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Offline firemodel55

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« Reply #75 on: December 29, 2013, 11:28:19 AM »
wala yan sa tonewood tonewood kung yan gamay nya eh  :-D :wave:

Eh bakit pa kayo namimili ng gitara kung sa gamay lang pala at wala sa kahoy?  Eh dapat lumanog na lang kayo or santa mesa na electric.

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« Reply #76 on: December 30, 2013, 06:15:04 AM »
firemodel55, post ka naman ng clips or video na may comparison, yung raw sound sana. If your tone is really that great, please share it. thanks

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« Reply #77 on: December 30, 2013, 07:56:25 AM »
^ better visit him as sobrang laki ng limitations ng video pag dating sa sound.

bring your guitar/amp, so you can compare directly, ma A/B mo pa.


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« Reply #78 on: December 30, 2013, 09:08:58 AM »
firemodel55, post ka naman ng clips or video na may comparison, yung raw sound sana. If your tone is really that great, please share it. thanks

I suggest you come over and bring your stuff to compare.  I ask you the same question: would you buy gear based on its sound over the internet or do you try out the gear IN PERSON first before you buy it?  If the latter, then you should afford me the same opportunity.  Thanks.

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« Reply #79 on: December 30, 2013, 09:12:17 AM »
Record na lang kaya kayo ng kanta in the same amount of time with your preferred gear and engineer. Tapos parinig nyo samin for comparison. Happy New Year!!

What for?  Punta ka na lang rito para pakingan ang gear sa kamay mo  would be better approach.  Happy Three Kings!


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« Reply #80 on: December 30, 2013, 09:16:44 AM »
Whatever. My post was not meant for you. And as usual sablay ang pag-intindi mo. I didn't say guitar equipment IS religion. What I said is that the journey to finding the right rig can be just as personal for some people.

Whatever ... duh?  Name names dude.  Talo mo pa mga bakling na nag blind item.  I think you are stating the obvious.  It is a personal journey and because its personal and without guidance; it may be flawed.
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« Reply #81 on: December 30, 2013, 09:44:46 AM »
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« Reply #82 on: December 30, 2013, 10:50:41 AM »

What for?  Punta ka na lang rito para pakingan ang gear sa kamay mo  would be better approach.  Happy Three Kings!

Tara na! Tone party on alex' house! Wala akong dadalhin kasi for sure taob yung gear ko.
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« Reply #83 on: December 30, 2013, 01:06:41 PM »
Di lahat nakakapunta jan sa bahay mo sir firemodel. Maririnig pa rin tone kahit sa video. Tulad nito just video pero alam mong its oozzing with tone http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YZveZOnuHNo

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« Reply #84 on: December 30, 2013, 02:21:57 PM »
Tara na! Tone party on alex' house! Wala akong dadalhin kasi for sure taob yung gear ko.

Gusto ko rin maki join.. I'll just let the big boys play para sa comparison based sa pandinig ko.

I know my gears aren't as pretty as firemodel's, but I'm really happy with my fender MIA now. :D I should invest for some amp though,


OT: any entry level tube head amp? at lower price? :p (will build my own cab eh)
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« Reply #85 on: December 31, 2013, 12:34:15 AM »
Happy New Year!

To those who think wood does not affect tone, good for you guys!

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« Reply #86 on: December 31, 2013, 06:53:28 AM »
Tara na! Tone party on alex' house! Wala akong dadalhin kasi for sure taob yung gear ko.

Individual tone 'party' against your own gear is what I do.  As much as I love tone parties, you really don't learn much because it does not give you sufficient time to compare your gear.  Lets just say that you never know if your gear may match something which is in the lower end range of my gear.

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« Reply #87 on: December 31, 2013, 06:54:49 AM »
Gusto ko rin maki join.. I'll just let the big boys play para sa comparison based sa pandinig ko.

I know my gears aren't as pretty as firemodel's, but I'm really happy with my fender MIA now. :D I should invest for some amp though,


OT: any entry level tube head amp? at lower price? :p (will build my own cab eh)

Malay mo you have one of the 5% of Fenders that sound good?  Always be positive but also be ready to accept defeat kung talagang panget.

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« Reply #88 on: December 31, 2013, 07:03:59 AM »
Di lahat nakakapunta jan sa bahay mo sir firemodel. Maririnig pa rin tone kahit sa video. Tulad nito just video pero alam mong its oozzing with tone http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YZveZOnuHNo

If you allow me to indulge, medyo kulang ang frequency response noong 335 sa clean.  Parang nawawala ang lower mids ng 335.  Also, parang ayaw mag sustain ang 335 niya.  Tapos ang Marshall Super Lead ay parang walang dimensionality.  Parang hindi tunog 4x12 and rather parang tunog 1x12 which is not really how that should sound.  Again, this can be an inaccurate assessment because its via youtube.  It is NOT oozing with tone.  My 335 and Marshall Super Lead (circa 1972) sounds a 200% better than this you tube video in person.  Take note, I am NOT saying that its better than the guys gear; I am just saying my live sound with that combination vis a vis youtube sounds better in person.

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« Reply #89 on: December 31, 2013, 01:24:33 PM »
firemodel55, post ka naman ng clips or video na may comparison, yung raw sound sana. If your tone is really that great, please share it. thanks

Congratulations.  Looks like you are new to this community. ;)

This is the comment I was waiting for... :D

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« Reply #90 on: December 31, 2013, 03:09:46 PM »
Oh believe me you don't get tone wood for that price...  Kung totoo sinasabi mo bakit iba iba ang tunog ng same model ng Gibson o Fender o Ibanez Gio?

ang ibig ko po sabihin ang pinagkaiba ng suhr at fender (ay probably, IMHO) ay quality (in build and in materials)
tonewise i actually agree na ibaiba xa. walang magkaparehong gitara

yes i get tonewood at any price for any guitar. Quality ung mgkakaiba.

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« Reply #91 on: December 31, 2013, 03:54:01 PM »
What for?  Punta ka na lang rito para pakingan ang gear sa kamay mo  would be better approach.  Happy Three Kings!
Ang gusto ko a marinig ko yung tunog mo at yung mga kumokontra sayo.
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« Reply #92 on: December 31, 2013, 04:02:33 PM »
A quote from steve lukather of toto:

I'm afraid with any gear you won't sound like me, really even if you DID have the exact gear you wouldn't. People think it's the amp and guitar that get the sound... Well, it is not. It HELPS to have great gear but we all sound the same thru any gear. I have played thru EVH's amps, I played Jeff Becks Strats... I still sound like me playing thru their gear! Hahaha, that's the way it is. Just groove and sound like yourself and have FUN!!!"
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« Reply #93 on: December 31, 2013, 04:05:13 PM »
Ang gusto ko a marinig ko yung tunog mo at yung mga kumokontra sayo.
Kung pupunta ko sa inyo de obligado rin ako pumunta dun sa bahay ng mga nagdidispute sa claims mo. Wala ako oras kase sir.

Oh Ok.  Forget the other guys.  If you ever have the time, come over.... Pero may nakapila pala whom I owe since last year.  Will get back to you.

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« Reply #94 on: December 31, 2013, 04:09:26 PM »
A quote from steve lukather of toto:

I'm afraid with any gear you won't sound like me, really even if you DID have the exact gear you wouldn't. People think it's the amp and guitar that get the sound... Well, it is not. It HELPS to have great gear but we all sound the same thru any gear. I have played thru EVH's amps, I played Jeff Becks Strats... I still sound like me playing thru their gear! Hahaha, that's the way it is. Just groove and sound like yourself and have FUN!!!"

But that did not stop him from being a gear head?  I understand his context.  I will never sound like him nor will he ever sound like me.  Now, I don't want to sound like him but I really need good distortion.  So I buy amps that have the best distortion and overdrive on the planet so I can sound like me.   I don't proceed to buy Steve Lukather's hands -- maybe his amps if I really found his guitar timbre compelling.   Unfortunately, people will not pay premium prices to see Steve Lukather play guitar if he sounded bad or plugged into a cheapo amp.  And that my friend is where we put his statement into context.

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« Reply #95 on: December 31, 2013, 04:13:13 PM »
But that did not stop him from being a gear head?  I understand his context.  I will never sound like him nor will he ever sound like me.  Now, I don't want to sound like him but I really need good distortion.  So I buy amps that have the best distortion and overdrive on the planet so I can sound like me.   I don't proceed to buy Steve Lukather's hands -- maybe his amps if I really found his guitar timbre compelling.   Unfortunately, people will not pay premium prices to see Steve Lukather play guitar if he sounded bad or plugged into a cheapo amp.  And that my friend is where we put his statement into context.

I would love to come over to your house and see your rig..
I'm not an arrogant guy, and there is always something new to learn...lalo na sa gitara...
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« Reply #96 on: December 31, 2013, 04:14:40 PM »
ang ibig ko po sabihin ang pinagkaiba ng suhr at fender (ay probably, IMHO) ay quality (in build and in materials)
tonewise i actually agree na ibaiba xa. walang magkaparehong gitara

yes i get tonewood at any price for any guitar. Quality ung mgkakaiba.

PEACE!  :eek:

Point taken.  Happy New Year!

P.S. Heres the back breaker, even may 'quality' tonewood na masama ang tunog.  Heh Heh

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« Reply #97 on: December 31, 2013, 04:25:03 PM »
nalala ko at some point si paul gilbert ay may plywood guitar (proto or not)
diba di naman considered tonewood pero im sure may kumiliti kay paulo
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« Reply #98 on: December 31, 2013, 06:45:08 PM »
Oh Ok.  Forget the other guys.  If you ever have the time, come over.... Pero may nakapila pala whom I owe since last year.  Will get back to you.
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« Reply #99 on: December 31, 2013, 07:58:58 PM »
ive tested alex's guitars and amps and compared them to an ibanez i had that had bare knuckle pickups installed. frequency wise, i thought my ibanez could cut it but the main difference is that psychological difference where a guitar actually inspires you to play better, and in result, sound better. yes, my bkp loaded ibanez sounded great but felt like a toy compared to a custom shop jackson, a suhr, the and the baker (i forgot to try the gil yaron. ugh).

as for recordings, i can conclude that it would be impossible to capture what i FELT on a recording. and i say that as someone who does recordings for a living. notes felt "stickier" on alex's guitars and almost felt like i was connected to the sound that was coming out of his amps. i literally felt like i was a way better player than i was.

we talked about how buying more expensive guitars is only a way of NARROWING the margin of error between getting a good sounding and FEELING guitar and a lemon/toy-like/plasticky guitar.

pull the "alex cant play his expensive guitars" card all you want. in the end theyre his guitars and they give him the satisfaction of actually playing them no matter what his skill level. for sure most of you can outplay him. and keep telling yourselves that you could for whatever ego-based reasons you have but ill tell you this, that speaks more about yourselves than anyone.

when i tried the baker and the suhr, i still sound like myself, but i felt like i was being my BEST self with those instruments. i felt like i was looking into a mirror that made me look good compared to a broken or dirty mirror. i was admiring the tone i could coax out of the instrument. i didnt consider the tone as part of the instrument itself because i felt like i still sounded like myself. i think im waxing poetic right now, but that only shows how indescribable it is to actually try and feel a great guitar. truly inspiring.

along the way alex asked me: which amp/guitar did you like best? you would expect me to say "ALL OF THEM" but i was surprised to found that i found my own favorites and not-so-favorites among his gear. i spent more time on the jackson chris broderick custom shop than the suhr and baker. i enjoyed my tone more on the diezel than the soldano (he told me mico/phoenix_rising preferred the soldano)

i dont think its alex's intent to invalidate all of our "tone experiences". his articulation in writing on these forums differs from how he is in real life and in our conversations, i did not feel judged at all. in the end i just gained more things to consider when choosing a guitar. and i think thats his point in making these posts. we all tend to rationalize and sometimes delude ourselves into thinking we sound good.

how many times have you been told to adjust your eq by a bandmate? we hear ourselves differently. we hear the tones of our idols filtered through recordings and listening devices. i mean, if you listen to music on ipod earphones, i dont think that would be an accurate picture of how things sound in real life. some people end up thinking that tones on ipod earphones are what things should sound like in reality and they end up tweaking their tone to be as thin and piercing as the things they use to listen to music. some people with cheap speakers with subs, tweak their tone to be overly boomy or bloated and conflict with the bass guitar. how we understand tone is based on what we consider good tone and what we use to hear good tone. alex has a good point in saying that these experts he consults with have had FIRST HAND experience with great sounding gear. there is no substitute. no soundclips, videos, youtube demos can replace that magical feeling of walking into a store, trying out as many guitars as you can and serendipitously "meeting" a great instrument.
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