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Offline raikidoodles

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« Reply #375 on: February 14, 2009, 01:33:04 AM »
this is actually good . It shows guitar players can also write.


. . . and someday guitar players will also show that they can kill a scammer!

. . .  this is just a joke, please don't react on this, no opinions needed

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« Reply #376 on: February 14, 2009, 06:55:58 AM »
haha pakiramdam ko nga hindi agad matatapos, it's getting hotter everyday!

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« Reply #377 on: February 14, 2009, 07:40:42 AM »
Tom will talk to the seller to verify this info as well as open the guitar to check. In the meantime pics of #148 has been pulled out and the ad for it will either be removed or corrected when tom goes online later.

Thank you for notifying us we appreciate it.



Good morning bro, may I know the result of the verification made..I don't think the process will take that long. Di naman DNA test yan o autopsy na kailangan pa ng Pathologist for usual review & confirmation before he signs the result. Ang alam ko screw driver lang kailangan,  and of course honesty. Screwdrivers i know he have many, honesty i'm not sure if has any.. :-)

please tell us yon bang binebentang Fender U.S standard na strat ni preyDOMTom posted with pic # 148 which you pulled out, MIJ nga ba ang body non?  :-)
« Last Edit: February 14, 2009, 08:45:27 AM by slowhandpal »

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« Reply #378 on: February 14, 2009, 08:22:05 AM »
@slowhandpal:

So why am I representing tom? 'Coz you don't have the guts to tell him yourself. I read what I believe is an important issue and relay it to him. Then I post his reply.


I'm afraid this is too much of a presumption, convince him to go on line(with web cam), set a date, specific time one day ahead.so everyone will know if your presumption is correct bro.. for those fellow musicians who needs an interpreter, you can have my services for free, no worries 4 times ako bumagsak sa english kaya madami ako natutunan in the end..joke lang po :-) :lol:

« Last Edit: February 14, 2009, 08:41:00 AM by slowhandpal »

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« Reply #379 on: February 14, 2009, 08:23:04 AM »
nasa yo yan kung kanino ka maniniwala :D

matagal na nabenta yung rick nya na natural ang andun na lang yung rick copy na blue :-)

uu nga  :-D  . . . kung walang papaloko..walang manloloko...nasa mga buyer na lang yan..ingatz na lang..kilatis muna at tanong tanong bago bumili...IMHO..peace


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« Reply #380 on: February 14, 2009, 08:42:52 AM »
uu nga  :-D  . . . kung walang papaloko..walang manloloko...nasa mga buyer na lang yan..ingatz na lang..kilatis muna at tanong tanong bago bumili...IMHO..peace
wala naman takutan sir..hehehe.

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« Reply #381 on: February 14, 2009, 09:58:23 AM »
I was planning to buy a Gibson LP from him naman. Since there are many testimonies from fellow forumites, I have my second thoughts already. He he he, good that I did not force myself to buy that Gibby even if the price suddenly jumped then when I inquired from him.

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« Reply #382 on: February 14, 2009, 10:26:55 AM »
@slowhandpal:

sir ngayon ko napatunayan di mo talaga binabasa at iniintindi ang mga post. masyado ka atat na mag reply :-)

kung inintindi mo ang post ko sabi ko iko correct ni tom ang post pag online nya. sana ang ginawa mo tiningnan mo ang ad nya para malaman ano ba ang ginawa nyang action sa complaint bago mo ginawa yang reply mo.

eto na ako na ang kumopya para sa yo:

148)  USA amStd-Strat faded nitro sunburst refin.,US-PU's+ superTone
        black Guard as SRV+ white PU-caps givs a KillerLOOK+
         refinish=super thin Nitro!+stunnerLOOK too!!Make SWAP OFFERS!!
          the body Must  I must open to Check!!! our  Doc will check it up!
          didnt hav time for that,yet!!!
         PU's are amStd!!+ Neck Too!  I guess its really '57 ri Jap. Vintage,but
         not sure before I take a look into it myself!!
         will post here more soon,when we know more on Routings,etc!
        + will ask PreOwner again too! then post Price again+selfMade PICS!!
          thnx for THE FAST INFORMATION,Dale!!! C U soon!T.


eto din ang link baka kasi sabihin mo papahirapan pa kita hanapin yung ad:

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,115420.0.html

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Re: FreedomTom the German..
« Reply #383 on: February 14, 2009, 10:38:01 AM »
I'm afraid this is too much of a presumption, convince him to go on line(with web cam), set a date, specific time one day ahead.so everyone will know if your presumption is correct bro.. for those fellow musicians who needs an interpreter, you can have my services for free, no worries 4 times ako bumagsak sa english kaya madami ako natutunan in the end..joke lang po :-) :lol:

bwahaha natawa ko dito ah komedyante ka pala. ano to senate investigation :D

like i said sa earlier reply ko nakapost na sa ad ni tom ang initial findings nya kaya no need na mag explain pa ko sya na mismo ang sumagot sa tanong mo :-)

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« Reply #384 on: February 14, 2009, 10:51:39 AM »
I was planning to buy a Gibson LP from him naman. Since there are many testimonies from fellow forumites, I have my second thoughts already. He he he, good that I did not force myself to buy that Gibby even if the price suddenly jumped then when I inquired from him.

eto lang masasabi ko sir. kahit ka kanino ka bibili ng gibson dapat ka mag ingat at dapat alam mo pano tumingin ng orig or hindi. pag di ka sigurado magpasama ka sa marunong.

ano ang masasabi ko kay tom?

1. alam mo saan sya nakatira. kung peke ang nabili mo alam mo saan puede ibalik. hindi sya yung nakikipagmit lang sa mall na pagkatapos di mo na alam saan hahabulin ang ka deal mo. may landline sya hindi prepaid celfone lang na madali itapon pag may iniiwasan.

2. except sa mga tsismis at sa nangyari sa #148 wala pa akong ibang nabasang complaint tungkol sa authenticity ng gitara nya.

3. napatunayan natin sa nangyari sa #148 na kung may proof ka na nagkamali sya willing sya i korek ang sarili nya.

4. pag makikipag deal ka sa kanya isipin mo nasa tyangge ka. ang tawaran sa tyangge kalahati agad ng selling price tapos nego pataas. yung seller pilit iha-highlight ang good points at yung buyer hahanapan ng bad points. ganun talaga.

yun lang isipin mo kay tom. walang personalan yan at accepted ang ganung tawaran. tinuturo din yan sa negotiation techniques sa guthrie-jensen kaya hindi ako nagtataka na ganun si tom.
« Last Edit: February 14, 2009, 11:39:01 AM by royc »

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Re: FreedomTom the German..
« Reply #385 on: February 14, 2009, 04:04:06 PM »
Sir royc,thanks for posting pics.
if second hand and beyond na ang gitara,think and inspect twice talaga and dont believe everything the seller says. buy brand new if its peace of mind youre after and if you need warranty.
Change the thread title or lock this thread.PEACE.
see you in the next life brother,and dont be late.

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« Reply #386 on: February 14, 2009, 04:57:34 PM »
you know...

i envy him dahil sa dami nyang gears...

but...

there's too much question sakin kung bakit ganun karami ang gears nya (is he a billionaire or smuggler or what)(dont get it wrong)

baaah... i'm too lazy para basahin ang 24 pages na thread about him...

what i'm pointing out? this freedomtom guy should reply here... (just for the sake of clarification)

naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh.....

why just there's no peace on earth.....

haha...

ignore..

i'm just day'dreamin
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« Reply #387 on: February 14, 2009, 09:43:40 PM »
you know...

i envy him dahil sa dami nyang gears..

but...

there's too much question sakin kung bakit ganun karami ang gears nya (is he a billionaire or smuggler or what)(dont get it wrong)
baaah... i'm too lazy para basahin ang 24 pages na thread about him...

what i'm pointing out? this freedomtom guy should reply here... (just for the sake of clarification)

naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh.....

why just there's no peace on earth.....

haha...

ignore..

i'm just day'dreamin

he's a businessman nga. we've been discussing about his ethics, tactics, badhabits, etc for the past few pages. and i heard he has a bigger shop sa europe and he sells bigger and badder axes and amps there. :lol: If ganto ang gear nya dito, who knows what kind of guitars he has there. :?

@slowhandpal:

sir ngayon ko napatunayan di mo talaga binabasa at iniintindi ang mga post. masyado ka atat na mag reply :-)

kung inintindi mo ang post ko sabi ko iko correct ni tom ang post pag online nya. sana ang ginawa mo tiningnan mo ang ad nya para malaman ano ba ang ginawa nyang action sa complaint bago mo ginawa yang reply mo.

eto na ako na ang kumopya para sa yo:

148)  USA amStd-Strat faded nitro sunburst refin.,US-PU's+ superTone
        black Guard as SRV+ white PU-caps givs a KillerLOOK+
         refinish=super thin Nitro!+stunnerLOOK too!!Make SWAP OFFERS!!
          the body Must  I must open to Check!!! our  Doc will check it up!
          didnt hav time for that,yet!!!
         PU's are amStd!!+ Neck Too!  I guess its really '57 ri Jap. Vintage,but
         not sure before I take a look into it myself!!
         will post here more soon,when we know more on Routings,etc!
        + will ask PreOwner again too! then post Price again+selfMade PICS!!
          thnx for THE FAST INFORMATION,Dale!!! C U soon!T.


eto din ang link baka kasi sabihin mo papahirapan pa kita hanapin yung ad:

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,115420.0.html

I know the previous owner and i was offered the guitar before tom bought it. I have an email of the guitar's specs, and the original pics(same pics na ginamit na pinost ni royc). I spoke with the previous owner before and told me in all the details about the guitar. I also have the link of the seller's old ad here sa philmusic. The original ad for the guitar with the lower price before tom bought it from him. the sulit.com.ph ad is somehow missing.  :?

anyway, tom has retracted the item and tinitignan pa niya ang guitar. i'm expecting the price will go down somehow because of this. :lol:

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« Reply #388 on: February 14, 2009, 10:48:32 PM »
bwahaha natawa ko dito ah komedyante ka pala. ano to senate investigation :D

 :lol: well web cam is needed because we know he is well represented by you. ano ba malay namin if ikaw ang sumasagot instead of him..senate investigation? hehe you're kidding bro.. :-)

like i said sa earlier reply ko nakapost na sa ad ni tom ang initial findings nya kaya no need na mag explain pa ko sya na mismo ang sumagot sa tanong mo :-)

well for those who didn't care to open Toms ads anymore, reply is needed here.. ano pa ba titingnan namin don e dali dali mo ng pinul out ang pic #148? kakawalang gana na.. May mga kapwa tayong musikero bro, dina pinapansin si Tom at yong iba nga kahit pick, ayaw magbenta sa kanya. Dito ka kasi nagsabi sa Guitar Central na bine verify ng business partner mo, tapos ang sagot andon sa classified ads.. you can represent Tom naman being business partners, bakit di mo sagutin dito ng malinaw? :lol: para sa mga nagsusubaybay araw araw dito bro.e ano ba naman kung may sagot ka rin dito bro?
« Last Edit: February 14, 2009, 11:26:07 PM by slowhandpal »

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« Reply #389 on: February 14, 2009, 11:01:38 PM »
eto lang masasabi ko sir. kahit ka kanino ka bibili ng gibson dapat ka mag ingat at dapat alam mo pano tumingin ng orig or hindi. pag di ka sigurado magpasama ka sa marunong.

I agree, Tama at dapat lang. Buhat daw nong 2001 may mga Greco LPs na na ginagawang Gibson, mahal ang presyo nyan. Baka tsismis lang..

ano ang masasabi ko kay tom?

2. except sa mga tsismis at sa nangyari sa #148 wala pa akong ibang nabasang complaint tungkol sa authenticity ng gitara nya.

You called it tsismis bro? sus ginoo ko..

3. napatunayan natin sa nangyari sa #148 na kung may proof ka na nagkamali sya willing sya i korek ang sarili nya.

Kung wala na ngang lusot at buking na nga, ano pa ba pwedeng gawin? I don't think his willing at all, I think the right word is he was forced to admit because there's no way out. we know Tom's character...
« Last Edit: February 14, 2009, 11:49:43 PM by slowhandpal »

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« Reply #390 on: February 14, 2009, 11:37:17 PM »
he's a businessman nga. we've been discussing about his ethics, tactics, badhabits, etc for the past few pages. and i heard he has a bigger shop sa europe and he sells bigger and badder axes and amps there. :lol: If ganto ang gear nya dito, who knows what kind of guitars he has there. :?
somehow missing.  :?

anyway, tom has retracted the item and tinitignan pa niya ang guitar. i'm expecting the price will go down somehow because of this. :lol:

Oo nga pala baka akala malilimutan ko.. ano po full name ng friend mo bro royc? pag mag verify kasi sa Immigration hinahanap pala ito, o sagutin mo na lang pero dito po sa Guitar Central ha wag po sa ads, kalimutan muna natin pansamantala ang sales. kasi madami ng di nagbubukas don. legal po ba ang pananatili ni Tom dito sa Pinas? If busy kayo, yes or no lang po, ayos na.. naiintindihan na namin yan..

pakiisipin mo din kahit minsan mga kababayan nating parang mga tuta sa ibang bansa dahil TNT at kahit naman ang mga hindi TNT, very polite at respectfull talaga as in, tapos dito sa atin, merong mapagsamantala,sobrang abusado at magulang na banyaga.. di ba dapat pantay pantay ang tao sa mundo?
« Last Edit: February 15, 2009, 08:39:13 AM by slowhandpal »

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« Reply #391 on: February 15, 2009, 12:45:32 AM »
This beats watching TV.....Shame on those who are guilty.
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« Reply #392 on: February 15, 2009, 01:06:28 AM »
Oo nga pala baka akala malilimutan ko.. ano po full name ng friend mo bro royc? pag mag verify kasi sa Immigration hinahanap pala ito, o sagutin mo na lang pero dito po sa Guitar Central ha wag po sa ads, kalimutan muna natin pansamantala ang sales. kasi madami ng di nagbubukas don. legal po ba ang pananatili ni Tom dito sa Pinas? If busy kayo, yes or no lang po, ayos na.. naiintindihan na namin yan


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« Reply #393 on: February 15, 2009, 02:47:24 AM »
i've done a couple of deals with tom, i've bought japanese made basses and 1 amp. so far the deals were ok for me. the basses needed some work and i had someone worked on them. i'm satisfied with the basses and the amp, i believe i have good deals naman. here are some comments opinions i have on certain items that were already discussed

buying from Tom - his prices tend to be high, though i've seen on some cases, may makukuha ka pa din na relavitely lower price yung sakanya compared sa ibang items dito. However the price is still ok for me. I can't find similar items on the market or tamad lang ako. for my convenience i would just buy his item. he'll definitely try to sell his products take time to listen and ask questions. since baguhan ako, di ko alam na reissue ang ibig sabihin ng RI, so i asked him about it... tapos tinanong ko what's the difference between those 2 identical basses and he'll point it out.

selling to Tom - so far i haven't sold my items pero i've done trades. sa tingin ko conmensurate naman yung mga traded items ko. i traded an effects unit for a discount sa isang bass, i traded a smaller wattage amp for some discount on his higher wattage amp. sa mga tindahan di ka pwdeng magkipag trade and i don't have time to sell the items, so in one part convenient sa akin

taxes - ewan ko kung anong tax ang hinahanap nung mga forumers dito, i hate tax and any kind of tax, pero isa lang masasabi ko, kung yung tax na yun ay mapupunta lang sa mga tao sa gobyerno ay wag na lang!

tom's manner of texting - ganun talaga eh, naiintidihan ko pa naman so ok lang sa akin. pag di ko naintindihan tatawagan ko na lang sa at my convenient time. I think this is a lost form of communication sa pilipinas. yes texting is ok. pero kung di kayo mag kaintindihan ng kausap mo better call. You have an option to call his cellphone or landline para makatipid ka. in my experience, in general, mas madali pa din makipagusap sa fone.

to deal in his place - i guess this is everyone's prerogative. If you're buying definitely ikaw ang pupunta dun, if you're selling, you have a say kung ayaw mo pumunta dun or what. why would you feel trapped? dahil sayang sa pamasahe, sayang pagod, sayang yung pagpunta? so para din sayang ibebenta mo pa din at a price na di ka agree? dapat wag ganun ang pagiisip mo. firm ka dapat. set your own limitations on the deals, this is the lowest i'll go lista mo sa palad mo, pag yung price nya is mas mababa sa na-set mo, sabihin mo na "no-can do". pag pumayag ka sa ayaw mo ikaw din ang kawawa, tapos baka mag rant ka dito sa philmusic  :-D. Try to set din his expectations, sabihin mo na "this is not a guaranteed closed deal until we say it's close, don't expect that i'll leave my item with you, not until we agree". Ganun din pag bibili ka... i heard you have this item, can i take a look at it and check if it's for me. TIp: bago ka pumunta sa place nya make sure to talk to him on the phone

dealing without his shirt on - first off, mainit sa place nya, so hinde naman sya bare chested for the reason na trip nya yun. he turns on electric fans for visitors. I don't see anything bad with this (at least sa opinion ko ah). Yes he's a business man and he has customers, pero he's not dealing stocks and bonds here, he's not dealing life insurance or cars. He's into musical instruments, tools for rocking out! (rocking out does not give him a reason to be dealing without his shirt on, pero at least it lowers the expectations of dressing up around 10 notches)

on posting pictures - believe me he's really not that good with computers. he's an old geezer. i tried to walk the guy tru posting pictures himself and didn't work. hayyy... (@slowhandpal: there's no point in comparing him with a grade 2 student, kids nowadays tend to be very inquistive when it comes to technology).

yun lang i hope i added value to this thread. Anyway i've been reading one book that says " treat people on based how they treat you and not based on what you hear about them treating other people" or something to that effect.
« Last Edit: February 15, 2009, 02:53:51 AM by hiskoolstudes »
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« Reply #394 on: February 15, 2009, 05:06:10 AM »
I hope this thread will serve as a warning for everyone.   People who are not aware of his bizarre marketing strategy are fortunate to be aware now and lucky to have the idea on what to expect from this guy.   

Eto mga boys, icebreaker masyado na tayo mainit eh . . .

Eto mga reklamo natin kay Tom

1. Maangas! (Low Gain) -  Iismolin nya yung gear na binebenta mo as if naman na mas hi end yun ipapalit nya.  Iismolin nya yan hanggang sa maramdaman mo na siya na lang at wala ng ibang tao sa mundo ang may interes na bumili ng gear mo.

   (Sasabihin nila: "may choices ka", "eh di wag mo na itext at sa iba mo na ibenta")

2. Baratan Galore!  -  Kung magbebenta ka naman babaratin nya masyado.  May reklamo din before na kahit nagkasundo na kayo sa presyo pagdating mo sa place nya eh babaratin ka pa rin nya hanggang sa mapilitan ka na ibenta sa presyo.   Kung pwede nga lang na ibigay mo na lang yang binebenta mo at ikaw pa ang magbayad sa binigay mong gear ay malamang na ginawa na nya.
 
(Sasabihin nila: "may choices ka", eh di wag mo ibenta at umalis ka sa place nya)


3.  Maangas! (Hi Gain)  -  "Yung una ipaparamdam nya sa 'yo na balewala yung gamit mo at ang susunod eh ipaparamdam naman nya na balewala ka, Sabi pa nya "I am receiving 300 text messages a day, I am so busy, no time to deal with your cheap gear!   If you want to deal with me call me  . . . "   Grabe no?  Ipaparamdam nya na kailangan mo sya kaya dapat ikaw ang sumunod sa sasabihin nya,  hindi mo nga matatawag na deal yun kasi lahat opinion nya, lahat set-up nya, lahat sya, sya magsasabi at ikaw naman tatango ka lang.   One sided masyado . . .  Kung may godfather sa bentahan ng musical gear sigurado ko si Tom 'yun  At kapag umayaw ka sa gusto nya . . hay naku Low Baller ang itatawag n'ya sa 'yo.

(Sasabihin nila: "may choices ka", eh di wag ka makipag-deal, one sided pala eh)


4.  He will eat you if you are weak - May nagshare sa kin ng experience nya kay tom,  masyado kasi mabait ang tao na nagkwento nito, kung titingnan mo sya mukhang inosente ang itsura nya.   Benta sya gamit, nagkasundo sa presyo, pagdating sa place ni tom binabarat pa uli yun gear nya, eh taga Laguna daw sya, para lang hindi na sya mapagod na iuwi yung dala nya eh napilitan na syang ibigay sa presyong gusto ni tom.  Paguwi nya ng bahay talagang galit na galit sya kay Tom kasi wala naman reason para baratin pa yun gear nya dahil sobrang baba na ng napagkasunduan nila.  Feeling niya niloko talaga sya.

(Sasabihin nila: "may choice ka", eh di iuwi mo na lang 'yung gamit mo kahit mabigat)

Tama sila may choice tayo . . .

Ganito 'yun,  negosyante si Tom, sa tingin nya effective yung style nya kaya hindi nya babaguhin 'yung style na 'yun. He is earning money through that strategy.   Hangga't hindi sya natututo hindi sya magbabago.   

And again may choice tayo . . .   

  Naisip ko lang PWEDE NAMAN PALA IBOYCOTT SI TOM!

  Tama 'yun na lang ang pwede nating gawin sa kanya.   That is the best thing that we can do . . .  Kapag wala ng bumibili sa kanya baka magbago na ugali nya!

On this day we established a new group here in Philmusic!

BOYCOTT PREYDOM TOM MOVEMENT!

To all members please spread this thread!

Basta ako di ko na kakausapin 'tong taong ito!   At choice ko 'yun!

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« Reply #395 on: February 15, 2009, 05:59:31 AM »
i've done a couple of deals with tom, i've bought japanese made basses and 1 amp. so far the deals were ok for me. the basses needed some work and i had someone worked on them. i'm satisfied with the basses and the amp, i believe i have good deals naman. here are some comments opinions i have on certain items that were already discussed

buying from Tom - his prices tend to be high, though i've seen on some cases, may makukuha ka pa din na relavitely lower price yung sakanya compared sa ibang items dito. However the price is still ok for me. I can't find similar items on the market or tamad lang ako. for my convenience i would just buy his item. he'll definitely try to sell his products take time to listen and ask questions. since baguhan ako, di ko alam na reissue ang ibig sabihin ng RI, so i asked him about it... tapos tinanong ko what's the difference between those 2 identical basses and he'll point it out.

selling to Tom - so far i haven't sold my items pero i've done trades. sa tingin ko conmensurate naman yung mga traded items ko. i traded an effects unit for a discount sa isang bass, i traded a smaller wattage amp for some discount on his higher wattage amp. sa mga tindahan di ka pwdeng magkipag trade and i don't have time to sell the items, so in one part convenient sa akin

taxes - ewan ko kung anong tax ang hinahanap nung mga forumers dito, i hate tax and any kind of tax, pero isa lang masasabi ko, kung yung tax na yun ay mapupunta lang sa mga tao sa gobyerno ay wag na lang!

tom's manner of texting - ganun talaga eh, naiintidihan ko pa naman so ok lang sa akin. pag di ko naintindihan tatawagan ko na lang sa at my convenient time. I think this is a lost form of communication sa pilipinas. yes texting is ok. pero kung di kayo mag kaintindihan ng kausap mo better call. You have an option to call his cellphone or landline para makatipid ka. in my experience, in general, mas madali pa din makipagusap sa fone.

to deal in his place - i guess this is everyone's prerogative. If you're buying definitely ikaw ang pupunta dun, if you're selling, you have a say kung ayaw mo pumunta dun or what. why would you feel trapped? dahil sayang sa pamasahe, sayang pagod, sayang yung pagpunta? so para din sayang ibebenta mo pa din at a price na di ka agree? dapat wag ganun ang pagiisip mo. firm ka dapat. set your own limitations on the deals, this is the lowest i'll go lista mo sa palad mo, pag yung price nya is mas mababa sa na-set mo, sabihin mo na "no-can do". pag pumayag ka sa ayaw mo ikaw din ang kawawa, tapos baka mag rant ka dito sa philmusic  :-D. Try to set din his expectations, sabihin mo na "this is not a guaranteed closed deal until we say it's close, don't expect that i'll leave my item with you, not until we agree". Ganun din pag bibili ka... i heard you have this item, can i take a look at it and check if it's for me. TIp: bago ka pumunta sa place nya make sure to talk to him on the phone

dealing without his shirt on - first off, mainit sa place nya, so hinde naman sya bare chested for the reason na trip nya yun. he turns on electric fans for visitors. I don't see anything bad with this (at least sa opinion ko ah). Yes he's a business man and he has customers, pero he's not dealing stocks and bonds here, he's not dealing life insurance or cars. He's into musical instruments, tools for rocking out! (rocking out does not give him a reason to be dealing without his shirt on, pero at least it lowers the expectations of dressing up around 10 notches)

on posting pictures - believe me he's really not that good with computers. he's an old geezer. i tried to walk the guy tru posting pictures himself and didn't work. hayyy... (@slowhandpal: there's no point in comparing him with a grade 2 student, kids nowadays tend to be very inquistive when it comes to technology).

yun lang i hope i added value to this thread. Anyway i've been reading one book that says " treat people on based how they treat you and not based on what you hear about them treating other people" or something to that effect.


+1 well said, bro.

I honestly don't like everything I hear about how he does business and all. I've talked to him twice and I was taken aback by his style but that's how he is. I hate it but in the end, that's how he is so it's best that I just "decide" not to sell my stuff to him or possibly just go to him to buy (which I don't plan on anyway).

My point is, as much as I don't like all the stories, I don't see the point why we have to bash him even to the very specific points of taxes, registration, etc just because he deals like an a$s to most. Would we be "nicer" to him if he texted clearly in straight english, dealt with us with a suit, gave us awesome discounts, or bought our items at our asking price? Would we then try to find every fault we could find about the guy? I guess not.

Thing is, as mentioned countless times on the thread, we have a choice. If we don't like how he deals, then we move on. Just like if we hate a certain service of a music store, we move on and look for better ones in another mall or even another city. We don't hang out in front of the store and find any fault that we can just to prove a point that their service sucks.

Bastos sya kung bastos. I've heard na bastos din daw ang mga tindera sa Hongkong so kanya kanya lang yan. Let's just move on and daydream about some of the "nicer" pieces uploaded in his FS threads. I don't look at them to look for something interesting to buy but to look for the sake of looking and that's the only business he's getting from me.

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« Reply #396 on: February 15, 2009, 08:27:08 AM »
I hope this thread will serve as a warning for everyone.   People who are not aware of his bizarre marketing strategy are fortunate to be aware now and lucky to have the idea on what to expect from this guy.   

Eto mga boys, icebreaker masyado na tayo mainit eh . . .

Eto mga reklamo natin kay Tom

1. Maangas! (Low Gain) -  Iismolin nya yung gear na binebenta mo as if naman na mas hi end yun ipapalit nya.  Iismolin nya yan hanggang sa maramdaman mo na siya na lang at wala ng ibang tao sa mundo ang may interes na bumili ng gear mo.

   (Sasabihin nila: "may choices ka", "eh di wag mo na itext at sa iba mo na ibenta")

2. Baratan Galore!  -  Kung magbebenta ka naman babaratin nya masyado.  May reklamo din before na kahit nagkasundo na kayo sa presyo pagdating mo sa place nya eh babaratin ka pa rin nya hanggang sa mapilitan ka na ibenta sa presyo.   Kung pwede nga lang na ibigay mo na lang yang binebenta mo at ikaw pa ang magbayad sa binigay mong gear ay malamang na ginawa na nya.
 
(Sasabihin nila: "may choices ka", eh di wag mo ibenta at umalis ka sa place nya)


3.  Maangas! (Hi Gain)  -  "Yung una ipaparamdam nya sa 'yo na balewala yung gamit mo at ang susunod eh ipaparamdam naman nya na balewala ka, Sabi pa nya "I am receiving 300 text messages a day, I am so busy, no time to deal with your cheap gear!   If you want to deal with me call me  . . . "   Grabe no?  Ipaparamdam nya na kailangan mo sya kaya dapat ikaw ang sumunod sa sasabihin nya,  hindi mo nga matatawag na deal yun kasi lahat opinion nya, lahat set-up nya, lahat sya, sya magsasabi at ikaw naman tatango ka lang.   One sided masyado . . .  Kung may godfather sa bentahan ng musical gear sigurado ko si Tom 'yun  At kapag umayaw ka sa gusto nya . . hay naku Low Baller ang itatawag n'ya sa 'yo.

(Sasabihin nila: "may choices ka", eh di wag ka makipag-deal, one sided pala eh)


4.  He will eat you if you are weak - May nagshare sa kin ng experience nya kay tom,  masyado kasi mabait ang tao na nagkwento nito, kung titingnan mo sya mukhang inosente ang itsura nya.   Benta sya gamit, nagkasundo sa presyo, pagdating sa place ni tom binabarat pa uli yun gear nya, eh taga Laguna daw sya, para lang hindi na sya mapagod na iuwi yung dala nya eh napilitan na syang ibigay sa presyong gusto ni tom.  Paguwi nya ng bahay talagang galit na galit sya kay Tom kasi wala naman reason para baratin pa yun gear nya dahil sobrang baba na ng napagkasunduan nila.  Feeling niya niloko talaga sya.

(Sasabihin nila: "may choice ka", eh di iuwi mo na lang 'yung gamit mo kahit mabigat)  :lol: I love you bro!  :wink: i envy your memory, I wish I remember the name of our fellow musician, kawawa talaga ang pobreng musikerong pinoy na ere.. super malas dahil, bitbit ang fender Tweed amp nya sa apartment ni Tom, binitbit as in, dahil walang elevator, brown out ata o may maintenance ginagawa, pagdating sa 9th floor ba? seguro parang holen na pawis nya, gusto bayaran na lang ni Tom 5k plus? e gustuhin man nyang wag na ituloy (may choice nga naman) e di na kasya pamasahe nya dahil nag taxi sya papunta don. kung alam nga lang daw nya binili nya na lang ng bigas yong pinamasahe nya. tsk.tsk.

Tama sila may choice tayo . . .

Ganito 'yun,  negosyante si Tom, sa tingin nya effective yung style nya kaya hindi nya babaguhin 'yung style na 'yun. He is earning money through that strategy.   Hangga't hindi sya natututo hindi sya magbabago.   

And again may choice tayo . . .   

  Naisip ko lang PWEDE NAMAN PALA IBOYCOTT SI TOM!

  Tama 'yun na lang ang pwede nating gawin sa kanya.   That is the best thing that we can do . . .  Kapag wala ng bumibili sa kanya baka magbago na ugali nya!

On this day we established a new group here in Philmusic!

BOYCOTT PREYDOM TOM MOVEMENT!

To all members please spread this thread!

Basta ako di ko na kakausapin 'tong taong ito!   At choice ko 'yun!

sa mga nabiktima ni Tom, please support this excellent idea! btw bro, matagal na namin ginawa to, lalo na kaibigan ko, di nya pinapansin si PreyDOMTom after he learned that most of his vintage collections, binenbenta sa Europe ng kamahalmahal. Tom tried again his trick last year, tinatawaran ang Beatle Hofner ng 150 to $ 200, of course ang lumang style na inaakala nyang di pa buking, "you still have that?it's not vintage 60s but 70s..."(not sure of the exact price pero grabeng baba talaga, and may I say it'snot the exact words pero yon ang thought) calling commissioners, paki advice naman palitan na ang bulok na taktika ni PreyDoM Tom
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« Reply #397 on: February 15, 2009, 09:32:50 AM »

ano ang masasabi ko kay tom?

1. alam mo saan sya nakatira. kung peke ang nabili mo alam mo saan puede ibalik. hindi sya yung nakikipagmit lang sa mall na pagkatapos di mo na alam saan hahabulin ang ka deal mo. may landline sya hindi prepaid celfone lang na madali itapon pag may iniiwasan.

So nice to hear this bro.. kung ikaw lang sana si Tom,ok to. pero sa mga nakaka alam na sa ugali ni Tom paano? ganon nga lang ba ka simple? Mahirap sya kausap, kung yong iba sa cell phone pa lang ayaw na tumawag ulit, at sa mga nagpunta na, ayaw na din umulit, for the same reason.. honestly sinasabi mo ba ngayon na sure ka papayag si Tom ibalik ang item?

Alam ko na alam mo din may advantages ang meet ups sa mall, I can't blame you for citing only one side of the coin because of your relation to him.

Mall meet ups advantages over going to the lions den (Toms apartment)(hehe :-) joke, cause I'm really a joker

1. Pareho kayong nag exert ng time and effort deciding which place & what time. kaya, chances of sealing the deal is highly probable. one can't just back out.

di tulad pag sa apartment ng boss mo, andon lang sya, very relax, he can attend other business alone like the mobile phones & jewelries, (or perhaps with you minsan pag musical items), see.. di man matuloy ang deal sa guitar, sa mobile phone at jewelries may deal pa rin sya, habang tayo ay kami pala, maghihintay ng appointment nya at minsan kailangan pang mag undertime, absent or cancel plans. at paano nga pag dala dala ng seller item nya na napakabigat, talo na sa effort, time and money, kaya may mga napilitan na lang masakit loob kesa papasanin mo uli AMp mo pauwi.

2. It's a neutral ground. with people around that may testify should misunderstanding happens.

pag sa apartment ng friend mo, di ka pwede makipagsabayan sa boses nya dahil, private place yon, di nyo naman ata declared na store yan sa Local Government. see! he can charge you trespassing cause it's not a public property or place.

pwede tayo ay kami palang mapahiya if sakali may napansin syang small items na na miss place nya at kami mapagbentangan. isang tawag nya lang yon sa guard di ba? Of course when one is innocent no problem, pero sobrang abala na at yong mga nakakita lang sa yo pag sinisita ka na ng guard, iisipin negative

Land line? O come on, if palayaw nga lang alam mo sa tao, it does not make any guarranty. I t holds no water. Ano problema if prepaid cp kung katiwatiwala naman ang tao at di nang lalamang sa kapwa. di naman lahat pwedeng mag post paid dahil sa requirement di ba?  :-)



Pakidagdagan mo to bro, ilagay mo muna sarili mo sa side namin, not as Toms partner. :-)
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« Reply #398 on: February 15, 2009, 10:21:08 AM »

4.  He will eat you if you are weak - May nagshare sa kin ng experience nya kay tom,  masyado kasi mabait ang tao na nagkwento nito, kung titingnan mo sya mukhang inosente ang itsura nya.   Benta sya gamit, nagkasundo sa presyo, pagdating sa place ni tom binabarat pa uli yun gear nya, eh taga Laguna daw sya, para lang hindi na sya mapagod na iuwi yung dala nya eh napilitan na syang ibigay sa presyong gusto ni tom.  Paguwi nya ng bahay talagang galit na galit sya kay Tom kasi wala naman reason para baratin pa yun gear nya dahil sobrang baba na ng napagkasunduan nila.  Feeling niya niloko talaga sya.



i think hindi din 'naloko' ang friend mo. if your friend didn't really want to sell his guitar or his gear, sana di nalang nya binenta at the price tom wanted because that would mean it was his choice and not toms. so he agreed willfully to it, kahet alam nya na hindi tama yung deal, he just sold it because malayo pinanggalingan nya. he was clear of all the terms and consequences and he still said 'yes'. so i think hindi siya niloko ni tom. after all the talk here, we should just be aware that tom will do anything in his power to degrade your gear. next time nalang your friend should expect that.


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« Reply #399 on: February 15, 2009, 11:44:43 AM »
meron na bang nakaexperience ng window shopping kina freedomtom?  yung tipong alam niya na titingin at magtatanong tanong ka lang?

yea i want to hear about the people that 'waste' his time according to him hahahaha