they are collectible. not rare. I would consider elegees , max rufo guitars rare cuz there are more pre-cbs strats/ teles produced than both builders will produce in their lifetime. there's a BIGGG difference between rare and collectible
yup i honestly respect that, but the market doesnt work that way in dismissing the above two terms, lets say i build a guitar just 1, thats totally rare if it was sought after item
and with the subject it looks like this is more looking on what rare pieces based on the buyers market, there is a difference on whats rare and whats collectible.
but what joins the two together is always the buyers market, if you introduce a market for the products of the luthiers you mention then it becomes sought after because of the factors the item has and many buyers want but are not abundantly available for the buyers market.
This isnt a put down for both builders because i have plans to work with them soon, just a simple note that if you put something not needed in an auction and buyers dont need it (just a regular item)