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Title: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: TaStY-zNaX on January 02, 2006, 02:59:24 PM
mga bro, ask ko lang...
anoh ba maganda sa bass drum tuning?
yung bubutusan ko yung bass drum ko sa harap o yung hindi?
di ba papanget yung tune ng bass drum ko kapag binutasan ko sa harap para may pang mic in ako, minsan kapag kalangan lagyan!
anoh ba mas maganda?
di kaya papanget yung tune ng bass drum ko kapag binutasa ko yung harap na sinlaki ng platito?

tnx!!!
HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Title: Drumset tuning!
Post by: fredzs on January 02, 2006, 05:49:10 PM
mas magiging punchy ung bass drum.. lesser boom, mas focused ung sound..

usually ang mga butas nasa 5-7 inches in diameter..

about sa tuning, I use a Pinstripe Batter, w/ Remo Muff'ls tuned just past wrinkle stage.. tapos ung front head ko, medium tuning..

punchy na punchy yung dating.. imo, sakto sya pang metal music.. dead talaga yung sound.. which is the sound im looking for in a bass drum. hehe.. i dont like the cannon sounding kasi pag double peds na 16th notes.. masyadong garbled yung sound IMO...  :)
Title: Drumset tuning!
Post by: toybitz on January 03, 2006, 03:36:19 AM
ako hindi nagbubutas kasi maapektuhan yun tone.  sayang eh, originally kaya may butas ang balat dahil sa miking.

Simon Phillips does internal miking.  Even Buddy Rich once said, "what's wrong with bass drumheads today?  they've got 'em holes..."
Title: Drumset tuning!
Post by: fredzs on January 03, 2006, 04:19:10 AM
well, depende naman sa tugtugan e.. if u play rock/metal ..  or even alternative rock.. u wouldnt need that open/resonant boomy kick ? you would need punch and power.. well, i mic my drums kasi..

but its another thing if u play jazz.. Joe Morello on Take Five.. lovely song. Imo, thats the ideal jazz drumsound....
Title: Drumset tuning!
Post by: STICKPEOPLE on January 03, 2006, 12:47:38 PM
YUP...TAMA!!! KASI USUALLY NAINVENT YANG PAGBUTAS NG HEADS DAHIL MAS EASIER YUNG PAG INSTALL NG MIC... YUNG TONE NYA MABABAGO TALAGA KASI LABAS HANGIN AND MAGDEDEPENDA NA YUNG TUNOG SA NAGCOCONTROL NG MIC... YUP! SIMMON PHIL... WALANG HOLE DRUMS NYA KASI MAS NASA LOOB YUNG IKOT NG AIR AND IT SOUNDS BOU AND CIRCULATING!! KAHIT ANO PA TUGTUGAN OK DIN YUNG OLD SKUL STYLE NA WALANG HOLE... PERO SYEMPRE KANYA KNAYA NG TIMPLA DBA!! TNX PO!
Title: need help tuning my fernando drumset
Post by: bolshoi on June 05, 2006, 06:43:58 PM
hi mga master drummers,
i have my old fernando drumset(not that old naman) sinimulan kong i restore since uso ulit ang bands ngayon and gusto ko ulit tumugtog.
i started with the heads. i bought the protone (pearl) double layer heads yun parang remo pinstripe pero mas cheaper sya. dun lang kasi kasya budget ko as of now  :?  puro batter side lang ang pinalitan ko from the toms to the bass drum. sa snare naman i used the coated one like the ambassador of remo. and for the resonant or resonance side i still used the old single layer fernando heads.now my next step is how to make it sound very nice (tuning).sa mga toms, kelangan bang mas banat ang bottom side?i tried tuning it pero di ko marinig yun deep sound na gusto kong marinig na narinig ko sa pearl drumset using that heads too.sa bass drum naman parang kulang sa boom.i tried putting this fiber sheet, yun white.
Help naman mga master para hindi naman masayang bili ko sa mga heads ko.i'm planning also to buy this mute thing, yun round na clear plastic na pinapatong sa mga top heads. need your suggestion. thanks po.
Title: need help tuning my fernando drumset
Post by: fortheloveofit on June 06, 2006, 03:21:59 PM
hello,

I suggest to get the most out of the drums is to replace also the bottom heads kse kung medyo luma na yan medyo mas makunat na at hindi na maganda yun magiging resonance. If ever you'll be replacing the bottom heads, I suggest you get a drumhead that is thinner than the batter side or the top heads. Usually remo ambassadors are best. May batter side at may bottom side ito. Yun nga lang medyo may kamahalan.

The problem with fernando drums kse is their shell lalo na yun mga old models. Medyo pag naluluma yun woodshell nababawasan yun tone. So to get the most sound specially sa toms is to buy heads that are single ply. Pag double ply kse tulad ng remo pinstripe, mas controlled or muffled yun sound so nababawasan yun tone.

Cguro personal taste mo na yun sound. Suggestion lang naman yun sa akin based on experience.

Mahirap kse i tune yun drums pag ndi maayos yun heads.

Sa pag tune sa toms experiment ka lang muna. Tune the top and bottom equally. Tapos kung gusto mo ng medyo bouncy yun heads tune the top slightly tighter than the bottom. Adjust the resonance by tuning the bottom heads. Again personal preference mo yun sound and depende rin sa playing style mo.

Sa bassdrum to get the most tone out of it is to use a front head that has no hole. Yun may hole kse is more controlled or muffled kse tapos di ba lalagyan pa ng pillow or blanket.

Kung bahay lang naman or praktisan ok na yun simple set-up. Depende rin sa budget lalo na sa mahal ng drumgears ngayon.

Sana medyo nakatulong ako. Peace
Title: need help tuning my fernando drumset
Post by: bolshoi on June 06, 2006, 07:16:02 PM
thanks man. try ko palitan yun mga bottom heads. what will happen if i paint or spray the inner part of the shell ng toms with a clear laquer, yun clear na pylox pang topcoat or clear varnish? where do u live man? are you also from makati?

salamat na marami.
Title: need help tuning my fernando drumset
Post by: Eni on June 08, 2006, 01:29:30 PM
read.
matuto kang mag tune.
http://home.earthlink.net/~prof.sound/index.html
Title: need help tuning my fernando drumset
Post by: bolshoi on June 08, 2006, 02:12:55 PM
actually i read different style ng pag tune na pero most of them applicable sa mga branded na drumset. i'm talking about fernando here. it's a case to case basis. sinunod ko yun nabasa ko pero still hindi ko napalabas yun sound na gusto ko that's why i'm asking for your suggestions maybe may alam kayo na maremedyohan fernando kit or based on your actual experience. medyo mahal kasi new drumset ngayon kaya i'm tryin na ayusin to anyway pangbahay lang naman at pang practise lang. pero syempre gusto ko din maging ok sound.  :)

thanks for the suggestions man.
Title: need help tuning my fernando drumset
Post by: Eni on June 08, 2006, 02:49:56 PM
branded or hindi branded pwede pa ring maging maganda ang tunog. ako nga pare, i spend 3 hours of tuning sa isang snare ko lng. ganun talaga it doenst matter kung ano pa tatak nyan,just follow the instruction. find the "sweet spot" ng tinotono mo. :wink: gudluck
Title: need help tuning my fernando drumset
Post by: peeves24 on June 08, 2006, 03:22:39 PM
Quote from: bolshoi
actually i read different style ng pag tune na pero most of them applicable sa mga branded na drumset. i'm talking about fernando here. it's a case to case basis. sinunod ko yun nabasa ko pero still hindi ko napalabas yun sound na gusto ko that's why i'm asking for your suggestions maybe may alam kayo na maremedyohan fernando kit or based on your actual experience. medyo mahal kasi new drumset ngayon kaya i'm tryin na ayusin to anyway pangbahay lang naman at pang practise lang. pero syempre gusto ko din maging ok sound.  :)

thanks for the suggestions man.


maybe yung hanap mong tunog e hindi talaga kaya nung drumhead. you cant expect double plies/pinstripes to have highs while single ply heads like ambassadors wont give you much oomph.

i have encountered some drums that cant be tuned properly no matter what (like my 16" maya tom). the only solution is to recut the bearing edges.
Title: need help tuning my fernando drumset
Post by: Eni on June 08, 2006, 03:47:51 PM
Quote from: peeves24
Quote from: bolshoi
actually i read different style ng pag tune na pero most of them applicable sa mga branded na drumset. i'm talking about fernando here. it's a case to case basis. sinunod ko yun nabasa ko pero still hindi ko napalabas yun sound na gusto ko that's why i'm asking for your suggestions maybe may alam kayo na maremedyohan fernando kit or based on your actual experience. medyo mahal kasi new drumset ngayon kaya i'm tryin na ayusin to anyway pangbahay lang naman at pang practise lang. pero syempre gusto ko din maging ok sound.  :)

thanks for the suggestions man.


maybe yung hanap mong tunog e hindi talaga kaya nung drumhead. you cant expect double plies/pinstripes to have highs while single ply heads like ambassadors wont give you much oomph.

i have encountered some drums that cant be tuned properly no matter what (like my 16" maya tom). the only solution is to recut the bearing edges.


true,kapag di pantay bearing egde mo,u cant seat the heads properly kaya hindi mo matono ng mabuti. in general, bili ka na ng malupit na gears kesa sa pang 'praktis lng' kc ung pang praktis lng hindi makakataga l sa long run ng pag dra-drums.
Title: need help tuning my fernando drumset
Post by: fortheloveofit on June 08, 2006, 09:17:21 PM
Ok lahat ng mga suggestions sa thread na ito. Let's face it, ndi ganun kaganda ang quality ng drums ng Fernando lalo na yun old models. Kaya nga entry level lang sila eh. Supposedly yun ang type of drums for beginning drummers and as drummers progress so does their taste for better sounding drums.

To be practical try mo bumili ng earmuff. Yun ginagamit sa construction. A lot of drummers including myself use earmuffs for protection at it also enhances the bottom end or low frequencies. Lumalalim at nagakakaroon ng body yun tunog ng drums. Minsan kse sa mga gigs makakaencounter ka ng ndi maganda na drums. Kaya most drummers use the earmuffs para gumaganda ng konti yun sound and protection na rin. Try mo bro.

peace
Title: need help tuning my fernando drumset
Post by: Eni on June 08, 2006, 09:29:26 PM
Quote from: fortheloveofit
Ok lahat ng mga suggestions sa thread na ito. Let's face it, ndi ganun kaganda ang quality ng drums ng Fernando lalo na yun old models. Kaya nga entry level lang sila eh. Supposedly yun ang type of drums for beginning drummers and as drummers progress so does their taste for better sounding drums.

To be practical try mo bumili ng earmuff. Yun ginagamit sa construction. A lot of drummers including myself use earmuffs for protection at it also enhances the bottom end or low frequencies. Lumalalim at nagakakaroon ng body yun tunog ng drums. Minsan kse sa mga gigs makakaencounter ka ng ndi maganda na drums. Kaya most drummers use the earmuffs para gumaganda ng konti yun sound and protection na rin. Try mo bro.

peace


i dont recomend it but its just me.just me ok.
pwede ka rin gumamit ng earmuffs pero sa experience ko
magiging numb ung pandinig mo tapos kapag tinanggal mo na maninibago ka sa tunog ng drums mo. magiging "more metallic"
tsaka sau, ikaw lng makakarinig nun. kung pwede lng pag live na,pati mga audience mag suot ng earmuffs.learn to tune na lng talaga :wink: gudluck
Title: need help tuning my fernando drumset
Post by: bolshoi on June 09, 2006, 04:32:44 PM
thanks peeves eni and fortheloveofit

maybe i should try to re-cut the bearing edge ng 1 tom muna.
where should i bring it for re-cutting?

thanks for your replies. i'm thinking of buying another kit pero try ko muna iayos to bka kaya pa. san ba location mo? try ko dalin sa place mo para makita mo yun sinasabi ko actual.

salamat po
Title: need help tuning my fernando drumset
Post by: peeves24 on June 09, 2006, 05:43:18 PM
bring it to me. taga makati ako busy ako sa work ngayon e set na lang for next week.
Title: need help tuning my fernando drumset
Post by: bolshoi on June 09, 2006, 06:49:02 PM
thanks peeves,

pm mo nalang saken contact # and location.

anybody here care for a jam every weekends sa place namen.
roofdeck tayo (4th flr) overlooking market market. bring your guitar and cymbals nalang ha. :lol:   sa drinks en pulutan, madali na yun.
Title: need help tuning my fernando drumset
Post by: peeves24 on June 10, 2006, 09:22:37 PM
uyyy ayos yan. tamang tama malapit lang ako

pm sent
Title: Resonant tuning
Post by: drummerboy827 on July 25, 2006, 12:02:11 AM
How do you guys tune your resonant heads? What does it do to the sound?
Title: Resonant tuning
Post by: legnacilyz on July 25, 2006, 12:11:42 AM
you can tune the resonant heads according to your preference or what sound you like... can be tuned a little lower than the batter...

this may help ---> http://www.pearldrum.com/2002_techspeak/tuning.asp

two cents! ü
Title: Resonant tuning
Post by: inigo on July 25, 2006, 01:01:31 PM
I used to tune my resos higher than my batters, so it would make that "tooowmmb" sound.  But I had problems doing doubles because the batter head seemed to vibrate in an uneven way. I think it's my choice of pitches, but I wasn't one to really think about it deeply.  

Now I tune my toms' batter and reso heads at the same pitch.  It sustains better and for some reason my sticks play better. I guess it's the match in frequency... the heads now vibrate more predictably.

Haven't tried the resos to be lower-pitched, although ^^^legnacilyz' link says it's a deeper sound.  Although I don't imagine a pitch drop happening... the reso head supposedly sounds out first when you hit a drum (thus a pitch "drop" when you tune the reso higher than the batter). I'd imagine a pitch "rise" instead, which I'm really not comfortable with.

Anyways... it's always fun to experiment... if you have the time (sigh  :cry: )
Title: Resonant tuning
Post by: Eni on July 25, 2006, 01:57:37 PM
pitch.
Title: Resonant tuning
Post by: autoexec on July 26, 2006, 01:26:56 AM
ako mas lower yung resonance ko  :D
Title: tuning drums a 5th from each other
Post by: g0d5_g1ft on August 15, 2006, 01:23:17 PM
can anyone pls explain what this means or how to achieve this? im reading the tuning bible and i came across this and im dumbfounded on what it means. im trying to tune my drums to reduce the sympathetic buzz from the snare when i hit my low tom... and thinking tuning the drums a 5th from each other would give them a interval in sound. thanks all!
Title: tuning drums a 5th from each other
Post by: pmack on August 15, 2006, 01:43:10 PM
it means that, for example, you tune your small rack tom to the note of C, then the succeding rack or floor tom should be tuned G (or A nga ba? im confused din. hehe.) kasi C is "do" in "do-re-mi-fa-sol-la-ti-do", and G is "sol".

ganun yung concept nyan.

but i must stress for my sake na di ako drum guru. medyo alam ko lang kasi ung concept kaya i decided to chip in.

hehehe...

have a nice day... :D

p.s. i learned this from gregg bissonette's "musical drumming in different styles" DVD. napaka-informative nun.
Title: tuning drums a 5th from each other
Post by: g0d5_g1ft on August 15, 2006, 02:06:23 PM
i think i understand sir pmack i think A dapat after ng C for 5th intervals... i tried using 4ths using ung sabi mo
 i figured eto dapat tuning
12x10 - A#
13x12  - C# (if this was 14x12 it would be F)
16x14 - C (almost an octave below the 13" tom prang mali)
22x16 - F below C#
14x5.5 snare - G above A#(12x10)

based ko po ito sa tuning bible v.3

tama ba kung ito gawin ko?

wag na po flame kasi po n00b pa tlga ako  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :oops:
Title: tuning drums a 5th from each other
Post by: peeves24 on August 15, 2006, 02:06:28 PM
before you start learning about intervals, how do you determine what note your tom is on or any of your drums for the matter?

if you have a way to determine that, please enlighten

then its all ABC easy as 123, reciting the fifth note down from your first tom.

if tom1 is tuned to C then your next tom would have to be tuned to G.

gets po? C, D, E, F, G. G yung fifth interval from C

now were back to doh, a deer, a female deer, fa a long long way to ruuun...come sing with now... :oops:


intervals are easy enough, IF you know what note to start from, so kung nalaman mo kung pano, post mo dito ha  :D di ko rin alam e
Title: tuning drums a 5th from each other
Post by: peeves24 on August 15, 2006, 02:07:11 PM
waah bilis nyo magreply ah. iniisip ko pa yung song sa sound of music nakareply na agad kayo  :cry:
Title: tuning drums a 5th from each other
Post by: g0d5_g1ft on August 15, 2006, 02:11:34 PM
@ sir peeves:  un nga sunod kong tanong sir eh ehehehe... di ba mababasa ng isang mic ang frequency ng isa drum? i mean i know sa guitar A string = 440hz... though malayo ang strings sa "noise" ng drums im still wondering kung may mababasang frequency from a drum head. kasi kung ganon i can just write a simple program that could read frequencies off a microphone...
Title: tuning drums a 5th from each other
Post by: peeves24 on August 15, 2006, 02:16:23 PM
i wish it were that simple but the drums are relatively pitched instruments and not absolute pitched like guitars and pianos (where you can reference that concert tone A440).

then again, why dont we see digital drum tuners on sale?
Title: tuning drums a 5th from each other
Post by: peeves24 on August 15, 2006, 02:25:22 PM
oohh just in case somebody mentions the drum dial or the tama tension watch...they are not tuners in the sense that they do not determine a fundamental note. they measure the tension of the head only
Title: tuning drums a 5th from each other
Post by: g0d5_g1ft on August 15, 2006, 02:39:38 PM
yeah i saw those drum dials too... which again brings me to my next question... is it better to tune the drums tension wise rather than trying to tune it to a particular note? i mean lets say i got the tension on each lug of my 12" to lets say 12n/m(-1) then if i tune the 13 and 16 lugs at the same tension would they be in sync? i mean have that 1-2-5 thing going? next question would then be what tension/s would be best for a particular drum... (as i type this my mind goes...: well the answer to my question is personal preference) lol

i just went around a full circle... so lemme change this to guys help me TUNE my drums, my sizes are 12-13-16-22 14 snare, play alternative to rock... help  :cry:
Title: tuning drums a 5th from each other
Post by: pmack on August 15, 2006, 02:45:12 PM
well, it is possible.
pero i dont know what instrument or apparatus they use for it.
danny carey of tool tunes his drums to the key of C (or is it E, i forgot pero nasa june 2006 modern drummer magazine) para malapit sa most tool songs.
di lang niya nabanggit yung intervals between his toms.
Title: tuning drums a 5th from each other
Post by: pmack on August 15, 2006, 02:53:15 PM
Quote from: g0d5_g1ft
yeah i saw those drum dials too... which again brings me to my next question... is it better to tune the drums tension wise rather than trying to tune it to a particular note? i mean lets say i got the tension on each lug of my 12" to lets say 12n/m(-1) then if i tune the 13 and 16 lugs at the same tension would they be in sync? i mean have that 1-2-5 thing going? next question would then be what tension/s would be best for a particular drum... (as i type this my mind goes...: well the answer to my question is personal preference) lol

i just went around a full circle... so lemme change this to guys help me TUNE my drums, my sizes are 12-13-16-22 14 snare, play alternative to rock... help  :cry:


to make it easier, i think you should tune to your OWN preference.
kasi if you tune by tension, maaring ok yung sound pero hindi mo naman gusto. if you tune by note, baka naman di kayanin ng heads kung masyado mataas o mababa na. meron din silang upside pareho, like when you tune to head tension using a drumdial, laging uniform ung sound ng drums mo which is good. when you tune by note naman, parang kumakanta yung drums mo so ok din.

pero personally, i tune to my ears'. kasi mas ok ung mas masaya ka sa sound ng drums mo more than anyone else. again, not that im a drum guru. i still spend about 1 hour or more on tuning just one tom. pero when i hit that sweet spot, it makes the time spent tuning it worthwhile. and ang laki talaga ng naitutulong ng drum tuning bible about sa tuning.

on a somewhat related topic:

billy ward even uses those wireless electric drills na may lug key sa dulo. tapos pag medyo ok na ung sound ng toms niya, saka na lang niya fine-tune with a drum key. he doesnt tune using notes or certain tension settings. mas mataas pa nga yung pagtono niya ng small tom niya kesa sa snare drum niya. im surprised ang ganda ng sound sa videoclips niya sa drummerworld. live sound yun without effects or compression.


- - - sorry napahaba. ang sarap magwento eh. pasintabi sa mga nainis.
Title: tuning drums a 5th from each other
Post by: sandythedrummer on August 15, 2006, 02:58:33 PM
Tuning your drum from a specific note is a Bull. Sorry. A tom sound is composed of many frequencies. That's why there's what we call overtone coz some frequencies are not on the same scale. So the result is sound waves clashes together which gives you an annoying sound. The drum will sound with a specific note (Almost) if it has only one drumhead.
Title: tuning drums a 5th from each other
Post by: Eni on August 15, 2006, 03:16:48 PM
to reduce buzzing,tune 1st ur high tom really low.
Title: tuning drums a 5th from each other
Post by: g0d5_g1ft on August 15, 2006, 03:22:20 PM
@ sir sandy: i agree that soundwaves clash inside the drum to effectively discount the possibility of clearly tuning a drum to a particular note... but still how come may people do that sir? just confused...

@ sir eni: will ty that however my highest tom is a 12x10 and i have it tuned just above the wrinkle point... maybe i should tune higher... dunno i'll experiment later...

thanks for the replies guys
Title: tuning drums a 5th from each other
Post by: Eni on August 15, 2006, 04:12:29 PM
tune ur snare higher than ur high tom.
Title: tuning drums a 5th from each other
Post by: Miggleness on August 15, 2006, 11:12:55 PM
I believe that a drum will have an initial note when hit, after nun  overtones na.

I use the ibanez metronome/tuner /w mic to know kung anong note yung nilalabas sa initial hit sa drum.  I would tune by 3-4 notes (2 inch interval ang size ng toms).  Its the same with a guitar string, may overtones pero may isang dominant note.

Prob ko, I couldn't get to tune the head by itself properly. Tsktsk.

Pao.M, di pa tayo nakakapagkita para dito. try mo. hehe. tapos turuan mo ko magdrums!

Sandy, sna marinig ko na drums mo!  bummer, di pa din napapapalitan yung 16" floor ko.
Title: tuning drums a 5th from each other
Post by: pmack on August 16, 2006, 03:38:55 AM
Quote from: Miggleness
I believe that a drum will have an initial note when hit, after nun  overtones na.

I use the ibanez metronome/tuner /w mic to know kung anong note yung nilalabas sa initial hit sa drum.  I would tune by 3-4 notes (2 inch interval ang size ng toms).  Its the same with a guitar string, may overtones pero may isang dominant note.

Prob ko, I couldn't get to tune the head by itself properly. Tsktsk.

Pao.M, di pa tayo nakakapagkita para dito. try mo. hehe. tapos turuan mo ko magdrums!

Sandy, sna marinig ko na drums mo!  bummer, di pa din napapapalitan yung 16" floor ko.



ako ba si pao m. na tinutukoy mo? m din kasi start ng surname ko. just in case hindi ako, i apologize, hehehe...

i agree with you pare. the same with guitar strings, may overtones din naman sila. kailangan mo lang pakinggan yung ubang tono na lalabas bago magkaron ng overtones. hehehe.

share ko lang itong maliit na part sa interview ng MD kay danny carey:

MD: Why do you generally play with the snares off?

Danny Carey: I do that about half the time. I just like the sound with the snares turned off. It's not quite so intrusive on the high end. I do like to go back and forth for instance, turning the snares off for a verse and turning them on for s chorus.
 ... And I have a new Designer Series kit from SONOR. I designed the shells out of specific woods and thickness and it turned out amazing. The wood is from the South American rain forest. It's called "Aniba Ayahuascus Rosaedora".

MD: how do you tune such a unique set of drums?

Danny Carey: The bottom head is usually higher. on the toms, the difference is maye a fifth or fourth higher. on the floor toms, it's not quite as much, maybe a third.

MD: Are your top heads generally loose or tight?

Danny Carey: fairly tight. I'm going for definite pitches, and i like the drums to sing. i love sustain. I usually try to tune them to the triad of the songs we're recording. ninety percent of tool songs are in D, so i tune the toms D, F, and A. i try to hit the pitches of the triad because when they're in tune wth the songs, they sound bigger and fuller.
Title: tuning drums a 5th from each other
Post by: peeves24 on August 16, 2006, 08:04:10 AM
^^^ kaw lang pao.m dito pre...pao.v ako  :wink:
Title: tuning drums a 5th from each other
Post by: peeves24 on August 16, 2006, 08:07:57 AM
Quote from: Miggleness
I use the ibanez metronome/tuner /w mic to know kung anong note yung nilalabas sa initial hit sa drum.  I would tune by 3-4 notes (2 inch interval ang size ng toms).  Its the same with a guitar string, may overtones pero may isang dominant note.


really? i have to try that ibanez tuner. i own a seiko, my friend has a matrix and then i tried the korg dtr1 rack mount tuner and none of the 3 can pick up a note from the drums.
Title: tuning drums a 5th from each other
Post by: pmack on August 16, 2006, 10:27:47 AM
Quote from: peeves24
^^^ kaw lang pao.m dito pre...pao.v ako  :wink:


ay, sorry ser....
hehehe//

pa re-cut ha... :D
Title: tuning drums a 5th from each other
Post by: g0d5_g1ft on August 16, 2006, 12:09:16 PM
Quote from: Miggleness
I believe that a drum will have an initial note when hit, after nun  overtones na.

I use the ibanez metronome/tuner /w mic to know kung anong note yung nilalabas sa initial hit sa drum.  I would tune by 3-4 notes (2 inch interval ang size ng toms).  Its the same with a guitar string, may overtones pero may isang dominant note.

Prob ko, I couldn't get to tune the head by itself properly. Tsktsk.


so it is possible to capture the initial tone hehehe try ko sumulat ng program for this, capture only about the first 1/2 sec of the input to avoid capturing the overtones, may be boost the sound input too... hmmm gagana kaya to? hehehe

@ sir migs if the toms are 1 inch apart then the interval would only be about 1 to 3 notes right, given i try to tune 5ths?
Title: tuning drums a 5th from each other
Post by: g0d5_g1ft on August 16, 2006, 12:14:16 PM
Quote from: pmack


Danny Carey: fairly tight. I'm going for definite pitches, and i like the drums to sing. i love sustain. I usually try to tune them to the triad of the songs we're recording. ninety percent of tool songs are in D, so i tune the toms D, F, and A. i try to hit the pitches of the triad because when they're in tune wth the songs, they sound bigger and fuller.


hmmm does this mean then that say i tune to a note and the song is in standard E, i'd tune my highest tom to E then go from there..?

O/T: i tuned my toms last night and i now have very minimal overtones, the intervals are ok, they are low just above wrinkles... im just curious about this tuning to a note thing, thinking i can tune better with this idea...
Title: tuning drums a 5th from each other
Post by: fredzs on August 16, 2006, 01:22:03 PM
@all

Go Listen to Reflection by Tool from the LAteralUS album. Listen how his toms contribute so much to the song :)
Title: tuning drums a 5th from each other
Post by: Miggleness on August 17, 2006, 12:05:02 AM
korek... si pao.m at si pao.v.
pareho pa ata paopao ang YM nyo kung di ako nagkakamali. hehe.

Hirap talaga magtono ng drums.  Unlike sa gitara na 2 lang ang p-problemahin mo, tighten or loosen.

sa drums ang daming factors.
Una yung hoop, round pa ba ang hoop mo?
NExt yung bearing edges, maayos pa ba?
Third yung tamang pag-apply ng even tension sa lugs.
Finally, yung overtones na sobrang lakas di mo na maget kung alin ang dominant note.

nabasa ko somewhere na its impossible to tune a drum na talagang pare-pareho ang tunog when you hit the head an inch from the hoop.  So don't be an ass when tuning it.  

Ginagawa ko na ngayon pini-pindot ko yung head mga 1 inch from the hoop. Tapos kung parang masmalalim yung isang side compared sa kabila, adjust ko.  di ko na pinapakinggan yung tunog. Kasi naman bolokers ng drums ko, may parts na patay ang tunog.
Title: Tanong lang (bass drums, room acoustics, tabs...)
Post by: marko21 on August 21, 2006, 10:10:59 AM
-pano ba mag-tune ng bass drum ng tama? - ung sakin kasi parang tunog nung sa parada masyadong malaki ung tunog.

-ano rin ba pedeng ilagay sa kwarto para di marinig ng kapit bahay?

-san ba merong mga tabs ng opm (esp. urbandub)?


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Post by: jun_BALARAW on August 21, 2006, 10:58:10 AM
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-pano ba mag-tune ng bass drum ng tama? - ung sakin kasi parang tunog nung sa parada masyadong malaki ung tunog.

sir baka masyado mahigpit yung batter head mo(yung tinatamaan ng pedal)

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-ano rin ba pedeng ilagay sa kwarto para di marinig ng kapit bahay?

sir punta ka mga studio.. tignan mo kung ano2 mga nilalagay nila kaso may kamahalan ang gastos dun tsaka kaylangan mo ng aircon pag ganun.

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-san ba merong mga tabs ng opm (esp. urbandub)?
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tabs saan? guitar? try mo www.guitartabs.cc[/quote]
Title: Tanong lang (bass drums, room acoustics, tabs...)
Post by: marko21 on August 21, 2006, 11:40:46 AM
thanks po.

eh ung drumhead po sa unahan ng bass drum, nakakaapekto rin ba?

bakit nga pala ung ibang bass drum bay mga unan sa loob?
Title: Tanong lang (bass drums, room acoustics, tabs...)
Post by: drumster on August 22, 2006, 10:27:43 AM
Quote from: marko21
eh ung drumhead po sa unahan ng bass drum, nakakaapekto rin ba?

bakit nga pala ung ibang bass drum bay mga unan sa loob?



The bass drum's front head can affect the depth of the drum's sound (same goes for other drums).

Some bass drums have pillows inside in order to control its resonance and provide more definition on its sound.
Title: tuning drums a 5th from each other
Post by: marvinq on August 22, 2006, 03:20:53 PM
Quote from: sandythedrummer
Tuning your drum from a specific note is a Bull. Sorry. A tom sound is composed of many frequencies. That's why there's what we call overtone coz some frequencies are not on the same scale. So the result is sound waves clashes together which gives you an annoying sound. The drum will sound with a specific note (Almost) if it has only one drumhead.


actually i'm not a drummer. but i know enough about drums to be able to say that they do have a fundamental pitch. a lot of studio drummers like to tune their drums according to the key of the song they're working on.

i know this for a fact. my experience with this matter is first hand. there was this song i was producing that was in the key of c. the bar in question had a g chord, and one of the toms was tuned to Bb (i doubt it if it was exactly B flat) but it sustained enough to cause some harmonic disturbance (the B flat note was causing an unnecessary sharp 9th in the chord, and in that particular instance, it was uncalled for).

here's my point, about tuning drums to a note. well, it might be irrelevant in most cases, but it won't hurt if done properly.

i know a very gifted percussionist who likes tuning his stuff to specific notes too...
Title: tuning drums a 5th from each other
Post by: marvinq on August 22, 2006, 03:25:29 PM
by the way, if drums didn't have a fundamental note, then it would be virtually impossible to tune them correctly. even a snare drum sound is composed of a tone and a crack. that tone is the fundamental note.

the drum dial only helps assuming two things, you are familiar with the specific drum you're tuning, and you know the settings you like. given those two factors, it'll allow you to tune your drums even without hitting them to check if they're properly tuned. when the tension is even, your drumheads will last longer.
Title: Tanong lang (bass drums, room acoustics, tabs...)
Post by: Bammbamm on August 22, 2006, 10:17:16 PM
OH kala ko ba Maya ang iniskor mo?
Anyway,palagay ko nang dalawa ang kit mo.Isa, pang practice,yung isa pang session.
Kung gusto mong Huwag madinig ng kapit-bahay nyo yung pang practice na kit mo,Gumamit ka ng Pearl Muffle Head,extreme silence to! Kahit Tatay mo sa kabilang kuwarto,di madidinig ang hataw mo!

Ang Pearl Muffle Head ay drumhead na parang stocking o net.Gawa ito sa nylon(siguro naka encounter ka na din nito,kulay black na screen)
Well,para magkaroon sya ng konting tunog, Iwan mong nkatono yung mga  resonant heads ng kit mo,tapos yung Muffle head na pinaka batter head mo,isalpak mo at higpitan mo ng katulad ng natural na higpit ng mga batterheads para pareho ang talbog at feel.Lagyan mo ng Packaging tape sa gitna o gilid.
Mas maraming packaging tape na idikit,mas magre resonate ang drums(lalakas ang tunog)

Ito na lang ang alam kong PINAKAMURANG solution sa problema sa ingay.
Yun nga lang,di mo sya magagamit pang session sa band!Practisan lang talaga.
Ang point kasi dito,makapagpractice ka ng as natural as possible.Di kasi pwedeng hinaan ang palo,di rin advisable na takpan ng tela yung drums kasi mag iiba ang feel nito.
Yung cymbals,pwede dikitan mo din ng tissue paper para mabilis ang decay.
Title: Tanong lang (bass drums, room acoustics, tabs...)
Post by: marko21 on August 22, 2006, 10:26:15 PM
Quote from: Bammbamm
OH kala ko ba Maya ang iniskor mo?
Anyway,palagay ko nang dalawa ang kit mo.Isa, pang practice,yung isa pang session.
Kung gusto mong Huwag madinig ng kapit-bahay nyo yung pang practice na kit mo,Gumamit ka ng Pearl Muffle Head,extreme silence to! Kahit Tatay mo sa kabilang kuwarto,di madidinig ang hataw mo!

Ang Pearl Muffle Head ay drumhead na parang stocking o net.Gawa ito sa nylon(siguro naka encounter ka na din nito,kulay black na screen)
Well,para magkaroon sya ng konting tunog, Iwan mong nkatono yung mga  resonant heads ng kit mo,tapos yung Muffle head na pinaka batter head mo,isalpak mo at higpitan mo ng katulad ng natural na higpit ng mga batterheads para pareho ang talbog at feel.Lagyan mo ng Packaging tape sa gitna o gilid.
Mas maraming packaging tape na idikit,mas magre resonate ang drums(lalakas ang tunog)

Ito na lang ang alam kong PINAKAMURANG solution sa problema sa ingay.
Yun nga lang,di mo sya magagamit pang session sa band!Practisan lang talaga.
Ang point kasi dito,makapagpractice ka ng as natural as possible.Di kasi pwedeng hinaan ang palo,di rin advisable na takpan ng tela yung drums kasi mag iiba ang feel nito.
Yung cymbals,pwede dikitan mo din ng tissue paper para mabilis ang decay.
wow thanks.. pero gusto pa rin ang totoong ingay wahehe. tsetsempuhan ko na lang na wala ung kapit bahay namin.. (wala naman un sa umaga hanggang hapon eh..) hehehe :D
Title: Tanong lang (bass drums, room acoustics, tabs...)
Post by: Bammbamm on August 22, 2006, 11:10:12 PM
Well,Talagang masarap ang ingay ng drums!...Sa kuwarto kamo naka-set ang drums mo?!?
Masakit sa tenga yan! Siguraduhin mo na  may mga kurtina sa paligid mo.kung puwede nga lang buong paligid makapal na kurtina para mabawasan ang resonance ng buong drums.Kasi madumi ang tunog ng drums pag di maganda ang acoustic ng lugar.
Kung maari nga lang maglagay ka pa ng earplug para di ka mabingi!
Makakabili ka nito sa mga music store.Proteksyon yan, kesa magsisi ka.

Ako very sensitive na ang tenga ko sa ngayon...NGAYON ko lang nararanasan.Dahil hindi ako nag iingat noon! Wala nang gamot ito!

Gusto mo bang makarinig na parang alanganing channel ng AM radio station ang paligid mo?!? :(
Title: Newbie sa Drums (small toms...)
Post by: xavier on August 23, 2006, 05:58:18 AM
Bakit po pag gagawa ng pattern at tska po sa mga drum roll, di ko ma-type-an yung mga small tom-toms? parang wala sila sa tono kahit naka tono naman sila?


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Title: Tanong lang (bass drums, room acoustics, tabs...)
Post by: Gep on August 23, 2006, 10:41:48 AM
Ang ginawa ng mentor ko sa bass niya, nag-glue siya ng styrofoam (yung pangkama) paikot sa loob ng shell ng bass drum, katabi mismo ng batter head. Parang gumawa siya ng mas discreet version ng o-ring.  :wink:
Title: Newbie sa Drums (small toms...)
Post by: Gep on August 23, 2006, 10:50:41 AM
Ano ba genre mo?
Preference lang yan.  :wink:
Title: Tanong lang (bass drums, room acoustics, tabs...)
Post by: jun_BALARAW on August 23, 2006, 04:38:11 PM
Quote from: Gep
Ang ginawa ng mentor ko sa bass niya, nag-glue siya ng styrofoam (yung pangkama) paikot sa loob ng shell ng bass drum, katabi mismo ng batter head. Parang gumawa siya ng mas discreet version ng o-ring.  :wink:

ok na yung 2nog ng ganun? ano 2nog ng bass drum?
Title: Newbie sa Drums (small toms...)
Post by: xavier on August 23, 2006, 06:25:58 PM
Generally, rock po ang genre ko. Sayang naman kasi yung tomtoms.  :D

Di ko talaga ma-type-an ang tunog nya. Tsaka di sakin yung drums.  :D
Title: Tanong lang (bass drums, room acoustics, tabs...)
Post by: marko21 on August 23, 2006, 07:34:21 PM
Quote from: Bammbamm
Well,Talagang masarap ang ingay ng drums!...Sa kuwarto kamo naka-set ang drums mo?!?
Masakit sa tenga yan! Siguraduhin mo na  may mga kurtina sa paligid mo.kung puwede nga lang buong paligid makapal na kurtina para mabawasan ang resonance ng buong drums.Kasi madumi ang tunog ng drums pag di maganda ang acoustic ng lugar.
Kung maari nga lang maglagay ka pa ng earplug para di ka mabingi!
Makakabili ka nito sa mga music store.Proteksyon yan, kesa magsisi ka.

Ako very sensitive na ang tenga ko sa ngayon...NGAYON ko lang nararanasan.Dahil hindi ako nag iingat noon! Wala nang gamot ito!

Gusto mo bang makarinig na parang alanganing channel ng AM radio station ang paligid mo?!? :(
hehe thanks i'll try that..
Title: Newbie sa Drums (small toms...)
Post by: Gep on August 23, 2006, 11:23:16 PM
Habol mo ba yung boomy type ng tom?

Option mo e luwagan ang resonant side ng tom mo, or bili ka na ng mas malaki/mahaba.
Title: Newbie sa Drums (small toms...)
Post by: xavier on August 24, 2006, 04:45:43 AM
Subukan ko ser! Salamat sa payo ha!
Title: Tanong lang (bass drums, room acoustics, tabs...)
Post by: marko21 on August 26, 2006, 11:28:21 AM
may alam po ba kayo na tabs ng drums? (mga opm)
Title: Tanong lang (bass drums, room acoustics, tabs...)
Post by: intake on August 26, 2006, 10:06:23 PM
Quote from: Gep
Ang ginawa ng mentor ko sa bass niya, nag-glue siya ng styrofoam (yung pangkama) paikot sa loob ng shell ng bass drum, katabi mismo ng batter head. Parang gumawa siya ng mas discreet version ng o-ring.  :wink:


lam ko pwede rin ang rolled towel eh  :)
Title: Tanong lang (bass drums, room acoustics, tabs...)
Post by: marko21 on August 26, 2006, 10:27:51 PM
how about cork instead of styro? effective rin kaya ang cork?  :wink:
Title: Tanong lang (bass drums, room acoustics, tabs...)
Post by: intake on August 26, 2006, 10:29:24 PM
havent tried that....pero pwede din yata  :)
Title: Tanong lang (bass drums, room acoustics, tabs...)
Post by: marko21 on August 26, 2006, 10:30:17 PM
ok..try ko na lang..  :D
Title: Tanong lang (bass drums, room acoustics, tabs...)
Post by: intake on August 26, 2006, 10:32:56 PM
hahatiin mo yung cork board tapos ilalagay mo sa gilid?
Title: Tanong lang (bass drums, room acoustics, tabs...)
Post by: g0d5_g1ft on August 27, 2006, 12:08:36 AM
Quote from: intake
Quote from: Gep
Ang ginawa ng mentor ko sa bass niya, nag-glue siya ng styrofoam (yung pangkama) paikot sa loob ng shell ng bass drum, katabi mismo ng batter head. Parang gumawa siya ng mas discreet version ng o-ring.  :wink:


lam ko pwede rin ang rolled towel eh  :)


i tried this ngaun lang dati ko pa balak gawin to eh dati kasi unan nakalagay, ok cya pero afterwards prang namiss ko ung character ng bass drum ko, kaya to get the most sound from my bass, i took the unan out at rolled towel nalang nilagay ko mas ok na cya ngayon mas fuller, boomier ung sound ng bass ko at mas malakas hehehe
Title: Tanong lang (bass drums, room acoustics, tabs...)
Post by: marko21 on August 27, 2006, 04:14:16 PM
Quote from: intake
hahatiin mo yung cork board tapos ilalagay mo sa gilid?
di... ilalagay ko sa bintana namin  :D
Title: Tanong lang (bass drums, room acoustics, tabs...)
Post by: intake on August 27, 2006, 06:48:14 PM
Quote from: marko21
Quote from: intake
hahatiin mo yung cork board tapos ilalagay mo sa gilid?
di... ilalagay ko sa bintana namin  :D


ahh gets! oo pwedeng pwede ang cork..actually yun din ang ginagamit sa mga studio dito eh....effective siya  :wink:
Title: Tanong lang (bass drums, room acoustics, tabs...)
Post by: intake on August 27, 2006, 06:49:08 PM
Quote from: g0d5_g1ft
Quote from: intake
Quote from: Gep
Ang ginawa ng mentor ko sa bass niya, nag-glue siya ng styrofoam (yung pangkama) paikot sa loob ng shell ng bass drum, katabi mismo ng batter head. Parang gumawa siya ng mas discreet version ng o-ring.  :wink:


lam ko pwede rin ang rolled towel eh  :)


i tried this ngaun lang dati ko pa balak gawin to eh dati kasi unan nakalagay, ok cya pero afterwards prang namiss ko ung character ng bass drum ko, kaya to get the most sound from my bass, i took the unan out at rolled towel nalang nilagay ko mas ok na cya ngayon mas fuller, boomier ung sound ng bass ko at mas malakas hehehe


gagawin ko rin to mamaya! hehehehe  :)
Title: Tanong lang (bass drums, room acoustics, tabs...)
Post by: marko21 on August 27, 2006, 09:49:28 PM
wops ang mahal pala ng cork.. kaya styro na lang..
Title: tuning drums a 5th from each other
Post by: Akira JUMBO on September 02, 2006, 12:47:50 AM
Quote from: g0d5_g1ft
yeah i saw those drum dials too... which again brings me to my next question... is it better to tune the drums tension wise rather than trying to tune it to a particular note?


one advantage of the drum dial is perfect replication of your previous setting..and ofcourse consisitent lug tuning. The drum dial measures timpanic pressure from each lug reference and thus producing precise equal drum pressure resulting to consistent tuning..

the key here is to set your preferred setting and take not of that..then you can work your way to better sounding tunes via small increments..

helps me a lot in tuning..although newbie parin ako sa drum set up still is a great ease for me  :wink:
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: toybitz on September 22, 2006, 04:43:05 PM
More often than not, we drummers are always more conscious and concerned how our snare and toms sound than the bass.

Which of your favorite artist's bass tone do you love best?

first and foremost, I began noticing how important my bass drum tone through..

1.  Tim Alexander of Primus

then, I also love

2.  Chad Smith's and Matt Cameron's

still,...Tim's bass tone is to die for.
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: Gep on September 22, 2006, 05:29:55 PM
Triggered na ata yung kay Tim e, kasi ang liliit ng bass sizes na gamit niya.

Dalawa ang gusto kong bass sounds:
1. Punchy bass tone, tulad nung kay Neil Peart.
2. Boomy tone, tulad kay John Mendoza ng Urbandub at Sammy Siegler ng Glassjaw.
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: marko21 on September 22, 2006, 05:30:10 PM
kahit kanino basta solid.. ung dugdugdug talaga. ung parang rinig parin kahit natatabunan ng cymbals at gitara  :P  :D
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: pmack on September 22, 2006, 06:09:41 PM
meron akong napakinggan na cd ng insan ko sa canada.
"fantastic planet" by the band failure....
napamura ako sa tunog ng drums..!
ang ganda!
dark and very punchy yung sound.
ayos yun!
di ko kilala yung drummer at walang nakalagay sa inlay nung cd.
and disbanded na sila!
sayang!
1996 pa ata yung cd na yun....
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: toybitz on September 22, 2006, 07:08:24 PM
Quote from: Gep
Triggered na ata yung kay Tim e, kasi ang liliit ng bass sizes na gamit niya.

Dalawa ang gusto kong bass sounds:
1. Punchy bass tone, tulad nung kay Neil Peart.
2. Boomy tone, tulad kay John Mendoza ng Urbandub at Sammy Siegler ng Glassjaw.


Hi Gep, which album are you referring to?
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: Gep on September 22, 2006, 07:28:33 PM
Quote from: toybitz
Quote from: Gep
Triggered na ata yung kay Tim e, kasi ang liliit ng bass sizes na gamit niya.

Dalawa ang gusto kong bass sounds:
1. Punchy bass tone, tulad nung kay Neil Peart.
2. Boomy tone, tulad kay John Mendoza ng Urbandub at Sammy Siegler ng Glassjaw.


Hi Gep, which album are you referring to?


Neil Peart - 2112
John Mendoza - Embrace
Sammy Siegler - EYEWTKAS
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: marko21 on September 22, 2006, 07:47:41 PM
pano ba magproduce nung boomy sound?
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: Diadem on September 22, 2006, 08:06:31 PM
Ako naman WET tuning....

very low ang tune nya.

maganda sa flam..

low response.
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: marko21 on September 22, 2006, 08:07:27 PM
thanks

punchy ba ung ginagamit ng karamihan ng mga double-peds users?
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: Gep on September 22, 2006, 08:09:47 PM
Quote from: marko21
thanks

punchy ba ung ginagamit ng karamihan ng mga double-peds users?


Punchy yung "cardboard box" sound na ginagamit ng mga 60's-70's drummers.

Yung boomy usually ang sa metal. Parang yun na rin ata ang wet sound e.

Pero safe answer: nasa sayo pa rin ang gusto mong tunog. :)
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: Diadem on September 22, 2006, 08:12:51 PM
oo ksi noon puro dry mga head ng mga old days eh...

try mo to.. ala lng may idea....

ung wet sound ko kc.. 6' hole sa reso.. very tight..

tapos sa batter head naman.. very loose.. as in.. alang nakapihit na tension lug... sounds dumb pero.. ok cya.. low respose... wet floppy sound pag accents sa bass drum
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: Gep on September 22, 2006, 08:15:34 PM
Ah yun pala, kaya pala slow response.  :wink:
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: Diadem on September 22, 2006, 08:17:47 PM
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Ah yun pala, kaya pala slow response


oo slow din cya.. challenging yang tuning na yan sa mga DPED users... alang bounce effect... try it... its a pain in the ASS  :lol:
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: intake on September 22, 2006, 10:50:57 PM
:lol: try ko din to minsan...pinagaaralan ko pa yung tension sa batter side
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: manson on September 22, 2006, 11:05:19 PM
Just wondering, Does the beater affect the sound of the bass drum? if you use a wood beater would it sound "punchier" ?
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: Gep on September 22, 2006, 11:26:02 PM
Quote from: manson
Just wondering, Does the beater affect the sound of the bass drum? if you use a wood beater would it sound "punchier" ?


More responsive and louder. Kaya mas pipiliin ko ang plastic head kaysa sa felt e haha.
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: legnacilyz on September 22, 2006, 11:33:09 PM
share ko lang mga bro..

mei mga nririnig akong setup sa mga concerts, sa bass drumm yung tunog is like "tig" and others are like "dug".. hehehe..usually sa mga Mobile sounds, yung bassdrum ng drumset nila, puno halos ng unan! super dampening! dun achieved yung tunog na "tig".. halos wala nang nagrereso.. but i like punchy BDs that is still "woofing" a little!

cheers!!!
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: Diadem on September 23, 2006, 03:03:37 AM
ung mga ganun na 2nog sa WET tuning un kaso ibang batter head na yan
gamit ko kc pinstripe... it would sa mga thinner skins ng bass drum....

for me masyadong makapal ang pinstripe... it would be better pag .. mga emperor or ambassador ang gamitin para sa mga woof* sounds and tig accents...
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: jun_BALARAW on September 23, 2006, 09:07:09 AM
Quote from: Diadem
tapos sa batter head naman.. very loose.. as in.. alang nakapihit na tension lug... sounds dumb pero.. ok cya.. low respose... wet floppy sound pag accents sa bass drum

pre bute hindi napupunit ung skin mo sa gilid.. ganyan din kasi ang set-up ko. eh 3 months pa lang ang pinstripe ko nasira na yung gilid ng skin dahil sa sobrang luwag...
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: Diadem on September 23, 2006, 11:24:42 AM
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pre bute hindi napupunit ung skin mo sa gilid.. ganyan din kasi ang set-up ko. eh 3 months pa lang ang pinstripe ko nasira na yung gilid ng skin dahil sa sobrang luwag...



HAh?!  :shock:

pano nangyari yun? 1 yr na ung pinstripe ko ah eversince ganun tuning ko.. baka naman may problema yang shell mo sir.. check mo lang
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: drumster on September 23, 2006, 12:49:35 PM
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pre bute hindi napupunit ung skin mo sa gilid.. ganyan din kasi ang set-up ko. eh 3 months pa lang ang pinstripe ko nasira na yung gilid ng skin dahil sa sobrang luwag...



HAh?!  :shock:

pano nangyari yun? 1 yr na ung pinstripe ko ah eversince ganun tuning ko.. baka naman may problema yang shell mo sir.. check mo lang



O baka masyadong na-stress yung Pinstripe head mo.  Ilan ang lugs ng bass drum mo?
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: jun_BALARAW on September 23, 2006, 03:12:12 PM
Quote from: drumster
Quote from: Diadem
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pre bute hindi napupunit ung skin mo sa gilid.. ganyan din kasi ang set-up ko. eh 3 months pa lang ang pinstripe ko nasira na yung gilid ng skin dahil sa sobrang luwag...



HAh?!  :shock:

pano nangyari yun? 1 yr na ung pinstripe ko ah eversince ganun tuning ko.. baka naman may problema yang shell mo sir.. check mo lang



O baka masyadong na-stress yung Pinstripe head mo.  Ilan ang lugs ng bass drum mo?

oo kasi diba pag masyado maluwang eh nalulukot yung skin sa gilid pag nag hit ka ng bass drum.. so yung nalulukot na yun napunit na.. so hinigpitan ko na.

6 ata ang lugs ko.
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: drumster on September 23, 2006, 06:37:22 PM
Quote from: jun_BALARAW


6 ata ang lugs ko.



Just as I thought.  Sorry to say, 6 lugs are too few for a modern kick drum.  Less lugs, less tension... Less support for the loose tuning.  There should be at least 8 for 22" kicks.  High-end models have 10.
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: Diadem on September 23, 2006, 06:41:01 PM
Quote
Just as I thought. Sorry to say, 6 lugs are too few for a modern kick drum. Less lugs, less tension... Less support for the loose tuning. There should be at least 8 for 22" kicks. High-end models have 10.


woooH  buti nlang 8 sakin... kaya pla eh.. ung mga bagong local na drums... 5 lugs lng toms.. pti ung sa floor 5 lugs lng  :shock:
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: drumster on September 23, 2006, 06:58:58 PM
Quote from: Diadem

woooH  buti nlang 8 sakin... kaya pla eh.. ung mga bagong local na drums... 5 lugs lng toms.. pti ung sa floor 5 lugs lng  :shock:



No wonder, one cannot get more even and consistent quality tuning out of drums with less-than-required lugs.

FYI... For 8" toms, at least 4 lugs are decent.  10" toms should have at least 5.  12"-13" toms and snares should have 6.  14" snares and 14"-above toms should have at least 8 toms.  Though I see some 14" suspended toms which have 6 lugs.
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: Diadem on September 23, 2006, 07:02:13 PM
Excatly Sir DIO!!!

8' - 4 lugs
10' 5
12' - 5
13' - 5
16 - 8
snare 14' - 8
bass - 22'  - 8

my lazer kit is a replica of the pearl master custom
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: peeves24 on September 23, 2006, 10:25:53 PM
Quote from: Diadem
woooH  buti nlang 8 sakin... kaya pla eh.. ung mga bagong local na drums... 5 lugs lng toms.. pti ung sa floor 5 lugs lng  :shock:


i've read somewhere a long time ago that part of what defines the "great gretsch sound" was the 5 lug toms (10" and 12") on their high end drums. all the other drums made by the other brands then were using 6 lugs.

i think gretsch was cutting costs by doing that...marketing hype i guess
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: jun_BALARAW on September 24, 2006, 10:31:27 AM
bwisit na bwisit nga ko nung minsan nag ayos ako ng unan sa loob ng bass drum ko.. nakita ko yung skin ko punit2 sa gilid!!!!!!! bad trip 3 months pa lang yung pinstripe ko. pero di ko pa napapalitan mahal kasi eh.. pagtyagaan ko muna (hanggang tumutunog pa) hehehe

so wala na ba talaga pag asa?? basta 6 lugs hindi recommended na luwagan ko yung bass skin ko.??
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: drumster on September 24, 2006, 10:53:07 AM
Quote from: jun_BALARAW

so wala na ba talaga pag asa?? basta 6 lugs hindi recommended na luwagan ko yung bass skin ko.??


Wag mo na lang i-tune na masyadong loose.  Try a loose-to-medium tension.  Para di masyadong mahirapan yung kick batter mo.

Compare it to firemen holding and stretching this round cloth (the one they use to rescue people from burning buildings; victims can jump down on it like a trampoline).  If there are, say only a few firemen holding the cloth, will it be stable enough to support the jumper's weight?  Now, let's add some more firemen to stabilize it...

That's my analogy on drumhead tension and number of tension lugs.
 8)
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: jun_BALARAW on September 24, 2006, 11:24:59 AM
Quote from: drumster
Quote from: jun_BALARAW

so wala na ba talaga pag asa?? basta 6 lugs hindi recommended na luwagan ko yung bass skin ko.??


Wag mo na lang i-tune na masyadong loose.  Try a loose-to-medium tension.  Para di masyadong mahirapan yung kick batter mo.

Compare it to firemen holding and stretching this round cloth (the one they use to rescue people from burning buildings; victims can jump down on it like a trampoline).  If there are, say only a few firemen holding the cloth, will it be stable enough to support the jumper's weight?  Now, let's add some more firemen to stabilize it...

That's my analogy on drumhead tension and number of tension lugs.
 8)

thanks mr. drumster!
Title: toms and floor toms w/o Reso heads...
Post by: nashbass on September 25, 2006, 10:04:30 AM
ok bang magpalagay ng  reso heads sa toms na walang reso heads? nabili ko kasing set eh wala talagang reso heads yung toms. kung ok maglagay san po kaya ako pwedeng magpalagay and how much would it cost? salamats mga ser at master :wink:

eto na po yung pic... salamats po ulet

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m289/shifting_sands_band/DSC00085.jpg)
Title: toms and floor toms w/o Reso heads...
Post by: g0d5_g1ft on September 25, 2006, 10:10:34 AM
sir si peeves makakatulong sau jan... :D paging sir peeves
Title: toms and floor toms w/o Reso heads...
Post by: peeves24 on September 25, 2006, 10:27:05 AM
^^^ ding ding ding may tama ka!

post ka muna ng pics :D
Title: toms and floor toms w/o Reso heads...
Post by: nashbass on September 25, 2006, 10:30:11 AM
chige chige jicturan ko mamayang gabi paguwi.. salamats master
Title: toms and floor toms w/o Reso heads...
Post by: nashbass on September 26, 2006, 08:22:02 AM
mayday! mayday!
Title: toms and floor toms w/o Reso heads...
Post by: peeves24 on September 26, 2006, 10:38:14 AM
dude concert toms talaga yung toms mo, natural yan, uso nung 80's

pwedeng lagyan ng reso heads yan, swerte mo nakakabili ng matching lugs sa lazer pati yung hoops
Title: toms and floor toms w/o Reso heads...
Post by: nashbass on September 28, 2006, 07:22:20 AM
mas ok ba kung lalagyan ng reso? lalo na kung gagamitin sa recording? salamats ulet
Title: toms and floor toms w/o Reso heads...
Post by: peeves24 on September 28, 2006, 08:57:09 AM
first things first and forgive me for being blunt :D i will never use cheap drums for recording because you can only do so much to improve the sound whether it has reso or not.

not worth the money if you want to upgrade, better buy a new kit instead. lets say you'll invest in 2k to 3k for adding resonants. imo, i'll just invest that money in hardware like a better hihat stand or bass pedal.

the only thing good about concert toms is that its easy tune
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: toybitz on September 29, 2006, 05:09:26 PM
Quote from: Gep
Triggered na ata yung kay Tim e, kasi ang liliit ng bass sizes na gamit niya.

Dalawa ang gusto kong bass sounds:
1. Punchy bass tone, tulad nung kay Neil Peart.
2. Boomy tone, tulad kay John Mendoza ng Urbandub at Sammy Siegler ng Glassjaw.


Hi Gep..

I think its the way Tim tunes his bass drums.  He used to have this tone with Pork Pie.  When he started using Tama, nagiba yun tone.  Although, I still like it.  As I understand, Pork Pie customizes.  Maybe sa specs din na ni-request ni Tim.

Nice line up!
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: bangbus on September 29, 2006, 06:43:37 PM
i adore Mike Cosgrove's kick and toms in anthology as well as Chad Smith kick and snare in stadium arcadium.

as personal rule I don't use internal mufflers such as pillows, blankets etc in my kick...i also toggle between a 4" ported coated reso with a dry vents on the side for that 70s sound or an unported and uncoated reso for a more modern thud; i use both with an externally muffled EMAD. I tune the kick starting with the batter by finger tightening all the rods, then 2 full 360 turn on each, then i move to the reso and approach it similarly.

a lot of literature have promoted that there is no need to use pillows if you tune your kick properly and right. i personally agree with this and i find that putting internal mufflers defeats the manufacturer's design intentions, otherwise they would have included pillows and blankets with their final products.

 :D
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: CHAMPorado on September 29, 2006, 11:00:06 PM
Quote from: bangbus
i adore Mike Cosgrove's kick and toms in anthology as well as Chad Smith kick and snare in stadium arcadium.

as personal rule I don't use internal mufflers such as pillows, blankets etc in my kick...i also toggle between a 4" ported coated reso with a dry vents on the side for that 70s sound or an unported and uncoated reso for a more modern thud; i use both with an externally muffled EMAD. I tune the kick starting with the batter by finger tightening all the rods, then 2 full 360 turn on each, then i move to the reso and approach it similarly.
 :D


i think we have the same taste when it comes to bass sound and the exactly the same way of tuning the bass drums although i dont make use of any internal and external muffling aids. i use powerstroke 4 for batter and coated for the resonant side with no holes.

Quote from: bangbus

a lot of literature have promoted that there is no need to use pillows if you tune your kick properly and right. i personally agree with this and i find that putting internal mufflers defeats the manufacturer's design intentions, otherwise they would have included pillows and blankets with their final products.

 :D


 8) very well said mr.bangbus, patience in tuning is definitely the way to go, welcome to zero pillows-zero mufflers club.  8)
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: wipeout on October 01, 2006, 01:56:33 PM
For me I favored a single ply batter with internal muffling ring or the Evans EMAD which I am using right now.  For the resonant side, same with internal muffling.  No pillows or any other muffling inside the drum.   Both are tensioned loose to medium.  With that head combination i achieved a punchy and boomy sound on a 20" kick.
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: autoexec on October 01, 2006, 05:35:04 PM
ask ko lang yung wet tuning ba or tig accents kelangan din nun ng mga mufflers such as blankets, pillows, etc.?
Title: Bass Tone
Post by: Diadem on October 02, 2006, 12:03:41 PM
oo
Title: LF: drum tuning service
Post by: kikoman on October 25, 2006, 11:43:19 PM
Im looking for someone to tune my drumset..

Zabarte, Novaliches area.. P200 plus merienda  TY
0922-3304281 kiko :roll:
Title: Re: LF: drum tuning service
Post by: pmack on October 26, 2006, 08:19:38 AM
hehehehe...
kikoman, you can really try tuning it yourself.
i doubt na meron dito na may time makapunta jan para mag-tune ng drums.

i know this has been posted before, pero ito:
http://home.earthlink.net/~prof.sound/
it's the drum tuning bible.
i-print mo, ilagay sa folder, basahin mo lagi and trust me, matututo kang magtono.
of course, as with everything, tyaga lang and practice your tuning every once in a while pag may time ka.

peace!
:D
Title: Re: LF: drum tuning service
Post by: jpmb on October 26, 2006, 10:19:43 AM
vinci rodriguez of the drumshop does tuning services..i just dont know how much he charge..mismo pumalo yan si pareng vinci bro.. :mrgreen:..
Title: Re: LF: drum tuning service
Post by: manson on October 26, 2006, 03:57:25 PM
Or does anyone offer tuning seminars? with demonstration and theory, basically EVERYTHING you need to know about tuning. :-D

that would help alot! :-D
Title: Re: LF: drum tuning service
Post by: pmack on October 26, 2006, 04:18:01 PM
hmm.. i don't know anyone who does that kasi tuning is just one part of being a drummer in general eh. siguro you could watch drum clinics and hope na tatalakayin nung clinician ang topic ng tuning or pag nag-take siya ng mga questions from the audience, wag ka na mag-hesitate magtaas ng kamay. other than that, the drum-tuning bible is gold kung may panahon ka lang magbasa at gawin yung mga nakalagay doon. many drummers swear by the drum tuning bible. trust me sulit yung knowledge na mapupulot mo doon, and best of all, it's free. :D just my 2 cents
Title: Re: LF: drum tuning service
Post by: kikoman on October 26, 2006, 11:56:36 PM
all stock lang kasi ung heads/resonants ko.. got no budget to upgrade,

hirap magtono mag-isa.. read the bible & i'll try,

san ang drumshop?

still looking for a drum tuner! TY!

Title: Re: LF: drum tuning service
Post by: pmack on October 27, 2006, 08:48:07 AM
i think sir vinci posted directions on how to go to the drum shop sa pinoy drums mailing list..

ito pala:

"Diretsohin mo lang yung edsa then left ka sa macapagal ave. then left
ulit
sa 2nd intersection. Ito yung bago mag uniwide coastal mall. Then right
sa
2nd stoplight then pagbaba mo ng bridge right ka sa j-ferrer st. dulo
sa
left kami.kanto naming yung unionbank at equitable bank.text me if you
are
coming para I can meet you personally. :-) thanks!"

one way of tuning is listen to your favorite artist's cd and try mong pakinggan yung toms niya. tune your toms similarly.
Title: problemo on my 16" flr tom
Post by: Lil' drummer on October 27, 2006, 09:51:22 AM
mga bossing ask ko lang bakit hindi ko mai-fit yung 16" pinstripe ko sa flr tom ko :?
mukhang standard naman yung skin eh kasi sa 12" and 13" toms ko eh ayos naman, pagdating sa floor tom eh hindi na mag-fit..  :roll:
san kaya probelm sa rings o sa skin :cry:
Title: Re: problemo on my 16" flr tom
Post by: peeves24 on October 27, 2006, 10:07:38 AM
check mo kung may nakasulat na "bass" dun sa logo ng remo. pag meron papalitan mo sa store, bago ka umalis sa store make sure na walang bass na nakasulat dun sa ipapalit nila
Title: Re: problemo on my 16" flr tom
Post by: Lil' drummer on October 27, 2006, 10:13:22 AM
meron ngang bass na nakasulat bossing peeves does this mean na pang bass drum yung ibinigay sakin??

thanks!!!
Title: Re: problemo on my 16" flr tom
Post by: pmack on October 27, 2006, 10:20:31 AM
wala si peeves, so ako muna...

yes..
pang bass drum nga yan..
exchange mo sa store and sabihin mo ang gusto mo pang 16" na TOM.
tapos sabay irapan mo yung nagbenta sayo.
hehehe.. joke...
papalitan mo lang, kausapin mo ng mabuti..
kasi may mga iba di nag-eexchange eh...
post mo dito pag inangasan ka nung pinagbilhan mo.
peace!
Title: Re: problemo on my 16" flr tom
Post by: jpmb on October 27, 2006, 10:20:55 AM
meron ngang bass na nakasulat bossing peeves does this mean na pang bass drum yung ibinigay sakin??

thanks!!!

yes bro that is for bass drum na size 16
Title: Re: problemo on my 16" flr tom
Post by: peeves24 on October 27, 2006, 10:26:48 AM
wala si peeves, so ako muna...

yes..
pang bass drum nga yan..
exchange mo sa store and sabihin mo ang gusto mo pang 16" na TOM.
tapos sabay irapan mo yung nagbenta sayo.
hehehe.. joke...
papalitan mo lang, kausapin mo ng mabuti..
kasi may mga iba di nag-eexchange eh...
post mo dito pag inangasan ka nung pinagbilhan mo.
peace!

wahahaha busy sa pagkain e andito lang ako sa tabi tabi.

true dat, kausapin mo maigi yung salesperson angas mode off.
Title: Re: problemo on my 16" flr tom
Post by: Lil' drummer on October 27, 2006, 10:37:36 AM
peeves, pmack and jpmb:

sige mga bossing try ko muna kausapin yung staff ng store kung pwede i-exchange yung unit.

salamat sa lahat ng replies... update ko kung anu sasabihin hehehehe :evil:
Title: Re: problemo on my 16" flr tom
Post by: pmack on October 27, 2006, 10:51:38 AM
ok.
pero kausapin mo lang ng mabuti papayag naman sila for sure.
sabihin mo hiningi mo pang tom tapos binigay sayo pang-bass drum.
Title: Re: problemo on my 16" flr tom
Post by: Lil' drummer on October 27, 2006, 10:53:32 AM
oks na papalitan na lang daw nila yung unit thanks sa help mga bossing kala ko eh sa tom ko mismo yung problem eh... :-D sabi ko lagot kayo kay pmack(j/k)
Title: Re: problemo on my 16" flr tom
Post by: pmack on October 27, 2006, 12:10:02 PM
hahaha..
hindi pare, kasi may naranasan na akong ganyan.
and i figured na pag ok ka naman makipag-usap, walang hassle yan kaso may mga iba pa rin talaga na ang kukunat at talagang hindi papalitan basta nabayaran mo na.
hehehe...
ayos!
:D
Title: Re: LF: drum tuning service
Post by: kikoman on October 27, 2006, 10:21:17 PM
layo pala..
 Ty anyway pmack, I'll just read the bible and listen to sandwich. TY :mrgreen:
Title: Re: problemo on my 16" flr tom
Post by: Tarkuz Toccata on October 28, 2006, 06:11:26 PM
sir pwede ko ba ask kung magkanu price ng mula 5 upto 8 pc drum mic kit thanks!!!
Di ko maintindihan kung bakit ayaw ma-send by PM ang sagot ko sa inquiry mo. Pero ito ang presyo...
5-pc - P9,320
7-pc - P14,680
8-pc - P18,260
salamat.
Title: Re: problemo on my 16" flr tom
Post by: drummerboy827 on October 29, 2006, 01:16:29 PM
good luck replacing ur heads
Title: Re: LF: drum tuning service
Post by: kibohead on October 29, 2006, 07:03:53 PM
bro i myt help, im from commonwealth, pag napasyal ako jan sa gitarista ko, pasyalan kita. PM mo nlang ako cell mo and location.  8-)
Title: Re: LF: drum tuning service
Post by: pmack on October 29, 2006, 08:14:00 PM
nice..
astig talaga tayong mga drummers...
Title: Re: LF: drum tuning service
Post by: vincher on October 30, 2006, 04:36:41 AM

ngak!!!di ako nagtotono for a fee.hehehe you can come to the shop and i'll help you tune your drums.txt mo muna ako 09175234726. JP, pumalo ng ano?ng bola?itlog?pako?palayok?bwahahahaha :roll:

vinci rodriguez of the drumshop does tuning services..i just dont know how much he charge..mismo pumalo yan si pareng vinci bro.. :mrgreen:..
Title: Re: LF: drum tuning service
Post by: johanncalabig on October 30, 2006, 08:38:57 AM
hhehe iba talaga tayong mga Pinoys... nagtutulungan.. kung malapit lang ang London sa Novaliches ako mismo magtotono ng drum kit mo... May isang option pa naman... baka umuwi ako sa January 2007 so baka makatulong ako. :) Nice one lads.. :)
Title: Re: LF: drum tuning service
Post by: jasperjugan on October 30, 2006, 11:40:14 AM
ako din kailangan matuto ako nito :)
Title: Re: LF: drum tuning service
Post by: kikoman on October 31, 2006, 11:01:11 PM
 :lol: ayus mga peeps!

im glad i found out this forum... anu ba dapat ang tono ng mga toms? pababa? from 12' to 13' to 16?
Title: Re: LF: drum tuning service
Post by: pmack on November 01, 2006, 11:09:58 AM
mas advisable magtono pataas.
kasi mas mahirap hanapin yung "sweet spot" ng large toms. kaya unahin mo muna yung pinakamalaki na tom, in your case, 16". tapos work your way up.
mas madali ang ganun in my opinion.
Title: Re: LF: drum tuning service
Post by: kibohead on November 01, 2006, 02:32:49 PM
bro tawag ka nlang dito sa haus ko, explain ko sayo habang tune mo... diba? txt me first...0922-7795779 -jack
godbless
Title: Re: LF: drum tuning service
Post by: pmack on November 01, 2006, 09:14:00 PM
nice one kibohead...
+1,000,000
Title: Re: LF: drum tuning service
Post by: ortigas on November 02, 2006, 10:48:20 AM
The easiest way to tune your drums....for a price.

Drumdial Drum Tuner

(http://ai.pricegrabber.com/product_images/8889000-8889999/8889015_640.jpg)
Title: Re: LF: drum tuning service
Post by: Gep on November 02, 2006, 11:28:21 AM
The easiest way to tune your drums....for a price.

Drumdial Drum Tuner

(http://ai.pricegrabber.com/product_images/8889000-8889999/8889015_640.jpg)

Oo nga sobrang mahal. Pero puwede naman makihiram diba?  :-D
Title: Re: LF: drum tuning service
Post by: jun_BALARAW on November 02, 2006, 11:45:04 AM
The easiest way to tune your drums....for a price.

Drumdial Drum Tuner

(http://ai.pricegrabber.com/product_images/8889000-8889999/8889015_640.jpg)

Oo nga sobrang mahal. Pero puwede naman makihiram diba?  :-D
paheram pleassssseeeee...
Title: Re: LF: drum tuning service
Post by: jasperjugan on November 02, 2006, 04:20:59 PM
how does this drumdial thing work?
Title: Re: LF: drum tuning service
Post by: pmack on November 02, 2006, 07:54:23 PM
it measures tympanic pressure (yung pressure na paghila ng bawad lug sa head ng drume head).

para even ang lahat ng lugs.

pero beware, THE BEST DRUM TUNING TOOL YOU HAVE ARE ON EITHER SIDE OF YOUR HEAD.
YOUR EARS!!!

kahit sobrang pantay ng head mo sa each lug, iba pa rin ang learning to tune it by ear. not using anything except the drum key.

i think medyo waste of money yan kasi I-AADJUST MO PA RIN KAHIT PANTAY NA LAHAT NG LUGS EH.

hindi porket pantay lahat, nakatono na.

si steve gadd loosens one of his lugs pag natono na niya ng maayos. ewan ko kung bakit niya ginagawa pero malamang personal preference lang niya (siya nga ba yun? correct me na lang if i'm wrong).

peace!
Title: help sa tuning
Post by: rz3znik on November 07, 2006, 12:40:54 PM
pano po ba mag tune ng mga toms??? help kailangan kcng itono para sa debut na sister ko... pls help po...pati bass pala........tnx
Title: Re: LF: drum tuning service
Post by: nashbass on November 07, 2006, 01:39:23 PM
master kiko... alam mo ba ang sacred heart subd? dalin mo dun yung mga toms mo..  pagtulungan nateng itono... taga lagro lang ako ser.... :lol:
Title: Re: help sa tuning
Post by: drumster on November 07, 2006, 03:33:45 PM
The Drum Tuning Bible
http://home.earthlink.net/~prof.sound/


And on the search bar of this Forum, type "drum tuning"...  Threads related to drum tuning will be listed down.  You can find some tips which can be useful.


 8-)
Title: Re: LF: drum tuning service
Post by: kikoman on November 09, 2006, 11:36:11 PM
basta salamat sa inyong lahat!

pagbumili na ako ng replacement heads i'll talk to you guys! 8-)
Title: tom tunings and reso side questions
Post by: g0d5_g1ft on December 23, 2006, 10:00:08 AM
guys help nmn kakabili ko lang ng pinstripe set, 12,13,16,22 for my fernando. ngayon iniisip ko kung yung dati ko bang stock batter ng fernando eh ilalagay ko sa reso side, mas makapal kasi yung nsa batter diba? ano kaya resulta noon? and how do i get the most ummmph or bottom from my pinstripes? tune the reso tighter, looser, or pantay lang? sensya na ngayon lang ako gagamit ng tunay na heads hehehe :d thanks po sa mga magrereply
Title: Re: tom tunings and reso side questions
Post by: Miggleness on December 23, 2006, 11:06:28 AM
i tune the bottom heads pretty high.  never liked the sound of bottom heads tuned lower than the batter.  experiment ka lang.
Title: Re: tom tunings and reso side questions
Post by: marvinq on December 23, 2006, 11:07:02 AM
can't see why it wouldn't work. but i'm not sure if it'll make your drums sound better. well, if you have the luxury of time, then you can go ahead and try it for yourself, otherwise, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

here's a link on drum tuning.

http://home.earthlink.net/~prof.sound/id5.html
Title: Re: tom tunings and reso side questions
Post by: g0d5_g1ft on December 23, 2006, 11:42:19 AM
thanx guys sa replies... i got the sound i want now.. i tuned the batter about a turn above wrinkle point then tuned the reso side about 1/4 of a turn more than the batter... i had to put a little tape on the head though coz mejo may overtones pa cya.

sir marvin di ba gumagawa kayo ng toms? magkano pagawa ng 10x10 at 14x14 na toms? balak ko kasi eh thanks po
Title: Re: tom tunings and reso side questions
Post by: marvinq on December 23, 2006, 01:28:39 PM
hindi ako. si sir tito. tito marquez. sa kanya ko pinagawa karamihan sa mga drums ko. yung iba, branded na signature snares, pero yung karamihan kay sir tito.

hindi ko alam kung meron nang 14" si sir tito. yung 10dia.x8, 5t ang presyo, so hindi siguro malayo dun yung 10x10.

for more details, follow this link...

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,24945.0.html
Title: Re: tom tunings and reso side questions
Post by: pmack on December 23, 2006, 03:21:48 PM
for that oomph sound, considering your heads are pinstripes like mine, tune the reso at least 1-2 key turns higher that the batter. kung kulang pa yun para sa taste mo, taasan mo pa ng konti...

tulad rin ng sabi ni miggleness, experiment ka lang ng experiment, medyo matagal na process pero once you find your sound, ang sarap ng feeling...

:-D
Title: Re: tom tunings and reso side questions
Post by: g0d5_g1ft on December 23, 2006, 04:04:25 PM
for that oomph sound, considering your heads are pinstripes like mine, tune the reso at least 1-2 key turns higher that the batter. kung kulang pa yun para sa taste mo, taasan mo pa ng konti...

tulad rin ng sabi ni miggleness, experiment ka lang ng experiment, medyo matagal na process pero once you find your sound, ang sarap ng feeling...

:-D

tnx bro ma try ko nga yun usually di ako nagttry ng ganun kalayo heheh pero dahil sabi mo ittry ko hehehe

hindi ako. si sir tito. tito marquez. sa kanya ko pinagawa karamihan sa mga drums ko. yung iba, branded na signature snares, pero yung karamihan kay sir tito.

hindi ko alam kung meron nang 14" si sir tito. yung 10dia.x8, 5t ang presyo, so hindi siguro malayo dun yung 10x10.

for more details, follow this link...

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,24945.0.html

ahh ok sir salamat try ko nalang pm
Title: Re: tom tunings and reso side questions
Post by: Miggleness on December 25, 2006, 12:20:39 PM
tama si pmack.

nung una kasi nung gusto ko ng malalim ng tunog naisip ko na "uy, dahil malalim, dapat lower yung reso".  Pero nag panget ng tunog.  After mga 1 month sinipag ako magtono, ginawa ko masmataas talga yugn reso na medyo tight sya, ayun.. may "oommph' na yugn tunog.  I'd say mas "buo" yung tunog nya. 

Try taasan mo pa ng konti yung batter, another half turn or 1 turn siguro.   Experiment experiment.  Took me 6 months din bago ko nahanap yung tunog na gusto ko.
Title: Re: tom tunings and reso side questions
Post by: daemonite on December 25, 2006, 05:33:20 PM
asa lesson ni dave weckl back to basics yun. tapos custom mo na lang kung ano trip mo sound....
Title: Re: tom tunings and reso side questions
Post by: g0d5_g1ft on December 26, 2006, 12:06:13 AM
asa lesson ni dave weckl back to basics yun. tapos custom mo na lang kung ano trip mo sound....

 yeah bro i know meron ako nung back to basics eh dati sa fernando ko mejo nakuha ko ung tunog na gusto ko kulang lang cya sa ooomph at bottom ngaun experiment mode ako pero ok na ung tunog nya di nga lang eksato sa hanap ko. tulad ni sir migs experiment pa ako baka bukas hehehe
Title: Re: tom tunings and reso side questions
Post by: pmack on December 26, 2006, 10:27:05 AM
basta the key is to have a sound in your mind. kung baga, alam mo na yung gusto mong sound na makuha from your toms. mas madali yun kesa magtono ka ng magtono na hindi mo naman alam yung gusto ng tenga mo.

suggest ko makinig ka muna ng mga songs na gusto mo yung drum sound. pero be warned, malamang isang damakmak na effects and/or processing na ang pinagdaanan nung sound na yun so you have to imagine how it sound raw.

ang daming pwedeng gawin sa toms and sa drumset, in general.

pwedeng meron o walang muffling and napakaraming muffling devices jan OR better yet you could make your own....

ang sarap talaga mag-drums! :-D  :-D  :-D  :-D  :-D  :-D  :-D
Title: Re: tom tunings and reso side questions
Post by: Miggleness on January 09, 2007, 12:35:41 AM
nag experiment ako nung Saturday with my 14x14 tom.  Ganda ng tunog ngayon.  I could feel the depth of the tom.  Ginawa kong tighter pa yung reso head tapos a bit above medium tension sa batter.   My kit never sounded better. hehe.

So ayan, for me tight reso works.
Title: Re: tom tunings and reso side questions
Post by: Gep on January 09, 2007, 01:56:54 PM
Yup! GO for tighter reso.

Pagkatapos ko mag-experiment sa tom heads ko, mas nagustuhan ko maluwag na batter at mahigpit na reso, andun kasi ang "thud!" sound na gusto ko.
Title: Re: tom tunings and reso side questions
Post by: inigo on January 09, 2007, 03:36:27 PM
Also... subukan mo pakinggan yung snare from a distance (horizontally, that is... ipapalo mo sa ibang tao). That way maririnig mo both yung batter and reso equally.
Title: recommended heads for brushstick
Post by: bone on January 10, 2007, 07:05:49 PM
good day.

anong magandang head ng snare para maganda kalabasan ng tunog if i'm going to use a brush?

thanks

Title: Re: recommended heads for brushstick
Post by: Gep on January 10, 2007, 07:06:13 PM
Coated heads. :)
Title: Re: recommended heads for brushstick
Post by: drumster on January 10, 2007, 07:10:35 PM
Remo Renaissance drumheads
http://www.remo.com/portal/products/3/8/53/ds_renaissance.html

Remo Fiberskyn drumheads
http://www.remo.com/portal/products/3/8/52/ds_fiberskyn_3.html

Evans J1 Etched drumheads
http://www.evansdrumheads.com/EVProducts.aspx?ID=1&CLASS=RDGC


And yes, most coated drumheads can do.
Title: Re: recommended heads for brushstick
Post by: bone on January 10, 2007, 07:31:23 PM
thanks po
Title: Drum Tuning
Post by: in_the_tent on February 21, 2007, 10:27:39 PM
Isa sa pinakamahirap itono para sa akin eh ang floor tom. Ang gamit ko ngayong drums eh Pearl Export na luma. Yung wala pang ISS. Remo Pinstripe na medyo luma ang batter head ko at Pearl na white sa ilalim. Can you give me tips sa pagtono nito? Parang gong na sabog ang tunog eh. Ayaw ko naman ng patay ang tunog. Sa tingin ko nakakapagpa-gong ng tunog nito ay yung ilalim. Do I need to change my resonant head na? Ano suggestions nyo kung ganun?
Title: Re: Drum Tuning
Post by: peeves24 on February 21, 2007, 10:46:02 PM
baka naman masyado na bugbog yung heads mo kaya patay na talaga tunog. naghahanap na ng kapalit  :-D

pero mahirap talaga lalo na yung mga 16 na floor toms. pinakamadaling solution e gamitan mo ng O-ring o kaya tapalan mo ng tissue para muffled
Title: Re: Drum Tuning
Post by: Dindin on February 21, 2007, 11:05:13 PM
Here are some tips:


Try changing your resonant head to a thin, clear, single ply one.

Tune your batter head lower than the resonant.

To get even tension across all lugs, Tune all your lugs finger tight first, then use quarter turns or less when fine tuning to get the sound you want.

Place a small pillow under the resonant head... while pressing your thumb on the center of the batter, tap a drumstick one and a half inches below each lug to hear the tone... try tuning each lug so that the tone will somewhat sound the same.

When you get the desired tone... de-tune one lug at least half a turn...
Title: Re: Drum Tuning
Post by: manson on February 22, 2007, 12:14:13 AM
hi just a question, whats the point of de-tuning the lug after?
Title: Re: Drum Tuning
Post by: Dindin on February 22, 2007, 01:16:28 AM
hi just a question, whats the point of de-tuning the lug after?

Some do that to decrease the overtones instead of taping tissue paper...
Title: Re: Drum Tuning
Post by: Diadem on February 22, 2007, 01:30:18 AM
Isa sa pinakamahirap itono para sa akin eh ang floor tom. Ang gamit ko ngayong drums eh Pearl Export na luma. Yung wala pang ISS. Remo Pinstripe na medyo luma ang batter head ko at Pearl na white sa ilalim. Can you give me tips sa pagtono nito? Parang gong na sabog ang tunog eh. Ayaw ko naman ng patay ang tunog. Sa tingin ko nakakapagpa-gong ng tunog nito ay yung ilalim. Do I need to change my resonant head na? Ano suggestions nyo kung ganun?

ako kc hindi masyado pinoproblema ang floor tom eh.. because i tune it with my bass drum...
kaya its very loose.. pinstripe din batter head ko
Title: Re: Drum Tuning
Post by: in_the_tent on February 22, 2007, 12:31:23 PM
baka naman masyado na bugbog yung heads mo kaya patay na talaga tunog. naghahanap na ng kapalit  :-D

pero mahirap talaga lalo na yung mga 16 na floor toms. pinakamadaling solution e gamitan mo ng O-ring o kaya tapalan mo ng tissue para muffled

i think di pa sobrang bugbog. ang ibig kong sabihing patay ang tunog eh kapag overmuffled. iniiwasan ko po yun. pinakamadali at tangi kong alam na solution eh yung suggestion nyo. di ko nga lang po gusto yung tunog. sa iba kasi ang ganda ng pagkakatono ng floor tom kahit walang muffle. inggit lang ako. hehe :-D
Title: Re: Drum Tuning
Post by: in_the_tent on February 22, 2007, 12:34:39 PM
Try changing your resonant head to a thin, clear, single ply one.
ano ba mga available na thin clear single ply dito sa atin? ok na ba yung Lazer?
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Gep on February 22, 2007, 12:34:54 PM
Sabi nga e: "Let it ring!"
Title: Re: Drum Tuning
Post by: in_the_tent on February 22, 2007, 12:38:35 PM
Tune your batter head lower than the resonant.

To get even tension across all lugs, Tune all your lugs finger tight first, then use quarter turns or less when fine tuning to get the sound you want.

Place a small pillow under the resonant head... while pressing your thumb on the center of the batter, tap a drumstick one and a half inches below each lug to hear the tone... try tuning each lug so that the tone will somewhat sound the same.

When you get the desired tone... de-tune one lug at least half a turn...
ganito ginagawa ko minus the "to get the sound you want" (di ko kasi magustuhan), "small pillow", tsaka yung "de-tune 1 lug". thanks for the tip. i'll try it out.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: in_the_tent on February 22, 2007, 12:41:20 PM
Sabi nga e: "Let it ring!"
haha. pasigaw? parang beyblade ba yun? :-D
Title: Re: Drum Tuning
Post by: Dindin on February 22, 2007, 06:13:37 PM
Try changing your resonant head to a thin, clear, single ply one.
ano ba mga available na thin clear single ply dito sa atin? ok na ba yung Lazer?

ok na rin yun... khit yung fernando lang na walang tatak... pero kung may budget, get remo ambassador clear...
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: in_the_tent on February 22, 2007, 07:31:23 PM
malayo bang difference sir Dindin? price and sound
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Dindin on February 22, 2007, 09:41:53 PM
Kung mabusisi ka, mapapansin mo... Pero kung hindi naman masyado, you can get by with that setup quite nicely...

Pricewise medyo malayo... I think Fernando single plies go for 150-250. Pero I'm not that sure... Remo Ambassadors go for 400-650 din ata... depends on the size. Sound difference, not that much. Pero may difference din ng konti.

I'm using stock resonant heads on my kit with Evans EC2 as the batters. I plan to change it when I get a set of Coated Ambassadors for the Toms. Medyo nabibitin kasi ako sa double plies on Birch shells e... too focused...
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: marko21 on February 22, 2007, 09:43:59 PM
ano ba effect pag hindi pantay yung bearing edges ng shell?

at pano ko mapapantay yung bearing edges?
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: in_the_tent on February 22, 2007, 10:56:49 PM
thank you sir dindin
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Dindin on February 23, 2007, 07:31:54 AM
ano ba effect pag hindi pantay yung bearing edges ng shell?

at pano ko mapapantay yung bearing edges?


Kung hindi pantay yung bearing edges, hindi malalapat ng mabuti yung drumhead sa shell. You will be getting an inconsistent tone from the drum, it will also be very difficult to tune. And sometimes, mas madali mapunit yung head pag unven yung bearing edges mo...

I guess Peeves can further elaborate on this subject...
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: peeves24 on February 23, 2007, 08:31:07 AM
^^^ sapul!
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Bammbamm on February 23, 2007, 09:10:30 AM
Bakit ang bilis yatang mapudpod ng coating ng Emperor compared sa Ambassador. Ka i-install ko lang last week sa lahat ng toms pero gasgas na yung nasa 10" 12" & 14" toms kahit na nag t-tune pa lang ako. Samantalang yung Ambassador sa snare walang kagalos-galos :x
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Dindin on February 23, 2007, 12:42:40 PM
Bakit ang bilis yatang mapudpod ng coating ng Emperor compared sa Ambassador. Ka i-install ko lang last week sa lahat ng toms pero gasgas na yung nasa 10" 12" & 14" toms kahit na nag t-tune pa lang ako. Samantalang yung Ambassador sa snare walang kagalos-galos :x


I have the same problem with my Powerstroke3s... Natatanggal agad yung coating.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: bugoy_king on February 23, 2007, 02:40:03 PM
Same thing here Dindin, my Powerstroke 3 had silver (no coating) and white all over it after only a few days of playing. I wonder why
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Bammbamm on February 23, 2007, 06:00:45 PM
...di kaya made in china na din yung mga lumalabas na yun? :lol:

o ganun talaga yung mga model na yun eversince?






Wah lugeh, balik ang pera! :lol:

Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: intake on February 24, 2007, 01:33:04 AM
pang mayaman siguro yan...kailangan palitan kagad  :lol:
Title: Heads for Yamaha DP series
Post by: otep on March 06, 2007, 08:30:05 AM
sir ano po ba pedeng heads for my yamaha DP series..

medyo panget na kasi yung tunog nya e...

curret heads nya is

coated ambasador for the snare batter
remo pinstripe for all the toms, batter din

yamaha U2 heads ang resonant.. (stock lang)

here's the pix



(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b386/hpesoj01/HPIM2122.jpg)

p.s hindi kasali yung 10" snare ko, hahah ayos na tunog nun heheh spoiled skin yun haha
Title: Re: Heads for Yamaha DP series
Post by: Dindin on March 07, 2007, 02:19:02 AM
sir ano po ba pedeng heads for my yamaha DP series..

medyo panget na kasi yung tunog nya e...

curret heads nya is

coated ambasador for the snare batter
remo pinstripe for all the toms, batter din

yamaha U2 heads ang resonant.. (stock lang)

here's the pix



(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b386/hpesoj01/HPIM2122.jpg)

p.s hindi kasali yung 10" snare ko, hahah ayos na tunog nun heheh spoiled skin yun haha



I use the exact config of heads for my Yamaha kit too... Kung di pa naman laspag yung heads mo, try tuning it again...

But since The DP Shells are made of Philippine Mahogany... and Mahogany's sound characteristics are slightly boosted lows... try using single ply heads for the toms to let it ring out more... Double plies like the pinstripes deadens or muffles the sound a bit.
Title: how to tune your drumkit?
Post by: royalletones on April 17, 2007, 10:44:03 AM
pano ba itono yung yung drums?

any idea? first time ko 'to

kasi mag-aaral ako mag drums shift from guitar.

hirap kasi magform ng band. usually much higher yung count ng guitarist than the drummers.

1/10 ang ratio.

Title: Re: how to tune your drumkit?
Post by: marko21 on April 17, 2007, 10:56:09 AM
http://home.earthlink.net/~prof.sound/
Title: Re: how to tune your drumkit?
Post by: compvr on April 17, 2007, 12:00:37 PM
eto bro mas madali sundan, hirap kasi pag text lang tapos walang demo heheh

pero wag mo masyado gayahin sound ng drums niya, ganda kasi yung sa kanya heheh

its ok pag di mo makuha agad, tagal ko na tune drums ko isang tom pa lang nakuha ko

"dave weckl teaches how to tune"

Title: FLOOR TOM TUNING
Post by: g0d5_g1ft on April 26, 2007, 10:32:33 PM
ok... ive been playing for a while now and i was happy with my drum sound, until today... suddenly i feel my 16x16 floor tom isnt sounding as it should. I have a remo pinstripe batter and stock fernando resonants. I tuned my batter just a little bit above where the wrinkles are out, and the resonant is tuned much higher than the batter. when I hit it i get this real low thud, very short sustain (i know coz of the tight reso)... I guess what Im after is how do you guys tune your floor toms?
Title: Re: FLOOR TOM TUNING
Post by: palolo_worm on April 27, 2007, 12:12:27 AM
ok... ive been ......I guess what Im after is how do you guys tune your floor toms?

naputol po ata yung what I'm after part. ako naman i tune my floor tom high. then yung resonant head almost same pitch sa batter, i like a long sustain/ring on my drums. oh, ung floor tom ko pala na madalas gamitin ay 14 inches. i prefer smaller drums, para mas defined yung tunog for soloistic playing in jazz. :-)
Title: Re: FLOOR TOM TUNING
Post by: nO RLY on April 27, 2007, 02:45:27 AM
akin naman, my resonants are tight, but not THAT tight. sa batter naman, i like it medium pitched, not too high. tsaka ayoko ng masyadong bounce. so you just have to loosen the batter heads. gaganda tunog nun, bro :-)
Title: Re: FLOOR TOM TUNING
Post by: g0d5_g1ft on April 27, 2007, 06:20:24 AM
salamat po sa nagreply, i guess experiment nanaman ako sa floor tom ko mmaya..thanx mga brader!
Title: Re: FLOOR TOM TUNING
Post by: wax_static on April 27, 2007, 09:51:27 PM
medyo challenging talaga i-tune ang 16" na toms... for me I tend to tune my 16" a tad bit higher than usual. personally I would prefer a 14" tom... :lol:
Title: Re: FLOOR TOM TUNING
Post by: Diadem on April 29, 2007, 06:21:10 AM
i make my 16" flabby and low... i just try my best to sound like the bass drum..
Title: Re: FLOOR TOM TUNING
Post by: nO RLY on April 30, 2007, 09:08:07 PM
medyo challenging talaga i-tune ang 16" na toms... for me I tend to tune my 16" a tad bit higher than usual. personally I would prefer a 14" tom... :lol:
kakagawa ko lang nito. imbis 16" floor tom gamit ko, ginamit ko yung 14" tom bilang floor tom. syempre gamit ko rin tuning ko. ang ganda parin ng tunog! :-D
Title: Tuning TOMS
Post by: DumDrum on August 01, 2007, 07:24:39 PM
what would be the Proper or Standard Tuning of
12" 13" and 16" Toms?? pa help   :-D
Title: Re: Tuning TOMS
Post by: daemonite on August 02, 2007, 12:18:07 AM
Look for dave weckl's back to basics video, andun ang isang tip ng tuning, actually, walang proper or standard tuning, asa tenga mo na lang yun. pero most probably, its the tuning na pinaka-loose pagkatapos mahigpitan hanggang matanggal ang creases sa drumheads. yun nga lang itotono mo evenly ang mga lugs....
Title: tuning floor toms
Post by: blackhawk7a on September 21, 2007, 11:19:10 PM
guys may problema talaga ako sa pagtono ng floor tom ko,bago lang kasi toh,remo pinstripe,help naman ang pangit kasi ng tunog eh,kung may thread na dito paki sabi po sakin,slamat!^_^..hintay ko reply nyu...
Title: Re: tuning floor toms
Post by: g0d5_g1ft on September 22, 2007, 08:43:37 AM
bro alam ko meron na neto eh kasi tinanong ko na din to heheheh...

pero to tune your floor toms, treat it just like a normal tom... pero you might need some mufflers to minimize the overtones, malaking drum kasi yan kaya mejo expected na yung overtones... O-rings kung gs2 mo tlgang patay yung tunog or tape + tissue kung nagtitipid ka hehehe, tape+tissue gamit ko sa 16 inch ko bro, mga 1-2inch rolled tissue then tape mo sa skin, it usually does the job for my fernando 16 with pinstripe batter.

I tune mine, reso tight, about 2 full turns tighter than the batter...

hope that helped bro...
Title: Re: tuning floor toms
Post by: alvin_11 on September 22, 2007, 09:57:58 AM
use a muffler headphone sir.. tighten the resonant head finger tight muna..tapos first 3 full turns..tapog kung gusto po ninyo na higpitan pa, 1 more full turn..tapos  sa batter head po, hindi malambot, hindi matigas..get it? hehehe.. hope this helps.,. :-D
Title: Re: tuning floor toms
Post by: blackhawk7a on September 22, 2007, 10:12:52 AM
guys maraming salamat!try ko yang mga yan!ty ulit...!
Title: Re: tuning floor toms
Post by: harugrugrug on September 22, 2007, 12:15:20 PM
every drum has it's own characteristics.. so it's just an ongoing process og tuning drums... 9 years nakong drummer.. i always encounter new drums
kung san san.. so may mga tricks ako na di nagana sa iba.. so always discover
new things..  nakatulong ba?
what i mean is just experiment...
bsta keep the tensions equal to each other..
to the resonant batter... i keep one lug superloose..
to give it a descending tone.. i'm happy with that..
hope it works for you dude..
Title: Re: tuning floor toms
Post by: blackhawk7a on September 22, 2007, 12:41:33 PM
every drum has it's own characteristics.. so it's just an ongoing process og tuning drums... 9 years nakong drummer.. i always encounter new drums
kung san san.. so may mga tricks ako na di nagana sa iba.. so always discover
new things..  nakatulong ba?
what i mean is just experiment...
bsta keep the tensions equal to each other..
to the resonant batter... i keep one lug superloose..
to give it a descending tone.. i'm happy with that..
hope it works for you dude..


panung super loose?ang prob kasi nung akin,mahina ang tunog nya,panu ba palakasin?hihigpitan ung batter o luluwagan?o hihigpitan ung res0 o luluwagan?
Title: Re: tuning floor toms
Post by: harugrugrug on September 22, 2007, 01:53:18 PM
ahh.. ung isang lug sa resonant batter dinedetune ko po.. as maluwag siya..
sabe ko nga sayo.. each drum has it's own characteristics.. baka naman muffled masyado drum mo kaya di na makahinga... kaya mahina...
ako.. i minimalize my muffling...kasi most of the times pag 16 floor tom..
medyo loose na talaga... halos kasing baba na ng bass drum na tono.. depende sa mood..
Title: Re: tuning floor toms
Post by: drummerboy827 on September 23, 2007, 11:49:20 AM
You could use mufflers or like those Evans moon-gel-like things. Ung sa akin maayos na and I use ear muffs which make my drums sound better when I'm playing it (for me).  :-D
Title: pano ba tamang pagtono?
Post by: tagz on November 11, 2007, 09:21:35 PM
pano po ba tamang pagtono ng snare, bass, at toms?? :? parang may sablay kasi, lalo na sa 13" tom ko..  :-(

help naman..
Title: Mounted Tom vs Floor Tom
Post by: boy_mata on November 26, 2007, 05:14:06 PM
kaya po bang magaya ang tunog ng 14x11 mounted tom ng 14x14 floor tom?

Size kasi ng Ftom ko e, 14x14. kaso nagkakaprublema ako sa tuning, parang ang bilis kasi mamatay ng tunog. may pag asa ba na mapahaba ko ang pag resonate ng floor tom tulad ng sa mounted?  :?
Title: Re: Mounted Tom vs Floor Tom
Post by: Akira JUMBO on November 26, 2007, 05:26:11 PM
Equal head tuning will help make it resonate more. You can also try Sandy's floor tom fix to enhance resonance or get the floor tom rubber air feet of Pearl. :wink:
Title: Re: Mounted Tom vs Floor Tom
Post by: vdonati_fan on November 26, 2007, 05:34:09 PM
mounted vs legged floor tom...

hmm...mounting is better. if the floor tom is too big that  the mount won't be able to support it, well you have no choice. but in your case since it's just 14", go with the mounted position(sound kinda awkward, don't you think?..hehe). if' you'd notice, fushion type kits are using the mounted floor tom.

to make the sound have more sustain, try to not over tighten the reso head of the tom.

hope this helps!
Title: Re: Mounted Tom vs Floor Tom
Post by: boy_mata on November 26, 2007, 05:56:47 PM
@vdonati_fan
Thanks tol, I try that one.  :-D

@akira JUMBO
available po ba ung air rubber feet of pearl dito sa pinas?  :-D
Title: Re: Mounted Tom vs Floor Tom
Post by: Akira JUMBO on November 26, 2007, 10:03:42 PM
As of now I have not seen any yet. Try checking with JB Music if you they will have it available or maybe you can special order it.  :wink:
Title: Re: Mounted Tom vs Floor Tom
Post by: black_panther on December 03, 2007, 01:16:36 PM
this is a nice question....on my own part i want the floor tom with legs...put your input also guys
Title: panu po linisin yung tunog ng kick drum???
Post by: deriru on December 08, 2007, 05:42:34 PM
panu po linisin yung tunog ng kick drum???

tips naman po sir
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: kilowattz on December 11, 2007, 07:00:07 PM
may tanong po ako...base sa experience niyo alin mas tumatagal tska mas punchy un tunog, evans na skin o remo? (pang bass drum) tapos po help naman sa tuning ng 12 inch na pearl tom ko...yung tuning na pang line in or recording...kelangan ko po ba talaga maglagay nung parang foam sa loob nung tom? thanks! :-D
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: autoexec on December 12, 2007, 02:39:03 AM
panu po linisin yung tunog ng kick drum???

tips naman po sir

Try mo lang setting ko, medium tension sa reso, sa batter naman, pagkafinger tight mo sa bawat lugs, tapos ihalf turn mo lang ng sa drumkey bawat lug... Kaso baka manibago ka kasi halos walang ibibigay na bounce yung batter head. Bali aasa ka lang sa spring ng pedal mo, hehe.. :-)
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: kibohead on December 13, 2007, 07:10:30 PM
Remo powerstoke 3!!! the best mga bros...hehehe para sa akin lang yun, sobra astig sa bass drum, tapos reso ko is Remo CS.  :wink:
Title: Gusto ko lang i-clarify kung totoo nga toh mga tol
Post by: otanisatan on December 17, 2007, 10:04:31 PM
totoo bang pdeng pagandahin ang tunog ng drumset na kahit bulok bulok or kahit low quality lang.......i mean hindi sya brandnew na pagagandahin mo ung tunog sa pagpapaganda ng kit, wat im trying to say is kung sa actual na papaluin mo na kahit bulok ung drumset ay kaya batong pagandahin??
Title: Re: Gusto ko lang i-clarify kung totoo nga toh mga tol
Post by: lil.drummerboy on December 17, 2007, 10:18:09 PM
para sakin..pwede pa itono yun. pero konti lang igaganda ng tunog. parang patay na tunog nun.. :lol: pero pag talagang bulok na wala nang pag asa yun. hehe dapat palitan na ng heads pati yung lugs kung bulok na tlga... :lol: yun ang narinig ko sa mga master hehe.
Title: Re: Gusto ko lang i-clarify kung totoo nga toh mga tol
Post by: Akira JUMBO on December 17, 2007, 10:51:15 PM
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Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: kibohead on January 02, 2008, 03:04:45 PM
i think the the wood itself predicts the drum's sound, but if you have good drumheads, both reso and batters, you can make your kit sound better.

there are many approaches on tuning your drums...actually, that makes tuning more exciting...yet frustrating at times.

muffling system can also eliminate the unwanted overtones. there are lots of these in our market like moon gels, duct tapes, O-rings. Gibraltar & Evans also produced muffling devices...go check them out pare. :wink:

some like it tight, others prefer it loose, some also want there batter and reso heads have the same pitch, others don't.

Recently, i bought a 22" Remo Powerstroke3...madali siya itono...also out in the market is the Remo Powersonic, wherein the bass drum head includes a muffling system(detachable) and a slam patch(1pc). ganda ng itsura. performance can be seen at youtube.com
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: autoexec on January 03, 2008, 02:11:06 AM
ako rin naka powerstroke 3 sa 22" ko! ganda talaga ng tunog compared sa pinstripe. Ang inaalala ko lang single ply lang siya. :-)
GAS ako ngayon sa powersonic!!!
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: jbertz on January 03, 2008, 11:27:40 AM
mga sirs patulong naman. hindi ako kc makahanap ng O-rings para sa size 10 na tom ko, hirap maghanap eh! may binebenta sa akin remo kaso Php415 naman! pano kaya gagawin ko? tissue na lang ba? salamat po.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: kibohead on January 04, 2008, 09:07:07 PM
bro ung O-rings bili ka sa JB 400 mo kumpleto sa toms na un.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: jbertz on January 07, 2008, 12:06:04 PM
wala silang pang fusion e. standard size yung o-rings nila. hanap ko e 10" tom na lang.
Title: the DOs and DONTs of tuning :).. please help
Post by: raffy_raralo on January 26, 2008, 09:19:24 PM
having a hard time figuring out how to tune a drum kit.. i need help.. mind replying tips on how to tune drumkits and what stuff not to do.
Title: Re: the DOs and DONTs of tuning :).. please help
Post by: tonybagyo is a banned mofo on January 26, 2008, 09:27:26 PM
explore mu lang yan tsong....self study lang yan
Title: Re: the DOs and DONTs of tuning :).. please help
Post by: rockizta123 on January 26, 2008, 09:51:29 PM
sabi ni tito jet, parang pacross ata un... basta...
Title: Re: the DOs and DONTs of tuning :).. please help
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on January 26, 2008, 10:52:07 PM



first, unscrew all tensiod rods. then tighten then up with your fingers to have an even tension on the drum head,

then tighten the tension rods the way that you change a flat tire. (across, just like doing an X on the drum) this is to have an even tension on the drum head so it wont break easily.

lastly, tune the drum head evenly according to your sound.



for more info,

watch  dave weckl's video on drum tunng



there man. hope this helps. . . :)


and i think there's a thread present concerning this issue. . .
Title: Re: the DOs and DONTs of tuning :).. please help
Post by: harugrugrug on January 27, 2008, 02:49:32 AM
self study siya e.. pero pinakabasic e cross tuning... tapos suntukin mo ung head every pihit mo.. para mabanat talaga ung head.. even in detuning...
steve gadds technique is getting the feel on the batter head and tuning it on the resonant side..
ayun.. meron naman iba na dinedetune ung isang lug sa baba para denscending ang tunog ng toms..
Title: Re: the DOs and DONTs of tuning :).. please help
Post by: daemonite on January 27, 2008, 04:59:47 AM
Basta ang alam ko, do not choke the head kasi papanget talaga tunog nya, at malaki chance na masisira yung head. Depende na lang sa style mo pagtune kung ano gusto mo palabasin. Tama sabi nila explore. Relax ka lang, makukuha mo rin tunog nyan.
Title: Re: the DOs and DONTs of tuning :).. please help
Post by: phfreq on January 27, 2008, 06:34:21 AM
these topics might also be of help:

drumset tuning and head selection thread
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,10184.0.html

snare drum tuning and head selection thread
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,11719.0.html

floor tom tuning thread
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,44824.0.html

dami pa tips sa ibang threads.... enjoy! :-)
Title: Re: the DOs and DONTs of tuning :).. please help
Post by: Akira JUMBO on January 27, 2008, 11:49:24 AM
these topics might also be of help:

drumset tuning and head selection thread
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,10184.0.html

snare drum tuning and head selection thread
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,11719.0.html

floor tom tuning thread
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,44824.0.html

dami pa tips sa ibang threads.... enjoy! :-)

Thanks for the links phfreq!  :lol:

@raffy_raralo

Try the search function next time sir, it works wonders..
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: maplesyrup on January 27, 2008, 01:04:27 PM
para sakin
remo pinstripe d best sa mga toms, (minsan o-ring gamit minsan aquarian lang)
ambassador sa snare (i dont use damper sa snare.. i like overtones talaga,tunog "tank") sa ilalim, kung ano magkasya,kahit lazer (hirap maghanap ng size 13 pang ilalim na remo sa jb eh,lagi nlng wala,esp ayala branch! hello! do some work! ehehehehe)
sa bass drum. kahit lazer ok na! yung bagong model nila! tag 400 + ata yun!
clear sya! sa harap lazer black! tapos may o ring na sa gilid yun! foam lang na uratex gamitin mo! dapat sakto yung foam sa bass drum.dikit sa 2 batter and resonant head.mga 20 inch lang na haba ung foam. ewan ko ha! mas oks sakin ganung set up! malinis pa tingnan! kesa kung ano anong unan,tuwalya,kurtina, etc ilagay sa luob!
pero dipende sa tenga mo yan kung anong gusto mong tunog! experimentuhan mo!  panahon magdidikta ng kapalaran mo sa pagtono ng drums. trust your ear sabi ni...... earny baron! eheheheh!
Title: tuning bass drum
Post by: blackhawk7a on January 27, 2008, 07:32:51 PM
guys sabi po nila,mas matibay daw pag mas maluwag ang pagkatono,ask ko lang po kung panung maluwag?as in sobrang luwag na finger tight na lang?panu po?thanks!
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: jefisipbata on February 07, 2008, 12:58:30 PM
try nyo to

http://www.peavey.com/media/pdf/misc/drumtuning.pdf
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: wil_difference on April 13, 2008, 10:19:36 PM
mga sir bago lang po ako dito.
problema ko yung toms ko kasi mahirap i-tono.
i comapred my toms to others at nakita ko na yung toms ko lima lang yung lugs.
kadalasan patay yung tunog na lumalabas.

tips naman po in tuning my toms.
salamat.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: kimpoy19 on April 22, 2008, 08:18:50 PM
ahm. may bagong mike ngayong ung dinidkit lang. pero madaling magfeedback un. ahm, siguro kung hindi naman po kailangan butasan, wag nalang, or bili ka ng drum pad na may butas na. (meron ba nun?)

about tuning naman, depende po sa tugtog mo, pag mga metal, syempre ka lowest peach ang bass mo peo pag jazz may kaunting taas cya.
Title: Best heads for recording?
Post by: Jazz_thunderbird on May 09, 2008, 06:10:23 PM
ano best heads for recording (TOMS)
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Jazz_thunderbird on May 11, 2008, 03:46:00 PM
walang rep?:(

may nagsabi kasi sa kin dito na okay daw emperor sa taas, tapos sa ilalim ambassador. kasi daw single ply batter para mas may tone and stuff... tapos double yung ilalim para may depth daw...

i'm not sure=/

ano sa tingin nyo? *toms
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Akira JUMBO on May 11, 2008, 09:21:01 PM
walang rep?:(

may nagsabi kasi sa kin dito na okay daw emperor sa taas, tapos sa ilalim ambassador. kasi daw single ply batter para mas may tone and stuff... tapos double yung ilalim para may depth daw...

i'm not sure=/

ano sa tingin nyo? *toms

Baliktad ata yung statements mo  :lol:

Anyways what your planning is ok. :wink:
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Jazz_thunderbird on May 12, 2008, 03:28:20 PM
sir so tama yung top emp bottom amba? or baliktad? sori ser di ko maxado naintindihan... hehe.:) salamat
Title: A guide on choosing your drum head...
Post by: kibohead on July 06, 2008, 10:02:13 PM
http://www.rockdrummingsystem.com/underground/drum-articles/drum-head-selection.php

 :-) hope this helps.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: kimpoy19 on July 10, 2008, 06:17:31 PM
bro alam ko na!
okey nadin yung ambassador USA weather king, hehe! pero mas maganda raw ung pinstripes, kaso mas mahal daw. kapag sa toms yun.

pero kung gusto mo magandang tunog sa bass drum, siguro wag mo nalang butasan, may napanood kasi akong video, ung kay dave weckl. yung bass drum niya may nilalagay siyang evans foam ata sa gilid ng bassdrum hole, para mas conrol ang tunog. at kung bili ka ng skin. EQ2 nalang ng evans with muffler ring narin yung. the best saakin yung. tpos kung magtotono naman nun, palabasin mo yung wringkles ng bass drum tpos pahitin mo ng kaunti para mawala yung wringkls then  ayun na yung lowest pitch na magagawa mo sa bass drum pero maganda rin. =D
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: breech41 on July 14, 2008, 01:52:37 PM
sir panu kung panu kaya gagawin ko?
kc nka double bass drum kit ako..
kaso nga lang mgkaiba ng skin,,isang tama isang pearl panu ko paparehas ung tunog nun?dpat ba prehas ng butas sa harap o kelangan talaga dpat parehas na skin..
kc ung pearl ko patay ung tunog eh..kya pagbumilis ung BMP ng paa ko naiiwan ung tunog ng pearl kya nabababoy ung kanta..i need your tips mga sir,,salamat!


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Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: drumster on July 15, 2008, 03:34:24 AM
^ If you want your two bass drums to sound and feel the same, make sure they're similar with each other - same drums, same configurations, same head combinations, same tuning, same muffling...  Simple as that.

But, if your footwork is affected (just like what you mentioned), try to check other factors as well, such as your pedals, how your pedals are set up, your seating posture, and your own foot technique.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: numberfortyone on July 15, 2008, 07:45:18 PM
question peeps! :-) meron ba kayo idea kung ano tunog ng remo controlled sound sa snare?
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: aarondude_26 on July 17, 2008, 11:37:18 AM
guys ask ko lang po.... nahirapan akong matono ng floor tom kadalsan masyadong lubog un tune....can you give me some tips... i'm a kind kasi ng drummer na high pitch ang gusto ung tipong ung snare malutonh na tunog pati ung 2 toms matining din... i used to copy the tune used by tony royster.......salamat po....=)
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Akira JUMBO on July 17, 2008, 03:52:37 PM
guys ask ko lang po.... nahirapan akong matono ng floor tom kadalsan masyadong lubog un tune....can you give me some tips... i'm a kind kasi ng drummer na high pitch ang gusto ung tipong ung snare malutonh na tunog pati ung 2 toms matining din... i used to copy the tune used by tony royster.......salamat po....=)


Depends on what heads you're using.
Title: drum tuning system
Post by: wireme on August 01, 2008, 12:40:56 AM
has anyone here tried this? san kaya meron nito dito sa atin?

feature=related
Title: How to fine tune a 10" toms w/ 5 lugs?
Post by: watcher on August 03, 2009, 08:25:05 PM
mga bossing nahihirapan nko itune ang tom ko na 10" any help?
Title: Re: How to fine tune a 10" toms w/ 5 lugs?
Post by: peeves24 on August 03, 2009, 08:37:41 PM
kamusta naman yung head mo?
Title: Re: How to fine tune a 10" toms w/ 5 lugs?
Post by: sjon014 on August 03, 2009, 08:45:30 PM
My 10" snare (that I used as a tom when my tom broke) has 6 lugs...

My new 10" acrylic also has 6.

I guess the problem with 5 is you can't partner the opposing lugs. But I've had decent results with my old generic 5-lug 12-incher.

Same ang process ko for reso and batters. It just differs how high-pitched your tom to be (batter), or if you prefer attack or warm resonance with decay (reso).

Here's what I do:

1. Finger tight all the screws
2. Palm the centre of the head
3. Apply around 2 turns to all the screws in the "star" order.

(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8846/zestar.jpg)

4. Tap the skin 1 inch from the each lug, and try the best you can to make sure that the pitch is uniform across all the lugs. (This helps eliminate baaad and overly-complex overtones)

5. Apply a uniform set of turns around the lugs again, til you get your desired pitch / skin tightness.

Based on experience, mas nadadalian akong i-tune ang small toms (10 and 12) compared to larger ones (14 and 16). Pero it's all about pitch uniformity - and - finding the sweet spot that the tom was made for.
Title: Re: How to fine tune a 10" toms w/ 5 lugs?
Post by: jcberedo on August 03, 2009, 09:32:36 PM
My 10" snare (that I used as a tom when my tom broke) has 6 lugs...

My new 10" acrylic also has 6.

I guess the problem with 5 is you can't partner the opposing lugs. But I've had decent results with my old generic 5-lug 12-incher.

Same ang process ko for reso and batters. It just differs how high-pitched your tom to be (batter), or if you prefer attack or warm resonance with decay (reso).

Here's what I do:

1. Finger tight all the screws
2. Palm the centre of the head
3. Apply around 2 turns to all the screws in the "star" order.

(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8846/zestar.jpg)

4. Tap the skin 1 inch from the each lug, and try the best you can to make sure that the pitch is uniform across all the lugs. (This helps eliminate baaad and overly-complex overtones)

5. Apply a uniform set of turns around the lugs again, til you get your desired pitch / skin tightness.

Based on experience, mas nadadalian akong i-tune ang small toms (10 and 12) compared to larger ones (14 and 16). Pero it's all about pitch uniformity - and - finding the sweet spot that the tom was made for.

Galing mo talaga sa photoshop bro! Hahaha.
Title: Re: How to fine tune a 10" toms w/ 5 lugs?
Post by: kimpoy19 on September 17, 2009, 07:40:18 PM
same rin po ba yung method na ginawa dito kapag ia-apply ko sa toms na 5 lugs lang?
Title: Re: How to fine tune a 10" toms w/ 5 lugs?
Post by: drumachine on September 17, 2009, 10:34:57 PM
pangit ba ang magiging tunog or madali mawala sa tono kapag 4 lugs lang ang 10" tom?
Title: Re: How to fine tune a 10" toms w/ 5 lugs?
Post by: kibohead on September 17, 2009, 11:37:48 PM
pangit ba ang magiging tunog or madali mawala sa tono kapag 4 lugs lang ang 10" tom?
oks naman bro...yung catalina ash na 8" 4 lugs lang.
Title: Re: How to fine tune a 10" toms w/ 5 lugs?
Post by: drumachine on September 18, 2009, 12:35:21 AM
panu pag 10?
Title: Re: How to fine tune a 10" toms w/ 5 lugs?
Post by: kibohead on September 20, 2009, 10:12:33 PM
ay di ko lang alam sir...di pa ako naka encounter nun.
Title: Re: How to fine tune a 10" toms w/ 5 lugs?
Post by: tranquildomain on September 24, 2009, 02:39:28 PM
It's all good with 4 lugs, as to 5 lug toms check the tension and ginawa ko before is gawing basis rin ang ears to equalize and makuha yung desired tone.. Okay naman yan kahit local pa to, matono mo lang ng maayos kung ano hinahanap mo na boses at okay ka na  8-)
Title: Re: How to fine tune a 10" toms w/ 5 lugs?
Post by: drumachine on September 24, 2009, 11:48:22 PM
It's all good with 4 lugs, as to 5 lug toms check the tension and ginawa ko before is gawing basis rin ang ears to equalize and makuha yung desired tone.. Okay naman yan kahit local pa to, matono mo lang ng maayos kung ano hinahanap mo na boses at okay ka na  8-)

thanks sir!
Title: How to achieve this kind of drum sound
Post by: daleee on September 29, 2009, 02:22:55 PM
Hey, tulong naman po re: kung panu ko matutune ng katulad sa video below yung toms ko... parang short resonant lang eh...
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Title: Re: How to achieve this kind of drum sound
Post by: peeves24 on September 29, 2009, 06:03:52 PM
use double ply heads tapos gawin mong medium to high tuning

pwede rin single ply head pero gagamit ka ng maraming muffling
Title: Re: How to achieve this kind of drum sound
Post by: daleee on September 29, 2009, 07:00:50 PM
eh sir peeves pano dapat ung tightness ng each head? panu po dapat?
Title: Re: How to achieve this kind of drum sound
Post by: kibohead on September 29, 2009, 07:34:38 PM
eh sir peeves pano dapat ung tightness ng each head? panu po dapat?
bro tingin ko kasi jan men...yung overall sound na lumalabas kasi naka rely yan sa tuning at sa acoustics...minsan maganda ang tuning mo sa kit mo, pero pag dinala mo sa smaller place or mas malaki...nag iiba...sa opinion ko naman po...to make the tom resonance shorter, kailangan mo ng less tension sa resonant head...basically yun ang aadjust mo, then yung batter naman yung desired pitch na gusto mo.  :-)
Title: Re: How to achieve this kind of drum sound
Post by: pmack on September 29, 2009, 08:00:20 PM
i agree with kibohead.
sa itsura pa lang nung room na pinagrecordan nila ng video mukhang pinag-gastusan.
yung heads dun sa video mukhang double-ply and low tuning. try mo ganun gawin sa kit mo.
and isa pang factor, yung shell sizes ng snare/toms/kick malaki rin ang nagagawa sa sound.


... 98cents na lang pera ko.
hehehe sana nakatulong.
Title: Re: How to achieve this kind of drum sound
Post by: daleee on September 29, 2009, 08:05:53 PM
thanks so much, oo nga eh makakapal na kurtina... kaso ung sound ng drums nila halos consistent sa ibang videos nila kahit iba-iba ung dimensions ng toms nila eh...

bro tingin ko kasi jan men...yung overall sound na lumalabas kasi naka rely yan sa tuning at sa acoustics...minsan maganda ang tuning mo sa kit mo, pero pag dinala mo sa smaller place or mas malaki...nag iiba...sa opinion ko naman po...to make the tom resonance shorter, kailangan mo ng less tension sa resonant head...basically yun ang aadjust mo, then yung batter naman yung desired pitch na gusto mo.  :-)
sir kibohead, hindi po ba pag ganun ung tuning eh parang magkaka overtones lalo kasi mas maluwag ung reso?
Title: Re: How to achieve this kind of drum sound
Post by: kibohead on September 29, 2009, 08:27:56 PM
nope...the resonance rely on the resonant head tuning... pero it would be better if you try to figure it out bro...ako kasi usually, when i tune my toms...i start from the biggest tom going up...tanggal lahat ng head...start sa reso...pag clear sound na siya at the lowest pitch possible, dun na ako mag tune ng batter head(pag ganyan yung gusto ko habulin)... some prefer the reso to be tighter(to add warmth/resonance), others want the reso  more loose(shorter decay)...iba din mas gusto pag same pitch(para mas full sounding)...pag laruan mo men...baka mas maganda pa yung kalabasan jan sa napanood mo.

Yep, Tama si Pmack...heads, drum shells and its configurations are also factors. Goodluck kapatid. :-)
Title: Re: How to achieve this kind of drum sound
Post by: daleee on September 29, 2009, 08:34:08 PM
thanks! subukan kong mag experiment minsan ng combinations ng tight-loose heads...  :-D
Title: Re: How to achieve this kind of drum sound
Post by: kibohead on September 29, 2009, 08:35:29 PM
oo man ayus yun...hahah ako nga noon nakakatawa...kasi tunog aparador yung toms ko, kasi di ako marunong...haha! subok subok lang yan men... :wink:
Title: Re: How to achieve this kind of drum sound
Post by: inigo on September 29, 2009, 08:38:58 PM
Di naman siya short resonant eh. It just sounds that way because of the ambient micing. That's how you'll hear it pag malayo.

Pero to add to peeves' reply, just tune it 1-1.5 turns past fingertight, and that's about medium tightness na. Trial and error sa gusto mong tightness. There's no shortcuts to this, so be patient.
Title: Re: How to achieve this kind of drum sound
Post by: kibohead on September 29, 2009, 08:44:00 PM
Di naman siya short resonant eh. It just sounds that way because of the ambient micing. That's how you'll hear it pag malayo.

Pero to add to peeves' reply, just tune it 1-1.5 turns past fingertight, and that's about medium tightness na. Trial and error sa gusto mong tightness. There's no shortcuts to this, so be patient.
oo nga...patience talaga noh...tsk...minsan nakaka bad trip...pero sabi nga ni sir inigo walang short cut.
Title: Re: How to achieve this kind of drum sound
Post by: peeves24 on September 29, 2009, 08:51:54 PM
thanks! subukan kong mag experiment minsan ng combinations ng tight-loose heads...  :-D


yep experiment lang. minsan kala mo gusto mo yung tunog pero kapag pinalo mo na e parang hindi ka mapalagay kasi may relationship din yung talbog ng stick hehehe. pag hindi ka komportable paluin yung tom, e di baguhin mo yung tuning. trial and error lang yan.

add ko lang mga personal observations ko:
1. kapag gusto ko ng low tuning, magsisimula ako sa pinakamalaking tom at kukunin ko yung lowest tone na kaya nung tom tapos sunod sunod na yun palaki
2. kung gusto ko ng high tuning, magsisimula ako sa pinakamaliit na tom papunta sa pinakamalaki
3. unahin ko itono yung batter head, titigil lang ako sa pagpihit kung nakuha ko na yung gusto kong tunog AT maganda yung pakiramdam ng talbog ng stick  - palaging magkasama sa kin yung feel at sound kasi di ka rin gaganahan kung kulang yung talbog ng stick o sobrang tigas ng pinapalo mo
4. huli ko itotono yung resonant side para bilugin yung tunog nung drum. may drums na ok na tighter yung ilalim (mga small tom) kesa sa top at meron ding hindi (tulad ng mga floor tom)
5. o nga pala, dati ginagawa ko tinotono ko muna lahat ng batter heads at walang resonant. mas madali e. makukuha mo agad yung intervals at hindi parang hinahabol mo palagi yung sarili mo. tapos unti unti ko natutunan itono yung reso relative dun sa batter
Title: Re: How to achieve this kind of drum sound
Post by: daleee on September 29, 2009, 09:20:22 PM
thanks! noted...  :-D
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: pauldavid_7 on November 22, 2009, 08:16:09 AM
sino marunong mag tune ng drums dito? near qc area  :-D :-D
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: kino on November 25, 2009, 10:29:56 AM
very good read re: bass drum tuning ---> http://home.earthlink.net/~prof.sound/id6.html

hth  :wink:
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: jericho55 on December 09, 2009, 09:25:47 PM
anu po buh magandang pang heads sa toms?

tsaka po sa snare at bass

palagay din po kung reso o batter ha thx po...

Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: kokok on December 10, 2009, 12:18:27 PM
Hi guys,

im going to have my old kit restored. part of the restoration is to give it some new heads.

i've already decided on what to get for the toms. sa snare and bass nalang.

re the snare, i plan to use the remo emperor x on the batter... sa reso kaya ano maganda? snare wires... do i need to replace? if so, ano kaya maganda?

sa bass naman, i read sa drum tuning bible that using remo ps3 on both the batter and reso would need little or no internal muffling at all. has anyone tried this already? also, what are the pros and cons if i dont put a hole on the reso side sa bass drum?

any inputs will truly be appreciated.

Thanks.  :-)
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: pauldavid_7 on December 11, 2009, 10:29:36 AM
Hi guys,

im going to have my old kit restored. part of the restoration is to give it some new heads.

i've already decided on what to get for the toms. sa snare and bass nalang.

re the snare, i plan to use the remo emperor x on the batter... sa reso kaya ano maganda? snare wires... do i need to replace? if so, ano kaya maganda?

sa bass naman, i read sa drum tuning bible that using remo ps3 on both the batter and reso would need little or no internal muffling at all. has anyone tried this already? also, what are the pros and cons if i dont put a hole on the reso side sa bass drum?

any inputs will truly be appreciated.

Thanks.  :-)
Aquarian on the bass drum remo coated ambassador on snare
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: kokok on December 11, 2009, 11:02:40 AM
Hi sir pauldavid,

which side po sir? batter or reso? or both?  :-)

any inputs re the hole or no hole on the bass drum?

thanks sir.  :-)
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: daleee on February 01, 2010, 04:56:53 PM
Mga Sir kakabili ko lang ng Evans Coated Power Center Reverse Dot... Panu po ba ang tamang pag seat ng head... Naalangan kasi ako dahil namamahalan ako dun sa nabili kong head eh, bka maapektuhan ang durability ng maling pag seat... eto ung tanong ko at mga nalaman kong ways... pakisabi nalang kung safe at tama...

1. Gano ba dapat katight ang tuning ng head pag nagseseat? (Loose, Mid, Med-tight, tight)

With the choice below, pakipoint out ung mali at pakipili nalang ung may tama, o kung wala talaga parecommend nalang ng ibang way...

Choice #1. I-tune ang head (sa tightness na sagot sa no. 1) to put the head under tension then i press ang center ng head para lalong ma seat

Choice #2. After i tune ang head (sa tightness na sagot sa no. 1) to put the head under tension then i hair dryer (few inches away) ung part ng head na nakpatong sa bearing edge to seat

Choice #3 (eto ung karaniwan kong ginagawa) don't do any of the choice above, just tune the drums higher than the tone you want then let it seat by itslef overnight...

Thanks for your reply!  :-D
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: arien_drummer on February 01, 2010, 06:31:05 PM
@daleee

uhhh. i just do what dave weckl does.


well. thats what I do. (my snare drum is a pearl 5x14 export with a remo emperor X on it.)

As time passes, I don't re tune my drum but it gets better for me.

Cheers and happy drumming  to you, sir daleee
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: arien_drummer on February 01, 2010, 06:36:29 PM

any inputs re the hole or no hole on the bass drum?

thanks sir.  :-)

If you play speed metal or any type of rock music with lots of usage of 16th notes bass drum beats, better put holes in them drums and loosen the heads. If you play RnB, alt. rock or post hardcore or pop punk or Gen. Rock, you may want to put holes but don't leave the head too loose because you loose the soul of the bass drum. If you play jazz, fusion, world or any jazz oriented music, let them drums SING! don't put holes, don't loosen them too much, dont buy a 24" bass drum or larger. If possible, go for 20's, 18's or 16's.

Hope this Helps :-D
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: daleee on February 01, 2010, 08:02:18 PM

any inputs re the hole or no hole on the bass drum?


Quoted from the Drum tuning bible:
"Holes in Your Head or Not

Here are the basic concepts:

·         Any hole larger than 7” is like having no head at all on the drum.

·         A 7” hole creates the feel of a one-headed kick drum, feeds more beater attack direct to an audience and provides some of the tone of the resonant head. Further, it’s easy to position a mic and change internal muffling devices, if used.

·         A 4-1/2” or 5” hole, or even 2 such holes, offset, allows some relief for rebound control of the kick beater, contains more of the drums resonance so that the resonant head is more pronounced in the tuning of the drum. A 4-1/2” hole is difficult to get large mic’s positioned within (but can be done) and/or internal muffling altered.

·         No hole, very resonant, creates more bounce or rebound from the kick beater.  It can become difficult to get the “slap” of the beater and resonance of the drum both when miced with one microphone.  The muffling remains inside. The resonant head is very predominant in the overall sound.

There are usually four reasons why drummers want a hole (or multiple holes) in the bass drum:

·         It looks cool.

·         They do not like the feel of the beater on the batter head surface, it bounces as a result of not enough air relief.

·         They need to mic the drum from or capture the sound from the inside.

·         They want more projection without using a mic (less bass impact, more beater attack presence).  :-D
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: daleee on February 01, 2010, 08:04:55 PM
@daleee

uhhh. i just do what dave weckl does.

  • I put the head on the shell
  • I put the hoop and finger tight the tuning rods
  • I tune the head a bit higher that what I really want
  • while tuning the head, I press down on the center as the cracking noise somes out

well. thats what I do. (my snare drum is a pearl 5x14 export with a remo emperor X on it.)

As time passes, I don't re tune my drum but it gets better for me.

Cheers and happy drumming  to you, sir daleee

Thanks! I've seen that part of Dave Weckl's Video, but apart from that, do you let the head seat by itself, say, overnight?
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: paeng16 on February 01, 2010, 08:29:16 PM
Tuning..

a nice tool to have is Drum Dial / Tama Tension watch (parehas lang effect)...  works wonders... medyo may kamahalan pero the end result speaks for itself.. Solb ka dito...

the way I tune is...
TOMs and Kick = Bater head medyo maluwag sa Reso...  (ex. toms Bater=78 tension while the Reso is like 80-83 tension).
Snare = bater side masikip while reso side is a little sikip... (ex. snare bater = 90 tension while the reso is like 87 tension).

more over.... this is another reason why I say.. MAG IPON KANALANG.. AT HWAG KANA BIBILI NG BELOW SEA LEVEL CLASS NA DRUM KIT... Kasi kahit anong galing mo sa tuning... may mga drums talaga na hindi na totono ng maganda/maayos..  specially mga BELOW SEA LEVEL class kits... (no offense mga kafatid, I am just sharing)

hope this helps...

Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: arien_drummer on February 02, 2010, 07:41:19 PM
Thanks! I've seen that part of Dave Weckl's Video, but apart from that, do you let the head seat by itself, say, overnight?

uhhh... diba... nag seseat na siya pag tinono mo ng mataas at the same time pressing down? not necessarily overnight pa yung pag seat...
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: daleee on February 02, 2010, 08:38:20 PM
eh, how about the use of hairdryer to make the special bond bet. the head and the bearing edge, as done by one of the best drum techs in the U.S. that was hired by ToonTrack sa The Metal Foundry SDX™... click (jump to 3:22):
:-D
Title: Re: need help tuning my fernando drumset
Post by: vhinming on February 03, 2010, 12:13:48 AM
hi mga master drummers,
i have my old fernando drumset(not that old naman) sinimulan kong i restore since uso ulit ang bands ngayon and gusto ko ulit tumugtog.
i started with the heads. i bought the protone (pearl) double layer heads yun parang remo pinstripe pero mas cheaper sya. dun lang kasi kasya budget ko as of now  :?  puro batter side lang ang pinalitan ko from the toms to the bass drum. sa snare naman i used the coated one like the ambassador of remo. and for the resonant or resonance side i still used the old single layer fernando heads.now my next step is how to make it sound very nice (tuning).sa mga toms, kelangan bang mas banat ang bottom side?i tried tuning it pero di ko marinig yun deep sound na gusto kong marinig na narinig ko sa pearl drumset using that heads too.sa bass drum naman parang kulang sa boom.i tried putting this fiber sheet, yun white.
Help naman mga master para hindi naman masayang bili ko sa mga heads ko.i'm planning also to buy this mute thing, yun round na clear plastic na pinapatong sa mga top heads. need your suggestion. thanks po.

Bro watch mo nalang yung Videos ni BOB GATZEN malaking tulong yun grabe!  

In additional, kung gustu mo ng toouummm (bending) na sound u need to tune the resonance head higher than the batter, or kung di maxado nag effect, yung batter ang i adjust lower sa reso, ^_^   and yung batter head , from finger tight batter (sound crazy) but put your fist on the center and give a pressure till you hear some crakling ( like sa plastic bottle pag inisqueeze)
note: wag maxadong madiin, yung tama lang

then tune it depends on what Bob Gatzen teach'ed about

nga pala, iba ang tugtugan ni Bob kaya sakanya pantay ang reso sa batter, ang gusto kasi nya is long lasting resonance , kaya lahat ginagawa nya para tumagal ang resonance sound

i hope it helps ^_^

PROMISE BOB GATZEN Teached me how to make my drums sound nice according to what i wanted
ps. i use stock ddrum batter for my 10",12" tom pero ganda tunog ^^,
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: kasmoteer on February 07, 2010, 01:22:47 AM
Ok ba pang Tono yung nabibiling Drum torque ng pearl???
yun tumutunog kapag nasa tono na
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: vhinming on February 07, 2010, 02:02:04 AM
Ok ba pang Tono yung nabibiling Drum torque ng pearl???
yun tumutunog kapag nasa tono na


ok din yun sir, pero mas ok kung able ka na makapag tono gamit lang yung stock keys  :-)

read mo po yung post ko above your post  :wink:
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: kasmoteer on February 07, 2010, 02:04:35 AM
nde ko kasi matono yung drums ko, iba iba yung tono kada logs, nag paparehas ba yung tono pag gumamit ng torque key?
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: vhinming on February 07, 2010, 02:37:48 AM
nde ko kasi matono yung drums ko, iba iba yung tono kada logs, nag paparehas ba yung tono pag gumamit ng torque key?

try mo alisin yung head and lugs, then ipatong mo sa flat surface (remember glass are not flat) yung bearing edge kung pantay, baka hindi kasi pantay kaya ganun,

or na try mo na ba yung finger tight then opposite?

Watch this video, this might help a Lot  8-)
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: shpvl6 on February 07, 2010, 03:56:53 AM
astig si mr. bob gatzen  :-)
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: francisnuega on February 07, 2010, 02:53:11 PM
mga sir tanong ko lang po kung anu masasabi nyo sa coated heads para sa toms? i'm planning to replace my heads sa tom with coated ones eh..tnx for your opinions!
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: vhinming on February 17, 2010, 09:13:43 AM
mga sir tanong ko lang po kung anu masasabi nyo sa coated heads para sa toms? i'm planning to replace my heads sa tom with coated ones eh..tnx for your opinions!

For me yung coated is specially made for brush players (correct me if i'm mistaken)
mas ok sa akin yung clear like pinstripe, kasi bukod sa madaling itono (mas makunat, matigas po kasi yung coated para sa akin)

ayun bukod sa madaling itono, maganda pa po kahit tumagal, lumalabo lang ang clear unlike coated dumudumi pag tagal tagal  :-)
Title: tuning the drums in proper way
Post by: deaths on April 04, 2010, 05:31:07 PM
mga sir may drumkit ako kaso di ko alam paano itutune ito panu po b ang bass drum kelangan b sobrang mahigpit sa front skin o malambot ung batter skin? pwede nio b ako tulungan pti na rin po sa mga snares,floor toms and toms ..nanonood ako ng youtube pero nalilito ako sa knila,di ko mahanap na tunog gus2 k ksi dry tunog ko para sa snares.gus2 ko naman sa toms mababa lng at malambot paluin at sa bass naman gus2 ko malambot din para sa mga studio. nasa skin po b ang problema?? pls reply thanks.. :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: tuning the drums in proper way
Post by: kino on April 04, 2010, 05:53:22 PM
bro read this thread marami kang matututunan dito --> http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,10184.0.html
Title: Re: tuning the drums in proper way
Post by: deaths on April 04, 2010, 08:17:36 PM
tnx sir n marami :-D
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: deaths on April 04, 2010, 08:32:51 PM
mga sir may drumkit ako kaso di ko alam paano itutune ito panu po b ang bass drum kelangan b sobrang mahigpit sa front skin o malambot ung batter skin? pwede nio b ako tulungan pti na rin po sa mga snares,floor toms and toms ..nanonood ako ng youtube pero nalilito ako sa knila,di ko mahanap na tunog gus2 k ksi dry tunog ko para sa snares.gus2 ko naman sa toms mababa lng at malambot paluin at sa bass naman gus2 ko malambot din para sa mga studio. nasa skin po b ang problema?? pls reply thanks.. grin grin grin
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: mambo on May 01, 2010, 09:54:26 PM
hi! tanong lang po, pano po kayo magtune ng toms?
ako po kasi approx 1.5 turn ng lugs sa batter at 1 &1/4 naman sa reso. ok naman yung tunog para sakin kaso parang di ko trip nung narinig ko sa video cam namin. para syang basag yung tunog.haha  kasi pag sinikipan ko pa eh medyo mataas na yung tono nya para sa taste ko.
ang gamit ko pala ay pinstripe sa batter at clear ambassador sa reso.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: uy12umainer on May 20, 2010, 01:28:42 AM
i use uratex foam all around my bass drum very loud period 150 pesos lang very very good price hehe
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: deaths on May 25, 2010, 04:54:00 PM
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i use uratex foam all around my bass drum very loud period 150 pesos lang very very good price hehe

bro saan ka nakabili ng foam may pics kaba diyan?? patingin ang pagkalagay mo sa bass drum..hehe thanks
Title: Re: need help tuning my fernando drumset
Post by: toinkking on May 25, 2010, 08:21:36 PM
branded or hindi branded pwede pa ring maging maganda ang tunog. ako nga pare, i spend 3 hours of tuning sa isang snare ko lng. ganun talaga it doenst matter kung ano pa tatak nyan,just follow the instruction. find the "sweet spot" ng tinotono mo. :wink: gudluck

TAMA si SIr kahit anong brand yan basta maging mausisa ka sa pag totono nang Drums mo gaganda tunong nyan THUMBS UP AKO SAU SIR!!
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: kevzkie024 on May 29, 2010, 09:48:52 PM
Mga Sir! ask ko lang. im planning to buy a drum head for my fernando snare("14), ano po bang magandang heads para dito? ung pinaka affordable yet great sound na po. papalitan ko din po ba ung ilalim? sobrang pangit kasi ng overtones eh. thanks sa mga suggestions!!  :-D :-D
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: mambo on May 30, 2010, 12:23:17 AM
Mga Sir! ask ko lang. im planning to buy a drum head for my fernando snare("14), ano po bang magandang heads para dito? ung pinaka affordable yet great sound na po. papalitan ko din po ba ung ilalim? sobrang pangit kasi ng overtones eh. thanks sa mga suggestions!!  :-D :-D

try nyo po yung remo coated ambassadors sa batter at hazy ambassador sa resonant.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: albertos on May 30, 2010, 08:27:51 PM
REMO heads... masira nalang ang banda nyo.. buo pa rin ang REMo heads.. hahahaha
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: cristsuper on August 11, 2010, 02:32:37 PM
mga tol anong mgndang brand ng drum heads?
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: cristsuper on August 13, 2010, 02:12:39 PM
mga tol anong magandang brand ng drum heads?
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: deaths on October 21, 2010, 04:30:19 PM
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mga tol anong mgndang brand ng drum heads?

bro sa head selection thread wag dito nasa rules kasi e  :-D

BTW, sagutin ko na ang tanung mo maraming magandang heads eh depende rin sa trip mong sound kung saan ka comfortable... like remo,aquarian, or evans.marami pang magagandang heads, pero yan ang mga best brands na alam ko sa drumhead... pero ako remo talaga especially coated ambassadors sa snares.

Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Cyru on October 23, 2010, 10:14:01 AM
Mga sir may problema po ako sa floor tom ko, kakabili ko lang nitong set dito lang din. Masyadong masikip yung head para sa shell, ano po kayang remedyo dito? Malabong maitono ng maayos kasi talagang sobrang sikip, kinailangan ko pa pukpukin paangat yung gilid ng head para lang matanggal.

Ano kaya remedyo mga master? Lihahin ko ng pabilog yung kahoy? Salamat!
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Riff_6603 on October 23, 2010, 11:20:35 AM
Mga sir may problema po ako sa floor tom ko, kakabili ko lang nitong set dito lang din. Masyadong masikip yung head para sa shell, ano po kayang remedyo dito? Malabong maitono ng maayos kasi talagang sobrang sikip, kinailangan ko pa pukpukin paangat yung gilid ng head para lang matanggal.

Ano kaya remedyo mga master? Lihahin ko ng pabilog yung kahoy? Salamat!

yikes! bumili ka na lang ng bagong branded head! assuming na generic yung head sa floor tom, it's not worth damaging the bearing edges off your floor tom. :wink:
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Cyru on October 23, 2010, 08:06:40 PM
yikes! bumili ka na lang ng bagong branded head! assuming na generic yung head sa floor tom, it's not worth damaging the bearing edges off your floor tom. :wink:
Ay ganun po ba sir? Kasi remo encore din yung head, puwede rin sigurong factory defect? Generic nga lang po pala yung floor tom na nandito, kakashift ko lang kasi sa drums kaya bumili lang muna ako ng pampraktis, yun nga lang gusto ko kasi maitono ko. Salamat po sa reply sir!  8-)
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: yoeyoe16 on November 08, 2010, 11:25:54 AM
sensya na po beginner pa lang po when it comes to drums. ung bibilhin ko kasi na drum set walang 16" na floor tom, 12" hi tom saka 13" lo tom lang. pede bang ma-tono ung 13" lo tom katulad ng sa floor tom?
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Riff_6603 on November 08, 2010, 12:40:14 PM
sensya na po beginner pa lang po when it comes to drums. ung bibilhin ko kasi na drum set walang 16" na floor tom, 12" hi tom saka 13" lo tom lang. pede bang ma-tono ung 13" lo tom katulad ng sa floor tom?

pwede naman siyang magamit as floor tom pero tuning wise not as low as a floor tom yung makukuha mo na sound due to the size difference.. :wink:
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: plitipiw40315 on November 08, 2010, 01:51:55 PM
pwede naman siyang magamit as floor tom pero tuning wise not as low as a floor tom yung makukuha mo na sound due to the size difference.. :wink:

i use my 13" tom as floor tom bro, its either babaan mo yung tono ng 13" or taasan mo yung tuning ng other toms mo to compensate yung tono ng 13" mo as floor tom...  :-D
Title: How to get this snare sound?
Post by: arvie on November 25, 2010, 11:32:09 AM
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TIA! :-)
Title: Re: How to get this snare sound?
Post by: pedaldeaf3 on November 25, 2010, 11:50:33 AM
Hmm...
Title: Re: How to get this snare sound?
Post by: inigo on November 25, 2010, 12:06:59 PM
Use a Supraphonic-type snare (metal, beaded shell), coated batter head that's a bit muffled by the built-in muffler, tight batter head tuning, even tighter reso head tuning.

If not using a Supraphonic, muffle the batter head with a small piece of cloth or use a CS head.
Title: Re: How to get this snare sound?
Post by: paniska on November 25, 2010, 05:07:39 PM
wow danda tunog..

haha parang alam ko san galing yung play-along track niya ah hehehe.
Title: Re: How to get this snare sound?
Post by: puuts on November 26, 2010, 12:16:56 PM
mga sir.. eto naman pong snare na to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_A9ukvQTCc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_A9ukvQTCc)

ung tunog nya is "TAK".. ganun gs2 ko tunog ng snare ko eh.. help mga sir
Title: Re: How to get this snare sound?
Post by: inigo on November 26, 2010, 12:39:58 PM
mga sir.. eto naman pong snare na to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_A9ukvQTCc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_A9ukvQTCc)

ung tunog nya is "TAK".. ganun gs2 ko tunog ng snare ko eh.. help mga sir


Same advice as above, pero you can use any snare. You'll know if your tuning is right when your snare gives out a high ring that you can't get rid of. That will drown out during gigs/jams and will make your snare sound out.


OT... before the thread merge. I know there's a thread on snare tuning somewhere here.

I don't think there's much difference in snare tuning in much of modern music. Lots of differences you can hear in snare recordings have to do a lot with miking, mixing, etc., more than tuning.

Really, there are a lot of snare sounds you can learn to get if you take patience learning how to tune. Lots of info in the net about this.
Tip: listen to your snare at the shell side (it is sideways from you), not with the head facing you.
Title: Professional Drums Setup person
Post by: aparma on January 01, 2011, 05:33:55 PM
Hi guys,

this maybe a stupid person (I'm not a drummer), but is there a professional drum setup guy? Like what a luthier is to a guitar.  Someone who can go to our place and tune/setup/fix our drumset (because it sounds like crap).

Thanks!
Title: Re: Professional Drums Setup person
Post by: mahikawon666 on January 01, 2011, 06:46:12 PM
drumtech nga siguro..
Title: Re: Professional Drums Setup person
Post by: vhinming on January 01, 2011, 10:05:00 PM
sir it will really help if you post the complete information of exactly what you wanted,..

but i think you need a person who can tune drums well ,..

hmm if you dont find them in person,..


CLICK HERE (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bob+gatzen+tuning&aq=f)
Title: Re: Professional Drums Setup person
Post by: aparma on January 02, 2011, 12:28:40 AM
yes, someone who tunes drums. I guess drumtech nga. any recommendations?
Title: Re: Professional Drums Setup person
Post by: vhinming on January 02, 2011, 12:55:48 AM
yes, someone who tunes drums. I guess drumtech nga. any recommendations?

your location sir?

most of us here knows how to tune and set up drum kits well

but if you are really looking for a professional one, then there are plenty of THEM  :lol:
Title: Re: Professional Drums Setup person
Post by: Riff_6603 on January 02, 2011, 06:15:19 PM
yes, someone who tunes drums. I guess drumtech nga. any recommendations?

san ba area mo bro? I could help out for free. PM me your details na lang. :wink:
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: cokeandjahsmoke on January 08, 2011, 01:15:41 AM
mga bossing na drummer :-D ask lng ako sa inyong mga opinion... with regards sa tom2x, tom and floor tom, pwede ba yun lagyan ng 2ply batter head sa taas at 1ply batter head nman as reso? ano kaya tunog ng mga toms? any ideas kng sino naka alam at naka try na? thanx :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Riff_6603 on January 08, 2011, 02:34:01 AM
mga bossing na drummer :-D ask lng ako sa inyong mga opinion... with regards sa tom2x, tom and floor tom, pwede ba yun lagyan ng 2ply batter head sa taas at 1ply batter head nman as reso? ano kaya tunog ng mga toms? any ideas kng sino naka alam at naka try na? thanx :mrgreen:

me. magandang combo yan, mas buo and malalim yung tunog compared sa single ply batter+reso head combination IMO. may option ka din to go with coated 2-ply batter heads for a warmer sound. :wink:
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: glennaui on January 08, 2011, 12:33:22 PM
i use my 13" tom as floor tom bro, its either babaan mo yung tono ng 13" or taasan mo yung tuning ng other toms mo to compensate yung tono ng 13" mo as floor tom...  :-D

OO kita ko nuon ito sa house nio. ganyan din yung fernando ko nun pati yung pearl dati. yung 13 ang floor tom ko.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: glennaui on January 08, 2011, 12:38:10 PM
me. magandang combo yan, mas buo and malalim yung tunog compared sa single ply batter+reso head combination IMO. may option ka din to go with coated 2-ply batter heads for a warmer sound. :wink:

+100

I use Remo Emperor clears on top(sponsored by vinci drumshop manila) and Remo Premier Stock clear on bottom. and my toms sounded way better than using those past stockheads.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: straightedgejep on January 08, 2011, 03:56:18 PM
Sa ngayon ang gamit ko Aquarian Coated Response 2, Da best sa mga nagamit ko na other heads!
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: ZherVin12 on January 09, 2011, 04:23:02 PM
mga sirs, pede pa bang matono nang maayos yung 14" snare ko .. kaso 6 lugs lang sya .. kung palitan ko ng heads, mag iimprove kaya yung tunog nya ? ganun din sa 16" floor tom ko .. 6 lugs lang din
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: peeves24 on January 09, 2011, 11:18:16 PM
mga sirs, pede pa bang matono nang maayos yung 14" snare ko .. kaso 6 lugs lang sya .. kung palitan ko ng heads, mag iimprove kaya yung tunog nya ? ganun din sa 16" floor tom ko .. 6 lugs lang din

wala sa lugs yan bro. basta maayos pa lahat ng pyesa ng snare mo, matotono mo yan
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: cokeandjahsmoke on January 10, 2011, 12:01:02 AM
me. magandang combo yan, mas buo and malalim yung tunog compared sa single ply batter+reso head combination IMO. may option ka din to go with coated 2-ply batter heads for a warmer sound. :wink:

bossing, anong 2-ply drum heads ba ma recommend mo? gusto ko din sana yung coated kaso after some time nagiging madumi yung heads eh..
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Riff_6603 on January 10, 2011, 01:49:16 AM
bossing, anong 2-ply drum heads ba ma recommend mo? gusto ko din sana yung coated kaso after some time nagiging madumi yung heads eh..

like what glennaui said, remo emperors maganda pero subjective pa din sa tenga yun. try checking online reviews, youtube pati soundclips para makakuha ka ng idea kung anong 2 ply head yung pasok sa sound preference mo. :-)
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: gss on January 11, 2011, 11:19:05 PM
mga sir maiba ako...in drum tuning...what would you trust more, a drum dial or your ears? I've tried tuning with and without a drum dial...kaso minsan kahit pareho ang reading sa drum dial per lug, magkakaiba yung tono per lug...so i fine-tune the lugs using my ears after using a drum dial. Is this a good drum tuning practice?
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: pmack on January 11, 2011, 11:28:37 PM
mga sir maiba ako...in drum tuning...what would you trust more, a drum dial or your ears? I've tried tuning with and without a drum dial...kaso minsan kahit pareho ang reading sa drum dial per lug, magkakaiba yung tono per lug...so i fine-tune the lugs using my ears after using a drum dial. Is this a good drum tuning practice?

ears.
yes, ok na practice yung tuning with a dial and then fine-tuning with your ears.
darating yung time na you can tune with your ears na lang wala nang drum dial, which i think, should be everyone's target.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: cokeandjahsmoke on January 11, 2011, 11:35:00 PM
mga sir maiba ako...in drum tuning...what would you trust more, a drum dial or your ears? I've tried tuning with and without a drum dial...kaso minsan kahit pareho ang reading sa drum dial per lug, magkakaiba yung tono per lug...so i fine-tune the lugs using my ears after using a drum dial. Is this a good drum tuning practice?


bro, ok lng naman gumamit ng drumdial, honestly it helps to equal the tension of the lugs, and it helps para mag last yung drum heads.. but pero sa tuning you really need to develop tuning by ear, coz drumdial can't give you a tone at all, you may have a tone kng perfect yung bearing edge mo but mostly it only helps equal the tension.... what i do, i use drumdial to equal the tension para mas mabilis then totono ko nlng by ear then kng ma achieve mo na yung gusto mong sound, take note mo nlng yung tension ng each lug para sa next mas mabilis... but check mo muna bearing edge mo kng equal, baka needed na yun ng trimming... paayos mo nlng kng di pantay, meron dito sa philmusic ask mo lng ibang members.. search mo nlng sa net kng panu itroubleshoot ang bearing edge.. i hope nakatulong ako.. :-D
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: gss on January 12, 2011, 07:45:41 AM
thanks for the thoughts sirs cokeandjahsmoke and pmack...i agree that the final target is to tune them by ear, assist lang ang dial kasi mas mabilis nga, may jumpstart so to speak...my kit is relatively new and since di pa masyado kinukutingting except for 1 change of heads so far, i would think na ok pa yung bearing edges
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: cokeandjahsmoke on January 18, 2011, 10:21:24 PM
Question lng po.. Sino na po ba dito yung nakatry na mag palit ng tension rods? At may naka try na ba dito na pinalitan yung tension rods ng allen bolt, same size, din sa tension rods.. so instead na drum key yung gamitin for tuning eh, allen screw driver na yung gamit? Same pa rin ba yung tuning ng drums? I was thinking of modding my kit... Need your opinions... :-D :-D :-D :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Riff_6603 on January 19, 2011, 01:20:20 AM
Question lng po.. Sino na po ba dito yung nakatry na mag palit ng tension rods? At may naka try na ba dito na pinalitan yung tension rods ng allen bolt, same size, din sa tension rods.. so instead na drum key yung gamitin for tuning eh, allen screw driver na yung gamit? Same pa rin ba yung tuning ng drums? I was thinking of modding my kit... Need your opinions... :-D :-D :-D :mrgreen:

as long as even tension ang head, i can't see why not! :lol:
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: dolfmen on January 19, 2011, 07:47:00 PM
hello guys tanong ko lang kung ano tiningn nyo na bagay sa 14x6.5 na batter head? remo cs o evand hd dry salamat kung may idea din kayo sa price ayos yun!!  :-D
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Riff_6603 on January 20, 2011, 01:24:41 AM
hello guys tanong ko lang kung ano tiningn nyo na bagay sa 14x6.5 na batter head? remo cs o evand hd dry salamat kung may idea din kayo sa price ayos yun!!  :-D

ano ba sound habol mo? given the depth of the shell; kapag remo cs, punch without much overtones. kapag HD dry naman, crisp without much overtones.. :wink:
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: dolfmen on January 20, 2011, 03:23:25 AM
yung tamang tunog ng arcade fire, medyo punchy yung tunog medyo dry ata eh hehe di ko lang sure, basta medyo solid yung body, tama ba? vp na snare gamit ko, yung head naka kabit pinstipe na coated.  thanks!
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: glennaui on January 20, 2011, 10:31:11 AM
I just wanna share my what I have just experienced on tuning my Toms... :-)... I posted it on "What skin is best for toms" thread
... Di napansin na meron pala ito...


http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,96486.25.html
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Riff_6603 on January 21, 2011, 06:37:08 PM
yung tamang tunog ng arcade fire, medyo punchy yung tunog medyo dry ata eh hehe di ko lang sure, basta medyo solid yung body, tama ba? vp na snare gamit ko, yung head naka kabit pinstipe na coated.  thanks!

HD dry pasok bro, ST dry pala yung nasa isip ko na crisp sounding hehe! :-D
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: dolfmen on January 21, 2011, 07:20:38 PM
HD dry pasok bro, ST dry pala yung nasa isip ko na crisp sounding hehe! :-D

may idea ka ba kung magkano yung presyuhan nyan ngayon? salamat bro!
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Riff_6603 on January 22, 2011, 03:17:27 AM
may idea ka ba kung magkano yung presyuhan nyan ngayon? salamat bro!

no idea hehe! try inquiring sa jb.. :-D
Title: Help: begginer
Post by: ronald_rko on January 26, 2011, 09:59:48 PM
Hi! my friends is looking for drumheads... can you give me some advices in buying drumheads (brands, where to buy, and price ranges) ..

Thanks Philmusic!
Title: Re: Help: begginer
Post by: Riff_6603 on January 27, 2011, 06:05:30 PM
Hi! my friends is looking for drumheads... can you give me some advices in buying drumheads (brands, where to buy, and price ranges) ..

Thanks Philmusic!

things to consider when buying heads:

1.) how much are you willing to shell out?
2.) what sound are you after?

madali ka na namin matutulungan after mo ma-specify yung details! :wink:
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: plitipiw40315 on January 27, 2011, 07:53:24 PM
mga idol, suggest naman kayo ng pinaka da-best na drumhead for my catalina maple.. preferred ko na brand is REMO, at pang all around genre sana, yung pinaka versatile..thank!!  :-D
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: musicianurse28 on January 27, 2011, 11:41:25 PM
mga idol, suggest naman kayo ng pinaka da-best na drumhead for my catalina maple.. preferred ko na brand is REMO, at pang all around genre sana, yung pinaka versatile..thank!!  :-D

Master plitipiw40315 gayahin ko lang po yung post niyo. Pareho po kasi tayo ng gustong mangyari eh at Catalina Maple rin po yung kit ko :-)

mga idol, suggest naman kayo ng pinaka da-best na drumhead for my catalina maple.. preferred ko na brand is EVANS, at pang all around genre sana, yung pinaka versatile..thanks!!  :-D

Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: plitipiw40315 on January 28, 2011, 08:04:45 AM
Master plitipiw40315 gayahin ko lang po yung post niyo. Pareho po kasi tayo ng gustong mangyari eh at Catalina Maple rin po yung kit ko :-)

hehe..no problem bro..up lang natin yung tanong natin...  :-D
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Riff_6603 on January 28, 2011, 08:15:35 AM
mga idol, suggest naman kayo ng pinaka da-best na drumhead for my catalina maple.. preferred ko na brand is REMO, at pang all around genre sana, yung pinaka versatile..thank!!  :-D

Master plitipiw40315 gayahin ko lang po yung post niyo. Pareho po kasi tayo ng gustong mangyari eh at Catalina Maple rin po yung kit ko :-)

mga idol, suggest naman kayo ng pinaka da-best na drumhead for my catalina maple.. preferred ko na brand is EVANS, at pang all around genre sana, yung pinaka versatile..thanks!!  :-D

wala pang skin na ginagawa na "versatile" hehe subjective kasi sa tenga ng tao ang tunog na pasok sa genre of choice. but anyways, here are a couple of tried and tested tips IMO :-D

1.) Snare:
batter - single ply coated (Remo Ambassador / Evans G1)
reso - single ply clear (Remo Ambassador or Diplomat / Evans Hazy 200 or 300)

2.) Toms:
batter - double ply or single ply with overtone control ring (clear or coated) (Remo Emperor, Pinstripe or Powerstroke 3 / Evans G2, EC2, Genera or Hydraulic)
reso - single ply (clear or coated) (Remo Ambassador / Evans G1)

3.) Bass:
batter - single ply with overtone control ring or double ply (clear or coated) (Remo Powerstroke 3 or Powersonic / Evans EQ4, EMAD, GMAD, EMAD2)
reso - single ply with overtone control ring (Remo Powerstroke 3 / Evans EQ3 or REMAD)   
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: mahikawon666 on January 28, 2011, 08:35:03 AM
wala pang skin na ginagawa na "versatile" hehe subjective kasi sa tenga ng tao ang tunog na pasok sa genre of choice. but anyways, here are a couple of tried and tested tips IMO :-D

1.) Snare:
batter - single ply coated (Remo Ambassador / Evans G1)
reso - single ply clear (Remo Ambassador or Diplomat / Evans Hazy 200 or 300)

2.) Toms:
batter - double ply or single ply with overtone control ring (clear or coated) (Remo Emperor, Pinstripe or Powerstroke 3 / Evans G2, EC2, Genera or Hydraulic)
reso - single ply (clear or coated) (Remo Ambassador / Evans G1)

3.) Bass:
batter - single ply with overtone control ring or double ply (clear or coated) (Remo Powerstroke 3 or Powersonic / Evans EQ4, EMAD, GMAD, EMAD2)
reso - single ply with overtone control ring (Remo Powerstroke 3 / Evans EQ3 or REMAD)   
thanks MASTER RIFF malaking tulong to ..balak ko magpalit ng evans g2 sa toms ko :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: phelep on January 28, 2011, 12:46:44 PM
gusto ko makuha tunog neto kaso di ko magawa.. im using remo pinstripe clear.
suggestion naman mga sir.. lutong kase ng tunog eh..
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Riff_6603 on January 28, 2011, 03:34:02 PM
gusto ko makuha tunog neto kaso di ko magawa.. im using remo pinstripe clear.
suggestion naman mga sir.. lutong kase ng tunog eh..


clarify ko lang, sa snare or sa toms? kung sa snare, mag-single ply coated batter ka then tune it a little higher sa reso. kung sa toms, tune the reso a little higher sa batter. hindi siya 100% same sounding though since recorded tracks are cleaner than live, but it may come close to the sound your looking for. :wink:
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: musicianurse28 on January 28, 2011, 11:41:53 PM
wala pang skin na ginagawa na "versatile" hehe subjective kasi sa tenga ng tao ang tunog na pasok sa genre of choice. but anyways, here are a couple of tried and tested tips IMO :-D

1.) Snare:
batter - single ply coated (Remo Ambassador / Evans G1)
reso - single ply clear (Remo Ambassador or Diplomat / Evans Hazy 200 or 300)

2.) Toms:
batter - double ply or single ply with overtone control ring (clear or coated) (Remo Emperor, Pinstripe or Powerstroke 3 / Evans G2, EC2, Genera or Hydraulic)
reso - single ply (clear or coated) (Remo Ambassador / Evans G1)

3.) Bass:
batter - single ply with overtone control ring or double ply (clear or coated) (Remo Powerstroke 3 or Powersonic / Evans EQ4, EMAD, GMAD, EMAD2)
reso - single ply with overtone control ring (Remo Powerstroke 3 / Evans EQ3 or REMAD)   

Panalo to! Salamat master Riff_66603! Actually sir lahat ng nabanggit niyo nasa choices ko na talaga eh, yun nga lang di rin makapili ng maayos dahil yung iba wala pa saten dito sa Pinas. Thanks ulit sir! Mod ka na rin pala :-) nice! :-D

Happy drumming!
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: karl713 on January 29, 2011, 01:02:07 AM
mga sir,tanong lang po san po kaya ako makakabili ng O-rings? para dun sa mga toms ko
ang size nila ay 10,12,14. :-) saka mag kano pa kaya magagastos ko dun? gusto ko lang po
kasi maitono drums ko ng maganda :-).
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: musicianurse28 on January 29, 2011, 07:19:46 AM
mga sir,tanong lang po san po kaya ako makakabili ng O-rings? para dun sa mga toms ko
ang size nila ay 10,12,14. :-) saka mag kano pa kaya magagastos ko dun? gusto ko lang po
kasi maitono drums ko ng maganda :-).

sa Lazer
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: glennaui on January 29, 2011, 08:39:11 PM
mga idol, suggest naman kayo ng pinaka da-best na drumhead for my catalina maple.. preferred ko na brand is REMO, at pang all around genre sana, yung pinaka versatile..thank!!  :-D

Brother, pag maple.. The best talaga ang Emperor Clear...  tapos tapatan mo ng super thin reso para labas na labas ang pagproject...
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: glennaui on January 29, 2011, 08:40:56 PM
Share ko lang mga kapatid...

Floor toms sounds great when they are suspended...

If it uses tom legs, place a floor mat under them...

Kaya ok na ok ang mga may drum carpet...
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: karl713 on January 29, 2011, 09:06:43 PM
sa Lazer

sir mag kano po kaya yun?
salamat po.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Riff_6603 on January 29, 2011, 09:53:37 PM
sir mag kano po kaya yun?
salamat po.

mga nasa around 150-200+ yung mute rings nila AFAIK pero baka nagtaas na din.. kung may mga luma kang heads pwede mo gawing mute rings yun or moongel na lang meron din si master vincher - www.thedrumshopmanila.com :-D

Panalo to! Salamat master Riff_66603! Actually sir lahat ng nabanggit niyo nasa choices ko na talaga eh, yun nga lang di rin makapili ng maayos dahil yung iba wala pa saten dito sa Pinas. Thanks ulit sir! Mod ka na rin pala :-) nice! :-D

Happy drumming!

walang anuman bro! mod or not, always ready to help out! cheers! :wink:
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: karl713 on January 29, 2011, 11:11:43 PM
mga nasa around 150-200+ yung mute rings nila AFAIK pero baka nagtaas na din.. kung may mga luma kang heads pwede mo gawing mute rings yun or moongel na lang meron din si master vincher - www.thedrumshopmanila.com :-D
ah.sige po sir.maraming salamat po.
dami ko nalalaman dito sa philmusic :-).
hindi nakakasawang mag basa. :-)
Title: Magandang drumhead para sa TAMA?
Post by: Drummerdude on March 10, 2011, 09:05:29 PM
Cnu po ba may alam kung anu mgndang drumhead sa tama? Malapit na kasi masira un original na drumhead nia eh...

pls do avoid text speak please. thanks! - mod
Title: Re: Magandang drumhead para sa TAMA?
Post by: vhinming on March 10, 2011, 09:19:56 PM
You may ask here po

PINOYDRUMS UNIFIED HELP THREAD (POST ALL GENERAL QUESTIONS HERE!) (http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,206948.0.html)

masyado pong general ang question nyo and most of them are answered here already  :wink: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread (http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,10184.0.html)


Title: Best Drum Heads.
Post by: rainreyes_325 on March 31, 2011, 05:56:10 PM
Ano ang pinaka mgndang drumheads na swack sa budget nating mga drummers? :))

survey lng ako para sa bbilhin drum head (BATTER AND RESO HEAD) para sa drums ko.

BASS DRUM- ?
High TOM - ?
Floor TOM - ?
Snare - ?

Thanks. :)
Title: Re: Best Drum Heads.
Post by: francisnuega on April 01, 2011, 12:55:25 PM
Kick- REMO Pinstripe Clear or REMO Powerstroke 3 Clear

Toms- Batter - Remo Pinstripe Clear, Remo Emperor Clear, Remo Ambassador Coated, Evans G2 Coated
          Reso- Any heads will do, basta durable at single ply lang :-D
Snare- Batter - Remo Ambassador Coated, Remo Emperor X, Evans Genera Dry, Evans Reverse Dot
          Reso - Remo Ambassador Clear, Evans G1 Clear

eto yung mga preffered heads ko ah, well nasa sayo padin yun  :-D
Title: Re: Best Drum Heads.
Post by: drummaniac on April 01, 2011, 03:23:43 PM
Remo Pinstripe para sa tom, powerstroke 3 para sa bass at coated ambassador para sa snare.
Title: Re: Best Drum Heads.
Post by: bulok on April 01, 2011, 04:35:35 PM
paano kung limited ang budget? ano kaya ang best drum head na affordable?
Title: Re: Best Drum Heads.
Post by: makinao on April 01, 2011, 05:17:44 PM
I've had lots of heads over the years. But right now, I've got Remo coated Ambassadors on everything (except of course Remo Ambassador Snare side on snare bottom). It works for me.
Title: Re: Best Drum Heads.
Post by: rainreyes_325 on April 01, 2011, 05:39:58 PM
sabi nila Remo Ambassador na daw ang Pinakamagndang Swack sa Budgets ng Drummers. :)) kaya i'm planning to buy that kind of drum heads. nsa magkano b ang remo ambassador? saka san ito nbibili ng mura?
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Title: Re: Professional Drums Setup person
Post by: jepoyoy on April 25, 2011, 08:12:00 AM
ako din, I need someone who could tune my drums the way I want it :), pero generic lang drumset namin sa church. Ok lang b un?
Title: Re: Professional Drums Setup person
Post by: peeves24 on April 25, 2011, 08:45:04 AM
Hi guys,

this maybe a stupid person (I'm not a drummer), but is there a professional drum setup guy? Like what a luthier is to a guitar.  Someone who can go to our place and tune/setup/fix our drumset (because it sounds like crap).

Thanks!

like a guitar, you can only do so much when tuning your drums and if it "sounds like crap" no matter how you toyed with the tuning then it probably is but you have to put effort by actually experimenting with tuning first to determine that.

to start, get a good high tone first on the smallest tom first (getting good low tones is hard for beginners lalo na kung single ply heads lang gamit), doesnt matter if it doesnt sound like the one you hear on a recording. just get that tom to an acceptable playing tone and tweak it everyday i promise you will get good at it. you will eventually learn the sound of that tom and you can lower the tone by ear then you can relate the tone to the other drums.

snares are the easiest to tune, for beginners, just tighten everything and it will sound good  :-D



ako din, I need someone who could tune my drums the way I want it :)

hmmm then you should learn to tune your own drums  :-D its really not that hard, it just takes time and patience. panoorin mo yung vids na bob gatzen sa youtube and listen to it using high quality headphones or speakers so that you will really hear the sound of the drums.
Title: Re: Professional Drums Setup person
Post by: makinao on April 25, 2011, 12:32:39 PM
As an educator, I think it is better to have someone teach you how to setup drums than to do it for you. For example, tuning can change very quickly, like a guitar. So I can't imagine having someone come over to your house just to tune your guitar.

Has a drum setup workshop been done here before?  AFAIK, most workshops are devoted to playing and listening. If not, I suggest it be considered at the next EB.

P.S. I volunteered to do this in my Church a couple of years ago. I had a whole-day workshop planned out, which included things like 1) drum parts, 2) assembly and disassembly, 3) head types, 4) tuning/tensioning, 5) muffling, 5) sticks, 6) kit positioning, 7) hardware, 8 ) maintenance and first aid. Alas, they never got back to me, so hindi natuloy.
Title: Re: Professional Drums Setup person
Post by: peeves24 on April 25, 2011, 12:46:23 PM
nagkaron na ng drum tuning topics noon sa mga eb kaya lang matagal na masyado at iba na yung mga nagpopost dito hehehe

kailangan na ulitin ulit



to noobs in tuning: also keep in mind that drums are very highly dependent on the room. tuning your drums in your small room will almost always sound like crap and when you bring it to your gig, it will sound different. the floor alone will change the sound drastically. cement floors sound different from wood floors, carpeted hotel floors sound deader etc...

so tune your drums inside the room you will be playing at
Title: drums & pillow
Post by: straightwire on May 07, 2011, 12:16:20 PM
ano ba talaga ang purpose at nilalagyan ng unan ang bass drum tingin ko lalo lang humihina ang tunog sabi naman ng iba para daw mas buo ung tunog
Title: drums & pillow
Post by: pedaldeaf3 on May 07, 2011, 12:28:02 PM
Next time sir dito po tayo mag-post ng tanong...

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,207348.0.html

Yung unan or bass drum muffling is a matter of preference...
For short kanya kanyang trip yan ng tunog ng bass drum...
If para sa pandinig or panlasa mo pangit yung tunog niya...
You can't say the same sa gustong sound ng ibang drummer...

I prefer my bass drums muffled, since old school na skins ko...
Minsan kase sa skin ng bass drum affected ang sound...
And a more powerful "tug" ang sounds that I want...
Title: drums & pillow
Post by: nicewhun on May 09, 2011, 05:44:33 PM
im a new drummer gusto ko bumili ng drumset at may teacher ako tapos napa punta kami sa isang studio(JAMTRAXX)  ngayon binili namin ung drum set doon hindi ko pa alam mga magagandang set at mga qualities nila at hindi ko rin pala alam wala ding alam ung teacher ko, ngayon nabili namin ung set at ang brand is "GTX" ngayon pag uwi namin umalis na teacher ko at inassemble ko at kinabukasan linagyan ng teacher ko ng foam sa loob para may muffler "AND HIR IS THE PROBLEM PAG PALO KO NG SNARE ANG PANGET NG TUNOG (NOTE:WALANG FOAM UN) MAY ECHO SIYA PAG PINALO PATI NG FLOOR TOM AT NA BWISIT AKO KC TOTALLY PANGET SIYA!" and guys  i really need your suggestion para mapaganda ung tunog nung set ko anu gagawin ko? , (NOTE: nag iisip ako na bumili ng bagong set)
Title: drums & pillow
Post by: geremii on May 09, 2011, 06:17:39 PM
how much mo ba nakuha ser? ang gtx kc entry level kit lang. what you pay is what you get. ika nga nila. or maybe try to change the heads and the snare wire.
cheers! :-)
Title: drums & pillow
Post by: hayewire on May 09, 2011, 06:25:28 PM
suggestion ko lang po
1. ano tatak ng heads stock ba? pag oo palitan mo ng remo heads pag gusto mo mura palitan mo ng lazer heads yung coated kulay puti, tapos bilhan mo din ng mufler yung sa tom,tom at floor tom sa lazer din nabibili yun ring na bilog pinapatong sa gilid ng heads.
2, yung snare mo ba metal o wood?palitan mo din heads ng remo or lazer coated, check mo din yung snare wires kung masyado malapad or madami strands pwede ka bumili mas konte, yung saken binawasan ko pinutol cutter
3.tapos tono mo nalang yung heads ng top at buttom.
4. may na encounter kasi ako generic din na snare ang hirap itono nde ko makuha gs2 ko tunog nde ko alam kung sa design ba yun, kahit palit heads, yamaha snare gamit ko madali lang itono
Title: drums & pillow
Post by: nicewhun on May 09, 2011, 06:50:51 PM
suggestion ko lang po
1. ano tatak ng heads stock ba? pag oo palitan mo ng remo heads pag gusto mo mura palitan mo ng lazer heads yung coated kulay puti, tapos bilhan mo din ng mufler yung sa tom,tom at floor tom sa lazer din nabibili yun ring na bilog pinapatong sa gilid ng heads.
2, yung snare mo ba metal o wood?palitan mo din heads ng remo or lazer coated, check mo din yung snare wires kung masyado malapad or madami strands pwede ka bumili mas konte, yung saken binawasan ko pinutol cutter
3.tapos tono mo nalang yung heads ng top at buttom.
4. may na encounter kasi ako generic din na snare ang hirap itono nde ko makuha gs2 ko tunog nde ko alam kung sa design ba yun, kahit palit heads, yamaha snare gamit ko madali lang itono


ANSWERE:
1) stock lang pero try ko bumili ng lazer heads pero pinkamalapit samin SM manila dun may lazer store
2) wood ung snare
3) marunong ako mag tono salamat
4) ang main problem ko talga ung "ECHO"
Title: drums & pillow
Post by: nicewhun on May 09, 2011, 06:53:52 PM
how much mo ba nakuha ser? ang gtx kc entry level kit lang. what you pay is what you get. ika nga nila. or maybe try to change the heads and the snare wire.
cheers! :-)


anu po set ninyo? at magknu?

pls avoid text speak please - mod
Title: drums & pillow
Post by: drummerspoundharder on May 09, 2011, 07:30:33 PM

ANSWERE:
1) stock lang pero try ko bumili ng lazer heads pero pinkamalapit samin SM manila dun may lazer store
2) wood ung snare
3) marunong ako mag tono salamat
4) ang main problem ko talga ung "ECHO"

by echo i think you mean overtone sir.you can google techniques on how to remove overtone  :-D
Title: drums & pillow
Post by: saucecentral0717 on May 09, 2011, 07:57:33 PM
overtones are a common problem. kahit maganda po ung kit sir talagang issue yon. well of course the area is another thing but here are a few things that you can do do remove the overtones.

1. use an o-ring and put it to your snare or drum that you want the overtone removed. makakabili ka ng ganito sa mga music stores kahit saan at mura lang naman.

2. try replacing the head of the drum. in most cases, drummers would use a coated head for the snare (as this helps in reducing the overtone). kung kulang pa rin try using a coated head + the o-ring. that will cause a major reduction in overtone believe me. as mga toms naman, you can place an o-ring o kaya gumamit ka ng double ply head and that would work out fine. Kung mag lalagay ka pa ng o-ring kasama ng double ply head baka hindi na mag resonate ung toms mo at hindi mo na ma appreciate.

3. ung bottom head ng drums malaki din ang kinalaman sa tone ng drum. try loosening the bottom head and tighten/loosen the batter head and from there you will hear that mag iiba ung sound. remember, kung mahigpit ung bottom head mas mataas ang sound ng drum at mas malapit ito sa paggawa ng overtone.

hope that helps sir  :-D
Title: drums & pillow
Post by: hayewire on May 09, 2011, 09:55:57 PM
meron na din ako na encounter na snare picolo na wood generic nde ko na babanggitin brand bka may ma offebd parang ganun sa description mo tunog kahit ano gawin ko tono palit ng wire,skin ayun binenta ko solve ang problema ko he..he.. i've guess design is the factor.
Title: drums & pillow
Post by: nicewhun on May 09, 2011, 10:20:15 PM
meron na din ako na encounter na snare picolo na wood generic nde ko na babanggitin brand bka may ma offebd parang ganun sa description mo tunog kahit ano gawin ko tono palit ng wire,skin ayun binenta ko solve ang problema ko he..he.. i've guess design is the factor.


ya i think that is it nkita ko sa raon mga drums doon may butas sa gilid ung akin weron thanks for the comment

pls avoid text speak please - mod
Title: drums & pillow
Post by: nicewhun on May 09, 2011, 10:22:39 PM
overtones are a common problem. kahit maganda po ung kit sir talagang issue yon. well of course the area is another thing but here are a few things that you can do do remove the overtones.

1. use an o-ring and put it to your snare or drum that you want the overtone removed. makakabili ka ng ganito sa mga music stores kahit saan at mura lang naman.

2. try replacing the head of the drum. in most cases, drummers would use a coated head for the snare (as this helps in reducing the overtone). kung kulang pa rin try using a coated head + the o-ring. that will cause a major reduction in overtone believe me. as mga toms naman, you can place an o-ring o kaya gumamit ka ng double ply head and that would work out fine. Kung mag lalagay ka pa ng o-ring kasama ng double ply head baka hindi na mag resonate ung toms mo at hindi mo na ma appreciate.

3. ung bottom head ng drums malaki din ang kinalaman sa tone ng drum. try loosening the bottom head and tighten/loosen the batter head and from there you will hear that mag iiba ung sound. remember, kung mahigpit ung bottom head mas mataas ang sound ng drum at mas malapit ito sa paggawa ng overtone.

hope that helps sir  :-D


wow that helps sir thank you very much , i dont think my 2ply ang lazer heads eh remo weron pero hindi ako sure sa lazer try ko din punta ako sa lazer store
Title: drums & pillow
Post by: pmack on May 10, 2011, 01:06:06 AM
isa pang pwedeng factor kung bakit hindi mo mapatunog ng maganda yung snare mo is, it could be out of round.
kuha ka ng measuring tape, yung layo ng magkakatapat na lugs, dapat pare-parehas sila all around the drum. pag may isang side/lug na mas maliit/malaki ang sukat, out of round nga yang snare mo. (kahit 1/8" lang malaki na ang pwedeng maging epekto sa tunog).


Title: Drum tuning
Post by: carleywarley on June 07, 2011, 02:12:19 PM
Sorry hindi ako maka-search kasi parang may stress daw sa server or something so gagawa nalang ako ng bagong topic. Kakabili ko lang ng bagong heads. Replaced them and tried to tune my drums while watching youtube videos. I've followed them as accurately as i could but now my drums sound terrible,except nalang sa bass drum. Meron ba kayong alam na tutorials na talagang makakatulong sa mga baguhan mag tuning?
Title: Drum tuning
Post by: joss on June 08, 2011, 06:50:25 AM
bagong bili lng kc drumkit ko. mataas un tono nya, gsto ko lng ibaba.

kailangan ko ba bumili ng bagong skin?

kailangan ba talaga butasan ko ang bass drum?

kailangan ko ba tanggalin skin sa ilalim ng tom?

Title: Drum tuning
Post by: peeves24 on June 08, 2011, 01:02:31 PM
1. di mo kailangan bumili ng bagong skin. lagyan mo lang ng duct tape at tissue muna yung top at bottom heads tapos luwagan mo yung tension rods

2. di mo kailangang butasan yung bass drum pero wala naman problema kung gusto mo. wag lang sobrang laki ng butas kasi useless na rin yung front head nun. kung sobrang liit naman parang hindi mo rin binutasan yung head kasi matalbog pa rin yung beater. yung tama lang na sukat sa kin yung kasing laki ng lata ng century tuna, nabawasan yung talbog ng beater pero maganda pa rin tone ng kick kahit na mahina yung hits.

3. di mo kailangan tangalin yung ilalim na heads. yun ang nagbibigay ng lalim sa tunog ng toms mo, pag inalis mo yun para ka ng pumalo sa karton


personal opinion lang lahat...take it with a grain of salt. experiment ka lang para malaman mo rin yung preferences mo.
Title: Drum tuning
Post by: angelyasha on June 08, 2011, 03:24:18 PM
ou bro,. tama sya. wla kdpat gawin kundi i- udjust ung mga tension nga tunog nga mga kit mo. may makikita ka sa gilid ng mga kit mo like toms, bass drum and snare na luwagan. udjust mo un. luwagan mo or sikipan depende kung ano gusto mong tunog ;)
Title: Re: PINOYDRUMS UNIFIED HELP THREAD (POST ALL GENERAL DRUM-RELATED QUESTIONS HERE!)
Post by: musicianurse28 on June 13, 2011, 12:02:32 AM
Yung sinasabi po nilang "kumakanta yung mga toms", pano po ba magagawa yun?

I mean, batter is higher than reso? Batter and reso are almost identical? Batter is lower than reso? Di ko po makuha yung gusto kong tunog ng 10'' tom ko eh..It has Evans G2 Clear batter and Gretsch stock single ply reso.. Thanks
Title: Re: PINOYDRUMS UNIFIED HELP THREAD (POST ALL GENERAL DRUM-RELATED QUESTIONS HERE!)
Post by: Riff_6603 on June 13, 2011, 01:52:52 AM
Yung sinasabi po nilang "kumakanta yung mga toms", pano po ba magagawa yun?

I mean, batter is higher than reso? Batter and reso are almost identical? Batter is lower than reso? Di ko po makuha yung gusto kong tunog ng 10'' tom ko eh..It has Evans G2 Clear batter and Gretsch stock single ply reso.. Thanks

try tuning the reso higher. for attack naman, tune the batter higher. depende din sa specs ng toms mo at heads na gamit mo. IMO masarap gumamit ng coated single ply heads kung gusto mong kumanta yung toms mo. double ply heads tend to deaden the tones kasi, but it doesn't mean that 2 ply heads suck. nasa tuning lang lahat yan :-)
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: megs on June 13, 2011, 03:00:01 PM
mga YO Help nyo ako!  :?

Need ko ng Bass HeadSkin, saan ba nakakabili ng cheap but credible skin 22" tong bass drum ko e, ano ba dapat kong bilhin, makano at saan? tnx to all replies  :?
Title: Re: PINOYDRUMS UNIFIED HELP THREAD (POST ALL GENERAL DRUM-RELATED QUESTIONS HERE!)
Post by: dreendroid on July 31, 2011, 12:00:38 PM
Tanong lang po uli... I have this TAMA Superstar kit...magandang kit right? pero stock heads suck!  :evil:
Okay kaya kung ang ang palitan ko lang na heads ay un batter? -trip ko kasi kunin un Evans Onyx na 2ply. Basta un black  :-)

Kasi mukhang pwede pa naman un resonant ko. still looking new. Sa tuning...I think i can na rin.
Title: Re: PINOYDRUMS UNIFIED HELP THREAD (POST ALL GENERAL DRUM-RELATED QUESTIONS HERE!)
Post by: tyrande101 on July 31, 2011, 09:42:05 PM
Tanong lang po uli... I have this TAMA Superstar kit...magandang kit right? pero stock heads suck!  :evil:
Okay kaya kung ang ang palitan ko lang na heads ay un batter? -trip ko kasi kunin un Evans Onyx na 2ply. Basta un black  :-)

Kasi mukhang pwede pa naman un resonant ko. still looking new. Sa tuning...I think i can na rin.

isa na ako sa mga most commenter na pare-parehas lang ang sinasabi.. Pinstripe . haha! balance naman kasi talaga tumunog yun, kahit mga gospel drummers, naka-pinstripe lang din sila. wag lang sa snare tsaka kick, there's more options sa mga yun. pero kung gusto mong flexible sa lahat ng tugtugan, Pinstripe for the win!
Title: Re: PINOYDRUMS UNIFIED HELP THREAD (POST ALL GENERAL DRUM-RELATED QUESTIONS HERE!)
Post by: dreendroid on July 31, 2011, 11:42:18 PM
isa na ako sa mga most commenter na pare-parehas lang ang sinasabi.. Pinstripe . haha! balance naman kasi talaga tumunog yun, kahit mga gospel drummers, naka-pinstripe lang din sila. wag lang sa snare tsaka kick, there's more options sa mga yun. pero kung gusto mong flexible sa lahat ng tugtugan, Pinstripe for the win!

note: metal tugtugan..hehe. Punchy ang habol dito. 2ply yan right?

Pero eto nga ang pinakatanong ko, since na pinstripe ang nirerequest niyo, take note na batter lang ang papalitan ko. I'll keep my reso heads on. Would it still sound great or what? New head on the batter+old stock head reso  :-D
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: shinobi_hand on August 02, 2011, 05:00:05 PM
try ec2.s if you can get your hands on em they sound a lil more versatile than pinstripes.

note: metal tugtugan..hehe. Punchy ang habol dito. 2ply yan right?

Pero eto nga ang pinakatanong ko, since na pinstripe ang nirerequest niyo, take note na batter lang ang papalitan ko. I'll keep my reso heads on. Would it still sound great or what? New head on the batter+old stock head reso  :-D

how old is your drum set? the stock heads should still be fine if its less than 8 months old. try g2's or if you want remo powerstoke4. the head will make little difference unless your absolutely certain of the sound you want. pinstripes are good for metal and your resonant head should be fine for as long as you tuned it properly and didnt mess around with it much.   
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: dreendroid on August 02, 2011, 08:47:46 PM
how old is your drum set?

2 months. haha!  :-D Less than 8 months pla ah.haha. ayus

at feel ko nasa tono na tong mga to...gawa ako video some other time testing it all around para makita niyo...gusto ko lang marinig opinions nio kung tuned na nga ba talaga

Thanks  :-D
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: tom_morelo2001 on August 02, 2011, 11:27:37 PM
maganda po ba ang yamaha stage custom?madali ba sya maitono?tnx po
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: makinao on August 02, 2011, 11:36:57 PM
Maganda ang stage custom. I'd buy it if I had the money. But the local price sa PP and Yupangco is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: tom_morelo2001 on August 03, 2011, 09:20:04 AM
Maganda ang stage custom. I'd buy it if I had the money. But the local price sa PP and Yupangco is ridiculous.

 tnx po po,more info mga tol tnx...send ko
ang pic n2 para mas mbigyan nio ko info,give nio lng email add nio tnx..

pls avoid text speak - mod
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: otepandrew on August 09, 2011, 03:56:28 PM
mag prvide ka na lang ng isa pang skin ng bass drums na pang harap na mat butas at isang walang butas depende kasi sa tugtugan eh kung wala namang mic mas magnda kung walang butas

pls avoid text speak - mod
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: otepandrew on August 19, 2011, 01:29:04 PM
sir bumili po ako ng snare eh pero from raon lang medyo may echo eh, siguro din kasi fake, galing raon kasi eh pano kaya pwede gawin??
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: revelaxionz09 on August 19, 2011, 02:14:28 PM
yung echo na sinasabi mo overtones yun, the more na mahigpit ang tuning mo the more na magkaka overtones. maglagay ka ng moongel, o kaya duct tape. para mabawasan overtones.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: otepandrew on August 26, 2011, 12:04:18 AM
yung echo na sinasabi mo overtones yun, the more na mahigpit ang tuning mo the more na magkaka overtones. maglagay ka ng moongel, o kaya duct tape. para mabawasan overtones.


san po nakakabili ng duct tape? jBmusic? or meron din sa LAZER?
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: makinao on August 26, 2011, 12:10:43 AM
Duct Tape? National Bookstore or any hardware store.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: otepandrew on August 26, 2011, 12:14:55 AM
Duct Tape? National Bookstore or any hardware store.



ok ok di ko kasi alam un eh hehe kala ko sa JBmusic meron nun ok sige po bukas na bukas bili na ako agad para ganda na tunog ng snare ko thanks po sir
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: jobo_ph on November 11, 2011, 06:07:34 PM
Just a newbie drummer with a recently acquired drum set.

After some reading, I chose Evans as my preferred brand.

Please correct me if I am wrong... Is it only JB Music that carry Evans drum heads locally?

The recent JB Music sale gave me the impression that the breath and depth of the availability and replenishment of Evans heads in the Philippine market is NOT good.

I couldn't get ALL the heads I needed after scouring a lot of their branches (SM North, Trinoma, SM Mega, Parksquare, Harrison, ATC).

I had to source several heads online (eBay, Amazon).

Is this really the usual case (few head models/poor stock) and I'm better off buying online?

Or was my timing just bad?

Tips? Sources?

Thanks for any input on this matter.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: mokie on November 11, 2011, 09:30:34 PM
sa tingin ko sir talagang hindi pa complete ang Evans heads nila, kaya kulang pa ang mga choices natin dito, malay lang po natin ngayong parating na daw stocks nila baka may dumagdag ng pagpipilian.
ang pangit lang,napansin ko sa mga stock nilang coated heads na evans ang dumi, kahit pa nakabox. (experience ko lang po ito kapag nagpupunta ako ng jb para bumili ng heads, kaya minsan nakakadismaya  bumili).
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: musicianurse28 on November 11, 2011, 09:41:04 PM
Just a newbie drummer with a recently acquired drum set.

After some reading, I chose Evans as my preferred brand.

Please correct me if I am wrong... Is it only JB Music that carry Evans drum heads locally?

The recent JB Music sale gave me the impression that the breath and depth of the availability and replenishment of Evans heads in the Philippine market is NOT good.

I couldn't get ALL the heads I needed after scouring a lot of their branches (SM North, Trinoma, SM Mega, Parksquare, Harrison, ATC).

I had to source several heads online (eBay, Amazon).

Is this really the usual case (few head models/poor stock) and I'm better off buying online?

Or was my timing just bad?

Tips? Sources?

Thanks for any input on this matter.

Maybe your timing was just bad.. All my Evans heads, batter or reso came from JB Music.. Actually it's Salongga Music Store in Cubao, it's also a JB music company.. As of now after the Himig Lakas Sale that lasted till October 31, all their branches are still in the process of replenishing new heads.. Just too bad that it takes time..

Just a tip;
If you still want to use Evans but JB Music has still no stock, you can place your order to Vinci Rodriguez of the Drum Shop Manila and he'll order it from you FRESH from the U.S.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: jobo_ph on November 14, 2011, 10:16:40 AM
sa tingin ko sir talagang hindi pa complete ang Evans heads nila, kaya kulang pa ang mga choices natin dito, malay lang po natin ngayong parating na daw stocks nila baka may dumagdag ng pagpipilian.
ang pangit lang,napansin ko sa mga stock nilang coated heads na evans ang dumi, kahit pa nakabox. (experience ko lang po ito kapag nagpupunta ako ng jb para bumili ng heads, kaya minsan nakakadismaya  bumili).

Sana nga.

I guess, drum heads, in general, are slow moving items.

As for dirty coated heads, kailangan siguro pina-plastic ang mga ito ng Evans or kahit parang cling-wrap. The EMAD reso I recently received from Brook Mays (via Amazon) was inside a plastic. I also had luck with the G2 coated head I used for my snare even if it wasn't in a plastic.

Depende din sa JB Music branch kung pa'pano nila i-store yung heads. May ibang branches kasi, kawawa ang pagkaka-store ng heads.

I just wish popular models (i.e. G2, G1) and sizes are readily more available.

Maybe your timing was just bad.. All my Evans heads, batter or reso came from JB Music.. Actually it's Salongga Music Store in Cubao, it's also a JB music company.. As of now after the Himig Lakas Sale that lasted till October 31, all their branches are still in the process of replenishing new heads.. Just too bad that it takes time..

Just a tip;
If you still want to use Evans but JB Music has still no stock, you can place your order to Vinci Rodriguez of the Drum Shop Manila and he'll order it from you FRESH from the U.S.

Ah, di ko nadalaw yung Salonga Music Store sa Cubao. Not too fond of going to Cubao. May balat ata ako sa pwet, ilang beses na kasi ako na-holdap sa Cubao nung high school pa ako. Pero, minsan, dalawin ko yan.

Ang isa pa problema ko, malayo tinitirhan ko. Los Banos. Di madali basta lumakad at maghanap.

Thanks sa tip (Drum Shop Manila). I'll keep that in mind.

Generally, I guess, I'm better off buying online for the next round of head replacements (when which of the current ones start to wear out). Unless, sa mga opportunities makadalaw ako sa anumang branch ng JB Music, ay pagpalarin na available yung hanap ko.
Title: Re: GRETSCH Drums thread
Post by: patr3ck on November 14, 2011, 02:10:32 PM
ga sir ano pala magandang snare head (batter & reso) for the catalina ash na pang funky, alternative,
progressive, r&b? Gusto ko kasi yung mejo meron pa ding unti overtone pero minimal lang. And pwede din
i-tune as tight as possible pero durable. Pasok po ba ang coated Genera Dry & Evans Hazy 300 jan?
or coated Emperor X & clear Diplomat/Hazy Ambassador? Thanks!


Update: Bought Evans Genera Dry sa Salonga Cubao, wala sila stock ng Hazy 300 or Hazy Ambassadors
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: muziquero on November 25, 2011, 09:00:46 PM
Mga tol patulong naman, im planning to replace my bass drum batter next week.. PDP lang kse gamit ko now, ung 1 ply.. And im choosing between these heads..

REMO Powersonic or EVANS Emad Onyx.. Which one is better?..

BTW yung kit ko is a PEARL export series.. 22" Yung Kick..

Thanks!..  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: jepoyoy on November 25, 2011, 09:08:53 PM
Try Aquarians.. Sa mga naresearch ko, they have one of the best batter heads for bass drums. Di pa naman ako nakakatry, never bought a head bigger than 16" hehe :D
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: muziquero on November 25, 2011, 09:23:03 PM
Try Aquarians.. Sa mga naresearch ko, they have one of the best batter heads for bass drums. Di pa naman ako nakakatry, never bought a head bigger than 16" hehe :D

Sa JB music kase ako bibile, sale kase.. Yung 2 talaga pinagpipilian ko sir.. Ehehe..
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: NATSBRATS on November 25, 2011, 09:34:21 PM
Mga sirs, meron akong pearl export drums. I'm thinking of putting double ply heads as reasonant heads para maachive yung round, fat, focused sound sa toms. Lalo na sa 16" floor tom. Meron na bang naka try neto? Para maalis yung "wangy" sound?  :?
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Riff_6603 on November 26, 2011, 11:06:23 AM
Mga sirs, meron akong pearl export drums. I'm thinking of putting double ply heads as reasonant heads para maachive yung round, fat, focused sound sa toms. Lalo na sa 16" floor tom. Meron na bang naka try neto? Para maalis yung "wangy" sound?  :?

ano ba yung batters mo? paano mo ba itinono? kasi anything thicker than the usual single ply reso would deaden the sound of your drums. you could try using moongels sa batters or use mute rings instead.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: NATSBRATS on November 26, 2011, 12:18:24 PM
ano ba yung batters mo? paano mo ba itinono? kasi anything thicker than the usual single ply reso would deaden the sound of your drums. you could try using moongels sa batters or use mute rings instead.

Remo pinstripes batter tapos evans g1 yung reso. Ok naman yung tunog ng 13" tom. Yung 16" tom malakas yung overtones "wangy". Medium tuning sa batter at reso.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: marko21 on November 26, 2011, 03:05:08 PM
^Baka masyado mataas yung batter mo? Try mo above wrinkle lang yung setting
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: soulreaver on November 26, 2011, 07:53:59 PM
Mga tol patulong naman, im planning to replace my bass drum batter next week.. PDP lang kse gamit ko now, ung 1 ply.. And im choosing between these heads..

REMO Powersonic or EVANS Emad Onyx.. Which one is better?..

BTW yung kit ko is a PEARL export series.. 22" Yung Kick..

Thanks!..  :mrgreen:

Hi,
san mo nabili pearl export mo? I'll be buying my first kit kasi e..
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: NATSBRATS on November 26, 2011, 08:47:17 PM
^Baka masyado mataas yung batter mo? Try mo above wrinkle lang yung setting

Nagawa ko na yun sir. Hindi ok yung tunog. Loose yung tunog. 
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: muziquero on November 26, 2011, 10:40:12 PM
Hi,
san mo nabili pearl export mo? I'll be buying my first kit kasi e..

Nabili ko land 2nd hand sir.. Ahehe ..
Wala ng export now alam ko, Vision series na.. Pero kung medyo konti budget mo yung Forum series ayos nadin pang beginner..  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: peeves24 on November 27, 2011, 11:32:18 AM
Nagawa ko na yun sir. Hindi ok yung tunog. Loose yung tunog.

stock heads pa rin ba? yung suggestion ni marko21, ginawa mo rin ba yun sa bottom head? ang "wangy" term mo ba yung parang plastic slap na tunog? if yes, tight na yung heads nun and you need to loosen both heads.

ang pagtono very tiny turns lang kapag nasa point ka na wala ng wrinkles. trial and error lang naman sa simula, yung tiny turns na sinasabi ko parang 12oclock to 1 oclock turn lang yun. paluin mo sa center yung head saka mo gawin yung pag turn. dapat marinig mo na tumaas yung pitch ng head habang nagsusustain pa. kapag malapit na sa interval yung pitch nung top at bottom heads, mawawala yung "loose" na tunog na sinasabi mo at magiging full at round sya kahit konting pihit lang sa tension rods.

kapag wala ka narinig na change, ibig sabihin lang nun di pa narerecognize ng tenga mo yung small pitch changes. remember, every movement of your tension rod will cause a change in your sound. just keep doing it, you'll be able to recognize pitch shift by doing this a lot then you'll be able to tune your drums.

Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: dreddurius on November 27, 2011, 12:13:21 PM
Far-fetched pero baka may kilala ka na may Drumdial or yung tension watch ng Tama. It removes most of the guesswork sa pagtotono. Nakatsamba lang talaga ako kahapon na mayroon pala yung ka-village ko nung nagpalit ako ng bagong heads.

Gaano na katagal ang heads mo? Baka medyo matagal na sya kaya yung natural degradation nya eh hinders yung tuning. Baka lang.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: NATSBRATS on November 27, 2011, 07:09:39 PM
stock heads pa rin ba? yung suggestion ni marko21, ginawa mo rin ba yun sa bottom head? ang "wangy" term mo ba yung parang plastic slap na tunog? if yes, tight na yung heads nun and you need to loosen both heads.

ang pagtono very tiny turns lang kapag nasa point ka na wala ng wrinkles. trial and error lang naman sa simula, yung tiny turns na sinasabi ko parang 12oclock to 1 oclock turn lang yun. paluin mo sa center yung head saka mo gawin yung pag turn. dapat marinig mo na tumaas yung pitch ng head habang nagsusustain pa. kapag malapit na sa interval yung pitch nung top at bottom heads, mawawala yung "loose" na tunog na sinasabi mo at magiging full at round sya kahit konting pihit lang sa tension rods.

kapag wala ka narinig na change, ibig sabihin lang nun di pa narerecognize ng tenga mo yung small pitch changes. remember, every movement of your tension rod will cause a change in your sound. just keep doing it, you'll be able to recognize pitch shift by doing this a lot then you'll be able to tune your drums.

"Wangy" yung malakas ang overotnes sir. That's i describe it. Yung parang plastic for me "wet" yung tunog nun. I use remo pinstripe batter and evans g1 reso. Ayos yung 12" tom ko. yung 16" yung "wangy" pero ok naman yung tuning.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: marko21 on November 27, 2011, 08:51:30 PM
Naka export din ako sir at dabest nga set yung 12" na tom. Pero hindi naman "wangy" yung floortom ko, basta alam ko mas mataas ng onti yung reso ko kesa batter, pero hindi sila mahigpit :)
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: muziquero on December 07, 2011, 11:39:39 PM
Okei lang po bang reso yung tig 310 na heads sa lyric, yung pdp na my white sa gilid?.. Sa toms po.. :?
Title: mod merge split
Post by: muziquero on December 08, 2011, 11:20:31 AM

@master muziquero-sa jb music ko po binili  yun evans onyx heads..tnx po sa pagchek ng kit ko :-) :-)


Thanks sa info sir.. Kaso galing nako JB kahapon wala na daw csilang stock ng onyx!..  :-(
Sayang, kaya EC2 nalang binili ko..
Title: Re: Re: Lets see those kits!
Post by: kawayan_strat on December 08, 2011, 12:46:11 PM
Thanks sa info sir.. Kaso galing nako JB kahapon wala na daw csilang stock ng onyx!..  :-(
Sayang, kaya EC2 nalang binili ko..
magkano kuhamo sa EC2?
Title: Re: Re: Lets see those kits!
Post by: muziquero on December 08, 2011, 01:11:31 PM
magkano kuhamo sa EC2?

yung 12" 900, yung 16" 1,050.. Di nakasale sir eh..
Title: Re: PINOYDRUMS UNIFIED HELP THREAD (POST ALL GENERAL DRUM-RELATED QUESTIONS HERE!)
Post by: mokie on December 08, 2011, 10:16:56 PM
tanong po ulit.

guys anong mas ok sa 22" Bass drum ng cat maple, Emad2 or EQ4? thanks!
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: pmack on December 09, 2011, 11:28:28 AM
Okei lang po bang reso yung tig 310 na heads sa lyric, yung pdp na my white sa gilid?.. Sa toms po.. :?

ok sila.
last year i bought a whole set. comparable to clear ambassadors in my opinion.
pero ang napansin ko lang, madali "lumuwang" yung head. meaning madali mahila from their respecitive aluminum collars (i think that's what they're called).
kaya ingat lang baka ma-over tighten mo yung pagtono.
pero for the price, ok na ok sila.
ngayon pang resonant ko na lang sila. :)
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: muziquero on December 09, 2011, 12:47:57 PM
ok sila.
last year i bought a whole set. comparable to clear ambassadors in my opinion.
pero ang napansin ko lang, madali "lumuwang" yung head. meaning madali mahila from their respecitive aluminum collars (i think that's what they're called).
kaya ingat lang baka ma-over tighten mo yung pagtono.
pero for the price, ok na ok sila.
ngayon pang resonant ko na lang sila. :)

Pang-reso ko lng din sila, kakabili ko lang ng Evans EC2 for my toms, balak ko palitan yung reso, kase yung stock heads pa un.. Thanks sa info sir!..  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: blindedfox on December 09, 2011, 02:09:25 PM
Guys what do you think of Remo Black Suedes or Evans Onyx? Anyone na nakagamit na ng ganitong heads? And ano yung comments nyo about these drumheads? :)
Title: Re: Re: Lets see those kits!
Post by: kawayan_strat on December 09, 2011, 09:12:41 PM
yung 12" 900, yung 16" 1,050.. Di nakasale sir eh..
salamat sa reply!
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Chipstah on December 13, 2011, 02:58:56 PM
Guys,
Anyone out there offering drum tuning services?  Kasama na drum maintenance?

I really just dont have the time.  Plus, my kit is in my bandmates basement/studio in QC, where we play.

Willing to pay ofcourse.

Need to replace all screws that hold lugs to the shells. Rusty.

Thanks!  PM or text me (09209289027)
Title: cheap but good Drumheads ? ASAP
Post by: ronald_rko on December 25, 2011, 11:18:02 PM
Hi iask ko lang po kung anung drumheads ung mura pero mgnda kasi im planning to buy tomorrow sa raon. Mayroon daw remo na encore pero my mga nababasa akng fake na gnun.. What other alternative heads i can buy ?

salamat po

pls avoid partial text speak - mod
Title: Re: cheap but good Drumheads ? ASAP
Post by: Justin Maulit on December 26, 2011, 02:27:46 AM
I'll suggest lazer drum heads. They're not that bad at all in my opinion.
Title: Re: cheap but good Drumheads ? ASAP
Post by: peeves24 on December 26, 2011, 07:15:45 PM
attack, lazer, remo encore halos pareho lang sila. they may even be made from the same factory.

i suggest pdp sa lyric. mas muffled kasi yun at baka mahirapan ka magtono sa encore, lazer or attack
Title: Re: cheap but good Drumheads ? ASAP
Post by: HeartBreakOne on December 26, 2011, 11:11:10 PM
kakabili lang namin kanina hahahah pa close na tong thread  :-D
Title: Re: cheap but good Drumheads ? ASAP
Post by: geremii on December 27, 2011, 12:36:11 AM
attack, lazer, remo encore halos pareho lang sila. they may even be made from the same factory.

i suggest pdp sa lyric. mas muffled kasi yun at baka mahirapan ka magtono sa encore, lazer or attack

how much po price range nung pdp heads sa lyric master?
Title: drum tuning
Post by: HeartBreakOne on December 27, 2011, 12:38:59 AM
pano po makuha ung correct sound for the drumset? bago po kasi lahat ng drum heads ko  :-D
Title: Re: cheap but good Drumheads ? ASAP
Post by: lil.drummerboy on December 27, 2011, 12:51:53 AM
remo encore
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: blindedfox on December 27, 2011, 08:57:37 AM
Evans EC1 Reverse Dot. They are great sounding snare heads.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: yuki213 on January 31, 2012, 05:27:25 AM
guys ask ko lang pano po mag tono ng 5 lugs na tomtom

nahihirapan po kasi ako itono ung tom tom kong dalawa :(

tips nmn po dyan mga guys

thanks po
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Riff_6603 on January 31, 2012, 04:43:48 PM
guys ask ko lang pano po mag tono ng 5 lugs na tomtom

nahihirapan po kasi ako itono ung tom tom kong dalawa :(

tips nmn po dyan mga guys

thanks po

this might help! :-D

My 10" snare (that I used as a tom when my tom broke) has 6 lugs...

My new 10" acrylic also has 6.

I guess the problem with 5 is you can't partner the opposing lugs. But I've had decent results with my old generic 5-lug 12-incher.

Same ang process ko for reso and batters. It just differs how high-pitched your tom to be (batter), or if you prefer attack or warm resonance with decay (reso).

Here's what I do:

1. Finger tight all the screws
2. Palm the centre of the head
3. Apply around 2 turns to all the screws in the "star" order.

(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8846/zestar.jpg)

4. Tap the skin 1 inch from the each lug, and try the best you can to make sure that the pitch is uniform across all the lugs. (This helps eliminate baaad and overly-complex overtones)

5. Apply a uniform set of turns around the lugs again, til you get your desired pitch / skin tightness.

Based on experience, mas nadadalian akong i-tune ang small toms (10 and 12) compared to larger ones (14 and 16). Pero it's all about pitch uniformity - and - finding the sweet spot that the tom was made for.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: yuki213 on February 01, 2012, 12:19:20 AM
thanks po :) sobrang nkatulong po ito :)

this might help! :-D
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: blindedfox on February 06, 2012, 04:52:34 PM
Mga ka-PD, ano po bang magandang reso head ng Evans Onyx drumheads? I have a set coming and wala pa akong resonant na maipapartner sa kanila except sa mga generic na kasama nung kit ko hehe. Thanks!
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: vandal on February 06, 2012, 10:55:34 PM
^snare ba, toms, o bass drum?

kapag toms, it's recommended na you use 1-ply heads sa reso so your drums can sing. so ang mga alam ko na 1-ply, eto ang madalas gamitin:

Remo Diplomat
Remo Ambassador.
Evans G1.
Evans Genera Resonant
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: blindedfox on February 14, 2012, 12:09:42 PM
^snare ba, toms, o bass drum?

kapag toms, it's recommended na you use 1-ply heads sa reso so your drums can sing. so ang mga alam ko na 1-ply, eto ang madalas gamitin:

Remo Diplomat
Remo Ambassador.
Evans G1.
Evans Genera Resonant

Bossing, what is your opinion if I use 1-ply batter heads as resonant heads?  :?
(I tried once kasi sa snare, it sounded horrible. Sa toms hindi ko pa nattry..)
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: vandal on February 15, 2012, 01:15:49 AM
^yun talaga ang advisable, pre. ano ba ang reso na gamit mo ngayon? john bonham even used coated ambassadors on the reso of his toms. sa snare kasi usually dapat manipis talaga yung sa reso. like hazy 200 or hazy 300.

Still, provided you like the sound, you can use any drum head anywhere you like. :)
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: blindedfox on February 15, 2012, 10:09:57 AM
^yun talaga ang advisable, pre. ano ba ang reso na gamit mo ngayon? john bonham even used coated ambassadors on the reso of his toms. sa snare kasi usually dapat manipis talaga yung sa reso. like hazy 200 or hazy 300.

Still, provided you like the sound, you can use any drum head anywhere you like. :)

Sa ngayon po kasi, generic lang ung lahat ng resos ko. Ang batter ko ngayon for the three toms (12,13,16) ay Remo Ambs. Then magpapalit ako ng Evans Onyx. Sayang kc un Ambs hehe. Kaya if ever pwede, un Ambs ang gagawin kong resos for the toms hehe. I hope maganda un kinalabasan unlike dun sa snare experiment hehe.

Thanks for the input bro! :)
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: gss on February 15, 2012, 10:39:10 AM
^yun talaga ang advisable, pre. ano ba ang reso na gamit mo ngayon? john bonham even used coated ambassadors on the reso of his toms. sa snare kasi usually dapat manipis talaga yung sa reso. like hazy 200 or hazy 300.

Still, provided you like the sound, you can use any drum head anywhere you like. :)

I once tried transferring the stock coated snare batter head of my snare to the snare side when I installed a remo coated ambassador as batter head. It sounded thick, dry and dead.  Weird sounding it may be, it's possible for effects snare purposes, trip lang ika nga,...I ended up using a clear ambassador snare head.

My guess would be as you go thicker for reso heads for toms or snare, the thicker and deader the sound will be...ergo lesser sustain...

Actually, encouraging din ang mag experiment kasi dun nanggagaling ang magagandang discoveries...sa tingin ko wala naman talagang strict conventions sa head selection and combination...
Title: Re: Lets see those kits!
Post by: vandal on February 28, 2012, 07:58:12 AM
Share lang po. Bagong damit!

(http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee510/blindedfox/2012-02-27201542.jpg)

Evans Onyx 2-Ply. Ganda ng tunog even for a cheap kit. Super sarap itono!

hindi ba masyado nang dead ang tunog nyan, bro? 2-ply na 7.5mil na tapos may moongel pa? i suggest i-try mo na walang moongel tapos paglaruan mo yung tuning para mas ma explore mo yung range nung drum heads. IMHO lang naman, bro. hehe. if they sound good to you, then don't mind me.  :lol:

anyway, ganda tingnan! bagay sa kulay ng kit mo yung heads.
Title: Re: Re: Lets see those kits!
Post by: blindedfox on February 28, 2012, 09:19:00 AM
hindi ba masyado nang dead ang tunog nyan, bro? 2-ply na 7.5mil na tapos may moongel pa? i suggest i-try mo na walang moongel tapos paglaruan mo yung tuning para mas ma explore mo yung range nung drum heads. IMHO lang naman, bro. hehe. if they sound good to you, then don't mind me.  :lol:

anyway, ganda tingnan! bagay sa kulay ng kit mo yung heads.

Hehe ewan ko ba kc dun siguro sa pwesto nun kit. Parang pag walang moongel, may naririnig akong overtone e. Overtone nga ba tawag don hehe. Pero I'll take your advice bro. Try ko walang moongel hehe. Thanks bro!
Title: Re: Re: Lets see those kits!
Post by: pejadanza on February 28, 2012, 09:31:30 AM
kita ko sa pic parang enclosed ung drums mo sa small space tapos concrete wall yang katabi ng drums. mag riring talaga yan bro. dahil sa acoustics ng room. pag dinala mu sa labas, mag iba tunog nyan. maybe fit lang sa small space ung ginawa mung tuning at dampening ng drums. pero pag sa labas yan, i think dead ung sound. hindi kakanta ung toms. just my 23 cents.

nice yung heads bro inggit ako sa color. hehe
Title: Re: Re: Lets see those kits!
Post by: blindedfox on February 28, 2012, 09:43:39 AM
kita ko sa pic parang enclosed ung drums mo sa small space tapos concrete wall yang katabi ng drums. mag riring talaga yan bro. dahil sa acoustics ng room. pag dinala mu sa labas, mag iba tunog nyan. maybe fit lang sa small space ung ginawa mung tuning at dampening ng drums. pero pag sa labas yan, i think dead ung sound. hindi kakanta ung toms. just my 23 cents.

nice yung heads bro inggit ako sa color. hehe

Tama bro. Yung side at back nun kit, concrete wall nga cya. Hehe. Di ko pa kc nailalabas itong kit na to hehe. Try ko iakyat sa rooftop one of these days with the gang para matest hehe.
Title: Re: Re: Lets see those kits!
Post by: giyang_sam on February 28, 2012, 08:17:22 PM
kita ko sa pic parang enclosed ung drums mo sa small space tapos concrete wall yang katabi ng drums. mag riring talaga yan bro. dahil sa acoustics ng room. pag dinala mu sa labas, mag iba tunog nyan. maybe fit lang sa small space ung ginawa mung tuning at dampening ng drums. pero pag sa labas yan, i think dead ung sound. hindi kakanta ung toms. just my 23 cents.

nice yung heads bro inggit ako sa color. hehe

bro magkano score mo sa mga evans heads mo? thanks God Bless
Title: Need Help! in tweaking PDP Mainstage
Post by: batasngdm on March 05, 2012, 01:06:05 AM
Hello, fellow forum-ers!

Ayun, kakakuha palang namin ng PDP Mainstage Kit para samin ng kapatid ko. First time palang namin magkadrum-set kaya hanggang arrangement lang kami tsaka tightening ng mga components pero yung sound hindi kami convinced na okay na sya..

eto nga pala yung drums nung kit:
8 x 10" and 9 x 12" toms
14 x 16" floor tom                                               [kasama ride, crash, hi-hats na may hardware]
18 x 22" bass drum
5 x 14" snare

  -yung toms binilhan na ng Remo weatherking pinstripe para sa batter head..sa batter head lang wala sa resonant (gamit namin parin yung pre-packed heads)
  - tapos snare naman, weatherking coated ambassador..para rin sa batter head only..wala sa ilalim
  - bass drum, wala pang modifications, pre-packed heads parin yung gamit namin

kaya tanong ko lang kung anong dapat na ipang partner sa resonant head galing dun sa mga batter head na binili namin..
pati kung ano maganda head para sa bass drum
hehe sensya na sa lahat..sobrang bago lang talaga

salamat ng marami in advanced!
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: jobo_ph on March 05, 2012, 07:57:12 PM
Hello, fellow forum-ers!

Ayun, kakakuha palang namin ng PDP Mainstage Kit para samin ng kapatid ko. First time palang namin magkadrum-set kaya hanggang arrangement lang kami tsaka tightening ng mga components pero yung sound hindi kami convinced na okay na sya..

eto nga pala yung drums nung kit:
8 x 10" and 9 x 12" toms
14 x 16" floor tom                                               [kasama ride, crash, hi-hats na may hardware]
18 x 22" bass drum
5 x 14" snare

  -yung toms binilhan na ng Remo weatherking pinstripe para sa batter head..sa batter head lang wala sa resonant (gamit namin parin yung pre-packed heads)
  - tapos snare naman, weatherking coated ambassador..para rin sa batter head only..wala sa ilalim
  - bass drum, wala pang modifications, pre-packed heads parin yung gamit namin

kaya tanong ko lang kung anong dapat na ipang partner sa resonant head galing dun sa mga batter head na binili namin..
pati kung ano maganda head para sa bass drum
hehe sensya na sa lahat..sobrang bago lang talaga

salamat ng marami in advanced!

Not a Remo drum heads guy, but based on what I had read, the Powerstroke 3 rates highly as a bass drum batter.

And according to Remo's website, it is best paired with an Ebony Powerstroke 3 as a bass drum resonant.
(See last table - http://www.remo.com/portal/pages/drumming/product_tips/Drumming+Product+Tips+Drumhead+Selection.html (http://www.remo.com/portal/pages/drumming/product_tips/Drumming+Product+Tips+Drumhead+Selection.html))

Remo's answer to the popular Evans EMAD series would also be worth a look - the Powerstroke Pro.

As for the tom resonants, 10-mil clear Ambassadors come to mind.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: muziquero on March 07, 2012, 10:13:47 PM
Mga sir available nba sa JB music ung Evans Hybrid snare drum head?.. Gusto ko itry eh.. Ano masasabe nyo don?.. :?
Title: Re: LAZER Drums and Products Thread
Post by: iplaydrums4u on July 08, 2012, 09:21:16 PM
guys, question lang, mejo tight budget ngayon,
gaano ba kalaki ang difference between lazer and remo heads?
iniisip ko kasi snare lang muna ang remo, ang toms ko gawin ko na lang lazer muna?

pati ano pala marerecommend niyong remo head para sa steel na snare?
salamat :D
Title: Re: Re: LAZER Drums and Products Thread
Post by: Riff_6603 on July 08, 2012, 11:43:24 PM
guys, question lang, mejo tight budget ngayon,
gaano ba kalaki ang difference between lazer and remo heads?
iniisip ko kasi snare lang muna ang remo, ang toms ko gawin ko na lang lazer muna?

pati ano pala marerecommend niyong remo head para sa steel na snare?
salamat :D

para sa snare, generally remo coated ambassador or pwede din remo coated emperor. kung gusto mo mag-lazer heads muna sa toms, hanapin mo yung parang powerstroke nila na heads (clear with built in tone control ring) swabeng swabe yun pramis!
Title: Re: Re: LAZER Drums and Products Thread
Post by: iplaydrums4u on July 09, 2012, 10:05:27 PM
para sa snare, generally remo coated ambassador or pwede din remo coated emperor. kung gusto mo mag-lazer heads muna sa toms, hanapin mo yung parang powerstroke nila na heads (clear with built in tone control ring) swabeng swabe yun pramis!

salamat po, kagagaling ko lang sa JB megamall, out of stock ang remo ambasador/emperor :(

ung sa lazer po ba na sinasabi niyo, eto po ba un?
(http://www.lazermusic.com.ph/images/products/image/PD2-056.jpg)
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Riff_6603 on July 09, 2012, 10:48:50 PM
salamat po, kagagaling ko lang sa JB megamall, out of stock ang remo ambasador/emperor :(

ung sa lazer po ba na sinasabi niyo, eto po ba un?
(http://www.lazermusic.com.ph/images/products/image/PD2-056.jpg)

yup! that's it exactly. btw, nasa JB pati Lazer megamall ako kanina around 2-3PM, kung nagkasabay tayo sana tinapik mo lang ako or something hehe.. Kahit naman hindi ko personally kilala basta tanong tungkol sa drums lagi ako ready tumulong. :-D
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: iplaydrums4u on July 09, 2012, 11:30:08 PM
yup! that's it exactly. btw, nasa JB pati Lazer megamall ako kanina around 2-3PM, kung nagkasabay tayo sana tinapik mo lang ako or something hehe.. Kahit naman hindi ko personally kilala basta tanong tungkol sa drums lagi ako ready tumulong. :-D
salamat po sir riff nandun din po pala kayo haha. :D mga around 1-2 ako nandun. wala na ring ganyan sa lazer eh. so naisip ko po pumunta sa raon sa weekend. mayroon kaya nyan pati nung remo ambassador doon?
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Riff_6603 on July 10, 2012, 12:15:01 AM
salamat po sir riff nandun din po pala kayo haha. :D mga around 1-2 ako nandun. wala na ring ganyan sa lazer eh. so naisip ko po pumunta sa raon sa weekend. mayroon kaya nyan pati nung remo ambassador doon?

meron naman siguro. you could try ali mall cubao din, meron dun lazer pati nandun din salonga (JB music main) banda.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: iplaydrums4u on July 15, 2012, 02:07:57 PM
meron naman siguro. you could try ali mall cubao din, meron dun lazer pati nandun din salonga (JB music main) banda.
salamat po ulit sir riff
update: kagagaling ko lang raon. walang ambassador even ang manila music T_T
diretso ako ng ali mall. lazer wala rin nung heads na may tone control :(

san ba makakahanap. ano ba yan.. 2 linggo na ako naghahanap ,.walang mabili ni isang head
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: peeves24 on July 22, 2012, 10:57:10 PM
IDRUMTUNE!!!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7106/7621078624_8871c62afe_z.jpg)

i highly recommend this to everyone. it works great medyo mabagal lang kesa kung kaya mo magtono gamit tenga lang kasi hihintayin mo magdisplay yung frequency after nung hit. ang dali na mag fine tune later using idrumtune. this is great for toms...not so much for snares and kick drums because they are very personal, always follow your taste.

yun lang, kailangan mo ng ipod, ipad, iphone at $1.99
Title: Paano pagandahin ang Fernando?
Post by: MarkBarrera on July 30, 2012, 04:18:39 PM
Guys so mga 4 months na since I started drumming and bought by first drumset which is a normal Fernando. tas bumili ako ng b8 pro cymbals. Nagtono ng drums ko e yung teacher ko dati, taga yamaha siya pero ngayon di na ko naglelessons. So pano ko papagandahin tunog nito. Kaya ba sa tuning lang o kelangan na ng bagong heads? Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Paano pagandahin ang Fernando?
Post by: iplaydrums4u on July 31, 2012, 08:21:26 PM
Guys so mga 4 months na since I started drumming and bought by first drumset which is a normal Fernando. tas bumili ako ng b8 pro cymbals. Nagtono ng drums ko e yung teacher ko dati, taga yamaha siya pero ngayon di na ko naglelessons. So pano ko papagandahin tunog nito. Kaya ba sa tuning lang o kelangan na ng bagong heads? Thanks guys!

kung mejo tight pa budget, kaya naman sa tuning lang. (at konting muffling kung kinakailangan) :)
pero kung rich kid ka, then by all means, change the heads :bd
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: maki123 on July 31, 2012, 10:05:33 PM
pano po ittune ung toms na parang tunog metallica.. ung parang kay lars po..
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Akira JUMBO on August 28, 2012, 01:53:03 AM
New tuner in the market for those who does not have an Apple product to use the iDrumTune:

http://www.tune-bot.com/

Though imho the iDrumTune is a more practical tuner for the price as the TuneBot retails for $99.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Riff_6603 on August 28, 2012, 03:12:18 AM
pano po ittune ung toms na parang tunog metallica.. ung parang kay lars po..

use either remo pinstripe or emperor heads, tune both batter and reso at medium-low (few key turns past "wrinkled"). it should have attack pero may low end pa din.

New tuner in the market for those who does not have an Apple product to use the iDrumTune:

http://www.tune-bot.com/

Though imho the iDrumTune is a more practical tuner for the price as the TuneBot retails for $99.

great share! marami daw discrepancies sa readings ng tuning though according sa reviews online. I'd go buy it though if it were half the price! :lol:
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Akira JUMBO on August 28, 2012, 08:36:32 PM
great share! marami daw discrepancies sa readings ng tuning though according sa reviews online. I'd go buy it though if it were half the price! :lol:

My thoughts exactly Bro. I would suspect the price would settle somewhere around $75 after sometime.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: ZherVin12 on August 29, 2012, 12:08:56 PM
mga sir, what can you say about remo emperor X?.. san store po ba meron nito? ang lutong kasi ng tunog nya... :-D
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Riff_6603 on August 29, 2012, 09:51:08 PM
mga sir, what can you say about remo emperor X?.. san store po ba meron nito? ang lutong kasi ng tunog nya... :-D

Ok ang Emperor X kung gusto mo focused ang tunog ng snare mo (given the right tuning of course). Same head I have on my v.donati snare; medyo mahirap lang hanapin ang sweet spot, great tuning could be achieved around tight - med tight settings. Sa JB music ka makakabili nun. regards!
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: ZherVin12 on September 02, 2012, 10:54:29 PM
I have a 6 lug generic snare. Kung ikakabit ko ung emp x dun, magiging focused kaya ung tunog nya (given na tama ung tuning), and does the number of lugs really matter? :-D
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: killikillers on September 03, 2012, 12:44:45 AM
IDRUMTUNE!!!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7106/7621078624_8871c62afe_z.jpg)

i highly recommend this to everyone. it works great medyo mabagal lang kesa kung kaya mo magtono gamit tenga lang kasi hihintayin mo magdisplay yung frequency after nung hit. ang dali na mag fine tune later using idrumtune. this is great for toms...not so much for snares and kick drums because they are very personal, always follow your taste.

yun lang, kailangan mo ng ipod, ipad, iphone at $1.99

ayos to ah, hindi mo na kailangan bumili ng drumdial

nag search ako sa installous pero sadly, unavailable pa siya

per naka 1$ promo siya ngayon baka bumili ako bukas, na try mo na ba sa iphone to peeves?  sa tingin mo san mas maganda download? sa iphone or ipad? hindi ko kasi alam san ko siya download eh
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: killikillers on September 03, 2012, 12:50:21 AM
teka mukhang nasagot ko na tanong ko nung napanuod ko yung video  :lol:


download ako bukas  :)
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: banjoboy on September 12, 2012, 08:29:37 AM
I'm planning to buy the first upgrades to my all-stock Fernando kit. Due to budget limitations, eto lang po ang plano ko bilhin muna:

Sabian AAX cymbal set (14" hi-hat, 16" crash, 20" ride) - 12k ang asking price, brand new, with bag

Remo Clear Pinstripe Drumheads (for all toms)

Remo Coated Ambassador Drumheads (for snare)

Ano po palagay niyo mga master?

Should I change the reso too or pwede na muna yung stock reso ng Fernando?

Sabian AAX or Sabian B8?
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: gss on September 12, 2012, 11:18:38 AM
I'm planning to buy the first upgrades to my all-stock Fernando kit. Due to budget limitations, eto lang po ang plano ko bilhin muna:

Sabian AAX cymbal set (14" hi-hat, 16" crash, 20" ride) - 12k ang asking price, brand new, with bag

Remo Clear Pinstripe Drumheads (for all toms)

Remo Coated Ambassador Drumheads (for snare)

Ano po palagay niyo mga master?

Should I change the reso too or pwede na muna yung stock reso ng Fernando?

Sabian AAX or Sabian B8?

The Remos are a nice choice...for the cymbals, though OT, you may assess if the AAX will suit your type of music, and, make sure that these are true (orig) sabians, considering fake ones showed up recently here in the forum...the price seems too good to be true if they are indeed new ones AND with the bag, even new B8s may be already above this price range...

if they're really new orig sabians then grab them! it's a jackpot...hth
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: banjoboy on September 12, 2012, 12:27:32 PM
OT po...sorry...how will I know if the Sabians are original or fake?
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: gss on September 12, 2012, 02:27:19 PM
OT po...sorry...how will I know if the Sabians are original or fake?

try this thread - http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=269097.msg3624434#msg3624434

ok na to sir baka sitahin na tayo...i suggest you place your next post re sabians under the above thread... :-D good luck
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: banjoboy on September 12, 2012, 09:41:27 PM
 Salamat sa replies mga master. I went to JB Music sa Megamall to buy Remo Clear Pinstripes for the toms and the floor tom, unfortunately walang stock kaya Evans Clear EC2 nabili ko. I also got a Remo Coated Ambassador for my snare. Ang problema ko ngayon ay pagtotono. Baka may taga Pasig jan na pwede ako tulungan at turuan magtono? Tatanawin ko na malaking utang na loob. :-)
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Riff_6603 on September 13, 2012, 01:47:19 AM
Salamat sa replies mga master. I went to JB Music sa Megamall to buy Remo Clear Pinstripes for the toms and the floor tom, unfortunately walang stock kaya Evans Clear EC2 nabili ko. I also got a Remo Coated Ambassador for my snare. Ang problema ko ngayon ay pagtotono. Baka may taga Pasig jan na pwede ako tulungan at turuan magtono? Tatanawin ko na malaking utang na loob. :-)

I'm not from pasig but I could help you out in tuning your set. ok ka ng sat evening? may mini EB pa kasi ako pupuntahan ng hapon eh. PM me so we could talk about it in detail. regards!
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: banjoboy on September 15, 2012, 10:46:57 AM
I'm not from pasig but I could help you out in tuning your set. ok ka ng sat evening? may mini EB pa kasi ako pupuntahan ng hapon eh. PM me so we could talk about it in detail. regards!

Sir, salamat ulit sa offer mo. Next time na lang pag may problema na malupit.  :-D
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Riff_6603 on September 16, 2012, 11:17:09 AM
Sir, salamat ulit sa offer mo. Next time na lang pag may problema na malupit.  :-D

no prob! you know where to reach me naman just in case! congrats ulit! :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: banjoboy on September 16, 2012, 01:45:24 PM
Mga master, ano po magandang reso for bass drum and toms? Ang heads ng toms ko are clear Evans EC2's, tapos yung bass drum balak ko clear na Evans EMAD2 ang ikabit.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Riff_6603 on September 17, 2012, 10:26:45 PM
Mga master, ano po magandang reso for bass drum and toms? Ang heads ng toms ko are clear Evans EC2's, tapos yung bass drum balak ko clear na Evans EMAD2 ang ikabit.

for toms, you could NEVER go wrong with G1 clears. for the BD, you could opt to go with EMAD Reso's or EQ3 Reso's. not too sure if it's available locally though. nandyan naman si reims aka wireme for special orders though. :-D
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: banjoboy on September 18, 2012, 12:26:58 AM
for toms, you could NEVER go wrong with G1 clears. for the BD, you could opt to go with EMAD Reso's or EQ3 Reso's. not too sure if it's available locally though. nandyan naman si reims aka wireme for special orders though. :-D

JB Music has the EQ3 Reso's for the BD, but the only tom reso's they have (at least online) are Genera Reso's. Anyway, tawag na lang muna ako sa JB to ask what Evans reso's they have.

Thanks po!  :)
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: burog on November 21, 2012, 03:51:34 AM
I'm planning to change all my tom's heads - do I need to change the resos as well? This is the first time that I'll be changing my tom heads... thanks...
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Riff_6603 on November 21, 2012, 05:39:32 AM
I'm planning to change all my tom's heads - do I need to change the resos as well? This is the first time that I'll be changing my tom heads... thanks...

Great question! actually that depends on the sound that you're aiming for, as well as your allotted budget. if you're just looking at getting a decent sound out of your drums, changing the batters from the stock heads and retaining the resos could do you decent justice, given that you tune it fairly well. BUT, if you're looking for that studio quality tuning or a specific sound for that matter, then I suggest you better invest time and money in researching combinations apt for your drums and head preferences. Hope that helped out. Regards!
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: burog on November 21, 2012, 08:10:53 AM
Thanks Riff. I think I will keep my toms' resos for now and see what happens.  :-D
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Gep on January 12, 2013, 04:09:11 PM
Available at Lyric.  :razz:

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Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: bulok on January 12, 2013, 07:17:52 PM
How To Tune Your Toms - Quick & EASY w/ Rob Brown
How to Tune Your Bass Drum - Quick & EASY w/Rob Brown
How To Tune A Snare Drum: Perfect Sound in Less Than 2 Minutes w/Rob Brown
Title: Changing of Drum heads (for the 1st time)
Post by: ron12222 on January 12, 2013, 09:50:08 PM
mga sir kaylangan po ba both ang papalitan or yung batter head lang po mismo yung papalitan? kabibili ko lang kasi ng drum set heheheh! salamat mga boss! :-D
Title: Re: Changing of Drum heads (for the 1st time)
Post by: musicianurse28 on January 13, 2013, 10:42:09 AM
Batter head lang muna palitan mo sa Toms.. Pwede pa resonant head nun.. Sa Bass Drum naman pwede na rin stock head nya for the mean time.. Sa Snare naman maganda kung pareho mong papalitan..
Title: Re: Changing of Drum heads (for the 1st time)
Post by: ron12222 on January 13, 2013, 12:29:22 PM
hirap kasi itono yung floor tom.. suko na ko baka sa skin lang eh.. sonor smart force po kasi gamit ko kit.. thanks sa reply boss!!  :cute:
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Riff_6603 on January 13, 2013, 06:00:52 PM
Available at Lyric.  :razz:

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magkano gep?
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Gep on January 13, 2013, 06:26:07 PM
magkano gep?

P4,500. :)
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: karlwilson on January 13, 2013, 07:01:32 PM
great thread..  :)
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: greasykid on January 15, 2013, 11:37:52 AM
P4,500. :)

Not bad!  Syet GAS tuloy!  :-D
Title: Re: Changing of Drum heads (for the 1st time)
Post by: tipsyboy on January 18, 2013, 01:13:42 AM
hirap kasi itono yung floor tom.. suko na ko baka sa skin lang eh.. sonor smart force po kasi gamit ko kit.. thanks sa reply boss!!  :cute:

First, check the roundness of your tom. It's pretty hard to tune if a drum is out of round.
Second, get good batter and reso heads.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: bulok on January 24, 2013, 10:20:07 PM
sino naka-testing sa inyo ng LAZER-REMO ut heads made in taiwan? lalo na yung pinstripe tska yung snare contolled head nila?
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: iplaydrums4u on February 08, 2013, 09:01:28 PM
mga ser patulong naman. im using remo pinstripe on my 12 and 16 toms. ano bang tamang tightness ng reso at batter (relative to each other). gusto ko yung buong tunog (as much as possible no muffling) pero ayoko ng sobrang overtones.
salamat  :razz:
Title: Ano gamit niyo for drum tuning ?
Post by: errol_jhaymarasigan10 on March 11, 2013, 07:57:37 PM
Kasi when I tune my drums I always hear what I've been hear before .. any ideas using application ?
Title: Re: Ano gamit niyo for drum tuning ?
Post by: cokeandjahsmoke on March 12, 2013, 01:44:10 PM
Kasi when I tune my drums I always hear what I've been hear before .. any ideas using application ?

bro anong drum heads ba gamit mo? it depepends naman talaga sa nasanayan mng sound eh bastat ok yung sound sayo by ear ok na yun but try to remember kng saan mo gagamitin yung drums mo, kng sa open w/o mics, open w/ mics, studio w/ or w/o mics or recording coz it varies kasi...

but in general ito yung gamit ko for tuning
, try to view his other vids, medyo low yung nagustuhan ko na tune eh, it works sa live gigs, studio or even sa recording namin.. the only downside is mabilis mag detune yung heads kasi nga low yung tension so need mo pa memory lock para sa tension rods, but it works for me talaga at napapabilis ang tuning ko palagi if ibang drumkit gamit ko...

let me know what you think bro, but don't limit yourself sa ganito lng... try to experiment.. may Evans Torque Key din ako gamit before but now nagagamit ko nlng as a regular drum key..
Title: Re: Ano gamit niyo for drum tuning ?
Post by: dolfmen on March 12, 2013, 04:04:17 PM
Try nyo rin panoorin yung videos ni bob gatzen to get an idea on how to tune it.
Title: Re: Ano gamit niyo for drum tuning ?
Post by: jake z on March 13, 2013, 01:58:19 AM
Try nyo rin panoorin yung videos ni bob gatzen to get an idea on how to tune it.

Mismo. I remember meron pa akong videos nya on my ipod. From snares, toms and kick drum.
Good find and easy to understand yung videos nya.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: errol_jhaymarasigan10 on March 13, 2013, 07:55:17 PM
Ahhh ! @cokiee evans g2 gamit ko  since when i have my drum kit i practice in remo , then i conclude na mas pabor ako sa evans.. and nahihirapan ako mag tune by ear ..
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: musicianurse28 on March 14, 2013, 08:46:20 AM
Ahhh ! @cokiee evans g2 gamit ko  since when i have my drum kit i practice in remo , then i conclude na mas pabor ako sa evans.. and nahihirapan ako mag tune by ear ..

Naalala ko lang nung nagsisimula ako, parehong pareho tayo ng problema.. In the long run sir mapapractice mo rin yan.. Ear training kumbaga.. As long as naeexpose yung tenga mo lagi sa tunog ng drums, whether you watch youtube vids, gig, and concerts, mafafamiliarize niya yung desired sound na magugustuhan mo.. Nakakafrustrate na problema talaga ng mga drummer yan sir.. Tiwala lang sa pandinig ng tenga.. Akala naten kasi mahirap eh, hindi naman pala.. Try to experiment din such as adding mufflers or moongels.. Evans G2 Clears din gamit ko sa mga toms, i found it lovely! :-D
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Marl23 on March 16, 2013, 12:30:05 AM
ask ko lang po, anyone here tried PDP heads? any comparisons to it? it sells at P275 in a store near me, the same price as lazer heads.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: brokensticks on March 16, 2013, 08:09:13 PM
I like the pdp coated/clear head on my snare, 310 lang good quality naman. Gusto ko ung open and controlled ring
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: reinramirez on March 23, 2013, 01:43:13 PM
share ko lang, naisipan kong pihit pihitin yung snare dahil masyado nag riring at gumagalaw yung mga wires sa ilalim, nung binabalik ko na sa tono mejo nagkakaproblema na ako di ko na mabalik sa dating tunog, ginawa ko hindi ko ginamit drums ko ng 3 days...



paggamit ko kagabi ok na tunog sa pandinig ko haha, di ko alam kung namiss ko lang o tinanggap na ng tenga ko ang pagbabago, siguro di ko nga mababalk talaga sa dati dahil pinihit ko nga
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: rockman888 on March 24, 2013, 01:23:00 AM
sino naka-testing sa inyo ng LAZER-REMO ut heads made in taiwan? lalo na yung pinstripe tska yung snare contolled head nila?

Bumili ako ng 10,12,14  na LAZER REMO UT Pinstripe with Dimplomat UT at CS DOT Coated UT para sa snare with lazer resonant(naubusan ng HAZY UT).

Wide ang tuning range nila, madaling magtono, maganda ang tunog at presyo. Inabot ako ng 2.5k
 :)
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: rockman888 on March 24, 2013, 02:00:25 AM
ask ko lang po, anyone here tried PDP heads? any comparisons to it? it sells at P275 in a store near me, the same price as lazer heads.

Ok naman at kaya High Tuning.  Coated clear at Snare side thin ang binili ko. hanggang ngayon ok pa rin sila.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: aroma5A on March 28, 2013, 03:25:07 PM
Help po mga sir!!! San po ba nakakabili ng tension rod? Kasi bingkong na pala yung isang tension rod ng snare ko.  :cry: ehh iba din kasi yung tension rod nung generic kong snare. Help po please.  :cry:
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: jake z on March 28, 2013, 06:49:31 PM
Help po mga sir!!! San po ba nakakabili ng tension rod? Kasi bingkong na pala yung isang tension rod ng snare ko.  :cry: ehh iba din kasi yung tension rod nung generic kong snare. Help po please.  :cry:

Sorry bro, ano yung bingkong?
Anyways, when you mean tension rods,
Are you talking about the snare wires? Or lugs?

Snare wires are at the resonant head of the snare, kung yun lang hinahanap mo marami nun sa jb at lazer. Price depends on brand and how many wires would it have.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: aroma5A on March 28, 2013, 07:02:58 PM
Sorry bro, ano yung bingkong?
Anyways, when you mean tension rods,
Are you talking about the snare wires? Or lugs?

Snare wires are at the resonant head of the snare, kung yun lang hinahanap mo marami nun sa jb at lazer. Price depends on brand and how many wires would it have.

Ay sorry, tabingi po yung ibig sabihin ng bingkong.
Yung sa lugs po, sir. :cry: tabingi na po yung isa eh. :/ Kapag Pearl po ba, may exclusively made silang tension rod/bolts?
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: jake z on March 28, 2013, 07:46:39 PM
Ay sorry, tabingi po yung ibig sabihin ng bingkong.
Yung sa lugs po, sir. :cry: tabingi na po yung isa eh. :/ Kapag Pearl po ba, may exclusively made silang tension rod/bolts?

Yup, they have they're own tension rods.
Pero mahirap maghanap nyan bro, at medjo hindi friendly and price kasi per set yun.

I had a similar problem like that, pearl forum 14x6 snare missing a lug.

Sympre wala ko nahanap, or pre-order pa which is costly.
I ended up at lazer sm manila.
Yun nga lang, I had to replace the whole set.
But here's the catch, hindi fit yung screws ng us to china.
Much bigger yung us, so bibili ka pa ng screws.

Advise ko bro, kung hindi pearl yung mabibili mo, better bring the snare before you purchase para masukat mo.
Try to look din sa classifieds, malay mo maka chamba ka dun.

Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: aroma5A on March 28, 2013, 08:59:50 PM
Yup, they have they're own tension rods.
Pero mahirap maghanap nyan bro, at medjo hindi friendly and price kasi per set yun.

I had a similar problem like that, pearl forum 14x6 snare missing a lug.

Sympre wala ko nahanap, or pre-order pa which is costly.
I ended up at lazer sm manila.
Yun nga lang, I had to replace the whole set.
But here's the catch, hindi fit yung screws ng us to china.
Much bigger yung us, so bibili ka pa ng screws.

Advise ko bro, kung hindi pearl yung mabibili mo, better bring the snare before you purchase para masukat mo.
Try to look din sa classifieds, malay mo maka chamba ka dun.

Thanks for the tip, sir!!!

Mga magkano po inabot? Tas iba pa din po ba kapag Japan naman? Maybechabaygulay.  :cry:

Anyway, may nakita ako sa classifieds kaso, yun nga, as set: 28 pcs for 2800. Ang worry ko lang din po ay bukod sa per country, eh baka nagvavary din siya per model ng snare.  :cry:

Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: jake z on March 28, 2013, 11:35:53 PM
Thanks for the tip, sir!!!

Mga magkano po inabot? Tas iba pa din po ba kapag Japan naman? Maybechabaygulay.  :cry:

Anyway, may nakita ako sa classifieds kaso, yun nga, as set: 28 pcs for 2800. Ang worry ko lang din po ay bukod sa per country, eh baka nagvavary din siya per model ng snare.  :cry:

Yung generic, less than 500 lang sa lazer.

Pero try mo mag post sa classifieds or check the item first. Kung pearl to pearl, same size ng screws yun.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: aroma5A on March 29, 2013, 07:19:56 AM
Yung generic, less than 500 lang sa lazer.

Pero try mo mag post sa classifieds or check the item first. Kung pearl to pearl, same size ng screws yun.

Okay, sir! Thank you po!
Title: How do YOU get your perfect Bass drum sound?
Post by: thegame41 on April 01, 2013, 03:58:33 PM
what do you guys use to muffle your bass drum,? tricks like using gels,accessories, etc
no port/hole or with port/hole ??
advantages/disadvantages to this, or is this done just make it easier for the sound guy to mic/unmic'd your drum?
Title: Re: How do YOU get your perfect Bass drum sound?
Post by: jake z on April 01, 2013, 06:07:53 PM
what do you guys use to muffle your bass drum,? tricks like using gels,accessories, etc
no port/hole or with port/hole ??
advantages/disadvantages to this, or is this done just make it easier for the sound guy to mic/unmic'd your drum?

Dami factors and techniques about this.

For me, the recording kit that I was using has a hole on the resonant head, also contains heavy pillows to muffle sound. The studio was also using 2 mics, one just outside the hole and the other near the batter head.

Saw this set up here:
www.soundonsound.com/sos/1997_articles/dec97/drumiking1.html

The result was good, just a lil bit of reverb and that's it.
Title: Re: How do YOU get your perfect Bass drum sound?
Post by: skunkyfunk on April 01, 2013, 07:58:32 PM
If you would interview John Bonham, Simon Philips, Vinnie Paul, Lars Ulrich and Aaron Spears, you would get different answers.
Title: Re: How do YOU get your perfect Bass drum sound?
Post by: makinao on April 01, 2013, 08:33:03 PM
MY setup for the past 5 years:
22X14 Pearl Thunderking
Ambassador coated batter and reso, no hole, medium to high tension
At home: cloth strip (2" wide, from 11 oclock to 7 oclock) on batter
At church: cloth strip (2" wide, from 11 oclock to 7 oclock) on batter and reso
Title: Re: How do YOU get your perfect Bass drum sound?
Post by: music_en_sound on April 01, 2013, 11:56:09 PM
for me, medium to loose tension on batter and medium to tight on reso with or w/o hole on reso, with or w/o mic and for indoor or in open ground set up.... my preferd bass drum tuning.
Title: Re: How do YOU get your perfect Bass drum sound?
Post by: yekoz on April 02, 2013, 11:49:19 AM
REMO (Powersonic on Batter medium to tight) and (any Reso with 5" hole medium to tight). good tuning is must. 8-)

will add Kickport(for Obese or Fat sound) and check the output. 8-)
Title: Re: How do YOU get your perfect Bass drum sound?
Post by: hi-def on April 03, 2013, 06:16:19 PM
Get the Evans Emad or Remo power stroke pro. even without pillows inside they sound great. considering you tune them correctly :)
Title: Re: How do YOU get your perfect Bass drum sound?
Post by: jake z on April 03, 2013, 07:30:23 PM
Get the Evans Emad or Remo power stroke pro. even without pillows inside they sound great. considering you tune them correctly :)

"Considering you tune them correctly" how can you tune them correctly?

That will be the hardest part, we don't have the same taste when it comes to tuning.

Title: Re: How do YOU get your perfect Bass drum sound?
Post by: thegame41 on April 03, 2013, 08:38:06 PM
Get the Evans Emad or Remo power stroke pro. even without pillows inside they sound great. considering you tune them correctly :)
maganda ba yung powersonic?
Title: Re: How do YOU get your perfect Bass drum sound?
Post by: yekoz on April 05, 2013, 09:23:24 AM
maganda ba yung powersonic?

It dampens the batter head with 3 concentric foams, IMHO pillow should be used for sleeping... he he he... 8-)
Title: Re: How do YOU get your perfect Bass drum sound?
Post by: jake z on April 05, 2013, 10:03:23 AM
pillow should be used for sleeping... he he he... 8-)

+1000
Title: Tips on getting the Low or Deep sound of your Floor toms
Post by: yekoz on April 10, 2013, 03:22:48 PM
Hi all,

    Just made a trial and error last saturday and just configuring and experimenting on my floor toms and stumble upon this. I was looking for a better sound of my 16" floor and tom.

     Tried hanging it by using ISS mount it sound great but it needs a better mount it always fall. Then I reversed the Floor tom legs i.e. instead of the usual setup I tried reversing it. The lock of the floor tom leg is now near the batter head, the usual is that the floor tom leg is near at the resonant head.

To Mods, kindly transfer it my thread is not okay...

Warm regards,
Yekoz
Title: Re: Tips on getting the Low or Deep sound of your Floor toms
Post by: inigo on April 10, 2013, 04:27:44 PM
How was your experimentation with heads and tuning combinations?
Title: Re: Tips on getting the Low or Deep sound of your Floor toms
Post by: makinao on April 10, 2013, 05:32:25 PM
1) try the Pearl Air Suspension Feet. They make a major difference. It adds resonance and sustain.

2) Try tuning your heads higher. Instead of just a dry thud from a loose head, the higher fundamental and harmonics will help make the sound more audible, and will project better. It might not sound "low" from the drivers seat, but it usually does from the audience and with close-mikes.
Title: Re: Tips on getting the Low or Deep sound of your Floor toms
Post by: yekoz on April 10, 2013, 05:39:46 PM
1) try the Pearl Air Suspension Feet. They make a major difference. It adds resonance and sustain.

2) Try tuning your heads higher. Instead of just a dry thud from a loose head, the higher fundamental and harmonics will help make the sound more audible, and will project better. It might not sound "low" from the drivers seat, but it usually does from the audience and with close-mikes.

will try both 1 and 2.

tuning is both medium for batter and reso (using pinstripe as batter and ambassador as reso)
Title: Re: Tips on getting the Low or Deep sound of your Floor toms
Post by: skunkyfunk on April 10, 2013, 08:14:39 PM
When you say 'deep', do you mean SLAPPY floor tom sounds (almost like thud) or THUNDEROUS floor tom sounds?

From experience, here's what I found out:

1.  The thicker the batter head, the  wider the low tuning range.
2.  In general, coated heads sound warmer, clear heads sound more 'scooped'.
3.  For the reso side, lowering the tuning can give a more open but lower tone.  If the reso head is tuned looser than the batter, it gives you a deeper sound (but less punch).
4.  Tuning the reso head tighter than the batter gives a perceived higher pitch but actually gives just more punch to the sound.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: iamkm18 on August 07, 2013, 10:46:29 PM
help naman. nag restore ako ng generic metal snare, painted it and bought new batter head,remo encore coated ambassador and new gibraltar snare wire 20 strands. ano kayang magandang  reso para makuha ung gusto kong tunog na "pak". parang tunog na gamit ni vic mercado. and magkano kaya ang pinaka murang throw off kasi parang masisira narin sya.
Title: help : How do you Tune your drumset
Post by: ronald_rko on October 13, 2013, 11:39:08 AM
Hi guys, my friend recently bought a yamaha drumset we are not satisfy with its sound
the 1st owner bought it 2 yrs ago and didnt used it for almost 1 year..
does it affects the tunning and sound

please help us with your expertise :))
 
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Riff_6603 on October 17, 2013, 02:32:17 AM
help naman. nag restore ako ng generic metal snare, painted it and bought new batter head,remo encore coated ambassador and new gibraltar snare wire 20 strands. ano kayang magandang  reso para makuha ung gusto kong tunog na "pak". parang tunog na gamit ni vic mercado. and magkano kaya ang pinaka murang throw off kasi parang masisira narin sya.

not to sound rude but a generic snare wouldn't do much as to achieve your desired sound whatsoever. OK na yung ginawa mo na bumili ka ng piyesa. you could opt to buy a second hand mid-end snare, preferably maple or birch (madami sa classifieds na pearl or tama) then use the parts that you bought to upgrade the stock parts. Believe me, ginawa ko din yan noon, I ended up buying a better snare instead. trust me it's worth it.

Hi guys, my friend recently bought a yamaha drumset we are not satisfy with its sound
the 1st owner bought it 2 yrs ago and didnt used it for almost 1 year..
does it affects the tunning and sound

please help us with your expertise :))
 

It shouldn't unless nabasa or nainitan masyado yung drums per se (if nakastore sa bodega or something). anything that might affect the drum's material, be it the shells, heads, hardware, etc. makaka-affect yun. if OK pa naman lahat, then a proper tuning should do the trick.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: ronald_rko on November 02, 2013, 01:09:20 PM
It shouldn't unless nabasa or nainitan masyado yung drums per se (if nakastore sa bodega or something). anything that might affect the drum's material, be it the shells, heads, hardware, etc. makaka-affect yun. if OK pa naman lahat, then a proper tuning should do the trick.

hmm.. loosen po kasi ung mga heads, di ako marunong mag tune..
pano po ba mgtune ng resonant at batter head (which should be more tight)
gnun

THANKS PO  :)
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Riff_6603 on November 05, 2013, 06:06:06 AM
hmm.. loosen po kasi ung mga heads, di ako marunong mag tune..
pano po ba mgtune ng resonant at batter head (which should be more tight)
gnun

THANKS PO  :)

depende sa sound na habol mo at sa combination ng heads mo ang pagtune. care to define anong meron ka now and sound na hanap mo? ano pala model ng yammie's mo?
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: ronald_rko on November 15, 2013, 11:02:46 PM
hmm kahit mga sound ng parokya or silent sanctuary xD gigmaker po siya maple set standard sizes po hehe..
hirap po kasi ako sumunod sa mga tutorial sa youtube, any suggestion po on how to tune it?
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Riff_6603 on November 16, 2013, 04:54:05 AM
hmm kahit mga sound ng parokya or silent sanctuary xD gigmaker po siya maple set standard sizes po hehe..
hirap po kasi ako sumunod sa mga tutorial sa youtube, any suggestion po on how to tune it?

I believe your aiming to get a pretty decent yet general sound, You could opt to check Bob Gatzen's instructionals on Youtube. madaling maintindihan yung mga videos niya quite frankly. Not really one to burst your bubble, but Gigmakers aren't maple. :-D
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: harugrugrug on November 18, 2013, 04:40:13 PM
anu ba logic ng powersonic ng remo? hehe,kumuha ako but didn't install it,hehe.tama kasi ako magmuffle sa luob. parang may smiley face yung skin,hehe
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Riff_6603 on November 20, 2013, 10:29:08 PM
anu ba logic ng powersonic ng remo? hehe,kumuha ako but didn't install it,hehe.tama kasi ako magmuffle sa luob. parang may smiley face yung skin,hehe

Nakapowersonic ako sa set ko. I get more attack and tone control out of it depending on how I set it up. Mas resounding and focused yung tone kapag di nakakakabit yung clip-on muffler pero mas may attack yung sound kapag nakakabit na. Talo lang kapag vented ang head mo, kahit naka kickport plakda pa din ang sound.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: harugrugrug on November 21, 2013, 03:51:27 PM
Nakapowersonic ako sa set ko. I get more attack and tone control out of it depending on how I set it up. Mas resounding and focused yung tone kapag di nakakakabit yung clip-on muffler pero mas may attack yung sound kapag nakakabit na. Talo lang kapag vented ang head mo, kahit naka kickport plakda pa din ang sound.

haha! tama nga gut feeling ko,kasi natira sa jb mga vented na reso skins,sabi ko aantay na lang ako ng walang butas na skin,hehe,salamat!  anung bass mo pala tito riff? hehe.angkop kaya skin ko para sa maple mahogany 10 ply? :idea:
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Riff_6603 on November 21, 2013, 11:09:31 PM
haha! tama nga gut feeling ko,kasi natira sa jb mga vented na reso skins,sabi ko aantay na lang ako ng walang butas na skin,hehe,salamat!  anung bass mo pala tito riff? hehe.angkop kaya skin ko para sa maple mahogany 10 ply? :idea:

sa 22 incher na poor man's maple siya nakakabit. mas OK sa reference yun lalo warm and round yung combo ng kahoy mo. Orgasmic talaga yung set mo. :drool:
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: harugrugrug on November 21, 2013, 11:23:22 PM
sa 22 incher na poor man's maple siya nakakabit. mas OK sa reference yun lalo warm and round yung combo ng kahoy mo. Orgasmic talaga yung set mo. :drool:

hehe,nakatabi pa siya sa kanto ng kwarto ko,di pa buo,nagaantay pa ng spare parts,hehe,if i know malupit set mo,may rocket toms pa,hehe. :-o salamat bro! :cry:
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: denzana on December 02, 2013, 10:36:52 PM
Hello there Drum Masters! :wave:

I have a Sonor 507 standard set, and i am planning to replace the stock heads of my toms, as much as possible i would like to get a great sound without putting on muffler rings any recommendations and advice for me  :? Budget would be around 2K.Thanks in advance! :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on December 03, 2013, 12:14:42 PM
Hello there Drum Masters! :wave:

I have a Sonor 507 standard set, and i am planning to replace the stock heads of my toms, as much as possible i would like to get a great sound without putting on muffler rings any recommendations and advice for me  :? Budget would be around 2K.Thanks in advance! :mrgreen:


Brother man! kung pang bahay siya and gusto mo lang bawasan yung Overtones niya, (aka yung tunog "atiatihan"), siguro I'd suggest you replace them with two-ply heads/hydraulic heads. :) with these heads kasi, minimal, if not none existent na halos yung overtones. :)

sa budget mo, pwede mong itry palitan yung heads mo nung LAZER na 2ply heads. i think kasya sa budget mo yun :) baka swertehin ka pa, may mga REMO Encore din sila dun for cheap. :) try mo lang din dumaan :)
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: kimpoy19 on December 11, 2013, 08:30:04 PM
Hello there Drum Masters! :wave:

I have a Sonor 507 standard set, and i am planning to replace the stock heads of my toms, as much as possible i would like to get a great sound without putting on muffler rings any recommendations and advice for me  :? Budget would be around 2K.Thanks in advance! :mrgreen:

Uhm... Try 2ply batter head sa lazer. If may kaunti pang cash, try mo magpalit ng reso. :-D
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: denzana on December 11, 2013, 10:36:26 PM

Brother man! kung pang bahay siya and gusto mo lang bawasan yung Overtones niya, (aka yung tunog "atiatihan"), siguro I'd suggest you replace them with two-ply heads/hydraulic heads. :) with these heads kasi, minimal, if not none existent na halos yung overtones. :)

sa budget mo, pwede mong itry palitan yung heads mo nung LAZER na 2ply heads. i think kasya sa budget mo yun :) baka swertehin ka pa, may mga REMO Encore din sila dun for cheap. :) try mo lang din dumaan :)

Sir!I'll try this one, yes nagtanong tanong din ako about sa suggestions mo and i did get a lot of good feedbacks about it. just a quick questionm what brand will that be?remo or something generic?anyway, i'll try and go and purchase it as soon as possible. Many THANKS! :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: denzana on December 11, 2013, 10:37:13 PM
Uhm... Try 2ply batter head sa lazer. If may kaunti pang cash, try mo magpalit ng reso. :-D

Definetely going to try it. Thanks for the info! :)
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on December 12, 2013, 11:51:02 AM
Sir!I'll try this one, yes nagtanong tanong din ako about sa suggestions mo and i did get a lot of good feedbacks about it. just a quick questionm what brand will that be?remo or something generic?anyway, i'll try and go and purchase it as soon as possible. Many THANKS! :mrgreen:


Hello Bro! LAZER carries their own Drumheads tagged with the LAZER Brand Names, and they also Carry Remo Encores (Remo Encores are the budget friendly, entry level heads made by remo for the economical market).

As far as I know sir, LAZER Drum Heads are supplied by REMO ENCORE as well. yung mga nabili ko kasing LAZER Heads for my friends kit, may tatak na rin ng REMO Encore sa baba eh :D

Kung talagang ayaw mo nung Overtones, bili ka na rin ng O-ring Mufflers! :D

Hope this helps bro!
Title: Meron ba dito naging successful sa pag tune ng generic snare reso head?
Post by: brandey on December 17, 2013, 07:47:09 PM
A week ago bumili ako ng lazer snare reso to replace a broken one (Pearl stock). Pumili ako nung pinaka pantay yung pagkaka-kabit ng skin sa rim. Napansin ko lang na laging bumababa yung tension niya everyday nung kinabit ko. Proper naman ang pag seat ko at hindi naman high tension ang ginagawa ko. Hanggang ngayong umaga bumigay na yung isang side niya. Hindi naman napunit. pero sobrang stretched na yung isang side. Lagpas na sa drum hoop yung skin.

Hindi naman drums ang main instrument ko kaya hindi pasok sa budget yung mga branded reso heads. Libangan ko lang sa bahay.

Tanong ko lang kung possible ba na may usable na generic reso head? May specific generic brand ba akong dapat bilhin?
Title: Re: Meron ba dito naging successful sa pag tune ng generic snare reso head?
Post by: makinao on December 17, 2013, 11:37:18 PM
You get what you pay for.
Title: Re: Meron ba dito naging successful sa pag tune ng generic snare reso head?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on December 18, 2013, 12:23:03 PM


Sir, as far as I have experienced, wala pa naman akong nararanasang Snare Reso Head na nagstretch or nadeform kasi usually naman, maluwag tayo sa reso lagi. Mapa-lazer or remo, so far naman no bad experiences.

pwede ring nasa tuning method niyo din sir? try buying the REMO UT or Encore heads sa lazer and re-tune your snare again. if this happens again sir baka nasa tuning method niyo po.

pag hindi naman po, baka lemon lang talaga yung nakuha niyong lazer head. minsan hit or miss talga sila eh.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: reinramirez on February 17, 2014, 08:50:25 AM
good day mga chif, kahapon napadaan ako ng jb bago umuwi galing binyag, napabili ako ng remo ambassador clear(wlang makitang coated) para sa snare(impluse buy i admit may amats kasi)


pero nung nakabit ko paguwi ko takte ang sarap sa tenga kaysa dun sa kasamang remo china nung drumset, kahit kaninang umaga na wala na akong amats maganda talaga sa pandinig ko kahit alam kong mali pa ang tono nun haha.

ngayon nangangate akong palitan lahat ng heads ng tom at reso nung snare, ano ba marerecommend nyo? ito naiisip ko

snare emperor batter na,  ambassador snare side 3mil
toms emperor batter, ambassador standard 10mil



bass drum head no idea pero saka na siguro




di ko pa sure kung ano gusto kong tunog since di panaman ako magaling, gusto ko lang yung pinaka standard na setup ng karamihan.

salamat ng marami, btw cheapo fernando drums lang gamit ko if that matters sa selection, thanks ulit!




Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on February 17, 2014, 09:52:52 AM
good day mga chif, kahapon napadaan ako ng jb bago umuwi galing binyag, napabili ako ng remo ambassador clear(wlang makitang coated) para sa snare(impluse buy i admit may amats kasi)


pero nung nakabit ko paguwi ko takte ang sarap sa tenga kaysa dun sa kasamang remo china nung drumset, kahit kaninang umaga na wala na akong amats maganda talaga sa pandinig ko kahit alam kong mali pa ang tono nun haha.

ngayon nangangate akong palitan lahat ng heads ng tom at reso nung snare, ano ba marerecommend nyo? ito naiisip ko

snare emperor batter na,  ambassador snare side 3mil
toms emperor batter, ambassador standard 10mil



bass drum head no idea pero saka na siguro




di ko pa sure kung ano gusto kong tunog since di panaman ako magaling, gusto ko lang yung pinaka standard na setup ng karamihan.

salamat ng marami, btw cheapo fernando drums lang gamit ko if that matters sa selection, thanks ulit!








So far so good naman sa head choices bro, pero for the toms, you might wanna consider yung REMO PINSTRIPE. tapos mas manipis ng onti na reso para mas humihinga yung toms mo :)

for the Bassdrum, PowerStroke3 siguro sir. :)

Yung sa snare naman, Emperors are great for snares, lalo na yung coated, pero keep in mind bawas ang overtones niya, so pag sa open venue mo siya gagamitin, magtutunog dead siya. so, you might want to look at the Remo Coated Controlled Sound (Reverse Dot) makapal, pero hindi naman sobra :)

two cents langs sir :)
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: reinramirez on February 17, 2014, 11:06:37 AM


So far so good naman sa head choices bro, pero for the toms, you might wanna consider yung REMO PINSTRIPE. tapos mas manipis ng onti na reso para mas humihinga yung toms mo :)

for the Bassdrum, PowerStroke3 siguro sir. :)

Yung sa snare naman, Emperors are great for snares, lalo na yung coated, pero keep in mind bawas ang overtones niya, so pag sa open venue mo siya gagamitin, magtutunog dead siya. so, you might want to look at the Remo Coated Controlled Sound (Reverse Dot) makapal, pero hindi naman sobra :)

two cents langs sir :)

Thanks chif, sa reso ng toms ambassador na yung 10mil(na batter ng snare) or meron kang specific na marerecommend?
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on February 17, 2014, 11:19:30 AM
Thanks chif, sa reso ng toms ambassador na yung 10mil(na batter ng snare) or meron kang specific na marerecommend?

Mas manipis sana papi. para mas mag ring yung toms. :)
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: reinramirez on February 17, 2014, 11:23:49 AM
Mas manipis sana papi. para mas mag ring yung toms. :)

ah para kasing ang nakikita ko lang sa remo ambassadors eh 10ply, 3ply saka yung isang klase na 2ply, di kaya masyado manipis yung 3ply?

btw clear na emperor yung nasa snare, pero nasa bahay lang naman yun sarado pa kwarto kaya ikot na ikot yung tunog
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on February 17, 2014, 11:39:59 AM
ah para kasing ang nakikita ko lang sa remo ambassadors eh 10ply, 3ply saka yung isang klase na 2ply, di kaya masyado manipis yung 3ply?

btw clear na emperor yung nasa snare, pero nasa bahay lang naman yun sarado pa kwarto kaya ikot na ikot yung tunog


Mil ata yung sinasabi mo bro, ply means layer so kung ten ply yun, wala na, pwede na gawing pinggan yun hahaha! :) anyway, mas okay talaga sa reso ang manipis bro. 3Mil sounds good. tapos thick batters parang emperor, pinstripe at powerstrokes. :)
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: reinramirez on February 17, 2014, 01:34:40 PM

Mil ata yung sinasabi mo bro, ply means layer so kung ten ply yun, wala na, pwede na gawing pinggan yun hahaha! :) anyway, mas okay talaga sa reso ang manipis bro. 3Mil sounds good. tapos thick batters parang emperor, pinstripe at powerstrokes. :)

haha sorry i got mixed up, MIL yun dapat angkapal nga nun kung 10ply,

PERO

papalitan ko muna ng coated emperor yung snare saka ambasador hazy reso para masubukan ko kung ok din sya, yung ambs clear ilagay ko muna sa tom masubukan muna yung tunog. salamat ulit

Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on February 17, 2014, 03:01:50 PM
haha sorry i got mixed up, MIL yun dapat angkapal nga nun kung 10ply,

PERO

papalitan ko muna ng coated emperor yung snare saka ambasador hazy reso para masubukan ko kung ok din sya, yung ambs clear ilagay ko muna sa tom masubukan muna yung tunog. salamat ulit




maganda yang Emperor + Hazy Combination :D I think you will like that :D
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: st_anger on February 17, 2014, 09:30:51 PM
Any thoughts on Aquarian's power trio?  :)
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: reinramirez on February 18, 2014, 08:43:15 AM
sayang wlang coated emperor sa jb fairview, hazy lang na clear nabili ko(wla ring coated kaya nawiwirdohan tuloy ako kita ko na yung snare stand  :eek: )

yung sa tunog di ko ma explain pero gustong gusto ko sya, tapos kada pihit nag iiba yung tono kung ano gusto ko, hindi katulad ng una parang 1 settings lang, ngayon marami nang setting magaganda pa sa tenga.

kaso ganun pala talaga yun, nagkabit ako sa salas namin, pagpasok ko sa kwarto nag adjust ulit ako malaki pala tlga epekto ng kwarto sa maririnig mo, open kasi yung salas while yung kwarto wala maski bintana, pintuan lang na may konting sound proofing
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on February 18, 2014, 09:49:57 AM
sayang wlang coated emperor sa jb fairview, hazy lang na clear nabili ko(wla ring coated kaya nawiwirdohan tuloy ako kita ko na yung snare stand  :eek: )

yung sa tunog di ko ma explain pero gustong gusto ko sya, tapos kada pihit nag iiba yung tono kung ano gusto ko, hindi katulad ng una parang 1 settings lang, ngayon marami nang setting magaganda pa sa tenga.

kaso ganun pala talaga yun, nagkabit ako sa salas namin, pagpasok ko sa kwarto nag adjust ulit ako malaki pala tlga epekto ng kwarto sa maririnig mo, open kasi yung salas while yung kwarto wala maski bintana, pintuan lang na may konting sound proofing

Exactly brother man, Like I said earlier, the sound will change depending on the venue variables (i.e. Open Venues, Small Room, Halls, etc.) so you have to consider that when you're replacing your drum heads.

So, nagustuhan mo yung Hazy as reso? :D


wala talagang coated emperor jan kay JB, pwede ka magpaorder pero nasa 1.5k - 1.8k as far as I recall. =))
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on February 18, 2014, 09:55:45 AM
Any thoughts on Aquarian's power trio?  :)


Hey man, The Power Trio is a set of Aquarian Triple Threat (Snare), Force Ten (Toms), Super Kick-10). So far, I've heard the Triple Threat and Force Ten.

my thoughts on these are:

Triple Threat = Remo Emperor X Coated
Force Ten = Remo Pinstripes


Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: reinramirez on February 18, 2014, 09:59:14 AM
Exactly brother man, Like I said earlier, the sound will change depending on the venue variables (i.e. Open Venues, Small Room, Halls, etc.) so you have to consider that when you're replacing your drum heads.

So, nagustuhan mo yung Hazy as reso? :D


wala talagang coated emperor jan kay JB, pwede ka magpaorder pero nasa 1.5k - 1.8k as far as I recall. =))

yep, me gusta  :mrgreen:, mukang magiging wierd lahat tingnan kung walng coated na heads para sa toms, isa isahin ko nlng palitan para makabisado ko tunog at kaibahan, ayaw ko munang bumalik ng jb baka mapakaskas ng cymbal mahirap na masisira budget :cry:

ngapala, gusto ko ng malinis na "pak" yng parang pinupukpok na kahoy,  3-4 full turns past finger tight yung ginawa ko sa batter, mga 2-3 naman sa reso katakot bka mapunit. yung wire hinigpitan ko ng husto hirap nnga i lock. hindi ko pa na eexperimentohan masyado kagabi, hays hirap ng malayo ang bahay hindi maenjoy ang hilig
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on February 18, 2014, 10:16:54 AM
yep, me gusta  :mrgreen:, mukang magiging wierd lahat tingnan kung walng coated na heads para sa toms, isa isahin ko nlng palitan para makabisado ko tunog at kaibahan, ayaw ko munang bumalik ng jb baka mapakaskas ng cymbal mahirap na masisira budget :cry:

ngapala, gusto ko ng malinis na "pak" yng parang pinupukpok na kahoy,  3-4 full turns past finger tight yung ginawa ko sa batter, mga 2-3 naman sa reso katakot bka mapunit. yung wire hinigpitan ko ng husto hirap nnga i lock. hindi ko pa na eexperimentohan masyado kagabi, hays hirap ng malayo ang bahay hindi maenjoy ang hilig

Told you :D hahahaha love the Hazy Reso! hahaha!

Hmmmm... ano bang specs nung snare mo? Size, Depth, shell material?
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: reinramirez on February 18, 2014, 11:01:03 AM
Told you :D hahahaha love the Hazy Reso! hahaha!

Hmmmm... ano bang specs nung snare mo? Size, Depth, shell material?

yung standard 14 ng fernando
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on February 18, 2014, 11:48:13 AM
yung standard 14 ng fernando


Steel?
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: reinramirez on February 18, 2014, 11:55:43 AM

Steel?

ganito sya chif

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kulay black lng
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on February 18, 2014, 11:58:58 AM
ganito sya chif

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kulay black lng

Ah okay, so wood siya.

Ayaw mo ng alingawngaw na tunog bakal? (Overtones)

gusto mo as in solid PAK lang? parang tunog ng drums ng itchyworms? :D

sample artist papi para matancha natin.

pero just so you know, limited lang ang tuning capabilities ng snare mo. never expect a picolo sound from a 14 x 5.5 snare. :D lalo na kung 6 lugger lang. pero tingnan natin, sinong artist ba ang gusto mo makuha? :D
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: reinramirez on February 18, 2014, 12:06:00 PM
Ah okay, so wood siya.

Ayaw mo ng alingawngaw na tunog bakal? (Overtones)

gusto mo as in solid PAK lang? parang tunog ng drums ng itchyworms? :D

sample artist papi para matancha natin.

pero just so you know, limited lang ang tuning capabilities ng snare mo. never expect a picolo sound from a 14 x 5.5 snare. :D lalo na kung 6 lugger lang. pero tingnan natin, sinong artist ba ang gusto mo makuha? :D

ah picolo nga siguro un, pero hanggat kaya nung snare susubukan ko hehe, salamat ng marami chif, gusto ko yung sa tunog ng join the club - nobela

Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on February 18, 2014, 12:18:21 PM
ah picolo nga siguro un, pero hanggat kaya nung snare susubukan ko hehe, salamat ng marami chif, gusto ko yung sa tunog ng join the club - nobela




Hihi... sakto good friend ko drummer nila  hahahaha!
Anyway, mejo mahihirapan ka makuha yung sound na yun brother kasi una sa lahat, makapal ang drumhead na gamit mo ngayon. Usually Ambassadors yung ginagamit niya eh (with proper muffling) and also, tuning wise, mahihirapan ka makuha yun kasi 6 lugger ang snare mo. what you can do, is to use an ambassador, try a tight tuning on the Batter (Top) and a semi tight reso (bottom), then muffle appropriately using moongel or duct tape.

Brian uses a Sonor Force 13X6 Birch Snare  or a Joey Jordison Signature 13 x 6.5 Power Picolo.

Both ambassador heads, pero yung sonor, semi tight lang yung batter tapos muffled. Yung JJ cranked. as in tight talaga.

Hope this helps sir.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: reinramirez on February 18, 2014, 12:36:01 PM

Hihi... sakto good friend ko drummer nila  hahahaha!
Anyway, mejo mahihirapan ka makuha yung sound na yun brother kasi una sa lahat, makapal ang drumhead na gamit mo ngayon. Usually Ambassadors yung ginagamit niya eh (with proper muffling) and also, tuning wise, mahihirapan ka makuha yun kasi 6 lugger ang snare mo. what you can do, is to use an ambassador, try a tight tuning on the Batter (Top) and a semi tight reso (bottom), then muffle appropriately using moongel or duct tape.

Brian uses a Sonor Force 13X6 Birch Snare  or a Joey Jordison Signature 13 x 6.5 Power Picolo.

Both ambassador heads, pero yung sonor, semi tight lang yung batter tapos muffled. Yung JJ cranked. as in tight talaga.

Hope this helps sir.

wow nice, laking tulong nito chif salamat ng marami, nga pala line 6 spider iv user din ako hehe, kaso mas mahal ko pumalo kaysa kumaskas, gitarista lang namin natutuwang mag experimento dun
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on February 18, 2014, 01:41:12 PM
wow nice, laking tulong nito chif salamat ng marami, nga pala line 6 spider iv user din ako hehe, kaso mas mahal ko pumalo kaysa kumaskas, gitarista lang namin natutuwang mag experimento dun


Welcome bro hahahaha

OT: Don't get me wrong, the Line6 Spider IV is great solidstate amp. pero yung claim kasi nung guy na yan sa sig ko eh, panis daw ang Dual Rectifier dun. HAHAHAHA #whatisnakakatawa
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: reinramirez on February 18, 2014, 01:45:27 PM

Welcome bro hahahaha

OT: Don't get me wrong, the Line6 Spider IV is great solidstate amp. pero yung claim kasi nung guy na yan sa sig ko eh, panis daw ang Dual Rectifier dun. HAHAHAHA #whatisnakakatawa

OT : naman, bka di pa nga nakarinig ng Dual Rectifier + Good player,

Non OT, lilipat ako sa mas malawak  lugar sa bahay gagawing bodega yung kwarto ko, dun sa lilipatan ko open sya at malawak, tiles yung sahig kaya ayaw ko dun nakakainis yung tunog, ayaw ko naman mag carpet tamad ako mag linis

Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on February 18, 2014, 02:02:31 PM
OT : naman, bka di pa nga nakarinig ng Dual Rectifier + Good player,

Non OT, lilipat ako sa mas malawak  lugar sa bahay gagawing bodega yung kwarto ko, dun sa lilipatan ko open sya at malawak, tiles yung sahig kaya ayaw ko dun nakakainis yung tunog, ayaw ko naman mag carpet tamad ako mag linis




Pwedeng rubber matting bro. laking tulong nun. pwede ka kumuha sa gawaan ng sapatos or yung parang puzzle na ABC na kinokonnect. hahaha hope this helps :)
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: st_anger on February 18, 2014, 09:57:10 PM

Hey man, The Power Trio is a set of Aquarian Triple Threat (Snare), Force Ten (Toms), Super Kick-10). So far, I've heard the Triple Threat and Force Ten.

my thoughts on these are:

Triple Threat = Remo Emperor X Coated
Force Ten = Remo Pinstripes

Thanks bro.. I wanna try the power trio hehe
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on February 19, 2014, 09:36:53 AM
Thanks bro.. I wanna try the power trio hehe

Let me know if it has a major difference against the REMO and EVANS Counterpards.
I used the Triple Threat and the Force Ten for just a while in the studio lang eh, never got to use them long enough to appreciate them hence the quick comparison :D
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: reinramirez on February 22, 2014, 09:56:54 AM
nakapalo din ng matagal tagal kanina, anlakas nga lunod na lunod sa tunog ng snare yung bass drum at toms.
Title: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: sonicassault on June 02, 2014, 02:41:34 PM
I bought an old Yamaha Gigmaker kit from an old friend two years ago. He barely touched the kit, didn't even let the free Sabian B8 ride out of the package. Anyway, the kit was nice, just light scuffs on the heads, though the high tom's inside bolts got rusty because of humidity. Random instances of white mould, but everything was in great shape.

Cleaned and set it up properly when I got back home. The kick sounded nice, the snare was okay, and the floor tom sounded amazing! The only problem really was the 12x9 and 13x9.5 rack toms. They just make this really dull-sounding boing/thud. It sounds like the heads (batter-reso) were canceling each other's sound. I tuned both the batter and reso to the same pitch - it worked really well with the FT, but not with the RTs.

A year later, I got some cash to change the heads, so I dismantled and cleaned the whole shebang, kept the stock Ambassador resos and slapped on some new G2 clears. Aside from the darker tone, it's still the same boing/thud. I decided to just remove the resos, remembering how I played some awesome sounding concert toms. Still a damn boing/thud, but a bit better. Then last month I saw some girl pick a new Pearl Target Jr. from the music store, and the toms were hastily cranked up and they sounded so resonant! Would anyone have any idea on what's wrong with my rack toms? My FT is still rocking the stock Ambs and they sound so open and jungle-y, I love it.
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: inigo on June 02, 2014, 02:56:34 PM
Try some of these out:
- Tune bottom head higher than top head.
- If bottom head is old, battered and/or sounds dead, replace.
- If bottom head is a thick variety (Pinstripe, G2, Emperor, etc), replace with a thinner one (Diplomat, etc).
- Check bearing edges. If too round, have it shaven to have a more pronounced edge.
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: sonicassault on June 02, 2014, 03:17:39 PM
Try some of these out:
- Tune bottom head higher than top head.
- If bottom head is old, battered and/or sounds dead, replace.
- If bottom head is a thick variety (Pinstripe, G2, Emperor, etc), replace with a thinner one (Diplomat, etc).
- Check bearing edges. If too round, have it shaven to have a more pronounced edge.

I'll skip the third one. I'll get new Ambs/Diplos and see if it makes things any better. But the fact that removing the reso altogether didn't make the issue go away may point me toward a bearing edge problem. That would suck though, and I might end up selling the whole kit for a junior sized Pearl kit or a Medeli kit.
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on June 02, 2014, 03:32:02 PM
I'll skip the third one. I'll get new Ambs/Diplos and see if it makes things any better. But the fact that removing the reso altogether didn't make the issue go away may point me toward a bearing edge problem. That would suck though, and I might end up selling the whole kit for a junior sized Pearl kit or a Medeli kit.

Puntahan kita. ayusin natin. hahahahaha
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: sonicassault on June 02, 2014, 03:43:46 PM
sige, pag may pambili na ako ng bagong heads  :-D setup mo na rin yung ML X ko para di sayang yung bisita mo  :wink: , mas malayo pa bahay ko kina Guada eh.

Pag naayos mo yung rack toms ko, ewan, basta I owe you one  :cute:
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on June 02, 2014, 03:45:12 PM
sige, pag may pambili na ako ng bagong heads  :-D setup mo na rin yung ML X ko para di sayang yung bisita mo  :wink: , mas malayo pa bahay ko kina Guada eh.

Pag naayos mo yung rack toms ko, ewan, basta I owe you one  :cute:

you don't need new heads I think. basta parinig muna hahahaha.

EH DI SUNDUIN MO KO. like sa eastwood. or sa katip hahahaha tapos pakainin mo ako HAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: sonicassault on June 02, 2014, 03:47:57 PM
you don't need new heads I think. basta parinig muna hahahaha.

EH DI SUNDUIN MO KO. like sa eastwood. or sa katip hahahaha tapos pakainin mo ako HAHAHAHAHA

may Army Navy malapit samin, ok na sayo yun?  <_<

Try ko nga i-record mamaya para magamit ko naman yung i5 minsan  :wink:
Title: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: ronald_rko on June 11, 2014, 02:58:25 AM
Good day
patulong naman po about sa drum tuning di ko na malaman pano mapatunog ng maayos set ko hahahaha

drums:

Tama rhythm mate (poplar wood)


hirap na hirap ako mag tono eh :((
patulong po sana beginner palang kasi ako

THANKS!
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: sonicassault on June 11, 2014, 09:17:22 AM
Depende din kasi sa sound na gusto mo. Broadly speaking, dalawang campo yan, yung kumakanta yung drums at yung pang rock.  :)

Best to start with the first one.  :wink:

Describe ko lang ginagawa ko ah, pero kunin mo lang lahat ng mga tips na ibibigay dito sa thread na to and use what works for you and your kit :)

First step, take your rack toms off the mounts. This will help a lot, kasi hindi sasakit ang katawan mo sa kakastretch sa toms at sa ilalim.
remove both heads from the high tom and start over.

Simula ka sa batter/top head. Place head on the drum, then the hoop, tapos finger tight lahat ng lugs. Take your drum key and turn one lug clockwise one full turn. tapos lipat ka sa lug sa harapan nun, right across the drum, one full turn ulit. tapos lipat ka sa lug sa tabi nun, full turn. tapos yung lug across, full turn. basta criss-cross pattern sya.
Repeat mo lang hanggang hindi na tunog balikbayan box yung head pag tinapik mo ng mga daliri mo. mga 2-3 full turns yun. pag na-reach mo na yung level na to half to  1/4 turns na lang per lug. keep tuning until malapit ka na sa pitch na gusto mo.

Pag malapit ka na sa pitch na gusto mo, put your three fingers at the center of the head and apply light pressure. tapikin mo gamit ng drum key o ng stick yung head sa tapat ng lugs tapos hanapin mo yung pinakamalapit sa gusto mo. Once you find it, tune the other lugs to match the pitch of that lug, at ideally criss-cross pattern pa rin. so tapik, 1/4 turn, check, lipat. tapik, 1/4 turn, check, lipat. in the end dapat lahat ng lugs pareho ang pitch. tapos hampasin mo nang normal gamit yung stick. dapat kumakanta yung drum. pag ok na yan, reso head naman.

Ganun din, pero this time ilapag mo yung batter side sa unan or kumot para ma-mute muna. so head, hoop on, finger tight, tapos criss cross. after nung 2-3 full turns, check mo yung pitch. ang goal mo maging pareho yung pitch ng batter at reso. same techniques apply. pag nahihirapan ka magdistinguish ng pitch na galing sa reso at batter, i-mute mo sya ng kamay mo, apply light pressure sa gitna with three fingers.

Ideally sobrang resonant ng drum mo pag tapos na. Pero kung hindi, try raising the pitch of your reso head.  (Pag hindi pa rin, sumuko ka na lang katulad ko at tangalin yung reso head, ayos naman ang tunog nya! "concert toms" ang tawag dyan  :wink: ) Pag ok na, move on to the mid tom and the floor tom. same techniques apply

As to the floor tom, gusto ko talaga kumakanta sya. Most people like it thuddy, but personally I think the power of the floor tom comes from the boom it gets from resonating well. Kung masyado boomy para sayo, lagyan mo ng 2 inch piece of duct tape malapit sa edge, no more.

Personally I tune the drums to a major chord para di alanganin yung tunog ng rolls at mas matindi yung effect pag pinagsabay mo yung hataw sa toms. so kunwari yung high tom ko malapit sa G (so), tune ko yung mid tom ng E (mi) at yung floor tom nasa C (do). but of course your mileage may vary, kung ano pa rin ang ok ang tunog, dun ka.

Sa snare, di ako expert dyan. pero ang ginagawa ko, batter head as comfortably tight, meaning basta makuha ko na yung stick response na gusto ko, stop na. reso head, not so tight, basta hindi nya ka-pitch yung rack toms. You can tune the batter head more loose for that 60s-80s sound, tighter if you want more overtones. Ang danger lang sa super tight na batter baka hindi na magrespond sa light taps at ghost notes yung snare wires mo, at baka magwarp pa yung drum or head, o mastrip yung thread ng bolts.

Sa bass drum, di naman ako picky. Reso head basta mawala lang yung wrinkles, pero even tuning pa rin. Batter head, parang snare, pag ok na yung response sa pedal (hindi masyado malambot) stop na. tapos magaan na unan sa loob na nagttouch sa batter at reso nang sabay. Pwede rin jazz style na itune mo nang mataas at parehong pitch yung reso at batter but you might not like it.

Pag hindi talaga maganda tunog, tiyagain mo lang. balikan mo in a couple of weeks, baklasin mo kit mo at i-tune ulit. If you can't make stock heads sound passable, then theres no way new, better heads can improve your tone because you lack the tuning skills :)

Pag may reklamo si Ralph sa tips ko, sa kanya ka makinig  :-D
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: harugrugrug on June 11, 2014, 09:19:33 AM
Look for utube video of bob gatzen,nakakaantok pero very insightful,madami din sa utube na iba.
Ang akin to make it simple,tight ang snare,really tight top,slight top on bottom,on toms same sound ang taas at baba,and the pitch should be your own preference,bass drum loose as in wrinkling skin loose for the batter or the side that you hit,and the skin on front not so much. :-D
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: sonicassault on June 11, 2014, 09:38:44 AM
Look for utube video of bob gatzen,nakakaantok pero very insightful,madami din sa utube na iba.
Ang akin to make it simple,tight ang snare,really tight top,slight top on bottom,on toms same sound ang taas at baba,and the pitch should be your own preference,bass drum loose as in wrinkling skin loose for the batter or the side that you hit,and the skin on front not so much. :-D

those bob gatzen videos are the bomb, you should watch them.
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: harugrugrug on June 11, 2014, 10:14:28 AM
those bob gatzen videos are the bomb, you should watch them.

Wala naman rereklamuhin si Ralph,hahaa,nice share!
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: ronald_rko on June 11, 2014, 12:35:54 PM
Thanks po sa mga tips nyo boss, actually buong bakasyon nagsstruggle ako watching videos and applying them sa kit ko
hahaha !! subukan ko mamaya ung reply ni sir sonic THANKS PO :D
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: gss on June 11, 2014, 01:13:38 PM
if you get tired of watching videos...http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=10184.0
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: harugrugrug on June 11, 2014, 08:30:50 PM
Pero it's just trial and error bro.hehe
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: dreddurius on June 11, 2014, 10:30:24 PM
"Tunog balikbayan box" haha... the $h!t. Wag kalimutan ang reso heads ha, tumutulong sya sa ... ahm.. RESOnance. Ika nga sa bokalista eh yan ang pinaka vibrato mo (loosely speaking).
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: sonicassault on June 12, 2014, 09:42:02 PM
"Tunog balikbayan box" haha... the $h!t. Wag kalimutan ang reso heads ha, tumutulong sya sa ... ahm.. RESOnance. Ika nga sa bokalista eh yan ang pinaka vibrato mo (loosely speaking).

sinukuan ko yang mga letseng reso heads na yan. naka "concert toms" na ako ngayon  :wink:
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on June 13, 2014, 12:00:59 PM
Depende din kasi sa sound na gusto mo. Broadly speaking, dalawang campo yan, yung kumakanta yung drums at yung pang rock.  :)

Best to start with the first one.  :wink:

Describe ko lang ginagawa ko ah, pero kunin mo lang lahat ng mga tips na ibibigay dito sa thread na to and use what works for you and your kit :)

First step, take your rack toms off the mounts. This will help a lot, kasi hindi sasakit ang katawan mo sa kakastretch sa toms at sa ilalim.
remove both heads from the high tom and start over.

Simula ka sa batter/top head. Place head on the drum, then the hoop, tapos finger tight lahat ng lugs. Take your drum key and turn one lug clockwise one full turn. tapos lipat ka sa lug sa harapan nun, right across the drum, one full turn ulit. tapos lipat ka sa lug sa tabi nun, full turn. tapos yung lug across, full turn. basta criss-cross pattern sya.
Repeat mo lang hanggang hindi na tunog balikbayan box yung head pag tinapik mo ng mga daliri mo. mga 2-3 full turns yun. pag na-reach mo na yung level na to half to  1/4 turns na lang per lug. keep tuning until malapit ka na sa pitch na gusto mo.

Pag malapit ka na sa pitch na gusto mo, put your three fingers at the center of the head and apply light pressure. tapikin mo gamit ng drum key o ng stick yung head sa tapat ng lugs tapos hanapin mo yung pinakamalapit sa gusto mo. Once you find it, tune the other lugs to match the pitch of that lug, at ideally criss-cross pattern pa rin. so tapik, 1/4 turn, check, lipat. tapik, 1/4 turn, check, lipat. in the end dapat lahat ng lugs pareho ang pitch. tapos hampasin mo nang normal gamit yung stick. dapat kumakanta yung drum. pag ok na yan, reso head naman.

Ganun din, pero this time ilapag mo yung batter side sa unan or kumot para ma-mute muna. so head, hoop on, finger tight, tapos criss cross. after nung 2-3 full turns, check mo yung pitch. ang goal mo maging pareho yung pitch ng batter at reso. same techniques apply. pag nahihirapan ka magdistinguish ng pitch na galing sa reso at batter, i-mute mo sya ng kamay mo, apply light pressure sa gitna with three fingers.

Ideally sobrang resonant ng drum mo pag tapos na. Pero kung hindi, try raising the pitch of your reso head.  (Pag hindi pa rin, sumuko ka na lang katulad ko at tangalin yung reso head, ayos naman ang tunog nya! "concert toms" ang tawag dyan  :wink: ) Pag ok na, move on to the mid tom and the floor tom. same techniques apply

As to the floor tom, gusto ko talaga kumakanta sya. Most people like it thuddy, but personally I think the power of the floor tom comes from the boom it gets from resonating well. Kung masyado boomy para sayo, lagyan mo ng 2 inch piece of duct tape malapit sa edge, no more.

Personally I tune the drums to a major chord para di alanganin yung tunog ng rolls at mas matindi yung effect pag pinagsabay mo yung hataw sa toms. so kunwari yung high tom ko malapit sa G (so), tune ko yung mid tom ng E (mi) at yung floor tom nasa C (do). but of course your mileage may vary, kung ano pa rin ang ok ang tunog, dun ka.

Sa snare, di ako expert dyan. pero ang ginagawa ko, batter head as comfortably tight, meaning basta makuha ko na yung stick response na gusto ko, stop na. reso head, not so tight, basta hindi nya ka-pitch yung rack toms. You can tune the batter head more loose for that 60s-80s sound, tighter if you want more overtones. Ang danger lang sa super tight na batter baka hindi na magrespond sa light taps at ghost notes yung snare wires mo, at baka magwarp pa yung drum or head, o mastrip yung thread ng bolts.

Sa bass drum, di naman ako picky. Reso head basta mawala lang yung wrinkles, pero even tuning pa rin. Batter head, parang snare, pag ok na yung response sa pedal (hindi masyado malambot) stop na. tapos magaan na unan sa loob na nagttouch sa batter at reso nang sabay. Pwede rin jazz style na itune mo nang mataas at parehong pitch yung reso at batter but you might not like it.

Pag hindi talaga maganda tunog, tiyagain mo lang. balikan mo in a couple of weeks, baklasin mo kit mo at i-tune ulit. If you can't make stock heads sound passable, then theres no way new, better heads can improve your tone because you lack the tuning skills :)

Pag may reklamo si Ralph sa tips ko, sa kanya ka makinig  :-D


Wala naman pong reklamo. GRABE HA. di naman ako reklamador HAHAHAHA


una sa lahat bro, anong drumheads ang gamit mo?
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: sonicassault on June 13, 2014, 01:45:22 PM

Wala naman pong reklamo. GRABE HA. di naman ako reklamador HAHAHAHA


una sa lahat bro, anong drumheads ang gamit mo?
mas expert ka kasi sakin eh, mas refined na ang tone at techniques mo :))
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on June 13, 2014, 01:48:18 PM
mas expert ka kasi sakin eh, mas refined na ang tone at techniques mo :))

di pa rin. hahahaha you da man parin! home studio owner ka na eh!
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: sonicassault on June 13, 2014, 01:52:40 PM
di pa rin. hahahaha you da man parin! home studio owner ka na eh!
ikaw din kaya, may Medeli ka pa oh! :))
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: vincher on June 14, 2014, 03:37:06 AM
topic  for the next EB???
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: harugrugrug on June 14, 2014, 07:08:56 AM
topic  for the next EB???

Yes! Pwede! Since dadalin ko snare ko. Parang maunat unat,hehe.
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: ronald_rko on June 16, 2014, 04:13:33 PM

Wala naman pong reklamo. GRABE HA. di naman ako reklamador HAHAHAHA


una sa lahat bro, anong drumheads ang gamit mo?


Evans G2 po hirap matono kya ginamitan ko nalang ng muffler para mute hirap itono eh haha :))
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: sonicassault on June 16, 2014, 04:25:22 PM

Evans G2 po hirap matono kya ginamitan ko nalang ng muffler para mute hirap itono eh haha :))

Next question, bakit mahirap sya itono? anong issues ang na encounter mo?
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on June 16, 2014, 04:28:53 PM

Evans G2 po hirap matono kya ginamitan ko nalang ng muffler para mute hirap itono eh haha :) )


G2 is double ply na if im not mistaken, so muffling it might dead-en the sound of your toms if tuned too tight :D 12, 13 and 16 inches po ba ang toms niyo?
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: harugrugrug on June 16, 2014, 05:03:23 PM
Yup 2 ply na yun,kasi talagang Minsan kelangan romansahin ang drums para makita kinikilig ng sound. :cute:
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: sonicassault on June 16, 2014, 05:55:04 PM
di kaya talagang ang hanap na sound ni TS ay yung 80's ultra dead toms sound?
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: ronald_rko on June 17, 2014, 11:17:59 PM
G2 is double ply na if im not mistaken, so muffling it might dead-en the sound of your toms if tuned too tight :D 12, 13 and 16 inches po ba ang toms niyo?

10, 12 and 16 po sir :)
di ko po kasi talaga matono so ang ginagawa ko nalang mute pero gusto ko sana ung open sound kaso naman ang gara ng tunog -.-
beginner lang po kasi ako eh nung nabili ko tong drums sa audiophile di pwede itono kasi di mag kakasya sa box pg iuuwi na haha

Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: ronald_rko on June 17, 2014, 11:26:48 PM
Yup 2 ply na yun,kasi talagang Minsan kelangan romansahin ang drums para makita kinikilig ng sound. :cute:

HAHAHAHAHA natawa ko dun sir ! :))
salamat sa mga reply nyo mga master sana ma solve ko na tong problemang ito xD 
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: dreddurius on June 18, 2014, 01:16:48 AM
Uy fusion kit 😍 hayaan mong kumanta shells mo. Di ako sigurado kung makakatulong ako ha pero ginawa ko sa 8 10 12 14 16 ko noon eh hinanap ko ang pinakapaborito kong tunog na tom then dun ko na pinaikot ang tuning ng shells ko.

Nagustuhan ko ang 12 ko na minimally tuned tapos worked my way down sa 14 16 (ung 8 tinago ko na, nainis na ako magtono eh)
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: sonicassault on June 18, 2014, 08:24:36 AM
10, 12 and 16 po sir :)
di ko po kasi talaga matono so ang ginagawa ko nalang mute pero gusto ko sana ung open sound kaso naman ang gara ng tunog -.-
beginner lang po kasi ako eh nung nabili ko tong drums sa audiophile di pwede itono kasi di mag kakasya sa box pg iuuwi na haha

pwede mo ba i-describe ng mas detalyado yung tunog pag walang mutes? nacurious lang ako. tsaka ano ang target mo na sound. bigay ka ng album/kanta para mas makatulong kami :)

btw, astig yung fusion kit mo ah. inggit ako.  :cry:
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: harugrugrug on June 18, 2014, 08:47:24 AM
Haha! Kelangan naman kasi romansahin,hehe,I like that setup,singing rack toms tapos uber deep floor tom,hehe.sarap Niyan!
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: sonicassault on June 18, 2014, 09:08:45 AM
Haha! Kelangan naman kasi romansahin,hehe,I like that setup,singing rack toms tapos uber deep floor tom,hehe.sarap Niyan!

tamang tension and release, para mula sa pinaka gentle na haplos hanggang sa pinaka bayolenteng hampas, may HIYAW ang drums mo. then you find so much pleasure banging skins all day!

pero ako gusto ko kumakanta yung floor tom, iba talaga yung boom nya  :razz:
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on June 18, 2014, 10:01:51 AM
Haha! Kelangan naman kasi romansahin,hehe,I like that setup,singing rack toms tapos uber deep floor tom,hehe.sarap Niyan!


same thoughts! singing toms tska boomy floor tom hahaha kaya gusto ko 10, 12, 14 na setup eh!
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: harugrugrug on June 18, 2014, 10:30:21 AM
Ya hey! Hehe,maganda kasi ang floor tom na halos katune na niya bass drum,it could double as another bass drum.  :-D
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: ronald_rko on June 19, 2014, 09:13:06 PM
pwede mo ba i-describe ng mas detalyado yung tunog pag walang mutes? nacurious lang ako. tsaka ano ang target mo na sound. bigay ka ng album/kanta para mas makatulong kami :)

btw, astig yung fusion kit mo ah. inggit ako.  :cry:

Thanks bro !
kahit parang ganto lang okay na ko
pero gusto ko din medyo muffled tas ung tunog nya "boom" na ma reso gnun :))
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: harugrugrug on June 19, 2014, 10:28:53 PM
My floor tom sound reference is benny greb. :-D
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: sonicassault on June 20, 2014, 07:58:35 AM
Thanks bro !
kahit parang ganto lang okay na ko
pero gusto ko din medyo muffled tas ung tunog nya "boom" na ma reso gnun :))
I don't like his floor tom, it's too dead. Hydraulics yung naka salpak eh hahaha. I can't see the badge on the rack toms, Evans ba yun?

Ang dating sakin yung rack toms naka G2 sa taas tapos tuned to the same pitch yung batter at reso, or yung reso mas mataas by a third. yung batter mga 3/4 to 1.5 turns yung after the head starts to resonate. Pag yung kit na yan sinalpakan mo pa ng muffler rings/gels/duct tape/tissue, sobrang dead na sya.

Iba rin kasi ang tunog ng drums na dumaan sa microphone, lalo yung na-mix na sa mga kanta. Yung muffled tapos may boom na ma-reso sa records lang yan naririnig, kasi yung attack nanggagaling sa almost-dead na drum tapos yung tails at "boom" dialed in na sa reverb. Meron nyan sa real life pero ibang iba ang tunog, mas organic at open, dinig mo yung hinagpis nung puno na pinatay para maging kahoy ng drums mo.

Malaki rin ang influence ng room sa tunog na naririnig mo. Usually maaaccentuate nyan yung high frequencies lalo na yung pagka tunog plastik ng toms dahil sa matigas na mga pader, tapos pag carpeted naman di mo maappreciate yung resonance ng drums masyado kasi naaabsorb.

I suggest you tune your G2 and resos to the pitch you want, same pitch on both sides. Tapos bumili ka ng earmuffs sa hardware, mga tig-200 lang yan. Pakinggan mo yung kit mo through the earmuffs. Parang low pass filter yan, so nasisimulate nya yung tunog ng drums sa mic'd environment o kaya sa less reflective room tapos nasa audience ka. Pag hindi ka pa rin happy, isalpak mo yung single ply stock heads mo, tune mo the same way, tapos salpakan mo ng muffler rings. Yung drummer namin nakakuha ng magandang sound sa floor tom nya ng ganyan. Kapag ayaw pa rin, dalhin mo na si Ralph dyan  :-D
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Post by: blaze.rjay on June 22, 2014, 01:35:25 PM
I don't like his floor tom, it's too dead. Hydraulics yung naka salpak eh hahaha. I can't see the badge on the rack toms, Evans ba yun?

Ang dating sakin yung rack toms naka G2 sa taas tapos tuned to the same pitch yung batter at reso, or yung reso mas mataas by a third. yung batter mga 3/4 to 1.5 turns yung after the head starts to resonate. Pag yung kit na yan sinalpakan mo pa ng muffler rings/gels/duct tape/tissue, sobrang dead na sya.

Iba rin kasi ang tunog ng drums na dumaan sa microphone, lalo yung na-mix na sa mga kanta. Yung muffled tapos may boom na ma-reso sa records lang yan naririnig, kasi yung attack nanggagaling sa almost-dead na drum tapos yung tails at "boom" dialed in na sa reverb. Meron nyan sa real life pero ibang iba ang tunog, mas organic at open, dinig mo yung hinagpis nung puno na pinatay para maging kahoy ng drums mo.

Malaki rin ang influence ng room sa tunog na naririnig mo. Usually maaaccentuate nyan yung high frequencies lalo na yung pagka tunog plastik ng toms dahil sa matigas na mga pader, tapos pag carpeted naman di mo maappreciate yung resonance ng drums masyado kasi naaabsorb.

I suggest you tune your G2 and resos to the pitch you want, same pitch on both sides. Tapos bumili ka ng earmuffs sa hardware, mga tig-200 lang yan. Pakinggan mo yung kit mo through the earmuffs. Parang low pass filter yan, so nasisimulate nya yung tunog ng drums sa mic'd environment o kaya sa less reflective room tapos nasa audience ka. Pag hindi ka pa rin happy, isalpak mo yung single ply stock heads mo, tune mo the same way, tapos salpakan mo ng muffler rings. Yung drummer namin nakakuha ng magandang sound sa floor tom nya ng ganyan. Kapag ayaw pa rin, dalhin mo na si Ralph dyan  :-D


Tagal ko na din kasi nag ttono wala talaga pag asa dami ko ng pinanood na tutorials -.- HAHAHA
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: harugrugrug on June 22, 2014, 09:44:03 PM
It's an art bro,I'm ok in tuning drums without mic,pero when it's miced setup bano pako,haha
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: blaze.rjay on June 22, 2014, 11:02:51 PM
It's an art bro,I'm ok in tuning drums without mic,pero when it's miced setup bano pako,haha

yun oh hahaha share naman jan :P
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: harugrugrug on June 23, 2014, 12:02:36 AM
Depende sa drums at skin,pag 2 ply skin,I go for the egoy sharp attack sound,hehe,
Pero Minsan maganda din ang tight tuning ala jazz,just experiment,start with tuning top and bottom the same,then vary it.konting tight sa taas etc,iba iba kasi ang drums and skins kaya madami factors.
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: sonicassault on June 23, 2014, 08:32:40 AM

Tagal ko na din kasi nag ttono wala talaga pag asa dami ko ng pinanood na tutorials -.- HAHAHA

Tulad ng sabi ni harugrugrug, art yan. Sabi mo beginner ka pa lang, so di mo pwede sabihin na wala talagang pag asa kasi kakasimula mo pa lang. Yung galing hindi naaacquire sa pagpapanood ng mga tutorial. Sabi nga eh, niroromansa ang tunog ng drums. Hindi yung kakasimula mo pa lang magjowa na kayo. Tinatiyaga yan nang matagal para makuha mo yung gusto mo. And every head is different, single ply 7 mil 10 mil 12 mil, double ply 7 mil 10 mil, may langis, glue, perforations, o-rings, foam sa gitna ng plies; clear hazy black suede fiberskyn kevlar, lahat yan iba iba ang tuning qualities - minsan mag-iba ka lang ng head parang beginner ka ulit.

It took me four tries just to get my snare to sound they way I want it with Evans Hydraulics. Four tries as in tinanggal ko yung snare wires, reso at yung hydraulics na batter, every time. Yung rack toms ko nga taeng [ice cream] ako kasi di ko mapakanta nang maayos - acceptable pero pilit, kaya tinanggal ko yung resos. Mas maayos na pero medyo kulang pa. I think yung toms ko mga 10 beses ko na tinune. Yung floor tom ko one time big time ayos na. Again, skill yan, it comes with time. Kahit ako, if it took me 5 years to learn how to tune my electric guitars to an acceptable level, but with very good intonation across the fretboard; even I have a long way to go in tuning drums.

And manage your expectations nga, kasi baka ok na naman pala ang tunog ng drums mo, pero dahil sa room acoustics nasisira. Try mo yung mag earmuffs after magtune, para mabawasan yung bias sa room acoustics.
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: gss on June 23, 2014, 08:58:22 AM
Sir drum tuning has a learning curve...you acquire the skill as you gain more experience, I can't even say if I'm good at it at this point after a few years of doing it. I always thought that there's both science and art to tuning...and I realized you can't do it alone and I'm thankful to this forum for providing a wealth of information, just like the one below that I'm sharing...di ko ito matutuklasan if not for philmusic. It's a take on the practical side of tuning. I tried it and boy I can't believe it but it works  :):

http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=10184.0

How To Tune Your Toms - Quick & EASY w/ Rob Brown
How to Tune Your Bass Drum - Quick & EASY w/Rob Brown
How To Tune A Snare Drum: Perfect Sound in Less Than 2 Minutes w/Rob Brown
Title: Re: Help mga master drumset tuning :D
Post by: sonicassault on June 23, 2014, 09:10:43 AM
Sir drum tuning has a learning curve...you acquire the skill as you gain more experience, I can't even say if I'm good at it at this point after a few years of doing it. I always thought that there's both science and art to tuning...and I realized you can't do it alone and I'm thankful to this forum for providing a wealth of information, just like the one below that I'm sharing...di ko ito matutuklasan if not for philmusic. It's a take on the practical side of tuning. I tried it and boy I can't believe it but it works  :):

http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=10184.0

I tried this method once just because I saw it, the ones for toms I mean. Really practical and it works when you've got zero time and you don't have the luxury to tune to exact pitches. I think it would work really well for that thuddy rock sound, as well as urban drumming. The overtones can be all over the place though, and a loose head would dent faster. Haven't seen the bass and snare ones though.
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: dreddurius on July 11, 2014, 11:00:04 AM
Sana may Before and After audio clips :)
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: sonicassault on July 11, 2014, 11:02:29 AM
Sana may Before and After audio clips :)

thanks for reminding me, I should do that this weekend  :wave:
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Post by: inigo on July 11, 2014, 11:08:40 AM
Dude, anong method ang gumana? :)
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: sonicassault on July 11, 2014, 11:37:00 AM
Dude, anong method ang gumana? :)

didn't get back to it yet, though getting the reso heads off still yields a weak boxy tone. keeping them on naman, mas boxy pa yung tone. G2 clears ang batter, so I don't know if I got two duds or my bearing edges suck ass. Rack toms lang talaga kasi problema ko eh  <_<

I'll make recordings this weekend para magkaalaman na  :)
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: harugrugrug on July 11, 2014, 10:35:52 PM
just a weird suggestion. crank up your toms to like the timabale sounding type then tune it lower in quarter turns.dont
forget to push the head after you loosen it. :-D
di kaya nagwarp ang bilog ng toms mo from storage?
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: sonicassault on July 12, 2014, 11:49:01 PM
just a weird suggestion. crank up your toms to like the timabale sounding type then tune it lower in quarter turns.dont
forget to push the head after you loosen it. :-D
di kaya nagwarp ang bilog ng toms mo from storage?

I actually like my toms nice and tight, parang yung FT ko tunog pang orchestra.
The lugs won't go so far though, sagad na, at baka nga out of round na sya dahil sa storage.
Notable kasi nung kinuha ko may kalawang yung boots sa loob ng high tom, tapos may amag yung hoop ng bass (pero ok naman yung bass, ganda ng tunog!)
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: harugrugrug on July 13, 2014, 09:15:32 AM
I actually like my toms nice and tight, parang yung FT ko tunog pang orchestra.
The lugs won't go so far though, sagad na, at baka nga out of round na sya dahil sa storage.
Notable kasi nung kinuha ko may kalawang yung boots sa loob ng high tom, tapos may amag yung hoop ng bass (pero ok naman yung bass, ganda ng tunog!)


Awwwww.... Magexperiment Ka,baka sa room lang din. Itune mo sa Ibang part ng Bahay niyo.
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: jviado on July 16, 2014, 12:41:16 PM
Yung 12" ko ganto rin. Pag nakadetach sa tom arm. Ok tumunog(May sustain). Pero pag nakakabit na sa arm. Wala na. As in patay na patay. May space naman yung bottom rim sa bass drum hindi siya nakadikit. Btw, hindi siya virgin tom.
My 13" sounds ok naman. Ginawa ko na siyang floating floor tom. Ano kaya problema nito?  <_<
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: sonicassault on July 16, 2014, 05:31:05 PM
Yung 12" ko ganto rin. Pag nakadetach sa tom arm. Ok tumunog(May sustain). Pero pag nakakabit na sa arm. Wala na. As in patay na patay. May space naman yung bottom rim sa bass drum hindi siya nakadikit. Btw, hindi siya virgin tom.
My 13" sounds ok naman. Ginawa ko na siyang floating floor tom. Ano kaya problema nito?  <_<

8-10-14 na raw tayo  :wink:
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: jviado on July 17, 2014, 09:26:47 AM
8-10-14 na raw tayo  :wink:

Panong 8-10-14 sir? Hahahaha! Nakakalungkot kasi. Natono mo na ng maayos pero wala sa drumset. Pag nilagay mo sa rack. Patay na.  :cry:
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: sonicassault on July 17, 2014, 10:24:54 AM
Panong 8-10-14 sir? Hahahaha! Nakakalungkot kasi. Natono mo na ng maayos pero wala sa drumset. Pag nilagay mo sa rack. Patay na.  :cry:
8 and 10 inch na rack tapos 14 na FT  :lol: I swear I've heard 8" toms singing with pinstripes on, eh ako naka 12-13 na G2 ayaw pa rin kumanta!  :eek:
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Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on July 17, 2014, 10:59:27 AM
8 and 10 inch na rack tapos 14 na FT  :lol: I swear I've heard 8" toms singing with pinstripes on, eh ako naka 12-13 na G2 ayaw pa rin kumanta!  :eek:

virgin toms ka ba? or yung naka-TOM ARM insert? mejo mas madalas dead sounding ang non virgin toms because of the holes (parang sa vented snare kumbaga)


yung kay bro JVIADO, bro check mo yung tom arms tska mounting hardware ng drums mo, baka may maluwag na or kumakalog. this is another killer of resonance. :)
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: sonicassault on July 17, 2014, 11:02:37 AM
virgin toms ka ba? or yung naka-TOM ARM insert? mejo mas madalas dead sounding ang non virgin toms because of the holes (parang sa vented snare kumbaga)


yung kay bro JVIADO, bro check mo yung tom arms tska mounting hardware ng drums mo, baka may maluwag na or kumakalog. this is another killer of resonance. :)

ah sabagay natuhugan na yung toms ko eh. naka suspension mount nga  yung 8" na nakita ko  :-o
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Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on July 17, 2014, 11:20:12 AM
ayun. :O try mo itune ng hawak mo siya na hindi nakamount. malamang hindi deadsounding yan.
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Post by: jviado on July 17, 2014, 04:34:51 PM
virgin toms ka ba? or yung naka-TOM ARM insert? mejo mas madalas dead sounding ang non virgin toms because of the holes (parang sa vented snare kumbaga)


yung kay bro JVIADO, bro check mo yung tom arms tska mounting hardware ng drums mo, baka may maluwag na or kumakalog. this is another killer of resonance. :)

Oo nga sir. Maluwag na nga yung tom arm ko. Pano kaya to? Bili na ko bagong tom arm?
Natono ko siya ng sobrang ganda nung wala sa arm. Pag kabit mo sa tom arm.....  :lol: :lol:

8 and 10 inch na rack tapos 14 na FT  :lol: I swear I've heard 8" toms singing with pinstripes on, eh ako naka 12-13 na G2 ayaw pa rin kumanta!  :eek:

Hahahaha!! :lol: G2 Clear over Genera Resonant ako sa toms. TBH, ngayon ko lang narinig tumunog yung drums ko ng maayos. :-D

Pero ok nga yung sinabi ni sir raLpH_pEtRucCi na itune mo yung tom mo sir ng hindi nakamount. :) yun yung issue ko sa 12"ko na tom. Natotono ko siya ng maayos pag hindi nakamount. :)
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Post by: sonicassault on July 17, 2014, 04:40:47 PM
Oo nga sir. Maluwag na nga yung tom arm ko. Pano kaya to? Bili na ko bagong tom arm?
Natono ko siya ng sobrang ganda nung wala sa arm. Pag kabit mo sa tom arm.....  :lol: :lol:

Hahahaha!! :lol: G2 Clear over Genera Resonant ako sa toms. TBH, ngayon ko lang narinig tumunog yung drums ko ng maayos. :-D

Pero ok nga yung sinabi ni sir raLpH_pEtRucCi na itune mo yung tom mo sir ng hindi nakamount. :) yun yung issue ko sa 12"ko na tom. Natotono ko siya ng maayos pag hindi nakamount. :)

actually ralph deads na yung ball mount ko eh (tanging sakit ng yamaha) baka dun din. although true mas resonant nga sya pag tuned off the rack, pero di pa rin ako satisfied eh, boxy talaga.

PROMISE this weekend talaga magrerecord na ako ng samples.
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on July 17, 2014, 04:43:00 PM
Oo nga sir. Maluwag na nga yung tom arm ko. Pano kaya to? Bili na ko bagong tom arm?
Natono ko siya ng sobrang ganda nung wala sa arm. Pag kabit mo sa tom arm.....  :lol: :lol:

Hahahaha!! :lol: G2 Clear over Genera Resonant ako sa toms. TBH, ngayon ko lang narinig tumunog yung drums ko ng maayos. :-D

Pero ok nga yung sinabi ni sir raLpH_pEtRucCi na itune mo yung tom mo sir ng hindi nakamount. :) yun yung issue ko sa 12"ko na tom. Natotono ko siya ng maayos pag hindi nakamount. :)


nako, palit na ng mounts. or mount mo via snare stand. i prefer mounting via snare stand hahahaha
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on July 17, 2014, 04:44:50 PM
actually ralph deads na yung ball mount ko eh (tanging sakit ng yamaha) baka dun din. although true mas resonant nga sya pag tuned off the rack, pero di pa rin ako satisfied eh, boxy talaga.

PROMISE this weekend talaga magrerecord na ako ng samples.

yun na yan most probably + bearing edges. tancha ko bearing edges talaga. rounded na yan most prob.
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: jviado on July 17, 2014, 05:04:16 PM

nako, palit na ng mounts. or mount mo via snare stand. i prefer mounting via snare stand hahahaha

Sige sir. Balitaan ko kayo sa tunog pag nakapag palit na ko mounts. Masyado mahal ang snare stand at hindi ako sanay sa pwesto pag snare stand. HAHAHAHA!!  :lol:

maraming salamat sir raLpH_pEtRucCi.  :-D :-D
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on July 17, 2014, 05:06:51 PM
Sige sir. Balitaan ko kayo sa tunog pag nakapag palit na ko mounts. Masyado mahal ang snare stand at hindi ako sanay sa pwesto pag snare stand. HAHAHAHA!!  :lol:

maraming salamat sir raLpH_pEtRucCi.  :-D :-D

pag wala parin, eb na tayo sainyo HAHAHAHAH
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: jviado on July 17, 2014, 05:09:22 PM
pag wala parin, eb na tayo sainyo HAHAHAHAH

Hahahaha!! Pwede! Pero mukhang mas okay ata sainyo para may BP 13x6.5 na Walnut.  :roll: :drool: :cute:
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: sonicassault on July 17, 2014, 05:36:00 PM

nako, palit na ng mounts. or mount mo via snare stand. i prefer mounting via snare stand hahahaha

parang may nabasa ako sa drummerworld forums na tonekill daw yung sa snare stand mo i-mount? totoo ba yun? eh ang lakas ng ang snare eh  :|
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on July 17, 2014, 05:37:50 PM
parang may nabasa ako sa drummerworld forums na tonekill daw yung sa snare stand mo i-mount? totoo ba yun? eh ang lakas ng ang snare eh  :|

pwede naman may tennis balls eh. =))
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: sonicassault on July 17, 2014, 05:43:33 PM
pwede naman may tennis balls eh. =))

ano yun?? ngayon ko lang narinig yung tennis balls! alam ko lang dyan yugn ibabato mo sa dryer para fluffy ang clothes mo  :lol:
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: sonicassault on July 17, 2014, 10:50:00 PM
Okay, so I decided to check my toms again tonight. Tuned it up evenly on the rack,
and yeah it sound boxy and dead. Lo and behold when I took it off the tom mount, it started
singing.  :eek:
I tried setting it up on my snare stand, and yes, it still sings! Tama ka Ralph, ang laking factor
ng mount!

I guess I can never really solve that problem, as suspension mounts are out of the question.
I'll double check this weekend if I still have issues when using a reso head; I have them off
right now, concert tom style.
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: harugrugrug on July 18, 2014, 10:23:50 AM
Try mo yung mount ng tom ng Gibraltar,maganda yun humawak ng toms. ^-^
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: sonicassault on July 18, 2014, 10:35:32 AM
Try mo yung mount ng tom ng Gibraltar,maganda yun humawak ng toms. ^-^

I should look into that! Nakapagbasa din ako sa ibang forums na may resonance issues din ang Yamaha YESS mounts
tulad ng sakin. Apparently pag umabot ka na sa gitna ng mounting rod nya bigla mamamatay yug resonance ng drum.
for some of the forumers anyway. I'll try locking my toms to the edge of the mounting rod and see if that helps.

I'm still very much open to replacing the mounts though, I hate those YESS mounts   <_<
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: dreddurius on July 18, 2014, 11:38:38 AM
I hate those YESS mounts   <_<

Also, the YESS mount "hug" a huge portion of the tom >.< not that huge but enough to affect yung overall sound nya. I ended up placing my old Yamaha on a snare stand. I hate that dead "thunk"

 :eek:

(http://www.rhythmbase.co.uk/image/cache/data/products/GM_TOM-1-750x750.jpg)
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: sonicassault on July 18, 2014, 12:03:54 PM
Also, the YESS mount "hug" a huge portion of the tom >.< not that huge but enough to affect yung overall sound nya. I ended up placing my old Yamaha on a snare stand. I hate that dead "thunk"

 :eek:

(http://www.rhythmbase.co.uk/image/cache/data/products/GM_TOM-1-750x750.jpg)

from what I gather from the talk about YESS mounts, if you push the tom all the way through the hex mount, there is enough "connection" that the energy travels instead through the tom arms and the stand or kick mount, I guess because the shell itself starts to rest on the hex mount. I guess when they said you have to screw the tom near the pointed end of the hex mount, only the weight of the YESS mount is carried, leaving the shell to resonate free(ish)ly. I really have to try that tonight.
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: inigo on July 18, 2014, 12:44:38 PM
I should look into that! Nakapagbasa din ako sa ibang forums na may resonance issues din ang Yamaha YESS mounts
tulad ng sakin. Apparently pag umabot ka na sa gitna ng mounting rod nya bigla mamamatay yug resonance ng drum.
for some of the forumers anyway. I'll try locking my toms to the edge of the mounting rod and see if that helps.

I'm still very much open to replacing the mounts though, I hate those YESS mounts   <_<

I've noticed no such thing on YESS mounts on my maple custom. Na-try ko na iposition ang tom to practically all points of the rod (barely hanging to sagad to the tom), and I didn't notice any stark differences.
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: inigo on July 18, 2014, 12:51:37 PM
Low probability na it's about the mount, as heads will vibrate kahit non-resonant ang shell. Try looking for canceling tones from other toms that are attached to the mount (bass drum and the other rack tom). Dampen the heads of other drums (batter and reso) and hit it while on the mount. Then trial and error to find out which head cancels the tom.
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: sonicassault on July 18, 2014, 01:52:16 PM
Low probability na it's about the mount, as heads will vibrate kahit non-resonant ang shell. Try looking for canceling tones from other toms that are attached to the mount (bass drum and the other rack tom). Dampen the heads of other drums (batter and reso) and hit it while on the mount. Then trial and error to find out which head cancels the tom.

I'd look into this tonight, but I do recognize that the location of my 12" rack tom does take away some resonance. Whether or not other drums cancel out the sound I'm not sure, but I did try hitting it on and off the mount, handholding it to the same location and position as it normally would for the latter, and the tom does sound more open. It's a Gigmaker, so that itself might be a factor.

If it is frequencies that cancel out, it may be the 13" tom. An inch wider and half an inch deeper doesn't make much of a difference, especially that I had to crank up the 13" just to get the tension I want which made the 12 and 13 inch toms itched two semitones apart. But I'll look into all the possible causes.
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: harugrugrug on July 18, 2014, 11:47:55 PM
The absolute series toms has a rod that doesn't go inside the shell while gig makers have the rod that
Connect thru the shell.its a big factor in sound,because i tuned already both of the drums,I'll take a pic
Tomorrow if I remember,ehehe
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: sonicassault on July 21, 2014, 08:36:51 AM
Nasubukan ko na yung sabi sa ibang forum na iposition sa pointed end ng rod yung mga toms. It worked, to my surprise!  :-o
Pero hindi sya magic bigla. Yung 13" tom ko yung unang kumanta talaga, tapos yung 12" na problema ko ayaw pa rin, so sabi
ko tune ko nga baka di na pantay, and then yun kumanta na rin sya like never before! nung binalik ko yung tom sa dating
position nya sa kabilang dulo ng rod, instant patay ulit yung sound.

Naamaze ako sa effect, ang laki pala   :-o Ngayon, ang titingnan ko na lang eh kung kakanta pa rin sya pag binalik ko na
yung reso heads  <_<
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on July 21, 2014, 10:33:19 AM
ayun hahaha so sa mounts nga ang problem hahahaha :D
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: sonicassault on July 21, 2014, 10:37:15 AM
ayun hahaha so sa mounts nga ang problem hahahaha :D

alam na! proceed with refinishing! :-D so tuning skillz na lang pag sinalpak ko ulit yung mga reso heads, konting praktis pa
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: inigo on July 21, 2014, 02:29:12 PM
Mount ang salarin! Astig!

Grabe halos dalawang buwan na patay ang toms mo ah. Hehe.
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: sonicassault on July 21, 2014, 02:50:13 PM
Mount ang salarin! Astig!

Grabe halos dalawang buwan na patay ang toms mo ah. Hehe.

actually ever since nagpalit ako ng heads  :lol: una kasi nyan stock. pangit ang tunog pero at least kumakanta. buong tuning range ng drums ko nasubukan ko na, ayaw pa rin, tapos yun, may combo ng tuning and proper positioning sa mount tapos kumanta na.  :cry:
sa totoo lang medyo di ako makapaniwalang mount ang salarin but hey, we learn something everyday  :-D

eh laspag na yung heads ko, nakuuuu tuning hell na naman  <_<
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: harugrugrug on July 22, 2014, 05:20:37 PM
Po post ko sana pics nung gig maker at absolute series,huli nako,ahaha :eek:
Wala wifi sa Bahay e,sa trabaho lang gamit ko,hehe
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: sonicassault on July 22, 2014, 05:37:55 PM
Po post ko sana pics nung gig maker at absolute series,huli nako,ahaha :eek:
Wala wifi sa Bahay e,sa trabaho lang gamit ko,hehe

tama ba, yung sa absolute series yung RIMS mount na parang suspension mount? o suspension mount ba sya talaga?
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: harugrugrug on July 23, 2014, 10:11:32 AM
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b605/harugrugrug/cdc896cde8eea604b14b85fddd6b8578_zpse5bd8ffa.jpg)
Ayan siya paps.
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: sonicassault on July 23, 2014, 10:26:35 AM
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b605/harugrugrug/cdc896cde8eea604b14b85fddd6b8578_zpse5bd8ffa.jpg)
Ayan siya paps.

Di ko alam na may ganyan pala silang mount!
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: harugrugrug on July 23, 2014, 11:49:03 AM
Alam ko paps yess mounts tawag dyan,yess 2 yan ata,yung mas luma e nasa stage customs
Correct me if I'm wrong.so walang rod na didiretso sa wood compared sa gig maker
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: dreddurius on July 24, 2014, 01:15:31 AM
Gigmakers and Rydeens (and old YD series yata) ang may tumatagos sa shell. Everything else is YEsS.

Edit: dat Maple!!!
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: inigo on July 24, 2014, 11:11:49 AM
^Old maple customs also have non-YESS mounts. I have a 10 inch tom that has this.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/inigomortel/Stuff%20for%20Sale/IMG_5105.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/inigomortel/media/Stuff%20for%20Sale/IMG_5105.jpg.html)

My kit's other toms (12, 14, 16) have YESS mounts and I really couldn't make a significant difference on resonance.
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: dreddurius on July 24, 2014, 11:47:41 AM
^Old maple customs also have non-YESS mounts. I have a 10 inch tom that has this.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/inigomortel/Stuff%20for%20Sale/IMG_5105.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/inigomortel/media/Stuff%20for%20Sale/IMG_5105.jpg.html)

My kit's other toms (12, 14, 16) have YESS mounts and I really couldn't make a significant difference on resonance.

OT: Teal Maple <3 <3 <3 at gold lugs pa
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on July 24, 2014, 12:14:08 PM
^Old maple customs also have non-YESS mounts. I have a 10 inch tom that has this.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/inigomortel/Stuff%20for%20Sale/IMG_5105.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/inigomortel/media/Stuff%20for%20Sale/IMG_5105.jpg.html)

My kit's other toms (12, 14, 16) have YESS mounts and I really couldn't make a significant difference on resonance.


Tama. ang ganda ng finish at hardware nito inigo <3
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: sonicassault on July 25, 2014, 03:08:54 PM
^Old maple customs also have non-YESS mounts. I have a 10 inch tom that has this.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/inigomortel/Stuff%20for%20Sale/IMG_5105.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/inigomortel/media/Stuff%20for%20Sale/IMG_5105.jpg.html)

My kit's other toms (12, 14, 16) have YESS mounts and I really couldn't make a significant difference on resonance.

that is an awesome looking drum.
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: harugrugrug on July 25, 2014, 10:30:29 PM
Yummy! :-D
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: dreddurius on July 26, 2014, 11:52:38 AM
I'm tempted to post something stupid like "ser last price po?" but I remembered di pala FB to hehe
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: harugrugrug on July 26, 2014, 09:52:59 PM
I'm tempted to post something stupid like "ser last price po?" but I remembered di pala FB to hehe
Ahaha! Gas Ka na ng omni! Ahaha! Yup! That tom kick serious butt.
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on July 28, 2014, 10:13:43 AM
I'm tempted to post something stupid like "ser last price po?" but I remembered di pala FB to hehe

HAHAHAHAHA ume-FB Drum Group ah? =))

HM po bro? LP na ba yan? pero nakalagay sa taas FT HAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: dreddurius on July 28, 2014, 10:25:37 AM
#doesnotaffectthesound ehehe
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on July 28, 2014, 10:30:14 AM
#doesnotaffectthesound ehehe

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA yun yung favorite ko eh! basag na yun cymbal tapos may cut na 2 inches tapos #doesnotaffectthesound HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

tska yung favorite nilang: MINT CONDITION. NO LOGOS. WOW.
Title: Re: Help, my rack toms sound dead!
Post by: sonicassault on July 28, 2014, 10:49:49 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA yun yung favorite ko eh! basag na yun cymbal tapos may cut na 2 inches tapos #doesnotaffectthesound HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

tska yung favorite nilang: MINT CONDITION. NO LOGOS. WOW.

dyusko. yung mga "BETTER THAN MINT CONDITION" whut.  :eek:
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: ronald_rko on October 21, 2014, 10:35:21 PM
help mga master sa pag ttune ng drums kakapagod na :))
hahahaha!
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: sonicassault on October 22, 2014, 08:47:59 AM
help mga master sa pag ttune ng drums kakapagod na :))
hahahaha!

wala pa rin?  :-o ano ba ang tunog nya ngayon? tunog karton o ma-overtones o may dissonance?
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: peeves24 on October 22, 2014, 09:11:12 AM
http://www.tune-bot.com/

bili ka sa lyric
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: sonicassault on October 22, 2014, 09:38:48 AM
http://www.tune-bot.com/

bili ka sa lyric

I think I should get one of these too. my 13" tom is giving me hell because of sympathetic resonance and I can't find a nice note to tune it to.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: smurssshhh on October 22, 2014, 02:24:10 PM
Mga sir share ko lang experience ko sa Tune-Bot. :wave: Before i bought my tune-bot i always had an issue with my tuning. Parang every time i change head hndi ako convinced na tama tuning ko(i always tune my snare pretty high), yung tipong walang confidence sa tuning kung same pitch ba o hndi. Then nagkapera ako and decided to buy one, its a bit pricey pero inadvice-an ako ng isa pang kasama natin dito sa pm na its one the best investment in drumming. Then paguwi ko after i bought it, tinanggal ko head ng snare then i tuned it dn with out using the tune-bot and nung nasettle na tsaka ko naman chineck sa tune-bot, to my surprise mismo pala ang tuning ko with a difference of -.5 to +.1 lang pnagkaiba.hahaha :-o after that nagkaroon ako ng confidence sa tuning ko by ear kaso nakabili naq ng tune-bot, im somewhat disappointed buying it (kasi tama pala tuning ko by ear.hahaha  :-D) but nevertheless happy na binili ko xa.hahaha
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: peeves24 on October 22, 2014, 03:02:00 PM
same with me. kaya lang yung idrumtune app gamit ko dati,  i use it just to verify. i recently bought a tunebot, mas mabilis kasi sya maglabas ng readings. tsaka minsan talaga may araw na palyado yung tenga na kahit anong gawin ko, hindi ako makapagtono
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: kimpoy19 on October 23, 2014, 10:55:58 AM
i have to try the real tune-bot.

i have an android app of tune-bot, then nakalagay dun yung frequencies for the particular tone. May calculation dun, ok kaya yun gamitin?

Magkano ba tune-bot?
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: peeves24 on October 23, 2014, 12:51:50 PM
4500

ok na rin yung apps lang sa phone. mas mabilis lang talaga yung tunebot.
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: dolfmen on October 23, 2014, 02:43:10 PM
i have to try the real tune-bot.

i have an android app of tune-bot, then nakalagay dun yung frequencies for the particular tone. May calculation dun, ok kaya yun gamitin?

Magkano ba tune-bot?

sir anong name nung android app yun? thanks!
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: kimpoy19 on October 25, 2014, 03:41:19 PM
sir anong name nung android app yun? thanks!

Tune-bot mismo sir.
Sinearch ko yun sa Google Play as "Drum Tuner".

Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: zwischenzug on March 20, 2015, 10:05:38 AM
Tuwing kailan kayo nagpapalit ng resonant heads?  Same time ba ng pagpalit ng batter or iba?  Ano yung nagtitrigger sa inyo na palitan ito?   :)
Title: Re: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread
Post by: sonicassault on March 20, 2015, 10:31:28 AM
Tuwing kailan kayo nagpapalit ng resonant heads?  Same time ba ng pagpalit ng batter or iba?  Ano yung nagtitrigger sa inyo na palitan ito?   :)

When changing batter heads, I always reseat the reso heads. When it sounds like it sucks, parang bitin, or sometimes it just sounds dead even when you tune the drum open, then I can change the heads. That being said, my resos need changing  :lol: Snare side heads, I change when there's too much scratches/dents from the snare wires.