"G3: Guitars for Good Governance"... Daanin natin sa tugtog ang pakikibaka!

[deltaslim]

Iniisip namin ng Conspiracy Garden Cafe mag-organize ng concert, "Guitars for Good Governance" gagawin this March or April.  Naisip ko ialok dito sa Guitar Central ang pagisip ng ideas at pagyaya ng mga pwede tumogs. Isa ito na pwede contribution natin sa bayan bilang mga mga musikero/gitarista.

• Sino kaya interesado sumali tumogs dito (pero acoustic or low volume electric lang po tsaka cajon)?  Kailangan meron ilang socially-relevant song sa setlist. Mas maganda kung orig pero ok lang kung hindi.
• Madami kaya manood para sumuporta?  Around PhP100 ang entrance sa Conspi.

UPDATE: Have been talking to Conspi about this.  One idea is to donate the funds towards production of advocacy materials on the issues of the day -- truth, accountability, and governance/social reform. Conspi already produces many of these and we can just help them with their funds.  But nothing set in stone yet, that's why I'm opening it up. Other ideas are welcome.

[supacow]

Sana may banda na ulit ako para makasali!

I will support this!

[BAMF]

Iniisip namin ng Conspiracy Garden Cafe mag-organize ng concert, "Guitars for Good Governance" gagawin this March or April.  Naisip ko ialok dito sa Guitar Central ang pagisip ng ideas at pagyaya ng mga pwede tumogs. Isa ito na pwede contribution natin sa bayan bilang mga mga musikero/gitarista.

• Sino kaya interesado sumali tumogs dito (pero acoustic or low volume electric lang po tsaka cajon)?  Kailangan meron ilang socially-relevant song sa setlist. Mas maganda kung orig pero ok lang kung hindi.
• Madami kaya manood para sumuporta?  Around PhP100 ang entrance sa Conspi.

Ang kikitaing pera ay pwede i-donate sa witness protection fund or pang-pagawa ng mga advocacy materials on the issues of the day -- truth, accountability, and governance reform. Other ideas are welcome.

Tuwid at nararapat na tayo ay magbunsod ng isang malawakang pag protesta sa pamamagitan ng rebolusyonaryong pagsalimbayaw ng himig mula sa ating mga gitara hanggat marapatin ng mga nasa kapangyarihan na magsibitiw sa kanilang mga tungkulin upang ang mga mas buo ang moralidad ang syang mamuno sa ating lupang hinirang. Isulong natin ang isang militanteng pagbabantay sa kapakanan ng manggagawa at magsasaka at itulak ang mga mungkahing bunsod ng dialektikong pagsusuri.   

Mabuhay ang musika ng masang pilipino !

Seriously all this noise and music in the streets and in the bars will be just that...up until the Army ante's up. History is our teacher. There is no further peg in this struggle but armed struggle. We can shout in the street till we're blue in the face...but until the Army (at least) steps in, expect no change.

[kawal]

sabi nga ni chikoy sa lean, "kung hindi tayo kikilos, sino ang kikilos? kung hindi ngayon, kelan pa?" go ako jan!
mabuhay ang kabataang nakikibaka!

[deltaslim]

Tuwid at nararapat na tayo ay magbunsod ng isang malawakang pag protesta sa pamamagitan ng rebolusyonaryong pagsalimbayaw ng himig mula sa ating mga gitara hanggat marapatin ng mga nasa kapangyarihan na magsibitiw sa kanilang mga tungkulin upang ang mga mas buo ang moralidad ang syang mamuno sa ating lupang hinirang. Isulong natin ang isang militanteng pagbabantay sa kapakanan ng manggagawa at magsasaka at itulak ang mga mungkahing bunsod ng dialektikong pagsusuri.   

Mabuhay ang musika ng masang pilipino !

Seriously all this noise and music in the streets and in the bars will be just that...up until the Army ante's up. History is our teacher. There is no further peg in this struggle but armed struggle. We can shout in the street till we're blue in the face...but until the Army (at least) steps in, expect no change.

Jobet - Sorry - na-agit ko naman ang "dialectical materialist" leanings mo.

Count me in among those who will shout and make noise in the street until we can get other change agents to institute true, lasting reform.    Kung kailangan parati ng military para magkaroon ng revolt, when we're in a vicious spiral.   We need change in people, culture, as well as institutions. 

Anyway, enuff of the politics, back to the topic... sinong bands dyan interested sumali?  Kahit solo, Bob Dylan troubador/folksinger-type, pwede.


Paging dantuts and friends... 

[kawal]

^parang marx ah! dialectical materialism. "ang lahat ng bagay ay may materyal na basehan.."

[sonnyrayvaughn]

naku kelangan ko na magbasa ng current events.... ano ba nangyayari sa pinas ngayon?
all i know is, excited daw ang bayan dahil may laban ulit si pacquiao...lolz

good luck sa undertaking na to sir Delta!

[BAMF]

Jobet - Sorry - na-agit ko naman ang "dialectical materialist" leanings mo.

Count me in among those who will shout and make noise in the street until we can get other change agents to institute true, lasting reform.    Kung kailangan parati ng military para magkaroon ng revolt, when we're in a vicious spiral.   We need change in people, culture, as well as institutions. 

Anyway, enuff of the politics, back to the topic... sinong bands dyan interested sumali?  Kahit solo, Bob Dylan troubador/folksinger-type, pwede.


Paging dantuts and friends... 

Well...the entire musical exercise is a political exercise (i.e. the gaining and maintaining of power). Many benevolent rulers of history have gained their power through military action (e.g. Oliver Cromwell and in recent times, the ousting of Thaksin Shinawatra)...so the use of force has  always had a precedent...whether for good or bad governance afterwards.

What I meant was the short term with the short lady in power. In the long run, we need to throw off this yoke of patronage politics that lays our political leaders beholden to certain interests...not necessarily those of the Filipino people at large. Yes we vote kuno but guess who holds the purse strings.

Given that short discourse cum rant, count the Emogeeks in. We could bastardize our own bastardly lyrics a little to reflect the times hehehe.

[snidd]

*nosebleed*

sayang sir joric. i know a lot of bands na may pagka-leftist kaso metal. 

[fraudulentzodiac]

sir Joric, BA PA major here...
"PAGLINGKURAN ANG SAMBAYANAN" sabi ng NCPAG.

[st0mpb0x_bahista]

mga sir hindi ako kontra sa inyo, pero tanong ko lang pag natanggal ba ang presidente, sa tingin niyo ba matatapos na tong lahat? san naman kaya pupulutin pinas at mga pilipino pagkatapos nito?

sensya na curious lang ako. gusto kasi ng lahat mag people power pero nalilito ako iba iba ang gusto mangyari ng mga namumuno ng rally, may iba gusto gumawa ng caretaker government at si erap ang mamumuno, may iba gusto naman ng snap election. may iba naman gusto si noli ang pumalit. san ang direkyon natin pagkatapos nito?  sa kapayapaan? kaunlaran? kahirapan? o sa kawalan?

[fraudulentzodiac]

Haha funny, this thread went nowhere near the topic.

anyway...
Governance does not only involve the one who's called the President, it involves everyone including you and me. I assume sir Joric (having had his post graduate degree/s(?) from the National College of Public Administration and Governance of UP Diliman) stands not for just ousting GMA but for building a better interaction between the state (government), the private/business sector and civil society towards national development in a democratic-republic setting which is our nation. that, according to a sh!tload of readings, lectures etc. from our college, is Governance. *bow.

anyway, according to my last visit to the college, there are probably 5 of us from the undergrad level who can probably contribute to this Guitars for Good Governance.

[BAMF]

mga sir hindi ako kontra sa inyo, pero tanong ko lang pag natanggal ba ang presidente, sa tingin niyo ba matatapos na tong lahat? san naman kaya pupulutin pinas at mga pilipino pagkatapos nito?

sensya na curious lang ako. gusto kasi ng lahat mag people power pero nalilito ako iba iba ang gusto mangyari ng mga namumuno ng rally, may iba gusto gumawa ng caretaker government at si erap ang mamumuno, may iba gusto naman ng snap election. may iba naman gusto si noli ang pumalit. san ang direkyon natin pagkatapos nito?  sa kapayapaan? kaunlaran? kahirapan? o sa kawalan?

Yup. That's the crux...what next ? And what's the alternative ? We put up with this blatant corruption that will put all your unborn descendants into debt ?

True, change has its risks. Not all change is for the better, just as not all movement is forward.

[kawal]

mga sir hindi ako kontra sa inyo, pero tanong ko lang pag natanggal ba ang presidente, sa tingin niyo ba matatapos na tong lahat? san naman kaya pupulutin pinas at mga pilipino pagkatapos nito?

magandang tanong yan bro. ganito yan. kaya mayroong conflict ngayon sa bansa natin ay dahil sa mga taong may ugaling "teka lang..." , "oops sandali.." , "hephephep! teka muna..". anong ibig sabihin nito? - hindi [chewbacca] at hindi basta-basta pumapayag ang mga Pilipino. ibig sabihin ay may mga umaalma dahil may hindi tamang nangyayari. totoo, kahit matanggal ang presidente, hindi ito matatapos lahat (gaya ng sabi mo). pero hindi ba't mas magigising tayo sa style ng corruption sa bansa natin, at may idea na tayo (or at least a headstart) kung paano ito masusugpo? hindi ba't mas magiging alert at vigilant tayo na bantayan ang ating mga pulitiko?  hindi ba't mas magiging magaling tayong pumili ng mga iboboto natin sa eleksyon? hindi ba't mas magiging matapang tayo (halimbawa ni lozada) na ilantad ang mga katiwalian sa gobyerno natin? kapag ang lahat ng sagot sa mga "hindi ba" na tanong ko ay "oo", may idea ka na dapat kung saan tayo pupulutin; and i'm sure mas magandang lugar yun kesa sa kinalulugaran natin ngayon.

[BAMF]

Haha funny, this thread went nowhere near the topic.

anyway...
Governance does not only involve the one who's called the President, it involves everyone including you and me. I assume sir Joric (having had his post graduate degree/s(?) from the National College of Public Administration and Governance of UP Diliman) stands not for just ousting GMA but for building a better interaction between the state (government), the private/business sector and civil society towards national development in a democratic-republic setting which is our nation. that, according to a sh!tload of readings, lectures etc. from our college, is Governance. *bow.

anyway, according to my last visit to the college, there are probably 5 of us from the undergrad level who can probably contribute to this Guitars for Good Governance.

I was watching I dunno if that was a news or a documentary. But one of the featured speakers said something like "as long as the rules don't change, it doesn't matter who you put into power. The players will change but the play remains the same".

Indeed we do need something more far-reaching than merely ousting a President. No I don't have a solution, wish I had. But if I were to imagine it...it would sure be far-removed from what we have now.

What we need is a government where it is the PEOPLE and not the special interest groups that actually put politicians in power. Any suggestions ? I think we could be transferred to the anything goes for talking too much politics hahehehe. Maka-tulog na nga.

[pizarro84]

magandang tanong yan bro. ganito yan. kaya mayroong conflict ngayon sa bansa natin ay dahil sa mga taong may ugaling "teka lang..." , "oops sandali.." , "hephephep! teka muna..". anong ibig sabihin nito? - hindi [chewbacca] at hindi basta-basta pumapayag ang mga Pilipino. ibig sabihin ay may mga umaalma dahil may hindi tamang nangyayari. totoo, kahit matanggal ang presidente, hindi ito matatapos lahat (gaya ng sabi mo). pero hindi ba't mas magigising tayo sa style ng corruption sa bansa natin, at may idea na tayo (or at least a headstart) kung paano ito masusugpo? hindi ba't mas magiging alert at vigilant tayo na bantayan ang ating mga pulitiko?  hindi ba't mas magiging magaling tayong pumili ng mga iboboto natin sa eleksyon? hindi ba't mas magiging matapang tayo (halimbawa ni lozada) na ilantad ang mga katiwalian sa gobyerno natin? kapag ang lahat ng sagot sa mga "hindi ba" na tanong ko ay "oo", may idea ka na dapat kung saan tayo pupulutin; and i'm sure mas magandang lugar yun kesa sa kinalulugaran natin ngayon.

Hindi po ba dapat kung talagang totoo yan e nagising at nadala na tayo noon pa lang kay Macrcos? ang magiging dating lang kasi sa ibang bansa e hindi nadadala ang mga pilipino at mukhang totoo nga ito. Sabagay, wala namang bansang nakukuntento ang mga mamamayan, North Korea lang siguro  (kuntento kesa patay )

[sonnyrayvaughn]

ingat lang.. out of topic na 

[pizarro84]

ingat lang.. out of topic na 

Well oo nga po, kangina pa ser seven posts ago..

[deltaslim]

Haha funny, this thread went nowhere near the topic.

anyway...
Governance does not only involve the one who's called the President, it involves everyone including you and me. I assume sir Joric (having had his post graduate degree/s(?) from the National College of Public Administration and Governance of UP Diliman) stands not for just ousting GMA but for building a better interaction between the state (government), the private/business sector and civil society towards national development in a democratic-republic setting which is our nation. that, according to a sh!tload of readings, lectures etc. from our college, is Governance. *bow.

anyway, according to my last visit to the college, there are probably 5 of us from the undergrad level who can probably contribute to this Guitars for Good Governance.

Hehe!  You are right on both counts, re my Master's degree from NCPAG and about the definition of governance.  Client ko ngayon DILG to craft a framework to promote local economic development and your definition espouses one of the basic guiding principles.

Jobet - Thanks for the intellectual stimulation and for volunteering.  Speaking of of bastardized lyrics, I am looking forward to your bastos blues song also. 

Fraudulentzodiac - Get your guys together and ready by end of March...


Guys  -  No more political talk, please!  Let's talk about the de bidnez at hand, ayt? 


Pls PM or post here if you are interested. Here's my headcount. 

1. Delta Slim/Jook Jam
2. Nato & Sarah (from UP)
3. "NCPAG underground boys" c/o fraudulentzodiac
4. Emogeeks
5.
6.


UPDATE:  We have a confirmed date at Conspi: March 26! I suggest we start early, like 8pm, para mas masaya.

[dantuts]

hey joric ..

ayos ito. sige i'll ask people na maaring makatulong..

i'll inform you ok. text kita

[fraudulentzodiac]

ok chief, incidentally I also have friends from Alay Sining. will ask them as well.

[ferdie]

i support you Sir Joric!!!

[firemodel55]

Suggest ko na directly na kayo sumama sa mga prayer warriors and organizers ng mga malalaking COMMUNAL ACTION kasi medyo mahirap yata mag RAISE ng P500k which seems to be the going rate for shopping money.

[rolexm]

Si Noel Cabangon! TATSULOK bigla! Haha.

[pizarro84]

Hehe!  You are right on both counts, re my Master's degree from NCPAG and about the definition of governance.  Client ko ngayon DILG to craft a framework to promote local economic development and your definition espouses one of the basic guiding principles.

Jobet - Thanks for the intellectual stimulation and for volunteering.  Speaking of of bastardized lyrics, I am looking forward to your bastos blues song also. 

Fraudulentzodiac - Get your guys together and ready by end of March...


Guys  -  No more political talk, please!  Let's talk about the de bidnez at hand, ayt? 


Pls PM or post here if you are interested. Here's my headcount. 

1. Delta Slim/Jook Jam
2. Nato & Sarah (from UP)
3. "NCPAG underground boys" c/o fraudulentzodiac
4. Emogeeks
5.
6.


UPDATE:  We have a confirmed date at Conspi: March 26! I suggest we start early, like 8pm, para mas masaya.

Sakto  po sa bakasyon  makanood nga rin