem biased or if your room is not properly treated for acoustics.

[xjepoyx]

may nakapag try na ba nito ? http://www.behringer.com/MS40/index.cfm?lang=ENG  ... 2 friends of mine told me na exact copy daw ito nung isang Roland products yata ? i went to Elec. Depot  robinsons galeria and had it tested.. di ko siya na test masyado pero nakapag pa tugtog ako ng isang acoustic song at isang rock song.. they sound solid to me but never really got to test the details more kc ang daming customer nakakahiya ilakas ng matagal...  review naman diyan mga pre ehehe coz someone was selling me a pair of 40 watts this model just for 7k

they look like copies of the ADAM monitors.

would they be good enough for your basic needs if it was offered to you for 7k ?

yes... i do have MS40, the only problem of this piece is the mid range. ok na rin sya for tracking and mixing pero you have to be very cautious. Havnt really tried it during mastering yet pero mukhang magiging pang tracking monitors ko na lang to coz my KRK RP8 will arrive on or before the last week of february. Gathering thousands of inputs /reviews regarding monitors made me decided to get the KRK RP8. Yes the RP8 is more expensive than Samson Resolv 80 locally kaya nga before naka zero and targeting the resolv... good thing i have assets in the US to get me stuffs. 

[x_taxi]

just got my krk v6 today.  still breakin em in.  hehe.

been listenin to my old  mixes which i did with the ms40 through the krk's.  the stereo separation's more apparent now compared to my ms40's.

plus the sound of my roland rd300sx's piano patch #1 just sounds so different, like i just heard how it really  sounds for the very first time.  i've always wondered why it sounded so much better on my headphones.  hehe.  can actually hear how the reverb fades away gently.

 

just found out what splashy cymbals sound like.  hehe.  my old mixes sound way too overprocessed.  gettin new monitors do suck.  hehe.