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Title: Hand/Grip Technique Thread *merged*
Post by: autoexec on May 24, 2006, 05:05:55 AM: Ang pinapraktis ko ngayun ay yung French Grip. Una kong dahilan para sakin kasi ang ganda tignan pag naka french grip yung drummer. Hehe. Pangalawa parang ang sarap pumalo pag french grip. American grip is anywhere in the middle of french grip / German Grip... Some uses the traditional grip for better control on ghost notes... Yung drummer ata ng bamboo naka traditional yung lefthand nya.

For details on grips:
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/drumset/domfamularo.html
Title: What grip do you use and why?
Post by: rage_27 on May 24, 2006, 10:41:48 AM: nice link bro..!
Title: What grip do you use and why?
Post by: inigo on May 24, 2006, 12:08:24 PM: I play matched, French. I dunno why, but when I first tried to play matched, my thumbs just went on top. It's easier, in a way. Kakapagod lang nga when you're really laying it in... which is when I go American or German, just to rest.

I also practice with a trad grip, but I can't get enough volume from it. Stewart Copeland swears by the traditional grip, saying it can produce more volume than matched, given the right technique. I have yet to find out for myself.

Nice link, autoexec. :)
Title: What grip do you use and why?
Post by: Gep on May 24, 2006, 01:55:01 PM: Quote from: inigo
I play matched, French. I dunno why, but when I first tried to play matched, my thumbs just went on top. It's easier, in a way. Kakapagod lang nga when you're really laying it in... which is when I go American or German, just to rest.

I also practice with a trad grip, but I can't get enough volume from it. Stewart Copeland swears by the traditional grip, saying it can produce more volume than matched, given the right technique. I have yet to find out for myself.

Nice link, autoexec. :)

Diba yung technique ni Copeland yung tipong nagdudugo na mga daliri niya sa palo? Pero ewan, kung ano ok sa kanya, e di ganun talaga. :D
Title: What grip do you use and why?
Post by: waybine on May 24, 2006, 02:53:21 PM: I've been using for a long time matched grip french. Quite effective for me. I appreciate the link too, thanks! Insightful indeed.
Title: What grip do you use and why?
Post by: bugoy_king on May 24, 2006, 05:05:23 PM: Ako mostly German grip, lalo na kung groove-oriented ang mga kanta. Kapag kailangan mas mabilis ng konti, nagfe-French ako, lalo na sa ride. German gamit ko sa hi-hat and snare almost always.

I'm trying to practice traditional grip. Astig tingnan eh, tapos may benefits din siya, pero siguro matched grip ako most of the time kahit na ma-ensayo ko yung trad.
Title: What grip do you use and why?
Post by: palolo_worm on May 30, 2006, 10:28:28 PM: traditional, ganun na kasi ako nasanay e. hehe. noong una matched, tapos nung nagaral na ako ng snare rudiments eklat, napatraditional ako. ngayon, kahit sa drumset traditional na talaga.

pero may nakita akong video ni Gruber explaining na iisa lang ang concept ng match at traditional, kaya kahit anong gamitin mo, same speed at control din, depends if you do it right. try kong hanapin ulit. :D
Title: What grip do you use and why?
Post by: frostwielder on May 31, 2006, 03:54:31 PM: ako, ever since naka american grip. but nung nagkaroon ako ng bali sa left index finger plus medyo hindi nawala yung maga, medyo nahirapan akong mag american grip. so right now, im trying to study the traditional grip. :D
Title: What grip do you use and why?
Post by: Eni on June 08, 2006, 01:47:26 PM: matched and traditional depends sa mood lol
Title: What grip do you use and why?
Post by: drumster on August 06, 2006, 02:59:45 PM: I play matched grip. For me, it feels more even and symmetric (because both hands utilize the same gripping). And with practice, I believe one can get both power and finesse through matched grip.

At times I try practicing and playing with traditional grip, though I'm not really that good with it yet.
Title: What grip do you use and why?
Post by: jun_BALARAW on August 06, 2006, 04:10:33 PM: sinong open handed dito?

like dom famularo, simon philips, carter beauford etc.?
Title: What grip do you use and why?
Post by: Miggleness on August 06, 2006, 04:24:54 PM: Quote from: jun_BALARAW
sinong open handed dito?

like dom famularo, simon philips, carter beauford etc.?

jan swerte ang mga kaliwete! masmadali sila makapag open handed
Title: What grip do you use and why?
Post by: jun_BALARAW on August 06, 2006, 04:35:13 PM: Quote from: Miggleness
Quote from: jun_BALARAW
sinong open handed dito?

like dom famularo, simon philips, carter beauford etc.?

jan swerte ang mga kaliwete! masmadali sila makapag open handed

oo nga tama.

mukhang masarap ding mag open hand.
sabi nga ni sir dom famularo nung clinic niya eh dati siyang traditional pero nung sinubukan niyang mag open hand eh nagulat siya. parang napaka luwag ng drums sakanya. ika nga eh. walang sabit! hehe
Title: What grip do you use and why?
Post by: Gep on August 07, 2006, 09:59:16 AM: Quote from: jun_BALARAW
Quote from: Miggleness
Quote from: jun_BALARAW
sinong open handed dito?

like dom famularo, simon philips, carter beauford etc.?

jan swerte ang mga kaliwete! masmadali sila makapag open handed

oo nga tama.

mukhang masarap ding mag open hand.
sabi nga ni sir dom famularo nung clinic niya eh dati siyang traditional pero nung sinubukan niyang mag open hand eh nagulat siya. parang napaka luwag ng drums sakanya. ika nga eh. walang sabit! hehe

Sinusubukan ko i-practice... ok naman sa ngayon, pero karamihan ng drum rolls sinisimulan ko pa rin sa kanan hehe.
Title: What grip do you use and why?
Post by: peeves24 on August 07, 2006, 11:01:19 AM: Quote from: jun_BALARAW
sinong open handed dito?

like dom famularo, simon philips, carter beauford etc.?

ME bwahahahaha :twisted:

but im not really enjoying it now. its too damn confusing man. sometimes you want to do it right lead but your head tells you to do it left lead. my left is more independent and more powerful, can do crazy patterns on the left that i cant on my right. my right is faster and more dynamic, i do straight 16ths better and faster on this hand than my left.

i only found out about this a few months ago at the supermarket while figuring out the latin grooves that sir mar taught me.

i used to write on both left and right hands too (upto grade 3). pero kahit aling kamay gamitin ko, pangit pa rin sulat ko so what's the use? as i grew older, mas naging natural yung pagiging kaliwete ko.
Title: What grip do you use and why?
Post by: peeves24 on August 07, 2006, 11:02:48 AM: by the way, i tried doing trad open handed, better stick with matched since its difficult to play the hats on trad.
Title: What grip do you use and why?
Post by: jun_BALARAW on August 07, 2006, 11:44:04 AM: Quote from: Gep
Quote from: jun_BALARAW
Quote from: Miggleness
Quote from: jun_BALARAW
sinong open handed dito?

like dom famularo, simon philips, carter beauford etc.?

jan swerte ang mga kaliwete! masmadali sila makapag open handed

oo nga tama.

mukhang masarap ding mag open hand.
sabi nga ni sir dom famularo nung clinic niya eh dati siyang traditional pero nung sinubukan niyang mag open hand eh nagulat siya. parang napaka luwag ng drums sakanya. ika nga eh. walang sabit! hehe

Sinusubukan ko i-practice... ok naman sa ngayon, pero karamihan ng drum rolls sinisimulan ko pa rin sa kanan hehe.

parang nakakalito kasi pag nag roll ka tapos left ang mag lead.
Title: What grip do you use and why?
Post by: jun_BALARAW on August 07, 2006, 11:45:23 AM: Quote from: peeves24
Quote from: jun_BALARAW
sinong open handed dito?

like dom famularo, simon philips, carter beauford etc.?

ME bwahahahaha :twisted:

but im not really enjoying it now. its too damn confusing man. sometimes you want to do it right lead but your head tells you to do it left lead. my left is more independent and more powerful, can do crazy patterns on the left that i cant on my right. my right is faster and more dynamic, i do straight 16ths better and faster on this hand than my left.

i only found out about this a few months ago at the supermarket while figuring out the latin grooves that sir mar taught me.

i used to write on both left and right hands too (upto grade 3). pero kahit aling kamay gamitin ko, pangit pa rin sulat ko so what's the use? as i grew older, mas naging natural yung pagiging kaliwete ko.

pero ang set ba ng drums mo pang kanan?
Title: What grip do you use and why?
Post by: Gep on August 07, 2006, 11:51:09 AM: Since karaniwan sa cross-handed playing ang paggamit ng right hand bilang leading hand, mukhang kailangan na left hand ang karaniwang leading hand sa open-handed.

Oo, regular right-handed drumset ang ginagamit. :wink:
Title: What grip do you use and why?
Post by: peeves24 on August 07, 2006, 12:08:38 PM: Quote from: jun_BALARAW
pero ang set ba ng drums mo pang kanan?

yup, just made two adjustments. binabaan ko yung hihat ko, 1" higher lang sya sa snare ko para pwede pa rin ako mag crossover. tapos inilipat ko yung 18" china ko sa left side para magsilbing ride din.

one thing i love about this setup is you sound like two drummers playing. do straight 8th or quarters notes using your left hand on the china/ride then syncopate your hihat using your right and use your right also to hit the snare. ala carter beauford kaya lang marami pa kong kakaining bigas
Title: What grip do you use and why?
Post by: winstonvlz on August 09, 2006, 08:23:27 PM: i use match grip when it comes to power drumming. german when it involves a lot of para diddle or ghost notes
Title: What grip do you use and why?
Post by: legnacilyz on August 09, 2006, 10:07:54 PM: i play and concentrated on match grip american dati.. ive playing with that grip for 5 yrs. tas mei onting attempts na mag trad and have my snare tilted a little forward pero nadiscourage ako kaya balik ulet match grip.. pero this year balik sa trad.. nahirapan ako ng onti pero sinasanay ko na.. nhihirapan akong mag 32nd and rim shot.. kaya im practicing paradiddles that ive never practiced nung nka match ako.. and inadjust ko ung snare height ng 1 1/2 inch higher sa waist level ko.. i found n advantage sa trad grip, it is easier for me to transfer from snare to tom when making a fill.. tska bumaba ang chances ko ng makasira ng stick sa pag hit ng left side crash ko! hehehe.. share ko lng po!

cheers!
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: manson on August 23, 2006, 08:41:08 PM: Hello Drummers! just a simple question... do u guys play double strokes accenting on the first or second stroke? i watched creative control by thomas lang and he accents on the 2nd stroke. it sounds better when played at a faster tempo.

just wondering if u guys do the same thing... thnks.
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: chrystalin on August 23, 2006, 09:15:29 PM: i tried to practice that before, ok yun pero baguhan lang ako pumalo kaya di ko kaya ng mabilis :D
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: jun_BALARAW on August 23, 2006, 10:42:39 PM: ako accent ako sa 1st stroke, pero nung napanood ko yung thomas lang pinapraktis ko na mag accent sa 2nd stroke. kaso may kahirapan sa left hand.
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: drumster on August 24, 2006, 12:53:39 PM: I also play the accent on the first stroke most of the time. Playing the accent on the second stroke seems like a good thing to practice. I should try working on that...

Thomas Lang sure has a killer double stroke. And I like the fact that he can effectively use it around his kit.
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: Gep on August 24, 2006, 01:01:53 PM: Noobie ang tanong ko ha, pero diba mas madaling gawin yung 2nd stroke accent kapag Moeller ang gamit?
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: drumster on August 24, 2006, 01:08:36 PM: I'm currently working on my Moeller strokes, and everything seems easier to do when applying its motions. The second stroke accent on doubles reminds me of shuffles.
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: Gep on August 24, 2006, 01:21:41 PM: Hmm.. ok... Off topic question: pwede ba gawin ang Moeller sa matched grip? Kung oo, paano?

At hanggang ngayon di ko pa gets kung paano ang tunog ng shuffles... Lagi bang doubles yun?
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: drumster on August 24, 2006, 01:29:25 PM: Yes! Pwede ang Moeller technique sa matched grip. Steve Smith demonstrated it in his instructional DVD.

Paano? How you do it with the right hand, it's the same with the left.

Regarding shuffles... There's a double-stroke application on many famous shuffle grooves. For example, with Jeff Porcaro's Rosanna groove, the right hand is actually playing double strokes on the hi-hat.

8)
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: Gep on August 24, 2006, 01:46:03 PM: Ok... kasi nakita ko yung technique nina Mayer at Waterson, parang exaggerated yung twisting ng wrists ng left hand nila. Mukhang ang hirap gayahin sa matched grip e.

Nahihiya ako, 7 years na akong pumapalo ngayon ko lang na-encounter ang Rosanna! Hehehe... Yan tuloy kinakapa ko pa.
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: Eni on August 24, 2006, 01:58:05 PM: shuffle - bernard purdie.
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: jun_BALARAW on August 24, 2006, 04:28:57 PM: sir GEP.

shuffle groove. 1-ta-ta, 2-ta-ta, 3-ta-ta, 4-ta-ta
1st and 3rd beat sa hats and every second, snare.
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: manson on August 24, 2006, 04:47:35 PM: what videos do u guys recommend to learn moeller technique? I've been hearing that technique alot but dont really understand how to do it properly...
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: peeves24 on August 24, 2006, 05:38:51 PM: ^^^ get steve smith's dvd history of the us beat...he has the best explanation so far
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: Gep on August 24, 2006, 06:01:05 PM: Ok! Saan ba pwede bilhin yan?
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: Miggleness on August 24, 2006, 08:57:34 PM: I think simple lang naman yung moeller.

Sabi nga ni Papa dom, whipping motion sa wrist, let go of the stick. yun na yun.

Sa shuffle, ganun ba talaga sya na hat - ghost - hat (triplet ba to?). Di ba shuffle din ang tawag pag 2 hat lang? hehe. Tapos Sa napanood ko sa nagsample ng rosanna, ginagawa nya sa first hit yung wood ng stick, then next yung tip ng stick. ganda pakinggan. ganun ang sinasanay ko ngayon. yugn /w ghost sa snare, di ko pa kaya.. hirap pa.

double stroke. balik sa topic. ako, paragn sanay ako na sa first stroke maglagay ng accent. di ko sure kung madali ko magagawa sa 2nd stroke.
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: drumster on August 25, 2006, 03:05:14 AM: There's also this YouTube video upload of Tony Royster Jr. explaining the Moeller technique, which was taken from his Pure Energy instructional video. He explained it pretty well without being over-technical. Search for it. :wink:
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: intake on August 25, 2006, 06:32:56 PM: try derrick pope :)

http://www.drummerworld.com/wishlistdrummers/Derrick_Pope.html
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: drummerboy827 on August 26, 2006, 12:19:56 PM: proper ba kung bounce un double stroke?
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: jun_BALARAW on August 26, 2006, 03:43:46 PM: Quote from: drummerboy827
proper ba kung bounce un double stroke?

hindi advisable yun sir. sabi nga ni weckl sa back 2 basic niya hindi ganun kabuo ang tunog pag nag bounce ka sa 2nd stroke.
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: Miggleness on August 26, 2006, 09:27:57 PM: sa akin.. you let it bounce but at the same time bigyan mo ng konting pressure from your finger. that way even ang tunog ng 1st and second bounce.
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: intake on August 26, 2006, 09:46:04 PM: dapat talaga may konting pressure yung 2nd stroke
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: drummerboy827 on August 26, 2006, 10:20:23 PM: Can you guys explain to me the moeller technique/stroke whatever?
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: intake on August 26, 2006, 10:40:31 PM: watch derrick pope's video...free lesson yun :) yung link nasa first page
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: Gep on August 28, 2006, 10:32:49 AM: Ang practice ko ngayon sa pad, tap sa first stroke downward, then habang stiff yung thumb and index finger ko, wrist motion downward habang pataas ang kamay ko. Mas malakas nga ang second stroke.

Pakinggan niyo paano pumalo ng roll si McBrain sa "The Trooper" ng Iron Maiden. Emphasized yung second stroke. :wink:
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: autoexec on August 29, 2006, 01:18:52 AM: OT: Pano po ba madevelop yung parang pinapatalbog sa hihats or ride nung stick? isang kamay lang pero ang daming talbog. Pano po ba yun?
Title: Re: Double Strokes...
Post by: Teedee20 on August 29, 2006, 09:48:50 AM: Quote from: manson
Hello Drummers! just a simple question... do u guys play double strokes accenting on the first or second stroke? i watched creative control by thomas lang and he accents on the 2nd stroke. it sounds better when played at a faster tempo.

just wondering if u guys do the same thing... thnks.

I practice my doubles in different ways.. accenting the first stroke, accenting the second, accenting both, no accents.. Magkakaiba naman kasi ang tunog nun lalo pag ginamit mo sa groove or sa snare drum solos.

Para mas may patutunguhan yung practice mo, get a good book! I suggest Stone's "Stick control" & "Accents and Rebounds" & Joe Morello's "Master Studies."

Enjoy! :)
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: Gep on August 29, 2006, 10:29:00 AM: Pa-scan na lang at upload ng mga books sir.

Anyway, nice drumset! Naalala ko si Steve Gadd diyan ha. :wink:
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: Gep on August 29, 2006, 11:02:17 AM: Quote from: autoexec
OT: Pano po ba madevelop yung parang pinapatalbog sa hihats or ride nung stick? isang kamay lang pero ang daming talbog. Pano po ba yun?

Kapareho lang ng push/pull technique. Una ko nakitang ginawa to sa drummer ng Rampqueen dati. :D
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: Teedee20 on August 29, 2006, 11:07:52 AM: Quote from: Gep
Pa-scan na lang at upload ng mga books sir.

Anyway, nice drumset! Naalala ko si Steve Gadd diyan ha. :wink:

Sorry bro, wala ako scanner e! Wala na akong pera pambili! Pero, I suggest you get an original copy of Joe Morello's book. Try mo umorder sa Bookwagon.. mas reliable dun kesa sa mga music shops sa Pinas!I no longer have Stone's book with me.. Nasunugan kasi ako ng bahay dyan sa Pinas! Huhuhu.. Naghahanap ako dito sa Tom Lee pero wala ako makita.. I'll try to get one in the US next month. Master Studies ang sinasaytay ko ngayon (back to basics ako!).

Ngapala, try mo rin pumunta sa UP Diliman college of music. Mas maganda kung may kakilala ka dun kasi alam ko meron Stick Control and Accents and Rebounds books sa library.. Pwede mo yun paphotocopy sa college of music mismo.. But then again, I suggest you get an original one.. Classic na yung mga libro na yun kaya di nakapanghihinayang bumili ng orig!
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: autoexec on August 29, 2006, 02:59:53 PM: Quote from: Gep
Quote from: autoexec
OT: Pano po ba madevelop yung parang pinapatalbog sa hihats or ride nung stick? isang kamay lang pero ang daming talbog. Pano po ba yun?

Kapareho lang ng push/pull technique. Una ko nakitang ginawa to sa drummer ng Rampqueen dati. :D

Paano po ba yung "push/pull technique" na yun? May mga links ka ba jan bro? Tnx
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: Gep on August 29, 2006, 03:30:28 PM: Quote from: autoexec

Paano po ba yung "push/pull technique" na yun? May mga links ka ba jan bro? Tnx

:wink:
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: autoexec on August 29, 2006, 03:35:52 PM: Tnx alot bro! :D
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: drummer_boy17 on August 29, 2006, 05:42:07 PM: Sa Experience ko kung right handed ka lagi mong i prctce sa double storkes un left hand mo kung ndi ka masyadong sanay gamitin ito.
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: autoexec on August 29, 2006, 09:31:27 PM: Bro baka may mga tips ka jan para dun sa push and pull technique. Hindi ko kasi magawa ng maayos. Lalo na sa hi-hat kasi ang hina ng pag bounce nya. Thanks. Sorry for the OT.
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: Gep on August 29, 2006, 09:37:41 PM: "Open hand" pagbaba ng wrist, tapos "closed hand" pagtaas ng wrist. Yung closing motion ang magiging second stroke mo.
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: autoexec on August 30, 2006, 12:20:32 AM: Quote from: Gep
"Open hand" pagbaba ng wrist, tapos "closed hand" pagtaas ng wrist. Yung closing motion ang magiging second stroke mo.

Yeah ganito nga yung nangyayari sakin. Mejo nagagawa ko na. Siguro practice lang talaga. :D Tapos yung 2nd stroke po ba eh parang gagamitin mo din yung tatlong mga daliri mo?
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: Gep on August 30, 2006, 12:26:02 AM: Quote from: autoexec

Yeah ganito nga yung nangyayari sakin. Mejo nagagawa ko na. Siguro practice lang talaga. :D Tapos yung 2nd stroke po ba eh parang gagamitin mo din yung tatlong mga daliri mo?

Ako nga din inaaaral ko pa lang ito e. :lol: Nasa iyo na kung tatlo, dalawa o isa ang gagamitin mo. :wink:

Paano ba, yung sabay-sabay lahat? Inaaral ko yung from pinky to middle finger e, mas mabilis yun, kasi apat ang mapapalo natin sa isang stroke.
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: autoexec on August 30, 2006, 12:30:42 AM: Quote from: Gep
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Yeah ganito nga yung nangyayari sakin. Mejo nagagawa ko na. Siguro practice lang talaga. :D Tapos yung 2nd stroke po ba eh parang gagamitin mo din yung tatlong mga daliri mo?

Ako nga din inaaaral ko pa lang ito e. :lol: Nasa iyo na kung tatlo, dalawa o isa ang gagamitin mo. :wink:

Paano ba, yung sabay-sabay lahat? Inaaral ko yung from pinky to index finger e, mas mabilis yun, kasi apat ang mapapalo natin sa isang stroke.

Ganun ba yun? 4 lahat sa isang stroke? Ang ginagawa ko kasi eh parang thumb, then parang kokontrahin ng tatlong daliri (mid, ring pinky) tapos uulit lang thumb ulit. Basta sinasabayan ko lang yung pag bounce kasi once na nakontra ko yung pag bounce eh ayaw na. Eheheh
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: Gep on August 30, 2006, 12:33:00 AM: Naalala ko kasi yung pagtugtog nung drummer ng The Jerks sa "Sayaw sa Bubog". Katabi ko mismo ang hihats niya nung tinutugtog niya yun.

Sa isang stroke, nagpapalit-palit ng push yung tatlong daliri niya, kaya kapag sinama sa initial downstroke, apat ang tunog na lumalabas. Ang galing nga e.

Actually hindi ko alam kung sakop pa ito ng push/pull! :lol:
Title: newbie here!!
Post by: xis_phoenix on August 30, 2006, 12:39:46 AM: can i ask.. or am i so dumb.. whats a moeller technique?? im shifting to drums that's why i want to know this stuffs.. anyone can help me??
Title: Double Strokes...
Post by: autoexec on August 30, 2006, 12:46:04 AM: Quote from: Gep
Naalala ko kasi yung pagtugtog nung drummer ng The Jerks sa "Sayaw sa Bubog". Katabi ko mismo ang hihats niya nung tinutugtog niya yun.

Sa isang stroke, nagpapalit-palit ng push yung tatlong daliri niya, kaya kapag sinama sa initial downstroke, apat ang tunog na lumalabas. Ang galing nga e.

Halla ayus yun ah! Pero sa ngayon aaralin mo muna yung thumb then my 3 fingers. Masyado pa ata advance yan para sakin. :D
Title: Re: newbie here!!
Post by: Gep on August 30, 2006, 12:54:14 AM: Quote from: xis_phoenix
can i ask.. or am i so dumb.. whats a moeller technique?? im shifting to drums that's why i want to know this stuffs.. anyone can help me??

(sa 1:00 makikita yung may accent sa 2nd stroke)

Ang saya, libreng lessons talaga ang youtube!
Title: i hope i could learn all
Post by: xis_phoenix on August 30, 2006, 12:58:30 AM: nakakatuwa nmn 2ng site na 2 kc naoopen na lahat.. unlike dati na you have to really search lessons. can you give me other lessons like techniques.. ung names nila para i could research.. im such a newbie.. next week ill be having my 1st drum kit.. para may mappractice na ako.. salamat
Title: the grip technique thread
Post by: drummerboy827 on September 10, 2006, 05:21:09 PM: I use both depende sa kanta

*Title edited by Moderator (modern grip ---> matched grip). 8)
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: daemonite on September 10, 2006, 05:28:53 PM: i think ang tawag sa modern grip is match grip.

depende rin sa akin. kung medyo heavy na, match grip na ako kasi masakit sa daliri magheavy ng traditional eh. i'm just starting to use it pa.
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: drummerboy827 on September 10, 2006, 05:39:12 PM: Sorry matched grip pala..
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: Bammbamm on September 10, 2006, 09:05:30 PM: The most natural way- Matched grip. :wink:
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: intake on September 10, 2006, 09:13:54 PM: depende naman yan sa player eh

OT - sir bammbamm, may alam po ba kayong music store sa guangzhou area?
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: Bammbamm on September 10, 2006, 09:29:41 PM: Quote from: intake
depende naman yan sa player eh

OT - sir bammbamm, may alam po ba kayong music store sa guangzhou area?

May TomLee din dun,pero di ko pa napuntahan.Malamang madami kasi may factory dun ang Tama.
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: intake on September 10, 2006, 09:45:03 PM: thanks sir :) mas mura ba pag dun ako bibili compared dito?
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: drumster on September 10, 2006, 09:56:46 PM: I use matched grip most of the time, though at times I also toy around with traditional grip.

Reasons why I utilize matched grip:

- I've been using matched grip since I first started, so I already got used to it and I'm very comfortable with it.
- Matched grip is a more natural choice. I've read in Modern Drummer that, with traditional grip, more hand muscles are used. Drummers who use traditional grip are more prone to hand pains and injuries. Matched grip uses less muscles, and is more natural. Ask a little kid to grab a stick, and he/she will hold it in a matched grip position.
- I always believe that one can get both power and finesse with matched grip. It's the best of both worlds.
- Personally, I like matched grip because it gives me a sense of symmetry, meaning, both hands use the same gripping position. I feel more balanced.
- I play and sound better with matched grip.

But I'm not against traditional grip. Whichever style of grip that works best for you and your music, use it! 8)
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: cs_mapper on September 11, 2006, 02:20:29 AM: mostly matched grip since i used to play in a rock band.

but when playing some bebop jazz or any of style music that doesn't require a bombastic left hand strokes mas loose yung feel kapag naka traditional grip. there are certain bounce technique that are much easier executed using the TG like that moeller techniqu if i'm no tmistaken.

still the nicest thing about match grip is you are well balanced in posture. TG tends to bring your left shoulder angled down some more.
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: legnacilyz on September 11, 2006, 08:44:02 AM: For me... I use Traditional grip.. share ko lng po ung pros and cons saken nitong grip..

Prons..
-the advantage of easy shifting from snare to your tom.. kasi most of the time, nung naka matched grip ako, sumasabit sa rim ng tom yung sticks ko.. ahhuhuhu.. now i've found a way to solve it!..
-when playing soft songs, mas relax ang left hand ko
-it allows me to execute fast strokes (1234)=(RLRL) in a fast manner. like 32nd? tama ba?
-easy execution of ghost notes..

COns..
-mejo mahirap matyempuhan ang proper rim shot
-pag gipit sa space ang drumset because of the venue, so compressed yung set up mo, sumasabit ang left hand ko sa hats while hitting tom.
-hindi madaling mag cross-stick..

ayun po.. share ko lang... but i use Matched Grip from time to time.. when loud playing is required.. I shifted to Traditional because of the reason na, im a loud player... napapagalitan ako sa school ensemble namen because of it... i found out that Traditional Grip allows me to control my volume easily.. from soft-medium-loud... pag very loud, Matched grip!

cheers!!!
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: jun_BALARAW on September 11, 2006, 10:33:23 AM: nakakabilib talaga si donati.. kasi traditional siya diba?? pero kung pumalo napaka lakas.. ewan ko lang kung meron pang ibang power drummer na traditional ang grip
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: peeves24 on September 11, 2006, 10:48:05 AM: Quote from: jun_BALARAW
ewan ko lang kung meron pang ibang power drummer na traditional ang grip

stewart copeland
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: Gep on September 11, 2006, 12:32:53 PM: Quote from: peeves24
Quote from: jun_BALARAW
ewan ko lang kung meron pang ibang power drummer na traditional ang grip

stewart copeland

Tama! Nadadale kamay nun e.
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: intake on September 11, 2006, 12:43:37 PM: "its an emotional decision" ika nga ni Dave Weckl
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: hanibanch on October 10, 2006, 05:06:42 PM: Quote from: jun_BALARAW
nakakabilib talaga si donati.. kasi traditional siya diba?? pero kung pumalo napaka lakas.. ewan ko lang kung meron pang ibang power drummer na traditional ang grip

tama.. si vinnie din traditional grip gamit.
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: drummerboy827 on October 10, 2006, 08:56:52 PM: I have a problem w/ my wrist tabingi ung bone, so its very uncomfortable to use traditional. Plus masmaraming pede gawin sa matched.
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: zound_tech on October 11, 2006, 08:36:15 AM: madali sakin mag trad kc kaliwete ako,
hehehe
8)

pero lam ko dapat sa weaker hand yun dba?

eh alanganamang mag trad ako sa kanan ko... :D
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: daninciong on October 11, 2006, 08:43:43 AM: ako,, im more on sa modern grip,, hehe d ko magetz ang trad eh,, kaya pa naman ung trad, kaya lang hirap ako sa control.. hehehe ;p
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: jun_BALARAW on October 11, 2006, 09:27:25 AM: Quote from: zound_tech
madali sakin mag trad kc kaliwete ako,
hehehe
8)

pero lam ko dapat sa weaker hand yun dba?

eh alanganamang mag trad ako sa kanan ko... :D

bro.. merong drummer na parehas kanan at kaliwang kamay eh traditional grip ang gamit.. nakakabilib nga eh... bihira lang yun
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: peeves24 on October 11, 2006, 09:44:34 AM: ^^^ billy cobham
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: jun_BALARAW on October 11, 2006, 09:52:41 AM: Quote from: peeves24
^^^ billy cobham

TAMA!
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: jcbska on October 11, 2006, 09:57:54 PM: for me i use both..

i use trad. grip for soft music.. and mas mabilis dina ng traditional grip sa mga single strokes.. hehe pero masarap din ang match grip thats why i use them both..
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: intake on October 11, 2006, 10:12:49 PM: bihira na lang ako mag trad. grip eh..since nagagawa ko na sa matched yung mga ginagawa ko sa trad. (like ghost notes etc.)
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: BiliBidboy on October 12, 2006, 09:04:48 AM: trad for me....IMHO, mas malagkit tunog ng nka trad..flowing lng...depende din sa drummer... :wink:
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: zound_tech on October 13, 2006, 02:26:01 PM: ano po ba mga pros and cons ng trad?
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: toybitz on October 13, 2006, 02:39:00 PM: Quote from: jun_BALARAW
Quote from: peeves24
^^^ billy cobham

TAMA!

donati pa.
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: drummer_boy17 on October 13, 2006, 09:03:02 PM: Guyz medyo hindi ako familiar sa mga terms na ito. Ano ba po yun Matched Grip and Traditional Grip?.. Explain niyo naman po.. Tnx.. :D
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: marko21 on October 13, 2006, 09:58:51 PM: ^matched grip yung parehong kamay nakaface down, yung trad grip naman eh yung parang nakaface up yung kamay mo sa left at naka facedown sa right. basta yun yon. :lol:

@topic
pede ba mag rimshot kapag naka trad grip? :shock:
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: zound_tech on October 13, 2006, 10:58:39 PM: Quote from: drummer_boy17
Guyz medyo hindi ako familiar sa mga terms na ito. Ano ba po yun Matched Grip and Traditional Grip?.. Explain niyo naman po.. Tnx.. :D

ung matched grip po parehas ung hawak sa stick, ung traditional grip ung ginagamit sa mga drum and lyre,
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: legnacilyz on October 14, 2006, 07:57:38 AM: Quote from: marko21
^matched grip yung parehong kamay nakaface down, yung trad grip naman eh yung parang nakaface up yung kamay mo sa left at naka facedown sa right. basta yun yon. :lol:

@topic
pede ba mag rimshot kapag naka trad grip? :shock:

pwede naman... sa akin, nahihirapan lang akong matyempuhan... sometimes para mapadali rim shot ko, ang pag hawak ko sa stick sa left(the one that uses trad grip) is like what Steve Gadd does.. likod na likod na hawak niya sa stick.. for power naren..

cheers!!
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: drummer_boy17 on October 14, 2006, 08:16:34 PM: Quote from: marko21
^matched grip yung parehong kamay nakaface down, yung trad grip naman eh yung parang nakaface up yung kamay mo sa left at naka facedown sa right. basta yun yon. :lol:

@topic
pede ba mag rimshot kapag naka trad grip? :shock:

ah ok.. tnx :) nakita ko rin yan sa drum machine kaya na gets ko rin.. hehehe
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: xalanx on October 15, 2006, 03:52:22 PM: Mas comfprtable ako sa matched grip ever since I got interest in drumming pero i used traditional grip sa ghost notes pero matched grip pa rin ang lagi kong ginagawa......
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: Gep on October 17, 2006, 11:59:31 AM: Ang weird, sumasakit kasi ang daliri ko sa trad e, kaya nag-matched na ako lagi.
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: palolo_worm on October 19, 2006, 11:46:49 AM: trad!!! haha.

noon nagumpisa ako matched grip tinuro, then a few years i saw joey valenciano (majam) played with traditional grip. naakaamaze talaga, kasi wala pa akong alam noon. haha. and he makes drumming look so easy and fun. kaya i tried to use it. after a few months (yup months) of blisters and muscle pain on my left hand, nahuli ko na din. haha. ngayon, i rarely use matched grip na. haha, tinakwil ba?

one thing i want from traditional grip is the asymmetric feeling i get sometimes. :D
Title: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: Bammbamm on October 19, 2006, 08:02:24 PM: Im an Ambidextrous drummer kaya Matched grip works best for me. :wink:
Title: Re: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: jun_BALARAW on October 22, 2006, 10:48:48 PM: sa panahon ngayon.. mas marami talaga ang matched grip kesa sa trad.. kaya nga siya tinawag na modern grip diba?
Title: Re: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: johanncalabig on October 23, 2006, 06:39:27 AM: Simple, Kung san ka sanay... at kung san ka komportable. As long as tama ang rebound mo. :)
Title: leftie drummer, developing speed + more tips...
Post by: maya_arevalo on November 09, 2006, 08:26:38 PM: sir bago lang ako dito... uhmm...msasabi ko sa sarili ko na mrami pa akong d alam sa drums...mga 4 yrs na ako ngddrums... pero parang wala lang ako..ksi kaliwete ak pero sinanay ko sarili ko sa right hand na set up ng drums...tpos d ako ngdrum lesson o kht anu...self study lang...aral gnun...basa...ngpower drumming din ako nung nkakita ako ng vergel donati power drumming lessons...sinabayan ko tpos nrealize ko ambagal pa ng paa ko at right hand ko...mga kapwa drummers anu ba pwede ko gwin? anu pa ba mga paraan para mas lumupet ako? mga sir minsan feeling ko ampaw pa ako na drummer which is maling isipin...ok naman ako mgdrums nanalo din kmi sa mga bttle of the bands at nkukuha sa mga gigs pero nkikita ko yung mga kakulangan ko pa...sana mga idol mtulungan nyo ako wait ko mga advice nyo... saka sana mkpaglagay ako avatar ko...heehehehee
peace mga tol!!! :mrgreen:

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Title: Re: pls help me mga idol
Post by: drumachine on November 09, 2006, 08:35:53 PM: 'tol? r u a gurl? if yes,, you rock!!! pareho taung kaliwete pero right handed set up... ung ndi naka cross ung arms while hitting the snare and hats>>ryt? but this forum helped me alot... techniques,gears,tutorial videos, and advices sa mga kuya natin d2, cla kuya pmack,kuya jun, kuya gep, kuya panterica at lahat nang memvers d2! kumpleto na d2!
Title: Re: pls help me mga idol
Post by: drumachine on November 09, 2006, 08:41:19 PM: c kuya peeves p pla and kuya drumster!!! sori mga kuya!!! enge ako ahead!!! jowk
Title: Re: pls help me mga idol
Post by: intake on November 09, 2006, 08:53:12 PM: watch drum vids
kuha ka ng inspiation :wink:
and ang pinakamahalaga...PRACTICE :-D
Title: Re: pls help me mga idol
Post by: pmack on November 09, 2006, 09:19:24 PM: tama ka intake.
ako pag medyo tinatamad magpraktis nanonood ako ng drum vids, nakaka-inspire magpractice!

that's the most important thing, practice ka lang lagi.
para hindi mangalawang. ako 1 year ako tumigil pumalo nung year 2000. a couple of years din bago ako na-satisfy ulit sa tunog ko.

praktis lang ng praktis. and kung kaliwete ka, try mo mag open hand. ang dami dito right handed drummers na gusto mag open hand. ikaw may advantage ka na dun kasi pag open hand mas malalaro mo yung drumset.

:-D
Title: Re: pls help me mga idol
Post by: drumachine on November 09, 2006, 09:54:50 PM: open hand pala ung term!!! hehe. ganun ako eh.. :-P
Title: Re: pls help me mga idol
Post by: maya_arevalo on November 09, 2006, 10:12:12 PM: mga sir salamat ha..nwawalan na ksi ako ng pag asa e..parang ang bagal ko... sir anu yung open hand? sir kaliwete ako pero nagddrums ako ng parang karaniwang drummer lang... nkacross parin arms ko... sa tingin ko ang bagal ng right hand ko at paa ko... ksi d ko mlaro yung hi hat msyado e... nsanay narin ksi ako sa ganun e...pero parang ayaw na bumilis ng kamay ko... salamat ha...kulang ako sa mga videos na pwde practisin e... vergel donati lang meron ako... bka may alam kayo pwde ko mging basis to practice na video... nga pla im MAYA pero lalaki ako...d ako girl... maya lang tlga name ko... yun.... mga kuya salamat... sana mging singgaling nyo ako...
Title: Re: pls help me mga idol
Post by: pmack on November 10, 2006, 08:23:07 AM: ang open hand ay ang pagpalo sa drums ng naka "open" yung arms mo. bali, left hand mo sa hi-hat tapos right hand mo sa snare. baliktad sa karaniwan. ayos yan, kasi may advantage ka na kasi kaliwete ka. may mga kakilala akong drummers na tagal nang pumapalo kaso gusto mag-open hand, ang hirap nun. swerte mo, kaliwete ka. tingin ko mas mabuti kung open hand ka. kasi mas malakas ang kaliwang kamay at braso mo eh. mas malalaro mo yung hi-hat. and mas mapapatunog mo yung drumset mo.

kaya mo yan. wag ka mawalan ng pag-asa. nakakapang-hinayang kung titigil ka. kung gusto mo talaga at kung may konting budget, hanap ka ng drum teacher. kahit sa yamaha muna, ok yun. para may mag-guide sayo sa progress mo.

wag ka masiraan ng loob. easy lang yan sayo.
Title: Re: pls help me mga idol
Post by: peeves24 on November 10, 2006, 08:23:56 AM: maya punta ka sa mga EB (pag meron) para mainspire ka :-D
Title: Re: pls help me mga idol
Post by: panterica on November 10, 2006, 10:37:42 AM: focus on your slower hand, which is your right hand, para maging balanced sila ng left hand mo.
Title: Re: pls help me mga idol
Post by: Gep on November 10, 2006, 10:42:10 AM: For better balance, ganito ang ginagawa ko.

LLR ng pabilis nang pabilis, LLR na consistent
RRL ng pabilis nang pabilis, RRL na consistent

Kailangan kung gaano kabilis yung LLR mo, ganun din kabilis ang RRL mo.

Tapos paradiddle na hehe.
Title: Re: pls help me mga idol
Post by: Bammbamm on November 10, 2006, 11:10:12 AM: YES! Ok yan. Tama si bro pmack. Kung kaliwete ka din lang naman,hwag mo na pahirapan na kumilos ng hindi natural sa iyo.In short, mag open hand ka na.At tutal kaya mo na din mag cross arm,magandang foundation yan para sa ambidextrous playing..Ibig kong sabihin,pag nag g-groove ka sa hihats,left hand ang gamitin mo,right hand sa snare.Tapos,pag mag r-ride ka,switch your right hand sa ride cymbal,left hand naman sa snare.Nakakalito 'to pero ganito ako mag drums.Mas ok na pag aralan ito, kesa mag aral ka ng "stick twirling" na masyado nang madaming nakakagawa.(In fact,kahit hindi drummer)Huwag ka maubusan ng pasensya.Keep yourself inspired!
Title: Re: pls help me mga idol
Post by: xalanx on November 10, 2006, 11:42:54 AM: tama sila pmack, intake, bammbamm and peeves...keep practicin :mrgreen:

yung virgil donati mo na video wag ka mahinaan ng loob kung dahil hindi mo nagagawa ang mga ginagawa ni donati.. of course c "VIRGIL DONATI" yun!! kilalang drummer na batikan at talagang mahusay..lahat naman ay dumadaan sa basic kahit na ako na almost 15 yrs. na ako pumapalo ay nahihirapan at di kayang gawin ang ibang mga ginagawa ng mga sikat at mahuhusay na drummer. it's about the "attitude" and "passion" kung paano ka magreresponse sa mga videos na pinapanood mo o mga drummers na idolo o pinapanood mo. it's true that it took much time to learn those things. keep "practicin" salamat at napunta ka dito sa forum ng mga astig na drummer. "Astig" it means di lang sa skills magaling ang mga nandito mababait and very professional na kausap. ako din ay maraming natutunan dito sa skills, techniques, drum gears, lessons astig talaga dito. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: pls help me mga idol
Post by: hanibanch on November 10, 2006, 12:25:56 PM: yep. right. wag ka ma-frustrate or malungkot kung di mo magawa ung ginagawa ni donati dun sa video. dahil bilang isang musikero may sari-sarili tayong "boses" sa instrumento natin. so dun ka mag-focus sa boses na gusto mong palabasin sa pagddrums mo. hehe. madami pang oras kaya practice lang tayo ng practice. hehe. go. :-D
Title: Re: pls help me mga idol
Post by: kibohead on November 10, 2006, 12:34:50 PM: practice paradidles... then once you've got it, try incorporating it with your hi-hat using your open or cross hand approach. The good thing about it is that you've realized that you have to work harder...kung ganyan lahat tayo, sigurado lahat tayo gagaling. Keep it up man! Godbless! :-D
Title: Re: leftie drummer, developing speed + more tips...
Post by: maya_arevalo on November 10, 2006, 08:12:41 PM: wow salamat sa inyo...nkakainspire na ult mgdrums... salamat sa lahat ng mga advice mga tol... at pag may EB pupunta ako... mga tol astig kayo!!!
ggawin ko ung mga inadvice nyo susubukan ko ung mga yun tol...
sa moderator sori po di pa ako marunong magtitle...binago nyo pa po tuloy... nabasa ko na po rules sa forum...hehehe bow ako sa inyo mga idol!!!
Title: Re: leftie drummer, developing speed + more tips...
Post by: jun_BALARAW on November 11, 2006, 01:17:48 AM: sa totoo lang. hirap na hirap ako nakawan ng licks ang mga left hand drummers.... ang hirap sundan eh. baliktad kasi.
Title: Re: leftie drummer, developing speed + more tips...
Post by: drumachine on November 14, 2006, 01:13:05 PM: tsaka madaling makagawa ng fills ung mga leftie. :wink:
bro sarap magopen hand! kc mabilis ung left mu kaya pede kang maglaro sa hats. kaso problem ko hirap aq mag ride kc kaliwete nga aq...
Title: Re: leftie drummer, developing speed + more tips...
Post by: maya_arevalo on November 14, 2006, 05:59:32 PM: bro natry ko mag open hand... ang hirap pumalo sa snare..kasi tol nasanay nga ako ng cross hand parin khit kliwete... hirap bro... haaay.... sna makaya ko para bumilis din kanan ko...ang bagal kasi e... baka may alam kyo techniques para po di ako malito sa open hand
Title: Re: leftie drummer, developing speed + more tips...
Post by: drumachine on November 14, 2006, 06:30:45 PM: praktice lang 'tol!!! minsan kc nagko-cross hand din aq para msanay ung ryt hand ko para sa ride. mga 2 weeks ok na... eh di gawin mung kaliwete ung setup mo??? d ko lang lam kung ok un??.
Title: Total stick control... how do u do it?
Post by: drummerboy827 on November 30, 2006, 08:55:38 PM: Mga tol, may mga nakikita akong drummer na they have full control of the stick:
- galing mag accent at maghina
- dinidiin nila ung stix nila pero mahina pa rin ang tunog

how do they do it?
Title: Re: Total stick control... how do u do it?
Post by: fredzs on November 30, 2006, 09:09:07 PM: watch Dave Weckl's Natural Evolution. :-)
Title: Re: Total stick control... how do u do it?
Post by: johanncalabig on December 08, 2006, 06:44:30 AM: Try to expose yourself and learn different styles of music too. Even though you think the music sucks, it will benefit you soon. Practice.
Title: Re: Total stick control... how do u do it?
Post by: drummer_boy17 on December 12, 2006, 05:52:25 PM: dapat masanay ka sa lahat ng music genre.. kasi bawat genre iba ang style of playing.. wag ka lang dumipende sa iisa..
Title: Re: Total stick control... how do u do it?
Post by: peeves24 on December 12, 2006, 10:05:27 PM: Quote from: drummerboy827 on November 30, 2006, 08:55:38 PM
Mga tol, may mga nakikita akong drummer na they have full control of the stick:
- galing mag accent at maghina
- dinidiin nila ung stix nila pero mahina pa rin ang tunog

how do they do it?

buzz roll...punta ka sa mini EB ngayong sabado...maraming magtuturo sa yo nun
Title: Re: Total stick control... how do u do it?
Post by: vincher on December 12, 2006, 11:42:08 PM: get the books stick control and accents and rebounds by george stone. or future sounds ni david garibaldi :D
Title: basic question on grip
Post by: blitzkrieg on January 11, 2007, 12:41:28 PM: a newbie question from an absolute newbie :|

when watching weckl's and igoe's lesson on grip, napansin ko na kay igoe, yung thumb nya medyo sideways and pallm down when he's doing the 4 and 16 demo excercises sa table. kay weckl naman, in-emphasize nya na dapat firm yung grip at dapat facing upward yung thumb to get more stick control.

my question is iba ba ang ideal grip sa hi-hat compared sa snare? what's the ideal grip? although parang mas maganda nga ang grip na tinuturo ni weckl, medyo kailangan talaga muna mag-build ng strength bago magawa.
Title: Re: basic question on grip
Post by: kert on January 12, 2007, 01:41:59 PM: a suggestion from a newbie too, d ba 2 kinds of grip meron ung traditional at matched ung sa matched para sa akin ay mag-imagine ka na may ibon as in bird sa kamay mo pag masyadong mahigpit ung hawak mo eh d deds ang ibon pag masyadong maluwag eh d makakalipad sa matched kc d ba ang fulcrum nun sa thumb at pointy finger kasi habang bumibilis ka ng palo d mo namamalayan nagagawa mo na ung thumb mo ay medyo sideways parang automatic na nangyayari un subukan panoorin ung kay jim chapin speed,power,endurance inexplain ung mga grip tungkol naman sa grip sa snare at hi-hat para sa akin i use both traditional grip.... d kya sinasabi mong palm down at sideways ung thumb ay moeller technique?? hope that helps :mrgreen:
Title: Re: basic question on grip
Post by: l_e_i_g_h on January 12, 2007, 05:42:35 PM: Naku...depende yan sayo...alin ba ang trip mo..at alin yung mas comporta-ble sayo. :-D

kung trip mo...pareho...eh di okay din! hehehe. :mrgreen:

Quote from: blitzkrieg on January 11, 2007, 12:41:28 PM

a newbie question from an absolute newbie :|

when watching weckl's and igoe's lesson on grip, napansin ko na kay igoe, yung thumb nya medyo sideways and pallm down when he's doing the 4 and 16 demo excercises sa table. kay weckl naman, in-emphasize nya na dapat firm yung grip at dapat facing upward yung thumb to get more stick control.

my question is iba ba ang ideal grip sa hi-hat compared sa snare? what's the ideal grip? although parang mas maganda nga ang grip na tinuturo ni weckl, medyo kailangan talaga muna mag-build ng strength bago magawa.
Title: Re: basic question on grip
Post by: pyong_2 on January 18, 2007, 11:41:41 PM: ako hanggang ngayon dinidiskubre ko pa rin yan kasi napakaraming grip talaga meron ngang iba magkaiba yung grip sa kaliwat kanan....for example open handed tapos yung kaliwa naman palm down yung iba naman baliktad....so siguro saan ka magiging komportable hehehehe....GodBless
Title: Re: basic question on grip
Post by: legnacilyz on January 19, 2007, 12:13:38 PM: i play trad grip but i switch to Matched too paminsan minsan.. can anybody give me some exercises on trad grip? gusto ko kasing mamaximize gamit ko dun eh.. thanks!!!

cheers!!!
Title: Re: basic question on grip
Post by: Miggleness on January 20, 2007, 12:00:48 AM: i think the question was about the french (taas yung finger), german (palm down), and american ( in-between) grip ng matched grip.

parang pinaka-ok yung french grip for control para sa akin, kaso ang sakit sa thumb. nanggigil ata ako. madami kuno nagrerecommend ng french sa pag-play ng ride
Title: Re: basic question on grip
Post by: dictatone on January 20, 2007, 12:09:52 AM: palm down my friend, bec you dont want to hurt yourself like the drummer of CHICAGO. but iba na usapan kpag nag "swing kna sa ride" kasefinger control na un. look and jazz artist kpag nag swiswing sila sa ride nila.

i think palm down is the most appropriate, why? eto experiiment- itaas mo kamay mo parang nka panatang makabayan. 2) relax and let the gravity pull down your palm. kung pano siya bumagsak, that same motion dapat i-apply mo sa drums kase thats how our wrist works. kung iibahin mo motion(natural na kilos) niyan u might hurt yourself. ENJOY!!!
Title: Re: basic question on grip
Post by: toybitz on January 20, 2007, 12:15:10 AM: my suggestion is to try practicing single or double strokes.

whichever makes you feel comfortable, relax and efficient..then stick to it.

in other words, study what grip works best for you.
Title: Re: basic question on grip
Post by: Bammbamm on January 20, 2007, 12:22:16 AM: Quote from: pyong_2 on January 18, 2007, 11:41:41 PM
ako hanggang ngayon dinidiskubre ko pa rin yan kasi napakaraming grip talaga meron ngang iba magkaiba yung grip sa kaliwat kanan....for example open handed tapos yung kaliwa naman palm down yung iba naman baliktad....so siguro saan ka magiging komportable hehehehe....GodBless

Correct!

Walang rules dyan! Si Tony Williams nga yung pinkie at ring fingers ang gamit nyang grip e.Si Carmine Appice naman sa gitna,parang naka dirty finger! :-D

Hanap ka ng Video ni Steve Smith, kung me 2.5 to 3K ka magkakaroon ka ng original copy :-D
PM mo ko...ano?
Title: Re: basic question on grip
Post by: daemonite on January 20, 2007, 12:25:16 AM: It's all about how you are comfortable with the stick. Bahala ka na dun, if you think you can play great with the traditional grip, fine. pero most common na ang matched grip players sa atin. I can play trad grip but not for long. di pa ako sanay eh. mas fully function ang arms ko sa matched grip. fluid talaga sya para sa akin
Title: Re: basic question on grip
Post by: legnacilyz on January 20, 2007, 02:37:16 AM: sorry for slight OT on my question about exercise for Trad Grip.. I missed reading blitskreig's question on igoe and weckkl's grip is about their right hand.. peace! And tama si sir daemonite, It's all about how you are comfortable with the stick!

cheers!!!
Title: Re: basic question on grip
Post by: Gep on January 26, 2007, 11:01:02 AM: Quote from: dictatone on January 20, 2007, 12:09:52 AM
palm down my friend, bec you dont want to hurt yourself like the drummer of CHICAGO. but iba na usapan kpag nag "swing kna sa ride" kasefinger control na un. look and jazz artist kpag nag swiswing sila sa ride nila.

i think palm down is the most appropriate, why? eto experiiment- itaas mo kamay mo parang nka panatang makabayan. 2) relax and let the gravity pull down your palm. kung pano siya bumagsak, that same motion dapat i-apply mo sa drums kase thats how our wrist works. kung iibahin mo motion(natural na kilos) niyan u might hurt yourself. ENJOY!!!

Yup, sa matched grip dapat kaalinsabay sa natural movement ng wrist.
Pero yung ibang drummers na power players at sa arm ang main movement, nakalock ang wrist nila kaya sideways pa rin.
Title: Re: Traditional Grip or Matched Grip?
Post by: intake on January 26, 2007, 08:20:51 PM: Quote from: marko21 on October 13, 2006, 09:58:51 PM

@topic
pede ba mag rimshot kapag naka trad grip? :shock:

yup pwede :-D pero kailangan mo taasan yung height nung snare..
diba karaniwan yung height nung snare kapantay nung hip?
tinataasan ko ng konti dahil mahirap talaga mag rimshot pag ganun kababa (sakin ha :-) )
dati kasi nakatabingi nako pag tumutugtog dahil sa trad grip..naghahanap ako ng rimshot :lol:
sabi nga ng teacher ko "wag ka mag papauto sa drums mo, sayo yun eh! i-adjust mo"

hehehe :-)

nga pala..pag naka trad ako..may konting circular motion yung wrist ko...dahil pag diretso ang palo ko...hihilihin ko pa yung stick pataas, unlike kung paikot diba? :-)

@bammbamm - anong grip gamit ni carmine appice? para din akong naka dirty finger paga naka trad eh hahaha!

dun sa paggamit ko ng grip, depende yun sa tutugtugin ko..trad pag mahina at kung gusto ko pino yung palo ko sa snare, matched pag maingay na yung tugtugan :-) matched din ako pag gusto ko na medyo malakas yung ghost notes...German din ang gamit ko (wrist facing down), dun kasi ako sanay eh! :lol:
Title: Re: the grip technique thread
Post by: pyong_2 on January 27, 2007, 01:05:52 AM: billy cobham ...anong grip ang gamit french ba?
Title: Re: the grip technique thread
Post by: blitzkrieg on January 27, 2007, 01:40:04 PM: let me thank all the drum gurus who provided this enlightenment 8-)

so there's no ideal grip pala, as long as its safe and it wont cause long term injury, pwedeng praktisin.

personally, i go for french, i've been practicing weckl's technique for at least 5 mins a day lang. after three weeks, i gained more stick control when doing fills.

OT, just one quick question: ano ba yung drum lick? or is there such a technique? i want to try it sana the way i understand it pero parang nakakahiya, baka pagtawanan ako. hehehe.
Title: Re: the grip technique thread
Post by: drumster on January 27, 2007, 03:18:59 PM: Quote from: blitzkrieg on January 27, 2007, 01:40:04 PM
let me thank all the drum gurus who provided this enlightenment 8-)

OT, just one quick question: ano ba yung drum lick? or is there such a technique? i want to try it sana the way i understand it pero parang nakakahiya, baka pagtawanan ako. hehehe.

Lick... It's a term used by musicians, and these refer to musical phrases, patterns or a series of notes which make up a great musical part. Hence, we talk, share and learn about drum licks, guitar licks, bass licks, etc.

For example, if we use it in a conversation... Jeff Porcaro's Rosanna shuffle groove, John Bonham's drum intro on Rock & Roll, Neil Peart's killer fill-ins on Tom Sawyer... These are great drum licks!

A more detailed definition of lick --- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lick_%28music%29 .
Title: How can I have a faster left hand without resorting to kung fu?
Post by: Gep on March 14, 2007, 09:53:27 AM: Ang bagal ng kamay ko kumpara sa right hand at right foot ko.
Pag sinusubukan ko mag-blast beat, nahuhuli ang left hand ko after 8 strokes.

Ano ba ang magandang exercise para bumilis ang left hand ko?

Kasi maliban sa single stroke at double strokes (na pinagtutuunan ko ng pansin ngayon), ginagawa ko yung LLR ng paulit-ulit.

Any suggestions?
Title: Re: How can I have a faster left hand without resorting to kung fu?
Post by: jpmb on March 14, 2007, 10:12:09 AM: heeeeya gep..how are you....... :wink:

well the thing you are experiencing is normal, this happens to a lot of drummers..that includes me...

i aint no drum wizard and i know i have my own weak points too, just like any other drummers do..to help you more with your question, the name of the game now is how you eliminate those weak points...

the LLR you've mentioned is a nice excercise...just keep on practicin that and i suggest make it reserve sometimes make it RLL...try to play open handed too..make your left hand as your main arm..its was Dom Famularo who strongly influenced me with that...well its hard at first but its all worth it..haha..

practice makes perfect man, keep on doin that and always stay motivated..cheers :wink:
Title: Re: How can I have a faster left hand without resorting to kung fu?
Post by: peeves24 on March 14, 2007, 10:15:12 AM: be patient grasshopper...

kung fu is the only way

heeeeyaaa!
Title: Re: How can I have a faster left hand without resorting to kung fu?
Post by: prjm14 on March 14, 2007, 10:28:28 AM: Quote from: peeves24 on March 14, 2007, 10:15:12 AM
be patient grasshopper...

kung fu is the only way

heeeeyaaa!

haha..

sabi sakin ng prof ko dapat everytime na magpapractice ka ng sticking doble dapat sa left hand..

parang:
RRRR LLLL LLLL
RRR LLL LLL

parang ganyan.. heheh
tsaka constant practice talaga.. it works! :-)
Title: Re: How can I have a faster left hand without resorting to kung fu?
Post by: Kin on March 14, 2007, 10:45:22 AM: I think na very normal lang na weak ang left hand mo if you're born right handed (weak right-hand for those left handed) for obvious reasons, since you we're little, right hand ang lagi mong gamit so naiwan sa development ang left hand mo. I don't recall where I read this but when Carter Beauford was starting he said that in order for his left hand to keep up with his right hand, he utilizes his left hand what his right hand usually does. Pag-kumakain siya nasa left hand niya ang spoon, the remote is always on his left hand, etc.
But nothing still beats good old practice. Tuloy lang ang practice. What goes with your right hand also goes with your left.
Title: Re: How can I have a faster left hand without resorting to kung fu?
Post by: peeves24 on March 14, 2007, 10:53:46 AM: (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/177/420663767_31ca068852_o.jpg)

i will make your kung-fu strong!
Title: Re: How can I have a faster left hand without resorting to kung fu?
Post by: phfreq on March 14, 2007, 02:59:20 PM: nakita ko dun sa stick control na book ung mga permutations na mas maraming L hand ang ginagamit.

combination ng eight notes and triplets (meron din yung combination ng eight notes LLLR and 4 stroke rollsna puro L lang

eight notes then triplets then eight notes then triplets

LLLR LLR LLLR LLR

yung johnny rabb exercise na pwedeng i-tailor sa Left hand

LRLR LLLL LLLL LLLL RLRL RRRR RRRR RRRR

gawing LRLR LLLL LLLL LLLL LLLL RLRL RRRR RRRR -- basically dagdagan lang ung groups of 4 Ls
Title: Re: How can I have a faster left hand without resorting to kung fu?
Post by: Chopstix on March 14, 2007, 03:18:51 PM: gamitin mo lagi yung kaliwang kamay mo na usually ginagawa ng kanan. eto mga ilan sa pwede mong gawin.

1. sa pagbubukas ng pinto
2. yang mouse mo sa pc, ilipat mo sa kaliwa
3. pagnaghuhugas ka ng pinggan, yung kaliwa na ang ipang kuskos mo
4. kung nagyoyosi ka, kaliwang kamay na lagi mo gamitin pangsindi ng lighter at paghawak
5. kung nagaabaniko ka, kaliwa na rin
6. kung mahilig kang uminom, kaliwa ang ipangtagay mo at pang inom mo.
7. ilipat mo na rin wallet mo sa kaliwang bulsa sa likod para lagi kaliwa ang dumudukot
8. kaliwang kamay ang ipangkamot mo sa ano mang makati sa parte ng katawan mo (except syempre yung kaliwang siko mo)
9. etc etc.

idagdag mo to sa mga ginagawa mong exercise ngayon and sigurado makakatulong to.
Title: Re: How can I have a faster left hand without resorting to kung fu?
Post by: Gep on March 14, 2007, 03:20:48 PM: Ginagawa ko na nga one hand push up sa left hand e. Hahaha. Joke!
Title: Re: How can I have a faster left hand without resorting to kung fu?
Post by: jpmb on March 14, 2007, 04:02:30 PM: ayan gep..lots of replies na para sa yo...hehehe...start na ng left hand practice mo :mrgreen:...cheers man
Title: Re: How can I have a faster left hand without resorting to kung fu?
Post by: Diadem on March 14, 2007, 05:04:00 PM: ganito yan GEP...

may KAMA ka dba?

May lotion ka din dba?

jack away.. grasshopper... not too fast masusunog yan bro.. hehehhe
Title: Re: How can I have a faster left hand without resorting to kung fu?
Post by: daemonite on March 14, 2007, 06:57:25 PM: si neil peart ata yung nagsabi na he brushes his teeth with his left hand para mag-improve ang strokes nya sa left.... :lol:
Title: Re: How can I have a faster left hand without resorting to kung fu?
Post by: Bammbamm on March 15, 2007, 12:40:11 AM: Di ka nag iisa jan, bro... problema ko din yang left hand lalo na sa ghost notes sa snare :-P

practice nlang talaga siguro......at saka Kung Fu?!? :lol:
Title: Re: How can I have a faster left hand without resorting to kung fu?
Post by: Gep on March 15, 2007, 11:06:03 AM: Quote from: Bammbamm on March 15, 2007, 12:40:11 AM
Di ka nag iisa jan, bro... problema ko din yang left hand lalo na sa ghost notes sa snare :-P

practice nlang talaga siguro......at saka Kung Fu?!? :lol:

Kayo nga tong nasa China e! Hahaha.

At jacking off? Nako... mawawala ang feel don kasi pabilis ng pabilis yon.
Title: Re: How can I have a faster left hand without resorting to kung fu?
Post by: mampupunit on March 15, 2007, 11:57:19 AM: hahah ako parehas kamay mabagal! wala na ba kong pag asa kundi kung fu na?
Title: Re: How can I have a faster left hand without resorting to kung fu?
Post by: palolo_worm on March 15, 2007, 12:31:31 PM: hmm. by kung fu meaning? :-) kasi may nabasa akong article na another way of looking at the moeller technique is on a kung fu way. un ba un? anyway,

ako left handed. haha. pero mabagal parin left ko kasi nung tinuruan ako magdrums right hand lead parin. try mo ung books like newbreed, which tends to focus on all limbs. tama rin ung kay sir jp, open hand. at tulad ng sabi ng marami, practice. :-)
Title: Re: How can I have a faster left hand without resorting to kung fu?
Post by: jpmb on March 20, 2007, 10:25:13 AM: hows the left hand doin na gep?hehehe

i remember jason bittner of shadows fall during the modern drummer 2005 festival, he has a ride and hi-hat on both left and right side, lahat ng ginagawa nya say kana ginagawa nya din sa kaliwa...thats a good excercise to strengthen the left hand :wink:..dont forget patience and practice of course hehehe
Title: Re: How can I have a faster left hand without resorting to kung fu?
Post by: toybitz on March 20, 2007, 04:32:49 PM: whatever you use to do with your right hand...use your left instead. like carrying your bag, brushing your teeth, cleaning you car...

also...practice singles with your left hand alone while watching TV.
Title: Re: How can I have a faster left hand without resorting to kung fu?
Post by: daemonite on March 20, 2007, 08:31:09 PM: Wax in, Wax out!

Lapit na ipalabas movie ko nyahaha! March 28! TMNT rules!!!
Title: Hand technique?
Post by: drumstage2 on June 22, 2007, 08:24:44 PM: hello,pano po mapabilis ung kamay pag nagdrudrums? lalo na po ung single strokes na 32nd note na cya and even single parradiddle :-o i saw a lot of people like vic mercado and mar dizon do those stuffs ang bilis talaga :-o
Title: Re: Hand technique?
Post by: glynminded on June 22, 2007, 09:09:12 PM: practice on pillows and use heavy sticks... for a good long time... after that try practicing on practice pads... works like magic... ehehehehe...
Title: Re: Hand technique?
Post by: drumster on June 22, 2007, 09:14:16 PM: There are no shortcuts, and there are no substitutes to persistent practice.

Just like most drumming techniques, it's always advisable to start slowly, then gradually increase your speed as you progress. Using a metronome is very helpful too.

You can also check out these hand-related topics:

all about RUDIMENTS thread
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,23797.0.html

Moeller technique thread
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,50024.0.html

how can I have a faster left hand without resorting to Kung Fu?
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,40444.0.html

double strokes
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,23080.0.html
Title: Re: Hand technique?
Post by: drumstage2 on June 22, 2007, 09:17:12 PM: thanks sa lahat :-D
Title: my hands!!!!
Post by: makLoy on September 28, 2007, 05:18:38 PM: .. may probLema po ako, about sa paLo ko, maLimit po akong mabaLian ng stick, kung minsan pa nga po nabubutas ko drumhead ng snare. Last practice po nabaLi po stick ko, tapos Last year naman po nabutas ko yung daLawa kong drumhead, remo pa naman sana yun :-(.. sa pagpaLo ko po ng snare paLaging nababaLi stick ko... destroyer nga at brutaL tawag sakin ng mga kakiLaLa ko.. ano po ba gagawin ko? di ko rin naman po kasi naco-controL paLo ko LaLo na po pag napapasarap na tugtugan.... tuLong po!!!! :cry:
Title: Re: my hands!!!!
Post by: autoexec on September 28, 2007, 05:46:14 PM: Quote from: makLoy on September 28, 2007, 05:18:38 PM
di ko rin naman po kasi naco-controL paLo ko LaLo na po pag napapasarap na tugtugan.... tuLong po!!!! :cry:
Pag-aralan mo kontrolin bro, hindi dapat laging naka turn on ang adrenaline. :-)
Title: Re: my hands!!!!
Post by: marko21 on September 28, 2007, 05:47:06 PM: oo tama sya. mas maganda ang palo pag kontrolado mo :-)

relax lang :-D
Title: Re: my hands!!!!
Post by: cavsdieagram on September 28, 2007, 05:52:51 PM: ok lang ang malakas na palo...
pero see to it na apply mo ung tamang hand technique... :lol:
CHEERS man!!!
Title: Re: my hands!!!!
Post by: daemonite on September 28, 2007, 06:42:34 PM: Proper hand technique and power kelangan mo matutunan dude, Or kung sa tingin mo tama na ang hand technique mo, maybe you should increase your stick gauge, prob ko rin mabalian ng stick dati kasi 7a ang gamit ko dahil magaan and maiksi, pero napansin ko madalas ako mabalian, itinaas ko sa 5a, so far, hindi pa nababali yung isang pares ko ng lazer sticks. maybe you should shift to the b gauge. pero kawawa head mo, kung heads ang nabubutas mo, check mo kung masyado tight pagkakatono, dapat kasi sa toms parang past the wrinkle point lang eh.

eto ang tip.... from Dave Weckl's back to basics video...
Title: Re: my hands!!!!
Post by: Diadem on September 28, 2007, 07:33:41 PM: Quote from: autoexec on September 28, 2007, 05:46:14 PM
Pag-aralan mo kontrolin bro, hindi dapat laging naka turn on ang adrenaline. :-)

pano i off yung adrenaline? :D

_________________________________________________________________

tsong baka naman patusok yang palo mo?

sa snare dapat parallel ang legs mo sa snare, reference mo ang legs mo sa kamay...
Title: Re: my hands!!!!
Post by: iyhan on September 28, 2007, 07:57:56 PM: tama c daemonite..

try to use 5a bka ok na un sa palo mo..
Title: Re: my hands!!!!
Post by: jun_BALARAW on September 28, 2007, 10:40:40 PM: matututunan mo din yan. merong malakas palo ng hindi nakaka sira ng drumhead o ng cymbals. sa pag control lang yan. darating din yan.
Title: Re: my hands!!!!
Post by: karmi on September 28, 2007, 11:31:35 PM: sa grip mo..iloosen mo ng bahagya.try mong iwrist.enjoy drumming. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: my hands!!!!
Post by: nO RLY on September 28, 2007, 11:54:44 PM: mas nagaganahan ka talaga tumugtog kapag may kasama ka. try practicing control and precision on your own. tapos kung na cocontrol mo na palo mo, controlled na yung sound and force. :-)
Title: Re: my hands!!!!
Post by: autoexec on September 29, 2007, 12:43:25 AM: Quote from: jun_BALARAW on September 28, 2007, 10:40:40 PM
matututunan mo din yan. merong malakas palo ng hindi nakaka sira ng drumhead o ng cymbals. sa pag control lang yan. darating din yan.
+1!

Quote from: Diadem on September 28, 2007, 07:33:41 PM
pano i off yung adrenaline? :D
Ewan ko, sa akin kasi ang tanong eh pano i on eh, bihira lang umandar ang adrenaline ko.. :D
Title: Re: my hands!!!!
Post by: blackhawk7a on September 29, 2007, 09:27:57 AM: haha,problema ko din yan dati,ganu ka na ba katagal ng drudrums?kasi ako gigil sobra,ngaun natutunan ko na mag kontrol,un bang gigil ka pero kamay mo relax...un ang pinraktis ko,aun matagal na ako mabalian ng sticks...hehe,praktis lng yan bro...!
Title: Re: my hands!!!!
Post by: MEGaKewl on September 29, 2007, 09:32:40 AM: meron mga drummer na hindi nag ri rim shot sa SNARE kaya tendency nila mag malakas na palo lang. Siguro naman nag re rim shot ka sa snare and kung di naman try rim shots para solid ang tunog ng snare mo kahit mahina lang. :-)
Title: Re: my hands!!!!
Post by: Bammbamm on September 29, 2007, 10:50:25 AM: You have technique problem, itsdefinitely not your gear.

If you want bigger sound, learn the appropriate tuning and use the right size of stick. You dont hit harder to make the sound louder.

Master your rudiments at different dynamics, it will improve your control and hand technique faster.

If you always practice on pillow, its not impossible why you always break sticks & drumheads. Practice on your drums or pads. :-)
Title: Re: my hands!!!!
Post by: gobernor on September 29, 2007, 11:01:59 AM: try mo mag review ulet ng rudiments. tama un mga naunang bossings na nagreply... possible review ng hand techniques na ginagamit mo when playing.

ako din kasi naging issues ko yan. ngayon meron pang konti na im trying to work on. diko lang maalis talaga mang gigil - lalo nat pag masaya ang tugtugan.

tip: try to use/practice the rudiments along with your warm up exercises.pampa-relax ng "pitik".
:-D
Title: Re: my hands!!!!
Post by: stiknstone on September 29, 2007, 12:07:33 PM: Sir try mo mag air drumming..aus un!..ehehe!..peace out! :-D
Title: Re: my hands!!!!
Post by: makLoy on September 29, 2007, 07:56:11 PM: saLamat po sa mga tips nyo :-) sir diadem, hindi naman po patusok paLo ko 8-)..
medyo nangigigiL nga Lang ako kasi death metaL madaLas kong tugtugin.. anyways, saLamat sa tips and expLanations nyong Lahat.. :-)
Title: Re: my hands!!!!
Post by: feed_back on September 29, 2007, 08:43:27 PM: hmmmm suggestion ko pag aralan mong pumitik gamit ang stick ...parang nag lalatigo ... hayaan mong mag resonate yung skin ... panoorin mo yung training ni ippo ( boxing cartoons ) ... hehehe sana makatulong
Title: Re: my hands!!!!
Post by: Diadem on September 30, 2007, 11:55:30 AM: Quote from: makLoy on September 29, 2007, 07:56:11 PM
saLamat po sa mga tips nyo :-) sir diadem, hindi naman po patusok paLo ko 8-)..
medyo nangigigiL nga Lang ako kasi death metaL madaLas kong tugtugin.. anyways, saLamat sa tips and expLanations nyong Lahat.. :-)

ah good to hear... one time kasi may nakita akong drummer.. deadly siya... haha patusok talaga.. punit lhat ang skins hahaha
Title: Re: my hands!!!!
Post by: daemonite on September 30, 2007, 02:16:41 PM: hmmm, try mo rin magpractice sa soles ng shoes mo kung ala ka practice pads lalo na kung naka-chucks ka. kawawa ka rin naman kung nanggigigil ka parati sa drums. kaw rin mapapagod. kapag tumugtog ka na ng 10 songs or more, wasted ka na pagkatapos ng gig.... learn how to conserve energy without sacrificing your groove....
Title: Re: my hands!!!!
Post by: jefisipbata on October 01, 2007, 04:34:44 PM: ganyan ako dati, nakabutas ako ng 2 remo 2-ply skin, nakapunit ng isang zildjian crash tsaka isang b8 (kala ko porke makapal, nde ko na mapupunit, mali pala.hehehe.), tsaka nakaputol ng madaming sticks, partida hindi metal tugtog ko, sa church lang :-D, stay relaxed bro, develop mo wrists mo, tska fingers, wag puro braso...

punta ka din sa tigerbill.com, dami tips dun.
Title: Re: my hands!!!!
Post by: never_1007 on October 01, 2007, 10:59:19 PM: uu nga tama po sila.. learn to control your emotion.. although meron talagang part na kaylangan mong ilakas ung palo at meron din kaylangan hinaan.. dynamic po pre.. kahit di mo lakasan basta nakuha mu ung tunog na gusto mo oks na un.. kasi baka masapawan mo din ung mga kabanda mu.. lalabas na background mu lang sila.. disiplina lang un bossing.. yan din kasi prob ko naun eh.. ung pag control ng emotion.. hehehe.. sarap kasi eh..
Title: Re: my hands!!!!
Post by: BirjandBOGGS on October 08, 2007, 09:36:06 AM: bro kung tama yung natatandaan ko sabi ni steve smith dapat pag tama ng stick mo sa drums dapat hinahayaan mo mag resonate kung baga wag mo sobra ibbabaon ang stick lalo na kung rimshot ang palo mo pag snare.... Dont beat the drums, make love to it! :wink:
Title: Re: Grip Technique thread
Post by: phfreq on October 08, 2007, 10:35:57 AM: matched grip talaga ako pero sinusubukan ko pong mag-practice ng trad grip ngayon kasi gusto ko malaman kung mas magugustuhan ko ung feel...

eto po ung experience ko..

- mas maraming daliri sa left hand (right handed po ako) ung parang napapagod kaysa nung naka matched grip ako..
- nagagawa ko naman ung mga dati kong nagagawa nung matched grip pa, minsan lang may flams dun sa parts na hindi dapat flam ... dahil hindi pa siguro sanay masyado ung left hand
- mas sumasakit ang balikat ko sa trad compared nung naka matched grip ako

parang ang hirap mag-open handed playing kapag naka trad -- unless siguro ipantay ang hats dun sa snare...

papanuorin ko siguro ung bagong jojo mayer na dvd and baka may matutunan ako don for the trad.. otherwise, babalik ako sa matched :-)... at least malaman ko lang na ano ung effect ng trad sa akin..
Title: Re: my hands!!!!
Post by: jeff_proX40 on October 09, 2007, 06:52:11 AM: Quote from: feed_back on September 29, 2007, 08:43:27 PM
hmmmm suggestion ko pag aralan mong pumitik gamit ang stick ...parang nag lalatigo ... hayaan mong mag resonate yung skin ... panoorin mo yung training ni ippo ( boxing cartoons ) ... hehehe sana makatulong

Tama po sugesstion ni Feed_back.. Pitik lang po pero may power. sigurado di mapupunit ung skins mo. pero kung mahilig kang pumalo with rim shots mapupudpod sticks mo. hahaha.. well madaming styles na pwedeng matutunan para mapatunog ng malakas and drums pero di naapektuhan yung quality ng tugtog mo and hndi bali and butas and sticks and drum heads mo. it usualy takes lot of time to practice. And one thing infuence mo rin ung sarili mo sa ibang genre like acid jazz or funk, etch. They play really loud but if take a look at thier drum style pitik lang pero malakas. sophistication kumbaga. hehehe peace out
Title: Re: my hands!!!!
Post by: niNgpo on October 09, 2007, 09:39:49 AM: ako rin po i need help. hirap po ako mag-traditional na hawak sa drumstick. pag traditional po imbis na kaliwa ko kanan ginanagamit ko. right handed po ako. nahihirapan ako mag traditional sa kaliwa.
Title: Re: my hands!!!!
Post by: cs_mapper on October 09, 2007, 09:53:15 AM: bili ka ng mas matibay na drumsticks at drumheads hehe.
Title: Re: my hands!!!!
Post by: drumster on October 09, 2007, 09:59:29 AM: Quote from: niNgpo on October 09, 2007, 09:39:49 AM
ako rin po i need help. hirap po ako mag-traditional na hawak sa drumstick. pag traditional po imbis na kaliwa ko kanan ginanagamit ko. right handed po ako. nahihirapan ako mag traditional sa kaliwa.

That's strange, bro. With traditional grip, the right hand uses a matched/overhand grip while the left hand uses the underhand grip. You have it the other way around (unless you're a natural lefty).

Just a backgrounder... Traditional grip was first used by military marching bands, where in during the old days, the snare drum was suspended by strap over a marching drummer's shoulders. The drum was often positioned on the drummer's left side. So, they figured out a gripping style for the left hand in order to play the drum with that position.

When the first drumsets were invented and utilized, the idea of using the traditional grip got stuck. Up to this day, many drummers still use this. Matched or traditional? Whichever works best for you and for your drumming!

Look for the Grip Technique Thread here in Pinoydrums. 8-)

Quote from: daemonite on September 30, 2007, 02:16:41 PM
learn how to conserve energy without sacrificing your groove....

Adding to this, it's actually easier to play drums when you're relaxed and in control. I learned this from experience. Hindi kailangang maging gigil palagi kapag performances. We'll sound better and more musical. We'll be able to save sticks and drumheads. Techs and bandmates and people around us will also feel better. It has plenty of benefits.
Title: Re: my hands!!!!
Post by: niNgpo on October 09, 2007, 10:01:40 PM: yun nga po problem ko eh. right handed ako so dapat pag traditional sa kaliwang kamay nakaibabaw yung stick. baliktad po ako sa kanan ko po nasanay....
Title: Re: my hands!!!!
Post by: Orenz on October 09, 2007, 10:21:51 PM: Saka, pwede naman gawin ang mga malalakas na hampas sa mahina din paraan. ang importante yung swak sa metro, hindi yung lakas na naooverpower mo na mga kabanda mo. Sa practice lang naman yan ^_^
Title: Re: my hands!!!!
Post by: metalmuhlisha on October 09, 2007, 11:00:07 PM: i agree with sir dio, even if you're a "metal" drummer, hindi mo naman kailangang mang-gigil e. para sakin, mas mabilis nga ako kapag relaxed lang, esp. when it comes to double pedal. personally, i can groove better and have better speed, control, and feel when i'm chill. wala lang, just a little something i picked up from my lessons with sir jp. haha.

disclaimer: baguhan palang ako
Title: Re: my hands!!!!
Post by: cavsdieagram on October 10, 2007, 02:21:37 PM: Yup they're right!!!

kung metal drummer ka dapat hindi ka gigil kc like what you've said "death" pa ung genre nyo, mostly blasts ang gamit mo so kylangan mo magsave ng energy para sa whole song and para sa next pa. Hand technique lang tlga problema cgro, play with your wrists :wink: ... tama si sir drumster: :lol:

QUOTE:
"Adding to this, it's actually easier to play drums when you're relaxed and in control. I learned this from experience. Hindi kailangang maging gigil palagi kapag performances. We'll sound better and more musical. We'll be able to save sticks and drumheads. Techs and bandmates and people around us will also feel better. It has plenty of benefits."

TALAGANG MATUTUWA UNG MGA TECHS!!!! :lol:
HAPPY DRUMMING!!! :-D
Title: Re: Grip Technique thread
Post by: glynminded on October 20, 2007, 09:33:58 PM: I switch between Matched Grip or Trad Grip, depends upon which genre I play... but when I play Matched Grip I use the American Grip coz I hold the stick french on the left and german on the right....
Title: Re: Grip Technique thread
Post by: jeff_proX40 on October 21, 2007, 03:35:06 AM: Trad grip pero kahit ano basta comportable!!! hehehe
Title: Re: Grip Technique thread
Post by: zach lucero on October 21, 2007, 11:06:06 AM: Actually there is an ideal...but not between grip styles...more on how you hold em. whatever grip it is, the key and objective is not to strain your thumb muscles on the palm area near your wrist, not to strain your forearm muscles from elbow to wrist, and shoulder muscles.. doing so will hamper your speed efficiency and time. even if you are relaxed if you holding em wrong, strain is inevitable. Habang maaga palang grip it right, and worry about style later. There is no one way that is correct, sometimes the way i hold it is not effective for others, and vice versa.
Title: Re: Grip Technique thread
Post by: BirjandBOGGS on October 21, 2007, 09:36:25 PM: ako match grip din pero Filipino style. meaning kung ano yung nakasanayan mo at effective para sayo yun na yun.wala namang tama at mali dito. mali nalang siguro pag na injure mo yung sarili mo by doing your prefered grip. :wink:
Title: Re: Grip Technique thread
Post by: harugrugrug on October 22, 2007, 12:09:04 AM: mga opinions ko po... medyo weird..
depende lahat sa players yan e.. some won't work.. some will do..
iba iba tayo ng structure ng kamay.. may mataba daliri,mahaba.. etc..
anyway..
trad-when playing beats,circular motion ang saltik ng snare hand ko, nakita ko ito kay Neil Peart.. kasi sabe niya it's better to go with the motion than to fight it..ayun.. when playing double strokes,i use my index finger as my bida.. hehe..
pati din pag singles.. di ko masyado gumagamit ng thumb.

german-for me power talaga dito.. dahil wrist ang bida dito.. pag ganito.. ang partners ko ay thumb and index finger.. for accents and my three fingers(middle,ring and pinkie) for my double strokes..

french- puro fingers ito at support and thumb.. at mas magnda ito sa mga delicate playing sa drums.. ayun..
it's my opinion and some thought shared to me by other drummers both personally at ung video ni Neil Peart.. hehe.. some grips will work for you, and not for me.. vice versa.. it's for you to know what works for you best..
Title: What is the advantage using trad grip?
Post by: underprog on January 19, 2008, 09:07:58 PM: anu ba advantage ng trad grip? meron kc ako napanood na drum lesson na ineencourage nya ung mga viewers na mag trad grip...
Title: Re: What is the advantage using trad grip?
Post by: kaiowas on January 20, 2008, 01:06:25 AM: wrong tread brother :-D
Title: Re: What is the advantage using trad grip?
Post by: autoexec on January 20, 2008, 03:52:12 AM: ano ano nga po ba advantages ng trad grip?

OT: Wrong thread??
Title: Re: What is the advantage using trad grip?
Post by: lil.drummerboy on January 20, 2008, 03:57:03 AM: hindi naman ata wrong thread? para sakin walang advantage yun. disadvantage pa nga yun kung hindi ka sanay mag traditional grip tapos pipilitin mo :lol: eh kasi hindi ka comportable sa ganun :lol: kanya kanya naman yan eh :lol: kung san ka sanay at san comportable dun ka dba.. pero wlaang masama kung pagaaralan mo yun :lol:
Title: Re: What is the advantage using trad grip?
Post by: daemonite on January 20, 2008, 04:08:15 AM: Galing kasi classi ang thread na ito.

Quote from: lil.drummerboy on January 20, 2008, 03:57:03 AM
hindi naman ata wrong thread? para sakin walang advantage yun. disadvantage pa nga yun kung hindi ka sanay mag traditional grip tapos pipilitin mo :lol: eh kasi hindi ka comportable sa ganun :lol: kanya kanya naman yan eh :lol: kung san ka sanay at san comportable dun ka dba.. pero wlaang masama kung pagaaralan mo yun :lol:

Totoo yan. Sabi ni Dave Weckl, mapa-trad or matched grip ka, walang kaso yun.
Title: Re: What is the advantage using trad grip?
Post by: vdonati_fan on January 20, 2008, 10:10:33 PM: Quote from: daemonite on January 20, 2008, 04:08:15 AM
Galing kasi classi ang thread na ito.

Totoo yan. Sabi ni Dave Weckl, mapa-trad or matched grip ka, walang kaso yun.

correct! napanood ko din yun... hehehe. dapat nga pantay lang, what you could do in a trad grip, you can do with a matched grip. depende na lang sa drummer kung ano ang gusto niyang gamitin, parang sabi ata ni Weckl is parang depende sa emotion ng drummer, please correct me if it's wrong... pero parang yun yung narinig ko sa video nya...

meron pa nga silang tinatawag sa trad grip na "The Golden Grip"...ilan sa mga drummer na gumagamit nun ay sina Vinnie Colaiuta, Dave Weckl at Steve Gadd. i got that info from Koko Bermejo.
Title: Hand Technique
Post by: dasplinter on April 22, 2008, 02:12:24 AM: mga sir! meron po ba kayong maisu-suggest kung pano ma-improve ang speed ng left hand nyo? (kung right handed kayo gaya ko..)
Title: Re: need help improving my left hand speed.
Post by: metalmuhlisha on April 22, 2008, 03:58:42 PM: practicing doubles has helped alot for my hand speed. tapos nung medyo bago pa ko sa drums, nag-eendurance test ako. continuous singles, doubles, triplets, and/or paradiddles at a given tempo with a set time. if i'm comfortable with one tempo already, i'll speed it up etc etc.

constant practice din, pati trying out new things. speed comes with time, so i never practice with speed as my goal. i practice to grow as a musician, speed is only a beneficial side-effect of that.
Title: Re: need help improving my left hand speed.
Post by: Dheniz on April 22, 2008, 04:10:19 PM: practice ka sa drum pad anywhere and anytime, kahit left hand lang kasi yun naman ang prob mo diba, palo ka sa pad kahit mabagal tapos tsaka mo na lang bilisan... darating ka rin dun :-)
Title: Re: need help improving my left hand speed.
Post by: dasplinter on April 22, 2008, 04:27:58 PM: problem is i dun have a drumpad.. yoko bumili kc mahal eh.. so sa hita nlang ako pumapalo-palo.. meron nman akong drumset.. but there goes my 2nd problem.. my mother. :|

NO TXT spelling please
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Title: Re: need help improving my left hand speed.
Post by: drumachine on April 22, 2008, 04:33:40 PM: try mu sa unan. walang rebound yun. dun ka magendurance test. hehe
ganun ginagawa ko eh.. :-D
Title: Re: need help improving my left hand speed.
Post by: Dheniz on April 22, 2008, 04:35:07 PM: Quote from: dasplinter on April 22, 2008, 04:27:58 PM
problem is i dun have a drumpad.. yoko bumili kc mahal eh.. so sa hita nlang ako pumapalo-palo.. meron nman akong drumset.. but there goes my 2nd problem.. my mother. :|

try mo maghanap ng alternative para makapag practice, yung iba balita ko sa pang table tennis sila nag prapractice,sabi nila ok naman raw,yung iba naman sa mouse pad or try mo rin sa carpet. :-)
Title: Re: need help improving my left hand speed.
Post by: rimshot601 on April 22, 2008, 05:49:59 PM: Kung talagang gusto, madaming paraan. Kung tinatamad, madaming dahilan. :lol:

Practice lang 'tol, kahit sa makapal na libro imbes na drumpad. :-D
Title: Re: need help improving my left hand speed.
Post by: Chopstix on April 23, 2008, 01:41:30 PM: few tips para sa left hand mo. parang nasuggest ko na rin to last time.
eto mga ginagawa ko

1. nilipat ko mouse ng PC ko sa kaliwa (akala tuloy dito sa office, kaliwete ako)
2. brush your teeth using your left hand
3. pagnagsasalin ng tubig mula sa pitchel
4. pagbukas ng pinto
5. at syempre, use your left pagmagkakamot ng wetfox.
Title: Re: need help improving my left hand speed.
Post by: dasplinter on April 23, 2008, 05:27:42 PM: Quote from: Chopstix on April 23, 2008, 01:41:30 PM
few tips para sa left hand mo. parang nasuggest ko na rin to last time.
eto mga ginagawa ko

1. nilipat ko mouse ng PC ko sa kaliwa (akala tuloy dito sa office, kaliwete ako)
2. brush your teeth using your left hand
3. pagnagsasalin ng tubig mula sa pitchel
4. pagbukas ng pinto
5. at syempre, use your left pagmagkakamot ng wetfox.

i already used and still using #2 & #4 :lol:

gumagamit kasi ako ng tabo pag naliligo, left din ung gamit ko..
well similiar lang sa #3 :lol:

dun sa #5 pano kung sa kanang pisngi yung makati? :lol:
Title: Re: need help improving my left hand speed.
Post by: Chopstix on April 24, 2008, 01:54:06 PM: mukhang mahirap nga yan kung yung kanang pisngi na ang makati. pero may solution pa rin...

hawakan mo ng kaliwang kamay yung drum stick mo tapos yung stick ang pangkamot mo.
Title: Re: need help improving my left hand speed.
Post by: el Brutal on April 24, 2008, 05:39:39 PM: Quote from: Chopstix on April 24, 2008, 01:54:06 PM
mukhang mahirap nga yan kung yung kanang pisngi na ang makati. pero may solution pa rin...

hawakan mo ng kaliwang kamay yung drum stick mo tapos yung stick ang pangkamot mo.

drummer talga! hahah..

mag rudiments ka ung mga may left accents..and xempre metronome
Title: Re: need help improving my left hand speed.
Post by: dasplinter on April 24, 2008, 10:12:33 PM: wala ako metronome eh!

magkano ba un?

meron ba nun sa palengke?
Title: Re: need help improving my left hand speed.
Post by: Helmet on April 25, 2008, 04:52:53 AM: Moeller technique on singles, doubles etc. You'll learn how to relax your wrist while developing speed. Don't jump into a higher speed kung di mo pa kayang pumalo consistently nang matagal. It'll take weeks or months, but it's worth it.

Save up for a drumpad, malaking tulong to bro. Good luck!
Title: Re: need help improving my left hand speed.
Post by: stiknstone on April 25, 2008, 11:48:03 AM: sir try to look for Derek Roddy exercise in youtube on how to improve your left hand speed. :-)
hope this will help you sir..
Title: Re: need help improving my left hand speed.
Post by: cfbackbone™ on April 26, 2008, 01:28:07 AM: eto medyo sales talk pero sagot sa problema mo to...mystery hand practice pads. hehe. mura lang.

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php?topic=64350.0
Title: Re: need help improving my left hand speed.
Post by: dasplinter on April 26, 2008, 08:09:11 AM: Quote from: cfbackbone™ on April 26, 2008, 01:28:07 AM
eto medyo sales talk pero sagot sa problema mo to...mystery hand practice pads. hehe. mura lang.

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php?topic=64350.0

wow, tlaga?! customized? :? ano yun? me nakalagay na pangalan ko pag bumili ako? :lol: hmmm.. mukang maganda yan ah.. tga saan po kayo sir?
Title: Re: need help improving my left hand speed.
Post by: drummerboy827 on April 27, 2008, 09:57:13 AM: Practice.
Title: Re: need help improving my left hand speed.
Post by: kriz_dabu on May 08, 2008, 06:05:08 PM: Singles. Doubles. Triplets. Then try mo Moeller technique. Ang trick jan is practice slowly until mafeel mo na ung vibe as days pass. Di naman kasi necessary na mabilis agad ang pagpalo, nasa timing and accuracy ng chops. Practice everyday and you'll see the difference, hindi mo man mamamalayan na bumibilis na pala! Pero suggestion ko talaga is ung Moeller technique, syempre prerequisites ang singles and doubles talaga. Hope this may help. :lol:
Title: Re: Grip Technique thread
Post by: Saging on December 29, 2008, 10:37:47 AM: Hey guys, baguhan lang sa forum, just wanna ask something, since this thread is already about Grip Technique. Sensya na lang kung nakaka gulo dahil luma na yung thread.

Anyways, sa mga traditional grip players. Nagkakaroon ba ng bruising yung areas kung saan nag papahinga yung stick ninyo, more specifically sa ring finger? Alam ko dapat sa mga knuckles nag papahinga yung mga sticks, pero di komportable sa akin yung dun siya nag papahinga, kaya nasa gitna ng first and second knuckle ng ring finger. Sa tingin niyo pabayaan ko na lang masanay yung daliri ko at tumigas na lang yung kalamnan niya o may mali ako sa ginagagawa ko?
Title: Re: Grip Technique thread
Post by: mambo on December 29, 2008, 10:57:34 PM: IMO: parang pag tapak sa pedal lang yan e, wala daw maling paraan, nasa comfortability at kung gaano ka-effective yung method mo sa pagpalo mo.

nakakita na rin ako ng parang bosing nung mga drummer nun ROTC ko, pareho kayo maghawak....at magaling sya.

tip nalang:stick with your sweet spot, but explore. mas matututo ka kung susubukan mo yung iba at hindi ka nakastuck sa isang grip or in your case, yung paraan ng paghawak mo.

sana may naitulong.
Title: Re: Grip Technique thread
Post by: metalmuhlisha on December 30, 2008, 12:03:01 AM: Quote from: Saging on December 29, 2008, 10:37:47 AM
Hey guys, baguhan lang sa forum, just wanna ask something, since this thread is already about Grip Technique. Sensya na lang kung nakaka gulo dahil luma na yung thread.

Anyways, sa mga traditional grip players. Nagkakaroon ba ng bruising yung areas kung saan nag papahinga yung stick ninyo, more specifically sa ring finger? Alam ko dapat sa mga knuckles nag papahinga yung mga sticks, pero di komportable sa akin yung dun siya nag papahinga, kaya nasa gitna ng first and second knuckle ng ring finger. Sa tingin niyo pabayaan ko na lang masanay yung daliri ko at tumigas na lang yung kalamnan niya o may mali ako sa ginagagawa ko?
go watch jojo mayer's dvd (ehem legally or otherwise), it's a bible for technique. siguradong ma-iimprove mo technique mo dun, intindihin mo lang.

my opinion is that if you're hurting yourself, then there's something wrong with how you approach your technique. (italicized because i also believe that there is no right or wrong way with drumming, only bad choices and approaches)

my humble 2 cents.
Title: Re: Grip Technique thread
Post by: Darel on December 30, 2008, 03:16:50 AM: as for me,nasa comfortability na siguro yun ng isang drummer kung anung technique yung gagamitin niya.. the important thing is, malinaw mong madedeliver yung drum lines mo... hindi yung puro technique eh malabo naman yung pagpalo mo,wala rin...

ako mas comfortable ako sa american grip.. hehe
Title: Re: Grip Technique thread
Post by: Saging on December 30, 2008, 11:38:00 AM: Quote from: metalmuhlisha on December 30, 2008, 12:03:01 AM
my opinion is that if you're hurting yourself, then there's something wrong with how you approach your technique. (italicized because i also believe that there is no right or wrong way with drumming, only bad choices and approaches)

Yun nga naisip ko eh, thanks for the advice though. Nabalitaan ko yung DVD ni Mayer, pinanood ko yung previews sa YouTube, hahahaha. Thanks again for the tips. :-)
Title: Re: Grip Technique thread
Post by: l_e_i_g_h on December 31, 2008, 06:54:12 PM: oo...tama....meron naman siguro may kopya na magpapahiram. :-D

Quote from: metalmuhlisha on December 30, 2008, 12:03:01 AM
go watch jojo mayer's dvd
Title: Re: Grip Technique thread
Post by: kimpoy19 on January 01, 2009, 05:21:13 PM: wow!

akala ko, 2 lang yung grips. :-D
Title: Re: Grip Technique thread
Post by: kimpoy19 on January 03, 2009, 05:04:44 PM: haha! palo ako ng palo, nagagawa ko na pala yung mga ibang grips bukod pa sa traditional at match. :-D :-D
Title: tips/exercises for fast single-hand 16th note hihat pattern?
Post by: metalmuhlisha on February 01, 2009, 08:35:20 PM: kung sino naman pong mabilis mag one hand 16th notes sa hihat, patulong po.

recently ko lang kasi nadiskubre na ito ang weakness ko. mas mabilis pa nga yung kaliwa ko kahit right-handed ako. kahit pag dating sa blast beat, yung kaliwa talaga mas malakas (dahil siguro sa practice).

kaya ko mag 16th note nang mabilis sa kanan, pero ride lang (iba kasi yung feel), pero pag dating sa hihat, nag-tetense tas parang nagiging [chewbacca] ulit ako magdrums.

kung may tips or exercises kayo diyan na ginawa kaya kayo bumilis, post niyo naman. ang ginagawa ko lang kasi ngayon RRRR LLLL (and various permutations) e.

PS. french grip/finger technique po gamit ko, kaya [chewbacca] ako sa german grip/palm down/wrist. hindi rin ako willing mag invest ng time para sa push-pull technique. finger all the way po ako. :-D
Title: Re: tips/exercises for fast single-hand 16th note hihat pattern?
Post by: plep on February 01, 2009, 08:42:31 PM: buti ka pa nga alam mo yung tawag sa mga techniques / grips e. ako, ginagawa ko lang sila nang di ko alam ano tawag sa kanila :roll:

tips? hmm

di sapat ang RRRR LLLL. subukan mo RRRRRRR (ad infinitum) hanngang mangawit. pahinga onti, tas RRRRRRR... ulit. kahit di muna mabilis. para lang makuha ng kamay mo yung diretso na walang tigil. darating din ang bilis niyan e.

tsaka... relax ka lang. habang mas iniisip mo yan, mas matetense lang lalo kamay mo.
Title: Re: tips/exercises for fast single-hand 16th note hihat pattern?
Post by: metalmuhlisha on February 01, 2009, 08:58:21 PM: @plep
yep ginagawa ko din yung RRRR to infinity. haha. yan din siguro yung sagot na inaasahan ko. nagbabaka sakali lang ako na sana may shortcut (kahit alam kong wala). salamat sa pag reaffirm. :)

na-frustrate lang kasi ako, parang kahit papano ok na yung ibang aspect, tapos na-discover ko na di ko kaya yung mabilis na kanan sa hihats.

badtrip pa kasi usually ibang tao frustration sa foot speed/chops, yung akin baliktad, kanang kamay pa. medyo nakakalungkot lang na nakaka-baba ng damdamin (haha).

oh well matagal-tagal na praktis nanaman to. :(
Title: Re: tips/exercises for fast single-hand 16th note hihat pattern?
Post by: marko21 on February 01, 2009, 09:12:55 PM: Eto rin ang weakness ko! :-D
Title: Re: tips/exercises for fast single-hand 16th note hihat pattern?
Post by: metalmuhlisha on February 01, 2009, 09:26:29 PM: Quote from: marko21 on February 01, 2009, 09:12:55 PM
Eto rin ang weakness ko! :-D
welcome to the club, brad! XD

ngayon may katabi nanaman akong unan dito sa pc, parang dati nung nagsisimula palang ako, gabi gabi akong nagprapraktis ng singles, doubles at paradiddles. haha. ayos. back to basics. RRRR!
Title: Re: tips/exercises for fast single-hand 16th note hihat pattern?
Post by: wireme on February 01, 2009, 10:56:12 PM: same here kaso left handed talaga ako kaya problem talaga ang right hand ko
Title: Re: tips/exercises for fast single-hand 16th note hihat pattern?
Post by: curry on February 01, 2009, 11:13:29 PM: My left hand is always slower and i notice that this slows me down. It can't reach the pace of my right hand. what I know is that what the right can do, the left should also do. Sometimes I play some beats with my left hand playing the hi-hats(open-handed) so my left gets properly oriented with what my right used to do the normal way.Well this is just my simple way of exercising my left hand, but I still do continuous tapping with my left as often as I can.
Title: Re: tips/exercises for fast single-hand 16th note hihat pattern?
Post by: IncX on February 02, 2009, 08:31:20 PM: Quote from: metalmuhlisha on February 01, 2009, 08:35:20 PM

PS. french grip/finger technique po gamit ko, kaya [chewbacca] ako sa german grip/palm down/wrist. hindi rin ako willing mag invest ng time para sa push-pull technique. finger all the way po ako. :-D

i learned how to do the palm down thing within a week... and i had no real drum training prior to that... i think you'll learn faster than i did.

i also read that french grip, makes you susceptible to carpal tunnel syndrome. i agree with this because i thought id wanna use the french grip (looks cooler), but i noticed that it puts more stress on my wrist rather than the more natural palm down position.

im not very fast with my blast beats ... but i can do decent speed on both my left and right (right is still faster when push comes to shove though).
Title: Re: tips/exercises for fast single-hand 16th note hihat pattern?
Post by: metalmuhlisha on February 02, 2009, 11:03:04 PM: @incx
what i meant was i'm not comfortable doing german grip; never was. most people use it though, i just never became comfortable with it. i wish i was though because there's more power in it as compared to french grip.

french grip might make a drummer more susceptible to carpal tunnel syndrome, but i think as long as you do it right, it won't be a factor which type of grip a person uses. imo.

besides, with the french grip, you're supposed to be using the radius ulna, and fingers most of the time, not the wrist primarily, because that's just uncomfortable.

(info came from jojo mayer's dvd btw. it's an awesome encyclopedia on technique.)

and oh, don't worry about speeding up your blastbeats. speed will come in time, with correct practice and dedication. feel is much more important. even the really fast people will tell you that. good luck dude.
Title: Re: tips/exercises for fast single-hand 16th note hihat pattern?
Post by: inigo on February 02, 2009, 11:07:20 PM: moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller

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Title: Re: tips/exercises for fast single-hand 16th note hihat pattern?
Post by: phfreq on February 02, 2009, 11:28:45 PM: isa sa mga exercises ni johnny rabb eh

RRRR RRRR RRRR RRRR LRLR LLLL LLLL LLLL LLLL

(using whatever grip you're comfortable with) (practicing with the right hand on the hihat and left on the snare).

basically 4 bars of 16ths tapos isang transitional bar na LRLR para mapunta sa kabilang hand then another 4 bars of 16ths para dun sa kabilang hand.

Tapos habang bumibilis na dyan, try to lessen the number of bars so magiging 3 bars of R, transition then 3 bars of L.. hanggang sa maging tig-isang bar na lang...

kung sa hihats tapos finger technique, try to watch how johnny rabb does it. Tapos yung finger valving technique ni jojo mayer might also work.

Nakikita ko din minsan ginagawa ni rabb na ung stick is placed on top of the hihat, tapos hawak ung stick sa gitna tapos ung head of the stick hits the hihat area farther from you and area of the hihat near you with the butt end of the stick.

Napansin ko din na sa hihats, mas madali ko nagagawa ung mabilis kung lighter and thinner sticks ang gamit ko. Lalo na ung maple sticks (as opposed to the regular hickory).

or you could also try using one of these :-)
http://store.drumbum.com/slapstiks-drumsticks-stix.htm

hth..
Title: Re: tips/exercises for fast single-hand 16th note hihat pattern?
Post by: Dheniz on February 03, 2009, 02:32:26 AM: Quote from: inigo on February 02, 2009, 11:07:20 PM
moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller moeller

:D

+1 kaso naka focus ata cya sa french grip/finger technique, tulad rin ng sabi nya na ayaw niya mag laan ng time pag aralan ang ibang method, tingin ko drumpad lang katapat nyan kahit anong oras at kahit saan gamit ng technique na nakasanayan mo, dadating rin yan, more patience + more dedication = minimithi :-D
Title: Re: tips/exercises for fast single-hand 16th note hihat pattern?
Post by: andreiandrei on February 03, 2009, 06:51:21 AM: ang hirap pala nang moeller. haha! papraktisin ko na to! hehe!
Title: Re: tips/exercises for fast single-hand 16th note hihat pattern?
Post by: metalmuhlisha on February 03, 2009, 01:01:38 PM: @inigo and dheniz (kung technique lang paguusapan malamang ikaw ang taong dapat lapitan dito haha)

yung full-on moeller technique di ko din masyadong natagalan kasi german grip ko siya nakita dun sa dvd ni jojo mayer.

kaya medyo sinubukan kong ipasok sa grip ko ewan ko kung tama; ina-apply ko yung principle na whipping motion pag dating sa accent. yun nga lang pag nag-whip yun arm or forearm hindi wrist yung gumagana, kundi nag-tuturn lang ng onti yung kamay ko (radius ulna lol! dami ko talaga natutunan kay jojo mayer.) dati kasi pag accent using wrist parang nakaka-stress e. yun nga baka magka-tendonitis(sp?) kaya binago ko.

ok lang ba yun o tama ba yung ginagawa ko? i think si marco minnemann ganun din gamit (finger + moeller) pero ewan ko kung ganun yung ginagawa ko.

oo nga pala ngayon ko lang napansin nung nasa klase ako tas nag papraktis ng RRRR sa hita-- nakita ko yung mali ng kanan ko kaya siya bumabagal. yung kaliwa ko kasi kung bumibilis nagiging loose lalo, yung sa kanan ang nangyayari yung thumb masyadong humihigpit sa grip. yung kaliwa ko kasi medyo naka curve na "U" yung thumb, yung sa kanan nag-tetense yung thumb. ayun inayos ko na, medyo bumilis narin pero mas mabilis parin kaliwa. pero ayun feel ko dere-derecho na tong progress. nadiskubre ko na yung mali e. praktis nalang. hehe. (nagulat talaga ako ngayon ko lang napansin to.)

@phfreq
thanks for that exercise, i'll try to practice it in class/on pillows/etc. lagi na kong may dalang mas mabigat na stick ngayon para kung walang magawa sa class may speed practice ako.

pinanood ko lang yung valving technique tas umayaw na ko e. same with the push-pull. hirap talaga, kelangan talaga dedication at tiyaga e. wala ako nun pag dating sa pagaaral ng bagong techniques, kasi mas focused ako sa musicianship/groove. si dheniz nakita ko na dati mag push-pull, ang galing at ang bilis.
Title: Re: tips/exercises for fast single-hand 16th note hihat pattern?
Post by: Dheniz on February 03, 2009, 07:35:14 PM: Quote from: metalmuhlisha on February 03, 2009, 01:01:38 PM
@inigo and dheniz (kung technique lang paguusapan malamang ikaw ang taong dapat lapitan dito haha)

yung full-on moeller technique di ko din masyadong natagalan kasi german grip ko siya nakita dun sa dvd ni jojo mayer.

kaya medyo sinubukan kong ipasok sa grip ko ewan ko kung tama; ina-apply ko yung principle na whipping motion pag dating sa accent. yun nga lang pag nag-whip yun arm or forearm hindi wrist yung gumagana, kundi nag-tuturn lang ng onti yung kamay ko (radius ulna lol! dami ko talaga natutunan kay jojo mayer.) dati kasi pag accent using wrist parang nakaka-stress e. yun nga baka magka-tendonitis(sp?) kaya binago ko.

ok lang ba yun o tama ba yung ginagawa ko? i think si marco minnemann ganun din gamit (finger + moeller) pero ewan ko kung ganun yung ginagawa ko.

oo nga pala ngayon ko lang napansin nung nasa klase ako tas nag papraktis ng RRRR sa hita-- nakita ko yung mali ng kanan ko kaya siya bumabagal. yung kaliwa ko kasi kung bumibilis nagiging loose lalo, yung sa kanan ang nangyayari yung thumb masyadong humihigpit sa grip. yung kaliwa ko kasi medyo naka curve na "U" yung thumb, yung sa kanan nag-tetense yung thumb. ayun inayos ko na, medyo bumilis narin pero mas mabilis parin kaliwa. pero ayun feel ko dere-derecho na tong progress. nadiskubre ko na yung mali e. praktis nalang. hehe. (nagulat talaga ako ngayon ko lang napansin to.)

@phfreq
thanks for that exercise, i'll try to practice it in class/on pillows/etc. lagi na kong may dalang mas mabigat na stick ngayon para kung walang magawa sa class may speed practice ako.

pinanood ko lang yung valving technique tas umayaw na ko e. same with the push-pull. hirap talaga, kelangan talaga dedication at tiyaga e. wala ako nun pag dating sa pagaaral ng bagong techniques, kasi mas focused ako sa musicianship/groove. si dheniz nakita ko na dati mag push-pull, ang galing at ang bilis.

yes tama ka german grip nga yung nakita mo kay jojo mayer dahil cguro mas madali ma execute yung moeller dun pero ngayun na try ko mag french grip applicable naman kaya lang di ko kaya gawin kasing bilis pag naka german grip ako,tingin ko practice lang yan, tama naman ginawa mo whipping motion hhhmm i think tignan mo rin yung grip mo pag nag momoeller try mo i relax at wag bigyan ng tension "free stroke" wag mo masyado i grip yung thumb ang point finger mo. :-)
Title: Re: tips/exercises for fast single-hand 16th note hihat pattern?
Post by: metalmuhlisha on February 05, 2009, 10:54:04 PM: @dheniz
yep thank you sa tips, ngayon pag nagpapraktis ako sa hita, tinitignan kong mabuti yung technique. paunti unti ko palang na lo-loosen yung kanang kamay ko, yung kaliwa no problem, pero ang nagyayari pag mabilis na blast beat, napupunta yung kamay ko sa gitna ng stick (pero di na lumalampas pa dun), panibagong observation nanaman to kung anong mali. ano kayang dulot nito, may idea ka? or normal lang to? (i doubt it)

pero ok lang mas bumilis ako nung naging mas loose ako. kala ko dati loose na ko, pwede pa pala mas loose dun. iba talaga, mas masarap ngayon.

yung kanan paunti-unti naring bumibilis, pero minsan "nabubulunan" parin pag nasa limit na yung speed. kumbaga nawawala yung pag "dribble" ko sa stick. praktis lang! hehe.

salamat sa mga payo ninyong lahat lalo na sayo dennis! :)
Title: Re: tips/exercises for fast single-hand 16th note hihat pattern?
Post by: metalmuhlisha on February 05, 2009, 11:06:21 PM: @dheniz
yep thank you sa tips, ngayon pag nagpapraktis ako sa hita, tinitignan kong mabuti yung technique. paunti unti ko palang na lo-loosen yung kanang kamay ko, yung kaliwa no problem, pero ang nagyayari pag mabilis na blast beat, napupunta yung kamay ko sa gitna ng stick (pero di na lumalampas pa dun), panibagong observation nanaman to kung anong mali. ano kayang dulot nito, may idea ka? or normal lang to? (i doubt it)

pero ok lang mas bumilis ako nung naging mas loose ako. kala ko dati loose na ko, pwede pa pala mas loose dun. iba talaga, mas masarap ngayon.

yung kanan paunti-unti naring bumibilis, pero minsan "nabubulunan" parin pag nasa limit na yung speed. kumbaga nawawala yung pag "dribble" ko sa stick. praktis lang! hehe.

salamat sa mga payo ninyong lahat lalo na sayo dennis! :)
Title: Re: tips/exercises for fast single-hand 16th note hihat pattern?
Post by: metalmuhlisha on February 05, 2009, 11:20:28 PM: @dheniz
yep thank you sa tips, ngayon pag nagpapraktis ako sa hita, tinitignan kong mabuti yung technique. paunti unti ko palang na lo-loosen yung kanang kamay ko, yung kaliwa no problem, pero ang nagyayari pag mabilis na blast beat, napupunta yung kamay ko sa gitna ng stick (pero di na lumalampas pa dun), panibagong observation nanaman to kung anong mali. ano kayang dulot nito, may idea ka? or normal lang to? (i doubt it)

pero ok lang mas bumilis ako nung naging mas loose ako. kala ko dati loose na ko, pwede pa pala mas loose dun. iba talaga, mas masarap ngayon.

yung kanan paunti-unti naring bumibilis, pero minsan "nabubulunan" parin pag nasa limit na yung speed. kumbaga nawawala yung pag "dribble" ko sa stick. praktis lang! hehe.

salamat sa mga payo ninyong lahat lalo na sayo dennis! :)
Title: Re: tips/exercises for fast single-hand 16th note hihat pattern?
Post by: metalmuhlisha on February 06, 2009, 12:40:05 AM: @dheniz
yep thank you sa tips, ngayon pag nagpapraktis ako sa hita, tinitignan kong mabuti yung technique. paunti unti ko palang na lo-loosen yung kanang kamay ko, yung kaliwa no problem, pero ang nagyayari pag mabilis na blast beat, napupunta yung kamay ko sa gitna ng stick (pero di na lumalampas pa dun), panibagong observation nanaman to kung anong mali. ano kayang dulot nito, may idea ka? or normal lang to? (i doubt it)

pero ok lang mas bumilis ako nung naging mas loose ako. kala ko dati loose na ko, pwede pa pala mas loose dun. iba talaga, mas masarap ngayon.

yung kanan paunti-unti naring bumibilis, pero minsan "nabubulunan" parin pag nasa limit na yung speed. kumbaga nawawala yung pag "dribble" ko sa stick. praktis lang! hehe.

salamat sa mga payo ninyong lahat lalo na sayo dennis! :)
Title: Re: tips/exercises for fast single-hand 16th note hihat pattern?
Post by: metalmuhlisha on February 06, 2009, 12:41:46 AM: @dheniz
at tama ka rin nga, pansin ko bawas yung effectiveness ng moeller pag naka french, theory ko lang kasi bawas yung fluidity at medyo compromised ng onti yung motion ng moeller pag naka french.

pinag compare ko yung full moeller stroke w/ german grip saka yung ginagawa kong moeller sa french, parang mas mabagal yung sa french pag dating dun sa accent (wrist-turn).

sinubukan ko rin yung RrrR (stroke,bounce,tap,pullout accent) gamit yung 2 grips kamay lang yung gamit ko mas mabilis talaga yung german (not to mention na hindi magagawa nang tama yung pullout accent pag naka french grip. bawas yung power na galing sa elbow e. badtrip.)

na-pansin ko yung delay nasa pag ikot ng wrist. at na-conclude ko na ang moeller 100% effective lang pag naka german. pero gagamitin ko parin yung motion niya sa french kasi dun lang ako kumportable.

nung december inadik ko yung moeller technique ni mayer, pinagaralan ko. pero pag dating sa kit, wala, di ako makatugtog nang maayos pag naka german. iba yung pakiramdam. kaya bumalik ako sa french, at ginaya sa minnemann (finger+moeller).

haba ng reply sorry.
Title: Re: tips/exercises for fast single-hand 16th note hihat pattern?
Post by: uglyguy on February 06, 2009, 09:21:25 AM: sir .. same problem tayo dati .. mas mabilis nga paa ko dati sa kamay ko hahahahahha .... but sir baka ang problem mo lang sir is how you hold the stick ... dati hirap din ako ... until Benjie of Route 70 noticed how i hold the stick .. masyadong mahigpit at tensed ang grip ko ... so he told me to loosen up a lil .... make the stick swivel/bounce freely .... ayun .... bumilis nga .. less pain sa kamay faster strokes ... experience ko lang po to ... don't know if this is the answer sa prob mo po ...
Title: Re: tips/exercises for fast single-hand 16th note hihat pattern?
Post by: Dheniz on February 06, 2009, 11:24:52 PM: Quote from: metalmuhlisha on February 06, 2009, 12:40:05 AM
@dheniz
yep thank you sa tips, ngayon pag nagpapraktis ako sa hita, tinitignan kong mabuti yung technique. paunti unti ko palang na lo-loosen yung kanang kamay ko, yung kaliwa no problem, pero ang nagyayari pag mabilis na blast beat, napupunta yung kamay ko sa gitna ng stick (pero di na lumalampas pa dun), panibagong observation nanaman to kung anong mali. ano kayang dulot nito, may idea ka? or normal lang to? (i doubt it)

pero ok lang mas bumilis ako nung naging mas loose ako. kala ko dati loose na ko, pwede pa pala mas loose dun. iba talaga, mas masarap ngayon.

yung kanan paunti-unti naring bumibilis, pero minsan "nabubulunan" parin pag nasa limit na yung speed. kumbaga nawawala yung pag "dribble" ko sa stick. praktis lang! hehe.

salamat sa mga payo ninyong lahat lalo na sayo dennis! :)

About blast beats, masyadong naging loose yung kamay mo kaya pumupunta sa gitna, alam naman natin pag blast beats is mabilis, lagyan mo ng unting grip pero relax pa rin for more CONTROL,pag masyado kc maluwag mawawalan ng control so you need to balance yung pagiging relax and control para magawa mo yung gusto mo,watch jojo mayer dvd makikita mo nagbago rin cya ng tension sa grip nung bumibilis cya pero relax pa rin kahit papaano, and isa pa kung pasmado ka try mo mag sex wax, alam ko meron ka nun or use grip tape, naranasan ko yang sinabi mo na napunta ang grip ko sa bandang gitna kasi sa sobrang bilis na. bstat practice lang yan kusa dadating yung speed na hinahangad mo, ganyan na ganyan rin ako dati pag nakuha mo na yung motion or pag sanay ka na sa motion easy na lang sayu yan,as of now kasi pinagaaralan pa ng katawan mo yung motion once na nasanay na yun chicken na lang sayu yan :-D
Title: Re: tips/exercises for fast single-hand 16th note hihat pattern?
Post by: Dheniz on February 06, 2009, 11:32:15 PM: Quote from: metalmuhlisha on February 06, 2009, 12:41:46 AM
@dheniz
at tama ka rin nga, pansin ko bawas yung effectiveness ng moeller pag naka french, theory ko lang kasi bawas yung fluidity at medyo compromised ng onti yung motion ng moeller pag naka french.

pinag compare ko yung full moeller stroke w/ german grip saka yung ginagawa kong moeller sa french, parang mas mabagal yung sa french pag dating dun sa accent (wrist-turn).

sinubukan ko rin yung RrrR (stroke,bounce,tap,pullout accent) gamit yung 2 grips kamay lang yung gamit ko mas mabilis talaga yung german (not to mention na hindi magagawa nang tama yung pullout accent pag naka french grip. bawas yung power na galing sa elbow e. badtrip.)

na-pansin ko yung delay nasa pag ikot ng wrist. at na-conclude ko na ang moeller 100% effective lang pag naka german. pero gagamitin ko parin yung motion niya sa french kasi dun lang ako kumportable.

nung december inadik ko yung moeller technique ni mayer, pinagaralan ko. pero pag dating sa kit, wala, di ako makatugtog nang maayos pag naka german. iba yung pakiramdam. kaya bumalik ako sa french, at ginaya sa minnemann (finger+moeller).

haba ng reply sorry.

yup tama ka ganyan rin akin nung isang gabi na sinubukan ko yung french grip na moeller,mabagal siya at para sakin mahirap iexecute or maaring di lang ako sanay pero tulad rin ng sinabi mo bakit di sanayin ang moeller (german grip) dahil nagagawa mo naman at mas mabilis kaysa sa french mo,try mo sa drumpad mag babad ka dun then sa kit mag babad ka rin,try mo muna sa hard surface para mag boubounce talaga like ride,sanayin mo lang na gawin yun paulit ulit at makukuha mo rin, bastat for me kung gusto mo mag moeller mag german grip ka kasi yun yung effective sakin pero try mo rin idevelop yung french grip using moeiller method baka gumana rin sayu,malay mo gumana at mas comfortable sau diba? ang alam ko lang kasi effective para magawa mo sila ng mabilis is to practice hard,anytime anywhere, drumpad buong araw, gagana yan :lol:
Title: Re: tips/exercises for fast single-hand 16th note hihat pattern?
Post by: metalmuhlisha on February 06, 2009, 11:39:01 PM: @dheniz
hehe ok tenks ulit pre. libre kita beer (o softdrink. o iced tea) next time. :)

ay pasmado rin yung tawag sa kamay na mahilig mag-pawis diba? kung ganun, oo nga natumpak mo, ganun ako. baka nga may factor din yun. yung sex wax kasi nagamit ko lang sa gig e, sige pati practice try ko narin.

basta ang gagawin ko, practice + proper technique + sex wax = "minimithi"! haha ayos.

(ayan ok na, nakuha ko na lahat ng kasagutang hinahanap ko. hindi na ko depressed :D)
Title: Re: tips/exercises for fast single-hand 16th note hihat pattern?
Post by: Dheniz on February 06, 2009, 11:54:34 PM: Quote from: metalmuhlisha on February 06, 2009, 11:39:01 PM
@dheniz
hehe ok tenks ulit pre. libre kita beer (o softdrink. o iced tea) next time. :)

ay pasmado rin yung tawag sa kamay na mahilig mag-pawis diba? kung ganun, oo nga natumpak mo, ganun ako. baka nga may factor din yun. yung sex wax kasi nagamit ko lang sa gig e, sige pati practice try ko narin.

basta ang gagawin ko, practice + proper technique + sex wax = "minimithi"! haha ayos.

(ayan ok na, nakuha ko na lahat ng kasagutang hinahanap ko. hindi na ko depressed :D)

oki doks kita kits tyo sa coming eb kina sir vinci,yup pasmado tawag dyan yung nagpapawis yung kamay or palad, nalaman ko yun kasi nung nag eb tayo last time nahawakan ko yung stick na hinawakan mo tapos napansin ko na basa ayun,pasmado rin ako eh kaya malaki tulong ng sex wax nakakarelax, nagpabili rin sakin si macoy, nung ginamit nya laki raw tulong sarap raw nakakarelax. tama practice lang talaga yan ang secret sa lahat :-D
Title: Re: tips/exercises for fast single-hand 16th note hihat pattern?
Post by: metalmuhlisha on February 07, 2009, 11:52:07 AM: update lang po, isang maliit na progress report:

kakagaling ko lang sa kit, ok na, magkasing bilis na kanan at kaliwa ko. mas malakas lang yung sa kaliwa kaya mas mahina ng konti yung kanan pag blast, pero yung speed ok na.

hindi na napupunta sa gitna yung stick, ginamit ko yung sticks ko na may sex wax dati, kahit di ko nilagyan ng panibagong coating ng wax, laki ng difference. di nga pala dahil sa masyadong loose yung grip ko, kundi dahil sa pawis sa kamay.

yehey.

ok ngayon ta-try ko na mag one hand 16th note sa hihat sana nag-improve narin. *sabay takbo sa kit*
Title: Re: tips/exercises for fast single-hand 16th note hihat pattern?
Post by: stryffe_20 on February 09, 2009, 04:13:38 AM: Everyone is correct actually on how to speed up the right hand ! Regards to that. Dont forget that you also have to make your left hand as equally fast as your right hand.

Right hand to infinity is good. Do quick bursts of it for 1 minute using hand strokes and grips that you think will feel good and relaxed for you. Tense is the word that I appreciate being used most here and at that point given, if you are TOO TENSE doing 16th note single strokes using just your right hand, you really would be wasting your time.

Try to do something as doing varieties on your strokes, with both left and right I mean. And don't do it by eight strokes each, do it on 7th's or 5ves or 3's. At least this way you have that pause on the last note and this will be your break on the stress level on your wrists.

Hope this helps at all. PM if u need more info.
:wink:
Title: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: daleee on November 04, 2009, 06:39:05 PM: Suggest naman po kayo ng mga ginagawa niyong exercises para bumilis at ma ka keep up yung kaliwang kamay sa kanan... :-D
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: drumachine on November 04, 2009, 07:07:42 PM: `single strokes, doubles, triplets, moeller kasama ang bestfriend na metronome at kung anu-ano pa.
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: brokensticks on November 04, 2009, 07:18:20 PM: Quote from: drumachine on November 04, 2009, 07:07:42 PM
`single strokes, doubles, triplets, moeller kasama ang bestfriend na metronome at kung anu-ano pa.

include accents in the left hand, left hand leading(left hand downbeat) will help also
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: paeng16 on November 04, 2009, 07:37:34 PM: Quote from: daleee on November 04, 2009, 06:39:05 PM
Suggest naman po kayo ng mga ginagawa niyong exercises para bumilis at ma ka keep up yung kaliwang kamay sa kanan... :-D

Pare nuod ka ng adult material tapos iposas mo yung kanang kamay mo... YAN MA PRAPRACTICE YANG KALIWA MO!!! :-D :lol:

pero sa drumming naman... dude... try mo ipalo yung hihats ng kaliwa tapos yung kanan sa snare... parang independence na din yun dude!!!.. other than that... rudiments lang... as long as clean ang palo mo sa kaliwa at kana.. at yung speed is maintained oks na oks yun..

hopethis helps...
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: kino on November 04, 2009, 07:39:34 PM: kelangan mo build ung muscles nang left hand mo to be able to keep up with your right hand. If you are right handed, use your left hand more often. For example when using your cellphone (texting), while eating, while using your mouse sa PC etc... then you can try using open hand technique, umpisa ka sa madadaling beat, 4/4 basic beat with a metronome. Start slow and build your way up. Another thing, when practicing fills/rolls, lead with your left hand. As what brokensticks said, include mo accents when practicing.

Ganyan ginagawa until now, I can feel some improvements after two weeks of using my left hand frequently. At first awkward talaga, hirap na hirap ako mag roll starting with my left hand but now medyo comfortable nako. Practice lang ng practice with a metronome para masanay. hth :wink:

Quote from: paeng16 on November 04, 2009, 07:37:34 PM
Pare nuod ka ng adult material tapos iposas mo yung kanang kamay mo... YAN MA PRAPRACTICE YANG KALIWA MO!!! :-D :lol:

hopethis helps...

one of the best way to improve your left hand especially sa wrist mo... hahaha nice one tiyo paeng! :lol:
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: kibohead on November 04, 2009, 07:53:06 PM: tama si tiyo paeng nga...yung mag open hand ka para madevelop yung left hand. quarters, 8ths at 16th measures. tapos left lead sa mga rudiments.

tapos try mo mag roll backwards, parang from right to left manner, para madevelop din yung speed at power ng entire arm. :-D

yung posas...pucha panalo nanaman yan!!! haha!
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: mahikawon666 on November 05, 2009, 03:10:05 PM: tama po un sinabi nina ,drum machine, broken stiks,kibohead, kino at tio paeng dagdag atchek nio po un kay idol ko n c jojo mayer un dvd n secret weapons for the modern drummer madami exercises dun,moeller, freehand, gladstone etc....groupings p din po practice ko s left hand by using hands ,wrist, fingers to strengthen the muscles wid metronome.... sometimes or manytimes controled bounce helps(pati po sa paa)actually lagi ko po ginagamit to minimize energy.. lalo n s blasting,fills....sana makatulong po ako senio khit konti ...docjim aka mahikawon666
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: Rundie on November 05, 2009, 04:35:34 PM: Tama nga kayo mga sir.. try mo magleft handed pag pumapalo sir.. magiging left tsaka right handed ka na mag namaster mo na yun.
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: kimpoy19 on November 05, 2009, 09:29:56 PM: mag def leppard ka pre. :-)
kaso kabilang braso naman gamitin mo. :-)

or try mo magaral ng metal beats. Yung flying finger, gravity blast. Ganun
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: daleee on November 05, 2009, 10:24:42 PM: thanks, i'll try to do the open handed playing more often, i'm currently doing the triplets with my left doing the doubles part... tapos pag umaus aus na, chaka ko gagawin ung pang metal stuffs...thanks!
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: john_jason on November 05, 2009, 11:31:19 PM: Quote from: kino on November 04, 2009, 07:39:34 PM
kelangan mo build ung muscles nang left hand mo to be able to keep up with your right hand. If you are right handed, use your left hand more often. For example when using your cellphone (texting), while eating, while using your mouse sa PC etc... then you can try using open hand technique, umpisa ka sa madadaling beat, 4/4 basic beat with a metronome. Start slow and build your way up. Another thing, when practicing fills/rolls, lead with your left hand. As what brokensticks said, include mo accents when practicing.

Ganyan ginagawa until now, I can feel some improvements after two weeks of using my left hand frequently. At first awkward talaga, hirap na hirap ako mag roll starting with my left hand but now medyo comfortable nako. Practice lang ng practice with a metronome para masanay. hth :wink:

one of the best way to improve your left hand especially sa wrist mo... hahaha nice one tiyo paeng! :lol:

sobrang agree ako advice na ito. once nakipagkwentuhan sakin si Otep Concepcion na hirap parin siyang gamitin yung left hand niya (kahit sorbang galing niya).so, ako naman nagulat ako na nahihirapan pa siya sa lagay na yan tapos konting interview tungkol sa banda ko (starting palang kasi kami). so nagbigay siya ng mga drumming tips sa akin and ito talaga yung advice niya na gamitin ang left hand sa yun nga, sa mga text ganyan-ganyan. sobrang bait nito ni Otep and very humble lalong lalo na kahit kulang yung tunog ng banda, napapakapal niya pa! :-D

OT ko lang ng konti: nameet ko si Otep dahil sa bro ko (deej. yep, yung nagbebenta ng mga percussion sa classified a.k.a Percussionista ni Julianne) :-)
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: chrism_rivera on November 06, 2009, 08:40:35 AM: Ako din ganon prinapractice ko, minsan practice ako ng single stroke na puro left hand hanggang sa mangalay... Tapos hanggat kaya pa paulit ulit lang na ganon... try niyo magpractice for an hour, medyo nakakabagot pero ganyan talaga. Try it with a metronome para mamonitor niyo kung may improvement.

john_jason, nagtuturo ba si otep?
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: john_jason on November 06, 2009, 05:42:19 PM: Quote from: chrism_rivera on November 06, 2009, 08:40:35 AM
Ako din ganon prinapractice ko, minsan practice ako ng single stroke na puro left hand hanggang sa mangalay... Tapos hanggat kaya pa paulit ulit lang na ganon... try niyo magpractice for an hour, medyo nakakabagot pero ganyan talaga. Try it with a metronome para mamonitor niyo kung may improvement.

john_jason, nagtuturo ba si otep?
ang alam ko nagtuturo siya last May nag-ooffer siya. Ewan ko lang ngayon. Sorry. :-D
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: jzaina16 on November 09, 2009, 02:10:51 AM: +1 dun sa start using left hand more often.. works!
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: otepandrew on November 09, 2009, 09:29:52 AM: try mo ang ipang palo mo sa hihat, ung kaliwang kamay mo para masanay ung muscle ng left hand mo
Title: Re: Double Strokes...
Post by: otepandrew on November 15, 2009, 09:30:50 PM: tanong lang po any idea pano po praclisin ung double stroke??
Title: Re: Double Strokes...
Post by: drumachine on November 16, 2009, 01:17:02 PM: slow tempo muna then pabilis ng pabilis just like how you practice other rudiments.
Title: Re: Double Strokes...
Post by: vdonati_fan on November 16, 2009, 01:37:52 PM: watch Jojo Mayer's Secret Weapons for the Modern Drummer.

he mentioned something about double strokes, the different versions and uses. it's really helpful.
Title: Re: Double Strokes...
Post by: kimpoy19 on November 16, 2009, 04:29:00 PM: kailangan bang wrist for double stroke?
Title: Re: Double Strokes...
Post by: otepandrew on November 17, 2009, 07:32:14 AM: Quote from: drumachine on November 16, 2009, 01:17:02 PM
slow tempo muna then pabilis ng pabilis just like how you practice other rudiments.

ah ok ok ah kelangan ko pala ang mapractice ang left hand ko un kasi ung problema kaya hindi ako makapag double stroke, paradidle, at iba pang rudiments pati independence hirap na hirap din ako
Title: Re: Double Strokes...
Post by: vdonati_fan on November 17, 2009, 12:34:31 PM: try nyo po gawing lead hand ang left nyo. ibig pong sabihin eh left kayo mag-iistart sa routine nyo, like this...

LLRR LLRR LLRR LLRR
LLRR LLRR LLRR LLRR

LRLL RLRR LRLL RLRR
LRLL RLRR LRLL RLRR

mas maganda po may metronome po para feel nyop ang click is on the left hand..

HTH.
Title: Re: Double Strokes...
Post by: otepandrew on November 17, 2009, 12:53:09 PM: pag ung mababagal muna na tempo tapos pabilis ng pabilis medyo parang matatagalan pa ata bago ma perfect un ah nwei nag aral ka po ba mag drums "music"
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: bogsdrums on December 01, 2009, 02:00:15 PM: as a rule ...kung ano nagagwa ng right hand kung righthanded ka kailangan magawa mo din wiht your left....U
Title: open/close o moeller?
Post by: hardc0d3r on December 07, 2009, 09:47:38 PM: background muna... :-D

siguro mga 3-4 years na akong nagsimula mag-"drums" pero up to now, wala pa rin ako ng fundamentals.. kaya naman sumabay sa mga simpleng kanta pero hanggang simple lang.. ang problema e hindi ko talaga makuha yung mga rudiments at nafu-frustrate ako kaya tinigil ko muna ang pag-aral ng drums.. ngayon naisip ko na gusto ko na talaga matuto. so hanap ako sa youtube. eto nakita ko: open/close tsaka moeller.. ano po ba mas ok?

sobrang gusto ko na matuto mag drums!!! ayoko na yung kunwaring sumasabay sa kanta pero di naman kaya :-(...
tsaka gaano katagal bago niyo nakuha yung tamang teknik? ang hirap kasi e.. dati kasi talaga ang tagal ko na tinatry yung mga rudiments pero di ko magawa e.. ang bagal ko at kalat yung palo.. walang control...

sobrang okay pala ang forum na 'to!!! nakakainspire at nakakafrustrate at the same time.. hehe

salamat!!! :-D
Title: Re: open/close o moeller?
Post by: wilpredo on December 08, 2009, 12:01:23 AM: bro, depende yan kung saang technique ka mas kumportable. try mo practisin pareho makukuha mo din yan, start very slow and always practice with a metronome para namomonitor mo kung nag-iimprove yung technique na ginagawa mo :-)

it takes time, practice and a LOT of patience :-D
Title: Re: open/close o moeller?
Post by: Riff_6603 on December 08, 2009, 04:24:22 AM: Quote from: wilpredo on December 08, 2009, 12:01:23 AM
bro, depende yan kung saang technique ka mas kumportable. try mo practisin pareho makukuha mo din yan, start very slow and always practice with a metronome para namomonitor mo kung nag-iimprove yung technique na ginagawa mo :-)

it takes time, practice and a LOT of patience :-D

practice, patience and persistence.. ako man bro bad trip mag-aral dati, hindi ko kasi makuha mga rudiments.. pero tiis at tiyaga lang.. sumali pa ako ng drumline para lang ma-enhance kaalaman ko.. kung gusto mo talaga may paraan.. mabagal pero possible naman! good luck! :wink:
Title: Re: open/close o moeller?
Post by: busog on December 08, 2009, 05:55:46 AM: Quote from: wilpredo on December 08, 2009, 12:01:23 AM
bro, depende yan kung saang technique ka mas kumportable. try mo practisin pareho makukuha mo din yan, start very slow and always practice with a metronome para namomonitor mo kung nag-iimprove yung technique na ginagawa mo :-)

it takes time, practice and a LOT of patience :-D

+1

Unang una, hindi INSTANT yung improvement, minsan nga, ngayon nakuha mo na, tapos kinabukasan parang nakalimutan mo na uli.. hehe. so yun, pinakamaganda dyan, movie marathon ka tapos rudiments, d mo mamamalayan na-memorized na ng muscles mo yung rudiments na ginagawa mo while watching, isipin mo, average ng 1 movie is 1 hour and 20mins+ dba.. ayun.. sana makatulong kahit papano, para ma-enjoy mo yung pag"paparadiddle" mo ng hindi mo namamalayan.. :-D :-D
Title: Re: open/close o moeller?
Post by: hardc0d3r on December 08, 2009, 07:38:40 AM: ok na idea yung movie marathon ah.. maraming salamat po sa tips and words of encouragement!!!

pano kaya maging relaxed ang arms pag nag ro-roll? single stroke palang ako stiff na arms ko e.. :-(
Title: Re: open/close o moeller?
Post by: mahikawon666 on December 08, 2009, 08:42:17 AM: Quote from: hardc0d3r on December 08, 2009, 07:38:40 AM
ok na idea yung movie marathon ah.. maraming salamat po sa tips and words of encouragement!!!

pano kaya maging relaxed ang arms pag nag ro-roll? single stroke palang ako stiff na arms ko e.. :-(
pag aralan mo yun controlled bounce ok un ganda pa magpatunog sa drums ,di nka mambubutas ng heads at un isama mo na din yun moeller,freehand etc..tama lahat sinabi nila sa itaas practice lang be patient..sken matagal ko npraktis lalo n my work.. hangang ngayon nagpapractice pa din :-D
Title: Re: open/close o moeller?
Post by: hardc0d3r on December 08, 2009, 09:48:09 AM: di ko macontrol yung bounce ko e.. pero practice!!! practice lang ng practice!!! gagaling din ako..

isa pa palang tanong..gaano po katagal kayo nagpapractice nung baguhan palang kayo?
Title: Re: open/close o moeller?
Post by: phfreq on December 08, 2009, 10:50:06 AM: here's a good video of the open close technique. Jojo Mayer's DVD also provides tons of information/knowledge regarding hand technique.

patience lang... mahirap talaga.. ako malayong malayo pa rin :-)
Title: Re: open/close o moeller?
Post by: mahikawon666 on December 08, 2009, 01:21:03 PM: Quote from: hardc0d3r on December 08, 2009, 09:48:09 AM
di ko macontrol yung bounce ko e.. pero practice!!! practice lang ng practice!!! gagaling din ako..

isa pa palang tanong..gaano po katagal kayo nagpapractice nung baguhan palang kayo?
1 hour or 2 hours bago matulog using practice pad at metronome....aaminin ko sayo ingat lang ah,ilang beses din ako naipitan ng ugat,or npilay,maskit kasi ika nga NO PAIN NO GAIN!!! :-D :-D :-D :evil: :evil: :evil:
Title: Re: open/close o moeller?
Post by: hardc0d3r on December 08, 2009, 01:35:41 PM: sanay na rin sa pilay.. dati lagi akong pilay dahil sa basketball..

ok lang mapilayan.. gumaling lang.. :-D

thanks sa tips!!!
Title: Re: open/close o moeller?
Post by: busog on December 08, 2009, 03:36:56 PM: Quote from: hardc0d3r on December 08, 2009, 07:38:40 AM

pano kaya maging relaxed ang arms pag nag ro-roll?

Answer: Relax ka lang... hehe

May napanuod akong Lesson sa DVD, ang sabi dun:
"If you feel the pain, STOP, RELAX, and have a BREAK. After 15-20mins you can practice again, don't force your muscles to do the job that you can't anymore."

Ayun, so yung "naipitan ng ugat" na sinasabi mo, wag mong pipilitin pag hindi na kaya ng muscles mo, baka maging cause pa yan ng pagtigil mo sa pagddrums. :-) :-)
Title: Re: open/close o moeller?
Post by: rizen on December 08, 2009, 06:23:34 PM: Quote from: busog on December 08, 2009, 03:36:56 PM
Answer: Relax ka lang... hehe

May napanuod akong Lesson sa DVD, ang sabi dun:
"If you feel the pain, STOP, RELAX, and have a BREAK. After 15-20mins you can practice again, don't force your muscles to do the job that you can't anymore."

Ayun, so yung "naipitan ng ugat" na sinasabi mo, wag mong pipilitin pag hindi na kaya ng muscles mo, baka maging cause pa yan ng pagtigil mo sa pagddrums. :-) :-)

I strongly agree :-D
Title: Re: open/close o moeller?
Post by: mahikawon666 on December 08, 2009, 07:05:24 PM: tama yun relax ka lang kasama palagi yun sa pagpraktis at pagtugtog....., dapat gaya ng nasabi ko" mag ingat"...di ko na naelaborate eto hehehe...
Title: Re: open/close o moeller?
Post by: hardc0d3r on December 08, 2009, 08:16:37 PM: san kaya ako makakabili ng practice pad with stand na mura? tumingin ako sa jb park square, 3.5k+ e.. bumili ako ng maliit na vic firth.. ok naman kaso hindi ako makakita ng magandang puwesto e.. thanks
Title: Re: open/close o moeller?
Post by: phfreq on December 08, 2009, 10:01:41 PM: Quote from: hardc0d3r on December 08, 2009, 08:16:37 PM
san kaya ako makakabili ng practice pad with stand na mura? tumingin ako sa jb park square, 3.5k+ e.. bumili ako ng maliit na vic firth.. ok naman kaso hindi ako makakita ng magandang puwesto e.. thanks

there's a practice pad thread in here that might help, search mo lang..
Title: Re: open/close o moeller?
Post by: uglyguy on December 08, 2009, 10:14:47 PM: Quote from: hardc0d3r on December 08, 2009, 09:48:09 AM
di ko macontrol yung bounce ko e.. pero practice!!! practice lang ng practice!!! gagaling din ako..

isa pa palang tanong..gaano po katagal kayo nagpapractice nung baguhan palang kayo?

sir check your grip din po .... baka you need to loosen your grip ng konti ....

nun baguhan ako i practice 2 - 3 hours a day ... now ... wala na hehehehe ... wala nang time ....
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: jzaina16 on December 24, 2009, 07:25:15 PM: agree!!! mabuhay ka bro... :-D
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: josh17 on December 30, 2009, 09:22:34 AM: share ko lang dude try mo bawat isang daliri mo sa left ipalo mo ung isa-isa para ung power nun forearm at un pulse mo lumakas tpos rudiments lang practice araw2 malaking pagbabago mangyayari nun. :D
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: Kumag on January 11, 2010, 09:49:15 AM: wooot! stick control george stone para lahat ng kamay haha
Title: Left handed
Post by: hen8 on March 17, 2010, 09:59:51 AM: hello po, i am from "bassplace" may balak po kasi akong mag aral ng drums. bale kaliwete nga lang ako, may mga drummer din po ba dito na lefty?

any recommendations and skills na maipapayo sa baguhang katulad ko?? hehe!!
salamat sa mag rereply. sana welcome ako dito :-D
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: Riff_6603 on March 17, 2010, 10:16:32 AM: your welcome anytime! btw, used to be right handed, lefty na ako for a year na.. maraming lefty simula pa lang, it's normal! just keep on practicing and practicing hanggang gumaling! madaming mababait na tao dito and helpful topics to get you started! just feel free to learn and share! cheers! :-)
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: peeves24 on March 17, 2010, 10:22:27 AM: lefty din ako pero i play right handed
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: jefisipbata on March 17, 2010, 10:29:56 AM: we also have a bassist sa church, lefty sya pero pag nagbass right-handed. then nag aral sya ng drums, di talaga nya kinaya yung right-handed style, and since hassle pagpalit-palitin yung kit, inaral nya yung left-handed style on a right-handed kit(open-hand style nga ba tawag dun?)

suggest ko is watch papa roach's drummer and yung drummer ni david crowder (sorry yun lang mga kilala kong ganun yung style)
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: paeng16 on March 17, 2010, 10:34:33 AM: kaliwete ka din ba mag BASS??? kaliweta ka din ba mag JACKs?? :lol:

it doesn't make a differance men... and if I wer u... I'd still practice the Right handed kit...

para pag may ka share ka sa drums.... hindi ka lipat ng lipat...

to be brutally frank with you... pare common sense lang naman eh... kung san sa tingin mo mas may advantage ka (like what i said on the 3rd line of this port) eh bahala ka... and that is for you to decide...

Let me return the question to you..

Since your lefty... DID IT MADE A DIFFERENCE PLAYING GUITARS ON YOUR LEFT as lead?? WHAT IS THE ADVANTAGE?? WHAT IS THE DISADVANTAGE...

the way I see it... pa tweetums lang itong post mo men... matanda kana at madami nang buhok yang katawan mo... so hindi bagay na nagpapa tweetums dito dude!! hahaha.. :lol:
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: hen8 on March 17, 2010, 10:36:37 AM: salamat sa pag welcome mga sir

Q: ano pong affordable brand na drumset for beginner 25k po budget ko for practice muna. tapos ipon mode pag may pambili na na branded na gamit, salamat sa reply.
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: hen8 on March 17, 2010, 10:40:51 AM: Quote from: paeng16 on March 17, 2010, 10:34:33 AM
kaliwete ka din ba mag BASS???

it doesn't make a differance men... and if I wer u... I'd still practice the Right handed kit...

para pag may ka share ka sa drums.... hindi ka lipat ng lipat...

right handed ako sa pag bass sir. bale kaya left and gusto kong setting sa pag palo, kasi weak yung right foot and right hand ko.
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: Riff_6603 on March 17, 2010, 10:46:32 AM: Quote from: hen8 on March 17, 2010, 10:36:37 AM
salamat sa pag welcome mga sir

Q: ano pong affordable brand na drumset for beginner 25k po budget ko for practice muna. tapos ipon mode pag may pambili na na branded na gamit, salamat sa reply.

these could help! welcome to the world of drumming! :wink:

First Time Gear Buyer Questions Here!
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,41598.0.html

Drum-Related GAS Shopping Reference Thread
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,34526.0.html

RAON Drum Music Stores thread
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,27156.0.html

and kapag may follow up ka pa na kailangan (for sure meron na existing thread somewhere)

tips on searching pinoydrums / philmusic
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,158872.0.html
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: killikillers on March 17, 2010, 10:50:16 AM: Quote from: hen8 on March 17, 2010, 10:40:51 AM
right handed ako sa pag bass sir. bale kaya left and gusto kong setting sa pag palo, kasi weak yung right foot and right hand ko.

dati rin weak yung left hand pati left foot ko pero makukuha sa practice yan dude.

pero mas maganda mag start kung san ka comfortable.. imo

OT:

sir riff, parang ngayon ko lang napansin na mod ka :lol:
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: Riff_6603 on March 17, 2010, 10:55:30 AM: Quote from: killikillers on March 17, 2010, 10:50:16 AM
OT:

sir riff, parang ngayon ko lang napansin na mod ka :lol:

OT REPLY:

ako man nagulat bro, kaninang 4AM pag log-in ko biglang bumulaga sa akin na mod na ako.. anyways, i'm still good ol' riff! happy to serve! clap! clap! :lol:

teka any other OT questions PM niyo na lang ako! thanks! :wink:
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: daleee on March 17, 2010, 05:08:43 PM: actually i think it's an advantage already, if you're a lefty and decided to play drums right handed. because we right handed players have to strengthen our left hand because it's not what's usually used (hitting the cymbals repetitively), hence, we practice open-handed. eh if you play right handed at least you can easily strengthen it because you will use it more than your left...
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: wireme on March 17, 2010, 06:07:17 PM: Quote from: Riff_66603 on March 17, 2010, 10:55:30 AM
OT REPLY:

ako man nagulat bro, kaninang 4AM pag log-in ko biglang bumulaga sa akin na mod na ako.. anyways, i'm still good ol' riff! happy to serve! clap! clap! :lol:

teka any other OT questions PM niyo na lang ako! thanks! :wink:

OT: you deserve it bro! very helpful ka sa lahat even going out of your way to give links just to help.

back to topic, ako left handed din pero sa right hand setup na din ako nasanay, disadvantage lang is minsan nawawala ako sa chempo kapag mabilis na na kanta dahil mbagal sumunod yung right hand ko. important lang talaga yung practice, walang tigil ako sa pagpractice ng right hand ko para lumakas at bumilis.
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: engot_spears on March 17, 2010, 06:54:44 PM: Lefty din ako.. but pLayed Right handed yung pLaying.. eLibs ako kay Gorden Campbell.. open hand yung styLe nya tas yung ride nya yung naka Lagay sa Stand ng crash cymbal..Ü Watch nyo yung EWF na by request..
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: SAITOHAJIME on March 17, 2010, 11:24:24 PM: Quote from: hen8 on March 17, 2010, 10:40:51 AM
right handed ako sa pag bass sir. bale kaya left and gusto kong setting sa pag palo, kasi weak yung right foot and right hand ko.

Walang kaso yan kung "weak" ang kanan o kaliwa mo. Since starter ka pa lang, all 4 of your limbs will start out weak. You gain strength naman through practice.
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: cheezemonster08 on March 18, 2010, 08:22:31 AM: Quote from: Riff_66603 on March 17, 2010, 10:55:30 AM
OT REPLY:

anyways, i'm still good ol' riff! happy to serve! clap! clap! :lol:

SM? :-D
congrats sir!ngayun ko lang din napansin..

BTT:
meron akong kilalang mga drummer na kaliwete pero right-handed mag-drums.
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: killikillers on March 18, 2010, 08:27:33 AM: parang skateboarding lang yan... magsisimula ka sa stance kung san ka comfortable tapos in time, mag prapratice ka naman sa kabilang stance para magawa yung ibang tricks :lol:
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: hen8 on March 18, 2010, 08:28:52 AM: try ko mag right hand setting. pero as of now kaliwa muna. tnx sa advice mga bro
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: cs_mapper on March 21, 2010, 12:26:23 AM: maganda mag start ka na in right handed set-up para pagdating sa jamming or pwestuhan (gigging) konti na lang aayusin mo sa drums.
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: pii_bulacan on March 21, 2010, 09:04:32 AM: Hindi pa naman masyadong old itong thread na ito... :-D

Paano po yung sinasabing Open Hand Technique?

and how to practice rudiments? and ano ba kaibahan ng RUDIMENTS sa DRUM FILLS?

Im just starting on drums palang kasi eh... Thanks!
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: NiardicA on March 21, 2010, 10:16:06 AM: find the most comfortable position ng sticks sa kamay mo... master that position and most likely you'll get the hang of it.. what the right hand can do the left will follow...

I learned that the hard way... and recently ko lang na-master.. way back I do left sided drum kit set ups, took alot of practice.. now di ko na nagagawa... 10 years ba naman nag stop mag drums..
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: daleee on March 21, 2010, 07:32:27 PM: Quote from: pii_bulacan on March 21, 2010, 09:04:32 AM
Hindi pa naman masyadong old itong thread na ito... :-D

Paano po yung sinasabing Open Hand Technique?

and how to practice rudiments? and ano ba kaibahan ng RUDIMENTS sa DRUM FILLS?

Im just starting on drums palang kasi eh... Thanks!

open hand means you play your hihats with your left hand, snare with your right, in that way, your arms are in open position, rather than crossing it when you play the hats with your right hand...

rudiments are the fundamentals, like single strokes, doubles, triplets and paradiddles, learn more about rudiments here: http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php?topic=23797.0

drum fills are rudiments applied on the drums...
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: nivek518 on March 21, 2010, 07:41:32 PM: try playing with a heavier stick on your left hand. worked for me :-D
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: kssael on March 21, 2010, 08:04:39 PM: Practice blast beats (200 BPM pataas recommended), kahit traditional or alternate. Make sure that hindi ma-ooff-sync ang blasts mo. And DO NOT play open handed blast beats (left hand on cymbals, right hand on snare) because that would defeat the purpose of your left hand blasting on the snare!
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: vhinming on March 21, 2010, 09:44:06 PM: heto sir makakatulong din , Mag Sipilyo Using Left Hand ^_^ hehehe
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: ladydrummer on March 22, 2010, 04:46:01 PM: i use this exercise atleast 20 minutes everyday, to strengthen "the weaker side" which is yung left hand:

*capital letter = accented

singles: (combining accented and non-accented strokes)
8's L l L l L l L l L l L l L l L l , l L l L l L l L l L l L l L l L
7's L l L l L l L l L l L l L l , l L l L l L l L l L l L l L
6's L l L l L l L l L l L l , l L l L l L l L l L l L
5's L l L l L l L l L l , l L l L l L l L l L
4's L l L l L l L l , l L l L l L l L
3's L l L l L l , l L l L l L
2's L l L l , l L l L
1's L l , l L
then start way back up (1's, 2's, 3's, ..... 8's)

triplets:
rLL rLL rLL rLL

paradiddle-diddle (switching accents on all left notes):
Lrllrr, Lrllrr, Lrllrr, Lrllrr
lrLlrr, lrLlrr, lrLlrr, lrLlrr,
lrlLrr, lrlLrr, lrlLrr, lrlLrr
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: mutiny on March 23, 2010, 10:24:17 AM: im a left handed too .i play for miguel escueta, grassroots ,dacapo and used to play also for southerngrass,flying rat ass,artstrong ,kaya no worried~!go out and play..check my studio @
SOUTHERN MUSICIAN STUDIO LOUNGE 106 DONA SOLIDAD AVE BETTER LIVING SUBD.
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: engot_spears on March 23, 2010, 12:02:03 PM: @mutiny
ninong roy? is that you? teban 2.
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: gido on March 23, 2010, 12:21:52 PM: nagkapag turo ako ng mga batang nag aral ng drums na left handed.. kaya lang pinilit ko talaga silang maging right handed sila din kasi mahihirapan balang araw pag tumugtog sila na ang set up is right hand.. madami din akong kilalang open handed na drummer like si carter beauford... kung ako sayo ung setup ni carter beauford ng dave mathews ung gayahin mo.. kasi madaming advanteges ng open handed tulad nya...
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: hen8 on March 23, 2010, 04:11:50 PM: yap time management din ang problema. pag sa left ako huhu!!
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: cheng on March 31, 2010, 03:59:17 PM: Im a female drummer also lefty I usedd to play mostly in variety group so mostly may 16beat or 32 mejo nahirapan ako sa snare pero ayos lng carry lng naremjohan naman khit papanu..basta kng saan ka kumportable go for it hehehe..
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: hen8 on March 31, 2010, 06:31:42 PM: Quote from: cheng on March 31, 2010, 03:59:17 PM
Im a female drummer also lefty I usedd to play mostly in variety group so mostly may 16beat or 32 mejo nahirapan ako sa snare pero ayos lng carry lng naremjohan naman khit papanu..basta kng saan ka kumportable go for it hehehe..

tnx. cheng, so you play for left settings too? any recommendation for time management? tipong pag ayos ng gamit sa gig hehe! :-)
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: cheng on March 31, 2010, 09:33:31 PM: hehehe hindi po eh mostly kc set up ng mga bars right settings eh kaya ala ako magawa but somehow sanay naman ako sa right settings...
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: deaths on April 03, 2010, 10:10:38 AM: Quote
heto sir makakatulong din , Mag Sipilyo Using Left Hand ^_^ hehehe

may improvement dyan ahahahaha +1..
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: mambo on April 03, 2010, 04:09:48 PM: Quote from: ladydrummer on March 22, 2010, 04:46:01 PM
i use this exercise atleast 20 minutes everyday, to strengthen "the weaker side" which is yung left hand:

*capital letter = accented

singles: (combining accented and non-accented strokes)
8's L l L l L l L l L l L l L l L l , l L l L l L l L l L l L l L l L
7's L l L l L l L l L l L l L l , l L l L l L l L l L l L l L
6's L l L l L l L l L l L l , l L l L l L l L l L l L
5's L l L l L l L l L l , l L l L l L l L l L
4's L l L l L l L l , l L l L l L l L
3's L l L l L l , l L l L l L
2's L l L l , l L l L
1's L l , l L
then start way back up (1's, 2's, 3's, ..... 8's)

triplets:
rLL rLL rLL rLL

paradiddle-diddle (switching accents on all left notes):
Lrllrr, Lrllrr, Lrllrr, Lrllrr
lrLlrr, lrLlrr, lrLlrr, lrLlrr,
lrlLrr, lrlLrr, lrlLrr, lrlLrr

this actually may work!! good one.. practisin ko rin to
thanks
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: hen8 on April 23, 2010, 11:23:27 AM: hello po, UP ko lang.

may question po me, recommendahan niyo nga po ako ng lefthanded na drummer? para mag karoon ako ng ideas at techniques. TIA :-D
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: paeng16 on April 23, 2010, 11:54:46 AM: yung drummer na pumalit kay Jeff Porcaro (TOTO)... yun... kaliwete yun..

anyways... parehas din naman yan... kahit mga righty drummer pa gayahin mo yun din naman yun... (Ikaw kasi pina ninindigan mo pagka lefty mo!! now yan yung drawback nyan!!) hahahah..
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: cheng on April 23, 2010, 12:45:17 PM: I am drummer lefthanded ako pero sanay ako sa right set up ng drums..hehehe sa pagdadala lng yan ang importante komportable ka..
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: y2jae21 on April 23, 2010, 12:56:43 PM: Quote from: paeng16 on April 23, 2010, 11:54:46 AM
yung drummer na pumalit kay Jeff Porcaro (TOTO)... yun... kaliwete yun..

anyways... parehas din naman yan... kahit mga righty drummer pa gayahin mo yun din naman yun... (Ikaw kasi pina ninindigan mo pagka lefty mo!! now yan yung drawback nyan!!) hahahah..

Simon Philips :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: pauldavid_7 on April 23, 2010, 01:14:25 PM: Left handed but sanay ako sa right hand set up sa drums :D no worries naman yan. sanayan lang tama si kuya kill para ngang skateboard yan :-)
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: bobot63t on April 23, 2010, 05:48:53 PM: ako kaliwete din. pag may mga gig lipat lang din. wala pang 5 mins. :)
natutuwa ako kay phil collins dati kasi lefty din yun.
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: hen8 on April 24, 2010, 09:36:46 AM: ok po. salamat sa advice. :-D
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: Kumag on June 14, 2010, 04:00:09 PM: Quote from: vhinming on March 21, 2010, 09:44:06 PM
heto sir makakatulong din , Mag Sipilyo Using Left Hand ^_^ hehehe

haha tama yan eh magbuhat ka din gamit ang left hand mo basta lahat na karaniwan ginagawa mo sa right eh try mo sa left din +1 ,
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: kispirin21 on June 14, 2010, 04:33:39 PM: Quote from: ladydrummer on March 22, 2010, 04:46:01 PM
i use this exercise atleast 20 minutes everyday, to strengthen "the weaker side" which is yung left hand:

*capital letter = accented

singles: (combining accented and non-accented strokes)
8's L l L l L l L l L l L l L l L l , l L l L l L l L l L l L l L l L
7's L l L l L l L l L l L l L l , l L l L l L l L l L l L l L
6's L l L l L l L l L l L l , l L l L l L l L l L l L
5's L l L l L l L l L l , l L l L l L l L l L
4's L l L l L l L l , l L l L l L l L
3's L l L l L l , l L l L l L
2's L l L l , l L l L
1's L l , l L
then start way back up (1's, 2's, 3's, ..... 8's)

triplets:
rLL rLL rLL rLL

paradiddle-diddle (switching accents on all left notes):
Lrllrr, Lrllrr, Lrllrr, Lrllrr
lrLlrr, lrLlrr, lrLlrr, lrLlrr,
lrlLrr, lrlLrr, lrlLrr, lrlLrr

Eto magandang exercise, i'm still doing this everyday. Not only to practice your left hand but to practice accenting and paradiddles nadin.

I watched something also about Japanese Kodo Drummers (Heartbeat Drummers) They always use their left hand (or which is weaker) so they can be ambidextrous.

Good luck satin bro I'm also at this! :-D
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: mahikawon666 on June 21, 2010, 11:01:27 AM: Quote from: ladydrummer on March 22, 2010, 04:46:01 PM
i use this exercise atleast 20 minutes everyday, to strengthen "the weaker side" which is yung left hand:

*capital letter = accented

singles: (combining accented and non-accented strokes)
8's L l L l L l L l L l L l L l L l , l L l L l L l L l L l L l L l L
7's L l L l L l L l L l L l L l , l L l L l L l L l L l L l L
6's L l L l L l L l L l L l , l L l L l L l L l L l L
5's L l L l L l L l L l , l L l L l L l L l L
4's L l L l L l L l , l L l L l L l L
3's L l L l L l , l L l L l L
2's L l L l , l L l L
1's L l , l L
then start way back up (1's, 2's, 3's, ..... 8's)

triplets:
rLL rLL rLL rLL

paradiddle-diddle (switching accents on all left notes):
Lrllrr, Lrllrr, Lrllrr, Lrllrr
lrLlrr, lrLlrr, lrLlrr, lrLlrr,
lrlLrr, lrlLrr, lrlLrr, lrlLrr
magandang practice eto,wrist,hands,fingers using the left,
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: inkchi on July 18, 2010, 05:15:27 PM: TRY MO GAWING LEFT HANDED UNG DRUM SET MO SIR...

ilagay mo sa kanan ung hihat mo then other corresponding drum kits ^^

try mo lng...

mapapraktis din ung left foot mo o dba?!
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: vhinming on July 18, 2010, 08:32:26 PM: hehe after mag Sipilyo using left hand

♦mag suklay
♦pag naliligo using "tabo"
♦mag dribble "basketball"
♦mag paypay
♦mag chopstick

Lahat yan using left hand

in short all necessary na ginagawa ng right iparanas sa left hehe
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: daleee on July 18, 2010, 08:46:53 PM: para sa mga naghahanap pa ng exercise para sa left hand, try niyong gawin yung ginagawa ni Tony Royster Jr. as warm-up:

at 2:20
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: toybitz on July 28, 2010, 05:39:00 AM: live with your left hand like you do with your right.

siya ang pambuhat mo ng mabigat, pansipilyo, pangkain, panglinis ng kotse, panghugas ng pwit...
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: paeng16 on July 30, 2010, 03:06:20 PM: Quote from: vhinming on March 21, 2010, 09:44:06 PM
heto sir makakatulong din , Mag Sipilyo Using Left Hand ^_^ hehehe

OHHHH SSSHHH-TTTT!!!! This is one of the best advices I've ever heard!!! IDOL kita dude!!! hindi lang left hand speed ma develop dito!!! hahahahahha
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: ME-30maniac on March 06, 2011, 01:41:48 AM: left-handed din ako sir. pero nasanay ako sa right-handed drumming. thanks to air drumming. haha

nabanggit mo sir na right-handed ka pag nagbe-bass, tingin ko mas dominant 'yung right hand mo kaya pwedeng right-handed ka mag-drums. sa rolling na lang magkakaiba. either mag-start ka sa mag-roll sa kaliwa o sa kanan. kung san ka komportable, dapat 'yun ang i-apply mo sir para hindi masyadong hassle.

sana nakatulong 'yung pag-post ko sa thread na 'to sir. :-)
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: cholok3 on March 11, 2011, 02:47:48 AM: waaaaaaaaaa! bakit ngayon ko lng nakita to.? hahahaha!
wakali din ako man! :-D

BTW. try mo mag open hand. kaliwete pero kanan set-up. ung ride mo sa kaliwa crash sa kanan. \m/
napaka daming advantage. :-D

pero mas maporma pumalo ung kaninete. :lol:
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: hen8 on March 11, 2011, 12:03:55 PM: ako, from lefthand to righthand setting ,, yung adjustment ko is .. yung lefthand ko sa hi-hats pumapalo while yung right hand ko sa snare ,, nakakalito sa una pero practice lang .. makukuha din agad "PATIENCE" is the KEY :wink:
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: pedaldeaf3 on March 15, 2011, 04:16:47 AM: Left handed din ako, I started out from guitars right handed...
Then switched to drums, 3yrs and running on a right hand setup...
It helps din to play lefty kase di ako hirap magturo ng drums sa iba...
Though a little more time consuming it helps me playing from both sides...
It gives me flexibility to play right hand, left hand & open handed drumming... :-D
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: kopos on March 15, 2011, 07:40:40 PM: Si Dom Howard ng Muse lefty rin. Hahaha idol yun :lol:
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: thunder_god on March 16, 2011, 12:33:10 AM: Dom Famularo is not really a lefty but plays open handed drumming...
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: drumphonium on March 17, 2011, 11:52:17 AM: ako ginagawa ko is puro 8 notes lang! pero effective! i mean 1st note accent 2nd note tap naman! paulit ulit lang! hanggang sa nangalay ako! lol ayun nagpantay yung 2 hands ko! araw araw ko ginagawa yan noon! =) effective sakin at sa mga students ko!
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: pedaldeaf3 on March 17, 2011, 04:50:39 PM: Left handed ako eh...
Matesting nga sa right...
Title: Re: Left handed
Post by: drumachine on March 25, 2011, 12:56:44 PM: i'm also a left handed drummer. what i do is the open hand technique ever since i played drums. my setup is just the same as usual setup. I'm much comfortable with that. hassle kasi sa gigs if you'd change the setup set after set. hehe.

search for some Carter Beauford (Dave Matthews band) vids. he's also an open handed drummer... :wink:
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: kelzkie on April 08, 2011, 11:33:49 AM: Quote from: vhinming on July 18, 2010, 08:32:26 PM
hehe after mag Sipilyo using left hand

♦mag suklay
♦pag naliligo using "tabo"
♦mag dribble "basketball"
♦mag paypay
♦mag chopstick

Lahat yan using left hand

in short all necessary na ginagawa ng right iparanas sa left hehe

nataw ko dun sa magsipilyo :-D
-pero totoo lahat to.. na-try ko to dati, maganda result :-D
Title: Re: Exercises for the left hand
Post by: pedaldeaf3 on April 10, 2011, 01:22:33 AM: Quote from: ladydrummer on March 22, 2010, 04:46:01 PM
i use this exercise atleast 20 minutes everyday, to strengthen "the weaker side" which is yung left hand:

*capital letter = accented

singles: (combining accented and non-accented strokes)
8's L l L l L l L l L l L l L l L l , l L l L l L l L l L l L l L l L
7's L l L l L l L l L l L l L l , l L l L l L l L l L l L l L
6's L l L l L l L l L l L l , l L l L l L l L l L l L
5's L l L l L l L l L l , l L l L l L l L l L
4's L l L l L l L l , l L l L l L l L
3's L l L l L l , l L l L l L
2's L l L l , l L l L
1's L l , l L
then start way back up (1's, 2's, 3's, ..... 8's)

triplets:
rLL rLL rLL rLL

paradiddle-diddle (switching accents on all left notes):
Lrllrr, Lrllrr, Lrllrr, Lrllrr
lrLlrr, lrLlrr, lrLlrr, lrLlrr,
lrlLrr, lrlLrr, lrlLrr, lrlLrr

In-edit ko to since I'm left handed, changed all "L" & "l" to "R" & "r"...
I'm getting pissed at my right hand not hitting as clear as my left...
Pati yung sa hand grip changes ko during playing & after playing... :x

Quote from: vhinming on July 18, 2010, 08:32:26 PM
hehe after mag Sipilyo using left hand

♦mag suklay
♦pag naliligo using "tabo"
♦mag dribble "basketball"
♦mag paypay
♦mag chopstick

Lahat yan using left hand

in short all necessary na ginagawa ng right iparanas sa left hehe

Eto ma-testing nga, pagsing mamaya straight to a whole week...
Kung sinabi mong "magsulat" aayaw na agad ako eh... :-D
Title: Re: need help improving my left hand speed.
Post by: ishen006 on July 08, 2011, 06:24:37 PM: praktis lang ng rudiments using your left hand as lead(kung left ang mahina)vversa,
:-D
Title: Re: need help improving my left hand speed.
Post by: dreendroid on July 08, 2011, 09:43:50 PM: Dunno about you guys pero just try this.... I do rudiments pagnasa school naman or kahit saan u know with tapping. hehe :wink:

But for me, I just simply did a lot of blastbeats and gravity blasts with my left hand dahil dati, lagi na lang right hand ko ang gumgwa ng mga un kpag sa mga parts ng songs. So un nga, bumilis at napakacontrolable pa/na ng left hand ko. Problema lang ay...parang humina un control ng right hand ko for blast beats and gravity blasts pero worth it naman! Dahil maskailangan ko un ganto :-D My right hand is now more useful :evil:

pls avoid text speak PLEASE - mod
Title: Re: need help improving my left hand speed.
Post by: empire1 on July 12, 2011, 03:20:59 PM: watch 30 Days To Better Hands by Johnny Rabb (now showing!) :-D
Title: Re: need help improving my left hand speed.
Post by: sakurano on July 20, 2011, 07:20:49 PM: kumuha ka ng tabla or kahoy na ang lapad nya ay isang dangkal, tpos ung taba nya nmn 1 inch or nasa sayo na un.
tpos kmuha k ng mouse pad? or interior anything na (makakapag pabawas ng bounce pag pumapalo ka) tpos dikit mo sa tabla.
tpos praktis k ng finger technique. or any technique n nag re require sa both hands mo. kunwarri, flam, or paradiddle, or finger technique as i mention earlier. yan. tpos, masasanay ka sa hindi masyadong matalbog tabla, tpos pag palo mo s snare easy nlng sayo kse mas mahirap mag patalbog sa talba kesa s snare eh ^^

pls avoid text speak - mod
Title: Traditional Grip On Left Hand
Post by: Drummeroo on June 22, 2012, 01:37:44 AM: kung may thread na na ganito paki-delete nalang ito.

BTW. any tips po on how to develop my trad grip sa left hand? gusto ko matutunan pero ang hirap, masakit sa muscle. :-D
Title: Re: Grip Technique thread
Post by: red_cross_stix on June 22, 2012, 03:40:33 PM: As long as you're comfy with any, go for any grip. 2 cents. :)
Title: Re: Traditional Grip On Left Hand
Post by: jeff_proX40 on June 22, 2012, 10:19:55 PM: Quote from: Iyan on June 22, 2012, 01:37:44 AM
kung may thread na na ganito paki-delete nalang ito.

BTW. any tips po on how to develop my trad grip sa left hand? gusto ko matutunan pero ang hirap, masakit sa muscle. :-D

Pre manuorin mo yung Dave Weckl Evolution. Magandang instructional video for trad grip practice and sticking.
Title: Hand Technique
Post by: zwischenzug on October 07, 2013, 11:47:32 AM: Discussion of anything relating to hand technique (mods pa-delete/merge nalang kung may topic na regarding this, so far foot technique palang nakikita ko, hehe).

Regarding fulcrum, index+thumb (matched grip) ang nakasanayan ko from the start. Lately tinry ko yung middle finger+thumb, mas relax at mas nagbabounce talaga yung stick yun nga lang di pa masyado sanay, hehe. Kayo ba saan yung fulcrum ninyo or do you switch depending on the mood or genre you're playing?
Title: Balance Right & Left Hands
Post by: Peter on October 27, 2013, 04:24:03 PM: Mga Sirs, Naobserve ko lang kasi parang hindi balance right at left hand ko. Mas may control ako sa right hand ko kesa sa left hand. like kapag during single stroke roll, kapag medyo mahabang roll naninigas yung left hand ko. tapos parang nagiiba yung direction ng sticks na parang nasslant unlike sa right hand na derecho lang sa head.
Normal lang ba sya kasi right handed ako. May mga recommended routine ba para macorrect to. TIA.
Title: Re: Balance Right & Left Hands
Post by: Akira JUMBO on October 28, 2013, 01:30:37 AM: Yes it is normal. You just need to exert more activities into your weaker hand as to develop muscle and movement. Common sense really, increase the amount of exercises done on your left hand than the right; no specific routine is needed.