Hand/Grip Technique Thread *merged*

[drummer_boy17]

dapat masanay ka sa lahat ng music genre.. kasi bawat genre iba ang style of playing.. wag ka lang dumipende sa iisa..

[peeves24]

Mga tol, may mga nakikita akong drummer na they have full control of the stick:
- galing mag accent at maghina
- dinidiin nila ung stix nila pero mahina pa rin ang tunog

how do they do it?

buzz roll...punta ka sa mini EB ngayong sabado...maraming magtuturo sa yo nun

[vincher]

get the books stick control and accents and rebounds by george stone. or future sounds ni david garibaldi

[blitzkrieg]

a newbie question from an absolute newbie 

when watching weckl's and igoe's lesson on grip, napansin ko na kay igoe, yung thumb nya medyo sideways and pallm down when he's doing the 4 and 16 demo excercises sa table. kay weckl naman, in-emphasize nya na dapat firm yung grip at dapat facing upward yung thumb to get more stick control.

my question is iba ba ang ideal grip sa hi-hat compared sa snare? what's the ideal grip? although parang mas maganda nga ang grip na tinuturo ni weckl, medyo kailangan talaga muna mag-build ng strength bago magawa.

[kert]

a suggestion from a newbie too, d ba 2 kinds of grip meron ung traditional at matched ung sa matched para sa akin ay mag-imagine ka na may ibon as in bird sa kamay mo pag masyadong mahigpit ung hawak mo eh d deds ang ibon pag masyadong maluwag eh d makakalipad sa matched kc d ba ang fulcrum nun sa thumb at pointy finger kasi habang bumibilis ka ng palo d mo namamalayan nagagawa mo na ung thumb mo ay medyo sideways parang automatic na nangyayari un subukan panoorin ung kay jim chapin speed,power,endurance inexplain ung mga grip tungkol naman sa grip sa snare at hi-hat para sa akin i use both traditional grip.... d kya sinasabi mong palm down at sideways ung thumb ay moeller technique?? hope that helps

[l_e_i_g_h]

Naku...depende yan sayo...alin ba ang trip mo..at alin yung mas comporta-ble sayo. 

kung trip mo...pareho...eh di okay din! hehehe. 

a newbie question from an absolute newbie 

when watching weckl's and igoe's lesson on grip, napansin ko na kay igoe, yung thumb nya medyo sideways and pallm down when he's doing the 4 and 16 demo excercises sa table. kay weckl naman, in-emphasize nya na dapat firm yung grip at dapat facing upward yung thumb to get more stick control.

my question is iba ba ang ideal grip sa hi-hat compared sa snare? what's the ideal grip? although parang mas maganda nga ang grip na tinuturo ni weckl, medyo kailangan talaga muna mag-build ng strength bago magawa.

[pyong_2]

ako hanggang ngayon dinidiskubre ko pa rin yan kasi napakaraming grip talaga meron ngang iba magkaiba yung grip sa kaliwat kanan....for example open handed tapos yung kaliwa naman palm down yung iba naman baliktad....so siguro saan ka magiging komportable hehehehe....GodBless

[legnacilyz]

i play trad grip but i switch to Matched too paminsan minsan.. can anybody give me some exercises on trad grip? gusto ko kasing mamaximize gamit ko dun eh.. thanks!!!

cheers!!!

[Miggleness]

i think the question was about the french (taas yung finger), german (palm down), and american ( in-between) grip ng matched grip.

parang pinaka-ok yung french grip for control para sa akin, kaso ang sakit sa thumb. nanggigil ata ako.  madami kuno  nagrerecommend ng french sa pag-play ng ride

[dictatone]

palm down my friend, bec you dont want to hurt yourself like the drummer of CHICAGO. but iba na usapan kpag nag "swing kna sa ride" kasefinger control na un. look and jazz artist kpag nag swiswing sila sa ride nila.

i think palm down is the most appropriate, why? eto experiiment- itaas mo kamay mo parang nka panatang makabayan. 2) relax and let the gravity pull down your palm. kung pano siya bumagsak, that same motion dapat i-apply mo sa drums kase thats how our wrist works. kung iibahin mo motion(natural na kilos) niyan u might hurt yourself. ENJOY!!!

[toybitz]

my suggestion is to try practicing single or double strokes.

whichever makes you feel comfortable, relax and efficient..then stick to it.

in other words, study what grip works best for you.

[Bammbamm]

ako hanggang ngayon dinidiskubre ko pa rin yan kasi napakaraming grip talaga meron ngang iba magkaiba yung grip sa kaliwat kanan....for example open handed tapos yung kaliwa naman palm down yung iba naman baliktad....so siguro saan ka magiging komportable hehehehe....GodBless

Correct!

Walang rules dyan! Si Tony Williams nga yung pinkie at ring fingers ang gamit nyang grip e.Si Carmine Appice naman sa gitna,parang naka dirty finger!

Hanap ka ng Video ni Steve Smith, kung me 2.5 to 3K ka magkakaroon ka ng original copy
PM mo ko...ano?

[daemonite]

It's all about how you are comfortable with the stick. Bahala ka na dun, if you think you can play great with the traditional grip, fine. pero most common na ang matched grip players sa atin. I can play trad grip but not for long. di pa ako sanay eh. mas fully function ang arms ko sa matched grip.  fluid talaga sya para sa akin

[legnacilyz]

sorry for slight OT on my question about exercise for Trad Grip..  I missed reading  blitskreig's question on igoe and weckkl's grip is about their right hand..   peace!  And tama si sir daemonite, It's all about how you are comfortable with the stick!

cheers!!!

[Gep]

palm down my friend, bec you dont want to hurt yourself like the drummer of CHICAGO. but iba na usapan kpag nag "swing kna sa ride" kasefinger control na un. look and jazz artist kpag nag swiswing sila sa ride nila.

i think palm down is the most appropriate, why? eto experiiment- itaas mo kamay mo parang nka panatang makabayan. 2) relax and let the gravity pull down your palm. kung pano siya bumagsak, that same motion dapat i-apply mo sa drums kase thats how our wrist works. kung iibahin mo motion(natural na kilos) niyan u might hurt yourself. ENJOY!!!

Yup, sa matched grip dapat kaalinsabay sa natural movement ng wrist.
Pero yung ibang drummers na power players at sa arm ang main movement, nakalock ang wrist nila kaya sideways pa rin.

[intake]

@topic
pede ba mag rimshot kapag naka trad grip? 

yup pwede  pero kailangan mo taasan yung height nung snare..
diba karaniwan yung height nung snare kapantay nung hip?
tinataasan ko ng konti dahil mahirap talaga mag rimshot pag ganun kababa (sakin ha  )
dati kasi nakatabingi nako pag tumutugtog dahil sa trad grip..naghahanap ako ng rimshot 
sabi nga ng teacher ko "wag ka mag papauto sa drums mo, sayo yun eh! i-adjust mo"

hehehe 

nga pala..pag naka trad ako..may konting circular motion yung wrist ko...dahil pag diretso ang palo ko...hihilihin ko pa yung stick pataas, unlike kung paikot diba? 

@bammbamm - anong grip gamit ni carmine appice? para din akong naka dirty finger paga naka trad eh hahaha!

dun sa paggamit ko ng grip, depende yun sa tutugtugin ko..trad pag mahina at kung gusto ko pino yung palo ko sa snare, matched pag maingay na yung tugtugan  matched din ako pag gusto ko na medyo malakas yung ghost notes...German din ang gamit ko (wrist facing down), dun kasi ako sanay eh! 

[pyong_2]

billy cobham ...anong grip ang gamit french ba?

[blitzkrieg]

let me thank all the drum gurus who provided this enlightenment  

so there's no ideal grip pala, as long as its safe and it wont cause long term injury, pwedeng praktisin.

personally, i go for french, i've been practicing weckl's technique for at least 5 mins a day lang. after three weeks, i gained more stick control when doing fills.

OT, just one quick question: ano ba yung drum lick? or is there such a technique? i want to try it sana the way i understand it pero parang nakakahiya, baka pagtawanan ako. hehehe.

[drumster]

let me thank all the drum gurus who provided this enlightenment  

OT, just one quick question: ano ba yung drum lick? or is there such a technique? i want to try it sana the way i understand it pero parang nakakahiya, baka pagtawanan ako. hehehe.

Lick... It's a term used by musicians, and these refer to musical phrases, patterns or a series of notes which make up a great musical part.  Hence, we talk, share and learn about drum licks, guitar licks, bass licks, etc.

For example, if we use it in a conversation...  Jeff Porcaro's Rosanna shuffle groove, John Bonham's drum intro on Rock & Roll, Neil Peart's killer fill-ins on Tom Sawyer... These are great drum licks!

A more detailed definition of lick --- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lick_%28music%29 .

[Gep]

Ang bagal ng kamay ko kumpara sa right hand at right foot ko.
Pag sinusubukan ko mag-blast beat, nahuhuli ang left hand ko after 8 strokes.

Ano ba ang magandang exercise para bumilis ang left hand ko?

Kasi maliban sa single stroke at double strokes (na pinagtutuunan ko ng pansin ngayon), ginagawa ko yung LLR ng paulit-ulit.

Any suggestions?

[jpmb]

heeeeya gep..how are you.......

well the thing you are experiencing is normal, this happens to a lot of drummers..that includes me...

i aint no drum wizard and i know i have my own weak points too, just like any other drummers do..to help you more with your question, the name of the game now is how you eliminate those weak points...

the LLR you've mentioned is a nice excercise...just keep on practicin that and i suggest make it reserve sometimes make it RLL...try to play open handed too..make your left hand as your main arm..its was Dom Famularo who strongly influenced me with that...well its hard at first but its all worth it..haha..

practice makes perfect man, keep on doin that and always stay motivated..cheers

[peeves24]

be patient grasshopper...

kung fu is the only way

heeeeyaaa!

[prjm14]

be patient grasshopper...

kung fu is the only way

heeeeyaaa!

haha..

sabi sakin ng prof ko dapat everytime na magpapractice ka ng sticking doble dapat sa left hand..

parang:
RRRR LLLL LLLL
RRR LLL LLL

parang ganyan.. heheh
tsaka constant practice talaga.. it works!

[Kin]

I think na very normal lang na weak ang left hand mo if you're born right handed (weak right-hand for those left handed) for obvious reasons, since you we're little, right hand ang lagi mong gamit so naiwan sa development ang left hand mo. I don't recall where I read this but when Carter Beauford was starting he said that in order for his left hand to keep up with his right hand, he utilizes his left hand what his right hand usually does. Pag-kumakain siya nasa left hand niya ang spoon, the remote is always on his left hand, etc.
But nothing still beats good old practice. Tuloy lang ang practice. What goes with your right hand also goes with your left.

[peeves24]

i will make your kung-fu strong!