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Offline sargento

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Re: Great Guitar Tone and why it is Universal and NOT kanya kanya lang
« Reply #225 on: August 20, 2015, 07:43:49 AM »
kumbaga sa Philmusic, once in a while may interesting and emotional topic...where many participate and conversations end up highly charged.

siya naman yung point of focus ng ganung mga interesting topics sa isang page sa facebook.

marami sa mga members dito ay naroon din.
sir, member ka ba ng GPP?

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Re: Great Guitar Tone and why it is Universal and NOT kanya kanya lang
« Reply #226 on: August 20, 2015, 11:24:31 AM »
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Re: Great Guitar Tone and why it is Universal and NOT kanya kanya lang
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Re: Great Guitar Tone and why it is Universal and NOT kanya kanya lang
« Reply #228 on: August 26, 2015, 09:32:02 PM »
http://www.bgwguitars.com/data/fendercs13.htm

Eto kaya? May hiyaw?

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Re: Great Guitar Tone and why it is Universal and NOT kanya kanya lang
« Reply #229 on: August 27, 2015, 02:29:48 PM »
kumbaga sa Philmusic, once in a while may interesting and emotional topic...where many participate and conversations end up highly charged.

siya naman yung point of focus ng ganung mga interesting topics sa isang page sa facebook.

marami sa mga members dito ay naroon din.

sya ang bespren mo sa GPP diba?

naliha na nga pala yung lump dun sa inassemble nya no?

try mo kayang kalabitin baka tumunog...


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« Reply #230 on: August 29, 2015, 11:37:39 PM »
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Re: Great Guitar Tone and why it is Universal and NOT kanya kanya lang
« Reply #231 on: September 01, 2015, 04:43:53 PM »
Ito ang paboritong statement ng mga bingi kasi hindi nila marinig ang Tone at kulang sila sa Talino para maintindihan ang Tone.

Kulang sa talino ang nagsabi nito.
Panu nila maririnig eh bingi nga? Nakakakita ba ang bulag?



Talino raw ang kailangan para maintindihan ang Tone.
Kalimutan na ang tenga. Talino lang raw ok na.

Kumusta sa mga hindi bingi. Kailangan nyu raw magpakatalino.








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Re: Great Guitar Tone and why it is Universal and NOT kanya kanya lang
« Reply #232 on: September 01, 2015, 10:45:35 PM »
Kulang sa talino ang nagsabi nito.
Panu nila maririnig eh bingi nga? Nakakakita ba ang bulag?

(I was being sarcastic.  Hindi nila ma amin na bingi sila.  Alam mo Rye; kagaya mo hindi mo namin aaminin na bingi ka.)

Talino raw ang kailangan para maintindihan ang Tone.
Kalimutan na ang tenga. Talino lang raw ok na.

(Kailangan ng Talino para malaman na hindi mo alam ang Tone.  Mga walang utak kasi marinig lang sa youtube; akala na nila alam nila ang tunog.)

Kumusta sa mga hindi bingi. Kailangan nyu raw magpakatalino.
« Last Edit: September 01, 2015, 10:53:18 PM by firemodel55 »

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Re: Great Guitar Tone and why it is Universal and NOT kanya kanya lang
« Reply #233 on: September 02, 2015, 10:18:38 AM »
can hiyaw actually be recorded? just curious because quite obviously a lot of us do not have access to the high end gear firemodel might be referring to and quite simply, i just don't know what i'm missing.

as a follow up, if it can't be recorded then does that mean that the only way to experience hiyaw is to either actually buy it or be lucky witnessing it live given its apparent rarity?

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« Reply #234 on: September 02, 2015, 10:41:11 AM »
can hiyaw actually be recorded? just curious because quite obviously a lot of us do not have access to the high end gear firemodel might be referring to and quite simply, i just don't know what i'm missing.

as a follow up, if it can't be recorded then does that mean that the only way to experience hiyaw is to either actually buy it or be lucky witnessing it live given its apparent rarity?

hindi raw, and technically speaking, hindi talaga posible. as a recording enthusiast I can say that mics cannot record most "special" aural features of any instrument, even the finest. mics have character, as well as limited frequency ranges. not to mention that preamps and the recording medium itself (digital/tape) color the signal. and let's not even go to how a half inch difference in mic placement changes the sound of the recording. There's a reason why some engineers prefer recording Baby Taylors over really nice boutique acoustics, and that difference in tone just means a recording cannot pick up the finest nuances in instruments (which is what we assume "hiyaw" to be).

so yes, you have to be there. ang understanding ko sa "hiyaw" ay parang may acoustic/tactile aspect sya kahit electric guitar ang pinag-uusapan. based on what I read from FM anyway
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Re: Great Guitar Tone and why it is Universal and NOT kanya kanya lang
« Reply #235 on: September 02, 2015, 11:35:11 AM »
can hiyaw actually be recorded? just curious because quite obviously a lot of us do not have access to the high end gear firemodel might be referring to and quite simply, i just don't know what i'm missing.

as a follow up, if it can't be recorded then does that mean that the only way to experience hiyaw is to either actually buy it or be lucky witnessing it live given its apparent rarity?


firemodel55 has given an open invitation to test his guitars with hiyaw and compare it to his guitar without hiyaw

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« Reply #236 on: September 02, 2015, 11:43:34 AM »
firemodel55 has given an open invitation to test his guitars with hiyaw and compare it to his guitar without hiyaw

taga san ba si fm55? even if I end up not believing in hiyaw, at least makakahawak ako ng nice gear  :lol:
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« Reply #237 on: September 02, 2015, 01:14:59 PM »
taga san ba si fm55? even if I end up not believing in hiyaw, at least makakahawak ako ng nice gear  :lol:

 :lol:

I have no clue but I would like to take him up on his offer too  :mrgreen:
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Re: Great Guitar Tone and why it is Universal and NOT kanya kanya lang
« Reply #238 on: September 03, 2015, 12:33:09 PM »
:lol:

I have no clue but I would like to take him up on his offer too  :mrgreen:

GAS inducing lang yang trip na yan, yung tipo pa naman na mahirap mawala kasi nga high end gear na.

Pero if ever matuloy man yan pasama naman ako haha, I also happen to want to have some take on some of the Philippines finest gears  :wave:
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Re: Great Guitar Tone and why it is Universal and NOT kanya kanya lang
« Reply #239 on: September 03, 2015, 12:46:17 PM »
Message niyo na lang si FM55. He's very accomodating. You just have to work around his schedule.
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« Reply #240 on: February 26, 2016, 02:41:14 AM »
Good read, i'm back hunting for a new sound  :mrgreen:
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« Reply #241 on: February 26, 2016, 06:18:35 AM »
Nice necro..

Check out the TED Talk of Paul Reed Smith on tone.

It pretty much debunks the hiyaw concept. He says guitars are subtractive. 6 in and 5.9 out on a really special guitar. You cant have 6 in and 7 coming out.
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« Reply #242 on: February 28, 2016, 09:07:24 AM »
Nice necro..

Check out the TED Talk of Paul Reed Smith on tone.

It pretty much debunks the hiyaw concept. He says guitars are subtractive. 6 in and 5.9 out on a really special guitar. You cant have 6 in and 7 coming out.

Wanna bet?  I currently have a 1991 PRS Custom 24 that beats the crap out of 99% of ALL PRS.  Took me thirty years to find it.  It has PLENTY of Hiyaw that a majority of PRS do NOT have.

I was lucky enough to be invited to the PRS Experience in Japan last year -- the only Pinoy to do so.  I got to meet Paul and Marty.  Shook hands with them AND Paul told me: WTF are you doin here having to fly all the way from Manila?LOL.

Anyway, my friend introduced me to PRS Private Stock Production dude head honcho that I will NOT name.  So, I had to spend some time with him because I was one of the only few capable of English.  We spent several minutes debating why there were so many bad sounding Private Stock...

To cut thru the B.S., my message take out was they rather produced 90 above average guitars and 10 lousy guitars than to produce 1 exceptional guitar and 99 lousy guitars.  At this point in time, Paul has nailed that consistency down pat on his solid body line.

But, today since PRS is still relatively new in producing their acoustic lines, it just makes Paul cry when one exceptional acoustic comes off the line.

So, before you try to disprove what I say: a) Listen to more guitars in person and b) Don't immediately believe what Marketing/Promotion dudes and material say

P.S.  I told my friend that I wanted my PRS duplicated because it has such a unique and rich sound that really communicates what the PRS was really about in the late 80s.  He told me that he can ask Paul to PERSONALLY make an EXACT copy of it physically and aurally.

I am still debating with my friend because I don't believe that Paul can copy hiyaw and put hiyaw in a guitar purposely.  My friend's argument is that no one else has the best chance to put hiyaw into a PRS other than Paul himself. 

« Last Edit: February 28, 2016, 10:29:18 AM by firemodel55 »

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« Reply #243 on: February 28, 2016, 10:56:41 AM »
I know there's a lot of hunchos on the "Hiyaw" topic and I had the time to back read on this thread, the only question I want to ask is, is "Hiyaw" measurable?
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« Reply #244 on: February 28, 2016, 01:52:44 PM »
I know there's a lot of hunchos on the "Hiyaw" topic and I had the time to back read on this thread, the only question I want to ask is, is "Hiyaw" measurable?

According to Paul in his video, its called a cochlea.

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« Reply #245 on: February 28, 2016, 03:22:53 PM »
So given Paul's argument, whether it's the end all be all of tone, I can deduct that "Hiyaw" varies from a person to person as the cochlea is peculiar per individual. Now there are certain frequencies in a spectrum that can pique the cochlear sensitivity but that still will vary from an individual's ear physiology. I was hoping to find out whether "Hiyaw" is a measurable factor(Frequency,Amplitude,Volume)given that timbre have measurable dimensions both on its subjective and objective aspect.
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« Reply #246 on: February 28, 2016, 04:13:00 PM »
to balance up on the universality of tone over the validity someone's individual perception, there might exist a frequential unity of different factors from wood to strings that can be summed up as the holy grail of tone but what hinders us from experiencing such perfection is the differentiation of our anatomical make-up.
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« Reply #247 on: February 28, 2016, 06:38:12 PM »
to balance up on the universality of tone over the validity someone's individual perception, there might exist a frequential unity of different factors from wood to strings that can be summed up as the holy grail of tone but what hinders us from experiencing such perfection is the differentiation of our anatomical make-up.

I am ever an optimist, if my dog and Arie's dog can react to it, so can humans.  But then again, some dogs don't.  So if I were Manny PaQ-U, I would say mas masahol pa sa animal ang mga hindi makarinig ng Hiyaw. LOL

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« Reply #248 on: February 28, 2016, 06:45:17 PM »
tone comes from each individuals fingers. gear does not matter.
on guitars:

on pedals:

hanapin ko about amp comparison

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« Reply #249 on: February 28, 2016, 08:04:13 PM »
tone comes from each individuals fingers. gear does not matter.
on guitars:

on pedals:

hanapin ko about amp comparison

Really? Bakit ka pa namimili ng gitara kung lahat sa fingers lang? Therefore, benta mo na ang JS guitar mo.  Di ba?
« Last Edit: February 28, 2016, 08:09:25 PM by firemodel55 »