Is it OK to sell DIY clones?

[free2rock]

this is a false assumption lagi ng mga gustong magpabuo ng pedals. "sa yo na lang ako papagawa ng toobskrimer, mas mura yun diba?" my response has been "get a j0yo na lang pare, mas mura yun." actually, having HAND-MADE pedals is way more taxing sa katawan ng builder. time, effort, hours of testing, designing the project, actually building it, and replying to consumer queries no matter how unrelated to the build in question, those take time.

Sounds familiar... LOL

[Musikerochan]

Sounds familiar... LOL

hehe, some folks here sa place namin do think that clones are cheaper. when i explain the process bago ako magbuo, masaya ako when they understand my point. pag hindi, well, they cant force me to, nor will i heed their request lalo na kung tipong nakakaaburido yung request ("gawan mo nga ako ng OD so-and-so, pero wag ka na maglagay ng brand mo ha, eto ilagay mo, Sh|tname FX").

ni wala man lang pakiusap. pa-facepalm nga jan hehehe. ok sana kung nakikiusap, pero yung tipong nagko-command na tipong underling ka nya sa trabaho, umuusok ang tenga ko. di ko na ginagawa hehehe.

[quaternotetriplet]

hehe, some folks here sa place namin do think that clones are cheaper. when i explain the process bago ako magbuo, masaya ako when they understand my point. pag hindi, well, they cant force me to, nor will i heed their request lalo na kung tipong nakakaaburido yung request ("gawan mo nga ako ng OD so-and-so, pero wag ka na maglagay ng brand mo ha, eto ilagay mo, Sh|tname FX").

ni wala man lang pakiusap. pa-facepalm nga jan hehehe. ok sana kung nakikiusap, pero yung tipong nagko-command na tipong underling ka nya sa trabaho, umuusok ang tenga ko. di ko na ginagawa hehehe.

Zab for the win.

[kawayan_strat]

hehe, some folks here sa place namin do think that clones are cheaper. when i explain the process bago ako magbuo, masaya ako when they understand my point. pag hindi, well, they cant force me to, nor will i heed their request lalo na kung tipong nakakaaburido yung request ("gawan mo nga ako ng OD so-and-so, pero wag ka na maglagay ng brand mo ha, eto ilagay mo, Sh|tname FX").

ni wala man lang pakiusap. pa-facepalm nga jan hehehe. ok sana kung nakikiusap, pero yung tipong nagko-command na tipong underling ka nya sa trabaho, umuusok ang tenga ko. di ko na ginagawa hehehe.

Sounds familiar......tapos gusto mas mura kaysa retail price, para maka mark-up ng husto?hahahaha

[Beatle]

Clones are a way for us simple folk and mortals to at least get as close as we can to the tone were looking for.

Paint chip close is better than just settling for what you can get with your gear.

[Musikerochan]

Sounds familiar......tapos gusto mas mura kaysa retail price, para maka mark-up ng husto?hahahaha

hehehe, di naman. he wanted a "signature" pedal, but wanted no trace of my identity/touch on it. ok, gave in once, but the second time proved to me that he is being an @$$ na.

di ko kilala yang mark-up boy na yan ah hehehe.

[narmario17]

New member lang mga boss. Haha.

For me, yung paggawa ng clones and re-selling them, against talaga sa batas. Pero para sa bansang tulad natin na hindi naman ganoon kayaman, talagang nagawa nalang tayo ng paraan para magkaroon ng same sound sa mga international na pedals. Pero mas ayos siguro para kung sa sarili mo lang. hehe

Anyways, I'm now designing/modifying certain pedals already out in the market. Mas ok na to kaysa sa kopyahin talaga. For example, nagawa po ako ng clone ng Shredhead with presence knob pero nilagyan ko po sya ng clipping selections (LED, Silicon diode, Germanium diode, etc.) tapos may iniba po akong ibang capacitors para mas ok ung output. I use Multisim Design Softwarehabang nasa design phase palang ako. Sobrang dali na tuloy sakin para magdesign. Hahaha.


Ciao fellow philmusicians!

[pie-key]

New member lang mga boss. Haha.

For me, yung paggawa ng clones and re-selling them, against talaga sa batas. Pero para sa bansang tulad natin na hindi naman ganoon kayaman, talagang nagawa nalang tayo ng paraan para magkaroon ng same sound sa mga international na pedals. Pero mas ayos siguro para kung sa sarili mo lang. hehe

Anyways, I'm now designing/modifying certain pedals already out in the market. Mas ok na to kaysa sa kopyahin talaga. For example, nagawa po ako ng clone ng Shredhead with presence knob pero nilagyan ko po sya ng clipping selections (LED, Silicon diode, Germanium diode, etc.) tapos may iniba po akong ibang capacitors para mas ok ung output. I use Multisim Design Softwarehabang nasa design phase palang ako. Sobrang dali na tuloy sakin para magdesign. Hahaha.


Ciao fellow philmusicians!

already present in it's origin. MI Audio CrunchBox Version 2

[Poundcake]

How are your projects coming along, guys? I hope may mga bago kayong original builds. Let's test 'em soon. Part of our agenda in the near future is to hold different PhilMusic-sanctioned workshops/seminars and I'm pushing for a pedal designing workshop/exhibit to be included. A series of workshops, even. Kayo ang magiging bida sa event na yun, so do your best!

[stompmoko]

How are your projects coming along, guys? I hope may mga bago kayong original builds. Let's test 'em soon. Part of our agenda in the near future is to hold different PhilMusic-sanctioned workshops/seminars and I'm pushing for a pedal designing workshop/exhibit to be included. A series of workshops, even. Kayo ang magiging bida sa event na yun, so do your best!

+1

i wanna see and hear them new pedals, nakakasawa na yung mga clone + konting tweaks, by konti i mean "konti"

[Wampler Pedals]

I've just been emailed that this thread is active again... Just wanted to say Hi and hope you are all well... 

[Rmansh]

I've just been emailed that this thread is active again... Just wanted to say Hi and hope you are all well... 

how are you jason? got any pics from NAMM?

[Wampler Pedals]

Loads on my personal facebook page 

[narmario17]

already present in it's origin. MI Audio CrunchBox Version 2

I'm not sure sir. Ang alam ko lang na bago sa Crunchbox V.2 is yung Presence Knob nga tsaka yung fix nila sa Volume pot na naging issue dun sa V.1. The clipping control I'm saying is like dun sa ginawa ni Sir Jmwreck dun sa recent overdrive na ginawa nya nung nasa SG na sya. Pero it doesn't matter to me na naman. At least i know for my self na ako mismo yung ng-add nung mga dinagdag ko. Haha.

Sana nga po at may mga makapag-design na mga pinoy ng mga Original Circuits and Effects. Para matuloy yung balak ng mga mods na seminar/fair ng mga philmusicians.

Salute sa pinoy musicians/enthusiasts!

[pie-key]

How are your projects coming along, guys? I hope may mga bago kayong original builds. Let's test 'em soon. Part of our agenda in the near future is to hold different PhilMusic-sanctioned workshops/seminars and I'm pushing for a pedal designing workshop/exhibit to be included. A series of workshops, even. Kayo ang magiging bida sa event na yun, so do your best!

Im excited for this. I wanna showcase my builds someday.

@Wampler Pedals

Woah! jason of wampler?!! philmusic just got international.. Nice

[Wampler Pedals]

Im excited for this. I wanna showcase my builds someday.

@Wampler Pedals

Woah! jason of wampler?!! philmusic just got international.. Nice

 

I've been a member here for a while, we have a good relationship with our distributor here and also a couple of great endorsed artists in Fidel and Brian so I like to stalk around! 

[nickson]

I've been a member here for a while, we have a good relationship with our distributor here and also a couple of great endorsed artists in Fidel and Brian so I like to stalk around! 

Excited about your dual fusion pedal man. Save some for Jeff. 

[Wampler Pedals]

We are already getting pre-orders from dealers in for it, before we've even worked the prices out. I tell you, it sounds stunning. It's knocked two pedals from my board. I've got a fuzz proto here as well that has knocked another one off... Exciting times!!

[nickson]

We are already getting pre-orders from dealers in for it, before we've even worked the prices out. I tell you, it sounds stunning. It's knocked two pedals from my board. I've got a fuzz proto here as well that has knocked another one off... Exciting times!!

I'm pretty sure it'll knock some pedals off of mine too. Can't wait to try it and hopefully get one for myself. Thanks Jason. Hey, glad to have you back here.

Oh wait, I already have the Paisley, but I see no harm in stacking up two.

[free2rock]

I'm pretty sure it'll knock some pedals off of mine too. Can't wait to try it and hopefully get one for myself. Thanks Jason. Hey, glad to have you back here.

Oh wait, I already have the Paisley, but I see no harm in stacking up two.

Well, you can always sell it to me, Nick. We're frinds right?

[nickson]

Well, you can always sell it to me, Nick. We're frinds right?

I'd be glad to! Extra funding for the dual fusion. 

[Musikerochan]

+1

i wanna see and hear them new pedals, nakakasawa na yung mga clone + konting tweaks, by konti i mean "konti"

ayaw mo ng madami?

I'm not sure sir. Ang alam ko lang na bago sa Crunchbox V.2 is yung Presence Knob nga tsaka yung fix nila sa Volume pot na naging issue dun sa V.1. The clipping control I'm saying is like dun sa ginawa ni Sir Jmwreck dun sa recent overdrive na ginawa nya nung nasa SG na sya. Pero it doesn't matter to me na naman. At least i know for my self na ako mismo yung ng-add nung mga dinagdag ko. Haha.

Sana nga po at may mga makapag-design na mga pinoy ng mga Original Circuits and Effects. Para matuloy yung balak ng mga mods na seminar/fair ng mga philmusicians.

Salute sa pinoy musicians/enthusiasts!

been wondering why kelangan ng MI audio ilabas yung trimmer sa loob when it's just a passive lowpass filter, although topologically different nang konti lang naman sa existing treble control nya. kung gusto mo ng fuller range ng existing treble control, the most na pwede sigurong gawin is to max out the presence trim to its brightest, and use a higher value pot to get more range. review-hin ko nga yung schem nun just to check.

[free2rock]

I'd be glad to! Extra funding for the dual fusion. 

Cheap dapat!

BTT: IMHO, if you're a DIYer, it's okay to build then eventually sell once you're tired of it (or if you want to fund a new project). If you plan on commercially selling your work:

1. Clones of out-of-production circuits should be okay (e.g., Klon Centaur, Tonebender, etc.)
2. If modded from an existing circuit, give credit where credit is due.

[narmario17]

ayaw mo ng madami?

been wondering why kelangan ng MI audio ilabas yung trimmer sa loob when it's just a passive lowpass filter, although topologically different nang konti lang naman sa existing treble control nya. kung gusto mo ng fuller range ng existing treble control, the most na pwede sigurong gawin is to max out the presence trim to its brightest, and use a higher value pot to get more range. review-hin ko nga yung schem nun just to check.

yung presence control trimmer ng v2 is nasa loob pa din nung pedal. kung gusto mong i-adjust for a better top end, bubuksan mo pa yung loob. kaya parang yung nga yung naging advantage nung shredhead and others na may presence pot, madali lang mag-adjust kung medyo muddy or maingay na para sayo yung tunog.

Cheap dapat!

BTT: IMHO, if you're a DIYer, it's okay to build then eventually sell once you're tired of it (or if you want to fund a new project). If you plan on commercially selling your work:

1. Clones of out-of-production circuits should be okay (e.g., Klon Centaur, Tonebender, etc.)
2. If modded from an existing circuit, give credit where credit is due.

+1! Still give credit to the original innovators. Wag ipagyabang na IKAW talaga ang gumawa ng lahat. Haha.

[Musikerochan]

kamusta ba ang frequency response nung dalawang treble filter topologies na ginamit sa crunchbox?