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Title: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: skunkyfunk on June 02, 2011, 06:33:16 PM
Bogner Alchemist Jet City amps (Soldano) Marshall MA series
These aren't as topnotch as their USA/UK-made models but why a lot of flak? Just because the Chinese are known for their sweatshops, IP dishnoesty and poor QC? Not everything made in China is objectionable.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: juan_alderete on June 02, 2011, 06:41:00 PM
sama mo narin yung new vox ac30's na mic,
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: Tasty on June 02, 2011, 07:32:45 PM
I've owned a China-made Peavey tele and loved it. I only sold it because just like most non-Ibanez guitars, it was a bit uncomfortable to play for me (and I needed a guitar with a trem and at least 22 frets at the time). I generally don't care where the things I use come from as long as they do what I need them to do.
By the way, this thread has some serious potential to turn real ugly.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: cayle on June 02, 2011, 07:47:06 PM
Naging stereotype na kasi na pag made in China, poor QC na agad..
I wouldn't care where it is made, as long as maganda tunog and reliable naman. :-)
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: burnsbhm on June 02, 2011, 07:54:52 PM
If it's good, I don't care where it is made.
But if it is locally made and well-made....then of course sa local ako.
For the first time in my life I was able to use an AC30 3 weeks ago sa Bellevue hotel. Man, I don't even have to go to 2 on the volume, ang taba na ng tunog ko and it is already heard clearly all over the stage.
The soundman has no problem kasi ang hina ng amp ko. He had a swell time on the boards with me.
The amp was of course made in China!
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: r_chino18 on June 02, 2011, 07:57:45 PM
Maybe they can't accept na minsan may MIC na very much comparable with MIA. Or if not at par, the price difference does a huge plus.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: kimhags on June 02, 2011, 08:04:50 PM
to be honest, kung may pera ako id rather buy us or japan made..
Me too. Just being honest, most of all the good stuff come from us, uk or japan and that is a fact.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: bluesman_jsb on June 02, 2011, 10:10:50 PM
:mrgreen: china always concentrates on Quantity not Quality. ive been here in china for years and personally i dont like most of their works especially in mainland. and i think, this is due also of the way they run their business. they dont like to waste any of the stuffs they make as long as they can sell it even if its broken or it has a bit problem( they even know that deep inside) :lol: some things they sell just come out the factory broken.. and what hurts me more is they still have the guts to sell it :| . the only consulation you can get is they will give you something like 'one year Product Warranty" of the stuff that you purchase and thats actually fooling you completely in disguise because logically they do really want you come back to show how kind they are to entertain you without even knowing that you're going to waste another money for some new stuffs they prepare for you to see :lol:.. thats the truth guys. it happened most of the time here. but if you really want to buy stuffs from China, i recommend products by which originates or made from Hongkong and Taiwan!!! ROCK ON! :wink:
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: teleclem on June 02, 2011, 10:13:05 PM
If it's good, it's good. That's what I try to follow with gear. If Behringer, for some reason, suddenly comes out with an amp that can "beat" a Matchless/"boutique" amp from the States or UK, I'd be first in line. :-)
That said, all the hate has got to come from somewhere. Sure, the hate is a good example of exaggerating/hasty generalization, but I myself have had stuff that were MIC that were subpar at best. That's not to say that there aren't any pieces of junk from the US or other places. Simply said, stigma na rin ng China yun for now, di lang galing sa corksniffers.
Sorry if it's ot but corksniffer reminded me of this :lol:
(http://i.imgur.com/E3TcD.gif)
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: firemodel55 on June 02, 2011, 10:24:22 PM
Bogner Alchemist Jet City amps (Soldano) Marshall MA series
These aren't as topnotch as their USA/UK-made models but why a lot of flak? Just because the Chinese are known for their sweatshops, IP dishnoesty and poor QC? Not everything made in China is objectionable.
Skunky, obviously there is some compromise with quality or sound compared to their top of the line Made in America or Made in UK models. So, in a nutshell, the china made stuff do NOT hold a candle to the Boutique stuff made in UK and America. Even Russian AK47s are better made than their Chinese equivalents.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: firemodel55 on June 02, 2011, 10:26:56 PM
But if it is locally made and well-made....then of course sa local ako.
For the first time in my life I was able to use an AC30 3 weeks ago sa Bellevue hotel. Man, I don't even have to go to 2 on the volume, ang taba na ng tunog ko and it is already heard clearly all over the stage.
The soundman has no problem kasi ang hina ng amp ko. He had a swell time on the boards with me.
The amp was of course made in China!
Yeah... wait til you hear my english made AC30 re-issue modified ad infinitum... heh heh
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: pualux on June 02, 2011, 10:30:50 PM
the same reason why some people buy the iphone over those chinese knockoffs...
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: ibanez_guy on June 02, 2011, 10:32:26 PM
kanya kanyang taste lang. there are people who prefer to buy MIA or MIJ even if the MIC are almost the same quality or built. hating MIC maybe elitist, but there are people who are like that.
we just have to live with it. people are free to express their opinions, they may look like snobs or trying hard social climbers, but it's their right. :-(
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: Silaw on June 02, 2011, 10:36:41 PM
kanya kanyang taste lang. there are people who prefer to buy MIA or MIJ even if the MIC are almost the same quality or built. hating MIC maybe elitist, but there are people who are like that.
we just have to live with it. people are free to express their opinions, they may look like snobs or trying hard social climbers, but it's their right. :-(
Eh... teka muna may mga MIA na hindi talaga maabutan ng MIC in terms of robustness and sound quality. Its a matter of performance assessment more than just saying its an individual's right.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: firemodel55 on June 02, 2011, 11:00:36 PM
Eh... teka muna may mga MIA na hindi talaga maabutan ng MIC in terms of robustness and sound quality. Its a matter of performance assessment more than just saying its an individual's right.
This is a fact.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: firemodel55 on June 02, 2011, 11:05:41 PM
japan postwar had this reputation among the electronics world. then some entities stepped up (sony ring a bell?) and the rest is history.
with china's drive to be the premier economic superpower, who knows what's going to happen in several years or so.
But in terms of sound design in audio, the japanese have never beat the americans and europeans in coming up with amps and speakers that sound good despite their economic dominance. In short, hindi talent ng mga Japanese ang gumawa ng magagandang tunog na audio -- there are exceptions of course but not the norm.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: Bolt Thrower on June 02, 2011, 11:11:31 PM
I'd rather choose Indonesian or Korean over Chinese. For me, their craftsmanship is not yet "there". A Japanese made guitar will probably last longer. And I'm just not a fan of how the mainland Chinese do their business. They will cut corners if they can sell more. The Japanese are more quality driven.
...And maybe the paint they use has some formalin or something toxic. lol
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: Bolt Thrower on June 02, 2011, 11:20:02 PM
But in terms of sound design in audio, the japanese have never beat the americans and europeans in coming up with amps and speakers that sound good despite their economic dominance. In short, hindi talent ng mga Japanese ang gumawa ng magagandang tunog na audio -- there are exceptions of course but not the norm.
Hmmmm, historically they never tried to, anyway. They never specialized into making big name amps. Domestic artists too choose foreign amps so there is no demand. Them being heavy on image, their artists are more interested with custom guitars more than amps. There were attempts, yes especially with hand made tube amps for lounge bands...but as a national industry, there was no significant effort to match the Americans or the Europeans.
Now, if we are talking about digital effects and stompboxes, that's another story.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: teleclem on June 02, 2011, 11:40:46 PM
the same reason why some people buy the iphone over those chinese knockoffs...
But then.. these are made in china too. So that means they can get it right. :-D
Tight regulations & control can do the trick, I guess. If you see the pics of Foxconn plants (one of Apple's makers), parang nakakatakot magstay doon. Everything seems to be controlled.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: stringman on June 02, 2011, 11:51:51 PM
What Japan was about 20 years is just like the China we have today. A lot of knockoffs and lawsuits. There's still room to improve within the next 10 years.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: firemodel55 on June 03, 2011, 12:06:08 AM
But then.. these are made in china too. So that means they can get it right. :-D
Tight regulations & control can do the trick, I guess. If you see the pics of Foxconn plants (one of Apple's makers), parang nakakatakot magstay doon. Everything seems to be controlled.
Even with tight regulations, have you checked the warranty on Iphones? Would you prefer an amp or guitar that lasts only a year or so?
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: firemodel55 on June 03, 2011, 12:07:52 AM
What Japan was about 20 years is just like the China we have today. A lot of knockoffs and lawsuits. There's still room to improve within the next 10 years.
Unfortunately, MIA guitars and amps still rule over Japanese made guitars and amps on the average even today.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: stringman on June 03, 2011, 12:11:23 AM
Unfortunately, MIA guitars and amps still rule over Japanese made guitars and amps on the average even today.
I agree with that. The Japs are not half as bad either.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: mrslow96 on June 03, 2011, 12:18:01 AM
baka sa sahod din siguro mas mura nag sahod ng chinese employee kay mas mura compare sa ibang countries
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: 7stringmachine on June 03, 2011, 12:26:19 AM
Chinese make's the most out of anything. for i am one, yeah in any situation i would choose MIA or MIJ guitars, but again economically speaking :) not all musician's have the moohlah to purchase those, thank china atleast somehow we can buy those re-labored things :D imagine if there was no china, everything will be so expensive
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: teleclem on June 03, 2011, 12:29:38 AM
Even with tight regulations, have you checked the warranty on Iphones? Would you prefer an amp or guitar that lasts only a year or so?
No, of course not. :) I do agree that right now, nothing from China could probably beat an expertly made amp/guitar/pedal from the us/uk. They probably don't have the know how that builders from the us/uk have (which is understandable since electric guitars have historically been more popular/visible in the us/uk). 50 years down the road.. No one knows how things will be.
I do like my iphone though. It's more reliable than the other phones i've had. The warranty's as good as any today. That said, all those phones are from China. It just shows how they are capable of making a product that's better than what is normally expected.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: BodomNight on June 03, 2011, 12:31:31 AM
hehehe apple macbook pro made in china din eh hehe
pero parts japan yata .. pati mga nike o adidas shoes man dami ng made in china pero US galing yung parts..
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: teleclem on June 03, 2011, 12:45:54 AM
hehehe apple macbook pro made in china din eh hehe
Yeahh. Pero hindi mo mahahalata talaga unless you look at the label. Same goes for other high priced 'quality' gadgets.
The thing is.. As guitarists, we tend to not like mass produced gear (hence the growing number of independent makers). With them, we get obsessive attention to detail, excellent service, and (most of the time) good tone. Most of the time, we don't get that from China..
Yet.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: burnsbhm on June 03, 2011, 12:47:28 AM
Yeah... wait til you hear my english made AC30 re-issue modified ad infinitum... heh heh
Ok lang, siguro naman di hamak na mas maayos ang tunog ng made in UK. Pero di pahuhuli yun Chinese made na yun. Lahat ng kagrupo ko natuwa sa tunog, yung tech hindi namroblema sa akin, that's all I need for a great gig.
Tsaka na lang si UK pag pinagpala ako ng pera. Pero uunahin ko muna pakakain ko sa pamilya ko o tuition ng magiging anak ko.
Luxury na sa akin yan.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: burnsbhm on June 03, 2011, 12:48:33 AM
On the other hand, meron naman talagang masagwang gawa sa China. Ganun din sa Japan, US, UK, kahit saan....
Basta value for money ako lagi. That is my rule of thumb.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: bryanarzaga on June 03, 2011, 01:43:55 AM
Bogner Alchemist Jet City amps (Soldano) Marshall MA series
These aren't as topnotch as their USA/UK-made models but why a lot of flak? Just because the Chinese are known for their sweatshops, IP dishnoesty and poor QC? Not everything made in China is objectionable.
im a bit confused with the topic and some of the examples you provided, you mean everything that comes out of china(regardless of other factors) is absolute crap?
edit:
i'd like to extend and focus on the amps mentioned..between those 3 when it comes to a usable drive channel, i'd pick Marshall MA and the Bogner..they can give some good sounds..
but lets talk about why these amps are even manufactured there..its all about profit..and its not good..it may be the current trend nowadays but i would expect full support from the company who sells these..thats about it..if they fail they should support it
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: bryanarzaga on June 03, 2011, 01:46:29 AM
:mrgreen: china always concentrates on Quantity not Quality. ive been here in china for years and personally i dont like most of their works especially in mainland. and i think, this is due also of the way they run their business. they dont like to waste any of the stuffs they make as long as they can sell it even if its broken or it has a bit problem( they even know that deep inside) :lol: some things they sell just come out the factory broken.. and what hurts me more is they still have the guts to sell it :| . the only consulation you can get is they will give you something like 'one year Product Warranty" of the stuff that you purchase and thats actually fooling you completely in disguise because logically they do really want you come back to show how kind they are to entertain you without even knowing that you're going to waste another money for some new stuffs they prepare for you to see :lol:.. thats the truth guys. it happened most of the time here. but if you really want to buy stuffs from China, i recommend products by which originates or made from Hongkong and Taiwan!!! ROCK ON! :wink:
such as?
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: rowley75 on June 03, 2011, 01:50:53 AM
On the other hand, meron naman talagang masagwang gawa sa China. Ganun din sa Japan, US, UK, kahit saan....
and vice versa
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Basta value for money ako lagi. That is my rule of thumb.
Quality, that is another factor..and i agree
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: arkinet on June 03, 2011, 03:46:19 AM
As they say, the grass is greener on the other side of the fence, like jap cars so expensive and highly valued than US cars here, pero baliktad sa Asia, or european cars, vice versa. Daming factor, demand, marketing, etc etc. Pareho lang regarding guitars. And reputation plays big too, lalo nat me "mythical history" na, plus celebrity endorsements, blah blah. Personally, I like US guitars, though dont have a lot kasi mahirap lang tayo, I played G&L, Carvin, Hamer USA, got my hand on some custom Gibson and fenders. But lo and behold, my hand is more comfortable playing an MIC peavey generation vintage. Though I still have the US made, maybe for just the notion of having it :) , I always go back to peavey, kept modding it and I like the simplicity and proportion of it, plus I like the sound with the upgraded electronics. I know its very subjective, but if you can afford a US made, why not. Lets put it this way, US made, collectibles and pang display. MIC, workhorse :) and of course, personal opinion ko yan and I'm entitled to it :-D
And going back the question: Maybe they just have some bad experience with an MIC product, plus all these online reviews that I find disorienting. No offense to some, but people are quite opinionated on this topic.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: Darkgcleff on June 03, 2011, 04:01:16 AM
What Japan was about 20 years is just like the China we have today. A lot of knockoffs and lawsuits. There's still room to improve within the next 10 years.
+1
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: stringman on June 03, 2011, 07:23:21 AM
A bit off topic. My son has a Play Station Portable bought in the US. I was surprised to see that the charger was "Made In The Philippines". And the Class A chargers in Greenhills is made in China. :-D
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: hollowtech on June 03, 2011, 08:11:44 AM
these snobs are reinforcing the fact that they have money and the rest don't. sa totoo lang iilan lang naman ang pwede maka-afford ng 4 digit $ gears. the majority simply can't afford them, so why dangle it in their faces. eh hanggang picture lang naman kaya, kahit siguro marinig ang mga expensive gears na yan eh hindi sila magkakaroon ng chance. but these expensive MIA gears would be useless sa kamay ng collector lang. on the other hand, MIC gears create real music sa kamay ng deft players..
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: rolexm on June 03, 2011, 08:20:36 AM
Not saying I hate things made in China. I love Chinese people. :lol:
But some people do, because they can. They don't want to risk the stuff you mentioned because they have the buying power to get something not made with cheap labor. But it's wrong to force the issue to other people. :-)
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: guitarman8294 on June 03, 2011, 08:22:34 AM
I'd choose Korean made guitar parts/accessories over China. As mentioned, quantity ang priority ng China. 8-)
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: bryanarzaga on June 03, 2011, 09:04:07 AM
Naging stereotype na kasi na pag made in China, poor QC na agad..
I wouldn't care where it is made, as long as maganda tunog and reliable naman. :-)
japan din naman nun early years ng electronics production nila parang china daw sabe ng dad ko, anyways siguro after 10 years ok na talaga quality ng china.
Not saying I hate things made in China. I love Chinese people. :lol:
But some people do, because they can. They don't want to risk the stuff you mentioned because they have the buying power to get something not made with cheap labor. But it's wrong to force the issue to other people. :-)
i like chinitas :lol:
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: Bolt Thrower on June 03, 2011, 09:57:41 AM
i like chinitas too.
so there. :-D
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: skunkyfunk on June 03, 2011, 10:34:59 AM
But in terms of sound design in audio, the japanese have never beat the americans and europeans in coming up with amps and speakers that sound good despite their economic dominance. In short, hindi talent ng mga Japanese ang gumawa ng magagandang tunog na audio -- there are exceptions of course but not the norm.
True that. I never saw a usable amp made in Japan other than the Roland JC series (which was built best for clean). The Cubes are ok too, but for their tube amps, even the Fender Japan models, I did not get as much hard-on compared to the US models.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: bryanarzaga on June 03, 2011, 10:48:19 AM
True that. I never saw a usable amp made in Japan other than the Roland JC series (which was built best for clean). The Cubes are ok too, but for their tube amps, even the Fender Japan models, I did not get as much hard-on compared to the US models.
hybrid ok? the roland bolt has both JC Cleans and a bit of overdrive..
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: neicon27 on June 03, 2011, 10:54:37 AM
question lang... given the choice, would you prefer a guitar locally made? or a guitar made in china?
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: metalheadz on June 03, 2011, 10:55:02 AM
This thread got me thinking. Not to be racist but what if the US hired Chinese to work in an US based factory and vice versa, wouldn't that still count as a China build since they are made by Chinese in the US and American build by Americans in China? Peace. Again, I am not racist, it got me thinking lang :-)
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: bryanarzaga on June 03, 2011, 11:19:27 AM
This thread got me thinking. Not to be racist but what if the US hired Chinese to work in an US based factory and vice versa, wouldn't that still count as a China build since they are made by Chinese in the US and American build by Americans in China? Peace. Again, I am not racist, it got me thinking lang :-)
Quality Control and Consumer laws are far stricter in the US I think. Siguro mas aangat pa rin ng konti. Quality control has always been the issue of the Chinese. But there are Chinese guitars that are of outstanding quality too.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: bluesman_jsb on June 03, 2011, 11:32:37 AM
BOSS PEDALS are mainly manufactured in Taiwan, and Yamaha Guitars too.
I've said Hongkong because Music Stores there such as Tomlee have this kind of great and strong quality control policies as far as i know. You can rely on them when it comes to Epiphone, Gibson, Ibanez, etc. the only thing is, sometimes they double the price :-D
but of course, the great QC will be on us. because the minute you buy those things, you're bound to use it for the rest of your life unless you want to sell it cheap and make somebody's life miserable due to a bad QC you've made :-D
this has nothing to do with racism. everything is facts
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: metalheadz on June 03, 2011, 12:06:20 PM
Quality Control and Consumer laws are far stricter in the US I think. Siguro mas aangat pa rin ng konti. Quality control has always been the issue of the Chinese. But there are Chinese guitars that are of outstanding quality too.
I see. Thanks sa reply, I remember one thread mentioning that out of the million quality guitars there would always be that one that sucks and out of the millions of crappy guitars, there is that 1 that is far above the rest.
Pagalingan nalang siguro sa pagpili ng gitara regardless kung MIJ,MIA or MIC like this guy, he scored :-D
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: shodawmoon on June 03, 2011, 12:10:50 PM
BOSS PEDALS are mainly manufactured in Taiwan, and Yamaha Guitars too.
I've said Hongkong because Music Stores there such as Tomlee have this kind of great and strong quality control policies as far as i know. You can rely on them when it comes to Epiphone, Gibson, Ibanez, etc. the only thing is, sometimes they double the price :-D
but of course, the great QC will be on us. because the minute you buy those things, you're bound to use it for the rest of your life unless you want to sell it cheap and make somebody's life miserable due to a bad QC you've made :-D
this has nothing to do with racism. everything is facts
what?
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: bryanarzaga on June 03, 2011, 12:33:40 PM
This thread got me thinking. Not to be racist but what if the US hired Chinese to work in an US based factory and vice versa, wouldn't that still count as a China build since they are made by Chinese in the US and American build by Americans in China? Peace. Again, I am not racist, it got me thinking lang :-)
i think the discussion was based on country of origin not people..if that was the case..Hahn guitars would made in korea lol..Suhr would be made in germany(rasmussen i have co-workers with this last name)
anyway...i do get it from the cork sniffer side..lets say you were joe passionate builder..you like to build every guitar with your heart and soul..and you look @ your left its a factory that with the help of CNC, puts out more guitars than you..
- if you were joe..you seem disgusted by sight of the output that these places..because it lessens the meaning of the craft to that of an assembly line..meaning the art is gone.. - Q.C would in some cases not be there, because some of these places have unskilled labor..but there are other places in the region that do..
but if you work with the unskilled and show them how to really get in level with you..the results could be surprising
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: bryanarzaga on June 03, 2011, 12:50:47 PM
BOSS PEDALS are mainly manufactured in Taiwan, and Yamaha Guitars too.
i think yamaha has its own factory in china,
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I've said Hongkong because Music Stores there such as Tomlee have this kind of great and strong quality control policies as far as i know. You can rely on them when it comes to Epiphone, Gibson, Ibanez, etc. the only thing is, sometimes they double the price :-D
im not sure about gibson, but when i was there 2010..the prices were off by just a few $US, not much..my SD-1 cost $27 that was new in tom lee..
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but of course, the great QC will be on us. because the minute you buy those things, you're bound to use it for the rest of your life unless you want to sell it cheap and make somebody's life miserable due to a bad QC you've made :-D
i think most shops(retail) have a return policy..here its 30 days..
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: stringman on June 03, 2011, 01:01:08 PM
Quality Control and Consumer laws are far stricter in the US I think. Siguro mas aangat pa rin ng konti. Quality control has always been the issue of the Chinese. But there are Chinese guitars that are of outstanding quality too.
There are Chines guitars and effects being sold in the US. And those products pass the strict US Quality.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: Bolt Thrower on June 03, 2011, 01:05:21 PM
There are Chines guitars and effects being sold in the US. And those products pass the strict US Quality.
we were talking about producing products in the US with Chinese workers---and how it would impact quality. Iba din naman yung QC at Consumer check ng domestic plant compared sa offshore plant.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: teleclem on June 03, 2011, 01:24:20 PM
question lang... given the choice, would you prefer a guitar locally made? or a guitar made in china?
Depende kung paano ginawa. I'm sure a luthier here can build a guitar better than a chinese knockoff. Same applies kung chinese luthier vs cheap philippine knockoff.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: nitroaurora on June 03, 2011, 01:49:18 PM
This thread got me thinking. Not to be racist but what if the US hired Chinese to work in an US based factory and vice versa, wouldn't that still count as a China build since they are made by Chinese in the US and American build by Americans in China? Peace. Again, I am not racist, it got me thinking lang :-)
+1000
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: firemodel55 on June 03, 2011, 02:36:17 PM
I see. Thanks sa reply, I remember one thread mentioning that out of the million quality guitars there would always be that one that sucks and out of the millions of crappy guitars, there is that 1 that is far above the rest.
Pagalingan nalang siguro sa pagpili ng gitara regardless kung MIJ,MIA or MIC like this guy, he scored :-D
I have a high pick rate... and a higher reject rate:)
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: pitongjerome on June 03, 2011, 02:39:06 PM
i think the discussion was based on country of origin not people..if that was the case..Hahn guitars would made in korea lol..Suhr would be made in germany(rasmussen i have co-workers with this last name)
anyway...i do get it from the cork sniffer side..lets say you were joe passionate builder..you like to build every guitar with your heart and soul..and you look @ your left its a factory that with the help of CNC, puts out more guitars than you..
- if you were joe..you seem disgusted by sight of the output that these places..because it lessens the meaning of the craft to that of an assembly line..meaning the art is gone.. - Q.C would in some cases not be there, because some of these places have unskilled labor..but there are other places in the region that do..
but if you work with the unskilled and show them how to really get in level with you..the results could be surprising
oh i see thanks for the clarification :-) if China really surpassed the skillwork and QC of USA, then maybe China would be top notch... sadly they aren't :-(
True that. I never saw a usable amp made in Japan other than the Roland JC series (which was built best for clean). The Cubes are ok too, but for their tube amps, even the Fender Japan models, I did not get as much hard-on compared to the US models.
Skunky, I was thinking... The concept of Chinese made means every component is of lesser quality in both construction and design and most of the time sound. Assuming we only look at labor as the main difference, my Soldano SLO 100 could actually be made in China given the same materials but then... shipping the Deyoung Transformers to China is itself expensive. And storing inventory is also expensive when you can have Deyoung just make the transformers as you need them. Let me tell you a story skunky. When Lito ordered my Soldano, he was leaving California in less than a week. Soldano had less than 3 days to make and ship a SLO with my requested modifications and they delivered with a power supply at 220 volts. Sure, I would have paid more for the labor of the single American who made the amp but if it were made in China, I would have paid for freight (both ways for materials), extra duties (import tariff of the U.S.), brokerage fee (for both sides of the pacific), chinese consultants and interpreters, American expat plane tickets (to check on Chinese quality control), working capital interest due to higher stocks of inventory in china, etc... And at the end of the day, I would not have gotten my Soldano SLO 100 in 3 days.
The second important factor to consider is that US companies will generally refuse to have their premium or best designs made in China for fear of it being copied. Seriously, quite a number of U.S. companies have refused to overseas manufacture because of design theft and piracy and fake reproductions.
So, to be direct, China made amps and guitars are for people who have limited budgets. Its not just about outsourcing lower costs but its about giving an affordable package to those who cannot afford premium gear. Are they products to rave about? Personally, no. Will they get the job done? Most likely. Will they make some people happy? Surely. Will they have longevity? No... no chinese manufactured product ever has.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: skunkyfunk on June 03, 2011, 03:15:15 PM
Skunky, I was thinking... The concept of Chinese made means every component is of lesser quality in both construction and design and most of the time sound. Assuming we only look at labor as the main difference, my Soldano SLO 100 could actually be made in China given the same materials but then... shipping the Deyoung Transformers to China is itself expensive. And storing inventory is also expensive when you can have Deyoung just make the transformers as you need them. Let me tell you a story skunky. When Lito ordered my Soldano, he was leaving California in less than a week. Soldano had less than 3 days to make and ship a SLO with my requested modifications and they delivered with a power supply at 220 volts. Sure, I would have paid more for the labor of the single American who made the amp but if it were made in China, I would have paid for freight (both ways for materials), extra duties (import tariff of the U.S.), brokerage fee (for both sides of the pacific), chinese consultants and interpreters, American expat plane tickets (to check on Chinese quality control), working capital interest due to higher stocks of inventory in china, etc... And at the end of the day, I would not have gotten my Soldano SLO 100 in 3 days.
The second important factor to consider is that US companies will generally refuse to have their premium or best designs made in China for fear of it being copied. Seriously, quite a number of U.S. companies have refused to overseas manufacture because of design theft and piracy and fake reproductions.
So, to be direct, China made amps and guitars are for people who have limited budgets. Its not just about outsourcing lower costs but its about giving an affordable package to those who cannot afford premium gear. Are they products to rave about? Personally, no. Will they get the job done? Most likely. Will they make some people happy? Surely. Will they have longevity? No... no chinese product ever has.
I was also thinking the same thing. No one in the higher spectrum of society would buy a 'luxury' item that has a "Made in China" stamp, even if the product was 100% as good as the made in US/Europe counterpart.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: stringman on June 03, 2011, 04:19:27 PM
we were talking about producing products in the US with Chinese workers---and how it would impact quality. Iba din naman yung QC at Consumer check ng domestic plant compared sa offshore plant.
I think it's the labor of love for the US builders.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: firemodel55 on June 03, 2011, 04:21:22 PM
I was also thinking the same thing. No one in the higher spectrum of society would buy a 'luxury' item that has a "Made in China" stamp, even if the product was 100% as good as the made in US/Europe counterpart.
Just for the record, I have a Line 6 Spider Jam combo made in China. It does what it does and has its use but its NOTHING extraordinary -- its just plain. Like most China made instruments, I ACCEPT the fact that it will be forgotten in time if not totally devalued by next year. Its affordable and thats its number one selling and its utilitarian but no mojo to expect or talk about.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: Bolt Thrower on June 03, 2011, 05:30:43 PM
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: Rmansh on June 03, 2011, 05:45:22 PM
Chinese locals consider their products " Entry-level instruments", if u want a luxury instrument look somewhere else. the problem with most people is that they expect a luxury instrument at china prices. baloney.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: Bolt Thrower on June 03, 2011, 05:54:47 PM
Some are better than entry-level.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: albumin on June 03, 2011, 06:28:10 PM
Chinese locals consider their products " Entry-level instruments", if u want a luxury instrument look somewhere else. the problem with most people is that they expect a luxury instrument at china prices. baloney.
this...
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: burnsbhm on June 03, 2011, 08:17:29 PM
But there is one thing that I am really pissed of when it comes to Chinese products. They are blatantly ripping off branded instruments and passing them of as legit products - parang yung mga Epiphone sa Sta. Mesa at yung Ibanez kuno sa internet. Yung tipong JEM7 for Php10K!
A ayan corksniff na ako. Ibang usapan na yan!
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: cayle on June 03, 2011, 08:21:33 PM
Chinese locals consider their products " Entry-level instruments", if u want a luxury instrument look somewhere else. the problem with most people is that they expect a luxury instrument at china prices. baloney.
Tingin ko eto nga yun. Ika nga, you get what you pay for. Pero there might be a chance (no matter how small) that there will be a diamond in the rough among those MIC guitars.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: bryanarzaga on June 03, 2011, 08:32:19 PM
oh i see thanks for the clarification :-) if China really surpassed the skillwork and QC of USA, then maybe China would be top notch... sadly they aren't
the question would be best asked to the company(not factory) that had those products produced..
but if i was asked to name a product that is made there that can go against a us product..yup Rasmus by Suhr..yeah its that good, are there difference than the US pro one's..sure there is, does it affect playability and sound..nope
The second important factor to consider is that US companies will generally refuse to have their premium or best designs made in China for fear of it being copied. Seriously, quite a number of U.S. companies have refused to overseas manufacture because of design theft and piracy and fake reproductions.
if it can be bought, people will try to replicate it..its a behavioral thing..
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Will they have longevity? No... no chinese manufactured product ever has.
that's odd my m-audio is still working its been 6 years now..
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: cayle on June 03, 2011, 08:35:54 PM
Just keep an open mind, you"ll never know when an MIC guitar or amp will amaze you. :-D
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: teleclem on June 03, 2011, 08:48:24 PM
The second important factor to consider is that US companies will generally refuse to have their premium or best designs made in China for fear of it being copied. Seriously, quite a number of U.S. companies have refused to overseas manufacture because of design theft and piracy and fake reproductions.
I've read about this a lot of times. Some people go over to China and look for factories that are willing to build their designs. But then they get a) items that did not strictly follow their design/wrongly made/etc & b) their designs are ripped off. This alone could probably scare away a discerning builder. Pretty scary.
I'd rather choose Indonesian or Korean over Chinese. For me, their craftsmanship is not yet "there". A Japanese made guitar will probably last longer. And I'm just not a fan of how the mainland Chinese do their business. They will cut corners if they can sell more. The Japanese are more quality driven.
...And maybe the paint they use has some formalin or something toxic. lol
Don't forget MELAMINE!! LoL!!!! :lol:
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Post by: turiguiliano on June 03, 2011, 10:00:35 PM
I'd really like to try an Egnater sir, as I've heard nothing but good things about them :-D
i thought you have the tweaker?
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: acidtest on June 04, 2011, 05:43:21 AM
These are the same people who invented porcelain in their obsession to replicate jade and gunpowder to elixir of life. They didn't come up with jade and elixir but still made something incredible. What will be the equivalent this time around?
they also made this (http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQzSNvP6ef9XLWIzlQcs0NWJyQEwC8N0HDm5cJYipV-_6RpBbhm)
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Post by: albumin on June 04, 2011, 08:42:52 AM
So many people are so obsessed over America this, America that, hanggang sa point na ang jebs nila kamukha na ni Uncle Sam. They don't even think of giving China half a chance to prove its worth as a maker of quality equipment. Not all their equipment is quality, but fcuk that, mafrens, these corksniffers smack of closet racism. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: hollowtech on June 04, 2011, 05:41:34 PM
Quality Control and Consumer laws are far stricter in the US I think. Siguro mas aangat pa rin ng konti. Quality control has always been the issue of the Chinese. But there are Chinese guitars that are of outstanding quality too.
and if i may add..for some people they get the job done.true, us made guitars are better built.that's a given. but if you do the math and consider the price difference, not everybody could afford a us made guitar or would choose one even if they could afford it. i have a friend who owns a us made guitar but admits he likes the tone of my china-made guitar.he says, it even sounds better than our friend's epi (same type) which costs about 4X more. craftmanship and materials are ok. it's not perfect and needed set-up. but then, even pros have their new guitars set-up. now, i wouldn't expect it to be better than us made guitars but i wouldn't be willing to pay top dollar for a guitar either.
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Post by: burnsbhm on June 04, 2011, 10:03:28 PM
These are the same people who invented porcelain in their obsession to replicate jade and gunpowder to elixir of life. They didn't come up with jade and elixir but still made something incredible. What will be the equivalent this time around?
they also made this (http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQzSNvP6ef9XLWIzlQcs0NWJyQEwC8N0HDm5cJYipV-_6RpBbhm)
Vicky Zhao Wei! My kinda Chinese girl along with Cecilia and Maggie Cheung!
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: badongrodrigs on June 04, 2011, 11:19:17 PM
the same reason why some people buy the iphone over those chinese knockoffs...
Wrong. There's a difference between MADE IN CHINA and CLASS A CHINA PRODUCT (knock offs); one is original but China-made, one is a fake.
Quite frankly if we all had plenty of money to spare i don't think anybody would choose a China product over anything. Tell me I'm wrong?
But since the problem of money is there, we compromise by buying MIC, and convince ourselves that the sound difference isn't enough to merit buying the more expensive MIA/MIJ/whatever else.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: challengeofthegobots on June 04, 2011, 11:52:32 PM
Its because they're corksniffers. They believe/claim they can tell the quality of the wine just by sniffing the cork. In this case, they believe they can tell the quality of a particular gear from its country of origin.
I would still rely on my personal evaluation system to avoid lemons: Research before buying (brand, specs, etc.), actual examination, inspection, and testing, and discipline to walk away form the purchase when it has failed the exam. I can't let a label that says MIC stop me from enjoying something that could be good or great.
Wrong. There's a difference between MADE IN CHINA and CLASS A CHINA PRODUCT (knock offs); one is original but China-made, one is a fake.
Quite frankly if we all had plenty of money to spare i don't think anybody would choose a China product over anything. Tell me I'm wrong?
But since the problem of money is there, we compromise by buying MIC, and convince ourselves that the sound difference isn't enough to merit buying the more expensive MIA/MIJ/whatever else.
You're wrong.
I enjoy the disposable nature of cheap gear. Even if I could afford it, like laptops, I can afford changing them every year because I only buy the rebranded MIC generics (MSI/NEO) this i7 laptop I use now is half the price of a vaio with comparable specs. Now I can't live with myself having purchased a vaio (even if I could afford it), when my only intent is to use it through its warranty. Technology today is tomorrow's junk, the money I can spare is still not money I would like to waste.
My MIC Ibby is my "workhorse" guitar aside from it being more comfortable than my MIA Strat, I can beat on it 'til its demise without worry of losing too much investment... its durability has become a bonus. The strat is just there for the "wow MIA, ang pogi mo" sake of it. Although, admittedly the strat sounds better on any day, I rarely use it to preserve it. I recently bought an Ifung for our caretaker's daughter (debut gift yun walang malisya hahaha) in the province for 2+k, and it was a good knock off until you opened it, the display was substandard, but it was a sosyal gift for a small price. Quality takes a backseat in these cases. Life is happier and corksniffers are missing out on this.
Corksniffers are corksniffers, thats it. In a blind test on different days of a guitar or amp of the same brand and unit, I bet they wouldn't be able to tell if its MIC or MIA. Unless, probably when its A/B'd side by side but then again.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: firemodel55 on June 05, 2011, 12:38:04 AM
So many people are so obsessed over America this, America that, hanggang sa point na ang jebs nila kamukha na ni Uncle Sam. They don't even think of giving China half a chance to prove its worth as a maker of quality equipment. Not all their equipment is quality, but fcuk that, mafrens, these corksniffers smack of closet racism. :mrgreen:
What exactly is a MIC piece of gear that you own should be given half the chance?
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: challengeofthegobots on June 05, 2011, 12:45:24 AM
I'm not wrong. Are you telling me that in a utopian world where we are all rich that you will still opt to buy MIC over MIA/MIJ?
Laptops are loads different. For one, their performance aren't based on personal taste, unlike guitars where you and i can claim "I love this MIC tone, bakit ba?" Same with cars and cellphones. They're not really comparable to guitars.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: firemodel55 on June 05, 2011, 12:46:47 AM
and if i may add..for some people they get the job done.true, us made guitars are better built.that's a given. but if you do the math and consider the price difference, not everybody could afford a us made guitar or would choose one even if they could afford it. i have a friend who owns a us made guitar but admits he likes the tone of my china-made guitar.he says, it even sounds better than our friend's epi (same type) which costs about 4X more. craftmanship and materials are ok. it's not perfect and needed set-up. but then, even pros have their new guitars set-up. now, i wouldn't expect it to be better than us made guitars but i wouldn't be willing to pay top dollar for a guitar either.
I have a question -- how many U.S. made guitars have you and your friend tried and owned and how many China made guitars have you and your friend tried and owned?
Since my four U.S. guitars have arrived in Manila their necks have stayed true and have not required ANY set up at all other than my string choice and action preferences. Furthermore when it comes to looks and feel, they don't feel like cheap Chinese guitars. Consequently, since you did not pay top dollar, don't also expect anyone to buy the MIC for top dollar later if and when you decide to sell it some time in the future.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: firemodel55 on June 05, 2011, 12:56:22 AM
Its because they're corksniffers. They believe/claim they can tell the quality of the wine just by sniffing the cork. In this case, they believe they can tell the quality of a particular gear from its country of origin.
I would still rely on my personal evaluation system to avoid lemons: Research before buying (brand, specs, etc.), actual examination, inspection, and testing, and discipline to walk away form the purchase when it has failed the exam. I can't let a label that says MIC stop me from enjoying something that could be good or great.
(The one thing you forgot was that it needed it to sound good and great.)
You're wrong.
I enjoy the disposable nature of cheap gear. Even if I could afford it, like laptops, I can afford changing them every year because I only buy the rebranded MIC generics (MSI/NEO) this i7 laptop I use now is half the price of a vaio with comparable specs. Now I can't live with myself having purchased a vaio (even if I could afford it), when my only intent is to use it through its warranty. Technology today is tomorrow's junk, the money I can spare is still not money I would like to waste.
(Following your logic then you should change your MIC guitar every year.)
My MIC Ibby is my "workhorse" guitar aside from it being more comfortable than my MIA Strat, I can beat on it 'til its demise without worry of losing too much investment... its durability has become a bonus. The strat is just there for the "wow MIA, ang pogi mo" sake of it. Although, admittedly the strat sounds better on any day, I rarely use it to preserve it. I recently bought an Ifung for our caretaker's daughter (debut gift yun walang malisya hahaha) in the province for 2+k, and it was a good knock off until you opened it, the display was substandard, but it was a sosyal gift for a small price. Quality takes a backseat in these cases. Life is happier and corksniffers are missing out on this.
(You don't beat on a good and great sounding guitar -- you respect it. I would even sell off a MIA Strat if it sounds horrible and buy more good sounding MIC Strats if there are any. Tell you what, when you have some of the best MIA guitars in the world, the Ifung will just sit in a corner because its a waste of time and money.)
Corksniffers are corksniffers, thats it. In a blind test on different days of a guitar or amp of the same brand and unit, I bet they wouldn't be able to tell if its MIC or MIA. Unless, probably when its A/B'd side by side but then again.
(Don't need a blindfold test to tell you when something sounds bad. I can pick all the good sounding amps and prove to you that they are either made in europe or in the USA. When it comes to guitars, as I said before, there is a minimum standard and SORRY CHINA DON'T CUT IT.)
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: jupe123 on June 05, 2011, 01:01:47 AM
this seems like an interesting topic :)) gonna reply so i can get updates :evil:
back to the topic: i get why there are corksniffers. theyre the rich people that not only can buy a MIA guitar, but can buy multiple MIA guitars. and they dislike MIC guitars because its of a lesser quality than their MIA guitars. in my opinion, we would all buy multiple MIA guitars if we could (dis mah dream!). MIC is for people like me. the people that cant buy multiple MIA guitars. we can buy maybe one or two but thats it.
p.s. im still poor so all my guitars are all MIC :-P
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: challengeofthegobots on June 05, 2011, 01:04:05 AM
I'm not wrong. Are you telling me that in a utopian world where we are all rich that you will still opt to buy MIC over MIA/MIJ?
Laptops are loads different. For one, their performance aren't based on personal taste, unlike guitars where you and i can claim "I love this MIC tone, bakit ba?" Same with cars and cellphones. They're not really comparable to guitars.
huh? I never said i liked the tone of my MIC better. I liked it for its disposability.
And you were replying to a post regarding iphones so you were implying a general nature not just guitars. Even if i had a lot of money i wouldn't use a 500 peso bill to light up my cigars. So if my purpose was to get a guitar to beat to death then why would I spend $$$ on it. Thats the beauty of MIC's: they're disposable. I'm no longer talking bout quality but the reason why I would prefer MIC. Now if I were to get gear that could double as the family crest then yes I would avoid China.
And nope we don't live in a Utopian world. In a Utopian world you would be right.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: alvinratsim on June 05, 2011, 01:04:47 AM
(The one thing you forgot was that it needed it to sound good and great.)
No they don't always have to. If I were to beat it and use it the way I would be happy to, then tone is secondary. If I were gonna brag about it in a forum and claim it has mystical powers then it would at least have to have good tone.
(Following your logic then you should change your MIC guitar every year.)
Seems you have a hard time following logic.... Technology today is junk tomorrow. The RG of last year is still the RG of this year. But last year I had an i5 now an i7... upgrade. Gets mo na? Gusto mong milk?
(You don't beat on a good and great sounding guitar -- you respect it. I would even sell off a MIA Strat if it sounds horrible and buy more good sounding MIC Strats if there are any. Tell you what, when you have some of the best MIA guitars in the world, the Ifung will just sit in a corner because its a waste of time and money.)
tell you what, when you can understand what you read, I'll throw a party for your guitar, and reserve your a guitar a VIP table at republiq. And tell the DJ to play some house tunes to pay tribute and show respect to your baker.
yes you dont beat on a good and great sounding guitar, you preserve it so you can use it for the right gig. (except for the guitar JM used in MJ's funeral)... but if you knew how to play guitar you would know that practicing beats up your guitar, so why would I waste my good and great sounding guitar on practice?
Don't need a blindfold test to tell you when something sounds bad. I can pick all the good sounding amps and prove to you that they are either made in europe or in the USA. When it comes to guitars, as I said before, there is a minimum standard and SORRY CHINA DON'T CUT IT.
But I'm willing to bet you can't tell the difference between bad and good either. January 2012 ba?
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: badongrodrigs on June 05, 2011, 01:29:46 AM
Firemodel55, I don't know you personally, but i've seen how you post since 2006 when you were still called Oasgomez.
Do you know what your problem is?
Your approach to music is through PERFECT SOUND by HIGH END GEAR. You have all the good sounding gear; top-notch guitars custom made by master builders, high-end amplifiers, possibly gold-plated picks, fur straps and whatever else, because you have invested in them. By all means and purposes, your SOUND should be heavenly, personal tastes aside.
I don't want to preempt anybody, but probably most of the guitar players here approach music in a mixture of GOOD SOUND by GOOD ENOUGH GEAR. And those GOOD ENOUGH gear are never good enough for you. Hence, you always snub your nose at EVERYTHING you think is below your own gear. I'm not saying you don't have the right to brag about your investments; I'm saying that most of the time you brag too much.
And I'm gonna point out the elephant in the room: You are a model example of the coined term in the thread-title "corksniffer". Much like how die-hard audiophiles will frown when hearing music through any medium other than their Hifi systems and vinyls, you will most probably frown when you hear the guitars from most anyone in this forum.
In Harry Potter terms, you're like a cross between Draco Malfoy and a dementor who sucks the good vibes out of people because they don't have the best wands and the fastest broomsticks.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: xaero on June 05, 2011, 01:31:29 AM
Doesn't matter where it's made when you're gonna use it in a venue where pretty much everything sounds like shayt. You'd probably be better off with a segunda-mano where you can go all-out Pete Townshend and put on a good show.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: acidtest on June 05, 2011, 01:34:01 AM
okay.... so for a working musician with 5 kids and ALL the bills he/she needs to pay(500 pesos a night talent fee), Chink made guitar is not acceptable???
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: challengeofthegobots on June 05, 2011, 01:36:58 AM
Doesn't matter where it's made when you're gonna use it in a venue where pretty much everything sounds like shayt. You'd probably better off with a segunda-mano where you can go all-out Pete Townshend and put on a good show.
tumpak!
How I wish I could wank like petey in Sazis or Route 196 without everybody thinking I had too much ganj.... (thats probably a topic that'd be nice for a new thread)
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: Bolt Thrower on June 05, 2011, 04:14:13 AM
buy a guitar that really inspires you to create songs and to go out there gigging. if an ibanez gio or an epiphone gets you there, it's all good. craftsmanship and things breaking down? you can worry about them later---just go fvckin' out there. musicians worth their salt all started that way.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: hollowtech on June 05, 2011, 12:39:03 PM
I have a question -- how many U.S. made guitars have you and your friend tried and owned and how many China made guitars have you and your friend tried and owned?
Since my four U.S. guitars have arrived in Manila their necks have stayed true and have not required ANY set up at all other than my string choice and action preferences. Furthermore when it comes to looks and feel, they don't feel like cheap Chinese guitars. Consequently, since you did not pay top dollar, don't also expect anyone to buy the MIC for top dollar later if and when you decide to sell it some time in the future.
obviously less than you have.i won't argue about the quality of your guitars. but i don't buy guitars with the primary intention of selling them at a good price in the future or for the wow factor.i buy guitars to play and enjoy them.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: hollowtech on June 05, 2011, 12:58:57 PM
Consequently, since you did not pay top dollar, don't also expect anyone to buy the MIC for top dollar later if and when you decide to sell it some time in the future.
I guess that's one thing something MIC really doesn't have compared to higher end stuff - resale value.
It's an important consideration especially if you're the kind of gear buyer that buys and sells gear to afford/ease the next purchase. And I don't get how people say that they don't care about resale value because they buy to play. In rougher times, it will really mean a lot. (And since gas never really goes away.. you never know when you would be willing to sell that piece of gear for another one.) It's practical and prudent to think about resale value. Sure, it shouldn't stop one from buying something that is really great/appropriate but it should be a consideration. With pedals, stuff from china really get low used prices, kahit binili mo pa siya na bnew (in that case, you only get 20-40% back). With higher end stuff, you barely lose, if any, cash.
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Post by: jimy james on June 05, 2011, 04:26:08 PM
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Post by: stringman on June 05, 2011, 07:05:56 PM
US, China, Korea, Indonesia, Philippines, Timbuktu........................ it really doesn't matter as long as you can make that guitar work for your hands and vice versa.
2 types of buyers, the musician and the collector. For the collector, you don't even have the right to dictate to the musician what good gear is. Why? Even the most expensive gear can sound soooooo cheap if the wrong hands are playing it.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: hollowtech on June 05, 2011, 10:29:49 PM
I guess that's one thing something MIC really doesn't have compared to higher end stuff - resale value.
It's an important consideration especially if you're the kind of gear buyer that buys and sells gear to afford/ease the next purchase. And I don't get how people say that they don't care about resale value because they buy to play. In rougher times, it will really mean a lot. (And since gas never really goes away.. you never know when you would be willing to sell that piece of gear for another one.) It's practical and prudent to think about resale value. Sure, it shouldn't stop one from buying something that is really great/appropriate but it should be a consideration. With pedals, stuff from china really get low used prices, kahit binili mo pa siya na bnew (in that case, you only get 20-40% back). With higher end stuff, you barely lose, if any, cash.
i agree, china-made products have lower resale value. but with higher end stuff barely losing value, i don't agree completely. people nowadays are more informed than ever because of the internet. they tend to compare prices before buying. these items have to depreciate at some point. it's no wonder why some items take a long while for somebody to grab from the pm classifieds (until they are repriced) because used items are priced the same or even higher than brand new ones. a vintage item is another story. personally, i would not care about an item's origin as long as it sounds good to me. and honestly i won't think too much about resale value that i would be prevented from buying something i like. i hear it a lot about gears being investments. well, i respect these people's views. but as for real investment, i would take my money somewhere else... peace.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: burnsbhm on June 06, 2011, 01:24:43 AM
okay.... so for a working musician with 5 kids and ALL the bills he/she needs to pay(500 pesos a night talent fee), China made guitar is not acceptable???
According to Alex almost all showbands have bad sound. He even blamed the death of NU to the showbands that have bad live sound according to his standards.
I already asked that to Alex, he never answered it. I guess to him, we working musicians have no right to make a living playing music because we don't have Diezels and Yarrons in live performances.
Come to think of it, almost all professional musicians here and abroad cannot really afford boutique equipment. Even major recording musicians a lot of them rent instruments when playing live and keep their high end gear only for recordings. Nathan East records with a Fodera but tours with a Yamaha. Darrell Abbott plays his custom Dean in the Studio but live he plays his Washburn and standard mass produced Darrell guitars by Dean.
Point is, if boutique and custom instruments or at least equipment that you can already buy a car with is the only standard we should aim, then our music industry in all its facets will die.
Again, as of late, no one have ever criticised me for having bad sound in gigs. That means though I have average equipment, I was able to sustain my career for 17 years. And even if I have that much disposable income, I still would not buy a Baker or a Yarron or a Custom Shop AC30 or an original 59 Les Paul. I'd rather invest that money on my child's education and wedding plans - which is a more noble investment rather than a Yarron. If still I have more disposable income, I'd rather give it to missions and sponsor things for a worthy cause.
I am more concerned with how my money can help me store up riches in heaven. Having a Yarron isn't definitley one of them.
And this concerns me.....why is it that 80% percent of the clientele of super high end and custom shop instruments are not professional working musicians but collectors, lawyers, politicians, doctors AND CORKSNIFFERS?
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: nuno on June 06, 2011, 01:56:53 AM
A bit off topic. My son has a Play Station Portable bought in the US. I was surprised to see that the charger was "Made In The Philippines". And the Class A chargers in Greenhills is made in China. :-D
thats probably from a factory from Phil Economic Zone Authority (PEZA).
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: teleclem on June 06, 2011, 02:03:44 AM
And this concerns me.....why is it that 80% percent of the clientele of super high end and custom shop instruments are not professional working musicians but collectors, lawyers, politicians, doctors AND CORKSNIFFERS?
Because of money :) no other reason.
Kahit steady na steady gigs here locally, mahirap talaga to comfortably buy a couple of topshelf guitars.. And amps.. And pedals. it's gonna be hard to do that even if you're not a fulltime musician (ie. May other source of income). Spending millions (literally) on a hobby is something that an average person doesn't do. Lalo na rin dito.
That said, they're free to do what they want with their money. There are worse things to do with that kind of money..
But then.. Some people have more money than sense. :wink:
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: shodawmoon on June 06, 2011, 02:06:19 AM
According to Alex almost all showbands have bad sound. He even blamed the death of NU to the showbands that have bad live sound according to his standards.
I already asked that to Alex, he never answered it. I guess to him, we working musicians have no right to make a living playing music because we don't have Diezels and Yarrons in live performances.
Come to think of it, almost all professional musicians here and abroad cannot really afford boutique equipment. Even major recording musicians a lot of them rent instruments when playing live and keep their high end gear only for recordings. Nathan East records with a Fodera but tours with a Yamaha. Darrell Abbott plays his custom Dean in the Studio but live he plays his Washburn and standard mass produced Darrell guitars by Dean.
Point is, if boutique and custom instruments or at least equipment that you can already buy a car with is the only standard we should aim, then our music industry in all its facets will die.
Again, as of late, no one have ever criticised me for having bad sound in gigs. That means though I have average equipment, I was able to sustain my career for 17 years. And even if I have that much disposable income, I still would not buy a Baker or a Yarron or a Custom Shop AC30 or an original 59 Les Paul. I'd rather invest that money on my child's education and wedding plans - which is a more noble investment rather than a Yarron. If still I have more disposable income, I'd rather give it to missions and sponsor things for a worthy cause.
I am more concerned with how my money can help me store up riches in heaven. Having a Yarron isn't definitley one of them.
And this concerns me.....why is it that 80% percent of the clientele of super high end and custom shop instruments are not professional working musicians but collectors, lawyers, politicians, doctorsAND CORKSNIFFERS?
probably compensating for something they lack. :lol:
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: keida on June 06, 2011, 02:17:30 AM
Somehow there's a way to connect this with how people buy high end cameras and lenses and use it to shoot chicks on weekends, then shoot the cameras they used, then neatly keep their gear inside dryboxes and all.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: nuno on June 06, 2011, 02:19:33 AM
Tingin ko eto nga yun. Ika nga, you get what you pay for. Pero there might be a chance (no matter how small) that there will be a diamond in the rough among those MIC guitars.
this.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: robo-rat on June 06, 2011, 04:49:04 AM
dapat which is the best china made guitar thread na lang to or something to that extent ...baka naging mas informative pa... nauwi nanaman sa bugso ng damdamin thread e..
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Post by: straightwire on June 06, 2011, 11:00:43 AM
mababa resale value
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: bryanarzaga on June 06, 2011, 11:08:11 AM
dapat which is the best china made guitar thread na lang to or something to that extent ...baka naging mas informative pa... nauwi nanaman sa bugso ng damdamin thread e..
overall package and Q.C probably Rasmus( i hope they keep the pleking part of it..because if they cut that off..thats a bummer).. i havent in my years here tried a Tokai MIC..
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: Letour on June 06, 2011, 01:10:51 PM
According to Alex almost all showbands have bad sound. He even blamed the death of NU to the showbands that have bad live sound according to his standards.
I already asked that to Alex, he never answered it. I guess to him, we working musicians have no right to make a living playing music because we don't have Diezels and Yarrons in live performances.
Come to think of it, almost all professional musicians here and abroad cannot really afford boutique equipment. Even major recording musicians a lot of them rent instruments when playing live and keep their high end gear only for recordings. Nathan East records with a Fodera but tours with a Yamaha. Darrell Abbott plays his custom Dean in the Studio but live he plays his Washburn and standard mass produced Darrell guitars by Dean.
Point is, if boutique and custom instruments or at least equipment that you can already buy a car with is the only standard we should aim, then our music industry in all its facets will die.
Again, as of late, no one have ever criticised me for having bad sound in gigs. That means though I have average equipment, I was able to sustain my career for 17 years. And even if I have that much disposable income, I still would not buy a Baker or a Yarron or a Custom Shop AC30 or an original 59 Les Paul. I'd rather invest that money on my child's education and wedding plans - which is a more noble investment rather than a Yarron. If still I have more disposable income, I'd rather give it to missions and sponsor things for a worthy cause.
I am more concerned with how my money can help me store up riches in heaven. Having a Yarron isn't definitley one of them.
And this concerns me.....why is it that 80% percent of the clientele of super high end and custom shop instruments are not professional working musicians but collectors, lawyers, politicians, doctors AND CORKSNIFFERS?
Ouch! A few bad eggs have ruined me.
And just because Steven Seagal is a LAWman doesn't make him a LAWyer...... :lol:
Don't worry man, no offense taken. You have earned my respect a long time ago. :-D
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Post by: Darkgcleff on June 08, 2011, 01:01:27 AM
dapat which is the best china made guitar thread na lang to or something to that extent ...baka naging mas informative pa... nauwi nanaman sa bugso ng damdamin thread e..
:-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: officebiker on June 08, 2011, 05:59:59 AM
According to Alex almost all showbands have bad sound.
I agree with this.
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He even blamed the death of NU to the showbands that have bad live sound according to his standards.
Totall Bullcrap.
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Come to think of it, almost all professional musicians here and abroad cannot really afford boutique equipment.
Agree.
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Even major recording musicians a lot of them rent instruments when playing live and keep their high end gear only for recordings. Nathan East records with a Fodera but tours with a Yamaha. Darrell Abbott plays his custom Dean in the Studio but live he plays his Washburn and standard mass produced Darrell guitars by Dean.
Or maybe they don't want those precious, historic, sentimental guitars to get all the abuses of touring. Slash doesn't bring his Derrig LP and red Mockingbird anymore. Too much history to get that much abuse.
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Again, as of late, no one have ever criticised me for having bad sound in gigs.
That maybe because they don't care much about how you sound. NOT to say you have a bad sound, but the crowds I see most of the time are after the "cute" vocalist or after dancing. For as long as you can play the current danceable music, then you're good. They don't care if your tone is mediocre or excellent.
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That means though I have average equipment, I was able to sustain my career for 17 years.
A world-recognized luthier once said... "you probably have better equipment today than what those legendary artists used back in the day".
The most recognizable tunes - at least in Rock music - were recorded using production Fenders and Gibsons.
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And this concerns me.....why is it that 80% percent of the clientele of super high end and custom shop instruments are not professional working musicians but collectors, lawyers, politicians, doctors AND CORKSNIFFERS?
Because you're not a collector if you only collect what is available to the vast majority?
This is NOT to criticize or anything. This is giving everyone a different perspective.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: burnsbhm on June 08, 2011, 03:51:05 PM
Or maybe they don't want those precious, historic, sentimental guitars to get all the abuses of touring. Slash doesn't bring his Derrig LP and red Mockingbird anymore. Too much history to get that much abuse.
Definitely. The point is, they are willing to settle for standard equipment for gigs.
That maybe because they don't care much about how you sound. NOT to say you have a bad sound, but the crowds I see most of the time are after the "cute" vocalist or after dancing. For as long as you can play the current danceable music, then you're good. They don't care if your tone is mediocre or excellent. I am pertaining to my bandmates of late, not the audiences. I definitlely will agree that the audience do not care about tone as long as you play their favorite tunes correctly.
A world-recognized luthier once said... "you probably have better equipment today than what those legendary artists used back in the day".
The most recognizable tunes - at least in Rock music - were recorded using production Fenders and Gibsons.
Most definitely. That's why boutique instruments - though some of the best made instruments in the world - are not for most pro musicians either.
Because you're not a collector if you only collect what is available to the vast majority?
It is actually good for the business no doubt, not good for musicians though.
This is NOT to criticize or anything. This is giving everyone a different perspective.
Point very well taken.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: mikki_blinkme on June 08, 2011, 04:12:16 PM
What exactly is a MIC piece of gear that you own should be given half the chance?
I own a couple Ibbys that are MIC. They sound pretty good and mind you, I don't need no Diezel amps to make them sound like something Trey Azagthoth would cut his wrists for. But I respect your opinion, unlike your challenger who seems to have difficulty walking the talk. Pa bikini party bikini party pa siya diyan. Hmph. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: pualux on July 02, 2011, 12:28:57 PM
had some bad experiences with china stuff kaya siguro as much as possible di MIC binibili ko pero I'm not saying I hate MIC stuff, it's just that bad experiences have taught me to avoid them that's all
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: firemodel55 on July 02, 2011, 03:40:13 PM
I agree with this. <I would like to also point out that club owners share the blame for providing crappy P.A.s and instruments.>
Totall Bullcrap. <I would like to clarify that in that specific post, I did say that the major factor was that people were downloading or buying pirated copies of songs that should contribute to the proper promotion of these artists in which NU 107 is one of the casualties because of the smaller base of listeners. e.g. Willie Villarame does not have this problem yet he sells despite of sucky songs.>
Agree.
Or maybe they don't want those precious, historic, sentimental guitars to get all the abuses of touring. Slash doesn't bring his Derrig LP and red Mockingbird anymore. Too much history to get that much abuse. <Kirk Hammet does. And several others so, it does not apply to all touring musicians.>
That maybe because they don't care much about how you sound. NOT to say you have a bad sound, but the crowds I see most of the time are after the "cute" vocalist or after dancing. For as long as you can play the current danceable music, then you're good. They don't care if your tone is mediocre or excellent. <Agree. Look at the current winner of Pinas Got Talent. He won because he was a balut vendor and he could sing as a girl or boy. But to be honest, his voice and his singing could not move me -- para lang siyang tape recorder na walang feeling or confidence.>
A world-recognized luthier once said... "you probably have better equipment today than what those legendary artists used back in the day". <Maybe or Maybe not. I wouldn't call the JB and Lazer stuff as better than back in the day.>
The most recognizable tunes - at least in Rock music - were recorded using production Fenders and Gibsons. <Let me qualify: Golden era Fenders and Gibsons and not 70s or 80s era Philippine Fender and Gibson knockoffs.>
Because you're not a collector if you only collect what is available to the vast majority? < I do not collect. My sole criteria in buying a guitar is sound superiority with character. I do NOT even care about how it looks like. The guitar just has to make 99% of other guitars out there to be inferior for the simple reason that I do NOT have oodles and oodles and money to spend on bad sounding guitars specially if 99% of them sound bad.>
This is NOT to criticize or anything. This is giving everyone a different perspective.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: firemodel55 on July 02, 2011, 04:44:06 PM
probably compensating for something they lack. :lol:
So would you prefer these so-called musicians who work their butts off making music and trying to make a living ENDORSE inferior equipment instead of CORKSNIFFERS telling you what to buy? Kasi kung ganoon lang BUMILI KA NA LANG NG FERNANDO. FERNANDO has a poster of all these so called local musicians you respect standing behind Fernando and all look like that they really don't want to endorse the brand.
I think that this is NOT a fair statement to make -- I mean its not an issue of compensation but rather of choice. I do NOT want to make it a class war but really, the guys who have the money have better opportunities to pick out the better instruments. IT IS A FACT. The are other so called corksniffers and professionals who are richer than me -- way more richer -- but I accept that. It is NOT my fault or anybody's that they are more successful in their choices and endeavors and thus are able to buy unquestionably better equipment than so called local working musicians. If I look at a really successful musician -- Arnel Pineda (net worth of US$15million) -- he is not even a guitarist. If you feel that your current career as a full fledged musician has not garnered you enough wealth -- I too have to educate my kids, have to spend on medical expenses, pay for gas, pay for electricity, etc like everybody else -- by all means change your career or look for a better opportunity. If music is all that you know and are not successful, then live by your means even if that means that you don't get all these high end stuff. But, do NOT put down other people who are more successful than you specially those who are non musicians. Not all so called musicians can play better than lawyers, doctors, professionals etc. You would be surprised.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: spetsnaz1123 on July 02, 2011, 05:16:02 PM
the guys who have the money have better opportunities to pick out the better instruments
I agree, only that people with less money have more talent :-D because they invest their energy in developing their talent and not their wallet.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: jimy james on July 02, 2011, 06:54:51 PM
Quote from: firemodel55
So would you prefer these so-called musicians who work their butts off making music and trying to make a living ENDORSE inferior equipment instead of CORKSNIFFERS telling you what to buy? Kasi kung ganoon lang BUMILI KA NA LANG NG FERNANDO. FERNANDO has a poster of all these so called local musicians you respect standing behind Fernando and all look like that they really don't want to endorse the brand.
I think that this is NOT a fair statement to make -- I mean its not an issue of compensation but rather of choice. I do NOT want to make it a class war but really, the guys who have the money have better opportunities to pick out the better instruments. IT IS A FACT. The are other so called corksniffers and professionals who are richer than me -- way more richer -- but I accept that. It is NOT my fault or anybody's that they are more successful in their choices and endeavors and thus are able to buy unquestionably better equipment than so called local working musicians. If I look at a really successful musician -- Arnel Pineda (net worth of US$15million) -- he is not even a guitarist. If you feel that your current career as a full fledged musician has not garnered you enough wealth -- I too have to educate my kids, have to spend on medical expenses, pay for gas, pay for electricity, etc like everybody else -- by all means change your career or look for a better opportunity. If music is all that you know and are not successful, then live by your means even if that means that you don't get all these high end stuff. But, do NOT put down other people who are more successful than you specially those who are non musicians. Not all so called musicians can play better than lawyers, doctors, professionals etc. You would be surprised.
Arnel Pineda (net worth of US$15million)
he made that much w/ Journey?
then Neal Schon must be a billionaire... :-D
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: shodawmoon on July 03, 2011, 03:00:44 AM
So would you prefer these so-called musicians who work their butts off making music and trying to make a living ENDORSE inferior equipment instead of CORKSNIFFERS telling you what to buy? Kasi kung ganoon lang BUMILI KA NA LANG NG FERNANDO. FERNANDO has a poster of all these so called local musicians you respect standing behind Fernando and all look like that they really don't want to endorse the brand.
I think that this is NOT a fair statement to make -- I mean its not an issue of compensation but rather of choice. I do NOT want to make it a class war but really, the guys who have the money have better opportunities to pick out the better instruments. IT IS A FACT. The are other so called corksniffers and professionals who are richer than me -- way more richer -- but I accept that. It is NOT my fault or anybody's that they are more successful in their choices and endeavors and thus are able to buy unquestionably better equipment than so called local working musicians. If I look at a really successful musician -- Arnel Pineda (net worth of US$15million) -- he is not even a guitarist. If you feel that your current career as a full fledged musician has not garnered you enough wealth -- I too have to educate my kids, have to spend on medical expenses, pay for gas, pay for electricity, etc like everybody else -- by all means change your career or look for a better opportunity. If music is all that you know and are not successful, then live by your means even if that means that you don't get all these high end stuff. But, do NOT put down other people who are more successful than you specially those who are non musicians. Not all so called musicians can play better than lawyers, doctors, professionals etc. You would be surprised.
point taken. may have been to harsh there on my part.
or maybe I'm just sourgraping :lol:
take it easy though. chill. :wink:
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: challengeofthegobots on July 03, 2011, 11:02:28 AM
I own a couple Ibbys that are MIC. They sound pretty good and mind you, I don't need no Diezel amps to make them sound like something Trey Azagthoth would cut his wrists for. But I respect your opinion, unlike your challenger who seems to have difficulty walking the talk. Pa bikini party bikini party pa siya diyan. Hmph. :mrgreen:
someone has some insecurity issues... what exactly is the walk i have to walk? again, i did not make the challenge. poserboy did.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: challengeofthegobots on July 03, 2011, 11:10:28 AM
So would you prefer these so-called musicians who work their butts off making music and trying to make a living ENDORSE inferior equipment instead of CORKSNIFFERS telling you what to buy? Kasi kung ganoon lang BUMILI KA NA LANG NG FERNANDO. FERNANDO has a poster of all these so called local musicians you respect standing behind Fernando and all look like that they really don't want to endorse the brand.
I think that this is NOT a fair statement to make -- I mean its not an issue of compensation but rather of choice. I do NOT want to make it a class war but really, the guys who have the money have better opportunities to pick out the better instruments. IT IS A FACT. The are other so called corksniffers and professionals who are richer than me -- way more richer -- but I accept that. It is NOT my fault or anybody's that they are more successful in their choices and endeavors and thus are able to buy unquestionably better equipment than so called local working musicians. If I look at a really successful musician -- Arnel Pineda (net worth of US$15million) -- he is not even a guitarist. If you feel that your current career as a full fledged musician has not garnered you enough wealth -- I too have to educate my kids, have to spend on medical expenses, pay for gas, pay for electricity, etc like everybody else -- by all means change your career or look for a better opportunity. If music is all that you know and are not successful, then live by your means even if that means that you don't get all these high end stuff. But, do NOT put down other people who are more successful than you specially those who are non musicians. Not all so called musicians can play better than lawyers, doctors, professionals etc. You would be surprised.
...in much the same way you shouldn't put down people who are less successful, who live respectably by their means and find satisfaction in lo-end stuff. And you'd be surprised at how many real musicians who are non-lawyers, doctors, professionals, etc. have as much hgih-end gear as well.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: teleclem on July 03, 2011, 11:31:54 AM
...in much the same way you shouldn't put down people who are less successful, who live respectably by their means and find satisfaction in lo-end stuff. And you'd be surprised at how many real musicians who are non-lawyers, doctors, professionals, etc. have as much hgih-end gear as well.
I put down the low end stuff, not the people. Because there are clearly superior hi-end stuff. Are there are plenty of people here who project their low end stuff as high end when they are clearly not. Hindi ito feel good na kanya kanya... Given that there are real musicians with high-end gear, what do I call the musicians here who whine because they have low end gear? Less successful? If so, they should not take it out on other more successful people.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: challengeofthegobots on July 03, 2011, 01:19:02 PM
I put down the low end stuff, not the people. Because there are clearly superior hi-end stuff. Are there are plenty of people here who project their low end stuff as high end when they are clearly not. Hindi ito feel good na kanya kanya... Given that there are real musicians with high-end gear, what do I call the musicians here who whine because they have low end gear? Less successful? If so, they should not take it out on other more successful people.
they don't whine because they have low end gear, they complain because some rich-kid who can't even play guitar like you pisses on the joy and pride in what they owned and worked hard for. But that's something you will never understand. So let me put in a way that you will understand:
Alex, ang taba mo at pangit ka. Totoo yan, kahit di mo tanggapin. Masakit di ba? Anong magagawa mo at yan ang binigay na muka sa yo? Kahit anong papogi, yon pa lang din ang nakayanan mo. At wala ka nang magagawa.
Now take 30 seconds to savor that thought, and let me know how you feel. You don't make people feel bad about themselves if that's all they can afford or able to reach. You don't gloat to someone starving that you're presently enjoying a five-star meal, that is just mean.
Can you understand that?
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: Mardk on July 04, 2011, 11:07:51 PM
they don't whine because they have low end gear, they complain because some rich-kid who can't even play guitar like you pisses on the joy and pride in what they owned and worked hard for. But that's something you will never understand. So let me put in a way that you will understand:
Alex, ang taba mo at pangit ka. Totoo yan, kahit di mo tanggapin. Masakit di ba? Anong magagawa mo at yan ang binigay na muka sa yo? Kahit anong papogi, yon pa lang din ang nakayanan mo. At wala ka nang magagawa.
Now take 30 seconds to savor that thought, and let me know how you feel. You don't make people feel bad about themselves if that's all they can afford or able to reach. You don't gloat to someone starving that you're presently enjoying a five-star meal, that is just mean.
Can you understand that?
Hahahahahaha. I literally lol'd.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: alvinratsim on July 04, 2011, 11:49:14 PM
Im so IN now
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: Jason on July 04, 2011, 11:55:38 PM
they don't whine because they have low end gear, they complain because some rich-kid who can't even play guitar like you pisses on the joy and pride in what they owned and worked hard for. But that's something you will never understand. So let me put in a way that you will understand:
Alex, ang taba mo at pangit ka. Totoo yan, kahit di mo tanggapin. Masakit di ba? Anong magagawa mo at yan ang binigay na muka sa yo? Kahit anong papogi, yon pa lang din ang nakayanan mo. At wala ka nang magagawa.
Now take 30 seconds to savor that thought, and let me know how you feel. You don't make people feel bad about themselves if that's all they can afford or able to reach. You don't gloat to someone starving that you're presently enjoying a five-star meal, that is just mean.
Can you understand that?
dati si Dwayne Wade ang idol ko... Ngayon ikaw na.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: mikki_blinkme on July 05, 2011, 12:03:29 AM
they don't whine because they have low end gear, they complain because some rich-kid who can't even play guitar like you pisses on the joy and pride in what they owned and worked hard for. But that's something you will never understand. So let me put in a way that you will understand:
Alex, ang taba mo at pangit ka. Totoo yan, kahit di mo tanggapin. Masakit di ba? Anong magagawa mo at yan ang binigay na muka sa yo? Kahit anong papogi, yon pa lang din ang nakayanan mo. At wala ka nang magagawa.
Now take 30 seconds to savor that thought, and let me know how you feel. You don't make people feel bad about themselves if that's all they can afford or able to reach. You don't gloat to someone starving that you're presently enjoying a five-star meal, that is just mean.
Can you understand that?
:-D yan ang banat! :lol:
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: spetsnaz1123 on July 05, 2011, 12:41:04 AM
they don't whine because they have low end gear, they complain because some rich-kid who can't even play guitar like you pisses on the joy and pride in what they owned and worked hard for. But that's something you will never understand. So let me put in a way that you will understand:
Alex, ang taba mo at pangit ka. Totoo yan, kahit di mo tanggapin. Masakit di ba? Anong magagawa mo at yan ang binigay na muka sa yo? Kahit anong papogi, yon pa lang din ang nakayanan mo. At wala ka nang magagawa.
Now take 30 seconds to savor that thought, and let me know how you feel. You don't make people feel bad about themselves if that's all they can afford or able to reach. You don't gloat to someone starving that you're presently enjoying a five-star meal, that is just mean.
Can you understand that?
Ouch...
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: prince22 on July 05, 2011, 01:25:17 AM
they don't whine because they have low end gear, they complain because some rich-kid who can't even play guitar like you pisses on the joy and pride in what they owned and worked hard for. But that's something you will never understand. So let me put in a way that you will understand:
Alex, ang taba mo at pangit ka. Totoo yan, kahit di mo tanggapin. Masakit di ba? Anong magagawa mo at yan ang binigay na muka sa yo? Kahit anong papogi, yon pa lang din ang nakayanan mo. At wala ka nang magagawa.
Now take 30 seconds to savor that thought, and let me know how you feel. You don't make people feel bad about themselves if that's all they can afford or able to reach. You don't gloat to someone starving that you're presently enjoying a five-star meal, that is just mean.
Can you understand that?
Boom goes the dynamite. Good analogy though.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: deathbyexposure on July 05, 2011, 01:38:32 AM
they don't whine because they have low end gear, they complain because some rich-kid who can't even play guitar like you pisses on the joy and pride in what they owned and worked hard for. But that's something you will never understand. So let me put in a way that you will understand:
Alex, ang taba mo at pangit ka. Totoo yan, kahit di mo tanggapin. Masakit di ba? Anong magagawa mo at yan ang binigay na muka sa yo? Kahit anong papogi, yon pa lang din ang nakayanan mo. At wala ka nang magagawa.
Now take 30 seconds to savor that thought, and let me know how you feel. You don't make people feel bad about themselves if that's all they can afford or able to reach. You don't gloat to someone starving that you're presently enjoying a five-star meal, that is just mean.
Can you understand that?
BOOMTOWN.
I remembered a quote I have heard years back. "Go fix your [gooey brown stuff] first before even sniffing someone else's".
IN.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: stringman on July 05, 2011, 05:12:10 AM
Yeah, and some of the corksniffers are fart sniffers. Look what happened to Freekish Blues.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: Bart on July 05, 2011, 05:39:53 AM
......and i think, this is due also of the way they run their business. they dont like to waste any of the stuffs they make as long as they can sell it even if its broken or it has a bit problem( they even know that deep inside)......
This is so true. On an out of topic incident, once, a group of us dined in a Chinese, eat-all-you-can buffet restaurant. We saw an 8-year old kid dipped his forefinger in one dish, licked that finger, then dipped the same finger into another dish to taste it. We were disgusted and lost our appetite. One of my friends approached one of the Chinese staff and reported the incident. She added, 'Please throw away and replace those dishes'. The staff replied that they cannot do that and that they 'don't waste food'. We just walked out of that restaurant.
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Post by: bryanarzaga on July 05, 2011, 06:54:28 AM
@bart im sorry if i dipped my fingers in the chicken dumpling soup..
it was good though
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: Jason on July 05, 2011, 09:33:31 AM
they don't whine because they have low end gear, they complain because some rich-kid who can't even play guitar like you pisses on the joy and pride in what they owned and worked hard for. But that's something you will never understand. So let me put in a way that you will understand: Alex, ang taba mo at pangit ka. Totoo yan, kahit di mo tanggapin. Masakit di ba? Anong magagawa mo at yan ang binigay na muka sa yo? Kahit anong papogi, yon pa lang din ang nakayanan mo. At wala ka nang magagawa.
Now take 30 seconds to savor that thought, and let me know how you feel. You don't make people feel bad about themselves if that's all they can afford or able to reach. You don't gloat to someone starving that you're presently enjoying a five-star meal, that is just mean.
Can you understand that?
And, people accuse me of being an @$$. At any rate, you made a good argument here, despite the fact that looks had nothing to do with playing either.
Thing is, we HEARD him play. We know he sucks at playing because he played, with video. If I heard right, he made an appearance in a meet-off, making him man-enough to show his face. I may not like his attitude towards low-end gears, but, between the two of you, he showed his face.
While you remain all talk. Which, based on your comment above, makes it more and more obvious that YOU are the only one affected and offended by fm55's shenanigans. It makes you seem envious of his gears. And maybe, just maybe, you're uglier than he is.
Because, in all fairness, since he can afford a USD5000 Baker, he can sure as hell change his looks (though, no amount of money can pay for talent). If he does that, where does it leave you?
Do you understand that?
-----
Speaking of which, in the spirit of the thread title (though I'm not sure if China has to do anything with the point I just made and about to make):
There are guitars. There are effects.
But then, there's AJ.
http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=9598262
http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=10738452
http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=10604108
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: gradual nothing on July 07, 2011, 12:22:00 AM
maybe the quality??? but i dont have a problem on things on made in china!=) because almost everything nowadays are assembled on them, and that's the fact you have to accept. :evil:
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: matanglawin on July 07, 2011, 12:34:28 AM
And, people accuse me of being an @$$. At any rate, you made a good argument here, despite the fact that looks had nothing to do with playing either.
Thing is, we HEARD him play. We know he sucks at playing because he played, with video. If I heard right, he made an appearance in a meet-off, making him man-enough to show his face. I may not like his attitude towards low-end gears, but, between the two of you, he showed his face.
While you remain all talk. Which, based on your comment above, makes it more and more obvious that YOU are the only one affected and offended by fm55's shenanigans. It makes you seem envious of his gears. And maybe, just maybe, you're uglier than he is.
Because, in all fairness, since he can afford a USD5000 Baker, he can sure as hell change his looks (though, no amount of money can pay for talent). If he does that, where does it leave you?
Do you understand that?
-----
Speaking of which, in the spirit of the thread title (though I'm not sure if China has to do anything with the point I just made and about to make):
There are guitars. There are effects.
But then, there's AJ.
http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=9598262
http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=10738452
http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=10604108
Chismis yan brad, he wasnt there. If he were, then why didn't I got any notice that he did? I asked him if he was coming that night I got no reply. Even if he came and I did not, the only reason I came back out that night because it was a good chance to get people to come for Lito's fundraiser. If he only said he was coming then I would've. But he didn't say and he didn't come. You think he would pass at the chance to say "Gobots asan ka?, ala ka naman pala e"? susme
This thread is definitely going to be locked but before that Mr. Matalangwin get your insecurities in check, whats my playing got to do with his? C'mon. I said it the first time, I can't play to save my life. But I'd gladly show up if FM55 shows up for his challenge.... he says when, I'll go. And sure I'm all talk, thats what this forum is for right? For talking. The only reason why you're bashing at me is I got on your nerves and pointed out some flaws of your arguments a couple of months back, and you have a hard time being wrong. So I understand that anything I put up now will always be abrasive to you. That's something I can't do anything about anymore.
But here's something you have a hard time understanding: You don't know who I am, and you never will (unless FM55's makes good on his January 2012 or anytime between challenge). And your futile provocation in getting me to show up will get you nowhere. Get FM55 to show up for HIS challenge and you get me.
I closed this account the last time, because FM55 was getting silent, and I knew if I kept silent myself it would draw him back on to this forum. If he keeps silent HIS challenge defaults and he continues being an a$$. If he changes his ways, I 'll keep silent. Look at his posts that are on topic and sterile, do you see me bashing at those few comments? No. But, if he continues his A$$holic ways then, there's a bigger a-hole in town. The kind you'll never know who.
BTW if FM55 changes his face, let's just all pray that he doesn't try and copy yours.
....January 2012...
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: matanglawin on July 07, 2011, 01:55:16 AM
Cheezemeez. Meaning, you were there?
People here said he was there. Were they lying then?
At any rate, yes, WE don;t know who you are. We couldn't really care less who you are. We do appreciate your candor, and your constant effort to prove you exist even though you can't show proof you exist.
You can't even show proof that you can actually play. Again, not that it matters. Which YOU have a hard time understanding.
As for fm55's face or stature, I don't have a problem with it unlike you do. You see, I don't judge people by how they look.
So, go ahead talk. And wait for January 2012. FM55's laughing hard at you right now, because you bit, hook, line, sinker...
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: rowley75 on July 07, 2011, 01:58:45 AM
Chismis yan brad, he wasnt there. If he were, then why didn't I got any notice that he did? I asked him if he was coming that night I got no reply. Even if he came and I did not, the only reason I came back out that night because it was a good chance to get people to come for Lito's fundraiser. If he only said he was coming then I would've. But he didn't say and he didn't come. You think he would pass at the chance to say "Gobots asan ka?, ala ka naman pala e"? susme
This thread is definitely going to be locked but before that Mr. Matalangwin get your insecurities in check, whats my playing got to do with his? C'mon. I said it the first time, I can't play to save my life. But I'd gladly show up if FM55 shows up for his challenge.... he says when, I'll go. And sure I'm all talk, thats what this forum is for right? For talking. The only reason why you're bashing at me is I got on your nerves and pointed out some flaws of your arguments a couple of months back, and you have a hard time being wrong. So I understand that anything I put up now will always be abrasive to you. That's something I can't do anything about anymore.
But here's something you have a hard time understanding: You don't know who I am, and you never will (unless FM55's makes good on his January 2012 or anytime between challenge). And your futile provocation in getting me to show up will get you nowhere. Get FM55 to show up for HIS challenge and you get me.
I closed this account the last time, because FM55 was getting silent, and I knew if I kept silent myself it would draw him back on to this forum. If he keeps silent HIS challenge defaults and he continues being an a$$. If he changes his ways, I 'll keep silent. Look at his posts that are on topic and sterile, do you see me bashing at those few comments? No. But, if he continues his A$$holic ways then, there's a bigger a-hole in town. The kind you'll never know who.
BTW if FM55 changes his face, let's just all pray that he doesn't try and copy yours.
....January 2012...
in that case, IN!!!
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: challengeofthegobots on July 07, 2011, 02:13:01 AM
People here said he was there. Were they lying then?
At any rate, yes, WE don;t know who you are. We couldn't really care less who you are. We do appreciate your candor, and your constant effort to prove you exist even though you can't show proof you exist.
You can't even show proof that you can actually play. Again, not that it matters. Which YOU have a hard time understanding.
As for fm55's face or stature, I don't have a problem with it unlike you do. You see, I don't judge people by how they look.
So, go ahead talk. And wait for January 2012. FM55's laughing hard at you right now, because you bit, hook, line, sinker...
again, whatever helps you sleep better, you obviously are having a hard time.
FM55's laughing, right. as for me i don't have to prove anything because I'm not claiming anything (thats another thing you have a hard time understanding). so whats the proof for? para maniwala ka sa akin... di ko kelangan yun.
who's judging who? i never attacked you, you attacked me. you judged me, enough to make all your brilliant deductions about me. And if you're really not that affected, why all this rage against a someone you have never met?
I'm laughing hard at you right now, because again you bit hook line and sinker yourself... pwera iyak.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: matanglawin on July 07, 2011, 03:06:43 AM
Yes. Keep contradicting yourself.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: gradual nothing on July 07, 2011, 04:53:01 AM
:-) peace brothers.. corksniffers and china made doesn't have anything to do with this..=) guys keep it cool
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: officebiker on July 07, 2011, 05:04:55 AM
Paging Mayor Sara Duterte, we need you to mediate.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: challengeofthegobots on July 07, 2011, 08:17:16 AM
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: matanglawin on July 07, 2011, 02:03:59 PM
Of course it's true. You wouldn't be so emotional about this if it weren't. Everything you've said so far reflects your frustrations.
As for you not claiming anything, sure. When fm55 asked "mas magaling ka sa akin," he was asking a rhetorical question. But like any insecure buffoon, you bit.
wow from the thread title i knew that fm55 and challengeofthegobots would probably slug it out
A probability of zero is still zero. See, even gobots won't have the guts to show up. Also, him waiting for 2012 just shows how he handles futility.
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but i never expected that it would be a three way with matanglawin...
Oh, it's between them. I'm just pointing out the FALLACY of both, and what fun we get from seeing them pretend to slug it out.
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AFAIK fm55 never showed up for the previous challenge that he issued, i read all the threads..
I read somewhere that he did. Regardless, he has a vid. He has shown his fallacy, and despite being proven wrong, is man(?) enough to keep posting. Gobots remains "anonymous" and would keep it that way, so he can continue with his illusion that he's actually good at something.
Now, respect notwithstanding, who would you rather, er, believe? Someone who blows hot air, but you "know," see and hear, or someone who just blows hot air?
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: Taoistguitarist on July 07, 2011, 02:17:32 PM
tama na yan... eto na lang
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: Bart on July 07, 2011, 02:43:19 PM
Of course it's true. You wouldn't be so emotional about this if it weren't. Everything you've said so far reflects your frustrations.
As for you not claiming anything, sure. When fm55 asked "mas magaling ka sa akin," he was asking a rhetorical question. But like any insecure buffoon, you bit.
Keep shooting yourself on the foot.
Check the links and find out.
A probability of zero is still zero. See, even gobots won't have the guts to show up. Also, him waiting for 2012 just shows how he handles futility.
Oh, it's between them. I'm just pointing out the FALLACY of both, and what fun we get from seeing them pretend to slug it out.
I read somewhere that he did. Regardless, he has a vid. He has shown his fallacy, and despite being proven wrong, is man(?) enough to keep posting. Gobots remains "anonymous" and would keep it that way, so he can continue with his illusion that he's actually good at something.
Now, respect notwithstanding, who would you rather, er, believe? Someone who blows hot air, but you "know," see and hear, or someone who just blows hot air?
Again, you are proving yourself to be deficient in the comprehension department. I never claimed anything. That's why you have nothing to require any proof of. I have nothing to prove. I am simply requiring FM55 to prove his BS. That's all. I haven't blown any hot air because I have not claimed anything aside from the fact that I have no skills to prove. Which part of that can't you get?
As for frustrations, well you can call it what you want. It is the same frustrations though you are showing towards me and on an argument you keep resigning to name-calling and character attacks.
What's the video for? to prove I am as much as a man as you are (at least)? Bakit ba sobrang insecure ka? Sige lang, iiyak mo na lahat yan.
In addition, I've never said I was any good at anything. So what's this about creating an illusion about being good at all? That's insecuirty speaking right there.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: deltaslim on July 07, 2011, 03:40:39 PM
Ops... easy lang mga bro... malayong pinsan ko yan. ;-)
Srsly.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: erniebong on July 07, 2011, 03:52:03 PM
at the end of the day "its not the sword but the one who wields the sword". ive seen people who play with us gear play great and ive seen people who play with china gear play great. ive also seen people play bad using both us and china gear.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: masterchoxter on July 07, 2011, 03:54:16 PM
at the end of the day "its not the sword but the one who wields the sword". ive seen people who play with us gear play great and ive seen people who play with china gear play great. ive also seen people play bad using both us and china gear.
agree...
nice to hear from you, bones!
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: spetsnaz1123 on July 07, 2011, 04:04:48 PM
:-D ayos ito...popcorn nga!!
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: Bart on July 07, 2011, 04:24:14 PM
if Fidz = Fidel de Jesus, he's cool i like his playing
he was there, why didnt the other show up..
yep! Fidel. Very melodic, fun, and emotional music from that guy.
Alex was there. We also had a brief discussion about a lot of things. I didn't see anyone else coming up to him except me and some other guys who know him.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: challengeofthegobots on July 07, 2011, 09:42:30 PM
oh so he was there... my bad. I asked if he was coming but he didnt reply. not my fault.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: matanglawin on July 07, 2011, 10:23:57 PM
at the end of the day "its not the sword but the one who wields the sword". ive seen people who play with us gear play great and ive seen people who play with china gear play great.
What do you suppose these links were about?
http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=9598262
http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=10738452
http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=10604108
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ive also seen people play bad using both us and china gear.
yep! Fidel. Very melodic, fun, and emotional music from that guy.
He and AJ has since evolved different playing styles. So far, though, I have yet to see anyone play like AJ does.
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Alex was there. We also had a brief discussion about a lot of things. I didn't see anyone else coming up to him except me and some other guys who know him.
To which, I always make a point to KNOW what I'm saying. Personally, I don't have anything against FM55.
He and AJ has since evolved different playing styles. So far, though, I have yet to see anyone play like AJ does.
To which, I always make a point to KNOW what I'm saying. Personally, I don't have anything against FM55.
Which is the least we can say about;
Why would it matter if he comes or not? Don't you realize you would have had the upper hand just by showing up?
That's rhetorical, btw. At any rate, this is another case of you falling FLAT on your face.
no dude, call it what you want. no upper hand in showing up then. I would have lost my anonymity and there simply would have not been the official "duel" that alex started. That's just being wise. He had all the chances to say he was coming, and he did say he was going to be somewhere else, check the thread.
Now you don't have anything with Alex, why you pickin on me? Oh I know, because I pointed out you are just like us. And you have a hard time dealing with it because its true. Look at everybody else, who chooses to ignore my posts, they're the better ones. As for you, you pose yourself as the better person in all your posts, but look at who can't let it go. Who gets all furious and raging in his posts. C'mon show some respect for yourself man.
Flat on my face or flat on yours? It may hurt but don't take it out on me. Insecurity really gets the better of you.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: matanglawin on July 08, 2011, 01:58:59 AM
And, it, continues.
Till 2012...
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: challengeofthegobots on July 08, 2011, 02:08:11 AM
alright, mr betterman.
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Post by: qroon on July 08, 2011, 02:54:05 AM
I love Betterman!
He he he.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: jamming_papu on July 08, 2011, 03:14:46 AM
yep! Fidel. Very melodic, fun, and emotional music from that guy.
Alex was there. We also had a brief discussion about a lot of things. I didn't see anyone else coming up to him except me and some other guys who know him.
To second this, yes, Alex was there at the Lito Bote fundraising event last time at BBC. I dropped by for a short time at the place to check it out and it was my first time at that bar.
BTT: As long as some Chinese manufacturers wants to win the the market fight by keeping cheap mass produced copies, they will be perceived and branded as such. Cork sniffers has a price-tag line. They would buy a Chinese product if its the best, top-of-the-line product in the world. A lot of Apple products products are Made in China. And they sell very well because of the design and quality of the items. That's a good example. And everything follows, like as much guitar related products. :wink:
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: joel_marcelo on July 08, 2011, 08:04:15 AM
I don't know if you say things like this to gain attention but quite honestly, I know the reason you buy expensive gears is to compensate your playing. I've seen your youtube vids and I can tell that you won't stand a chance to my 13 year old student's playing anyday. Considering she's a girl. :-D
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Post by: superbuni123 on July 08, 2011, 09:15:17 AM
Gurls rawks! :-D
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: bryanarzaga on July 08, 2011, 09:23:57 AM
I don't know if you say things like this to gain attention but quite honestly, I know the reason you buy expensive gears is to compensate your playing. I've seen your youtube vids and I can tell that you won't stand a chance to my 13 year old student's playing anyday. Considering she's a girl. :-D
Based on how he played, he's not compensating for anything, because the sound didn't come out good even with an expensive gear. Everyone (?) here knows that.
@matanglawin how would you describe your bandmates playing?
Well, let's just say I was talking about him (and so far, other SPh guitar players, I have worked with, like Sander Briones and Marvin Bea) when I said this previously:
Good guitar players can imitate anyone. Great guitar players can't be imitated.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: jimy james on July 08, 2011, 04:44:08 PM
Based on how he played, he's not compensating for anything, because the sound didn't come out good even with an expensive gear. Everyone (?) here knows that.
+1000000000000000000000000000000 :lol:
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: Endshiftresign! on July 09, 2011, 09:18:32 AM
OT - it was about guitar. the underwear brand, not the musical instrument, thus the singular form. :lol: langyang billboard na yan malapit sa may LRT edsa station...an insult to every extra rice-eating TNL out there...
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: bryanarzaga on July 09, 2011, 10:46:56 AM
OT - it was about guitar. the underwear brand, not the musical instrument, thus the singular form. :lol: langyang billboard na yan malapit sa may LRT edsa station...an insult to every extra rice-eating TNL out there...
lol good one!
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: churvaopdajubutz on July 20, 2011, 10:51:54 AM
Suko na akech, Fafa Alex. PAGODA COLD WAVE LOTION NA TALAGA AKO!
PAGODA COLD WAVE LOTION!!!!!!!!!!!
Di ko maafford ang mga Gasing mo, Fafa Alex. Wala na akong anda, sira pa ang aking ganda. Narealize ko na kapag di mo afford ang mamahaling Gasing, huwag ka na lang tumugtog.
KAYA MAGBUBUKAS NA AKO NG SARILI KONG PARLOR! AHAHAHAHAAAAAAY! At invited ang lahat ng mga nagpost ditetch na dumaan sa grand opening namin sa January 1, 2012! Bonggang-bonggaaaaahhhh, mga sisteret! Jijinom tayo ng marami hanggang mawarla tayo sa kakatawa! HAAAAAYYYYYY!!!!
Bawal nga pala pumunta ang mga troll! Charot!
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: mikki_blinkme on July 20, 2011, 11:10:49 AM
^^^ bwaaahhahha! :lol: hanep hirit ni chorva. pang Cannes!
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: Jason on July 20, 2011, 03:38:49 PM
Suko na akech, Fafa Alex. PAGODA COLD WAVE LOTION NA TALAGA AKO!
PAGODA COLD WAVE LOTION!!!!!!!!!!!
Di ko maafford ang mga Gasing mo, Fafa Alex. Wala na akong anda, sira pa ang aking ganda. Narealize ko na kapag di mo afford ang mamahaling Gasing, huwag ka na lang tumugtog.
KAYA MAGBUBUKAS NA AKO NG SARILI KONG PARLOR! AHAHAHAHAAAAAAY! At invited ang lahat ng mga nagpost ditetch na dumaan sa grand opening namin sa January 1, 2012! Bonggang-bonggaaaaahhhh, mga sisteret! Jijinom tayo ng marami hanggang mawarla tayo sa kakatawa! HAAAAAYYYYYY!!!!
Bawal nga pala pumunta ang mga troll! Charot!
ok may chumorva na...
IN!
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: challengeofthegobots on July 20, 2011, 05:15:21 PM
may [pichapie] na version na pala ako... flattering hehehehe
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: spetsnaz1123 on July 20, 2011, 05:37:38 PM
OT: Just received an email from a colleague and I am really starting to hate everything from china now, see below
Subject: Fw: Fwd: Chinese Oil-Rig - IMPORTANT
IT APPEARS THAT GLORIA MACAPAGAL ARROYO HAS SOLD THE PHILIPPINES AGAIN.
----- Forwarded Message ----
Dear friends in GK, WAOF, USP4GG, and ALL,
I have included you all in this email thread to make you aware of an eminent threat to the Philippines. In the following month, China is scheduled to install one of the largest oil rigs constructed near the Philippine shores. This will be installed 125 nautical miles from Palawan which is in clear violation of international agreements. According to Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario “any new construction by China in the vicinity of the uninhabited Amy Douglas Bank is a clear violation of the 2002 ASEAN-China Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea."
To Understand What’s At Stake Here:
The following statement shows that the current plans target output to be approx. $50 Billion USD/yr. And that’s the tip of the iceberg with estimates that value the oil and natural gas reserves between $2.9T to north of $29 Trillion Dollars. “The Xinhua report said CNOOC plans to invest 200 billion yuan and drill 800 deepwater wells – which they expect to have an output of an equivalent 500 million barrels of oil by the year 2020. CNOOC believes the South China Sea holds major oil and gas deposits. “
THE STAKES ARE UNPRECEDENTED. I personally believe that if the Philippines/Filipino cannot defend its own territory, secure it natural resources and more importantly, unite when a foreign aggressor threatens our prosperity, then we have drastically misplaced our priorities.
The State of Emergency:
Key Events:
- Chinese Military installations are now operational in the Spratly Islands. They we’re built during GMA’s watch – and they are active NOW.
- Chine has deployed “carrier-killer” anti-ship missles to “counter American influence”
- The US will deploy three warships - USS Chung-Hoon, USS Howard and USNS Safeguard, while the Philippines will pitch in four US-made battleships. War games beginning June 28-July 8 (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/MF24Ae01.html)
- The Chinese Oil-Rig is Scheduled to deployed by July this year
- (More Details on POST 3 Below)
China has maneuvered with great indifference to international law and respect to its neighbors. Their forceful maneuvers and this apparent theft, however, has been largely invisible to many Filipinos. More news is spread about the Vietnamese position on the Spratly’s issue today than the Philippine concern – and the irony is, the oil rig is positioned 125 miles from OUR beach. That is because they have raised clamor while the Filipinos have been DISTURBINGLY SILENT on this robbery. Within weeks, without us coming together, China will have taken our future.
CALL TO ACTION
First, I’d like to thank Loida Nicolas-Lewis for recognizing the stakes at hand and the USP4GG for adopting this cause with passion. Much has taken place in the recent weeks with meetings with the DFA Secretary, Philippine US Ambassador, Several visiting Philippine Secretaries and Congressmen and many key players that Loida has helped to facilitate to ensure we are operating on an informed and aligned basis. Many emails have gone back and forth within the last few days in preparation for a mass protesting initiative to spread awareness. (READ POST 1) I felt it important to bring you all into the loop as you are all community leaders.
I included some POSTS BELOW from our email thread to help give you some background and catch you up.
I am honestly sincerely going to propose stronger actions aside from presenting a position paper or a resolution. I am very serious about mass action, a demonstration at the United Nations and at the Chinese Embassy in Wash DC, at the same time with demonstration in Manila, London, Italy, Amsterdam, Paris, Sydney - wherever there are large Global Filipinos gathered.
We may not have arms, frigates, submarines, missiles. But we have patriotic Filipinos overseas whose income does not depend on politicians and the oligarchy in the Philippines. It is a bold idea but nothing ventured, nothing gained.
China is about to invade the motherland bigtime! We global Filipinos cannot simply write position papers. We must fight, with our numbers, with people power.
This evening, I came from the meeting of our USP4GG-Northern California, gathering my thoughts about one of the most compelling issues in our modern times, the Spratlys. We have discussed so many issues with seriousness but also with so much laugh and fun. When we went home, I am inspired and full of hope. It's early in the morning now but I still have not sleep. I am thinking about the brave, courageous and patriotic Filipinos in our history. When called upon, our heroes and all the other great men did not have a second thought in what they had stand and fought for - for our motherland, the Philippines. Where I was born and raised, I shed light to the freedom and peace that I am now enjoying because these great men died for us to meet this end.
The only thing that will put me to bed is to make a decision as to what I can do to help my country when called upon. It might not bold like calling for a war but I know this will be bold enough to make a difference. I believe, this time, it will be my turn now to show to the whole world that I will do anything to preserve and fight for the freedom that my forefathers had fought for - to whatever it may take.
I will not allow the bullying of these RED CHINESE!!! The Spratly Islands, because of its history, proximity and when speaking of the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), are rightfully ours. It is clear that RED CHINA (as I call it) is undermining us and peace and stability in the region. NO RESPECT just like how they treat our countrymen in their country.
I am not for violence and hostilities. But I am supporting and calling everyone to MASS ACTION all over the world for every Filipinos, any men with Filipino blood, and to all men who believe in righteousness and freedom. The participation of every Vietnamese, Malaysian, Taiwanese, Malaysian, and to all men of any race to join us - can help and will send message to this superpower that the world is in support for a diplomatic and peaceful resolution.
LABAN is the battlecry, if I may!!! Now, that election is over in the Philippines, it is no longer a one political outcry!!! It stands for all of us to FIGHT!!! FIGHT!!FIGHT!!! .
This is now the fitting time and a challenge to ALL FILIPINOS to come and be united... and to ask the support of the whole world. When called upon, I WILL SURELY BE THERE!!! And I know, I WILL NOT BE ALONE!!!
If everything still fails, I will not stop fighting for this - to whatever it may take - even to the last drop of my blood. At that point in time, I will be at peace and sound asleep.
Yes, the arms race is very real. It is difficult to digest that such words are coming out at this time, but it is, at this time, the inevitable reaction that will happen when physical threat is upon us. The Spratlys issue has dragged on for so long - nearly two decades – that it feels surreal that the pivotal moment has come upon the Philippines today. Yes, we are threatened with war. And yes the state of the navy is ill-equipped to size up against the Chinese navy. But these steps are not Psychological Warfare tactics. These are indeed defense preparation tactics because
(1) The billion dollar chinese oil rig to extract our natural resource is to be installed in JULY! The Chinese publication for this link is below.
(2) The LOCATION of this site will be 125 nautical miles from our beaches. (Well within the 200 nautical mile agreement on ocean borders) – Many links on this
(4) And of course, as China takes our resource, they tell the world we are infringing on their rights Headline “China Warns Philippines in South China Sea Dispute”
How innocent, it was just scientific studies: “At a foreign ministry briefing Tuesday, spokesman Hong Lei said the Philippine government should stop publishing “irresponsible statements” that do not match the facts. He added that Chinese vessels were carrying out scientific studies in waters under Chinese jurisdiction and acting in line with the law.”
(5) So Today, the latest headline is of course“Phl sending more troops to Spratlys”
And if there is any doubt in anyone’s head that this Arms Race is talk – another 40B Pesos (approx 1 Billion USD) is being pulled ON TOP of the current military budget for new purchases. For a country screaming poor and lack of resources, it’s a lot to ask for an extra Billion Dollars unless the threat is eminent. Announced 2 days ago:
“Oban said the Hamilton cutter from the United States, which will arrive in the third quarter, initially would be deployed to Palawan, or some 80 nautical miles from Recto Bank—what the administration now uses to refer to Reed Bank—where recent Chinese incursions had been reported.”
For all the diplomacy strategies in place, we must react to defend from Physical threat faster than legal processes as the Chinese have maneuvered to this point with indifference to the law.
Otherwise, it would be like walking down the street, getting mugged at gun point, and asking the thief to “hang on” while we call our lawyer so he would stop.
Ladies and gentlemen, war is upon us.
And on a personal note, I DO NOT want to go on a vacation to Palawan 10 years from now to show my son the beautiful Chinese oil rigs and marvel at the billions of dollars they produce for the Chinese - while trying to figure out how to get more donations to build villages since the Philippines just can’t seem to create enough jobs. I’d rather go to the Philippines 10 years from now and visit my cousin who struck it rich developing 5,000 jobs with some engineering firm innovating in energy sector optimization.
-VonZ.
-------------------------
By the way (in addition to my last email) we should respect but be wary views such as the following. I am not certain if they are just making contrarian positions in the spirit of good old self-motivated political positioning.
Bayan Muna Rep. Teddy Casiño, however, opposes the provision of P40 billion additional budget for the military. He said the additional money for the military should better be spent on schools, health, roads, and other vital public services.
Casiño said the military is just using the dispute in the Spratlys to in the moderniza“They are just using the South China Sea dispute as an excuse for AFP fattening and corruption while the country’s poor are wanting and in dire need of resources. Our conflict with China and other claimant countries in the Spratlys can be resolved peacefully,” he said.
To appeal to your sense of logic, I’d like to point out that the Chinese have “invested” $922 USD for the largest oil rig ever to be set up in the Sprarlys. They “invested” tremendous amounts of money to establish these military installations in the Spratlys. And they BOLDLY went against the global consensus and maritime law to push forward with their “investment.” It is assured, as any prudent businessman will tell you, that they will not stop unless this “investment” produces its target returns. But if we decide to not meet with at least a basic defense posture that includes our military, there is, like Casiño said, a PEACEFUL RESOLUTION that I can think of…we can give up.
-VonZ
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: mikki_blinkme on July 20, 2011, 05:49:32 PM
^^ tsk tsk. pero wala naman tayong magagawa.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: spetsnaz1123 on July 20, 2011, 06:18:50 PM
palagay ko meron...
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: historymaker on July 21, 2011, 02:20:07 AM
OT about the last few posts:
read on "benevolent assimilation"
and they won't even need military action to have their way?
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: stringman on July 21, 2011, 04:56:09 AM
OT: Just received an email from a colleague and I am really starting to hate everything from china now, see below
Subject: Fw: Fwd: Chinese Oil-Rig - IMPORTANT
IT APPEARS THAT GLORIA MACAPAGAL ARROYO HAS SOLD THE PHILIPPINES AGAIN.
----- Forwarded Message ----
Dear friends in GK, WAOF, USP4GG, and ALL,
I have included you all in this email thread to make you aware of an eminent threat to the Philippines. In the following month, China is scheduled to install one of the largest oil rigs constructed near the Philippine shores. This will be installed 125 nautical miles from Palawan which is in clear violation of international agreements. According to Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario “any new construction by China in the vicinity of the uninhabited Amy Douglas Bank is a clear violation of the 2002 ASEAN-China Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea."
To Understand What’s At Stake Here:
The following statement shows that the current plans target output to be approx. $50 Billion USD/yr. And that’s the tip of the iceberg with estimates that value the oil and natural gas reserves between $2.9T to north of $29 Trillion Dollars. “The Xinhua report said CNOOC plans to invest 200 billion yuan and drill 800 deepwater wells – which they expect to have an output of an equivalent 500 million barrels of oil by the year 2020. CNOOC believes the South China Sea holds major oil and gas deposits. “
THE STAKES ARE UNPRECEDENTED. I personally believe that if the Philippines/Filipino cannot defend its own territory, secure it natural resources and more importantly, unite when a foreign aggressor threatens our prosperity, then we have drastically misplaced our priorities.
The State of Emergency:
Key Events:
- Chinese Military installations are now operational in the Spratly Islands. They we’re built during GMA’s watch – and they are active NOW.
- Chine has deployed “carrier-killer” anti-ship missles to “counter American influence”
- The US will deploy three warships - USS Chung-Hoon, USS Howard and USNS Safeguard, while the Philippines will pitch in four US-made battleships. War games beginning June 28-July 8 (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/MF24Ae01.html)
- The Chinese Oil-Rig is Scheduled to deployed by July this year
- (More Details on POST 3 Below)
China has maneuvered with great indifference to international law and respect to its neighbors. Their forceful maneuvers and this apparent theft, however, has been largely invisible to many Filipinos. More news is spread about the Vietnamese position on the Spratly’s issue today than the Philippine concern – and the irony is, the oil rig is positioned 125 miles from OUR beach. That is because they have raised clamor while the Filipinos have been DISTURBINGLY SILENT on this robbery. Within weeks, without us coming together, China will have taken our future.
CALL TO ACTION
First, I’d like to thank Loida Nicolas-Lewis for recognizing the stakes at hand and the USP4GG for adopting this cause with passion. Much has taken place in the recent weeks with meetings with the DFA Secretary, Philippine US Ambassador, Several visiting Philippine Secretaries and Congressmen and many key players that Loida has helped to facilitate to ensure we are operating on an informed and aligned basis. Many emails have gone back and forth within the last few days in preparation for a mass protesting initiative to spread awareness. (READ POST 1) I felt it important to bring you all into the loop as you are all community leaders.
I included some POSTS BELOW from our email thread to help give you some background and catch you up.
I am honestly sincerely going to propose stronger actions aside from presenting a position paper or a resolution. I am very serious about mass action, a demonstration at the United Nations and at the Chinese Embassy in Wash DC, at the same time with demonstration in Manila, London, Italy, Amsterdam, Paris, Sydney - wherever there are large Global Filipinos gathered.
We may not have arms, frigates, submarines, missiles. But we have patriotic Filipinos overseas whose income does not depend on politicians and the oligarchy in the Philippines. It is a bold idea but nothing ventured, nothing gained.
China is about to invade the motherland bigtime! We global Filipinos cannot simply write position papers. We must fight, with our numbers, with people power.
This evening, I came from the meeting of our USP4GG-Northern California, gathering my thoughts about one of the most compelling issues in our modern times, the Spratlys. We have discussed so many issues with seriousness but also with so much laugh and fun. When we went home, I am inspired and full of hope. It's early in the morning now but I still have not sleep. I am thinking about the brave, courageous and patriotic Filipinos in our history. When called upon, our heroes and all the other great men did not have a second thought in what they had stand and fought for - for our motherland, the Philippines. Where I was born and raised, I shed light to the freedom and peace that I am now enjoying because these great men died for us to meet this end.
The only thing that will put me to bed is to make a decision as to what I can do to help my country when called upon. It might not bold like calling for a war but I know this will be bold enough to make a difference. I believe, this time, it will be my turn now to show to the whole world that I will do anything to preserve and fight for the freedom that my forefathers had fought for - to whatever it may take.
I will not allow the bullying of these RED CHINESE!!! The Spratly Islands, because of its history, proximity and when speaking of the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), are rightfully ours. It is clear that RED CHINA (as I call it) is undermining us and peace and stability in the region. NO RESPECT just like how they treat our countrymen in their country.
I am not for violence and hostilities. But I am supporting and calling everyone to MASS ACTION all over the world for every Filipinos, any men with Filipino blood, and to all men who believe in righteousness and freedom. The participation of every Vietnamese, Malaysian, Taiwanese, Malaysian, and to all men of any race to join us - can help and will send message to this superpower that the world is in support for a diplomatic and peaceful resolution.
LABAN is the battlecry, if I may!!! Now, that election is over in the Philippines, it is no longer a one political outcry!!! It stands for all of us to FIGHT!!! FIGHT!!FIGHT!!! .
This is now the fitting time and a challenge to ALL FILIPINOS to come and be united... and to ask the support of the whole world. When called upon, I WILL SURELY BE THERE!!! And I know, I WILL NOT BE ALONE!!!
If everything still fails, I will not stop fighting for this - to whatever it may take - even to the last drop of my blood. At that point in time, I will be at peace and sound asleep.
Yes, the arms race is very real. It is difficult to digest that such words are coming out at this time, but it is, at this time, the inevitable reaction that will happen when physical threat is upon us. The Spratlys issue has dragged on for so long - nearly two decades – that it feels surreal that the pivotal moment has come upon the Philippines today. Yes, we are threatened with war. And yes the state of the navy is ill-equipped to size up against the Chinese navy. But these steps are not Psychological Warfare tactics. These are indeed defense preparation tactics because
(1) The billion dollar chinese oil rig to extract our natural resource is to be installed in JULY! The Chinese publication for this link is below.
(2) The LOCATION of this site will be 125 nautical miles from our beaches. (Well within the 200 nautical mile agreement on ocean borders) – Many links on this
(4) And of course, as China takes our resource, they tell the world we are infringing on their rights Headline “China Warns Philippines in South China Sea Dispute”
How innocent, it was just scientific studies: “At a foreign ministry briefing Tuesday, spokesman Hong Lei said the Philippine government should stop publishing “irresponsible statements” that do not match the facts. He added that Chinese vessels were carrying out scientific studies in waters under Chinese jurisdiction and acting in line with the law.”
(5) So Today, the latest headline is of course“Phl sending more troops to Spratlys”
And if there is any doubt in anyone’s head that this Arms Race is talk – another 40B Pesos (approx 1 Billion USD) is being pulled ON TOP of the current military budget for new purchases. For a country screaming poor and lack of resources, it’s a lot to ask for an extra Billion Dollars unless the threat is eminent. Announced 2 days ago:
“Oban said the Hamilton cutter from the United States, which will arrive in the third quarter, initially would be deployed to Palawan, or some 80 nautical miles from Recto Bank—what the administration now uses to refer to Reed Bank—where recent Chinese incursions had been reported.”
For all the diplomacy strategies in place, we must react to defend from Physical threat faster than legal processes as the Chinese have maneuvered to this point with indifference to the law.
Otherwise, it would be like walking down the street, getting mugged at gun point, and asking the thief to “hang on” while we call our lawyer so he would stop.
Ladies and gentlemen, war is upon us.
And on a personal note, I DO NOT want to go on a vacation to Palawan 10 years from now to show my son the beautiful Chinese oil rigs and marvel at the billions of dollars they produce for the Chinese - while trying to figure out how to get more donations to build villages since the Philippines just can’t seem to create enough jobs. I’d rather go to the Philippines 10 years from now and visit my cousin who struck it rich developing 5,000 jobs with some engineering firm innovating in energy sector optimization.
-VonZ.
-------------------------
By the way (in addition to my last email) we should respect but be wary views such as the following. I am not certain if they are just making contrarian positions in the spirit of good old self-motivated political positioning.
Bayan Muna Rep. Teddy Casiño, however, opposes the provision of P40 billion additional budget for the military. He said the additional money for the military should better be spent on schools, health, roads, and other vital public services.
Casiño said the military is just using the dispute in the Spratlys to in the moderniza“They are just using the South China Sea dispute as an excuse for AFP fattening and corruption while the country’s poor are wanting and in dire need of resources. Our conflict with China and other claimant countries in the Spratlys can be resolved peacefully,” he said.
To appeal to your sense of logic, I’d like to point out that the Chinese have “invested” $922 USD for the largest oil rig ever to be set up in the Sprarlys. They “invested” tremendous amounts of money to establish these military installations in the Spratlys. And they BOLDLY went against the global consensus and maritime law to push forward with their “investment.” It is assured, as any prudent businessman will tell you, that they will not stop unless this “investment” produces its target returns. But if we decide to not meet with at least a basic defense posture that includes our military, there is, like Casiño said, a PEACEFUL RESOLUTION that I can think of…we can give up.
-VonZ
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: rowley75 on July 21, 2011, 06:27:55 AM
boycott na! lol. (although i have 1 chinese guitar i can't let it go of. it plays great for me. talk about a diamond from a bunch of coal)
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: guitarman8294 on July 21, 2011, 07:38:10 AM
Yung mga amps like Line 6 and Laney, if you look at the back may nakalagay na ganito:
Line 6: Designed in USA Made in China Laney: Engineered in UK Made in China
:-D
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: mikki_blinkme on July 21, 2011, 02:31:27 PM
kalokohan yang boycott. patpat at kawayan (kung meron) na lang matitira sa atin sa bahay! :lol:
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: spetsnaz1123 on July 21, 2011, 07:35:10 PM
Thanks for the info. I didn't know this is getting really serious.
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: AnalogKiD on July 23, 2011, 02:05:02 PM
grabe na pang bubully sa atin ng china... bentahan tayo ng laruan na may nakakalason na materyales... mga gatas ng sangol na may nakakalasong kemikal... mga tools na madaling napupudpod ang bakal...
pero ayus lang at hindi ako galit... kasi kasama ko mga friend kong chinese palagi, sakay ako sa mga nice cars nila at you know, tumatambay kami regularly sa starbucks... yeah! madami akong chinese friends! yung isa ngang friend kong chinese may bussines syang... well basta napaka wealthy nila...
ammm... anyways... nagtataka din ako sa mga aktibista na puro "tuta ng kano" ang pinag susulat nila sa lansangan...
di kaya... tuta tayo ng intsik???
Title: Re: Why do corksniffers hate everything that is made in China?
Post by: Roy Pigdester on July 23, 2011, 02:32:38 PM
OMG, I didn't realize na lumadlad na pala si Gobots, este Jubutz.
Punta ako sa opening ng parlor mo, ha. Jam tayo ng Morbid Angel. :mrgreen: