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Since I have yet to see such a thread, I decided to start one in hopes that newbies would need not to post regarding analog setups. (Maybe a sticky is in order?)
Now, to the meaty stuff:
For starters, you brought yourself into this thread because youre planning to get an analog setup, or maybe an established vet looking to make the move from a processor to analog, or maybe you just want some suggestions. Rgardless of the reason, this thread would serve as a guide toward true analog freedom.
Here are my basic seven rules for going analog:
1. First, check your influences, and have a background of the tone you plan on making. Good tone starts with good knowledge of the tone you're aiming for. For example, know your playing style, are you a soloist? or maybe a riffmeister? Take time to also learn the basic aspects of tone, do you want a bottom-heavy sound? Or maybe a very meaty midrange focus? Or just outright scream mode? These would be good indicators of what you'll need in the long run for your tone-shaping.
2. With number one in mind, start off with a good Dirt (Distortion/Overdrive) pedal. If your going for some clean grit, or mild overdrive, I'd suggest picking up a dedicated overdrive (i.e. SD-1, OD-3, Badmonkey, XTD). If you want that Overdriven sound, but want more dirt you can go along with pedals that have a blend of both (i.e. BD-2, OS-2, Screaming Blues, Bluesbreaker, MXR Dist+). Going into the whole classis rock and rock arena, a good distortion will suit you well (i.e. DS-1, DS-2, Hot Head, Hot Rod). Lastly if your into the whole super-saturated molten metal sound, a metal-tuned distortion will more than tickle your tone fancy (i.e. MT-2, Metal Master, Metal Planet, Doubleshot, Dime Dist, Jackhammer, Crush Zone). Rememberm whilst each pedal can cater to a variety of sounds, they will have a certain sweet spot when it comes to the tone. Like how a screamer would give you a warm bodied tone when run through a clean amp, but can give you insane dirt when used to blast a dirty amp.
3. Of course, there are gray areas in grit; don't stop at just buying one pedal for dirt. Don;t be afraid to mix and match pedals, and learn to experiment. For example, you can use a good OD or Booster to cascade a medium hot distortion (i.e. SD-1+GV-2, or TS808+DS-1 or so on) this will give you more harmonics and add a certain depth an character to your distortion that you cant usually get with just one dirt pedal. Using a good dirt to boost an amp is also a great idea, it will give you a certain amount of harmonic distortion that you otherwise wont get when using an amp, or a dirt pedal alone.
4. Learn to evolve. After building up your dirt, add some dimension by using modulation, reverb and delay. Adding a chorus after your dirt will give you expansive riffing and add depth to your solos. A delay or reverb will add extra dimension to your passages and so on. Also, a Wah can be a good way to add character to your rig, like sweeping a wah to filter out sounds can make for a great effect.
5. Mix and Match, having a few pedals of a certain kind isnt really a bad thing, you can have two choruses and you can cascade them, or switch them out depending on your mood. This will give you more ways to experiment with your tone.
6. Add tweakability, use a compressor, gate and eq to add variations to your tone. A comp can add dynamics to your picking style and add thump to your notes. A gate can add clamping and fast stops to your palm muted progressions, while a eq can give you a boost in your solos or add a second variation to your regular tone.
7. BUDGET yourself, going analog is expensive, but it has its perks like the sound and the ease of use. But always remember to pick out the good from the great. Not because a pedal is the most expensive make it the best. (For example, I use a danelectro FAB chorus in my rig, a cheap chorus, but a wonderful sounding one at that) You'll need to spend time trying out effects to see which sound best, and always weigh your options before buying.
Next, would be how to construct your setup:
1. The chain, otherwise known as the way your pedals are arranged in your grid. As a rule of thumb, dynamics will come first (compressor), followed by a wah, then dirt, then an eq, followed by modulation then time based effects. Stuff like gates can be put after dirt to clamp down chords, or at the END of the chain to use as a noise reduction device. Of course you can change the layout of the pedals to give different sounds, use the above recommendation as a guide only, and dont be afraid to experiment.
2. The power, if your going to assemble a big chain or even a modest chain, a good power supply is a must! (Unless you plan on spending for 9v batteries every so often.)
3. The board, although not completely necessary, a board will help keep your things together and make transport a breeze.
Basically, those are the main points to ponder on when going analog, its a bit involved, but the tone you'll get in the long run will more than just make you feel good you went through all the trouble.
(Others, please do add if you have any suggestions to share.)
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,18346.0.html (http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,18346.0.html)
Above is the effects Chain thread by Poundcake.
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wow great article sir
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Add ko lang please buy at least decent cables, ganda nga ng fx at gitara, grounded nman cables mo. Sheesh!
Eniweys, OT pre (gjuanengo), tuloy tayo mamya? 630pm?
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1. The chain, otherwise known as the way your pedals are arranged in your grid. As a rule of thumb, dynamics will come first (compressor), followed by a wah, then dirt, then an eq, followed by modulation then time based effects. Stuff like gates can be put after dirt to clamp down chords, or at the END of the chain to use as a noise reduction device. Of course you can change the layout of the pedals to give different sounds, use the above recommendation as a guide only, and dont be afraid to experiment.
pasensya na bossing, from where ba ito? amp o guitar?
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1. The chain, otherwise known as the way your pedals are arranged in your grid. As a rule of thumb, dynamics will come first (compressor), followed by a wah, then dirt, then an eq, followed by modulation then time based effects. Stuff like gates can be put after dirt to clamp down chords, or at the END of the chain to use as a noise reduction device. Of course you can change the layout of the pedals to give different sounds, use the above recommendation as a guide only, and dont be afraid to experiment.
pasensya na bossing, from where ba ito? amp o guitar?
sir sa guitar. kasi guitar ung nasa start ng chain eh. sa guitar naggagaling ung signal then it passes through the effects then ang output mo is ung amp.
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Just a suggestion, when you make your board/chain, make sure its convenient. You may have all these pedals and sound great, but they weight a ton. :-D Practicaliity also comes into place here, for example, would you really need 3 dirt boxes for a 30 minute set? If you were practicing in your room, would you need all your effects turned on at the same time? Mixing and matching is important but do not over do your pedals. Use only what you need! :-D
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Oh my bad, ill add photoshopped cartoon layouts later.
Its Guitar->Comp/Dynamics->Wah->Dirt->(Gate)->EQ->Mod->Delay/Rev->(gate)->guitar
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nice article sir :-D. tinapos ko basahin kahit mahaba hehehehe...
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question...pedals like digitech X-series...can we also put these under the 'analog" category?
OT: SD2 ba digital?
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there's a thread where discussed ung pedal chains ng mga ibang users dito. maybe you could find it useful :-D
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,18346.0.html
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very informative article....thanks :-)
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good article... i suggest that this be sticky-ied.
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1. The chain, otherwise known as the way your pedals are arranged in your grid. As a rule of thumb, dynamics will come first (compressor), followed by a wah, then dirt, then an eq, followed by modulation then time based effects. Stuff like gates can be put after dirt to clamp down chords, or at the END of the chain to use as a noise reduction device. Of course you can change the layout of the pedals to give different sounds, use the above recommendation as a guide only, and dont be afraid to experiment.
pasensya na bossing, from where ba ito? amp o guitar?
the noise gate/suppressor should be placed at the very beginning of the pedal chain. hum/noise can be detected more easily before compression and distortion/ODing. compressed/leveled signals are much harder to work with for noise suppressors because a compressor also pulls up the volume of noise.
other than that, great post :)
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1. The chain, otherwise known as the way your pedals are arranged in your grid. As a rule of thumb, dynamics will come first (compressor), followed by a wah, then dirt, then an eq, followed by modulation then time based effects. Stuff like gates can be put after dirt to clamp down chords, or at the END of the chain to use as a noise reduction device. Of course you can change the layout of the pedals to give different sounds, use the above recommendation as a guide only, and dont be afraid to experiment.
pasensya na bossing, from where ba ito? amp o guitar?
the noise gate/suppressor should be placed at the very beginning of the pedal chain. hum/noise can be detected more easily before compression and distortion/ODing. compressed/leveled signals are much harder to work with for noise suppressors because a compressor also pulls up the volume of noise.
other than that, great post :)
Actually, it varies. Some gates, like the rocktron HUSH and ISP Decimator were designed to be placed last. The MXR smart gate, in between the disto and eq, I havent tried the boss, boston and behringer units yet, but in my experience, the usual end or end of dirt position works best.
But to each his own. :-D
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wow, this is a very informative article, i learned a lot about these analogs (though digital kasi ginagamit ko ngayon, ala pang budget eh :-D). but i have some question regarding on how to use these pedals. kasi im wondering kung pano sa actual performance mo and you will use a lot of effects on a particular song, pano yung transition sa pag apak dun sa pedal? for example, naka phaser ka muna, then kelangan mo mag distortion, pano yun, mag ooverlap ba yung tunog nung distortion sa phaser pag inapakan mo na yun, or magmimix yung tunog nila? so kelangan ba muna na i off ko yung phaser bago ko apakan yung distortion para di sha mag mix? :? kasi nasanay ako sa digital and hindi ko pa mashado natatry gumamit ng multi effects. :lol: thanx!
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Nice one! :-)
But as for the pedal board bit for transpo... if you're a proletariat commuter like me, i sometimes thing i'm courting danger when i bring mine.... :oops:
the trick around that, is to bring only what you need! not your whole collection! (You'll sound better too with less on your guitar's umbelical cord) :wink:
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wow, this is a very informative article, i learned a lot about these analogs (though digital kasi ginagamit ko ngayon, ala pang budget eh :-D). but i have some question regarding on how to use these pedals. kasi im wondering kung pano sa actual performance mo and you will use a lot of effects on a particular song, pano yung transition sa pag apak dun sa pedal? for example, naka phaser ka muna, then kelangan mo mag distortion, pano yun, mag ooverlap ba yung tunog nung distortion sa phaser pag inapakan mo na yun, or magmimix yung tunog nila? so kelangan ba muna na i off ko yung phaser bago ko apakan yung distortion para di sha mag mix? :? kasi nasanay ako sa digital and hindi ko pa mashado natatry gumamit ng multi effects. :lol: thanx!
The sounds will mix, if the phase is after the disto, you get a phasing distorted sound, if its before, then a distorted phasing sound. again, its in layout. In theory you can run all your peds at once, but why?
Nice one! :-)
But as for the pedal board bit for transpo... if you're a proletariat commuter like me, i sometimes thing i'm courting danger when i bring mine.... :oops:
the trick around that, is to bring only what you need! not your whole collection! (You'll sound better too with less on your guitar's umbelical cord) :wink:
Thats another good point. I also have a mini board, 1/3 of the size of my main board.
On that board I usually just keep my Keeley MT2, Boston eq and a dano Chorus. since those are what I use the most.
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wow, this is a very informative article, i learned a lot about these analogs (though digital kasi ginagamit ko ngayon, ala pang budget eh :-D). but i have some question regarding on how to use these pedals. kasi im wondering kung pano sa actual performance mo and you will use a lot of effects on a particular song, pano yung transition sa pag apak dun sa pedal? for example, naka phaser ka muna, then kelangan mo mag distortion, pano yun, mag ooverlap ba yung tunog nung distortion sa phaser pag inapakan mo na yun, or magmimix yung tunog nila? so kelangan ba muna na i off ko yung phaser bago ko apakan yung distortion para di sha mag mix? :? kasi nasanay ako sa digital and hindi ko pa mashado natatry gumamit ng multi effects. :lol: thanx!
The sounds will mix, if the phase is after the disto, you get a phasing distorted sound, if its before, then a distorted phasing sound. again, its in layout. In theory you can run all your peds at once, but why?
Nice one! :-)
But as for the pedal board bit for transpo... if you're a proletariat commuter like me, i sometimes thing i'm courting danger when i bring mine.... :oops:
the trick around that, is to bring only what you need! not your whole collection! (You'll sound better too with less on your guitar's umbelical cord) :wink:
Thats another good point. I also have a mini board, 1/3 of the size of my main board.
On that board I usually just keep my Keeley MT2, Boston eq and a dano Chorus. since those are what I use the most.
oh ok, so it means that i have to turn off first the phaser before i step on the distortion. :-)
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Yes, if youre going after a dry (uneffected) distortion sound.
Another thing I do is put the pedals close so when I step on the active, I also can step on the inactive pedal, (one off, other on) on one stomp!
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question...pedals like digitech X-series...can we also put these under the 'analog" category?
OT: SD2 ba digital?
Technically, NO. They use the AudioDNA DSP, this enables them to mimic the sounds of many pedals, which would describe the somewhat HYBRID sound that comes out of the X-series pedals.
Also, many delays and some modulations use digital technology, which would make them Hybrids.
But we still consider them analog because they come as singles, and well, sound way better than digital units because of the relative simplicity of the pedal's electronics.
The SD-2 is a TOTALLY ANALOG pedal.
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ayos to :evil:
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Thanks bro! I'll keep you posted on any new epiphanies hahaha.
Sticky maybe?
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wow, this is a very informative article, i learned a lot about these analogs (though digital kasi ginagamit ko ngayon, ala pang budget eh :-D). but i have some question regarding on how to use these pedals. kasi im wondering kung pano sa actual performance mo and you will use a lot of effects on a particular song, pano yung transition sa pag apak dun sa pedal? for example, naka phaser ka muna, then kelangan mo mag distortion, pano yun, mag ooverlap ba yung tunog nung distortion sa phaser pag inapakan mo na yun, or magmimix yung tunog nila? so kelangan ba muna na i off ko yung phaser bago ko apakan yung distortion para di sha mag mix? :? kasi nasanay ako sa digital and hindi ko pa mashado natatry gumamit ng multi effects. :lol: thanx!
sir kasama sa practice kung pano mo magagawa na parang alang lapses sa sound mo kung gaano mo kasmooth na pag palit palit ang on and off pedals to get ur sound. honestly it took me a few weeks bago ako nasanay.. ehhehhe
i have totally no regrets on my move from digital multi effects to analogs heheeh analogs just sound way better!!!!!!
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wow, this is a very informative article, i learned a lot about these analogs (though digital kasi ginagamit ko ngayon, ala pang budget eh :-D). but i have some question regarding on how to use these pedals. kasi im wondering kung pano sa actual performance mo and you will use a lot of effects on a particular song, pano yung transition sa pag apak dun sa pedal? for example, naka phaser ka muna, then kelangan mo mag distortion, pano yun, mag ooverlap ba yung tunog nung distortion sa phaser pag inapakan mo na yun, or magmimix yung tunog nila? so kelangan ba muna na i off ko yung phaser bago ko apakan yung distortion para di sha mag mix? :? kasi nasanay ako sa digital and hindi ko pa mashado natatry gumamit ng multi effects. :lol: thanx!
sir kasama sa practice kung pano mo magagawa na parang alang lapses sa sound mo kung gaano mo kasmooth na pag palit palit ang on and off pedals to get ur sound. honestly it took me a few weeks bago ako nasanay.. ehhehhe
i have totally no regrets on my move from digital multi effects to analogs heheeh analogs just sound way better!!!!!!
I'd call it high-gain tap dancing. Hahaha. It is still quite hard, I usually use breaks or some passages to mix the effects then make the switch.
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has anyone here tried ISP deciminator???...
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Its the decimator bro. :-D
Im planning on getting one on my next trip to australia. but at 229au$ its quite a piece of damage.
Its probably the best gate there is. Haha.
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wow, this is a very informative article, i learned a lot about these analogs (though digital kasi ginagamit ko ngayon, ala pang budget eh :-D). but i have some question regarding on how to use these pedals. kasi im wondering kung pano sa actual performance mo and you will use a lot of effects on a particular song, pano yung transition sa pag apak dun sa pedal? for example, naka phaser ka muna, then kelangan mo mag distortion, pano yun, mag ooverlap ba yung tunog nung distortion sa phaser pag inapakan mo na yun, or magmimix yung tunog nila? so kelangan ba muna na i off ko yung phaser bago ko apakan yung distortion para di sha mag mix? :? kasi nasanay ako sa digital and hindi ko pa mashado natatry gumamit ng multi effects. :lol: thanx!
sir kasama sa practice kung pano mo magagawa na parang alang lapses sa sound mo kung gaano mo kasmooth na pag palit palit ang on and off pedals to get ur sound. honestly it took me a few weeks bago ako nasanay.. ehhehhe
i have totally no regrets on my move from digital multi effects to analogs heheeh analogs just sound way better!!!!!!
I'd call it high-gain tap dancing. Hahaha. It is still quite hard, I usually use breaks or some passages to mix the effects then make the switch.
wow, so kelangan pala ng practice para mabilis ang transition! grabe so it would be harder if you are into mixing a lot of effects, whew! but "high-gain top dancing" i think is a part of the thrill while playing..haha!
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Hahaha, yuppers! I keep my board to 7 pedals. Im replacing the chorus, phase and adding another dirt pedal in a few months.
Now, that would add to my topic.
ANALOGS NEVER STAY CONSTANT. hahaha, its like a developing city, the dev't never stops!
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wow, this is a very informative article, i learned a lot about these analogs (though digital kasi ginagamit ko ngayon, ala pang budget eh :-D). but i have some question regarding on how to use these pedals. kasi im wondering kung pano sa actual performance mo and you will use a lot of effects on a particular song, pano yung transition sa pag apak dun sa pedal? for example, naka phaser ka muna, then kelangan mo mag distortion, pano yun, mag ooverlap ba yung tunog nung distortion sa phaser pag inapakan mo na yun, or magmimix yung tunog nila? so kelangan ba muna na i off ko yung phaser bago ko apakan yung distortion para di sha mag mix? :? kasi nasanay ako sa digital and hindi ko pa mashado natatry gumamit ng multi effects. :lol: thanx!
this would depend on what compliments the tune you are playing. the most effective way is to tap on your pedals with the rhythm of the music. that way, you'll be hitting them at exact points of time.
if you desire an overlapping transition, that's ok too, IF that is the efect you're after. thinking about it, it may sound alittle messing if not done with conviction.
I'd say, disengage the modulation effect before activating the dirt box (beam me up, scotty!) such as the phaser question, tap it off muna so that there's no bleed over.
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Hahaha, yuppers! I keep my board to 7 pedals. Im replacing the chorus, phase and adding another dirt pedal in a few months.
Now, that would add to my topic.
ANALOGS NEVER STAY CONSTANT. hahaha, its like a developing city, the dev't never stops!
nice ANALOGy sir!! haha!
btw sir can you post a diagram on how you construct and arrange those pedals? and yung sa distribution na rin ng power supply :-D it would be helpful to us newbies in analog like me :-P
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Hahaha. Okay, For now check out my post on the third to the last page on the pedalboard layout thread (third or second? im not too sure) for the current routing.
Im still working overtime on the photoshop layouts
:-D
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Its the decimator bro. :-D
Im planning on getting one on my next trip to australia. but at 229au$ its quite a piece of damage.
Its probably the best gate there is. Haha.
decimator ba bro hehehe basta yun balak kodin kumuha kaso im trying to recover pa sa delay pedal na binayaran ko
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Hahah, saan ka kukuha bro?
(By the way, topic watchers, if your going to fill in the gaps on your board, get this gate)
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sa ebay lang bro lam mo naman walang makukuhanan d2 limited lang mga stuff dito basta bago matapos ang taon meron nako nun.. nasa last sya ng wishlist ng pedals na gusto ko anyways eto yung pag kasunod sinod
1. hughes and kettner replex(digital) <<----kakabayad ko lang
2. emma rf-1
3. small clone chorus
4. mxr phaser EHV
5. ISP decimator
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H&K nakanaman!
Hahaha. Pero namamahalan ako dun sa Decimator, the MXR smart Gate is just as good rin.
It depends on the price. hahaha.
EVH Phase 90? not my type, but im waiting for an ebay-ed MXR script phase
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sa ebay lang bro lam mo naman walang makukuhanan d2 limited lang mga stuff dito basta bago matapos ang taon meron nako nun.. nasa last sya ng wishlist ng pedals na gusto ko anyways eto yung pag kasunod sinod
1. hughes and kettner replex(digital) <<----kakabayad ko lang
2. emma rf-1
3. small clone chorus
4. mxr phaser EHV
5. ISP decimator
MATINDI NA ITO!
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I'll second that! GAS KING: Modulation Category. HAHAHAHA
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tindi ng GAS ni ser istep a! :P
pa-try naman minsan ng mga pedals mu! :D
analogs... one word: EXCITING!
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sa ebay lang bro lam mo naman walang makukuhanan d2 limited lang mga stuff dito basta bago matapos ang taon meron nako nun.. nasa last sya ng wishlist ng pedals na gusto ko anyways eto yung pag kasunod sinod
1. hughes and kettner replex(digital) <<----kakabayad ko lang
2. emma rf-1
3. small clone chorus
4. mxr phaser EHV
5. ISP decimator
MATINDI NA ITO!
welll yung virus nag start sanyong dalawa ni leech yan ang hirap eh nakakahawa kau hahaha syet i need a doctor
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sa ebay lang bro lam mo naman walang makukuhanan d2 limited lang mga stuff dito basta bago matapos ang taon meron nako nun.. nasa last sya ng wishlist ng pedals na gusto ko anyways eto yung pag kasunod sinod
1. hughes and kettner replex(digital) <<----kakabayad ko lang
2. emma rf-1
3. small clone chorus
4. mxr phaser EHV
5. ISP decimator
MATINDI NA ITO!
welll yung virus nag start sanyong dalawa ni leech yan ang hirap eh nakakahawa kau hahaha syet i need a doctor
haha! bahala kayo, basta i'm done with my major pedal GAScapades.. masakit sa bulsa but it's been a fun two years buying and selling 60+ pedals in the process of tone education. as the reigning GAS god, i rescind my pedal GAS powers to.... plugzzz!!!! nyahahaha! :evil:
you'll get your sound after much experimentation but yeah, our preferences will continually evolve. but what i've learned is that until you find your ideal tone (yung babalik-balikan mo lagi), GAS will just make you buy more and more pedals.
the EVH Phase 90 is a badass phaser. sulit sya and the "Script" mode sounds at least 90-93% close to the real script logo Phase 90. i use both the EVH Phase 90 and my M-117 Flanger often in my EVH-setup board. ok rin yung Toadworks Phantasm Phaser.
as for drive pedal GAS, there's only one solution for it: buy a great-sounding tube amp :) but for gigging musicians without amp transportation, it's a different story. good tube amps are hard to come by at local bars so it's better to have our own dirt stompboxes.
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sa ebay lang bro lam mo naman walang makukuhanan d2 limited lang mga stuff dito basta bago matapos ang taon meron nako nun.. nasa last sya ng wishlist ng pedals na gusto ko anyways eto yung pag kasunod sinod
1. hughes and kettner replex(digital) <<----kakabayad ko lang
2. emma rf-1
3. small clone chorus
4. mxr phaser EHV
5. ISP decimator
MATINDI NA ITO!
welll yung virus nag start sanyong dalawa ni leech yan ang hirap eh nakakahawa kau hahaha syet i need a doctor
haha! bahala kayo, basta i'm done with my major pedal GAScapades.. masakit sa bulsa but it's been a fun two years buying and selling 60+ pedals in the process of tone education. as the reigning GAS god, i rescind my pedal GAS powers to.... plugzzz!!!! nyahahaha! :evil:
you'll get your sound after much experimentation but yeah, our preferences will continually evolve. but what i've learned is that until you find your ideal tone (yung babalik-balikan mo lagi), GAS will just make you buy more and more pedals.
the EVH Phase 90 is a badass phaser. sulit sya and the "Script" mode sounds at least 90-93% close to the real script logo Phase 90. i use both the EVH Phase 90 and my M-117 Flanger often in my EVH-setup board. ok rin yung Toadworks Phantasm Phaser.
as for drive pedal GAS, there's only one solution for it: buy a great-sounding tube amp :) but for gigging musicians without amp transportation, it's a different story. good tube amps are hard to come by at local bars so it's better to have our own dirt stompboxes.
patay tayo jan pinasa na yung Pedal GAS power hey sir poundcake im not worthy si TURI and Leech padin mas nababagay ang powers nyo would take me years an years bago ko marating ang inabot nyo ahihihihi calling master turi pinapamana ni sir poundcake ang trono nya kunin mo nah bilis :-D :-D
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has anyone here tried ISP deciminator???...
Decimator, yes, I have one. I used it with my Triaxis to minimize the noise. Best noise solution I have ever used.
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@ubersam, the decimator really lives up to its name?
Hmm, since were in the topic of analog setups, maybe we should have a list of recommended pedals here?
I'll start:
(Mainstream)
Compressor: MXR Super Comp - Insanely transparent compressor, relatively easy to come by, very low noise floor and great dynamics.
Wah (Tweakable): Dunlop 535q - Nothing can really match the power of a tweakable, fasel-loaded wah. Great sweep and deep vocal like wah.
Wah (Fixed): Dunlop Wylde Wah - VERY Deep vocal wah quality, perfect for rock/metal wah-meisters. Some may find the range too low.
Dirt: Carl Martin Crush Zone - Amazingly versatile pedal, great voicing. Lacks eq, but the tone control is tailored extremely well.
EQ: MXR Ten Band EQ - Transparent and Very Quiet. 10 bands of tone shaping is rivaled only by higher end EQ units.
Phase: MXR Phase 90 - A classic, very vintage-correct phaser with great voicing. Plus, with one knob, set-up is easy.
Chorus: Electro Harmonix Small Clone - Very Lush vintage chorus, simple controls with a very deep and warm chorus.
Delay: Carl Martin Red Repeat - VERY warm delay, almost sounds like an echo, the delay times are pretty short 400ms max, but is a great delay nonetheless.
Gate: MXR Smart Gate (I would put the decimator, but its too hard to find) - Second to the Decimator, this gate allows great signal integrity whilst keeping noise levels to nearly zero.
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Follow Up
(Boutique/Semi-Boutique)
Compressor - Robert Keeley Compressor; probably the best compressor I have ever laid my ears on. Great dynamics and extremely transparent, reacts to picking style almost instantaneously.
Wah - Fulltone Cylde; Amzing voicing, and great sweep. Pedal action is smooth and consistent throught the entire range of the pedal.
Dirt - MI Audio Tube Zone; AMAZING! Great gain control, good for both low and high gain sounds. The character control allows for an amazing variety of gain voicings from loose bluesy tone to a tight ultra high-gain sound.
Gate - ISP Decimator; The noise gate. Period.
Chorus - Fulltone Choralflange; Very warm and lush chorus, when cranked, it goes past leslie sounds and goes all the way to a decent flange.
Delay - Fulltone Tube Tape Echo; It has a real tape, what else can you ask for when it comes to an authentic tape echo/delay?
How I got these? Whenever I leave the country for trips, I make it a point to try out new pedals at the nearest music store. (And I always end up buying something, grr)
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suggest po kayo ng aus na effects... im browsing boss, visual sound and electro harmonix... as for the sound, wala pa naman akong specific genre... i like songs from gnr to saosin, etc... naghahanap po ako ng magandang effects eh... specifically distortion, overdrive...
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MI Audio Crunch Box
Boss OD-3
VisualSound Jekyll & Hyde
Vox Cooltron Bulldog
Rocktron Rampage
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Check out my analog 101 thread a few threads down.
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MI Audio Crunch Box
Boss OD-3
VisualSound Jekyll & Hyde
Vox Cooltron Bulldog
Rocktron Rampage
+1
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BASIC ayos ng efx, but u can experiment.
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i57/dubistah/pedal_order.gif)
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go for the j&h or if u want versatility tlga, go for the digitech df7.
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sa ebay lang bro lam mo naman walang makukuhanan d2 limited lang mga stuff dito basta bago matapos ang taon meron nako nun.. nasa last sya ng wishlist ng pedals na gusto ko anyways eto yung pag kasunod sinod
1. hughes and kettner replex(digital) <<----kakabayad ko lang
2. emma rf-1
3. small clone chorus
4. mxr phaser EHV
5. ISP decimator
waaaahhhhh na denied yung order ko sa h&K replex lang yang store yun sabi they can ship overseas tapos tablado philippines may bad experience daw sila sa asian countries specially indonesia hay... oh well
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Since I have yet to see such a thread, I decided to start one in hopes that newbies would need not to post regarding analog setups. (Maybe a sticky is in order?)
Now, to the meaty stuff:
For starters, you brought yourself into this thread because youre planning to get an analog setup, or maybe an established vet looking to make the move from a processor to analog, or maybe you just want some suggestions. Rgardless of the reason, this thread would serve as a guide toward true analog freedom.
Here are my basic seven rules for going analog:
1. First, check your influences, and have a background of the tone you plan on making. Good tone starts with good knowledge of the tone you're aiming for. For example, know your playing style, are you a soloist? or maybe a riffmeister? Take time to also learn the basic aspects of tone, do you want a bottom-heavy sound? Or maybe a very meaty midrange focus? Or just outright scream mode? These would be good indicators of what you'll need in the long run for your tone-shaping.
2. With number one in mind, start off with a good Dirt (Distortion/Overdrive) pedal. If your going for some clean grit, or mild overdrive, I'd suggest picking up a dedicated overdrive (i.e. SD-1, OD-3, Badmonkey, XTD). If you want that Overdriven sound, but want more dirt you can go along with pedals that have a blend of both (i.e. BD-2, OS-2, Screaming Blues, Bluesbreaker, MXR Dist+). Going into the whole classis rock and rock arena, a good distortion will suit you well (i.e. DS-1, DS-2, Hot Head, Hot Rod). Lastly if your into the whole super-saturated molten metal sound, a metal-tuned distortion will more than tickle your tone fancy (i.e. MT-2, Metal Master, Metal Planet, Doubleshot, Dime Dist, Jackhammer, Crush Zone). Rememberm whilst each pedal can cater to a variety of sounds, they will have a certain sweet spot when it comes to the tone. Like how a screamer would give you a warm bodied tone when run through a clean amp, but can give you insane dirt when used to blast a dirty amp.
3. Of course, there are gray areas in grit; don't stop at just buying one pedal for dirt. Don;t be afraid to mix and match pedals, and learn to experiment. For example, you can use a good OD or Booster to cascade a medium hot distortion (i.e. SD-1+GV-2, or TS808+DS-1 or so on) this will give you more harmonics and add a certain depth an character to your distortion that you cant usually get with just one dirt pedal. Using a good dirt to boost an amp is also a great idea, it will give you a certain amount of harmonic distortion that you otherwise wont get when using an amp, or a dirt pedal alone.
4. Learn to evolve. After building up your dirt, add some dimension by using modulation, reverb and delay. Adding a chorus after your dirt will give you expansive riffing and add depth to your solos. A delay or reverb will add extra dimension to your passages and so on. Also, a Wah can be a good way to add character to your rig, like sweeping a wah to filter out sounds can make for a great effect.
5. Mix and Match, having a few pedals of a certain kind isnt really a bad thing, you can have two choruses and you can cascade them, or switch them out depending on your mood. This will give you more ways to experiment with your tone.
6. Add tweakability, use a compressor, gate and eq to add variations to your tone. A comp can add dynamics to your picking style and add thump to your notes. A gate can add clamping and fast stops to your palm muted progressions, while a eq can give you a boost in your solos or add a second variation to your regular tone.
7. BUDGET yourself, going analog is expensive, but it has its perks like the sound and the ease of use. But always remember to pick out the good from the great. Not because a pedal is the most expensive make it the best. (For example, I use a danelectro FAB chorus in my rig, a cheap chorus, but a wonderful sounding one at that) You'll need to spend time trying out effects to see which sound best, and always weigh your options before buying.
Next, would be how to construct your setup:
1. The chain, otherwise known as the way your pedals are arranged in your grid. As a rule of thumb, dynamics will come first (compressor), followed by a wah, then dirt, then an eq, followed by modulation then time based effects. Stuff like gates can be put after dirt to clamp down chords, or at the END of the chain to use as a noise reduction device. Of course you can change the layout of the pedals to give different sounds, use the above recommendation as a guide only, and dont be afraid to experiment.
2. The power, if your going to assemble a big chain or even a modest chain, a good power supply is a must! (Unless you plan on spending for 9v batteries every so often.)
3. The board, although not completely necessary, a board will help keep your things together and make transport a breeze.
Basically, those are the main points to ponder on when going analog, its a bit involved, but the tone you'll get in the long run will more than just make you feel good you went through all the trouble.
(Others, please do add if you have any suggestions to share.)
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,18346.0.html (http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,18346.0.html)
Above is the effects Chain thread by Poundcake.
Where is the AMP in your equation?
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Where is the AMP in your equation?
maybe that involves/needs a separate thread hehe
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nasa list ko na po yung j&h... how bout sa electro harmonix... ano maganda sa kanila?
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best overdrive for me Tube Driver
Distortion for heavy stuff hehehe EMMA rf-1
kung yung mabibili d2 satin
Vox Cooltron is nice
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sir suggestion lng po toh... if u want to a very heavy guitar sound like saosin or bullet for my valentine or whatever..
the best way is to get a boss sd-1 or tube screamer tapos add to a boss metal zone 2 or boston hm100 or a boston ds100 then add it to an equalizer ( behringer or boston) wag ka mag boss sayang sa pera.then add a chorus pedal ehehhe kaw na bahala mag behringer ka na lng!!! mas mura hehehhe
tapos boston delay or boss dd3 or dd6
pramis d ka magsisisi
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all you need for that kind of music is a metalzone and an EQ. :-) gain-heaven ka na nun.
CHUGCHUG
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all you need for that kind of music is a metalzone and an EQ. :-) gain-heaven ka na nun.
CHUGCHUG
+1
tama2 plus dnt forget the humbuckers sa bridge position eheheheh ultimate chug chug
pero mas maganda pa pag ipa mod ung mt2 ehhehhe
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all you need for that kind of music is a metalzone and an EQ. :-) gain-heaven ka na nun.
CHUGCHUG
+1
tama2 plus dnt forget the humbuckers sa bridge position eheheheh ultimate chug chug
pero mas maganda pa pag ipa mod ung mt2 ehhehhe
wat specific hbucker model sir?hehehe
nipis ksi ng sound ng stock fatstrat pup ko eh.
tnx.... :lol:
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any humbucker model ... kasi sa akin i use the stock washburn humbuckers lng pero naka scalarize guitar ko kaya kumakapal at nagtutunog mahal ung humbucker .. so un no exact model of humbucker hehehe mas mura magpa scalarize eh ehhehe mahirap makakuha ng chug chug na malupit at sakto galing sa single coils eh.. usually manipis ung sound eheehhe
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nasa list ko na po yung j&h... how bout sa electro harmonix... ano maganda sa kanila?
hmm.. personally trip ko yung small clone chorus! simple lang pero maganda. ok din daw yung small stone phaser. kung may cash kas talaga, go for a memory man deluxe analog delay!
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Say i have three line signals from the guitar, one is for the tuner, the other for the clean signal and the last would be for dirt.
then i would have two line signals one from dirt and the other clean.
QUESTION:
Should i have two amps for those two out signals? or if i could have both in one amp how can i line those two signals into one?
sorry noob lang sa pedals. :-D
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Say i have three line signals from the guitar, one is for the tuner, the other for the clean signal and the last would be for dirt.
then i would have two line signals one from dirt and the other clean.
QUESTION:
Should i have two amps for those two out signals? or if i could have both in one amp how can i line those two signals into one?
sorry noob lang sa pedals. :-D
use an AB/ABY switch setup. my board has a similar routing, but i have three signal routes instead (lead tone, dirty rhythm tone, clean tone). just trace the routes of the diagram below (10-band EQ not included yet):
for your application, i suggest you get a BOSS TU-2 to act as both your tuner and signal splitter. set up your routes from the TU-2's two outputs then get an AB switch to recombine both routes into one. remember, use an AB switch and not an ABY switch as both routes are on at the same time and letting both clean and dirty signals run through the output won't sound good.
here's one of the earliest incarnations of my bigger pedalboard. use this as your reference:
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f84/ianb902/newpboard-on.jpg)
from TU-2:
output 1 (clean tone): MXR Dyna Comp >> BOSS CH-1 >> A input of AB switch (i used an ABY before)
output 2 (dirty tone): Ibanez TS-808 >> Maxon D&S II >> BOSS PS-5 >> B input of AB switch
from output of AB switch: E-H Deluxe Memory Man >> amp
for those who want a tri-route setup, you can use my current board as a reference:
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f84/ianb902/pedalboardfinal-3small.jpg)
here's my actual board setup (included the 10-band EQ/Smart Gate):
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f84/ianb902/CIMG0037-2.jpg)
route explanation:
i splitted the signal into two from the TU-2 (it has a dual output capability) then connected output 1 to the lead tone route. output 2 is connected to an ABY switch with both A and B routes on, splitting the signal into two again. the last pedals of both clean tone and dirty rhythm tone routes are connected to an AB switch, the switch's output is connected to the Choralflange's input. the Memory Man's Echo output connects to another AB switch's A input and the output of the lead tone route connects to the B input. the second AB switch's output is fed into the Sonic Stomp. there you go, three routes and one output :)
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meron din palang ABC switch if you don't want to use the TU-2 + ABY switch setup :)
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meron din palang ABC switch if you don't want to use the TU-2 + ABY switch setup :)
ayun!!! thanks very helpful reply! :lol:
so bale sa unang split ABC switch at sa dulo to recombine two sigs is an AB switch? tama ba?
hmm. mukhang tama. ahehe. salamat! :-D
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hmmm, may iba pa namang mga dual output na pedals e.. kung meron kang iba, ok yun. meron ding Y-splitter cables pero di available locally. kung gusto mo, mag-Y splitter ka then magconnect ka ng dual output pedal sa isang output ng Y splitter. sa output 1 nun ka magcoconnect ng route 1 mo, then sa output 2 nung pedal ka magconnect ng tuner mo. gets ba?
eto na lang:
Y-splitter output 1 >> dual output pedal >> route 1 >> AB switch input A
>> tuner
output 2 >> route 2 >> AB switch input B
from output of AB switch, pwedeng rekta na sa amp yun or lagay ka pa ng common pedals for both A and B routes.
pero mas madali yung TU-2 + ABY switch kung closed routes ang kelangan mo. pero since tuner lang yung third route mo, kahit hanging na lang yun ayos na yun :)
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Where is the AMP in your equation?
maybe that involves/needs a separate thread hehe
I just don't get it. After reading that novel from the original post, it didn't even mention ANYTHING about matching dirt pedals with particular amps. Ever wondered why fuzz pedals aren't that famous in the country? It's because majority of Pinoy giggers don't bring a tube amp, and fuzz pedals work best with tube amps, cranked preferably.
The thread title "Analog 101" suggests a very educational approach to setting up your signal chain. But by merely discrediting the amp in your signal chain nullifies the whole idea of setting up your pedalboard. Assuming you're a gigging musician with no amp, I would bet that even with a P50,000 pedal set-up, you cannot get consistent tone as your goal becomes a moving target.
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Where is the AMP in your equation?
maybe that involves/needs a separate thread hehe
I just don't get it. After reading that novel from the original post, it didn't even mention ANYTHING about matching dirt pedals with particular amps. Ever wondered why fuzz pedals aren't that famous in the country? It's because majority of Pinoy giggers don't bring a tube amp, and fuzz pedals work best with tube amps, cranked preferably.
The thread title "Analog 101" suggests a very educational approach to setting up your signal chain. But by merely discrediting the amp in your signal chain nullifies the whole idea of setting up your pedalboard. Assuming you're a gigging musician with no amp, I would bet that even with a P50,000 pedal set-up, you cannot get consistent tone as your goal becomes a moving target.
You know, thats not such a bad idea. Ill get to the amp equation pretty soon.
Haha
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Heres another tip I remembered after talking to a guitarist friend of mine and seeing his board.
Get a CLONE!
Sometimes, when you really want a certain sound but cant find/afford/buy the pedal you want, go and look for a clone.
Just like how the behringer and boston boxes clone Boss and other pedals.
Some are flukes, but many are diamonds in the rough!
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Say i have three line signals from the guitar, one is for the tuner, the other for the clean signal and the last would be for dirt.
then i would have two line signals one from dirt and the other clean.
QUESTION:
Should i have two amps for those two out signals? or if i could have both in one amp how can i line those two signals into one?
sorry noob lang sa pedals. :-D
use an AB/ABY switch setup. my board has a similar routing, but i have three signal routes instead (lead tone, dirty rhythm tone, clean tone). just trace the routes of the diagram below (10-band EQ not included yet):
for your application, i suggest you get a BOSS TU-2 to act as both your tuner and signal splitter. set up your routes from the TU-2's two outputs then get an AB switch to recombine both routes into one. remember, use an AB switch and not an ABY switch as both routes are on at the same time and letting both clean and dirty signals run through the output won't sound good.
here's one of the earliest incarnations of my bigger pedalboard. use this as your reference:
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f84/ianb902/newpboard-on.jpg)
from TU-2:
output 1 (clean tone): MXR Dyna Comp >> BOSS CH-1 >> A input of AB switch (i used an ABY before)
output 2 (dirty tone): Ibanez TS-808 >> Maxon D&S II >> BOSS PS-5 >> B input of AB switch
from output of AB switch: E-H Deluxe Memory Man >> amp
for those who want a tri-route setup, you can use my current board as a reference:
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f84/ianb902/pedalboardfinal-3small.jpg)
here's my actual board setup (included the 10-band EQ/Smart Gate):
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f84/ianb902/CIMG0037-2.jpg)
route explanation:
i splitted the signal into two from the TU-2 (it has a dual output capability) then connected output 1 to the lead tone route. output 2 is connected to an ABY switch with both A and B routes on, splitting the signal into two again. the last pedals of both clean tone and dirty rhythm tone routes are connected to an AB switch, the switch's output is connected to the Choralflange's input. the Memory Man's Echo output connects to another AB switch's A input and the output of the lead tone route connects to the B input. the second AB switch's output is fed into the Sonic Stomp. there you go, three routes and one output :)
wow. galing nito ah. teka does that mean ang nag ccontrl lanng isa ung ABY switch mo and naka on lang lahat ung pedals mo???
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No, his switching is like a channel switch.
He has two channels, his clean and his dirt channel. plus one into the tuner
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Say i have three line signals from the guitar, one is for the tuner, the other for the clean signal and the last would be for dirt.
then i would have two line signals one from dirt and the other clean.
QUESTION:
Should i have two amps for those two out signals? or if i could have both in one amp how can i line those two signals into one?
sorry noob lang sa pedals. :-D
use an AB/ABY switch setup. my board has a similar routing, but i have three signal routes instead (lead tone, dirty rhythm tone, clean tone). just trace the routes of the diagram below (10-band EQ not included yet):
for your application, i suggest you get a BOSS TU-2 to act as both your tuner and signal splitter. set up your routes from the TU-2's two outputs then get an AB switch to recombine both routes into one. remember, use an AB switch and not an ABY switch as both routes are on at the same time and letting both clean and dirty signals run through the output won't sound good.
here's one of the earliest incarnations of my bigger pedalboard. use this as your reference:
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f84/ianb902/newpboard-on.jpg)
from TU-2:
output 1 (clean tone): MXR Dyna Comp >> BOSS CH-1 >> A input of AB switch (i used an ABY before)
output 2 (dirty tone): Ibanez TS-808 >> Maxon D&S II >> BOSS PS-5 >> B input of AB switch
from output of AB switch: E-H Deluxe Memory Man >> amp
for those who want a tri-route setup, you can use my current board as a reference:
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f84/ianb902/pedalboardfinal-3small.jpg)
here's my actual board setup (included the 10-band EQ/Smart Gate):
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f84/ianb902/CIMG0037-2.jpg)
route explanation:
i splitted the signal into two from the TU-2 (it has a dual output capability) then connected output 1 to the lead tone route. output 2 is connected to an ABY switch with both A and B routes on, splitting the signal into two again. the last pedals of both clean tone and dirty rhythm tone routes are connected to an AB switch, the switch's output is connected to the Choralflange's input. the Memory Man's Echo output connects to another AB switch's A input and the output of the lead tone route connects to the B input. the second AB switch's output is fed into the Sonic Stomp. there you go, three routes and one output :)
hehehe kaya mas idol nakita kesa kay turi kaw paring ang PEDAL GAS GOD ng philmusic mabuhay ka
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No, his switching is like a channel switch.
He has two channels, his clean and his dirt channel. plus one into the tuner
three channels sya actually.. lead tone, dirty rhythm tone, clean. but for the one with the Morley switch, yeah clean and dirty channel route switching yun.
hehehe kaya mas idol nakita kesa kay turi kaw paring ang PEDAL GAS GOD ng philmusic mabuhay ka
oy wala pang nagbabagong pedal since nabuo ko yung board na yan noh.. kaya di GAS god yun hehe!
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God, by god you mean Zeus?
With a board like his he must have huge shoulders!
Hahaha
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hahaha... my board's about the size of leech's board. Turi's board is a bit bigger but mas ayos ang gawa kasi may handles pa sa sides :)
palitan na ang GT-8 ng analog modulation peds, pareng Turi! baka may kelangan kang pabili, baka dumaan akong Amp Shop or Mesa Boogie Hollywood :)
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Magkano EMGS around there? hahaha.
dual 81's?
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^sa susunod na pag nakaipon pa ng onti. tindi nung custom eh. hehe :-P.
thanks for the offer but may padatin gna rin ako mga pedals this year. :mrgreen:
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Magkano EMGS around there? hahaha.
dual 81's?
Musician's Friend prices, my friend :)
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really? I like.
Pwedeng magpabili? hahaha
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Question: Let's say i have three drive pedals. How do i arrange them? Highest to lowest gain or vice versa? Sorry, analog newbie here. Thanks!
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1. The chain, otherwise known as the way your pedals are arranged in your grid. As a rule of thumb, dynamics will come first (compressor), followed by a wah, then dirt, then an eq, followed by modulation then time based effects.
if i'm going into an amp's clean channel, i'd actually put my wah first in line, then the compressor. then dirt.. so far i've tried it with vox and morley wahs. sounds better to me because the comp/dirt pedals even out the volume spike.
to all noobs: like what gjuanengo said, don't be afraid to experiment. one man's "sounds like [gooey brown stuff]!" is another man's "sounds like heaven".
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Question: Let's say i have three drive pedals. How do i arrange them? Highest to lowest gain or vice versa? Sorry, analog newbie here. Thanks!
Depends on the sound.
I usually do least to most, if im cascading all three.
But thats way tooo noisy.
Experiment
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This is a prime example of how a pedalboard setup never stays constant. :-D
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mga bossing, malapit na matapos ang pedalboard set-up ko, kaya lang me naisip akong kalokohan, hehe. I don't know kung meron pedal na ganito.
Bale multi fx sya, pero ang fx lang is delay, reverb, chorus, wah and volume. meron ba nito? salamas ng marami!!!
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mga bossing, malapit na matapos ang pedalboard set-up ko, kaya lang me naisip akong kalokohan, hehe. I don't know kung meron pedal na ganito.
Bale multi fx sya, pero ang fx lang is delay, reverb, chorus, wah and volume. meron ba nito? salamas ng marami!!!
EHX Memory Man. Delay/echo, chorus, trem. No wah and volume.
ANy multi with the drive module turned off. :-D
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mga bossing, malapit na matapos ang pedalboard set-up ko, kaya lang me naisip akong kalokohan, hehe. I don't know kung meron pedal na ganito.
Bale multi fx sya, pero ang fx lang is delay, reverb, chorus, wah and volume. meron ba nito? salamas ng marami!!!
EHX Memory Man. Delay/echo, chorus, trem. No wah and volume.
ANy multi with the drive module turned off. :-D
ganun ba, hehe, stick to original plan na lang ako. thanks
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hmm, i read somewhere na pwede mag combine ng mt2 tsaka isang overdrive...
i have both and i tried it dati pero hindi ba masyadong madumi and sobra sa feedback pag ganun? or depende sa settings kasi i cant find the right mix for that combination eh hehe :-D
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Heres what you do. Set the gain on the MT2 at the bare minimum, use the od at around 1'oclock gain. then adjust till you get the sound.
Remember, OD for gain, AMP/Pedal after for character.
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Heres what you do. Set the gain on the MT2 at the bare minimum, use the od at around 1'oclock gain. then adjust till you get the sound.
Remember, OD for gain, AMP/Pedal after for character.
ah i see hehe sige, try ko.
Thanks so much! :-D
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wait pala, diba parang ang redundant na dist pedal + od pedal? hehe di ba mas magandang combination ang dist/od + chorus/delay? whats the purpose of combining an od pedal to the mt2 pala? (since maganda na naman ang tunog ng mt2 as is, well, depende sa sound na hanap mo hehe) and ano ikalalabasan na sound ng mt2+od? can i use the od to "boost" the mt2 for lead parts or should it be the other way around? :-D sorry daming tanong hehehe
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You use the MT2 as character (the timbre) and the OD for the gain.
And two gain stages, cascaded correctly will give you a lot more depth compared to a single stage.
(ask rolexm, he uses this set-up)
Ibanez TS9->MXR Doubleshot Dist (Bottom Channel)->MXR DIme Dist.
All three are on at the same time.
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hmm, i read somewhere na pwede mag combine ng mt2 tsaka isang overdrive...
i have both and i tried it dati pero hindi ba masyadong madumi and sobra sa feedback pag ganun? or depende sa settings kasi i cant find the right mix for that combination eh hehe :-D
ako naka ts na naka 9am gain tapos Jack Bauer Mt2 gain set to 2 oclock ... oks naman mas rinig mo notes eheeh crunchy sobra and halos ala naman feedback
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taas!
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Help pls . .
Apologies to Poundcake for starting a redundent thread! Sorry Sir! :D
I currently have a Boston Engineering Distortion, EQ and Noisegate and a Century Compression sustainer pedal and a Behringer Multiefx pedal. (Chorus/Flanger/Tremolo/Delay/Phaser/Pitch Shifter)
I have them set up as follows Guitar-NoiseGate-EQ-Compression/Sustainer-Behringer MultiEfx-Distortion
(I read somwhere that generally you set up the pedals from cleanest to dirtiest sound)
and now for the questions:
( just inherited the gear so Im not really familiar w/ how thery work or should work)
Noise Gate:
How does or should the noisegate work? My noise gate almost doubles the hum when the distortion is on, and on some settings (I was just experimenting with it) kinda slows the reaction of the sound (like a delay, but only once). Im not sure if its broken or I just dont know how to set it up properly. How do I check?
Compression/Sustainer:
Same question, How does/should it work? I've tried experimenting with it and haven't really seen the actual "effect" it has on the sound, very minimal difference from clean tone. Almost unnoticed when the distortion is in effect.
Distortion:
I have no problem making this pedal work and tweaking it, the problem is the strong hum it generates. I tried yung batteries and a power supply, still the hum. I tested it alone Guitar-Pedal-Amp hum still . . Are you guys experiencing the same hum w/ your Boston Distortions?
The Behringer Multifx:
I got this covered as well, But I noticed when the delay is in effect from clean tone, it produces clear piano like sound for every note, but when distortion is added the repeats seem to break off as they progress, getting dirtier and dirtier as they fade out, Is this natural for delays?
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that's odd. my boston pedals never gave off an intolerable hum eehhehe ganda nga nung sound ng ingay nya eh parang may humihinga
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Okay, heres the deal bro.
Place the boston FIRST in your chain. Adjust it with the distortion and eq on to adjust the amount of reduction.
Follow it with the comp then disto then eq.
last is the multi.
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baka ung cables mo may problema sir?
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never use the Noise Gate and the Compressor simultaneously.
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This may sound stupid, but how do I adjust the settings on the Noise gate? What should I look for? Any settings you could recommend? i checked all the pedals, sa Boston Distortion lang tlga may hum.
as for my cables, I double checked them also, ok naman. I use Neutrik plugs and Nuvelle cables, ok naman sya. Actually the gear is silent until the Distortion gets turned on, sa ibang pedals ok naman.
Okay, heres the deal bro.
Place the boston FIRST in your chain. Adjust it with the distortion and eq on to adjust the amount of reduction.
Follow it with the comp then disto then eq.
last is the multi.
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Actually the gear is silent until the Distortion gets turned on
thats called the distortion effect, what did you expect? :-)
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HAHAHA!
I meant the hum/noise from the pedal. :-D
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try cutting the gain, and check if there's still some hum. btw, single coils ba gamit mo?
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tried that sir, meron pa din eh. yup squire strat.
I know you should expect a lil bit of hum, but mines too loud .. . parang aircon na halos eh!
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This may sound stupid, but how do I adjust the settings on the Noise gate? What should I look for? Any settings you could recommend? i checked all the pedals, sa Boston Distortion lang tlga may hum.
as for my cables, I double checked them also, ok naman. I use Neutrik plugs and Nuvelle cables, ok naman sya. Actually the gear is silent until the Distortion gets turned on, sa ibang pedals ok naman.
sorry to burst your bubble bro, pero medyo di ganun ka-effective ang filtering ng Boston Noise Gate kasi e.. hindi nafifilter ng Boston yung noise as effectively as, say an MXR Smart Gate. yung cheaper alternative nung Smart Gate is the Behringer Intelligate. i haven't tested the Behringer though. try mo rin ipa-mod yung Boston Distortion mo to reduce noise :)
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have it modded by sir jobet. :-)
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ganun ba tlga kalakas ang hum ng Boston? how abt the HM-100?
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What you hear is probably 60-cycle hum.
Turn off the TV in your room, move your amp away from the aircon, or any motor.
ANother one would probably be the distortion is out of whack. have it checked by BAMF aka Sir Jobet.
And try your setup with the TV off, amp away from your aircon or fan.
and possibly with a humbucker-loaded guitar.
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very nice, well-written article, sir :-D
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@ubersam, the decimator really lives up to its name?
Why, yassirree it does so in spades! The ISP Decimator has the most natural feel and response, not to mention sound, among the other noise reduction / gate pedals that I have tried (Boss NS-2 and Hush pedal). I had it after the wah, just before the preamp. I tried it in front of the preamp first, to cut out the guitar noise before going in. It worked so well that I never bothered trying it after the preamp (or in the loop). The preamp itself had some inherent noise in the high gain modes (high gain hiss) but I found that particular noise (and its level) to be acceptable.
When it come to noise reduction, my POV is that achieving clinical cleanness or noiselessness is virtually unattainable. You'll end up getting institutionalized with a serious case of OCD trying to. What you do want to achieve is the attainable level of cleanness or noiselessness that is acceptable to you.
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sir maka singit.. :-D
pano ba ung ibanez tubescreamer o alike na pedals? di pa ko naka gamit nito e...
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suggest po kayo ng aus na effects... im browsing boss, visual sound and electro harmonix... as for the sound, wala pa naman akong specific genre... i like songs from gnr to saosin, etc... naghahanap po ako ng magandang effects eh... specifically distortion, overdrive...
Please lang, put an amp in your wishlist too. Because the guitar-->amp chain is the basic tone you'll get. If you get an amp with OD then much better. Go tube all the way! Now let FX add the colors you want.
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start with a Boston HM100...
work your way up the GAS ladder.
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mag ts5 ka na lng or ts7 tapos mod mo na lng to ts808 specs. pramis mas mura. ganda ng tunog. i wouldn't trade my ts5 for a ts808 any day eheheheh its 1/5 the price and sounds just the way i like it. the warmth and the smooth od sound is so good ehhehe
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u can use boss sd1 or od3, mt2, ge7, bf2 narin for flange and chorus setting. tas dd3 ok na yun.
electro harmonix trip ko US Big Muff.
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ok ung article mo sir may tanong lng ako kung ok din ung mga made in china na boston at beringer baka hindi tumagal eh tanks
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ganun ba tlga kalakas ang hum ng Boston? how abt the HM-100?
i had a boston hm100 a few months back.. walang hum dude. okay na okay, at tahimik pa. hmm.. maybe the circuitry is [strawberry] up. have it checked. kung may sira, return the unit, para hindi ka rin lugi. sayang naman yung binayad mo kung magpapaayos ka pa...pwede pa sanang mod money yun. hehe. goodluck!
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hello people!
Currently im planning to get a good distortion pedal ranging 5k up to 6k maximum, second hand probably. Im into rock soloing and i dig thick, crunchy metal sounds. Whats the best i could get at this price range? I dont want an MT2 because i think it sounds nasally, neither a ds-2 i just dont want how it sounds, or jsut plug it to an EQ maybe? anyway, what could you guys suggest?
thanks a lot!
and if you also tell me what boost goes best with your suggestion.
id appreciate your suggestions! :-)
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nakuh masasagot to ni gab juanengo....gain expert hahahha
mix some dirt pedals nalang and use EQ....
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hello people!
Currently im planning to get a good distortion pedal ranging 5k up to 6k maximum, second hand probably. Im into rock soloing and i dig thick, crunchy metal sounds. Whats the best i could get at this price range? I dont want an MT2 because i think it sounds nasally, neither a ds-2 i just dont want how it sounds, or jsut plug it to an EQ maybe? anyway, what could you guys suggest?
thanks a lot!
and if you also tell me what boost goes best with your suggestion.
id appreciate your suggestions! :-)
sayang tsong! di mo naabutan yung Metal Muff ni Shekoski! yung ang ideal distortion ko, malaman! chuggy hehehe at may boost pa. :-D
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bilhin mo yung Fulltone Distortion Pro from embassy_of_dreams. it used to be mine. it's one heck of a distortion pedal :)
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I find the fulltone to be too smooth for my tastes.
If you want real metal madness in one pedal, get an MXR dime distortion. :D
Or grab a doubleshot (rolexm is selling one) and place an od before it. amazing thickness.
As for me, im happy with my vox bulldog. :D
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great article sir..eventhough it's long, i finished reading it..
it was well formulated and i guess that helps a lot..
thanks sir for the information..
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What i do pre is
Guitar -> Comp -> Wah ->dirt -> Modulation -> EQ ->Gate amp
O_O
ayus ba to?
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bilhin mo yung Fulltone Distortion Pro from embassy_of_dreams. it used to be mine. it's one heck of a distortion pedal :)
hehe sige tignan ko. mag shoshop around pa din ako.
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What i do pre is
Guitar -> Comp -> Wah ->dirt -> Modulation -> EQ ->Gate amp
O_O
ayus ba to?
I prefer the EQ BEFORE the mod, but if your setup works for you, why not diba? :-D
At the end of the day, its in how you want your setup to sound.
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nice. :-D gas up
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ang setup ko is:
guitar > Snarling Dogs Whine-o-Wah > Boss BD-2 > Behringer CS100 > Boss PS-2 > amp
may gumagawa ba nito?
mejo unorthodox ung dirt den comp, pero dito ko nakukuha ung tone na gus2 ko eh.. ang effect nya parang the comp lessens the harshness at pag-kalat ng drive ng bd2, so the effect is parang clean, transparent tone w/ mild od and semi long sustain.. mejo clapton-ish.. im using a strat tpos, sa bd-2, 10 o clock ung gain ko, tapos sa cs, 11 o clock sustain den 1 o clock attack
ang nabasa ko lang na ganito setup is yung kay robert keeley (Boss BD-2 Keeley Mod > Keeley Compressor)
any comments? mejo matagal ko na itong setup and nag-titimpla lang ako talaga by ear.. i'd like to hear oder ppls comments sana!
tnx!
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mga master =) eto po ba mali?
Compressor - Wah - Tube Driver - Krank - Trimode - Liquid Sunshine - Carl EQ - Chorus - Phaser - Fuzz - Blues Pro - Volume Pedal - Delay - Tuner
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mga master =) eto po ba mali?
Compressor - Wah - Tube Driver - Krank - Trimode - Liquid Sunshine - Carl EQ - Chorus - Phaser - Fuzz - Blues Pro - Volume Pedal - Delay - Tuner
generally, Fuzz and Blues Pro before the EQ or Chorus. a fuzz distorted phased signal isn't exactly pleasing to the ear. i normally place the tuner right before the compressor and wah but i think you're aiming to use the XLR DI output capability of the Strobostomp so it's ok to place it last :)
bili ka ng loopers and switches kasi sobrang dami mong drive pedals and it might be a bit difficult to switch drive pedals on the fly.
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mga master =) eto po ba mali?
Compressor - Wah - Tube Driver - Krank - Trimode - Liquid Sunshine - Carl EQ - Chorus - Phaser - Fuzz - Blues Pro - Volume Pedal - Delay - Tuner
waaahh!! pare isang linya lang yan? hehe tama ppoundcake bili ka kaya A/b or A/b/y/ switch..
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yup mga sir naka order na ako kay mahavisnu =)
pero sir one question pag ni link ko ba lahat yan papangit tunog?
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And two gain stages, cascaded correctly will give you a lot more depth compared to a single stage.
I never understood this until I tried it myself. I placed my Electro-Harmonix Little Big Muff right after my TS9 in my pedal chain and pretty much dropped a load with my crunch tone coming out of my C-tuned SG through the Laney VC30-212...stoner rock heaven!
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I have a GTX Heavy Metal and a GTX OD
Ano mauuna from the guitar
Bago lang ako kase e. Tapos kung pagsasabayin ko ano po ba magandang setting
Mala metallica or megadeth sana.
Then yung isa booster pang lead, but which is which. Hirap po mag search e.
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guitar - od - hm - amp
ung od ilagay mo sa zero ung gain pra pde sya as booster tpos bahala k na mgtimpla sa hm ,, d ko kc alm setting ng gtx e.. :-D
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Tnx po sir. Yung gain po pala problem ko.
Dapat naka zero
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my weird pedal setup
amp - wah -eq - flanger- chorus - distortion
i tried the setup below, pero di ko maramdaman yun mods.
amp - wah -eq - distortion - flanger- chorus
any suggestions?
thanks
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KATANUNGAN:
ang treble bleed mods ba pwedeng i-apply sa volume pedals?
less treble din ba ang mga volume peds kapag nag tone down ka?
^^
wala pa kasi ako volume pedal.
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KATANUNGAN:
ang treble bleed mods ba pwedeng i-apply sa volume pedals?
less treble din ba ang mga volume peds kapag nag tone down ka?
^^
wala pa kasi ako volume pedal.
Yung sakin dati hindi nagbabago tone nya pag vol pedal. kaya pag vol adjustment in general yun ang ginagamit ko
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KATANUNGAN:
ang treble bleed mods ba pwedeng i-apply sa volume pedals?
less treble din ba ang mga volume peds kapag nag tone down ka?
^^
wala pa kasi ako volume pedal.
hmmm yan ang di ko pa nasusubukan.. pero sa experience ko, if you place a volume pedal at the very start of your chain, it will act more like a volume knob. kung sa dulo mo naman nilagay, volume level lang talaga ang binabago.
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nagiiba nga yung tone quality kapag masmababa ang volume. diba dapat hindi?
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sakin hnd nagiiba yung tone pag mbaba volume. baka pakiramdam lang yun kasi mahina. :-) :-D
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KATANUNGAN:
ang treble bleed mods ba pwedeng i-apply sa volume pedals?
less treble din ba ang mga volume peds kapag nag tone down ka?
^^
wala pa kasi ako volume pedal.
hmmm yan ang di ko pa nasusubukan.. pero sa experience ko, if you place a volume pedal at the very start of your chain, it will act more like a volume knob. kung sa dulo mo naman nilagay, volume level lang talaga ang binabago.
hehe.. masusubukan ko yan sa tone party natin kila perf hehe.
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sakin hnd nagiiba yung tone pag mbaba volume. baka pakiramdam lang yun kasi mahina. :-) :-D
+1 :-D
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hello poh may tanung lng poh ako kasi
may ginagamit akong pedal it's a boss dual overdrive pedal
tanung ko po kung anung mgandang setting ng pedal for rock music
at hirap po ako pag live kasi naghuhum na po ung tunog pag nka on ung overdrive
kailngan ko po bang ipatingin ung gitara kasi grounded po ata hindi ko po alam or ung sa cables lang
sory angulo tnx . . :-D
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baka naman antaas ng gain ng pedal mo? more gain = more hiss/hum
bka kelangan mu ng noise gate? pero wla me msyado alam sa mga noise gate
bka single coils gamit mu? single coils usually may hum
tapos tungkol sa setting ng pedal for rock music....spend time to tweak ur pedal lang.....pagaralan mo kung ano gnagwa ng bawat knob....tapos sariling timpla nalang yan....
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as my friend said din kuya andrew
it's a single coil kuya tama ka nga
ok cge tandaan ko poh yan
salamat poh . . !!
mabuhay *:-) :-)
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Hi! I been using multi's for years but I'm a newbie on analog pedals so please bear with me.
Anyone here familiar with the boston/gtx digital reverb? I never tried one before and I need to know some facts/info before using it for my pedal setup. The picture on the website shows that it has two inputs and two outputs, what I need to know is if two (different) signals enter into these two inputs, would it combine to a single mono output which I can plug to the amp?
I need to make this work for I can't use the amp's reverb because most venues I play use direct boxes. I may drown the amp by using its reverb but the signal to main mixer/house would still be dry. (direct boxes preceeds the amp in the signal chain) It's actually simpler to use a small mixer instead but since i kind of always use subtle reverb on everything, so I prefer on using this if it's workable.
My proposed/concept setup is this,
gtr -- od -A out1(switchable wet/dry) -- wah -- dist -- (in1) reverb (out1)-- (directbox) -- amp/mixer
-B out2(wet) /chor -/flan -/del -/etc -- (inp2) reverb (out1) - (same dbox) - amp/mixer
The plan is I'll (actually, sir BAMF would) modify the od and dist to have two outputs. the additional output would have a switchable (I hope by remote footswitch, I've yet to ask sir BAMF on this..) wet/dry capability.
(Note: The reason for the od and dist to have the same modification is so the od and dist can trade places
on the signal path allowing additional tonal variations.)
Assuming that it can be done and by refering to the above diagram,
--- I can (theoritically) use two dirt pedals, well that's kind of obvious but then I'll
- have the option to blend them in a series(wet output on od) or,
- use them parallel(dry output on od) before it resolves on the reverb pedal,
--- have different clean/dirt settings for the modulation path (group B) while simultaneously have a clean dry signal using the wah path (group A), (might come handy when all modulation pedals are on, and if the (group B)whole damn signal gets muddier and muddier, you'll have a separate path for the (group A)dry and clear one) the end result (in theory) is a well preserved, clear and distinct dry signal combined with distinct wet modulations.
--- or have high-gain-guitar-solo setting on group A while using clean settings for the modulations.
There are other variations (eqs, comps, tuner, etc...) but lets stick on this for now since this is the backbone of the concept. Everything else is gravy... for now...
There are questions of course...
1. Would this setup (having two separate paths) better preserve the integrity of the signal?
or the other way around? (two signal paths to tone suck!!!)
2. Since I can use two dirt pedals simultaneously and independently, (od output dry) would it sound better
(bigger/fuller/beaffier/heavier/clearer/whateverier) having two different drive cycles working in unison
yet independent?
(ex: dist set to work on lower freq, od on the higher freq then combine on the amp)
3. Would this hum like hell? Since i can (again) use two dirts, I can (theoretically that is) lower the gain
settings on both and still achieve the desired level of drive. But then again, two dirt pedals = two hum
generators = louder/more hum or just (what the hell!@??) better sounding hum? (I'm not into high gain
settings lately but just in case...)
4. What can I use as a muting pedal? Yet would still have another use other than muting? (the things i took
for granted on the multi's) To prevent amp damage, I can always turn the amp's volume down when
unplugging something (guitar or anything else) on the pedal signal chain, but that's not the case on the
mixer/house. (through the directbox) It's a pain to communicate with the mixer/soundtech guy in the
middle of a performance and he gets angry at you when you suddenly/accidentally pull the plug from
your guitar/pedal.
5. The red pill or the blue pill? I mean, Am I asking too much from the analog world and return to multi's?
Is this setup feasible? Or just a product of my imagination?
6. Anong mas mabigat? 10 kilong bulak o 8 kilong dumbell? Ibagsak sa sariling paa galing sa taas na
limang talampakan para malaman ang kasagutan!
Thanks in advance for your opinions and suggestions!
PROLOUGE: I have a multifx (ax1500g) that got messed up on one my gigs. In the middle of a 1 hour set, the thing (well, the adaptor actually) got the nerve to play fourth of july on me just after the 3rd song. I'm not really sure what happened but after that, the thing would still booth up but sound really weak and -- alien. I changed adaptors (I always carry a spare) but it still have the same problem. I ended up playing the next 10 songs without any fx.
Since I play regularly, (and for a living) I therefore need something to replace my broken multi. I bought 3 different analog pedals so I can use something until I can buy the latest version of my multi. (or at least, that's the idea) I soon realize that these things sound a couple of shades better than my old korg. (or maybe just different in my ears, I may actually just waiting for something different from what i've been hearing for the last three years) Combined with the idea that if one of these things actually broke down in the middle of the performance, I'll simply remove it from the pedal chain and continue playing. Something not possible in a multi. There are issues of course, (heavy, expensive, etc...) but i think i can work it out.
I bought another one a few days ago, and I'm hoping to complete the 'backbone system' within two months time. So if you have a good but cheap wah and a good but cheap delay, just pm me. Thanks!
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nice topic fully loaded sticky maybe.
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@acidtest
Ang haba nun a.
Anyway, as for your signal path, mas ok siguro kung ang gagawin mo is:
wah > Dist > OD > Looper > Reverb > ANY AMP SIMULATOR or at least an EQ pedal > DI box
With the looper having the wet signal (all your modulations) in.
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OD > Looper #1 > Looper #2 > Reverb > ANY AMP SIMULATOR or at least an EQ pedal > DI box
With the looper #1 having the wet signal (all your modulations) in. And looper #2 having the wah and the distortion pedals
At least with both setups, di na kailangang ipa-mod yung overdrive at distortion pedal mo.
I've tried plugging my analog setup into the house without any preamp. Saklap ng tunog. Di ako mapakali sa nilalabas ng monitor na tunog ko e. After nun, sinubukan kong isalpak yung setup ko with a sansamp tri a.c. (amp simulator) sa dulo. Sounded better, but still lacking. IMHO, Amps are still the way to go when it comes to analog pedals. Kaso since, hindi nga pwede... Amp simulator na lang sa dulo sir.
Of course, di po ako expert or anything, just my 2 cents. :-D
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medyo mahaba nga, hehehe... got nothing to do for the last two days e.
sir voidmain,
thanks for the trouble of reading this. (hehehe) more questions now...
what are loopers? and how do they work?
if i understand correctly, they are a sort of bypass switches for the signal path. parang ung switch para lumiko ang mga train. so the signal would travel a different path when engaged. the idea is to use the quickest route to arrive at the destination or travel the route kung saan may sasakay or bababa or something like that. (hmmm... that analogy needs work...) if it is, then you are still using a single signal or train. its simple and direct. thats why it works so well.
(i'm not sure about this. i'm just deducing from your diagram) (so pls confirm my theory. thanks!)
my idea (well it's not exactly mine. more on this later.) is a bit different. i borrowed the concept from signal routing from the soundtech point of view. the way the soundtech use aux send and return on the mixer. first the signal from the microphone is assigned to channel 1. leaving it alone like that would keep it dry and it would eventually go straight to the main output where a host of devices await it. (compressors, limiters, sonic maximizers, crossovers, eqs, blahblah, to main amp) quite similar to the pedalboard concept actually. but here you cant put time based modulations on the main mix. that microphone is not the only thing connected to the mixer. theres the drumset, bass guitar, triangle, maracas... you name it. now imagine, using cathedral type reverb on a double pedal using drummer/drumset, well, that it's not exactly a pretty picture... (there are applications of this concept on the pedal board. a few examples are given on earlier posts of this thread) thats where the aux busses come in. here you can send the mics signal to lets say aux1, where it gets modulated by a reverb device then maybe a limiter before returning it to the return socket. that alone is pretty good. but wait! there's more! you can even return the signal to a different channel (lets say channel 12) on the mixer. making your options go up exponentially. from this setup, you can control the gain, eq, pan, grouping, and fader of your fx signal. then you can send it again (if you want to) on a different aux bus for further processing. all this can be done without corrupting the original signal from your microphone. that is if you push channel 12's fader down, only the fx/wet signal would go away not the main signal itself. (the parallel concept i described on my previous post)
now. this is the system that i'm trying to recreate in the pedal board. (scaled down and with a twist of course) the extra output on the od/dist would play role of the psuedo aux bus, thus allowing me (in theory) to overcome (at least partially) the tonesuck epidemic guitar players keep complaining about. it would even overcome the boston dd100 (and other similar delay pedals) signal cut problem when switching off.
on the pedal modification however, its already a made decision. i've been planning to visit sir BAMF for the longest time but something always comes up. (translation: wla pa akong pera) i keep buying something else lately. i paid him a visit once but he was out when i got there. i didnt make an appointment after all. i want my two dirt pedals modded for a different reason (upgrade/make it sound something else) first, but since i'm kind of lazy, (i dont go out much if its not a gig) and this 'concept' struck me, i prefer to get the most of everything everytime i go out of the house. another thing is, i almost always stick to what i buy. unless its really a total $h1t. (i got two gtx/boston dirt pedals and since i'm not into the heavy and high-gain stuff, i found a way for these two to work for me.) by getting it modded, i can further improve its role from acceptable into 'exceeds expectations' maybe even an 'outstanding'. combined with my 'concept' and fate willing, i may arrive into a tone uniquely my own. something most of us guitarplayers search for in our lifetimes. and for the price of what? just like the equivalent of buying a popular brand everybody use? maybe even less... (not all of us of course, a great number just wanna sound like thier idols or basically, somebody else...)
about the amp sim, well, thanks! that one i kinda missed on the equation. i got into the habit lately (in my multi before it broke down that is) of switching off the ampsim. i do this so that i can hear the distinct character of the amp i'm using,(letting it sing with it's own voice instead of making it conform to something it's not designed for) and for some reason it makes tweaking with the amps eq a lot easier. it never crossed my mind what would happen on the main mix though. the eq? i have other plans for that. i think i'll discuss that on later posts.(if ever) i'm still lingering on the 'backbone' of the concept anyway.
another thing, from my previous post, if there's a directbox, there's always an amp and there's always a main mixer. (at least on the venues i play) i think there might be some confusion there. the sansamp, if i'm not mistaken, has 3 outputs, one xlr wet, one 1/4' wet, and another 1/4' dry. it can function as the direct box. send the wet to the mixer, and the dry to the amp. its sort of redundunt to use a guitar ampsim on a good guitar amp does it? expensive though...
well almost everything on this post is still in the theoretical stage so if this thing fails, i think i'll just employ the looper system. no harm in dreaming of a better world once in a while...
by the way, how about that question on the reverb pedal from the earlier post? any info pls! thanks!!!
...and what does IMHO means?
parang ang haba na naman nito ah...
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@acidtest
Yep haba uli. :lol:
Loopers are actually just like aux send and returns.
(http://www.robertkeeley.com/images/other/1loopermultieffects.gif)
In this case, pag naka-engage yung looper, dadaan yung signal sa TS-9 at CE-2. Pag hindi, diretso lang yung signal path.
But, you can opt not to use the return and rather directly connect it to another stompbox.
Ergo:
pedal > looper > pedals ... > dual input pedal > whatever
> pedals ... >
Kung ang plano mo is that maiiwan yung delay and to use it like you said, this setup would work. Not sure about the noise it will produce though. I'd ask sir Poundcake for any advice on using loopers as signal splitters. :-D
An added bonus to using a looper is that you get to have true bypass for all you pedals in the loop in one small toy. So with this small setup, wala ka nang problem with tone sucking due to signal degradation (did that make sense?).
Sample of a looper: http://www.robertkeeley.com/product.php?id=23 (http://www.robertkeeley.com/product.php?id=23)
Ngayon, mahal na tong looper na to dahil #1 MIA, #2 Keeley. Merong gumagawa ng custom loopers for us na hindi kayang maka-bili nito. I think may binebenta si sir mahavishnu at kayang gawin to ni sir EJ. Anyway, hunt ka na lang ng pwedeng pagawan.
Medyo nalilito ako dun sa sinasabi mong pag may direct box, meron pa ring amp. Are you referring to the power amps which drive the monitors or the main speakers or are you referring to instrument amps? Personally, di ko rin gaanong gusto mag amp sim pag maganda naman yung amp. And pag maganda yung amp, mas preferred kong maglagay na lang ng mic sa harap niya para yung naririnig ko, yun ang lumalabas sa house. Kaso syempre, depende na po sa iyo yun kung mas trip nyo pa rin ng direct to house. Kung gusto nyo pa rin ng direct to house without the amp sim ruining the sound of the amp, suggestion ko na lang po use either a dual-output pedal as the last in the chain tapos connect one to the amp sim > DI and one to the amp. If not po, another looper na lang.
As for the sansamp... yung tri a.c. po is actually a programmable amp simulator. May isa siyang input at isang output. Hindi siya meant to be used as a DI box, though pwede rin. I still connected it to a DI nung ginawa ko to e. Kung yung sansamp naman na DI I think 2 outputs lang siya. 1 XLR and 1 PL. Not sure though.
With regards po dun sa reverb ng boston, di ko pa nasusubukan e. So I really can't give recommendations.
Ang IMHO po ay "in my humble opinion."
Phew... haba nun a.
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thanks!!!
and yes it made sense. the info is quite helpful and gave me a new idea. i'll ponder with this for a while before i post.
thanks again!
(nagkalituhan lang tayo dun sa directbox. but now i think we're saying the same thing)
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No prob bro. :-D
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wanna ask: where to put a Limiter pedal in a chain?
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hi! this is my first post in this forum. btw, thumbs up to all of the people who posted here, especially to those who share their extensive knowledge on effects. 8-) i hope you guys can help me out on this subject.
i'm an acoustic guitar player and my current gadget is the Zoom 504II Acoustic. this is my first and only gadget thus far and it has served me relatively well in my gigs, except for times when the sound guy can't get his mixing right.
some of my friends are recommending the new Zoom A2 with the pedal (the green one). however, i think i want to try my luck on using analog effects.
QUESTION: what is the best combination of best analog effects for acoustic guitars?
Thanks and more power!
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im looking at two distortion pedals now..
A tonebone trimode and a tone bone plexitube?
which one can i use for heavy metal? any suggestions? or kung may iba pa kayong massusuggest pkaipost. thanks!
@ max_musikero
get a reverb pedal then an equalizer.. i think thats all you might need. Or a chorus pedal if you want.
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im looking at two distortion pedals now..
A tonebone trimode and a tone bone plexitube?
which one can i use for heavy metal? any suggestions? or kung may iba pa kayong massusuggest pkaipost. thanks!
@ max_musikero
get a reverb pedal then an equalizer.. i think thats all you might need. Or a chorus pedal if you want.
between the two, get the plexitube dude. I think the trimode is patterned after the classic and the plexitube after the hot brit hehe.
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@maxi_musikero
I use my Boss AC-2 on our church's acoustic guitar. Basically, ginagamit ko siya to simulate other guitar models. Kung may idadagdag pa ko, that would be a reverb, delay and EQ pedal. Basically, overkill na yung delay, kaso minsan masayang paglaruan yung delay ng may kasabay na other rhythm or acoustic guitars. In other words, kung more than one acoustic guitar kayo, i-on mo yung delay and do ambient rhythm. Works great for me.
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@progressive_pilipinas ,@voidmain
thanks for the advice bros. i'm going to try out those pedals during the weekend. 8-)
@voidmain, is it ok to use the AC-2/AC-3 on an acoustic? kasi yung mga online demos use electric guitars. will there be any difference in sound quality if i use an acoustic?
i'm thinking of adding a BF-2/BF-3 and AW-3 and on my list. just to add more flavor. do u think a flange will work good on an acoustic? i've already tried a wah since my 504II has one and i find it handy in some songs. i'm also planning to add an octave pedal. any comments or violent reactions? hehehe.. 8-)
thanks and more power!
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here's my set up (pasensya na kung mali routing ko :-D)
wah- cs3 - uber metal- mz2 - mt2 - ge7 - ns2 - ph3 - bf3 - tr2 - rv3 - dd3
baka meron kau pede suggest na mas magandang routing mga sir. tnx! :mrgreen:
explore ko pa pag gamit ng looper.. pede ba ls2? :-) maraming salamat
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@maxi_musikero
Yep. I can shape the sound coming out of our church's guitar with it. Kaso di ko pa nasusubukan yung AC-3. Di ako maka-comment kasi yung AC-2 analog at yung AC-3 digital e. Ginagamit ko yung peizo/standard tapos tinitimpla ko na lang depende sa kailangan ng kanta. Kaso syempre, depende pa rin yun sa gitara at pandinig mo. Lately nga lang, di ko na nagagawa to kasi bagay yung single coils ng guitar ko dun sa AC-2 e.
As for the flange, di ko sure bro. Kasi personally, medyo overkill na for me yung flanger e. Kaso syempre, kung ano pa man trip mo. Sa octave, gusto kong subukan yan. OC-2 lang tapos may acoustic bass na ko... sana lang wala siyang breakup.
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here's my set up (pasensya na kung mali routing ko :-D)
wah- cs3 - uber metal- mz2 - mt2 - ge7 - ns2 - ph3 - bf3 - tr2 - rv3 - dd3
baka meron kau pede suggest na mas magandang routing mga sir. tnx! :mrgreen:
explore ko pa pag gamit ng looper.. pede ba ls2? :-) maraming salamat
wow! hehe
wah - cs3 - a/b - line a - uber metal - ge-7 - rv3 - a/b/y - both to amp
line b - ph3 - bf3 - tr2 - dd3 - a/b/y
bale ang nasa isip ko eh clean tone yung nasa line b. hehe.. explore ka nalng..
tinanggal ko yung mz2 at mt2. hehe
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@dullfingers
Ayus lang LS-2 bro, kaso mas gusto ko na naka-true bypass e. So suggestion ko po. Kumuha ka ng true-bypass loopers (pagawa ka kay EJ or whomever). Baka maka-mura ka pa. Anyway, suggested routing po:
Wah > CS-3 > Looper 1 (Uber Metal > MZ-2 > MT-2) > Looper 2 (PH-3 > BF-3 > TR-2) > Looper 3 (RV-3 > DD-3)
At least dito, wala kang signal degradation at madaling i-on-off yung dirt at modulations. Kaso bro, personally, di ko type yung NS-2 e. Tsaka medyo overkill ata ang 3 high gain pedals so tulad ng sinuggest ni sir progressive_pilipinas, tanggalin mo na lang yun MT-2 at MZ-2. Kaso syempre po kung ano pa man trip mo. :-D
Hmmm... nakaka-tuwa mag-suggest ng routings a :lol:
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maraming salamat sir voidmain at progressive pilipinas. :-) subukan ko po mga suggestions nyo.
parang gusto ko pa-mod ung mt2 ko para maging all boss set up na. at kelangan ko din ng chorus at parang gusto ko din ng sd2. i used to play a lot of metal stuff kaya napa-dami high gain pedals. hehe buti na lang nabenta ko na hm3 at ds2 ko :lol:
@ voidmain -- hindi ko po kilala si EJ hehe san pwede pagawa ng loopers?
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digital yung AC-3. hehehe...
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mga sir tanong ko lng bout sa A/B switching.. kapag tinapakan ba sya sabay sabay mag on lahat ng pedal dun sa A or B?.. tnx :-D
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mga sir tanong ko lng bout sa A/B switching.. kapag tinapakan ba sya sabay sabay mag on lahat ng pedal dun sa A or B?.. tnx :-D
pagkalam ko naka on na yung mga pedals....tapos if u press the switch...dun lang dadaan yung direction ng signal....
parang i would compare it to switching tracks on a train railroad.
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@voidmain, thanks sa advice! ndi ko alam na digital pala ang ac-3. kala ko lahat ng boss stomp boxes analog. hehe! 8-)
i visited perfect pitch-parksquare kahapon and tried out some of the stomp boxes. i tried out the ac-3, ch-1 super chorus, and ung digital reverb. ndi daw kc available yung iba. personally, nagandahan ako sa tunog nila. maybe because 1st time ko tlga mag-try out ng analog efx. hehe! 8-)
pero the best ung digital reverb. i'm thinking kung yun ang uunahin ko eh. pero do you think kailngan ko pa ng acoustic sim kung acoustic naman gitara ko to begin with? iniisip ko kc na reverb and chorus nalang muna unahin ko. mahal kc eh. hehe! :lol:
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@maxi_musikero
Ikaw bro. Personal preferrence ko lang yun. Mas gusto ko kasing maraming choices when it comes sa tone ng guitars ko.
Ayus na yung reverb actually. Tsaka tama lang na onti-onti ang pag-collect ng pedals. Magastos talaga e.
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wats d best multieffects pedal na pede isama sa analog pedals chain? ung d mashado digital sounding at tone sounding?
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bitusan parang kilala ko yang sa pic mo..... si ate karen ba yan?
nakasama namin dati sa shoot ng isang comm...
or if im mistaken baka kamukha lang
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bitusan parang kilala ko yang sa pic mo..... si ate karen ba yan?
nakasama namin dati sa shoot ng isang comm...
or if im mistaken baka kamukha lang
tol, si maria ozawa yan...japanese ehem...p***star...
ds1 should be a nice starting distortion pedal...a stock mt2, medyo ayos na...
pero tama lang na magstart ka sa hm100...low cost muna.. :-D
od2 ayos din... :-)
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starting distortion pedal?RAT hehe.
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starting distrtion ka magDS2 na 2nd hand o kaya mgBD2 ka kung gusto mo tunog gnr tpos dagdagan mo ng wah.
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how bout treble boosters? paano siya gamitin?
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wats d best multieffects pedal na pede isama sa analog pedals chain? ung d mashado digital sounding at tone sounding?
:mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Korg AX1000G or AX1500G pataas....kasi you can simulate some of the settings there in line with your current analog pedals...
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What do Limiters do? Is it okay to use them with distortion? Thanks!
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I currently have an old SD1
(i think i saw this before in another thread, i cant find it though)
Question: when i turn on the overdrive, there is a certain delay (around2-3 seconds) before the overedrive really turns on. it seems to ramp up. is there a problem with the unit itself? if so, what specific part of the stompbox is causing it? (e.g. IC, transistor etc)
thanks! :-D
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I currently have an old SD1
(i think i saw this before in another thread, i cant find it though)
Question: when i turn on the overdrive, there is a certain delay (around2-3 seconds) before the overedrive really turns on. it seems to ramp up. is there a problem with the unit itself? if so, what specific part of the stompbox is causing it? (e.g. IC, transistor etc)
thanks! :-D
there is a problem. :-D the drive should kick off right after you activate it.
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there is a problem. :-D the drive should kick off right after you activate it.
At firts it first up at once... (i rewired a few of its old wires). perhaps i should rewire all of them. :?
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Nagka problema ba after ng rewire mo?
kung oo, double check mo yung wiring mo
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thanks guys, i finally rewired it completely, at ok naman sya, alone for that matter, pero mukhang pag kinakabit ko with another pedal (behringer or guyatone) dun sya tinotopak... :cry:
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At firts it first up at once... (i rewired a few of its old wires). perhaps i should rewire all of them. :?
tip: gamitan mo muna ng multitester, to check continuities ng wires mo..
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yeah, i did check the wire continuity... also tried connecting the sd1 with my gfx5... working naman... perhaps hindi talaga sya gumagana when attached to the other stomps :?
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up! up! :-)
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mga bro sa modulations ba ang category ng acoustic simulator pedal, modeler or a like? san ba siya pede iconnect sunod sa mga ibang pedals?
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mga bro sa modulations ba ang category ng acoustic simulator pedal, modeler or a like? san ba siya pede iconnect sunod sa mga ibang pedals?
I guess it'd be better to have it very early in the chain since it's a modeler. opinion ko lang ha. :-)
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wats d best multieffects pedal na pede isama sa analog pedals chain? ung d mashado digital sounding at tone sounding?
yung ART Xtreme Multi na binenta mo sa akin. hehehe! walang bawian ha! :D
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mga bossing patulong naman sa tamang pagsetup ng mga pedals ko
from the guitar >
alin ang mag kakasunod?
FUZZ
OD
OC2
DE7
salamat sa suggestion
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if i were to use those pedals, i would arrange it this way:
guitar->oc2->od->fuzz->de7
i like the oc2 first as if i were really playing octaves. od will be my booster.
but then again, it will all boil down to what really sounds good to you. mathematically speaking, there are 24 possible combinations to choose from.
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OKS! salamat try ko yun!
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I guess it'd be better to have it very early in the chain since it's a modeler. opinion ko lang ha. :-)
Thanks dude! Ok now i know...
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@wowgie
I used to place mine before everything else kasi pwede mong i-line out at gamiting line switcher yung acoustic simulator. Makes for easy switching from acoustic tones to dirt tones.
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guys, ano kulang? kasi parang meron at hindi ko 'malasahan'..
guitar>GCB-95>BOSS BD-2>Ibanez TS-9> ?
i hope some one can help.. btw, music namin is classic rock to blues to alternative rock. rhythms & vocals lang ako..
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guys, ano kulang? kasi parang meron at hindi ko 'malasahan'..
guitar>GCB-95>BOSS BD-2>Ibanez TS-9> ?
i hope some one can help.. btw, music namin is classic rock to blues to alternative rock. rhythms & vocals lang ako..
ano ba hanap mo na sound bro?
maybe what you can do is set your bd2 as your med-high gain pedal then the ts9 to a very light OD/gain pedal. That way you can use that for lighter songs and the BD for heavier. Of course you can switch depending on taste. put the light gain AFTER the high gain, that way you can use it to push your solos when engaging your TS9 adding that oomph to your BD2
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thanks! will try that..
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yung ART Xtreme Multi na binenta mo sa akin. hehehe! walang bawian ha! :D
Uy ! I have an ART Xtreme na pinapakawalan ko. Honga warm nga yun.
PM mo ko awitee if you want it. Presyong 2nd hand Boss stomp na lang, I just need to get rid of it. Kalat e. :D
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tanong lang po...paano ba yung setting nung parang sa sugarfree, yung kahit naka-full chords ka, hindi masyadong irritating sa tenga, hindi masyadong madumi kahit may distortion?
saka din yung pang-adlib na hindi matalim or madumi yung tunog? yung parang sa guitarist sa mga banda sa variety shows sa TV like Cesar Aguas saka yung sa guitarist ng side A?
rocker din po ako ha pero kelangan ko din ng diversion sa tunog e! i hope you can share your knowledge about it....thanks!!!
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tanong lang po...paano ba yung setting nung parang sa sugarfree, yung kahit naka-full chords ka, hindi masyadong irritating sa tenga, hindi masyadong madumi kahit may distortion?
saka din yung pang-adlib na hindi matalim or madumi yung tunog? yung parang sa guitarist sa mga banda sa variety shows sa TV like Cesar Aguas saka yung sa guitarist ng side A?
rocker din po ako ha pero kelangan ko din ng diversion sa tunog e! i hope you can share your knowledge about it....thanks!!!
try an overdrive.
with your description, i can sense an SD-2 there, the crunch channel for your clean-ish dirt rhythms and the lead channel for your dirty, sticky, lead tone.
check the FAQ thread for more info about analog pedals, overdrives, distortions, and what nots. :)
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i got to emulate sugarfree bands using my DF-2 (somehat similar to DS-1 and DS-2) with the gain at 9 o'clock and tone at 11 o'clock. try also using a simple overdrive pedal. TS-5, OD-100, SD-1, etc. don't need fancy gear to get that simple distorted sound.
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Vox Cooltron is nice
+1...Vox Cooltron British Bulldog
Two-channel tube pedal. Ch1 Classic Ch2 Modern High Gain
And 9v lang power supply nyan.
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tanong lang po...paano ba yung setting nung parang sa sugarfree, yung kahit naka-full chords ka, hindi masyadong irritating sa tenga, hindi masyadong madumi kahit may distortion?
saka din yung pang-adlib na hindi matalim or madumi yung tunog? yung parang sa guitarist sa mga banda sa variety shows sa TV like Cesar Aguas saka yung sa guitarist ng side A?
rocker din po ako ha pero kelangan ko din ng diversion sa tunog e! i hope you can share your knowledge about it....thanks!!!
kahit nga TS pwede na eh hehehehe or put any overdrive pedal.
:-D
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tanong lang po...paano ba yung setting nung parang sa sugarfree, yung kahit naka-full chords ka, hindi masyadong irritating sa tenga, hindi masyadong madumi kahit may distortion?
saka din yung pang-adlib na hindi matalim or madumi yung tunog? yung parang sa guitarist sa mga banda sa variety shows sa TV like Cesar Aguas saka yung sa guitarist ng side A?
rocker din po ako ha pero kelangan ko din ng diversion sa tunog e! i hope you can share your knowledge about it....thanks!!!
try mo yung Boss DN-2 dyna drive, yung intensity nung drive eh depende din dun sa pag strum mo as gitara. :lol:
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sir metalzone mt2 or hm100 boston sabi nila same sila ng tunog ewan lang po
tube screamer for lead parts
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sir pano po ung tamang gamit ng rc-2?a loop pedal? new palang po ako sa ganitong effects cause multi effects user ako at mag aanalog ako in the near future :-D
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metal muff!
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BAMFx's HM100 mod. versatile na talaga yan. you have nothing to ask for. :-D
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i have a hell babe, and a behringer ud100, at d ko na alam ang sunod kong bibilin.. i need ur advices... thanks..
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Sa akin Alternative ang hilig ko yung set up ng pedal board ko ay Boston Wah>Boston DS100>Boston CH100>Boston FL100
yung kulang ko na lang ay boston eq, od at dd. :-D
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make sure you have good od. though behringer is fine, make sure you have the right setting. ok din kung pa-mod mo..for yer wah, go for a crybaby men. ^_^
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Behringer GDI21 pag dirt pedal..
then sa modulations, get a G2. :)
simple but effective
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hehehe.. found my sound.. update:
Guitar > Seymour Duncan Pick-up Booster > Danelectro Daddy-O > Danelectro FAB Echo (when needed) > MXR Micro Amp > Amplifier
nice sound.. crunchy and classic. good for rakenrol, classic to some alternative..
ayus!
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patulong po ng magandang chain for my fx mga sir!!!
hellbabe
digitech badmonkey
Boss ds1
Boss bf2
Boss ch1
DOD fx91 delay
Boss noise gate (NF1)
ano po ma-recommend nyo na chain? especially to reduce humming of a single coil PUP?
Thank you!!!
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NF-1 > hellbabe > bad monkey > DS-1 > BF-2 > CH-1 > FX91
unahin mo lang yun noise gate/filter mo sa chain. works for my humming guitars. :-)
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NF-1 > hellbabe > bad monkey > DS-1 > BF-2 > CH-1 > FX91
unahin mo lang yun noise gate/filter mo sa chain. works for my humming guitars. :-)
tnx bro!!!
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mga sir, tanong lang, paano ba yung settings ng effects ng gitara sa Drinking for 11 ng Mad Caddies, it is not that bago ako sa reggae pero ngayon lang ako naging conscious sa mga tone settings per genre...at dahil sa inyo yan!!!!! hehehe!!!!!
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starting distortion pedal?RAT hehe.
Exactly. RAT = versatility
Though, as you can see most of the guys here have different suggestion on which effect you need. It all boils down to your own personal preference of sound you have in mind. Best suggestion is to go out and try all the effects that you can and pick whatever suits your style.
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what's your amp? get a good amp first before spending loads of cash on effect pedals.
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Anu po ba pinagkaiba ng mga effects?
Chorus? Flanger? Delay? Phase Shift? etc... :?
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kahit nga TS pwede na eh hehehehe or put any overdrive pedal.
:-D
ds2 gamit ni ebe, pwera na lang kung nagbago na siya ng setup, pero kahit anong od pwede
2 od pedal, chorus, dd3, reverb pedals
kaw na bahala kung anung klase :lol:
what's your amp? get a good amp first before spending loads of cash on effect pedals.
oo nga, saka personal use or may band? bago ka magsetup, consider mo kung paano gagamitin, kung personal use, kahit hindi ka na mag boost ng dirt/dist pedal
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sir pano po ung tamang gamit ng rc-2?a loop pedal? new palang po ako sa ganitong effects cause multi effects user ako at mag aanalog ako in the near future :-D
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For distortion, I suggest DS1. Just in case in the future, maghanap ka ng matalas na dist pedal, pero puwede rin naman itong pakapalin by chaining a booster with it :-)
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For distortion, I suggest DS1. Just in case in the future, maghanap ka ng matalas na dist pedal, pero puwede rin naman itong pakapalin by chaining a booster with it :-)
may i suggest that if you will get a DS1---ipa-brit mod mo. :-D
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MERUN po akung equalizer, distortion, heavymetal, lahat yan boston engineering tatak...and a zoom g9.2tt
hmm tanung ku lang po....
panu po ba ung chain nya?? pd b cla pag sama samahin...kung pd,,, turo nyu sakin set up..
sensya napu...noobie lang
thnx!
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hi. nice thread. kudos for the tone-meisters!
Q: Is there anyway to combine mulit-effects and analog?
I like my KORG AX1500G already however i'd like to add 4 more pedals,
a TS-9, Marshall Shredmaster, Noise Gate and an EQ. How to proceed?
Any word from the meisters? :mrgreen:
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Q: Is there anyway to combine mulit-effects and analog?
I like my KORG AX1500G already however i'd like to add 4 more pedals,
a TS-9, Marshall Shredmaster, Noise Gate and an EQ. How to proceed?
try:
guitar>Noise Gate>TS-9>Marshall Shredmaster>EQ>KORG AX1500G>amp
you can use your multi for the colors, like flanger, chorus, wah, delay/reverb, etc..
opinion ko lang..
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Thank you sir. One more thing, is an analog pedal comes with a cable or should i buy it separately? what type of cable sir?
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Thank you sir. One more thing, is an analog pedal comes with a cable or should i buy it separately? what type of cable sir?
it does not come with a cable.you can purchase patch cables or make them yourself :-D :-D
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thank you again sir, tone-meisters! Happy holidays. :mrgreen:
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try:
guitar>Noise Gate>TS-9>Marshall Shredmaster>EQ>KORG AX1500G>amp
you can use your multi for the colors, like flanger, chorus, wah, delay/reverb, etc..
opinion ko lang..
add...
i also suggest that you turn off the ax1500g's eq and amp sim for a more natural sound. i noticed that if those are turned on the sound tends to be artificial and 'manipis'...
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add...
i also suggest that you turn off the ax1500g's eq and amp sim for a more natural sound. i noticed that if those are turned on the sound tends to be artificial and 'manipis'...
with regards to the Amp's EQ, i all set them up 12 o'clock. still, personal preference ko lang yun..
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with regards to the Amp's EQ, i all set them up 12 o'clock. still, personal preference ko lang yun..
same with me... i start with that setting anyway then some minor adjustments depending on the amps' natural voice...
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sir help sana...
pano ba maganda set-up ng gd1-21, mt2 at eq.
gusto ko 2nog ung mabigat pero malinaw.
tnx sa sasagot..
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Nice one! :-)
But as for the pedal board bit for transpo... if you're a proletariat commuter like me, i sometimes thing i'm courting danger when i bring mine.... :oops:
the trick around that, is to bring only what you need! not your whole collection! (You'll sound better too with less on your guitar's umbelical cord) :wink:
exactly!
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haha ! here's my setup for playing lamb of god songs and alternative rock !
Amp>>Volume>>MT-2>>OD100>>CH-1>>NS-2>>BF-2>>Wah>> Zoom g1 >> Guitar
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haha ! here's my setup for playing lamb of god songs and alternative rock !
Amp>>Volume>>MT-2>>OD100>>CH-1>>NS-2>>DD-3>>BF-2>>Wah>> Zoom g1 >> Guitar
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Yes, if youre going after a dry (uneffected) distortion sound.
Another thing I do is put the pedals close so when I step on the active, I also can step on the inactive pedal, (one off, other on) on one stomp!
+1 :-D
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thanks for the article. Decent guitar and amp contributes to good tone. So find a decent guitar and amp first (no offense to the author) this is a suggestion given by Nigel Hendroff of hillsong. After all it your ear who will decide in the first place. After having a decent guitar and amp it time to color your sounds with pedal. The author's suggestions are great i terms of pedal. Sir, you're a guru in analog. Thanks for this thread.
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query lang on my setup.
dunno if this proper to be under this thread since halong digital and analog yung setup koo
my current signal routing is:
guitar->ge7->mt2->me50->dd20->zoom 707ii->amp
1) i use my eq as a boost pedal (all bands are set on it's highest level ala tom morello eq)
2) zoom pedal is seldom included in my rig.
3) my guitar uses humbucker pups
i'm having problem with my setup, problems are the following:
1) humming occurs when mt2 is engaged (when using bigger amps tend to increase humming sound as compared to my practice amp which rarely produces hums)
2) when my mt2 and eq at my current setting, is both engaged it produces wild feedbacks when guitar is not strummed although i love the sustain it produces, that's why i love using it in solos. (except pag nagstop na ako mag pluck kasi that's when the wild feedback starts)
3) when i engage two dirt peds (mt2 and dirt/od of me50) it also produces hums especially if big wattage amps are used (parang sasabog yung speaker).
i tried turning the noisegate on in my me50 but it doesn't helped eliminating the hum.
That's why i only resort to using either mt2 and me50 dist/od. and since mt2 gives off a wild hum esp on bigger amps, ergo i only use me50 dist/od when using bigger amps.
what could be the resolution on this so that i can eliminate the hums.
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query lang on my setup.
dunno if this proper to be under this thread since halong digital and analog yung setup koo
my current signal routing is:
guitar->ge7->mt2->me50->dd20->zoom 707ii->amp
1) i use my eq as a boost pedal (all bands are set on it's highest level ala tom morello eq)
2) zoom pedal is seldom included in my rig.
3) my guitar uses humbucker pups
i'm having problem with my setup, problems are the following:
1) humming occurs when mt2 is engaged (when using bigger amps tend to increase humming sound as compared to my practice amp which rarely produces hums)
2) when my mt2 and eq at my current setting, is both engaged it produces wild feedbacks when guitar is not strummed although i love the sustain it produces, that's why i love using it in solos. (except pag nagstop na ako mag pluck kasi that's when the wild feedback starts)
3) when i engage two dirt peds (mt2 and dirt/od of me50) it also produces hums especially if big wattage amps are used (parang sasabog yung speaker).
i tried turning the noisegate on in my me50 but it doesn't helped eliminating the hum.
That's why i only resort to using either mt2 and me50 dist/od. and since mt2 gives off a wild hum esp on bigger amps, ergo i only use me50 dist/od when using bigger amps.
what could be the resolution on this so that i can eliminate the hums.
Check: All cables. Your power supply. Your amp. One by one.
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what could be the resolution on this so that i can eliminate the hums.
try using batteries on all your stomp boxes. see if there's any difference.
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here is my board setup, all analog, all true bypass :D
(http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af188/AnodBiomech/SAM_0431.jpg)
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hello mga sirs.. newbie here... Help lang po. Need your opinions. I'm planning to set up my pedal board. I have an old zoom 707II(ok.. ok..yeah, i know it's not the G series) which still works perfectly well and i would like to save it by putting it in the pedal chain. To use it as my reverb/delay with its foot controller as its modulator. And as i have been told, digital delays have cleaner and longer delays, which is my preference. (correct me mga sir sa "digital delay" part if i'm half baked on this, or if i am talking gibberish) Is this feasible? Any possible issues? I'm still finding myself viable reasons to shell out another 4digit on a decent delay/reverb and give away my zoom707II or save the moolah for a steady board rig and case.
Tele >>> BBE crusher - Line6 ubermetal >>> bossGE >>> bossCH1 - bossTR2 >>> VolPed >>> ZOOM707II(used as reverb/delay) :? >>> amp
(opinions that can help me optimize my chain seq is highly welcome)
Medyo bano pa po ako sa analog set-up, gusto ko lang po lumabas sa digital comfort zone to grow and learn more sa craft natin but at the same time be practical pa rin sa money, kasi mahirap din kitain yun eh. Sana po ay matulungan nyo po ako magdecide. Salamats. rakenrol!
(also posted in the ZOOM users thread)
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hmm, i too have a 707II, but at the same time has a dd20. before parang contented na ko sa delay module ng zoom, but when i tried the latter parang mas nasatisfy ako
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hmm, i too have a 707II, but at the same time has a dd20. before parang contented na ko sa delay module ng zoom, but when i tried the latter parang mas nasatisfy ako
astig yang DD20 mo sir, gusto ko rin yan! consider ko yan kapag nakaipon na. sa ngayon gusto ko lang muna mamaximize yung meron ako, hardware-wise and money-wise. Tnx for the info sir. :-D
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Mga sir,
Here's what i have on my pedal board. I need to know kung pano ko pagsusunod sunudin ang mga pedals ko eh at yung Settings na tunog mabigat. =(
Nady Wireless->Boston DS-200 (Heavy Disto) ->Boss DS-2 (Saktong Disto) -> Ibanez TS7 (Drive) -> Boston AM406 -> ZoomG1X (Delay/Acoustic/Chorus/Harmonize)
Ano po ba mgandang settings ng Boston DS-200? maingay po kase eh =(
Pwede ko ba combine Boston DS-200 + TS7?
Pwede ko ba combine ang Boss DS-2 + TS7?
Pasensya na po kung madaming tanong at madami pa kase ako malaman regarding Settings and pedal positioning.
Thank you so much in advance for the advice!
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bookmaked
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Mga sir,
Here's what i have on my pedal board. I need to know kung pano ko pagsusunod sunudin ang mga pedals ko eh at yung Settings na tunog mabigat. =(
Nady Wireless->Boston DS-200 (Heavy Disto) ->Boss DS-2 (Saktong Disto) -> Ibanez TS7 (Drive) -> Boston AM406 -> ZoomG1X (Delay/Acoustic/Chorus/Harmonize)
Ano po ba mgandang settings ng Boston DS-200? maingay po kase eh =(
Pwede ko ba combine Boston DS-200 + TS7?
Pwede ko ba combine ang Boss DS-2 + TS7?
Pasensya na po kung madaming tanong at madami pa kase ako malaman regarding Settings and pedal positioning.
Thank you so much in advance for the advice!
I just hope someone can help me on this..Thanks!
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@macario
ts7>>ds2
lagay mo sa harap yung ts7
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here is my board setup, all analog, all true bypass :D
(http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af188/AnodBiomech/SAM_0431.jpg)
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Artec is buffered bypass di ba?
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Artec is buffered bypass di ba?
i think true bypass bro,
http://www.artecsound.com/effect/index.html
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anu pong mga effects mairerecommend niyo kung ang tugtogan eh urbandub to franco ang tugtogin???
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i think true bypass bro,
http://www.artecsound.com/effect/index.html
I heard about the speculation about them being true bypass but I forgot who on the forums told me it wasn't. Have you tested them without power?
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I heard about the speculation about them being true bypass but I forgot who on the forums told me it wasn't. Have you tested them without power?
yes bro na try ko na hindi ko sinaksak VS 1Spot, guitar -> pedalboard -> amp , krengggg krenggg krenggg says the amp :D
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yup, me too i hereby certify that me apw3 wah is truebypass :-)
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you gotta love those artec descriptions sa pedals nila :lol:
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up natin to :-D
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Napapanahon na necro thread.. :lol: para sa mga nagtatanong tungkol sa analogs.. :-D
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juicy thread :drool:
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goodEve sir, ask ko lang po if sa ang Equalizer PEdal po ba is kayang gawin lahat ng tunog, kasi bibili dapat ako ng behringer GDI21 dahil nga may 3 tube amp settings siya at may mic placement. so yun nga po, kaya po ba gayahin ng EQ Pedal ang mga tunog ng differnt TUBE AMPS at MiC placement? thanx in advance sir!
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goodEve sir, ask ko lang po if sa ang Equalizer PEdal po ba is kayang gawin lahat ng tunog, kasi bibili dapat ako ng behringer GDI21 dahil nga may 3 tube amp settings siya at may mic placement. so yun nga po, kaya po ba gayahin ng EQ Pedal ang mga tunog ng differnt TUBE AMPS at MiC placement? thanx in advance sir!
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goodEve sir, ask ko lang po if sa ang Equalizer PEdal po ba is kayang gawin lahat ng tunog, kasi bibili dapat ako ng behringer GDI21 dahil nga may 3 tube amp settings siya at may mic placement. so yun nga po, kaya po ba gayahin ng EQ Pedal ang mga tunog ng differnt TUBE AMPS at MiC placement? thanx in advance sir!
Well, kung ako ang tatanungin, I just use an EQ pedal para hindi ko na kailangan kalikutin pa yung EQ settings ng amp. Isa pa, sa nakikita ko, para hindi mo na kailangan magdala ng amplifier kada gig just to keep the sound, just bring an EQ Pedal. Tweak the pedal until you get the right mix and play.
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what's your amp? get a good amp first before spending loads of cash on effect pedals.
This and after that get a decent sounding guitar before spending loads of cash on effect pedals. That way you also save more money, time and space in the long term.
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goodEve sir, ask ko lang po if sa ang Equalizer PEdal po ba is kayang gawin lahat ng tunog, kasi bibili dapat ako ng behringer GDI21 dahil nga may 3 tube amp settings siya at may mic placement. so yun nga po, kaya po ba gayahin ng EQ Pedal ang mga tunog ng differnt TUBE AMPS at MiC placement? thanx in advance sir!
Hindi., pero nakatutulong ito sa pag "timpla" ng tunog.
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Help naman po mga sir,
pwede ko po bang i-chain ang multi-effects like Boss ME 70 sa boss at artec pedals? balak ko kasing gamitin yung delay ng me 70..papano po ba ang connection nila? di ba makakasira sa isat isa yun?
any suggestions and reply is highyly appreciated..
salamat po!
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All good pedals posted here so far BUT,
Since you're just staring out, my suggestion para sayo is get a good amp first. Get a modeling amp like a Vox AD15VT - you can get different shades of ODs/distortions and modulation pedals all emulated in one amp. You can potentially avoid wasting a ton of money on effects you'll never need. :-D
Although if you insist on getting a pedal, I recommend the DS-2 since that can cover both ends of distortion spectrum pretty well.
Help naman po mga sir,
pwede ko po bang i-chain ang multi-effects like Boss ME 70 sa boss at artec pedals? balak ko kasing gamitin yung delay ng me 70..papano po ba ang connection nila? di ba makakasira sa isat isa yun?
any suggestions and reply is highyly appreciated..
salamat po!
Yes, but you'll want them in the end of the chain and it's better if you have there's a way to a way to have direct amp or amp model bypass.
Guitar -> Stombpoxes -> ME-70 -> Amp
Some people say it's better to have it before certain time-based effects, but I don't know anything about that. (You can disregard this last sentence if you don't have any time-based stompboxes)
EDIT: WOAH. Cleaning up I see.
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salamat po sir vantage! BTW I'm using Marshall MA50C tube amp...
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help naman po mga sir,
may pedal akong nabili ko for 500, DOD Equalizer pedal po sya, kso, pag sinasaksak ko, umiilaw lang siya, pero pag mjo nilakasan mo yung volume ng amp, madidinig mo na may tunog pero napakahina talaga, then naisip ko baka hindi sira, pero tinry ko timplahin, wala, ganon padin yung tunog, ano po kaya problema ng pedal na ito?
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help naman po mga sir,
may pedal akong nabili ko for 500, DOD Equalizer pedal po sya, kso, pag sinasaksak ko, umiilaw lang siya, pero pag mjo nilakasan mo yung volume ng amp, madidinig mo na may tunog pero napakahina talaga, then naisip ko baka hindi sira, pero tinry ko timplahin, wala, ganon padin yung tunog, ano po kaya problema ng pedal na ito?
- Chip failed/fried
- Soldering issue?
I wish I could be of more help. :oops:
salamat po sir vantage! BTW I'm using Marshall MA50C tube amp...
You're most welcome. Hindi na kailangan ng sir, bata pa ako! That amp's plenty loud!
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- Chip failed/fried
- Soldering issue?
nakatulong po sir! thanks! pero di ko padin ata to maaayos kung ganon, nagtry na ko baklasin pero sa nakita ko sa loob, parang wala nmng nasunog or what. Di ko talaga alam, sayang pera. hahaha
btw. to all, ano maganda gawin sa DOD compressor sustainer? hehehe . any suggestion ? thanx! :)[/list]
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- Chip failed/fried
- Soldering issue?
nakatulong po sir! thanks! pero di ko padin ata to maaayos kung ganon, nagtry na ko [pichapie] pero sa nakita ko sa loob, parang wala nmng nasunog or what. Di ko talaga alam, sayang pera. hahaha
btw. to all, ano maganda gawin sa DOD compressor sustainer? hehehe . any suggestion ? thanx! [/list]
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GOOD DAY!
I HAVE A SHORT QUESTION LANG PO
BALE MY PEDAL SETUP IS LIKE THIS
GUITAR>ME-50(where I get the tone, noise gate, comp, and distortion)>M13(where I get the equalizer, modulation, delays, and reverb)>AMP
1. Is it right to put a multi-effects like me-50 after M13?
2. Will the ME-50 Work with M13?
Thanks! Any comments/suggestions will be appreciated.
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GOOD DAY!
I HAVE A SHORT QUESTION LANG PO
BALE MY PEDAL SETUP IS LIKE THIS
GUITAR>ME-50(where I get the tone, noise gate, comp, and distortion)>M13(where I get the equalizer, modulation, delays, and reverb)>AMP
1. Is it right to put a multi-effects like me-50 after M13?
2. Will the ME-50 Work with M13?
Thanks! Any comments/suggestions will be appreciated.
1. There are no absolute rights or wrongs in effects routing since application and desired output tone will always be the primary considerations, but cascading two digital multi-effects won't bring out the best in your guitar's tone. The output of the ME-50 is basically a digitized approximation of your guitar's original tone with the added effects, which will then be digitized by the M13 yet again. Generally, double digitization isn't a very good idea.
2. If by "work," you mean it will actually function and you'll get the effects sequence that you'd want, then yes. But as far as getting the best tone that you can squeeze out of your rig, not so much.
My suggestion is to set up an all-analog preamp/dirt section and use one of your multi-effects (preferably the M13) for your modulation, time-based and reverb effects.
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1. There are no absolute rights or wrongs in effects routing since application and desired output tone will always be the primary considerations, but cascading two digital multi-effects won't bring out the best in your guitar's tone. The output of the ME-50 is basically a digitized approximation of your guitar's original tone with the added effects, which will then be digitized by the M13 yet again. Generally, double digitization isn't a very good idea.
2. If by "work," you mean it will actually function and you'll get the effects sequence that you'd want, then yes. But as far as getting the best tone that you can squeeze out of your rig, not so much.
My suggestion is to set up an all-analog preamp/dirt section and use one of your multi-effects (preferably the M13) for your modulation, time-based and reverb effects.
Thank Your Sir! Will sell my me-50 for the dirt/preamp sounds nalang :) Your advice helped me a lot. Thanks!
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Thank Your Sir! Will sell my me-50 for the dirt/preamp sounds nalang :) Your advice helped me a lot. Thanks!
Anytime, bro :)
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guitar-> ts9-> zoom hl-01-> boss ge7-> boss eh-2-> amp
the ts-9 is a standalone overdrive/crunch for some songs. for metal, ts-9 adds saturation to the zoom hl-01. i boost solos using the boss ge7 (set at a notch higher level and higher mids). boss eh-2 enhancer for cleaning up the tone in some amps and helps cut through the mix.
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