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« Reply #50 on: November 29, 2005, 07:41:58 PM »
yup nakita ko na sa website ng yupangco yung washburn and yamaha packages kaso lagpas na sa budget ko yung yamaha. then yung washburn ok narin kaso mas trip ko talaga itsura nung ibanez.

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« Reply #51 on: November 29, 2005, 08:25:45 PM »
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depende sa model. they charge as much as 15k for it. may nakita ako last time, mas mataas pa dyan. personally designed and used daw ni RJ himself






I own two of their setneck les paul standards.  I am giving one as Christmas gift to my balikbayan friend who is coming home in december.  I can't wait to see the shock on his face once he sees the quality of this rj les paul.  He has owned Gibson Les Pauls and SGs in which he payed a grand for them, versus an rj which only cost me less than $200.  Their setneck is almost P10,000 and not P15T.  IMHO the les paul standard (setneck) clones supersede the epiphone LPs i have played.  RJ use solid wood--may not be maple top--but solid wood nonetheless compared to a number of Korean made Epis which use maple-laminate plywood tops  (no flames please from epi fans) .  

I can't speak for their strat clones nor their ibanez ones.  But their les pauls are really worth looking into.  read what expats have to say about them in harmony-central.com.  My 2 cents.

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« Reply #52 on: November 29, 2005, 08:36:49 PM »
@musguit,
anong guitar yung hawak nung girl and how much yung ganun sa RJ?

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« Reply #53 on: November 30, 2005, 07:50:56 AM »
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An RJ goldtop?!  Saang branch available ito?  Also the faded/honey/tea bursts   linked above?

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« Reply #54 on: November 30, 2005, 08:29:48 AM »
RJ Goldtop? Yup; dati naka P-90's pa yung naka display sa Galleria...


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« Reply #55 on: November 30, 2005, 08:53:36 AM »
sa galleria ko nakita yan eh

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« Reply #56 on: November 30, 2005, 09:06:47 AM »
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RJ Goldtop? Yup; dati naka P-90's pa yung naka display sa Galleria...


And they converted it to HBs?  Or you mean they have stock of P90s as well as HB Goldtops?

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« Reply #57 on: November 30, 2005, 09:33:39 AM »
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An RJ goldtop?!  Saang branch available ito?  Also the faded/honey/tea bursts   linked above?


May nakita ako sa Galleria kahapon.  Setneck goldtop with chrome hardware--humbuckers.  Hindi ko nilaro kaya hindi to alam gaano kaayos and pag-gawa.  Remember these are handmade guitars--kaya possible maging inconsistent rin.  You really have to test them to see whether a guitar is really up to it.

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« Reply #58 on: November 30, 2005, 11:15:00 AM »
how about acoustic guitars ok ba sa RJ?

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« Reply #59 on: November 30, 2005, 12:05:19 PM »
Maganda yung mga Les Paul and 335 nang RJ. Worth looking into talaga. Some custom guitars are being made at the factory.
I have stated that there are more bad sounding suhrs then there are good ones.

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« Reply #60 on: November 30, 2005, 12:13:37 PM »
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And they converted it to HBs?  Or you mean they have stock of P90s as well as HB Goldtops?


they had stocks of both. Ngayon humbuckers na lang ang display; not sure if they still have hb goldtops though...

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« Reply #61 on: December 01, 2005, 12:45:40 AM »
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Saang branch available ito?  Also the faded/honey/tea bursts   linked above?


Hi Delta,

The pix above was my first honeyburst.  my 2nd honeyburst is nicer which i just bought las Nov 26.  Both LPs have nice fat clean tone if I use the neck pickup.  The bridge distorts nice when i played it through a Marshall stack.  Parang Gibson talaga and tunog.

rene

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« Reply #62 on: December 01, 2005, 07:52:28 AM »
rene - thanks for the review. now i'm gonna have to go down there and check 'em out!  

pero magiipon muna ako...  ng pasensya kung sakaling ma-provoke ako ng poor customer service dun!

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« Reply #63 on: December 01, 2005, 08:00:22 AM »
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rene - thanks for the review. now i'm gonna have to go down there and check 'em out!  

pero magiipon muna ako...  ng pasensya kung sakaling ma-provoke ako ng poor customer service dun!


naku, eh kung mag chi-chinelas tayo, pihadong pangit ang serbisyo !! ... hanapin mo na lang si Cris, at unahan mo nang sabihin na kaibigan mo si Bert at si Jaime, para ngumiti na agad! hehehe...  :wink:

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« Reply #64 on: December 01, 2005, 08:29:32 AM »
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rene - thanks for the review. now i'm gonna have to go down there and check 'em out!  

pero magiipon muna ako...  ng pasensya kung sakaling ma-provoke ako ng poor customer service dun!


naku, eh kung mag chi-chinelas tayo, pihadong pangit ang serbisyo !! ... hanapin mo na lang si Cris, at unahan mo nang sabihin na kaibigan mo si Bert at si Jaime, para ngumiti na agad! hehehe...  :wink:


hehe... alam na alam mo na style ko ha!  sige this time magbabarong ako at sasabihin ko ni-refer nyo ako altho ilang beses na nila ako nakita dun ng walang binibili (pero di naman ako nangungulit o nagte-test e).  

teka, we're referring to galleria branch pa rin, right?

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« Reply #65 on: December 01, 2005, 08:55:24 AM »
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rene - thanks for the review. now i'm gonna have to go down there and check 'em out!  

naku, eh kung mag chi-chinelas tayo, pihadong pangit ang serbisyo !! ... hanapin mo na lang si Cris, at unahan mo nang sabihin na kaibigan mo si Bert at si Jaime, para ngumiti na agad! hehehe...  :wink:


Veggie-joe,

medyo-weird naman.  iyong huling bisita ko sa U.S. mga kabataan ay naka-chinelas tawag nila doon "flip-flops."  May contingent ngang university students who had an audience with Bush sa White House iilan sa kanila ay naka-chinelas rin.  

Chinelas pala ay para-sa-mahirap lang?  I love wearing chinelas, komportable kasi sa paa.  [aside from collecting guitars i also collect chinelas--joke only].  Papaano malalaman natin kong maayos nga ang RJ guitars kung hindi nila ipagamit.  Guitars are meant to be played and not just displayed.  Baguhin nila dapat ang kanilang sales practices.  Hindi ko kilala personally si Ramon Jacinto, pero kung makita ko siya--i will give him your feedback.

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« Reply #66 on: December 01, 2005, 09:38:56 AM »
musguit,

That was the subject of previous threads; marami nang nag-reklamo dito sa forums. And as far as I know, those threads and problems were already pointed out to the man RJ himself via e-mail by a mutual friend.

Sometimes it can't be helped. People make their own first impressions of other people, based on how they look, what they wear and their kilos.

I'm not taking the side of salespeople with wrong attitudes, but I can see their side too... that is, having to deal with all kinds of people coming in all day; some are prospective customers while others are just "tire-kickers". Pagod sila, maliit ang sahod, and mahina ang bentahan. I would get tired and impatient and impertinent too at some point.

If I was holding their jobs, I would need to quickly evaluate which walk-in customer is just looking and let him look around by himelf, and then try to attend more to those who seem to be doing more than just looking, and want more information. Para ma-maximize ko naman yung sales efforts ko...

As a customer naman, when a salesperson greets me and asks whether I need help (and I'm not there to buy), I always answer "Thank you, I'm just looking". So that salesperson is then free to attend to other customers who want/need help.

So what really is lacking dito sa atin? Etiquette, sales training, proper attitude, etc.? Baka kulang ang salespeople dito sa turo. Wala naman silang examples to learn by and emulate. Sa mga malaking stores like Rustan's, ok ang salespeople. They are trained how to interact and sell. Maybe smaller shops can't afford to do the same or don't care enough about store image to make the effort.

Kahit sa Guitar Center, maraming reklamo yung mga Kano sa staff ng tindahan. I've also gotten the same lousy treatment at JB and at Lazer.

But I look at it this way... if I rant about it, I just shorten my life. I just try to win over the salesperson with a smile, and a nice greeting. Even if that doesn't work, buying items from their store more than once wins them over too. And I get good treatment thereafter. That may not be the right approach for everyone, but it works for me...

Oh, and I avoid situations of prejudice altogether by dressing neatly (yun sa mukha sa kanilang may pambili) - neat shirt, slacks and shoes/sandals.

Geez, I've been going on and on and dunno if I've addressed your issues...  :oops:

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« Reply #67 on: December 01, 2005, 10:02:11 AM »
but veggiejoe, you are tisoy!  pano naman kaming mga kayumanggi???  

 :mrgreen:

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« Reply #68 on: December 01, 2005, 10:03:29 AM »
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musguit,

But I look at it this way... if I rant about it, I just shorten my life. I just try to win over the salesperson with a smile, and a nice greeting. Even if that doesn't work, buying items from their store more than once wins them over too. And I get good treatment thereafter. That may not be the right approach for everyone, but it works for me...
Geez, I've been going on and on and dunno if I've addressed your issues...  :oops:


Hi Joe,

Peace.  This is my quote for the day.  Thanks for reminding me about the situation of the salespeople too.  Courtesy and hospitality are two of Pinoy's traditional virtues.  You have definitely addressed the issue.  Thanks again and have a good day.

rene

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« Reply #69 on: December 01, 2005, 10:06:47 AM »
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Kung ganoon nga ang attitude nang RJ salespeople, b--lsh-t sila! At papaano malalaman natin kong maayos nga ang RJ guitars kung hindi nila ipagamit.  Guitars are meant to be played and not just displayed.  Baguhin nila dapat ang kanilang sales practices.  Hindi ko kilala personally si Ramon Jacinto, pero kung makita ko siya--i will give him your feedback.


musguit - relax lang! wag ka naman agad magalit sa RJ kung di mo pa naman na-experience ng personal ito.  

yung tungkol sa tsinelas, altho medyo totoo, parang inside joke na rin un.  i confessed dati sa forum that i intentionally wear sandals (+ shorts, t-shirt) when i plan to buy something.  then i test without buying when i'm in office attire. parang social experiement na alam ko naman ang magiging result :-)

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« Reply #70 on: December 01, 2005, 10:23:15 AM »
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Kahit sa Guitar Center, maraming reklamo yung mga Kano sa staff ng tindahan. I've also gotten the same lousy treatment at JB and at Lazer.


Fortunately, yung Guitar Center dito sa Dallas mabait lahat ng sales staff.  All the guitars hang on the wall, and even if I ask for the one on top, mabilis pa sa alas-kwatro na kinukuha.  They let me play pricey new guitars, vintage guitars, etc.  Last weekend, they let me play a PRS single-cut with the mega-dragon design on the body -- a $29,000 guitar na pinahawak sa naka shorts and slippers na Pinoy.  Yes, I've been a good customer to them having bought a good number of guitars and amps, but nonetheless the treatment was the same even when hindi pa nila ako kilala.

The behavior of the RJ staff is just unacceptable.  A customer is a customer.  If you don't treat him well, how can you ever expect him to buy?

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« Reply #71 on: December 01, 2005, 10:56:34 AM »
deltaslim,

I think they treat me ok more because I look like I'm an old geezer who is in there to buy something for his son.   :)

PRSman,

is that the GC somewhere on Belt Line Rd.?

True. Again, it all boils down to training your sales staff properly and sticking with some standards of service. Without that and left to their own individual diskarte, bad habits will seep back in and people slack off. Many times, on-the-job training is not enough. Very few people are self-motivated; I know I'm not... I need someone to watch over me and keep me in line and working; otherwise I tend to surf and browse the forums...  :wink:

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« Reply #72 on: December 01, 2005, 11:46:33 AM »
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yung tungkol sa tsinelas, altho medyo totoo, parang inside joke na rin un.  i confessed dati sa forum that i intentionally wear sandals (+ shorts, t-shirt) when i plan to buy something.  then i test without buying when i'm in office attire. parang social experiement na alam ko naman ang magiging result :-)


ako din, most of the time dumadaan ko sa gale after office, syempre wearing longsleeves with matching neck tie, tapos pasilip-silip lang, patanong-tanong ng konti. pero pag bibili na ko, i wear tsinelas, shorts and pambahay shirt tapos flash mo yung mga visas and mastercards pag open mo ng wallet ahihihihihi. pero i did this not to create any issue or something, sabi nga ni deltaslim parang social experiment lang.

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« Reply #73 on: December 01, 2005, 02:54:35 PM »
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PRSman,

is that the GC somewhere on Belt Line Rd.?


they shut down the branch on belt line and moved to 635.  yes, dun ako nag-test ng sc with the dragon.  ganda nung dragon.  i learned that they will let you haggle for prices of used guitars.  i bought a used les paul at about 20% less than the tag price. may tawad din pala dito, di lang sa tiyangge sa greenhills...  :D

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« Reply #74 on: December 01, 2005, 08:08:01 PM »
OT:

speaking of RJ as a store, correct me if im wrong, pero parang ang mahal nila magbenta ng mga old stocks nila. i saw a fender jazzmaster in the glorietta branch, it was like 68k. hindi ata ganun kamahal un e.. im not really sure. it looked good though. transparent to black burst.
tpos ung mga GT2 nila, 15k ung quote sakin..