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Title: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: arvie on December 19, 2006, 03:01:40 PM
Mga sirs, question ulit, lam nio na, noob lang aq. Anu ba lamang ng orig sa local na guitar? Tatak lang ba?
Pls response po ah... thx!
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Post by: Poundcake on December 19, 2006, 03:44:41 PM
di ko magets yung thread title.. hehehe :lol:
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Post by: jack in a vox on December 19, 2006, 03:46:47 PM
no offense..
sumakit ulo ko dun pre. it's been a long day :|
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Post by: napalmdog on December 19, 2006, 04:50:56 PM
ang isang lamang ng mga original/branded sa local ay yung quality control
may mga local na gitara na maganda, meron namang sabit. for ex. my rj raven sounds better than my squier strat, pero my friend bought a similar rj guitar and it sounds like crap, buzzes and it cannot be toned properly. although ang ibang brands may inconsistency din sa quality pero hindi kasing sama ng ibang local made guitars
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Post by: abyssinianson on December 20, 2006, 12:29:55 AM
depends if the quality control, workmanship, and attention to detail is comparable. nasa abilidad at materials sa luthier...because sa totoo lang, depende na man sa experience ah. I tried a lot of Mactan guitars back in the day who were made by local guitar makers but they never really peaked my interest. However, when I tried similar ones from smaller guitar manufacturer's such as Andrew White, the sound is different and much better even though he doesn't see as much throughput as other people. Hopefully, the gap would have become closer in recent years since I haven't tried any locally made guitars in almost a decade. Maybe the local luthiers will be able to compete with their foreign counterparts if put side by side.
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Post by: ussfdoc on December 20, 2006, 12:37:20 AM
Hey, some of the local guitars like RJ and Miltone really make some good stuff. I also had an "Ocampo" Telecaster Copy for awhile that was really very good.
Problem here is these "Lumanog" Guitars. They are LP, SG, Strat and Tele copies and most of them are pretty bad.
1. Very bad tuners
2. No truss rods, so you can't adjust the necks
3. Cheap pickups
4. 3 way selector switches on 3 pickup guitars.
5. Did I say bad tuners? Won't stay in tune.
However, they usually do have Fender or Gibson headstock decals on them and some of the Lumanog stores will try and pass them off as the real thing.
Regards,
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Post by: abyssinianson on December 20, 2006, 01:29:19 AM
Doc Rick,
I guess the Lumanog guitars are the same ones that give a lot of local guitar makers a bad rap. Why invest in more time and money to design a better guitar when you can get by marketing a knock-off to people who don't know any better? Sad. Hopefully, more people will want to build guitars the right way in the coming years. It seems that the music scene back home is getting much bigger and better.
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Post by: mahavishnu on December 20, 2006, 01:58:51 AM
That is it in a nutshell!!! You get what you pay for.
Of course, I love my RJ's. I'm obsessed with getting every one they make and they are quality guitars, made right here in the Philippines.
That makes me, an American, feel proud of the Philippines.
Regards,
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Post by: RonnieA on December 20, 2006, 07:52:45 AM
What doc said----Dyahi ako duon ah! Guilty!!!
In reference to the topic. I agree to what the others said: What ever works. Could be an original, could be local. What ever tools that nails down your tone.
Related topic: EVH coulldn't stand the off the shelf guitars. He bought himslef some spare pasrt from Charvel (If i Remember right) Wounded his own pick-up, started tapping on the neck and the rest they say, is history.
Bro, what ever works- If you can get a smile on your face (just like eddie) then you are in sonic heaven! :-D
God Bless You Bro and I wish you well in your pursuit of the perfect tone.
RonnieA
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: ussfdoc on December 20, 2006, 08:19:10 AM
In reference to the topic. I agree to what the others said: What ever works. Could be an original, could be local. What ever tools that nails down your tone.
You got that right. One of the best guitars I ever had was an very old, piece of crap strat body that I found and I stuck a fender after market maple fretboard neck on it. I put 3 texas special single coils in it and 250 pots, left it at one volume and one tone control and slapped gotoh tuners on it.
That was one BAD AYUSS guitar.
I lost the doggone thing and it broke my heart.
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Post by: aya_yuson on December 20, 2006, 10:18:01 AM
Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
I don't know... how 'bout you?
Gotta go....
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Post by: titser_marco on December 20, 2006, 10:33:24 AM
Problem here is these "Lumanog" Guitars. They are LP, SG, Strat and Tele copies and most of them are pretty bad.
1. Very bad tuners
2. No truss rods, so you can't adjust the necks
3. Cheap pickups
4. 3 way selector switches on 3 pickup guitars.
5. Did I say bad tuners? Won't stay in tune.
can i add to the list? ugly frets.
and salesmen who misinform you with specs
not to mention some of the bodies are made either of plywood or very VERY soft wood....... Gemelina or something similar, some are actually finished without drying them out..........
And yes, you do get what you pay for, at least for most of the high end stuff.......
Before you buy, you should do your homework and research..... that way, you can get what you pay for....
Advance Merry Christmas and a Happy New Guitar for next year, guys..........
Chum
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Post by: reckless boy on December 20, 2006, 11:34:31 AM
My SO wonders why I'm so addicted to philmusic. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. THIS SITE AND THE TOPICS, THREADS, and POSTS can be ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS. :lol:
Poor ussfdoc and other non-filipino speaking forumites. Not only do they have to struggle with posts in pinoy language, they now also have to decipher the english ones. :-D
Back to topic - It's been repeated all over various threads and topics, by a number of forumites, but i'd say it again -- what matters is your personal preference. If it sounds good to you, then origin shouldn't matter.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: ussfdoc on December 20, 2006, 11:38:29 AM
THIS SITE AND THE TOPICS, THREADS, and POSTS can be ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS. :lol:
Poor ussfdoc and other non-filipino speaking forumites. Not only do they have to struggle with posts in pinoy language, they now also have to decipher the english ones. :-D
You are right. That's why I'm addicted to this too. It is incredibly funny. Thanks to God my wife is Filipina and can translate the pinoy for me :-D
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Post by: Taoistguitarist on December 20, 2006, 11:52:16 AM
come on! let's join us! :-D
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Post by: superoxy on December 20, 2006, 12:07:35 PM
Cmon guys, the more the manier
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Post by: Al_Librero on December 20, 2006, 12:16:52 PM
both of you three ha. you working as a teamwork or sometimes? it's just a wrong mistake.
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Post by: nuno on December 20, 2006, 12:20:42 PM
its depend on what your ears is talking about. its a base to base casis!
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Post by: ussfdoc on December 20, 2006, 12:52:07 PM
You guys crack me up, LOL
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Post by: titser_marco on December 20, 2006, 01:15:55 PM
Oh come on you guys, let's cut him some slacks. :-D
that'll be a waste, why not buy short pants on the ukay and save for sunny Monday?
YOU WIN! FUNNIEST POST ON TEH THREAD!
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Post by: Kulas on December 20, 2006, 01:47:57 PM
ok, serious reply naman...
are original, or let's say imported guitars better than locally made ones?
most of the time, yes. pero there are some locally made guitars na ayos naman din, and sulit sa pera. kung talagang kulang pa budget mo at talagang kailangan mo na ng gitara, minimum na sana yung RJ. for me sila na yung pinaka-decent na murang guitar.
pero kung makakahintay at makakaipon ka pa ng konte, go for the second-hand made in japan guitars being sold here. most of the time ok ang quality ng MIJ's eh.
so yun, hehe. sana nakatulong, hehe.
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Post by: ussfdoc on December 20, 2006, 01:49:17 PM
RJ all the way!
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Post by: reckless boy on December 20, 2006, 01:50:25 PM
+1 kay sir kulas and sir rick re RJ.
sale ngayon sa RJ, naka advertise na 6k na lang ang flametop na tele... syet nakaka GAS!!!
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Post by: Kulas on December 20, 2006, 01:53:02 PM
oh yeah, sale nga ngayon, sumilip ako sa RJ park square kanina. yung mga set neck LPs nila nasa 12k lang. LP custom looks, gold hardware, poging pogi.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: titser_marco on December 20, 2006, 02:09:25 PM
are original, or let's say imported guitars better than locally made ones?
most of the time, yes. pero there are some locally made guitars na ayos naman din, and sulit sa pera. kung talagang kulang pa budget mo at talagang kailangan mo na ng gitara, minimum na sana yung RJ. for me sila na yung pinaka-decent na murang guitar.
But then again, are RJ's made here in the Philippines? Aren't these guitars manufactured, or machined at least, in Korea or China?
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: Kulas on December 20, 2006, 02:12:11 PM
are original, or let's say imported guitars better than locally made ones?
most of the time, yes. pero there are some locally made guitars na ayos naman din, and sulit sa pera. kung talagang kulang pa budget mo at talagang kailangan mo na ng gitara, minimum na sana yung RJ. for me sila na yung pinaka-decent na murang guitar.
But then again, are RJ's made here in the Philippines? Aren't these guitars manufactured, or machined at least, in Korea or China?
yup, korek ka jan bro. most probably those guitars are made in korea or china. pero at least yung price nila eh medyo local na, hehe.
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Post by: titser_marco on December 20, 2006, 02:18:55 PM
are original, or let's say imported guitars better than locally made ones?
most of the time, yes. pero there are some locally made guitars na ayos naman din, and sulit sa pera. kung talagang kulang pa budget mo at talagang kailangan mo na ng gitara, minimum na sana yung RJ. for me sila na yung pinaka-decent na murang guitar.
But then again, are RJ's made here in the Philippines? Aren't these guitars manufactured, or machined at least, in Korea or China?
yup, korek ka jan bro. most probably those guitars are made in korea or china. pero at least yung price nila eh medyo local na, hehe.
Sakto! A basic RJ strat can cost as low as 5,500 Php. Kakatingin ko lang kanina sa RJ galleria cos i'm like a cartwheel away from that mall hahaha.
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Post by: skunkyfunk on December 20, 2006, 02:36:15 PM
What's matter for me are guitar is maked good, like good sound from strings transmits to the body made wood. It's like, ahhhhhhhhh, good sound. Not imported or local, is matter to me is quality. But problem matters to me is local guitar are not is good quality control, like Sta. Mesa crappola. Very bad parts but prices like cheap Korea and China.
Suggestment buy local guitar for firewood.
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Post by: fred on December 20, 2006, 02:46:51 PM
I'm agree.
:-D
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Post by: ussfdoc on December 20, 2006, 03:18:36 PM
Me three.
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Post by: toybitz on December 21, 2006, 04:52:59 AM
BWAHAHAHA! Alang Joe ka Bro! Ke-aga aga mo akong napahalakhak!
That's wood is risingly expensive for pyro wood!
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Post by: jack in a vox on December 21, 2006, 05:19:34 AM
i think he's pissed out. walang reply eh :P
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Post by: PRSMan on December 21, 2006, 05:33:27 AM
c'mon guys... he made a mistake... he's just like every [sausage], harry, and tom... :-D
as far as local guitars are concerned, you can't take our word for it. try them yourselves and see if you like them. remember, the proof is the pudding!
but seriously, i would bet that our pinoy luthiers -- ari, jun, etc. -- make damn great guitars that can rival other foreign-made guitards. i had a mang rudy guitar once which i really liked. imported doesn't really mean they're better than locally made ones, or those made in china, korea, etc. in my opinion, the difference is probably that there are more duds per X number of china, korea, etc. made guitars than what you'd find if you take the same number of us-made guitars.
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Post by: aya_yuson on December 22, 2006, 12:17:34 PM
Oh, my Gads! Simple cannot annerstang english.
Dipindi talaga sa klasi, eh.
Yes, these are the rules that must be follows.
Watch the parflys dancing... BUT we are close at 12 midnight.
Gotta go....
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Post by: vaisteen2003 on December 22, 2006, 12:47:08 PM
^Ser Paeng, parang tagal nyong nawala ah :lol: o matagal lang ako di nag log in. :lol:
^^ the hardest thing to pack... is a hamster.... (yung sa iba cock/rooster eh. :lol: :lol:)
Di parin nag babalik yung thread starter? :-D
di ah. di lang ako nagpopost. hehe im busy with my new guitar. woot.
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Post by: CARABAO on December 28, 2006, 11:52:51 PM
it's not like he's wrong to his english. it is like being wronged to his expression, y'know.
good spelling by the way. sorry for the off topic, but local guitar is not really better than original ones they say. it is all matter about good tone and good playing, like everyone else here in philmusic. you're getting my point now, isn't it? good! now give me the real answer! okay?? really now? thanks you for the helping mga bros! it's raining wisdom here! :?
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Post by: CARABAO on December 28, 2006, 11:55:23 PM
What's matter for me are guitar is maked good, like good sound from strings transmits to the body made wood. It's like, ahhhhhhhhh, good sound. Not imported or local, is matter to me is quality. But problem matters to me is local guitar are not is good quality control, like Sta. Mesa crappola. Very bad parts but prices like cheap Korea and China.
Suggestment buy local guitar for firewood.
sakit ng tiyan ko dito langya. hahahaahhaa :D :D :D :lol:
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Post by: odalisque on December 29, 2006, 01:39:25 AM
What's matter for me are guitar is maked good, like good sound from strings transmits to the body made wood. It's like, ahhhhhhhhh, good sound. Not imported or local, is matter to me is quality. But problem matters to me is local guitar are not is good quality control, like Sta. Mesa crappola. Very bad parts but prices like cheap Korea and China.
Suggestment buy local guitar for firewood.
sakit ng tiyan ko dito langya. hahahaahhaa :D :D :D :lol:
same here :-D grabe tong thread na to!
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Post by: kimir on December 30, 2006, 10:59:31 AM
some people can be so atrocious. I'm sorry but I dont find making fun of people funny at all, akala mo kung sinong magaling sa english
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Post by: aya_yuson on December 30, 2006, 11:08:02 AM
:lol:
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Post by: aya_yuson on December 30, 2006, 11:10:43 AM
dipindi talaga sa klasi, eh :-D
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Post by: CARABAO on December 30, 2006, 01:30:15 PM
uu nga :) :lol: :-D
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Post by: titser_marco on December 31, 2006, 03:49:58 AM
some people can be so atrocious. I'm sorry but I dont find making fun of people funny at all, akala mo kung sinong magaling sa english
Well, his English is atrocious. Your vocabulary, however, deserves another word.
OK, now I understand the culture prevalent here. Trolls, having a laugh at the expense of others, hayyy. I'd like to see you do that and say to my face what you so confidently typed without the guise of an alternick and anonymity of the internet. So what if his english is spotty? Does that give you the license to ridicule him? Yan ang problema sa mga pinoy, pinagtatawanan ang kapwa sa mga pagkakamali. Instead of helping a brother out, you laugh at him. Tell me, is not that atrocious behavior? If you think not then your mother and father did not raise you right, I don't care who you are. It is not right. You, my friend, are an atrocious person. And you talk about vocab? You can tell the extent of my vocabulary by 2 lines I wrote on a message board? wow! What excellent skills you have! Maybe you're not an atrocious person at all, maybe you're a self centered know it all, either that or your an super Journalist, but I doubt it. I don't think that attack on my vocab was justified, it's what morons do when they have nothing else to argue, they just rant. So happy new year to you, hope you have a lot more laughs in '07 without thinking of the others you step on along the way.
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Post by: titser_marco on December 31, 2006, 09:56:51 AM
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Well, his English is atrocious. Your vocabulary, however, deserves another word.
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I'd like to see you do that and say to my face what you so confidently typed without the guise of an alternick and anonymity of the internet.
Ooh. Scary.
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So what if his english is spotty? Does that give you the license to ridicule him? Yan ang problema sa mga pinoy, pinagtatawanan ang kapwa sa mga pagkakamali. Instead of helping a brother out, you laugh at him.
Well, that's the problem that I see with most Filipinos. They don't have a sense of humor.
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Tell me, is not that atrocious behavior? If you think not then your mother and father did not raise you right, I don't care who you are. It is not right.
So do I. You do love using "atrocious", eh. You use it quite atrociuously in my opinion.
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You, my friend, are an atrocious person. And you talk about vocab? You can tell the extent of my vocabulary by 2 lines I wrote on a message board? wow! What excellent skills you have! Maybe you're not an atrocious person at all, maybe you're a self centered know it all, either that or your an super Journalist, but I doubt it.
Perhaps you're right in claiming that I might have misjudged your lexical capabilities but I'm quite sure that either your proficiency in grammar or proofreading skills are quite substandard. Thanks to your unneccesarily verbose post, I have enough data to come up with such a conclusion.
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I don't think that attack on my vocab was justified, it's what morons do when they have nothing else to argue, they just rant.
I think you lack a preposition, but I digress. If that act was moronic, then what do you think of this?
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Tell me, is not that atrocious behavior? If you think not then your mother and father did not raise you right....
Now this time, I have to read up on some Latin because I'm starting to get tempted by the same falsely erudite bug that bit you. Argumentum ad ____________________. Care to fill the spaces?
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So happy new year to you, hope you have a lot more laughs in '07 without thinking of the others you step on along the way.
I'm sure I'm going to have a lot of laughs, considering the unbelievably rapid decline of language (as opposed to English) proficiency in the Philippines.
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Post by: zasam_4 on December 31, 2006, 10:16:17 AM
:roll:
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Post by: kimir on December 31, 2006, 11:36:45 AM
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Well, that's the problem that I see with most Filipinos. They don't have a sense of humor.
ho hum, if this were true, we wouldn't be having this argument now would we? Since I'm the only one voicing out my opinion on how unfunny this is. As I stated before, people love to laugh at other people, to see fault in others so they can feel better about themselves. I too, admittedly, am guilty with this notion. I find solace in the fact that I have better moral values than at least one person in this world, thank you for showing me this. No matter how you construed the arguments made (And I wont comment on how shallow some of yours are), the fact of the matter is this, laughing at other peoples mistakes are wrong.
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So do I. You do love using "atrocious", eh. You use it quite atrociuously in my opinion.
hmm, argumentum ad _______________. Care to fill in the spaces? BTW, you misspelled atrociously.
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I'm sure I'm going to have a lot of laughs, considering the unbelievably rapid decline of language (as opposed to English) proficiency in the Philippines.
So sad, the Philippines does not need your kind as a contributing member of society. To laugh rather than to help. Despairing indeed.
I cannot take the culture in this place, this will be my last post here.
P.S.
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Ooh. Scary.
How old are you? 10?
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Post by: xavier on December 31, 2006, 12:38:00 PM
Now this time, I have to read up on some Latin because I'm starting to get tempted by the same falsely erudite bug that bit you. Argumentum ad ____________________. Care to fill the spaces?
Hominem!!! Yess. :evil: :evil: I remember my debate lessons. :evil: :lol:
peace. happy new year
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Post by: CARABAO on December 31, 2006, 04:42:34 PM
HONG HONG KOR KOR KORBATOTOR!!! hehehe! HAPPY NEW YEAR! :) :-D
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Post by: Kulas on December 31, 2006, 04:46:33 PM
Mga hayop kayo! Sakit na nang panga ko kakatawa. My only regret is not opening this thread sooner.
+1
pero may best practice na ako bart eh... if a seemingly simple, boring, or inocuous entitled thread gets past 4 or 5 pages, there has to be something going on! so better come on down!!!
asan na ba yung melanie marquez jokes natin? heto, meron ako narinig sa dad ko recently when the family ate out:
Tatay: Waiter, pahingi na ng bill at pakibalot itong tira namin. Waiter: Ok, sir. Pati ba ito sir ibabalot? *points to plates w/ little leftover food* Tatay: Oo, para sa aso namin lahat yan eh. Son: Yehey! Magkakaaso na kami!!!
:-D
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Post by: chito_eoi on January 02, 2007, 06:26:55 PM
me nahugot din ako, sana nakakatawa to!
MAN: Hello, Pegasus KTV?.,, may i speak wd the manager? MGR: Speaking! MAN: Bukas ba kayo ng umaga? MGR: Sarado po sir., Bakit po? MAN: Buksan nyo!!, Nandito pa ko sa loob!!! :-o
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Post by: Taoistguitarist on January 02, 2007, 08:13:13 PM
sus naman kayo! eh talaga namang nakakatawa eh. :-D
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Post by: titser_marco on January 04, 2007, 07:23:45 AM
ho hum, if this were true, we wouldn't be having this argument now would we? Since I'm the only one voicing out my opinion on how unfunny this is. As I stated before, people love to laugh at other people, to see fault in others so they can feel better about themselves. I too, admittedly, am guilty with this notion. I find solace in the fact that I have better moral values than at least one person in this world, thank you for showing me this. No matter how you construed the arguments made (And I wont comment on how shallow some of yours are), the fact of the matter is this, laughing at other peoples mistakes are wrong.
Okay, kids. Recitation time. What do you call a phrase that exhibits an inherent contradiction and incongruity? Do I see any hands?
No matter how you construed the arguments made (And I wont comment on how shallow some of yours are), the fact of the matter is this, laughing at other peoples mistakes are wrong.
Since you started becoming nitpicky about things WHILE proclaiming glaring generalizations, let me play your game by identifying the flukes of two quotes above:
1. "Wont" won't be acceptable in the context of what you said. You need a punctuation somewhere there. Do I see any hands, class?
2. Stylistically, "...the fact of the matter is this" should not have a comma at the end. It should have another punctuation. It starts with a "c".
3. " laughing at other peoples mistakes are wrong." Accuse me of being wrong but this is given the context of our discussion, this is downright hilarious.
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So sad, the Philippines does not need your kind as a contributing member of society. To laugh rather than to help. Despairing indeed.
Another glaring generalization. Strike two! Now who's presenting shallow arguments?
I cannot take the culture in this place, this will be my last post here.
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How old are you? 10?
I just ran your posts (sans quotes) through a Fleisch-Kincaid test , and yours was ranked as writing that would come out of 5th grader. Pretty ameturish, in my opinion. Obviously, that type of test doesn’t quite show your reasoning faculties, which I reckon would reveal a more interesting figure if I were to judge it merely by analyzing the logical structures in your posts here.
Interestingly, I find it “despairing” that someone is leaving the forum after a few posts simply because of ideological, i.e. standards of humor, differences. I appreciate these types of discussions, or if you may, meta-discussions, as they reveal the linguistic, cultural and psychological aspects of forum members – something that I more or less study as a communicologist.
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Post by: Letour on January 04, 2007, 10:10:38 AM
Ok, this is getting a bit out of hand.
Any and all arguments should only involve guitars, amps or effects. I don't see any in the preceding posts.
Please let's stop this. Can't waste too much time reading useless banter. Since the Taiwan earthquake the Internet has been slower than Clapton's Wonderful Tonight. Got used to Trivium's shredding speed.
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Post by: vegetablejoe on January 04, 2007, 10:29:03 AM
Guys, we are just days into a new year. The infamous forum irritant is supposedly gone. Now is the opportune time for all of us to wipe the slate clean and start over.
I made my share of booboos and uncalled-for critcisms in 2006, but I would like to improve myself this year. I hope you too will join me in:
1. not picking on the newbies/noobs;
2. being more tolerant of repetitive questions; (not everyone has the time or speedy connection to search for info for extended periods; and, after all, the search engine here was not working properly for a while) and providing helpful links and leaving out the nasty remarks
3. PM'ing a forumite to suggest changes to his post/thread to improve readability and comprehension; instead of poking fun at him and his post.
Thanks. Peace, y'all. Let's put some meaning into the "Happy New Year" greeting!
Jaime G.
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Post by: Letour on January 04, 2007, 10:41:51 AM
Guys, we are just days into a new year. The infamous forum irritant is supposedly gone. Now is the opportune time for all of us to wipe the slate clean and start over.
I made my share of booboos and uncalled-for critcisms in 2006, but I would like to improve myself this year. I hope you too will join me in:
1. not picking on the newbies/noobs;
2. being more tolerant of repetitive questions; (not everyone has the time or speedy connection to search for info for extended periods; and, after all, the search engine here was not working properly for a while) and providing helpful links and leaving out the nasty remarks
3. PM'ing a forumite to suggest changes to his post/thread to improve readability and comprehension; instead of poking fun at him and his post.
Thanks. Peace, y'all.
Jaime G.
Pare,
I am with you there.
In the end, we are all artists expressing our ideas in a musical format. This is one of the few forums (local at that) that is all about music and for musicians.
There will be an endless supply of newbies and noobs and we should welcome them. The least we should do is to shoot them down because of a grammatical or logical misstep. We should encourage their inquisitiveness to further their new or renewed interest in guitar playing.
I will always acknowledge that I am not an expert and that there will be always people here who know more than me.
That is why logging to Philmusic is an hourly habit for me.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: Taoistguitarist on January 04, 2007, 10:58:54 AM
i guess the best way is to still keep our sense of humor while still being respectfull? In this particular situation maybe it's ok to point out na medyo nakakatawa nga yung pag post nya ng syntax pero welcome him to the forum. kumbaga aminin natin na nakakatawa lang yung post pero tulungan natin sya by addressing his inquiry and really being helpful. that way we will come across as lighthearted fellows that we are.
ultimately nasa pagkakagawa ng gitara yan. kahit imported pa yan or locally made basta mahusay ang components, craftsmanship and maganda ang quality ng wood na ginamit ok na yun!
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: titser_marco on January 04, 2007, 11:18:02 AM
i guess the best way is to still keep our sense of humor while still being respectfull? In this particular situation maybe it's ok to point out na medyo nakakatawa nga yung pag post nya ng syntax pero welcome him to the forum. kumbaga aminin natin na nakakatawa lang yung post pero tulungan natin sya by addressing his inquiry and really being helpful. that way we will come across as lighthearted fellows that we are.
Agree with this and the posts above. I guess I've made too many a snide remark towards some people in this thread.
Pero nakakatawa talaga e.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: reckless boy on January 04, 2007, 11:51:05 AM
+1.
I mean, would any of you (non-noobs) be insulted if some other forumite points out some syntax/grammatical lapse? I certainly wouldn't. ALam naman natin kung sino-sino o anu-anong posts ang may evil intent. Those who posted their quips certainly aren't.
Nakakatawa nga naman talaga. And I'm certain no one here really means to insult the guy, it's just a bunch of forumites having fun. Note that the thread starter didn't complain (or did he? or anyone got PM from him?). Neither did he edit his thread title, not even after 5 pages of 'irrelevant' comments. For all we know, the guy has a sense of humor and is laughing with most of us reading all the posts/side comments. Pero kung nasaktan man sya, mauuna nako sa pag apologize sa hirit.
Finally, a lot of people posted really good and serious replies, including those who have been alleged to have 'poked fun' at the thread title, which further shows that no one here really means to flat-out insult mr. threadstarter's lapses.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: Letour on January 04, 2007, 11:54:32 AM
I mean, would any of you (non-noobs) be insulted if some other forumite points out some syntax/grammatical lapse? I certainly wouldn't. ALam naman natin kung sino-sino o anu-anong posts ang may evil intent. Those who posted their quips certainly aren't.
Nakakatawa nga naman talaga. And I'm certain no one here really means to insult the guy, it's just a bunch of forumites having fun. Note that the thread starter didn't complain (or did he? or anyone got PM from him?). Neither did he edit his thread title, not even after 5 pages of 'irrelevant' comments. For all we know, the guy has a sense of humor and is laughing with most of us reading all the posts/side comments. Pero kung nasaktan man sya, mauuna nako sa pag apologize sa hirit.
Finally, a lot of people posted really good and serious replies, including those who have been alleged to have 'poked fun' at the thread title, which further shows that no one here really means to flat-out insult mr. threadstarter's lapses.
Ang galing mo talaga, Compańero.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: Taoistguitarist on January 04, 2007, 01:42:32 PM
so okay na? talaga? o cge! may jokes pa kayo? :-D
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: poop on January 04, 2007, 01:51:11 PM
IMHO, Safe answer for an inexperienced buyer: Buy the import guitars.
Your chances of getting a lemon will be much less.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: skunkyfunk on January 15, 2007, 10:31:37 AM
Sorry kung nakakaasar post ko hehehe. Anyway, when you try a guitar, listen with your ears, feel with your hands. Don't look at the brand. But use a good amp to have a fair assessment of the guitar.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: burnsbhm on January 15, 2007, 12:21:51 PM
I read the arguments here in this thread and it is really saddening. Although the guy who messed up this thread is gone, I hope it doesn't happen again.
Can I just share my thoughts? Don't want any arguments of course.
We all know that the Philippines is the 3rd largest English speaking country (next to US and UK - at least that's what's being said in the '80s). Sadly these days that reputation isn't evident anymore in everyday life. Many schools have said that students are already failing English subjects or barely passing. During my time, if you fail English, you are an embarassment to your class. Not bragging, just facts.
But the trade off here is that there are a lot of people my age that doesn't want to speak Filipino anymore having this gradiose illusion that they can easily pass off as Americans or Filipinos who are Americanized. I know of one of my classmates who was so good in English that he never spoke to us in Filipino even during lunchtime. Worse, he skips Filipino classes or is simply not paying attention to the teacher. Oh yes, he has almost no locally made thing in his bag except the textbooks and notebooks. He buys cassettes from her sister in the US. He eats his lunch with no rice and never uses spoon - only fork and knife. I remember during our senior high school year he only applied in the Blue Eagle university an nowhere else because he claims it is there that he can truly meet people "equal his intellectual level". He labelled the Green Archer University "posers" and the Golden Tiger University "imbecillic" and the Maroon University "squatters area behind the Blue Eagle University." I graduated in the Golden Tiger University so that makes me an imbecile to him (hehehehehe....). I also remember we were blasting records by the Dawn and Identity Crisis and I can see him making snobbish faces. I don't know where he is now but I hope he is happy in his American World (or if he is in the US well it is the culmination of his everything I guess).
Now these days, a lot of students are way behind spelling, grammar in both English and Filipino. Now this is not to disrespect anyone but this is simply the facts. I don't know who is to blame or what went wrong here. All I know is that even in periodical exams a lot of students answer quizzes, essays in text message language. Imagine the horror of teachers checking test papers in these almost cryptic writings to teachers.
Of course text message language is common to everyone but strangely it has become like your speaking language. I foresaw the eventual backlash of this otherwise cool thing in the early days of text messaging so I made a commitment to not use the system as much as I can - both English and Filipino. My hunch the reason this cryptographic text message language was formulated in order to put as much on then limited to 160 characters in one send - in other words "pagtitipid." So I guess another trade off for convenience eh?
This is just my observation and opinion regarding this matter. Again please I don't want an argument. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Now with regard to guitars, I say that yes our locally made guitars are so inconsistent that it is rare to find good ones. Look at the DON JON tiangges (they are almost at every mall except SM), and see if you can find a well made product there. They once made a copy of the Brian May guitar that looks more like a paddle oar to me. And they once said they are now the distributor of US made Fender Strats. I saw one of these guitars and I just have to roll on the floor laughing my butt off! Have you ever seen a strat with exposed tuning gears? And have you ever seen a US made strat that has a tremolo system that looks like an uninspired version of the Mustang tremolo? And it doesn't even work!
RJ guitars are good for the money though again they have inconsistencies. But at least with the money that you are paying, it is a good buy (rather than that pathetic strat pirate that sells for a low 5 digit!) Kung ganun lang RJ na ako.
I also have to give kudos to our small cottage industry luthiers! They are the beacon of light to the still underdeveloped local guitar industry. I hope the day would come when we don't have to import guitars anymore and have massed produced locally made products that a professional working musician can not only afford but proud to use during gigs and recording sessions. Because as others said in this thread, it doesn't matter where the guitar is made, what matters is if the guitar sounds good, feels good and well made.
With regard to imported made guitars specifically US made guitars, I hope we realize that some manufacturers OVERPRICE their instruments. Sure it sounds good, feels good and well made but if you will do a little researching, the original cost of the instrument is only a fraction of its retail price.
Gibson is notorious for this (pardon me for all you Gibson fans). They sell Gibson Les Paul standard to close to US$3,000.00 when a noted retailer said that its original cost is no more than US$700.00. It is true. Have you ever wondered why Heritage and Guild copies of the Les Paul Standard cost almost 50% less in retailers?
Ed Roman guitars.com are making copies of classic designs with your own options at free or minimal cost for a price lower than the original products. And they are also championing the small manufacturers that makes guitars of solid even exotic wood made in the USA at a fraction of the price of the originals.
It has to be said that during the late '70s Gibson was the comapny responsible for the birth of the Lawsuit Guitar Era. They were suing Japanese companies (Greco - which is actually Ibanez Hoshino, and Tokai) that was able to copy the Les Paul Standard complete to the last detail including the tone.
What is the conclusion of the lawsuit? The Japanese were able to make excellent guitars at lower the price.
Which again complements the observation of this thread - it doesn't matter where is it made but how it is made.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: mikep on January 15, 2007, 05:30:55 PM
They once made a copy of the Brian May guitar that looks more like a paddle oar to me. And they once said they are now the distributor of US made Fender Strats. I saw one of these guitars and I just have to roll on the floor laughing my butt off!
I saw a real bad Ibanez copy at MegaMall last night (It might still be there) and I ask where the guitar was made. The sales guy said Germany! Ibanez from Germany! So I said, "ang galing ng mga Germans. Gagawa ng gitara, walang truss rod man lang." So I ask how much they're selling it for. PhP 8 k! I told him they're selling their fake higher than a real Ibanez from Audiophile, then just left laughing. Who are these trying to fool? I suppose there are those who get swayed by their sales talk because of not knowing any better. Will let the Audiophile guys know about this.
FWIW
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: cowboyfromhell on January 15, 2007, 08:22:51 PM
bro..u know..wala talaga sa gitara un eh..its in the own hands of the axeman..2nd na lang ung brand and everything..if ever kaya dalhin nung axeman ung style niya in whatever guitar he/she uses is the real deal..good luck tol sa guitar life :evil:
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: blue buddha on January 16, 2007, 07:39:36 PM
This was a hysterically funny thread. But the above image/joke is quite nasty . Here's some food for thought -- an email that's been going around which just happened to show up just after I read the thread. Worth reading to make one think before one speaks:
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How do you treat a fellow human being?
What would you do? . . . . you make the choice. Don't look for a punch line, there isn't one. Read it anyway. My question is: Would you have made the same choice?
At a fundraising dinner for a school that serves learning-disabled children, the father of one of the students delivered a speech that would never be forgotten by all who attended. After extolling the school and its dedicated staff, he offered a question: "When not interfered with by outside influences, everything nature does is done with perfection. Yet my son, Shay, cannot learn things as other children do. He cannot understand things as other children do. Where is the natural order of things in my son?"
The audience was stilled by the query.
The father continued. "I believe that when a child like Shay, physically and mentally handicapped comes into the world, an opportunity to realize true human nature presents itself, and it comes in the way other people treat that child."
Then he told the following story:
Shay and his father had walked past a park where some boys Shay knew were playing baseball. Shay asked, "Do you think they'll let me play?" Shay's father knew that most of the boys would not want someone like Shay on their team, but the father also understood that if his son were allowed to play, it would give him a much-needed sense of belonging and some confidence to be accepted by others in spite of his handicaps.
Shay's father approached one of the boys on the field and asked (not expecting much) if Shay could play. The boy looked around for guidance and said, "We're losing by six runs and the game is in the eighth inning. I guess he can be on our team and we'll try to put him in to bat in the ninth inning."
Shay struggled over to the team's bench and, with a broad smile, put on a team shirt. His Father watched with a small tear in his eye and warmth in his heart. The boys saw the father's joy at his son being accepted. In the bottom of the eighth inning, Shay's team scored a few runs but was still behind by three. In the top of the ninth inning, Shay put on a glove and played in the right field. Even though no hits came his way, he was obviously ecstatic just to be in the game and on the field, grinning from ear to ear as his father waved to him fro the stands. In the bottom of the ninth inning, Shay's team scored again. Now, with two outs and the bases loaded, the potential winning run was on base and Shay was scheduled to be next at bat.
At this juncture, do they let Shay bat and give away their chance to win the game? Surprisingly, Shay was given the bat. Everyone knew that a hit was all but impossible because Shay didn't even know how to hold the bat properly, much less connect with the ball.
However, as Shay stepped up to the plate, the pitcher, recognizing that the other team was putting winning aside for this moment in Shay's life, moved in a few steps to lob the ball in softly so Shay could at least make contact. The first pitch came and Shay swung clumsily and missed. The pitcher again took a few steps forward to toss the ball softly towards Shay. As the pitch came in, Shay swung at the ball and hit a slow ground ball right back to the pitcher.
The game would now be over. The pitcher picked up the soft grounder and could have easily thrown the ball to the first baseman. Shay would have been out and that would have been the end of the game.
Instead, the pitcher threw the ball right over the first baseman's head, out of reach of all team mates. Everyone from the stands and both teams started yelling, "Shay, run to first! Run to first!" Never in his life had Shay ever run that far, but he made it to first base. He scampered down the baseline, wide-eyed and startled.
Everyone yelled, "Run to second, run to second!" Catching his breath, Shay awkwardly ran towards second, gleaming and struggling to make it to the base. By the time Shay rounded towards second base, the right fielder had the ball ... the smallest guy on their team who now had his first chance to be the hero for his team. He could have thrown the ball to the second-baseman for the tag, but he understood the pitcher's intentions so he, too, intentionally threw the ball high and far over the third-baseman's head. Shay ran toward third base deliriously as the runners ahead of him circled the bases toward home.
All were screaming, "Shay, Shay, Shay, all the Way Shay". Shay reached third base because the opposing shortstop ran to help him by turning him in the direction of third base, and shouted, "Run to third! Shay, run to third!"
As Shay rounded third, the boys from both teams, and the spectators, were on their feet screaming, "Shay, run home! Run home!" Shay ran to home, stepped on the plate, and was cheered as the hero who hit the grand slam and won the game for his team.
That day", said the father softly with tears now rolling down his face, "the boys from both teams helped bring a piece of true love and humanity into this world".
Shay didn't make it to another summer. He died that winter, having never forgotten being the hero and making his father so happy and coming home and seeing his Mother tearfully embrace her little hero of the day!
AND NOW A LITTLE FOOTNOTE TO THIS STORY: We all send thousands of jokes through the e-mail without a second thought, but when it comes to sending messages about life choices, people hesitate. The crude, vulgar, and often obscene pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion about decency is too often suppressed in our schools and workplaces.
If you're thinking about forwarding this message, chances are that you're probably sorting out the people in your address book who aren't the "appropriate" ones to receive this type of message. Well, the person who sent you this believes that we all can make a difference.
We all have thousands of opportunities every single day to help realize the "natural order of things." So many seemingly trivial interactions between two people present us with a choice: Do we pass along a little spark of love and humanity or do we pass up those opportunities and leave the world a little bit colder in the process?
A wise man once said every society is judged by how it treats it's least fortunate amongst them.
You now have two choices: 1. Delete this 2. Forward the message
May your day, be a Shay Day!
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: new_guitarist on January 16, 2007, 08:28:14 PM
Im not AGAINTS locally made guitars but lets be honest guys!! if a friend will give you a guitar and you have 2 choices....a fender american standard and an RJguitar without the benefit of playing it through an amp ....im sure youll choose..........THE FENDERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR so i guess if budget is not an issue..Id rather buy an imported guitar...and to to prove my point...ilang percent ba ng gigging guitarist dito sa atin use as their MAIN AXE ..ang gumagamit ng RJ compared sa FENDER,IBANEZ,GIBSON or ESP etc...I guess it will be so small..!! IKAW KAIBIGAN ANO MAIN GUITAR MO sa gig?? locally made ba?? :-D
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: marzi on January 16, 2007, 08:42:36 PM
kung may gig ako cguradong gagamitin ko na ung dame! panalo e!
tpos hindi ako mahihiyang ipakita ang nag iisang boston engineering pedal na binili ko!
gaya nga ng sabi nila dito:
"Nasa Injan yan, wala sa pana"
pero di pa naman ako ganun ka-talented kaya aral uli ako dito...
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: fade319 on January 17, 2007, 01:37:54 AM
May nagtanong kung sino dito gumagamit ng local na gitara sa gig...
Ako!
Impaka... (in fact, uh...)
Sa unang album nung Wdouji na nag-ngangalang Ground Zero, ang gitarang gamit ko, gawang RJ.
Yun lang nga, tinakpan ko ng sticker yung tatak ng RJ. He he he....
Ngayon naman, my main guitar, in fact, my ONLY guitar, is a custom-made hollowbody archtop made by Mang Fredo Oyao.
sir may number ka ni sir fred? intrestred din me magpacustom sana sa kanya... tnx may pics ka bossing ng guitar mo? intrested me kasi isaw ur guitar its like an emperor model of joe pass...ganda galing ng details, pulido... i'll be glad hearing from u sir... :-D
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: aya_yuson on January 17, 2007, 10:19:40 AM
Problema lang kay Mang Fredo, wala siyang telepono.
Sobrang poor kasi. (yuh-hh-ck!) Pero di nga, sobrang hirap, lang telepono.
Dati sa iskwater area sa Litex sila nakatira, kaso na-demolish daw yung sa kanila. Di ko alam kung saan na siya ngayon.
Yung gitara ko, maganda nga. Pero hindi Joe Pass model ang pinag-basehan kundi ang Emperor Regent.
Yung Joe Pass Emperor, built-in to the top ang pick-ups. Yung Emperor Regent (at yung sa akin), floating pick-up.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: napalmdog on January 17, 2007, 11:35:22 AM
Quote
Sa unang album nung Wdouji na nag-ngangalang Ground Zero, ang gitarang gamit ko, gawang RJ.
wala na kong makitang copy nyan sir... sana mag release pa kayo. its a classic :-D
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: jazhombie on January 17, 2007, 11:52:20 AM
Problema lang kay Mang Fredo, wala siyang telepono.
Sobrang poor kasi. (yuh-hh-ck!) Pero di nga, sobrang hirap, lang telepono.
Dati sa iskwater area sa Litex sila nakatira, kaso na-demolish daw yung sa kanila. Di ko alam kung saan na siya ngayon.
Yung gitara ko, maganda nga. Pero hindi Joe Pass model ang pinag-basehan kundi ang Emperor Regent.
Yung Joe Pass Emperor, built-in to the top ang pick-ups. Yung Emperor Regent (at yung sa akin), floating pick-up.
syang idol ko pa man yung pag kayari ng guitar nyo... if bili ka rin kasi ng mibang lumbas n model ngyn, wla rin wood finish n katulad ng sayo sir na affordablr at mganda... niwet +100000 sa ground zero ihave that cd and recommended to my friends...thumbs up pra kay sir aya n wudouji!!!
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: Poundcake on January 17, 2007, 12:57:19 PM
kung may gig ako cguradong gagamitin ko na ung dame! panalo e!
tpos hindi ako mahihiyang ipakita ang nag iisang boston engineering pedal na binili ko!
gaya nga ng sabi nila dito:
"Nasa Injan yan, wala sa pana"
pero di pa naman ako ganun ka-talented kaya aral uli ako dito...
eh imported din naman yang mga yan ah.. di pa rin local yan hehe :)
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: Taoistguitarist on January 17, 2007, 01:23:21 PM
ako main guitar ko japayuki! dati pure MIJ pero pinalitan ko ng body na philippine made! :-D
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: Kulas on January 17, 2007, 01:30:45 PM
sakin lang ah. locally made production guitars, like lumanog, don jon, etc. etc. medyo panget talaga. pero yung mga custom made na local, yung mga discipulo, derecho, elegee, etc. etc. matindi. kaya nga lang one can't have a purely local guitar. maybe acoustic pwede pa. pero kung electric, majority of the local parts lang would be the wood. ako wala akong masasabi sa quality ng wood sa pinas, maganda talaga. pati woodwork ng mga pinoys panalo. pero sad to say, we really are behind pa when it comes to electronics (yung production quality ah) kasi i realized na kaya ng ibang luthiers mag-wind ng sarili nilang pickups.
so yun, conclusion ko. oo, imported guitars are of higher quality, generally. pero yung mga custom made na local guitars, pag umunlad yung industry na yun, i'm pretty sure panlaban na rin.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: skunkyfunk on January 17, 2007, 02:12:44 PM
sakin lang ah. locally made production guitars, like lumanog, don jon, etc. etc. medyo panget talaga. pero yung mga custom made na local, yung mga discipulo, derecho, elegee, etc. etc. matindi. kaya nga lang one can't have a purely local guitar. maybe acoustic pwede pa. pero kung electric, majority of the local parts lang would be the wood. ako wala akong masasabi sa quality ng wood sa pinas, maganda talaga. pati woodwork ng mga pinoys panalo. pero sad to say, we really are behind pa when it comes to electronics (yung production quality ah) kasi i realized na kaya ng ibang luthiers mag-wind ng sarili nilang pickups.
so yun, conclusion ko. oo, imported guitars are of higher quality, generally. pero yung mga custom made na local guitars, pag umunlad yung industry na yun, i'm pretty sure panlaban na rin.
IMO, our local woods are too dense so they might not be the best for conventional designs. But for bass guitar, a lot swear by our woods. Parang exotic woods ang dating. I like our local mahogany though - pretty close to African. But I like Honduran mahogany more though.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: aya_yuson on January 17, 2007, 07:51:17 PM
sakin lang ah. locally made production guitars, like lumanog, don jon, etc. etc. medyo panget talaga. pero yung mga custom made na local, yung mga discipulo, derecho, elegee, etc. etc. matindi. kaya nga lang one can't have a purely local guitar. maybe acoustic pwede pa. pero kung electric, majority of the local parts lang would be the wood. ako wala akong masasabi sa quality ng wood sa pinas, maganda talaga. pati woodwork ng mga pinoys panalo. pero sad to say, we really are behind pa when it comes to electronics (yung production quality ah) kasi i realized na kaya ng ibang luthiers mag-wind ng sarili nilang pickups.
so yun, conclusion ko. oo, imported guitars are of higher quality, generally. pero yung mga custom made na local guitars, pag umunlad yung industry na yun, i'm pretty sure panlaban na rin.
IMO, our local woods are too dense so they might not be the best for conventional designs. But for bass guitar, a lot swear by our woods. Parang exotic woods ang dating. I like our local mahogany though - pretty close to African. But I like Honduran mahogany more though.
+ :-) :-) :-)
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: marzi on January 17, 2007, 09:06:38 PM
kung may gig ako cguradong gagamitin ko na ung dame! panalo e!
tpos hindi ako mahihiyang ipakita ang nag iisang boston engineering pedal na binili ko!
gaya nga ng sabi nila dito:
"Nasa Injan yan, wala sa pana"
pero di pa naman ako ganun ka-talented kaya aral uli ako dito...
eh imported din naman yang mga yan ah.. di pa rin local yan hehe :)
hahahahaaa :lol: oo nga pla!!!
na-"gotcha" ako dun!
pero para sa price iisipin mo na locally made na sya diba? cguro kung di lang natin alam na china or korean made yan mga yan iisnabin din yan ng ibang gitarista e...pero since ginamit na sya ni sir francis mejo nakilala na nga... kung hanggang ngyn gumagamit parin sya ng rj cguradong mabenta parin rjs ngyn....
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: Poundcake on September 27, 2007, 05:59:37 PM
Wala lang, I just stumbled upon this as I was browsing through the older threads.
Up! Mabuhay ang original electric guitars! :lol:
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: Kulas on September 27, 2007, 06:08:00 PM
na-miss mo yung thread na 'to ah, hehe.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: sonnyrayvaughn on September 27, 2007, 06:43:43 PM
uy nabuhay!!
legendary na tong thread na to ah.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: arvie on September 27, 2007, 09:35:42 PM
haha! :-D parang naglalabasan ata mga noob threads ko! :-D
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: zasam_4 on September 27, 2007, 09:59:33 PM
katamad basahin yung thread ulit haba kasi replies... ano na bale sagot dito? Is an original electric guitar matters than local? :-D
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: arvie on September 27, 2007, 10:04:19 PM
nyaha! di ko na rin alam sagot eh, nakalimutan ko rin lagay ng poll! hehe! :-D
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: sonnyrayvaughn on September 27, 2007, 10:06:40 PM
Ano na plans for the 1st year anniversary on Dec 19? May kainan ba? KFC tayo para....
"Is Original Recipe matters than Hot and Crispy?"
:-D
Bwahahaha!
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: r/min on October 02, 2007, 09:27:19 PM
:evil: ano nga ulit ung tanong......hehe..kng hobby lng khit ano go..pero kng sessionista artist etc. ka nd hanap mo trabaho..un ung getting the gig nd keeping the gig kelangan mo ng branded xempwe..packaging dn xempwe..pero xempre kuha ka nung swak sau nd swak sa tugtugan nyo!!
ayus lng yan men!! :-D
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: abyssinianson on October 03, 2007, 03:50:06 AM
mother of god... grammar, boy! proper grammar! of you expect to "gets" a proper answer, at the very least, learn to ask a question properly. posting on a forum ain't like getting charged text messages.
here are a few n00b pointers: -guitars are more than just "tatak." if they were, the best looking logo would - theoretically - be the best guitar, dig? -you don't need a brand name guitar to sound good...however, you DO need a well made guitar to sound good. quality usually correlates with cost, brand and sound because quality control, R&D and a bunch of other things related to production of instruments comes into the equation. -try everything. just because something ain't a Gibson or some other big name doesn't mean it sin't worth trying. who knows? you might find a great sounding guitar for next to peanuts in cost!
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: eders19 on October 03, 2007, 09:56:48 AM
sa lahat ng mga bagong pasok sa forum... hindi bawal mag-tagalog (or Bisaya basta may makaintindi sa yo. Siguro naman meron dito sa forums na marunong kahit konti. Meron nga ba?).
kung ano okay sa tenga at sa kamay mo yun yung okay.
now i shall drink the glass of a water! let's all go to the America City in da Bostone, Kalipornya. this thread is the championship!
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: sigjoys on October 03, 2007, 10:28:55 AM
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Quote from: deltaslim on Kahapon at 02:20:02 PM Ano na plans for the 1st year anniversary on Dec 19? May kainan ba? KFC tayo para....
"Is Original Recipe matters than Hot and Crispy?"
Bwahahaha!
mcdo nalang tapos order tayong regular yum with cheese :-D
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: badongrodrigs on December 13, 2007, 09:11:38 PM
LOL i-angat nga naten to. :lol:
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: fraudulentzodiac on December 13, 2007, 09:50:13 PM
:lol:
it's thread is alive! :lol:
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: Poundcake on December 13, 2007, 10:24:36 PM
Oh yes, it's alive.... and it matters than local!!! Malapit na ang first year anniversary nitong legendary thread na to! :lol:
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: Hellghast on December 13, 2007, 10:36:12 PM
i do have a locally made B.C.RICH Beast copy (only smaller in size :lol:)
the neck looks horrible... feels horrible.... had to change the pups... changed the tuners..... changed the bridge...
now it sounds sweet. :) till now ginagamit ko parin cya kahit may orig bcrich nako kasi i do really like the tone I'm getting from it despite the horrible neck. :-D
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: jun_gats on December 13, 2007, 10:52:46 PM
depends on the matials and luthier :-D
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: toybitz on December 14, 2007, 01:53:46 AM
hahahaha! binuhay pa eto oh!!
napak sport din nun threadstarter...never impressed is anger so slow.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: vaisteen2003 on December 14, 2007, 02:07:52 AM
I suggest that the next Guitar Central t-shirt should bear this thread's title. :D
hehehe!! classic!
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: deltaslim on December 14, 2007, 09:45:47 AM
panalo rin ito:
"DO YOU CONSIDER SPEED ONLY AS A MEASURE OF THE BEST?"
and anything where Oas is the threadstarter talking about his new stuff... guaranteed #1 hit!
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: ubersam on December 14, 2007, 10:06:07 AM
But what is the really more importance of the matter issue is really that it is the celebrating of the anniversary for the posting original of the question one year ago. No more importance really for what is the local in comparable with the what is the original.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: badongrodrigs on December 14, 2007, 03:14:02 PM
But what is the really more importance of the matter issue is really that it is the celebrating of the anniversary for the posting original of the question one year ago. No more importance really for what is the local in comparable with the what is the original.
ugh. my head...hahaha
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: arvie on December 14, 2007, 10:00:06 PM
malapit na anniversary ng thread na to! haha! :lol:
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: edalbkrad on December 15, 2007, 01:58:38 AM
i saw the new RJ guitars. They are definitely now in the same league with imported guitars. except for pickups maybe. ganda na ng kahoy ng rj ngaun :-D
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: toybitz on December 15, 2007, 02:43:15 AM
i saw the new RJ guitars. They are definitely now in the same league with imported guitars. except for pickups maybe. ganda na ng kahoy ng rj ngaun :-D
so...RJay Guitarrs are gooder in the now than the history...
i wonder for the species of wood and grass in compostion for the SGee...
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: leech on December 15, 2007, 03:41:08 AM
so...RJay Guitarrs are gooder in the now than the history...
i wonder for the species of wood and grass in compostion for the SGee...
da beats op graynce are ismooter dan eber! wil B? :-D
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: Chito on December 15, 2007, 04:08:41 AM
But is not the RJ local anymore? Aren't made in China now?
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: ubersam on December 15, 2007, 04:36:49 AM
The RJ is the new that I here'd only nowadays today, just right now asamatterofack. In the old days of my youthness, I never here'd the RJ, only the DZRJ. And now the RJ is the also a local anymore guitar lutheran (FYI that is the meaning is maker of the guitar). So, are they make the RJ eclectic guitar local anymore, or is the making of the RJ in another country anymore?
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: aya_yuson on December 15, 2007, 10:19:28 AM
You're not a boy anymore, you're a man anymore!
Tu big pingger tamz hap por dis trayd. Itz zo inkhrehydibhol!
(Don't say pramis to me.)
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: marzi on December 15, 2007, 02:09:02 PM
i dont understanding this?
you, you, the both op yu! talk is very illiteracy rate op da Pipilins!
what a shameful!
BTW, happy anniversary sa thread na ito!
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: markx3000 on December 15, 2007, 02:19:46 PM
depende sau ung tol pero mas maganda ung may name na sa guitar making industry tulad ng ibanez, gibson, fender, esp. lahat naman ng branded na guitars ay may cheaper counter part tulad ng ibanez ang ibanez ay may cheaper counterpart un ay ang ibanez GIO, sa fender naman squire, sa gibson epiphone. ang masusugest ko sau pre bili ka na ng may quality sure tatagal at maiinspired ka tumugtog just like me a successful shredder bow.
NO TEXTSPEAK ALLOWED HERE.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: marzi on December 15, 2007, 06:05:00 PM
sticky na this! :lol:
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: Lahed92801 on December 15, 2007, 06:39:51 PM
Huh?! Wat is dat? Is dat yor tang? No, no... wait, wait... not the tingger, not the tingger, not the tingger....
... ahhhh...
... YES, THE TINGGER!
YU PANSIT EATING MADERHAMPER YU, ______ NG ______!!!
Weyt a minut, let mi wayp yor mowt....
FADERMADER!!! MAY BREYN O_O
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: deltaslim on December 15, 2007, 11:18:35 PM
ewan ko kung napansin nyo pero may bagong word na dinagdag sa tagalog dictionary: "mamser" - a generic reference to a couple but applicable to either gender (ie, mom/sir). you often hear it when you are in a tiangge or divisoria. eg, "Yes, mamser, para sa kanila po? Pili lang po... "
pansinin nyo next time sa mga tindahan...
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: abyssinianson on December 15, 2007, 11:26:12 PM
ewan ko kung napansin nyo pero may bagong word na dinagdag sa tagalog dictionary: "mamser" - a generic reference to a couple but applicable to either gender (ie, mom/sir). you often hear it when you are in a tiangge or divisoria. eg, "Yes, mamser, para sa kanila po? Pili lang po... "
pansinin nyo next time sa mga tindahan...
hahaha! i heard about that. granted I haven't been sa 'Pinas in a long time but that was something I was told to watch out for because it is such an odd phenomenon. When I get a chance to visit home, I will make sure to watch out for the infamous,"Mamser."
this reminds me of that chick that sang "Keys me (Kiss Me)" on a local variety show - my God, my stomach was hurting so much from laughing and cringing that I couldn't take very much of the original performance, or the interviews that followed that debacle.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: Poundcake on December 15, 2007, 11:50:11 PM
May variant pa ng "mamser" ah... Pag naunang nakita nung sekyu or salesman/saleslady yung lalaki, pwede ring "sermam" pero mas madalas yung "mamser" :lol:
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: bokyo on December 16, 2007, 05:33:53 AM
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this reminds me of that chick that sang "Keys me (Kiss Me)" on a local variety show - my God, my stomach was hurting so much from laughing and cringing that I couldn't take very much of the original performance, or the interviews that followed that debacle.
hahahah si alyssa alano ba yun? eto yung link http://youtube.com/watch?v=lBiL-EzvFn0 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=lBiL-EzvFn0)
oo ,saka si RR ng wowoee galing din haha idol! i've been called "mamser". i thought the vendor said "hamster"
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: farleysbeat on December 16, 2007, 08:28:33 AM
oo ,saka si RR ng wowoee galing din haha idol! i've been called "mamser". i thought the vendor said "hamster"
hahaha! :lol:
OT: btw sir, what software did you use to make your avatar?
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: BlackDiamond on December 16, 2007, 08:44:56 AM
Firstly before the secondmost, according the best betterment of my opinion, the newbeast should be information that if they was not comforter in used of the English language, no one are prohibition to be usage our National language which were Filipino. Why not included this on the rules and regulators? :-D
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: bokyo on December 16, 2007, 12:54:19 PM
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oo ,saka si RR ng wowoee galing din haha idol! i've been called "mamser". i thought the vendor said "hamster"
hahaha! cheesy
OT: btw sir, what software did you use to make your avatar?
OT:photoshop bro!
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: PRSMan on December 16, 2007, 01:05:26 PM
On a slightly more serious note...
... I do think that the English speaking ability of Filipinos has really gone down the toilet. Whenever I contact customer service (like for AT&T who's my service provider), I know when the agent I reached is from their Philippine operation -- laging sablay ang English and may "uhm, uhm" every four words!
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: akosimic on December 16, 2007, 01:45:12 PM
... I do think that the English speaking ability of Filipinos has really gone down the toilet. Whenever I contact customer service (like for AT&T who's my service provider), I know when the agent I reached is from their Philippine operation -- laging sablay ang English and may "uhm, uhm" every four words!
i have to agree with prsman. and at times i am guilty of the uhm part hehe.
i recently had to edit some videos of schoolmates simulating an english newscast (broadcasting ang subject). man ang sakit ng ulo ko nung binabasa ko mga scripts nila (majority at least)...at sumakit lalo ang ulo ko nung nakita ko yung corresponding video. :-o
on a lighter side, 3 araw nalang at happy anniv! :-D
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: jaythegame on December 16, 2007, 03:49:30 PM
anatagal na pala nitong thread na to.. :-P dati nakikita ko lang at mukhang nageenjoy ang lahat dite eh.. hehe
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: deltaslim on December 16, 2007, 05:34:20 PM
... I do think that the English speaking ability of Filipinos has really gone down the toilet. Whenever I contact customer service (like for AT&T who's my service provider), I know when the agent I reached is from their Philippine operation -- laging sablay ang English and may "uhm, uhm" every four words!
Tell me about it.
Electronics store sign in Fairview...
"Why going to Raon when Raon goes to you?"
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: titser_marco on December 16, 2007, 05:59:01 PM
... I do think that the English speaking ability of Filipinos has really gone down the toilet. Whenever I contact customer service (like for AT&T who's my service provider), I know when the agent I reached is from their Philippine operation -- laging sablay ang English and may "uhm, uhm" every four words!
I dunno if you have AT&T for your local phone line, but yeah, I had to train some of the agents of that program before. Just imagine this: I had to eat humongous amounts of food just to remove the stress I got whenever I ended a language training session with those guys. Ganun kasama ang state ng ESL dito sa Pinas, men.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: kamots on December 17, 2007, 01:16:20 PM
Also asking if finding for a sale electric guitar is second hand matters than brand new?
I dunno if you have AT&T for your local phone line, but yeah, I had to train some of the agents of that program before. Just imagine this: I had to eat humongous amounts of food just to remove the stress I got whenever I ended a language training session with those guys. Ganun kasama ang state ng ESL dito sa Pinas, men.
Yes, AT&T is landline, DSL, and wireless provider.
Oh my... save them please!!! :-D You need to crack your whip and let 'em have it! Ang sama talaga. And aside from the "uhm, uhm", "sir" pa ng "sir":
Agent: "Uhm, sir, in case sir that we uhm get disconnected sir, uhm, can you be contacted sir uhm at telephone number XXX uhm XXX-XXXX sir?"
Me: "Taga Manila ka ba day?"
Agent: "Uhm actually sir, we're not allowed sir to uhm tell our customers sir where uhm we are located sir. We're just uhm part of a global call center sir here in the Philippines sir."
But despite being extremely annoyed, I end up being a little extra patient with them because, hey, kapwa Pinoy eh.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: lovecore on December 18, 2007, 04:37:45 AM
hanep revival ng thread na 'to....
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: fraudulentzodiac on December 18, 2007, 08:50:56 AM
bwahaha napunta na sa bano na call center agents. :lol:
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: m1k3 on December 18, 2007, 11:14:01 AM
is the first year annual anniversary is tomarow?
is it? it is? esep esep :-D
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: ubersam on December 20, 2007, 09:18:31 AM
Not fair! Kailangan itaas din ang bandera ng "guitarist is a great man" thread! :-D
i secondary the motions!
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: marzi on December 20, 2007, 02:52:30 PM
awts! you guys is hurting me beri many!
I is a call center agent also...I soooo hate them pipol when they riding the FX taxi and they is speaking beri many call center englishing....specialty in Starbecks, they is beri beri annoyance to me!
anyways, sticky na this please?! :-P
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: CARABAO on December 20, 2007, 03:21:31 PM
HEY! WHAT IS THESE STUFFS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT? GEARS AGAIN? EQUIPMENTS? FURNITURES? YOU GUYS ACTS LIKE CHILDRENS, YOU KNOW. IT IS VERY HARD TO BE IN THE THREADSTARTER'S SHOESES. YOU KNOW WHAT, DON'T DO THESE. ITS CHREESTMAS. OKAY?
UHM!
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: marzi on December 20, 2007, 03:56:37 PM
:lol:
you ser and yor inglish is.....Carabao! :lol: :-P
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: kamots on December 20, 2007, 04:26:42 PM
HEY! WHAT IS THESE STUFFS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT? GEARS AGAIN? EQUIPMENTS? FURNITURES? YOU GUYS ACTS LIKE CHILDRENS, YOU KNOW. IT IS VERY HARD TO BE IN THE THREADSTARTER'S SHOESES. YOU KNOW WHAT, DON'T DO THESE. ITS CHREESTMAS. OKAY?
UHM!
you is the winner (tagalog: panalo)
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: vhunter on December 20, 2007, 04:51:45 PM
Oh my Godness! is this threads still alives? Unbelieving! I can't imagination how some peoples talk like this all the times. Parang hindi sila nakatapos ng grade schools. There is Grades one two up to seven Grades but yet they like to writing this ways.
Anyway, about my original electric guitars matters, It's very important to know that your guitars is originals because this guys, TOM sometimes always lies. And that other guy PRSMENS, he is also frendly with TOM. Not undoubtedly good.
Because of these, I would have to infers that PRSMENS and TOM are the same peoples because of all the defences. Oh my godness! I my heads is going to explotion na! Jus ko dai!
Uhmm
Uhmm
Id like to thank DELTATHINS for his "alot of words of advices". It's very impractical and hard to teach peoples, all of thems, good speaking and writings of english. HAI NAKU JUSKO DAIS.
Lol Peace
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: PRSMan on December 21, 2007, 12:08:48 AM
Ha ha! I AM TOM!!! Ha ha!
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: xjepoyx on December 21, 2007, 12:25:42 AM
merry christmas and happy anniv sa thread na to hehehe
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: lateralis on December 21, 2007, 07:11:39 AM
Mga sirs, question ulit, lam nio na, noob lang aq. Anu ba lamang ng orig sa local na guitar? Tatak lang ba?
Pls response po ah... thx!
Translate ko ang tanung niya
Mga sir (sign of respect) may tanung ulit ako (may naitanung na siguro siya dati) na siguro alam nyo na baguhan ako sa larangan ng gitara, ano ba ang lamang ng Original na gitara (Branded name such as Ibanez etc.) sa Local na Gitara (RJ and Ferndando)
Opinion ko kahit local ang gitara mo basta malufet kang mag gitara malufet ka ganun ka simple yun wala sa gitara yan may mga gears ka nga mamahalin butaw ka naman baliwala din, theory ka ng theory pag hawak mo na gitara mo butaw LoL
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: jazhombie on April 17, 2008, 02:57:50 AM
Mga sir (sign of respect) may tanung ulit ako (may naitanung na siguro siya dati) na siguro alam nyo na baguhan ako sa larangan ng gitara, ano ba ang lamang ng Original na gitara (Branded name such as Ibanez etc.) sa Local na Gitara (RJ and Ferndando)
Opinion ko kahit local ang gitara mo basta malufet kang mag gitara malufet ka ganun ka simple yun wala sa gitara yan may mga gears ka nga mamahalin butaw ka naman baliwala din, theory ka ng theory pag hawak mo na gitara mo butaw LoL
:-D :lol:
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: ubersam on April 17, 2008, 03:39:29 AM
Mga sir (sign of respect) may tanung ulit ako (may naitanung na siguro siya dati) na siguro alam nyo na baguhan ako sa larangan ng gitara, ano ba ang lamang ng Original na gitara (Branded name such as Ibanez etc.) sa Local na Gitara (RJ and Ferndando)
Opinion ko kahit local ang gitara mo basta malufet kang mag gitara malufet ka ganun ka simple yun wala sa gitara yan may mga gears ka nga mamahalin butaw ka naman baliwala din, theory ka ng theory pag hawak mo na gitara mo butaw LoL
but the butaw is not matters more than local, aren't they? and needer is da choory. an der por, the choory is matter more than da butaw, witch is not matters more than local.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: vaisteen2003 on April 17, 2008, 08:04:03 AM
the thread is living again!!! :lol: STOP THE MEANING OF THIS???
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: digitalcyco on April 17, 2008, 09:09:09 AM
Long live the original electric guitar that matters than local forever and ever! :lol: :lol:
the grammar kills me every time i read it. sadly, there is no emoticon for pain.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: nathanmanansala on April 20, 2008, 09:49:24 AM
nakakuha na ba ng award 'to or anything? tagal na tayong inaaliw nitong thread na 'to dapat meron na. buti pa si sushi, inaliw lang tayo for a few nights in a year may award na. e itong thread na 'to?! its like an old friend you know will always live in your old neighborhood and never move out. or the old lady whose store you'd walk to almost every day when you were 9 to ask for some bazooka joe or pompoms and say "palista kay mommy". someone you can always come back to or whose house you can drive by or stand in front of, breathe in the familiar air, and think to yourself "aahhh, its good to be homes"
sticky it or give the starter an award or at least knock three times on your guitar's body (where your picking arm rests) before beginning each set at least.
"i would like to thank this award..."
have any of you guys actually met the guy?
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: Musikerochan on April 20, 2008, 10:08:15 AM
bakit hindi naisip ng threadster i-rephrase yung query nya? sakit sa ulo e. basic S-V agreement. not being nagmamagaling pero it's common knowledge right?
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: CARABAO on April 21, 2008, 12:41:54 AM
this thread's one of the reasons why i love philmusic. haha. buhayin ang patay!
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: badongrodrigs on April 21, 2008, 01:16:17 AM
bakit hindi naisip ng threadster i-rephrase yung query nya? sakit sa ulo e. basic S-V agreement. not being nagmamagaling pero it's common knowledge right?
dude, leave the title alone....
re-phrase it, and you kill the thread. :wink:
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: tim_cada on April 21, 2008, 04:16:55 AM
OT :lol: : i use a "Rockstar" archtop guitar.. which is MIC actually. But basically, i agree with the "brand doesn't matter" point. Find what you suits your hand, if it works, great! :-D
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: william251082 on April 21, 2008, 04:46:25 AM
Kung concert classical guitar ang pag uusapan, Sa Spain lang mostly nanggagaling ang mga magaganda, closely guarded secret ang technique ng mga luthier dun.
With solid top jazz guitars, I don't think my local na maganda.
Kung strat, les paul o ibanez copy, medyo malaki ang chance na makachamba ka ng maganda maski local!
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: chromeknive on April 21, 2008, 05:46:19 AM
Well, the threadstarter seems to be enjoying his "fame". You'd think he'd be ashamed of his ineptitude and maybe correct his mistake. Instead, we have this. It's sad. Pathetic.
But it sure is funny. In a depressing sort of way. :-P
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Post by: dullFingers on April 21, 2008, 07:33:45 PM
you mean to say before you leave you walk away? :-D
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: Lahed92801 on April 21, 2008, 08:15:24 PM
Kung concert classical guitar ang pag uusapan, Sa Spain lang mostly nanggagaling ang mga magaganda, closely guarded secret ang technique ng mga luthier dun.
With solid top jazz guitars, I don't think my local na maganda.
Kung strat, les paul o ibanez copy, medyo malaki ang chance na makachamba ka ng maganda maski local!
But for people who are starting out... I think local electric jazz box enough for giving you happy good time :-)
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: masterchoxter on April 21, 2008, 09:25:18 PM
i've been a corporate trainer and educator for a long time and i don't have any words to describe what just happened.... lol... i'm from project 4, so just drop by anytime for some free lessons...
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Post by: Tiger Balm ^_^ on April 24, 2008, 10:18:45 PM
qualitY?
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Post by: ubersam on April 25, 2008, 01:12:17 AM
uy, Tayger Bomb, I like your pradax... eye juice eat all the thyme four may soar mussels...
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: jamming_papu on April 25, 2008, 02:52:08 AM
kakatapos ko lang basahin yung thread na 'to from page one up to the latest reply. I did it! ang sakit ng tyan ko!!! kinagat ko na t-shirt ko. di mabilang ang mga pamatay na quotes. hindi ko na pinansin na yung dina-download kong video. Alamat 'tong thread na 'to!
acoustic don jon are good guitars. i think kaya hindi tayo makagawa ng consistent na magagandang electric is because yung mga talagang ok na materials to make a good electric e hindi available sa atin or hindi tayo nakapagdevelop ng sarili natin. my first guitar is a classic cebu. it is a very good guitar and still sounds great up to now, 10 years after my dad bought it although nag-undergo sya ng total makeover 4 years ago. I would say that this very guitar of mine would make imported and original classic guitars makes matters no more.
For those who knows this thread... mahal ko ang philmusic forum.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: aya_yuson on May 04, 2008, 04:57:43 PM
Kung concert classical guitar ang pag uusapan, Sa Spain lang mostly nanggagaling ang mga magaganda, closely guarded secret ang technique ng mga luthier dun.
With solid top jazz guitars, I don't think my local na maganda.
Kung strat, les paul o ibanez copy, medyo malaki ang chance na makachamba ka ng maganda maski local!
I beg to differ. I've been using a Pinoy made jazz guitar for the past 6 years. It's the one I played on WDOUJI's 2nd album. It's also the one on my Solo cd, the one on Skarlet's The Powder Room Stories album and on my upcoming Angelsong album.
Listen to any of those recordings and say hindi maganda yung tunog.
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Post by: badongrodrigs on May 04, 2008, 05:10:55 PM
^
tone is in de fingers! haha
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Post by: akosimic on May 04, 2008, 05:12:07 PM
I beg to differ. I've been using a Pinoy made jazz guitar for the past 6 years. It's the one I played on WDOUJI's 2nd album. It's also the one on my Solo cd, the one on Skarlet's The Powder Room Stories album and on my upcoming Angelsong album.
iirc, this is one of mang fredo's projects. heard a lot about it from the luthier himself.
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Post by: aya_yuson on May 04, 2008, 05:12:13 PM
nakakausap mo pa si Mang Fredo? pa-pm naman ng contacts nya man...TIA
nagpagawa recently kaibigan ko. buti nalang at di sila nadamay sa road widening projects at demolition sa may commonwealth. hanapin ko lang phone ko tapos pm ko sayo.
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Post by: marzi on May 16, 2009, 01:38:47 AM
this sounds like a lots of fun!
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Post by: screamingguitars on May 16, 2009, 01:45:36 AM
WE have local luthiers now with excellent work building local guitars, so i think both matters.
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Post by: am i clear? on May 16, 2009, 01:52:12 AM
Nabuhay, hehe
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Post by: grasyaps on May 16, 2009, 05:19:34 AM
it depends if you have a lots of moneys like manny. but if you dont, then you can only buy the ones that belongs to your pocket.
you ask your parents, specially your mom and dad, to buy you since you are beginner only. then your mom, she will ask you to get her wallet from her soldier bag.
you can choose the bullet series from squier by fender. or the fernando is good enough while stocks last in lazer stores in SM. made in korea but the pickups is not good sounding and you cant get the hambaker sound from the original gibsons like my tito give me before. vintage 20 years +++ from lumanog store in sta mesa.
or just have pasadya from mang max. but do not post pictures here or share it here in philmu because firemodel will get angry because he doesnt like it,. very cheap and not daw up to his standards. ok?
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Post by: dullFingers on May 16, 2009, 08:41:11 AM
back from the dead :evil:
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Post by: thr3ten on May 16, 2009, 08:49:23 AM
ako basta may string kakalabitin ko :-D lalo pag gstring :wink:
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Post by: ierofan on May 16, 2009, 09:10:34 AM
its doesnt matter, as long as you dont mind. :-P :-P
nabuhaaayyy.. :lol: :lol:
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Post by: siore on May 16, 2009, 09:30:37 AM
Bolt: "I'm not afraid to die!!!" Sabertooth: "How do you know? You haven't tried it before."
nice fix man,
but also, tone is in the fingers. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by: boogsy on May 16, 2009, 12:32:16 PM
wow, its back. hahaha
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Post by: dudeofdude on May 16, 2009, 02:29:05 PM
before i buy anything guitar related, i do my research. the specs and my preference are the only things that matter, nothing else. not the brand or it's reputation. :-D
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Post by: riffscreamer on May 16, 2009, 04:12:06 PM
Quote
Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
IT'S ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: aya_yuson on May 16, 2009, 11:44:00 PM
Da return of the comeback!
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Post by: art_attack16 on May 16, 2009, 11:46:03 PM
Pang ilang page kaya sa guitar central nahukay to? Hehe Peace
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Post by: marzi on May 17, 2009, 12:32:25 AM
aktuweli, i do not knowing eh. i am only seeing my previously postings then i see it in my posts is one here. so i decide "hey, why not aliving the thread?! its cooling thread eh! very very nice." alam mo yknow.
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Post by: aya_yuson on May 17, 2009, 12:39:39 AM
Yhes! Yu si... huwater is gud. But por mi... deyr's samting beyter, yu know? Vitwater.
Now yu know.
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Post by: voidmain on May 22, 2009, 06:34:58 AM
It's alive!!!!
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Post by: diaboliche on May 22, 2009, 03:10:54 PM
Anga galing ng humukay nito. Ano kaya ginamit niya?
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Post by: arkeetar on May 22, 2009, 03:20:12 PM
Mga sirs, question ulit, lam nio na, noob lang aq. Anu ba lamang ng orig sa local na guitar? Tatak lang ba?
Pls response po ah... thx!
original? ang hirap naman ng thread na to. :-D
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Post by: riffscreamer on May 24, 2009, 11:53:44 AM
Please response nga naman kasi. :lol:
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Post by: rainierito on May 24, 2009, 09:09:41 PM
oh my... heto na naman at nabuhay ang "the thread"
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Post by: am i clear? on May 24, 2009, 09:20:36 PM
Is it mattering if I answering this questioning?
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Post by: aya_yuson on May 25, 2009, 09:24:46 AM
I thinking maybe Manny Pacquiao can answering this questioning. Now yu no.
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Post by: nathanmanansala on May 25, 2009, 12:53:17 PM
:lol: walang kamatayan!
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Post by: am i clear? on May 25, 2009, 04:55:38 PM
Kailangan bigyan ng award ang TS.
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Post by: 24242009 on May 25, 2009, 10:31:02 PM
if you are jimi hendrix, any guitar wont matter because your playing rocks. and no amount of expensive gear can compensate for crap playing. so if you use the best guitars yet you suck, you really suck
on the other hand it all boils down to the budget and the comitment to ones music if one has to buy expensive guitars. local or original does not make sense. Its your pocket and your love for music matters.
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Post by: toybitz on May 26, 2009, 05:07:50 AM
daig pa and serye ng Nightmare on Elm St. at Friday the 13th itong thread na ito ah..
parating nabubuhay! :lol:
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Post by: orangeogre on May 26, 2009, 06:34:49 AM
Sa totoo lang, ang korny na nitong thread na ito. Parang joke na sinabi na ng paulit-ulit.
Baka pwedeng patahimikin nyo na itong thread na ito.
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Post by: wh1t33rick on May 26, 2009, 07:11:09 AM
Some fret markers are just stickers.. or meron din namang plastics yun nga lang hindi maayos ang pagkakalagay kaya merong nakalubog at meron ding nakaangat.
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Post by: itchybrain on December 15, 2009, 09:06:29 AM
Again that.
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Post by: red_hot on December 15, 2009, 09:08:00 AM
they can produce the best for you if the price is right.....
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Post by: dullFingers on December 15, 2009, 10:43:45 AM
depends if the quality control, workmanship, and attention to detail is comparable. nasa abilidad at materials sa luthier...because sa totoo lang, depende na man sa experience ah. I tried a lot of Mactan guitars back in the day who were made by local guitar makers but they never really peaked my interest. However, when I tried similar ones from smaller guitar manufacturer's such as Andrew White, the sound is different and much better even though he doesn't see as much throughput as other people. Hopefully, the gap would have become closer in recent years since I haven't tried any locally made guitars in almost a decade. Maybe the local luthiers will be able to compete with their foreign counterparts if put side by side.
+100 dinayo ko pa yan sa cebu and rushly bought one, noob palang ako so picked the one "applause" design look alike never checked on frets fretwires finish etc.
few years narealize ko hindi standard ang measurement ng mga parts or something lets say widow and pag-gawa not scientific
pero at least i have a guitar from mactan on my collections
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Post by: aya_yuson on December 15, 2009, 02:07:58 PM
Happy anniversary!
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Post by: Poundcake on December 15, 2009, 02:15:25 PM
Hahahahahahaha grabe three years old na pala to...
Happy anniversary to this thread!
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Post by: diaboliche on December 15, 2009, 02:24:59 PM
Dati may nakita akong ganitong thread. Na locked na ata yun. Yung title "Is an original matters most than local?" :-)
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Post by: gainsucker on December 15, 2009, 02:26:59 PM
happy anniversary... :-D
kudos to the TS Name: arvie Posts: 670 (0.604 per day) Position: Forum Fanatic Date Registered: December 01, 2006, 05:55:45 PM Last Active: Today at 01:16:58 PM
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Post by: IncX on December 15, 2009, 04:39:43 PM
this is legendary
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Post by: LesBol on December 15, 2009, 04:56:15 PM
Happy Anniversary! This thread gave me lots of LOLs!
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Post by: AthanVai on December 15, 2009, 05:22:11 PM
:cry: kaka-senti isipin... 3 years old na. sniff sniff!... oh how they grow up so fast.
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Post by: jazzhole04 on December 15, 2009, 05:35:06 PM
OMG...what a nice! a 3 year old thread. :-D
let's get PARTY! :mrgreen:
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Post by: inigo on December 15, 2009, 11:09:12 PM
i-tshirt na yan
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Post by: lovecore on December 16, 2009, 01:59:32 AM
next time isama sa guitar central awards ang "best necromancy thread" para sa mga threads na bigla nalang nabubuhay.
teka wala bang bubuhay sa "being a guitarist thread" ?
haha.. BEST NECROMANCY THREAD.. nice one.. :-)
kaso mahirap yan bro.. malamang maraming threads na mahuhukay.. especially worthless threads.. pupunta ka lang sa last page at magppost ng isang smiley, ayun na.. :lol: :lol:
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Post by: LesBol on December 16, 2009, 11:50:03 AM
Well, minsan sarap buhayin ng mga threads with very intersting discussion points.
But this one is for the laughs! It made me grin a lot!
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Post by: arkeetar on December 16, 2009, 11:55:21 AM
eh bakit hindi kaya na i-locked 'tong thread? :evil:
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Post by: arvie on December 16, 2009, 12:19:25 PM
haha. 1st year college pa ko neto. ngaun lam ko na difference. mga mods. paki delete na lang nitong thread. haha. nakakahiya na sa mga HALIMAW ang galing sa gitara e. haha. :evil: :roll:
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Post by: LesBol on December 16, 2009, 02:12:04 PM
haha. 1st year college pa ko neto. ngaun lam ko na difference. mga mods. paki delete na lang nitong thread. haha. nakakahiya na sa mga HALIMAW ang galing sa gitara e. haha. :evil: :roll:
At least now you know better, thanks to these "HALIMAWS" in Guitar Central. We really get to learn a lot. Minsan, kahit hindi guitar-related :-D :-D :-D
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Post by: inigo on December 16, 2009, 05:16:45 PM
haha. 1st year college pa ko neto. ngaun lam ko na difference. mga mods. paki delete na lang nitong thread. haha. nakakahiya na sa mga HALIMAW ang galing sa gitara e. haha. :evil: :roll:
Hu-Wat !??
Delete one of the defining moments of Guitar Central ??
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Post by: killjom on December 16, 2009, 07:57:42 PM
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Post by: ysei on December 17, 2009, 10:38:48 PM
Parang "Why miguel band so long---i am concern of him" ng tipidpc.com ang thread na ito ah. :evil:
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Post by: Avatarsaint on December 18, 2009, 09:49:19 PM
para sakin, pickups at fretboards. un lang.
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Post by: giftmones on December 18, 2009, 10:10:59 PM
napakatgal na pala ng thread na toh..:)
anyway may nabasa akong nag sabi sa isang thread dito sabi nya
wala sa pana yan nasa indian yan,!
tama sya dun hehe +1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
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Post by: lykenhowl on December 19, 2009, 06:15:01 AM
On the first few pages pasaway pa mga mods bwahahahaha!!!
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Post by: firemodel55 on December 19, 2009, 07:08:15 AM
Well... I would like to add an update to keep the thread alive. This thread was started a couple of months after I received my first 'original' guitar which is my Baker#55. To qualify -- these 'original' guitars I own are the cream of the crop that the USA has to offer so I am not talking about run of the mill mass produced USA made guitars.
As of today I am enjoying my four 'original' USA made guitars and I would like to convey the difference in feeling in owning four killer sounding guitars that will cream 95% of all guitars out there of their associated type versus owning more than a dozen mediocre japanese and USA guitars.
1) These guitars seem to be evolving over time and are worth keeping. Parang they get get to sound better with age. I think a lot of people who own locally made guitars outgrow them and actually move back to a USA made Gibson, Fender or PRS later on when they have the cash. 2) The more you try out the other lesser guitars, the more you realize what makes each of the good sounding USA made guitars special. 3) Initially, I never really thought they looked good in pictures but when they actually arrive they look even better and feel heftier -- it does not feel like plywood. Compared to a great majority of locally made guitars that look good in pictures but actually look cheap when put up against Baker and Suhr. Local guitars do not impart a hefty feel parang kahoy silang pinilit na maging gitara. They lack the vibe. 4) They are genuinely a learning experience and example of the best guitars that America can produce and really shows how far off and inferior local guitars are. Of course, the flipside of the coin is that the prices are far off but you end up with the feeling that you get what you pay for. 5) You realize na 90% of locally made guitars -- ang gumawa ay walang tenga. 6) Despite their lifetime warranties to the original owner, amazingly walang problema with them e.g. they stay in tune, their necks do not warp, the hardware attachment points are solid, their workmanship does not fall apart, the finish ages and changes beautifully, the only maintenance you need is changing strings. I am surprised walang issues since they first arrived in Manila. Local guitars may mga issues that crop up over time. 7) The four guitars never fail to surprise you every time you play... No kidding. I do the rotation thing. And each imparts something that the others cannot but they are all so fun to play. I am not saying this because I own the guitars personally but because its hard for you to form a preferrence. In the past when I had more than a dozen guitars, I had one or two preferrences. A super great majority of local guitars sound dead. 8) WOW factor because the brands are not as known and when it creams other Gibson USA or Fender USA guitars it makes the other owners feel insufficient about their ability to hear tone... heh heh LOL. Eh kung itapat ang local copy ng Fender and Gibson, polite and mga USA owners pero at the back they know you cannot afford. 9) Customer Support... Very knowledgeable ang mga luthier sa USA and mayroon personal touch. They are not grumpy or mayabang. Always humble and open minded sila but firm on what works and what does not. 10) And finally the most hedious thing... it makes you crave for more. I thought that it would solve GAS but apparently it does NOT because now I have access to more cream of the crop guitars which finally opens the doors to various combinations in wood, hardware, body shape, electronics and aesthetics. My experience with locally made stuff was it was exciting at first because it was so customized and unique but later on it feels like a frankenstein dahil walang experience of hindsight and secondary ang tonal consideration to looks and specifications. Ang masakit is kung makakuha ka ng cheaper na stock na gitara that beats your custom and it takes a nose dive in value when you place it in the classifieds.
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Post by: dayuhanspace on December 19, 2009, 12:26:27 PM
Depends on the guitarist. My friend Aue who plays for Juan Pablo Dream told me that on their first album recording,he used a local "Lumanog" hollow body electric which he then erased the logo. And anytime they have a gig,people from other bands ask him what brand is his guitar. they said it sounded good.
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Post by: Mindovermatter on December 19, 2009, 12:31:03 PM
Truly is one of the most epic thread here in GC. :lol:
Habol niyo na sa 2009 awards. :-D :-D :-D
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Post by: sidlead66 on December 19, 2009, 03:09:07 PM
alam ko nakapag post na ko dito eh
check nyo video ko..
Fernando Strat to a G2 - :)
pero its true... locally made guitars are not good sounding guitars AT FIRST so... you have to tweak a lot, add a lot of possible FX, takes a lot of courage though... wheew
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Post by: inigo on December 19, 2009, 03:19:46 PM
Sa mga nagpapagawa ng shirt... sorry, I just made that with a tshirt generator online, and I've yet to think about how to actually have one made :)
Pero to start off... I think si arvie ang owner ng phrase na yun, so arvie, kung sakali, ok lang ba na gawin ko ang shirt na ito for people? I'm asking for your permission. :)
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Post by: firemodel55 on December 20, 2009, 06:59:57 AM
Depends on the guitarist. My friend Aue who plays for Juan Pablo Dream told me that on their first album recording,he used a local "Lumanog" hollow body electric which he then erased the logo. And anytime they have a gig,people from other bands ask him what brand is his guitar. they said it sounded good.
Well not to be repetitive, one of my bakers is on the latest Bamboo album on 3 songs. The engineer at Andy Brauer's studio in L.A. and I think the band reviewed the tracks and preferred the baker's ability to punch thru the mix over the USA strat. The only reason the Strat was kept because of the tremolo. I sincerely doubt that the Lumanog would hold versus a Baker.
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Post by: pitongjerome on December 20, 2009, 07:35:44 AM
local guitars are really good, incredible sustain and really good workmanship.. especially the custom ones..
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Post by: firemodel55 on December 20, 2009, 10:00:57 AM
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Post by: itchybrain on December 20, 2009, 06:38:19 PM
I really love rice. It so...ummm.. humble.
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Post by: mac13v on December 20, 2009, 06:43:29 PM
It really matters, mas ok talaga mga orig sa quality.... pero kahit local o orig, kung ok naman playing mo ok na ok... madami kasi gumagamit ng mga signatured models pero terrible nman guitar playing nila... dba? :evil:
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Post by: ermonski on December 20, 2009, 09:27:40 PM
It really matters, ms ok tlaga mga orig sa quality.... pero kht local o orig, kng ok nman playing mo ok n ok... mdami kc gumagamit ng mga signatured models pero terrible nman guitar playing nila... dba? :evil:
haha oo nga.
para sa akin, basta nagustuhan ko yung feel tsaka specs, ok na sa akin.
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Post by: firemodel55 on December 20, 2009, 10:50:31 PM
It really matters, ms ok tlaga mga orig sa quality.... pero kht local o orig, kng ok nman playing mo ok n ok... mdami kc gumagamit ng mga signatured models pero terrible nman guitar playing nila... dba? :evil:
May nagsabi nga sa akin, kung magpatotoo lang itong mga nagsasabi na its in the hands -- di ibig sabihin niyon kung bumili sila ng gear dapat huwag na nila i-test di ba? In fact, they turn out to be the harder people to please kasi ang katotohanan mas meticulous pa sila sa pag test at lait ng gear. Panay specs at itsura.
Tawa nga ako kay Ramon Jacinto dahil sa RJ Jam kung sunday minsan ko siya nahuling nagsasabi na its in the hands pero every sunday may bagong model siya ng electric guitar na ibinebenta. Lalo na iyung RJ Super Rocker ba iyon na get a tele, get a strat and a les paul all in one guitar -- wala pa ako narinig na gutiar manufacturer sa buong mundo na nag CLAIM ng ganoon . Akala ko ba sa hands iyon?
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Post by: pitongjerome on December 20, 2009, 10:55:52 PM
i saw paul gilbert play an ibanez starter kit and he effin rocks..
anyway, ang skills pwede matakpan ang hindi kagandahang guitar, pero ang pinakamagandang guitar ay hindi matatakpan ang panget na pagtugtog.
pero mas maganda kung magaling kana, maganda pa gitara mo.
pero para sakin din, mas may maipagyayabang ang may skills, kesa puro high end gears lang, pero para sakin, masama parin manlait, whether bad playing or sucky guitar/gear.
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Post by: firemodel55 on December 20, 2009, 11:18:22 PM
i saw paul gilbert play an ibanez starter kit and he effin rocks..
anyway, ang skills pwede matakpan ang hindi kagandahang guitar, pero ang pinakamagandang guitar ay hindi matatakpan ang panget na pagtugtog.
pero mas maganda kung magaling kana, maganda pa gitara mo.
pero para sakin din, mas may maipagyayabang ang may skills, kesa puro high end gears lang, pero para sakin, masama parin manlait, whether bad playing or sucky guitar/gear.
When I first saw Paul Gilbert play at the FAT, I was wowed and he was not using a starter kit. His Concert DVDs do not show him playing a starter kit. Nor do I see him play starter kits on his instructional videos which I all have. So, that says something... starter kits suck for Paul Gilbert. In fact, I have never seen Paul Gilbert pose in any photo op with a starter kit.
Conversely, no matter how good your skills if you sound bad or you cannot be heard dahil lubog ka you can be rest assured that the audience shuts themselves out to you. In fact, they feel more relieved if you finish the set ASAP. I heard this so many times here locally that they preferred the less technical guy because he was easier on the ears kaya nga mas hindi accessible sa majority ng pinoy ang guitar music kasi masakit raw sa tenga.
Let me just quote somebody as saying: " I've only got one tip to pass on to TG readers. Don't play with your fingers; play with your ears. Don't worry about this or that technique. What matters is what it sounds like. It might be an obvious thing to say, but there are a load of guitar players out there who ignore it. If music's not about sound, then what is it about? -- Yngwie Malmsteen
Well just a case in point, there are a lot of local guys making stuff here in the forum that do NOT deliver. And I feel they deserve the lait for taking away your cash. On the other hand, I know a lot of USA manufacturers who would not sell you a dud and make money on you because they sincerely want to give you a toneful product if you ask it from them. Other than my close luthier friend, mayroon ka bang alam na local luthier na nag-tanggi ng trabaho? Sina Pete Thorn, John Suhr, at Gene Baker tinagihan nila ako a lot of times kasi hindi meet ang 'tone' requirements ko.
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Post by: bryanarzaga on December 20, 2009, 11:24:02 PM
wala pa ako narinig na gutiar manufacturer sa buong mundo na nag CLAIM ng ganoon . Akala ko ba sa hands iyon?
if they do..whats the point of building and doing market research..but they exists to create quality instruments that do not break easily and meet the standard of quality..
the hands execute to pick the right notes and instrument with the help of the ears for the final judgement, guitars dont play themselves..
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Post by: cowboi_way on December 20, 2009, 11:26:41 PM
il buy these gift cards 2000.00 sa orig na guitar, il just add 98k :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Post by: pitongjerome on December 21, 2009, 12:09:43 AM
i saw it somewhere in youtube.
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Post by: boogsy on December 21, 2009, 12:56:08 AM
local guitars are really good, incredible sustain and really good workmanship.. especially the custom ones..
pretty bold claim IMO, since you seem to be referring to local guitars in general. Not that I have anything against anything local - although I havent been "wow"-ed by any. I've seen a lot without any truss rods, you call that workmanship?
Tawa nga ako kay Ramon Jacinto dahil sa RJ Jam kung sunday minsan ko siya nahuling nagsasabi na its in the hands pero every sunday may bagong model siya ng electric guitar na ibinebenta. Lalo na iyung RJ Super Rocker ba iyon na get a tele, get a strat and a les paul all in one guitar -- wala pa ako narinig na gutiar manufacturer sa buong mundo na nag CLAIM ng ganoon . Akala ko ba sa hands iyon?
Saw this video of him also raving about his Les Pu, but at the same time fighting to keep it in tune. It sounded terrible, and he pretty much made a fool of himself.
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Post by: boogsy on December 21, 2009, 01:25:23 AM
Ultimately, we are all just trying to make music. In any craft though, I cant think of any disadvantage in being properly equipped with well-made tools. There's no sense in trying to justify not having good equipment, as long as you can afford it. What many people dont understand is that for some people, how the tools are made is an artform in itself. You dont need much skill to appreciate that.
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Post by: bryanarzaga on December 21, 2009, 02:15:32 AM
guitar with no trussrod = fail..
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Post by: firemodel55 on December 21, 2009, 06:34:04 AM
pretty bold claim IMO, since you seem to be referring to local guitars in general. Not that I have anything against anything local - although I havent been "wow"-ed by any. I've seen a lot without any truss rods, you call that workmanship?
Saw this video of him also raving about his Les Pu, but at the same time fighting to keep it in tune. It sounded terrible, and he pretty much made a fool of himself.
Kita ko rin iyon... I think the Guitar Hero and Band series is doing a better job of getting a new generation of guitarists than a Les Pu. Les Pu might actually discourage beginners or worse injure them. LOL. If you look at it, the Guitar Hero series is a testimony or rather an antithesis to technique and equipment. LOL. Its all about songs I guess and playing in it or on it in the simplest way possible. Come to think of it parang karaoke siya. The danger I believe is that as time has shown that the Guitar Tube amp is slowly being replaced by Multi FX and so will multi FX be replaced by some form of future Guitar Hero that allow people to play and make music out of it. That would be sad because clubs will now seize to exist as things move to online. Already there are declining numbers of people watching live acts. In fact, there are more you tube recordings that there a gig slots in Manila. Only Piolo Pascual and his ilk are the only local acts that book large venues. I think and I believe one way is to 'fix' the sound of our guitars and that means moving back to great sounding tube amps and speaker cabinets bar none. I believe the technique thing is dead... simply because nobody commercially can book enough people to make money for any producer if they are just about technique. I believe that technique is a requisite and an EXPECTED MINIMUM but you don't need a lot of it and that at the end of the day, sound and tone is more important in a song and band context. Case in point, look at the Ibanez Artist catalog, how many of those guys have earned enough income or revenue on the level of Lady Gaga? By the way, Lady Gaga knows how to play guitar and composes her music. Hell, even Madonna uses a black Gibson Les Paul and plugged into orange amps. After awhile no matter how many times you twist shred picking and the harmonic minor scale, you end up sounding like one long extended remix na lubog pa dahil sa dami ng gain -- tapos 7 string pa which further mucks up the range of the guitar which is suppose to give it presence in the mix. But the artist worked so hard on it? Take any Beatles or Led Zeppiln album and I call that working hard -- rarely do they repeat themselves and yet they make great songs.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: bryanarzaga on December 21, 2009, 07:27:24 AM
Case in point, look at the Suhr Artist Roster, how many of those guys have earned enough income or revenue on the level of Lady Gaga? By the way, Lady Gaga knows how to play guitar and composes her music. Hell, even Madonna uses a black Gibson Les Paul and plugged into orange amps.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: bryanarzaga on December 21, 2009, 07:44:24 AM
Case in point, look at the Baker Artist Roster, how many of those guys have earned enough income or revenue on the level of Lady Gaga? By the way, Lady Gaga knows how to play guitar and composes her music. Hell, even Madonna uses a black Gibson Les Paul and plugged into orange amps.
Case in point, look at the Fender Artist Roster, how many of those guys have earned enough income or revenue on the level of Lady Gaga? By the way, Lady Gaga knows how to play guitar and composes her music. Hell, even Madonna uses a black Gibson Les Paul and plugged into orange amps.
Case in point, look at the Anderson Artist Roster, how many of those guys have earned enough income or revenue on the level of Lady Gaga? By the way, Lady Gaga knows how to play guitar and composes her music. Hell, even Madonna uses a black Gibson Les Paul and plugged into orange amps.
Case in point, look at the Charvel Artist Roster, how many of those guys have earned enough income or revenue on the level of Lady Gaga? By the way, Lady Gaga knows how to play guitar and composes her music. Hell, even Madonna uses a black Gibson Les Paul and plugged into orange amps.
Case in point, look at the Tyler Artist Roster, how many of those guys have earned enough income or revenue on the level of Lady Gaga? By the way, Lady Gaga knows how to play guitar and composes her music. Hell, even Madonna uses a black Gibson Les Paul and plugged into orange amps.
Case in point, look at the Taylor Artist Roster, how many of those guys have earned enough income or revenue on the level of Lady Gaga? By the way, Lady Gaga knows how to play guitar and composes her music. Hell, even Madonna uses a black Gibson Les Paul and plugged into orange amps.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: abyssinianson on December 21, 2009, 07:52:52 AM
Case in point, look at the Suhr Artist Roster, how many of those guys have earned enough income or revenue on the level of Lady Gaga? By the way, Lady Gaga knows how to play guitar and composes her music. Hell, even Madonna uses a black Gibson Les Paul and plugged into orange amps.
i wouldn't compare Lady Gaga to anyone on the Suhr roster, it just isn't possible because it is trying to say that someone who composes commercial jingles is as creative and skilled as Beethoven. also, just because you use good gear, doesn't mean you can play and there plenty enough stellar examples of this fact.
@firemodel: the technique thing is not dead, it just seems to be dead because people don't take the d@mn time to figure out how to play properly. if some folks spent as much time learning as they did spending cash on gear, they'd be much better off. folks like Lady Gage make money because, largely, the public doesn't know jack squat and they will digest whatever is easy and visually appealing no matter what kind of drivel is packaged in a music act. Gaga is a 15 minute novelty that, at the end of the day, is just a pop sensation..nothing more. because her songs don't carry significance, she has to dress like a bloody rodeo clown to make up for the discrepancy between her music and act.
moreover, seeing live acts is not declining - at least not internationally - though it might seem like it to you because acts like Piolo Pascual (whoever he is) seem to be the only ones that appeal to the masses. i am sure the underground in manila is alive and well.
shifting the emphasis of sound and quality to amps and speaker cabs is not the whole answer. you must start with good R&D at the guitar front as well. currently, i've watched a lot of threads about local builders but see a lot of copies and not a lot (if any) of original designs and THAT needs improvement. sorry, but building some frankenstein guitar for the kid down the street is not proper R&D...get back to the drawing board and hash out some improvements on what is already out there.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: bryanarzaga on December 21, 2009, 08:00:34 AM
i wouldn't compare Lady Gaga to anyone on the Suhr roster, it just isn't possible because it is trying to say that someone who composes commercial jingles is as creative and skilled as Beethoven. also, just because you use good gear, doesn't mean you can play and there plenty enough stellar examples of this fact.
you misquoted me abyss, its just fitting to try and compare any artist of any brand of guitar to mainstream bubble gum pop can be such an annoying thing..
i like Gibsons LP's and Joe Bonamassa, to say he sucks because he cant book as many large shows in the U.S. compared to the Jonas Brothers (who's using gibsons too), is just a pure sign of the lack of knowledge of what really goes on in the music biz nowadays..
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: abyssinianson on December 21, 2009, 08:15:37 AM
you misquoted me abyss, its just fitting to try and compare any artist of any brand of guitar to mainstream bubble gum pop can be such an annoying thing..
i like Gibsons LP's and Joe Bonamassa, to say he sucks because he cant book as many large shows in the U.S. compared to the Jonas Brothers (who's using gibsons too), is just a pure sign of the lack of knowledge of what really goes on in the music biz nowadays..
oh, i understood where you were going with the idea, i just thought I'd add for folks to know my 2 cents on the comparison of the two.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: firemodel55 on December 21, 2009, 08:47:59 AM
Case in point, look at the Suhr Artist Roster, how many of those guys have earned enough income or revenue on the level of Lady Gaga? By the way, Lady Gaga knows how to play guitar and composes her music. Hell, even Madonna uses a black Gibson Les Paul and plugged into orange amps.
Gee, probably more income than the Ibanez catalog guys. Cause they have to buy their Suhrs. LOL. I did cite the Ibanez Catalog because of the number of guys on it. But a number of these shredder guys at least the more successful ones later on graduate to Suhr from Ibanez. I have not seen a guy downgrade from a Suhr to Ibanez though. But my comment really applies to all other catalogs too and that includes Suhr.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: pitongjerome on December 21, 2009, 08:49:49 AM
pretty bold claim IMO, since you seem to be referring to local guitars in general. Not that I have anything against anything local - although I havent been "wow"-ed by any. I've seen a lot without any truss rods, you call that workmanship?
ok my bad, i was referring to the custom guitars all along, i haven't played any local electric guitar, but the acoustics are good.. (not the super crappy ones)
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: firemodel55 on December 21, 2009, 08:54:31 AM
Case in point, look at the Baker Artist Roster, how many of those guys have earned enough income or revenue on the level of Lady Gaga? By the way, Lady Gaga knows how to play guitar and composes her music. Hell, even Madonna uses a black Gibson Les Paul and plugged into orange amps.
Case in point, look at the Fender Artist Roster, how many of those guys have earned enough income or revenue on the level of Lady Gaga? By the way, Lady Gaga knows how to play guitar and composes her music. Hell, even Madonna uses a black Gibson Les Paul and plugged into orange amps.
Case in point, look at the Anderson Artist Roster, how many of those guys have earned enough income or revenue on the level of Lady Gaga? By the way, Lady Gaga knows how to play guitar and composes her music. Hell, even Madonna uses a black Gibson Les Paul and plugged into orange amps.
Case in point, look at the Charvel Artist Roster, how many of those guys have earned enough income or revenue on the level of Lady Gaga? By the way, Lady Gaga knows how to play guitar and composes her music. Hell, even Madonna uses a black Gibson Les Paul and plugged into orange amps.
Case in point, look at the Tyler Artist Roster, how many of those guys have earned enough income or revenue on the level of Lady Gaga? By the way, Lady Gaga knows how to play guitar and composes her music. Hell, even Madonna uses a black Gibson Les Paul and plugged into orange amps.
Case in point, look at the Taylor Artist Roster, how many of those guys have earned enough income or revenue on the level of Lady Gaga? By the way, Lady Gaga knows how to play guitar and composes her music. Hell, even Madonna uses a black Gibson Les Paul and plugged into orange amps.
I was making the point that technique is just one component and not necessarily more important than tone. I still love Mr. Big and Paul is on Ibanez right? Just read the quote of Yngwie which I posted above.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: bryanarzaga on December 21, 2009, 08:59:23 AM
Gee, probably more income than the Ibanez catalog guys. Cause they have to buy their Suhrs. LOL. I did cite the Ibanez Catalog because of the number of guys on it. But a number of these shredder guys at least the more successful ones later on graduate to Suhr from Ibanez. I have not seen a guy downgrade from a Suhr to Ibanez though. But my comment really applies to all other catalogs too and that includes Suhr.
how about Suhr - DTM? = Tony Rambola
Suhr - Berni Rico Jr? = Xander Demos
they graduated too
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: pitongjerome on December 21, 2009, 09:00:58 AM
I was making the point that technique is just one component and not necessarily more important than tone. I still love Mr. Big and Paul is on Ibanez right? Just read the quote of Yngwie which I posted above.
both are important, probably equal. but for me, if i were to pick one, a local custom guitar with awesome guitar skills, or baker+suhr+everything exceptional gears with crappy playing, i will choose the "local custom guitar with awesome guitar skills"..
just my opinion, because you can still make good music with a local custom guitar if you have the skills, but you can't make good music if you are a crappy player with br0oTaL guitars/equips
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: bryanarzaga on December 21, 2009, 09:08:21 AM
oh, i understood where you were going with the idea, i just thought I'd add for folks to know my 2 cents on the comparison of the two.
yup cool that you made a follow up, its funny when whoever started that comparison even listens to lady gaga..goes to another apple - oranges comparison..
happy holidays to bigots..
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: firemodel55 on December 21, 2009, 09:33:45 AM
Unfortunately or Fortunately depending on how you look at it, plenty more Ibanez guys don't graduate. LOL. I used to love Ibanez and I had lots of them but really wala talaga laban sa Suhr specially the Modern. As much as I am trying to get back to Ibanez even today, when I pick up the prestige models and even the signatures, parang downgrade talaga compared to the Suhr. They feel rough and unrefined compared to suhr and sometimes they feel downright cheap and cheezy. Just my opinion though.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: bryanarzaga on December 21, 2009, 09:48:31 AM
Unfortunately or Fortunately depending on how you look at it, plenty more Ibanez guys don't graduate. LOL. I used to love Ibanez and I had lots of them but really wala talaga laban sa Suhr specially the Modern. As much as I am trying to get back to Ibanez even today, when I pick up the prestige models and even the signatures, parang downgrade talaga compared to the Suhr. They feel rough and unrefined compared to suhr and sometimes they feel downright cheap and cheezy. Just my opinion though.
i only play 2 old prestige models and j.custom and usa custom and compared to the suhr pro maple top + basswood(which i will be getting soon) apples and oranges, and one was no better than the other designed with different specs and for different people, no ultimate guitar there and like i said before a standard suhr which i compared to a suhr pro, would still pick up the suhr pro without thinking twice..different caters for different people no one's better than the other..
if you pickup Signature ibanez's then its clear what you search for..especially that im really confused that.. 'Ibanez' is a brand or a specific guitar for you?
What you write is basically for every player out there..including George Benson gee guess his tone def too..this whole deal of brand x is better than brand z is what brown noses like to talk about,
original vs local...such as (Derrig vs Max Lp's ) vs Gibson..on who has the better tone..FACT that..
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: dakuykoy on December 21, 2009, 10:12:31 AM
you misquoted me abyss, its just fitting to try and compare any artist of any brand of guitar to mainstream bubble gum pop can be such an annoying thing..
i like Gibsons LP's and Joe Bonamassa, to say he sucks because he cant book as many large shows in the U.S. compared to the Jonas Brothers (who's using gibsons too), is just a pure sign of the lack of knowledge of what really goes on in the music biz nowadays..
you're right, bry... :-)
and by the way, Lady Gaga is just a product of commercialism; too bad that the talented Stefani Germanotta is locked up inside her. :-D :lol:
now back to the topic:
@TS: pwede namang magkaroon ng "Original" na "Local".. :-)
I think what he really wants to ask is "Is an imported guitar better than a local-made guitar?".. or something like that.
yung gawa nila Kuya Jon at Mang Max, local yun, pero better than some midrange level na imported guitars.
Meron ding murang Chinese guitars na mas ok compared sa mga local-made. (kasi may truss rod :-) )
There are choices for everyone, I guess.. :-)
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: killerbutete on December 21, 2009, 10:16:37 AM
Minsan "OO", minsan "HINDI DIN"......Asa gumagamit yan, pero di mo rin maiiwasang isipin na "DI PEDENG MAGING TUNOG GIBSON YUNG MGA LUMANOG".
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: pitongjerome on December 21, 2009, 10:36:51 AM
anyway, if local guitars are cheap and "crap", i wonder how mr bryan arzaga made his SX tele/strat (i forgot kung alin dun basta SX) sound good on his demos? but i have seen many "expensive guitars" on youtube that sounds [gooey brown stuff]
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: boogsy on December 21, 2009, 11:23:27 AM
Funny how this has turned out to be a healthy discussion, despite the lack of proper syntax in the thread title. hahaha.. Can't anyone fix it?
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: riffscreamer on December 21, 2009, 11:39:06 AM
anyway, if local guitars are cheap and "crap", i wonder how mr bryan arzaga made his SX tele/strat (i forgot kung alin dun basta SX) sound good on his demos? but i have seen many "expensive guitars" on youtube that sounds [gooey brown stuff]
easy. everything boils down to proper recording equipment and technique. fact of the matter is - youtube is not a proper representation of what the actual instrument sounds like and you shouldnt take it too seriously. just because a PRS is more expensive than an SX doesn't mean the fingers playing the thing can't make it sound good; if you play like cr@p you will sound like cr@p whether you are on a 100 dollar POS or a 5K dollar Suhr. remember, gear is only part of the equation - you still have to play it and know what you are doing in order to make it sound good. with this thought in mind, the line between local and imported guitars come down to three integral factors:
-quality control -quality material -proper luthiery technique
a word of caution, just because you say you are a luthier doesn't mean you are because the sole gauge of your work is your product, the ingenuity behind it (if there is any), the quality control you have and the dedication and integrity you put into your work. make good guitars? then you are a pretty good luthier. have a mixed bag of stuff? you need more work. a good example can be found in the high end guitar market..reason why some of them cost 5K and up for a base model, unamplified instrument is because you will get a quality instrument every single d@mn time from the luthier. the wood is graded under intense scrutiny and every step of the manufacturing process is rigorously carried out. can local guitars compete? sure - just do the exact same thing other high end builders are doing...except do it with more intensity. if you want to play the game, you have to walk the walk and talk the talk. everyone has the same wood and materials available, the only limiting factor are the ideas in your head.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: ysei on December 21, 2009, 12:44:35 PM
Is a correct grammar matters than wrong? :evil: :evil: :evil:
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: bryanarzaga on December 21, 2009, 12:49:07 PM
anyway, if local guitars are cheap and "crap", i wonder how mr bryan arzaga made his SX tele/strat (i forgot kung alin dun basta SX) sound good on his demos?
youtube compressed the real sound, they are more lively in actuality but to make it that way i had to work with the instrument, out of the box they didnt really appeal well, to a regular person its 'eh nothing different' this happened to the RST when i got it, i mean big deal its $59. but im always the kind 'hmm what i can do with this bugger', didnt...its mostly the stuff in it that made it not likeable..once i got through with that it was likable, right now it needs a new nut(since the plastic one's wear down so easily),.i did a bunch of resets to the neck pocket, im fortunate enough to be provided parts from friends in arizona and jersey..
SX guitars are tinker guitars, they handle tinkering well..decent guitars for what you pay for..but the Q.C. / Q.A is not as close to the those expected to be of a higher bill,
That is why a need for quality guitars is important and you buy quality since if you dont have time to deal with things like that or educate yourself..buy an instrument that is worry free..doesnt matter who's name is on the headstock..
so if they price high..expect and do not compromise on quality..if there is something wrong with the feel take it back..make sure it gets serviced correctly.. you paid high expect to be given high and quality service in return..its never been 'hey i bought an expensive guitar from you..would you be my friend?', no its always business..friendships are only a plus to it..
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: bryanarzaga on December 21, 2009, 01:05:26 PM
i'd like to go OT: about this whole deal of said nationality being better than the other..its all just proper business ethics, most of the establishments i have been and also where i work practice this, balancing between risk and merit..loan officers will not accept all applications for loans, because of certain factors..similarly is guitar building..
if i was 'said' guitar builder and you lay down your requirements..if i said i dont think i can accommodate your request its not that i am being a good guy, its also i dont want to waste my time and build something that i know im not going to get paid for if you dont like it..let alone get a bad review..
how about that view? that's realistic..
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: pitongjerome on December 21, 2009, 01:12:55 PM
my only point is, you could make good music out of those pieces of instruments which some people call crap and wouldnt hesitate to make "lait", but crappy playing cannot be compensated buy expensive guitars/gears. :-D :-D :-D
and yeah, my stand is the same as most people's stand, that its better if you have quality gear and some mad skills. :-D
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: firemodel55 on December 21, 2009, 01:17:42 PM
i only play 2 old prestige models and j.custom and usa custom and compared to the suhr pro maple top + basswood(which i will be getting soon) apples and oranges, and one was no better than the other designed with different specs and for different people, no ultimate guitar there and like i said before a standard suhr which i compared to a suhr pro, would still pick up the suhr pro without thinking twice..different caters for different people no one's better than the other..
if you pickup Signature ibanez's then its clear what you search for..especially that im really confused that.. 'Ibanez' is a brand or a specific guitar for you?
What you write is basically for every player out there..including George Benson gee guess his tone def too..this whole deal of brand x is better than brand z is what brown noses like to talk about,
original vs local...such as (Derrig vs Max Lp's ) vs Gibson..on who has the better tone..FACT that..
I started buying a lot of Ibanez in the early 90s. I owned my first Ibanez an S model MIJ in 1989 which I kept for around 15 years. I have not nor have I heard an Ibanez that rivals a great sounding Suhr in terms of richness bar none whether different specs or not. In fact, I am the last person to look at specs because I believe a guitar is more than the sum of its parts and its specifications. I end up upgrading lots of stuff anyway. In the same way, I would rate ESP Custom Shop Japan even better than Ibanez custom. You can ask the Japanese guys about this in Tokyo. ESP just does it better than Ibanez on almost every level. When I first tried my Suhr Modern, I was one of the real early adapters. I probably got one of the first dozen and my guitar was actually on the Suhr website when the first Moderns came out and was really skeptical about it. Well, if you can take my word for it and a friend here in the forum, the suhr modern is what ibanez has failed to be and once you try one you get dissatisfied when you get back to your RG. I do not think about apples and oranges anymore because they are both fruits and at the end of the day you still have six strings, a pickup and wood. Apples and Oranges classifications are the same reason I used to previously keep a dozen signature ESPs and Ibanez when in reality only one sounded the best. I had owned the following Ibanez Made in Japan Guitars -- all at the same time. a JEMV7WH, S540 LTD, Reb Beach Signature, PGM 300 with reverse headstock and Ibanez Iceman. And they never felt as solid and as well made as the Suhrs and more importantly, suhr seem to sound better.
Maybe you should ask George Benson if he has an old Gibson Jazz Guitar. You might be surprised.
By the way for info, Max was willing to sell me a guitar but a close and knowledgeable friend said that it would be better to spend on and worth the money to just buy an original 59.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: bryanarzaga on December 21, 2009, 01:30:26 PM
I started buying a lot of Ibanez in the early 90s. I owned my first Ibanez in S model MIJ in 1989 which I kept for around 15 years. I have not nor have I heard an Ibanez that rivals a great sounding Suhr in terms of richness bar none whether different specs or not. In fact, I am the last person to look at specs because I believe a guitar is more than the sum of its parts and its specifications. I end up upgrading lots of stuff anyway. In the same way, I would rate ESP Custom Shop Japan even better than Ibanez custom. You can ask the Japanese guys about this in Tokyo. ESP just does it better than Ibanez on almost every level. When I first tried my Suhr Modern, I was one of the real early adapters. I probably got one of the first dozen and my guitar was actually on the Suhr website when the first Moderns came out and was really skeptical about it. Well, if you can take my word for it and a friend here in the forum, the suhr modern is what ibanez has failed to be and once you try one you get dissatisfied when you get back to your RG. I do not think about apples and oranges anymore because they are both fruits and at the end of the day you still have six strings, a pickup and wood.
they still are different from everything if you say one is ultimate against the other that is your fruit to clutch between your hands, not everybody like fruits we enjoy them differently,
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Apples and Oranges classifications are the same reason I used to previously keep a dozen signature ESPs and Ibanez when in reality only one sounded the best. I had owned the following Ibanez Made in Japan Guitars -- all at the same time. a JEMV7WH, S540 LTD, Reb Beach Signature, PGM 300 with reverse headstock and Ibanez Iceman. And they never felt as solid and as well made as the Suhrs and more importantly, suhr seem to sound better.
you dont have the USA ibbys so you cant compare them completely..and nor will you, your perception is yours..again comeback to me when you have tried a USARG30 and tell me..what you think..these were made by Bunker USA..get all information first then run yer mouth,
as posted earlier if you cared for the overall music rather than the technique..
its best to run your music than your mouth..
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: abyssinianson on December 21, 2009, 01:36:03 PM
Maybe you should ask George Benson if he has an old Gibson Jazz Guitar. You might be surprised.
i've actually met George a few times. He has many, many guitars but his main recording and performance guitars have always been his Ibby jazz boxes. The sig guitars were designed primarily with the intention of capturing the tone from larger jazz boxes in a smaller package. I do have an earlier GB box and I can tell you that it is smaller than other jazz guitars I've come across which include various Gibsons models like the L5 etc....
I can tell you this about GB...that man's fingers will sound like GB no matter what you give him. Impeccable phrasing, chord knowledge and a nice guy to boot. Truly inspirational to watch.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: firemodel55 on December 21, 2009, 01:53:26 PM
they still are different from everything if you say one is ultimate against the other that is your fruit to clutch between your hands, not everybody like fruits we enjoy them differently,
you dont have the USA ibbys so you cant compare them completely..and nor will you, your perception is yours..again comeback to me when you have tried a USARG30 and tell me..what you think..these were made by Bunker USA..get all information first then run yer mouth,
as posted earlier if you cared for the overall music rather than the technique..
its best to run your music than your mouth..
Whoah... don't mean to tick you off dude. But USA made Ibanez? Common on now. I don't think Ibanez was known for that. Even the personal guitars of their endorsers are made in japan. By the way, nasaan na pala ang Ibanez USA? Its nowhere. If you think having USA MADE Ibanez makes you special it does not for the plain reason that it was an attempt by Ibanez to head off what Anderson, Suhr and Grosh started in the early 90s. I remember the ad. You might as well just have bought a USA made Anderson. By the way, in my previous post I have been also harsh with Anderson. But I do acknowledge that it is your preference but you are free to compare my Suhr Modern to your USA Ibanez any time. I'll lend it to you without strings attached.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: inigo on December 21, 2009, 02:36:28 PM
Whoah... don't mean to tick you off dude. But USA made Ibanez? Common on now. I don't think Ibanez was known for that. Even the personal guitars of their endorsers are made in japan. By the way, nasaan na pala ang Ibanez USA? Its nowhere.
oh im not at all ticked off, careful sa heart LOL!! see link below..(the lack the lack the lack'a lack'a lack..)
If you think having USA MADE Ibanez makes you special it does not for the plain reason that it was an attempt by Ibanez to head off what Anderson, Suhr and Grosh started in the early 90s.
nor does your preference make you anywhere near special at all, what you attempted so far is nothing that contributed to what the guitar is, nor you have established a clear linked between the brand you're trying to compare vis a vis guitar brand, early-on its best to do full circle on every guitar has been tried and tested before making a general statement..if you feel like it please enjoy..buts its all tease anyway..
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But I do acknowledge that it is your preference but you are free to compare my Suhr Modern to your USA Ibanez any time. I'll lend it to you without strings attached.
no thanks, your preference is not like mine, like i said i have sights on the one i have tested and will be planning that fits all the specs i wanted,
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: firemodel55 on December 21, 2009, 09:03:08 PM
(Not impressed. In fact, if you read tonequest enough. Some of the best sounding historics now really shine when placed at proper tension. My problem is PBC's approach to try to be unique. If it was so, how come there are great sounding guitars that do NOT have a tension free neck?)
nor does your preference make you anywhere near special at all, what you attempted so far is nothing that contributed to what the guitar is, nor you have established a clear linked between the brand you're trying to compare vis a vis guitar brand, early-on its best to do full circle on every guitar has been tried and tested before making a general statement..if you feel like it please enjoy..buts its all tease anyway..
(Its simple. Just bring your guitar and compare against my guitar. We don't need to try out all the guitars and thats why one of my suhrs was hand picked at the factory because its the suhr guys who try out all their guitars. With regards to the Suhr I handpicked at Manny's New York, I was lucky it owned all the usa Deans, Andersons, Fender Custom Shops, Gibsons Custom Shops, PRS, etc. After a while playing the Suhr Modern salesman even said, you are right. There is something unique and nice sounding about this guitar. By the way, though I preferred the metallic orange Modern-- it sounded like crap. And the salesman agreed with my assessment of the sister guitar.)
no thanks, your preference is not like mine, like i said i have sights on the one i have tested and will be planning that fits all the specs i wanted,
(If I were you, I would buy the one you tested because one will come out to be worse than the other its a 50-50 chance)
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: jamming_papu on December 21, 2009, 09:52:08 PM
again, i think original electric guitar doesn't matter to local electric guitar as along as original guitar player plays original guitar (not local ha?) tone with their own original fingers. :mrgreen:
good guitar player no care if guitar copy not original as along guitarist like features and tone of guitar copy. :wink:
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: bryanarzaga on December 21, 2009, 10:00:28 PM
like i said my response was to the details of what 'you think you know'...so you said there isnt one and the fact there is..(in existing of a usa ibby), well now at least you know and you're not forced to like it..its just the info i want to share..
i have nothing against suhrs and like i previously said why should i try your preference when i already have decide on which of his models im going to choose from, i have tested one and will stick to the spec, the only thing is to decide if im going locking trem or not and that is my decision..i got nothing against guitars you choose and 'think' highly off,...same old boring response..
dont try to educate when you yourself..do not even know..i guess with all the cerebrum missing your rational posts seems unlogical to think..
so i leave you with...make some good music, then i will listen and see what you have to say..till then..
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: pitongjerome on December 21, 2009, 11:17:55 PM
i have heard local custom guitar demos in youtube/soundclick and i think they are good. the owners demo it by themselves. now i wanna hear demos from baker/suhr.. from its owner..
MAKE MUSIC... its a musical instrument.. let us hear it.. its not for bashing other instruments.. if anyone wants to prove that their guitar is the best, make some music..
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: riffscreamer on December 22, 2009, 05:38:10 AM
like i said my response was to the details of what 'you think you know'...so you said there isnt one and the fact there is..(in existing of a usa ibby), well now at least you know and you're not forced to like it..its just the info i want to share..
(I am not discounting that there will be a good sounding USA Ibby. But I think a good sounding Suhr will smoke a good sounding Ibby. This is something I had to accept early on because I really liked how Ibbys looked until the suhr modern. Actually, it started when I first got a change to try ian's suhr standard. There are several people here on this forum who have tried my suhr modern who were previous Ibby owners and I suggest you ask them yourself. Its like comparing an italian super car versus a Japanese touring/sports car. Though there are some happenin' kudos points for the japanese sports car, overall the italian super car wins out.)
i have nothing against suhrs and like i previously said why should i try your preference when i already have decide on which of his models im going to choose from, i have tested one and will stick to the spec, the only thing is to decide if im going locking trem or not and that is my decision..i got nothing against guitars you choose and 'think' highly off,...same old boring response..
(Because not all suhrs are good sounding. But rarely a good sounding ibanez. Its more common to get a good sounding suhr despite it lowers production numbers than ibanez. I am just trying to save you some disappointment in the same way I was disappointed tesing 20 Andersons and 4 suhrs. Only to end up having to pick one. Not because I could not buy another one and I really wanted to buy another Suhr or Anderson because it was available but they sounded dead compared to the one suhr modern that I picked. )
dont try to educate when you yourself..do not even know..i guess with all the cerebrum missing your rational posts seems unlogical to think..
(I pass on what I am told too. It may seem that I may not know; so just come over so I can show you what I do know in terms of equipment or tone.)
so i leave you with...make some good music, then i will listen and see what you have to say..till then..
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: firemodel55 on December 22, 2009, 02:21:18 PM
lahat ng songs sa album? hmmm kaya pala ok na ok ...sa live, ang layo ng tone ni Ira compare sa album
3 songs on the album were made on the Baker. The rest are on a U.S. Strat. I will identify one song: Nobody knows (observe the lead break starting at time 3:16) -- Notice the harmonic sustain from 4:12-4:17 which was cut short with a slide.
I did not want identify the song again because its really something personal for me that I prefer to know for myself pero maraming makulit for demos. This is just one side of the Baker#55 and it sounds better in person because thats NOT the only sound it can do.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: pitongjerome on December 22, 2009, 02:27:39 PM
3 songs on the album were made on the Baker. The rest are on a U.S. Strat. I will identify one song: Nobody knows (observe the lead break starting at time 3:16) -- Notice the harmonic sustain from 4:12-4:17 which was cut short with a slide.
I did not want identify the song again because its really something personal for me that I prefer to know for myself pero maraming makulit for demos. This is just one side of the Baker#55 and it sounds better in person because thats NOT the only sound it can do.
will listen.. :-D
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: arkeetar on December 22, 2009, 02:28:12 PM
3 songs on the album were made on the Baker. The rest are on a U.S. Strat. I will identify one song: Nobody knows (observe the lead break starting at time 3:16) -- Notice the harmonic sustain from 4:12-4:17 which was cut short with a slide.
I did not want identify the song again because its really something personal for me that I prefer to know for myself pero maraming makulit for demos. This is just one side of the Baker#55 and it sounds better in person because thats NOT the only sound it can do.
arkee's listening to Bamboo's Nobody knows :lol:
thanks for sharing... i like his tone on this album :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: bryanarzaga on December 22, 2009, 02:29:59 PM
because in essence you're saying you're the only one who can pick up a good sounding suhr now? dont kid yourself..you lost as a guitarist now please do better as a musician..
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: arkeetar on December 22, 2009, 02:45:53 PM
3 songs on the album were made on the Baker. The rest are on a U.S. Strat. I will identify one song: Nobody knows (observe the lead break starting at time 3:16) -- Notice the harmonic sustain from 4:12-4:17 which was cut short with a slide.
I did not want identify the song again because its really something personal for me that I prefer to know for myself pero maraming makulit for demos. This is just one side of the Baker#55 and it sounds better in person because thats NOT the only sound it can do.
i'll the other 2 songs,
24/7 and last days on a cruise ship? :lol:
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: firemodel55 on December 22, 2009, 03:20:41 PM
because in essence you're saying you're the only one who can pick up a good sounding suhr now? dont kid yourself..you lost as a guitarist now please do better as a musician..
Nope. I am not saying that I am the only one who can pick a good suhr but you have to pick out a good one. The suhr guys can.
I have not lost anything even as a guitarist. Sorry I am NOT a musician yet as you claim to be. Am I suppose the musician as some kind of badge thing? Man, I'd rather be myself.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: pitongjerome on December 22, 2009, 03:38:10 PM
The Baker experience is fully enjoyed first hand and in person. But if you want a recording, as I said before listen to the current album of Bamboo.
may we listen to your recording? it's because you are claiming that your guitar will beat almost all guitars.. i'm no expert/pro/guitar magazine staff/guitar hero/prodigy but i just wanna hear the difference you are talking about.. the king of all tones..
i remember reading that the player will form a "connection" with that guitar, and there maybe a different connection with bamboo/baker and you/baker..
PS: i cannot record mine for the simple reason that i dont know how, i dont have a recording device and i always play live/bedroom/studios/or anywhere (acoustic guitar)
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: firemodel55 on December 22, 2009, 04:14:54 PM
may we listen to your recording? it's because you are claiming that your guitar will beat almost all guitars.. i'm no expert/pro/guitar magazine staff/guitar hero/prodigy but i just wanna hear the difference you are talking about.. the king of all tones..
i remember reading that the player will form a "connection" with that guitar, and there maybe a different connection with bamboo/baker and you/baker..
PS: i cannot record mine for the simple reason that i dont know how, i dont have a recording device and i always play live/bedroom/studios/or anywhere (acoustic guitar)
Same here no recording device. Just come over and bring your guitar...
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: pitongjerome on December 22, 2009, 04:17:30 PM
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: pitongjerome on December 22, 2009, 04:43:01 PM
:-o :-o :-o :-o :-o
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: Musikerochan on December 22, 2009, 05:02:49 PM
naka-score ako nung sunday ng RJ Bluesbreaker LP sa SM Dasma. pretty much a bargain actually. i like bare guitars (no paint whatsoever). bolt-on neck, dot inlays, maple neck, rosewood(?) fretboard (may dye pa yung fretboard eh, wait ko pa mawala yung "powder" coat), 3-piece alder body. not your faithful LP copy in so many ways. tried it on RJ Dasma's Roland amp modeler. quite ok.
went home. tested it again. adjusted the pickup heights. frets arent stainless steel, tuners are obviously cheap (will need replacement), pickups are zebra-PAF lookies.
tone: tight bottom, no screeching highs, very full sound.
"local" guitar huh? did i like it? you bet i did. i compared it to my two other LPs. meh, the other seemed bland for me, pero both are quite price-y (a vintage japanese LP copy and another modern LP make). idk if the downgrade is justifiable, but i intend to keep the local RJ and keep (literally) the other two in their respective softcases.
props to Kuya Epi of RJ Dasma for this baby. :D
and to answer the question: no, an original electric guitar is not matters more than local.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: inigo on December 22, 2009, 05:04:14 PM
3 songs on the album were made on the Baker. The rest are on a U.S. Strat. I will identify one song: Nobody knows (observe the lead break starting at time 3:16) -- Notice the harmonic sustain from 4:12-4:17 which was cut short with a slide.
wow! at first i was skeptical but now i'm a believer. awesome tone on the baker. congrats! :-)
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: pitongjerome on December 22, 2009, 05:38:37 PM
you can really hear the wood of the baker in this recording. not much gain dialed on the amp pero still the guitar has a really nice sustain.
Actually, mas maganda sa CD. If I remember correctly, Baker#55 into a zendrive was used straight into a Marshall Super Lead Plexi Reissue head into a 4x12.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: firemodel55 on December 22, 2009, 07:22:05 PM
wow! at first i was skeptical but now i'm a believer. awesome tone on the baker. congrats! :-)
Thanks. Like when I first received this guitar, I was also skeptical because I never heard it before it was sent and had complained about the flames not being as tight. I was too spec minded and failed to focus on its good points immediatley. Rather, sabi ko kay Cliff Cultreri bakit hindi kasing gandang ng Baker#27 ang flame. Actually, it was Cliff Cultreri who reprimanded me before I ordered the guitar with regards to my 'specifications'. It basically boiled down to: Do you trust me enough to send a Great Sounding Guitar? And after complaining about the flame, he basically just said that this was eastern maple and had bigger flames. Would I be willing to get less tone for the the more tighter maple top like that on #27? In effect, ang tanong niya is hangang saan mo i-sacrifice ang tone para sa itsura?
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: firemodel55 on December 22, 2009, 07:44:53 PM
I was whinning so much about the top because I felt that I needed more flame density (kasi naman hindi cheap) despite the fact that this guitar was using old growth honduran mahogany, old growth eastern maple top and old growth brazilian rosewood which seems to look like ebony because it is so dark. All of these were within the specifications of the old bursts and in fact the wood maybe as old as the original bursts. I was so whinny about it until my close luthier friend put me into place and made me forget about specifications. He told me to buy the Beauty of Burst and he showed how the old bursts had shown different flame intensities from different angles. Sabi niya na iyan ang tinatawag na ACTION na mayroon ang mga original bursts na wala halos ang PRS. Tinanong ng luthier friend ko sa akin kung bakit ko pinipilit na iyong dapat ang specifications eh... halos sinundan niya ang itsura ng kahoy base sa mga original bursts. I then understood that my specifications were really subordinate to people who really understood -- Gene Baker, Cliff Cultreri and my close luthier friend.
In the end, I never get to enjoy the flame because I never see it because of the angle but some who have seen the guitar live on stage say that the flame looks beautiful.
This is an original electric guitar, mayroon bang local na tatapat on all aspects?
I am trying to drive home the point, you can wait forever to never for the local industry to try to catch up with Gene Baker. But Gene Baker is already doing this two years ago. So, save up is all I can say. Sayang nga, dahil parang wala ng makuhang brazilian rosewood na magandang tunog sina Gene kaya panay indian rosewood na sila ngayon.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: AthanVai on December 22, 2009, 08:02:46 PM
so an original electric guitars matters than local... 8-)
Ok na guys. I-close na ang thread. hehe.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: bryanarzaga on December 22, 2009, 08:06:26 PM
Nope. I am not saying that I am the only one who can pick a good suhr but you have to pick out a good one. The suhr guys can.
so the other official dealers cannot?
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I have not lost anything even as a guitarist. Sorry I am NOT a musician yet as you claim to be.
well then you have something to look into for 2010
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Am I suppose the musician as some kind of badge thing? Man, I'd rather be myself.
like some of us here? and yet you want to say we shouldnt be? Goodluck..
when you do actually have your own songs, defining it through how you execute it + the tone it generates..then i would listen..
there is no doubt about how good the craft of the guitars you own, but when it comes to perspectives and being and individual guitar player? you're a bigot..
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: firemodel55 on December 22, 2009, 08:12:40 PM
(the only reason na pinakiusapan ko ang Suhr Factory guys is because they get to hear all their suhrs that come out. I hate doing this but this is a series of personal email correspondence to me: "Some guitars do stand out more than others, so it's really hard to guarantee that another guitar will be just like that Modern you just got. We really won't know how a guitar will sound until we put one together. We'll try our best, but as you know, no two guitars are quite the same. What kind of a Classic did you have in mind?"
("The issue here is that every guitar is made to order and we are over 5 months backordered. I'm not sure how we can proceed on this one as we'll take one order from a dealer and then ship that particular guitar to the dealer when it is completed."
and finally after several months...
"Hi Alex,I think this is the one you want. It just got finished a few days ago and it has the nitro-cellulose lacquer without the aging process. It's one of the new Vintage Series guitars we introduced this year. It really resonates beautifully. All of the guitars are great but this one does have that extra little mojo happening")
This is a case where you'd just have to play a bunch at a dealer that has 'em in stock and pick out the one you like the most.
like some of us here? and yet you want to say we shouldnt be?
(Oh no... you can be yourself but be aware of the possible risks.)
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: bryanarzaga on December 22, 2009, 08:25:07 PM
dude we freakin know that, that's why its never even best to buy online for guitars that have that price tag it requires alot of scrutiny and doesnt fall to a credit of how good the top is, this is a ever looping explanation..
read the email, im sure you have or printed it?! its all there!
We really won't know how a guitar will sound until we put one together.
We'll try our best, but as you know, no two guitars are quite the same.
and who said one can already tell that the guitar is good sounding just before its even finished??? jeez fairytale land
there's no arguing on the quality level of the guitars Alex, i have tried and test them at daves(suhr dealer), the plek made every part of the neck consistent in fretting, now which one is good sounding? that's why try em in store before buying it
Also in closing for me, Alex thanks for the email posts because reading through it..just proves alot..all this time, about personal preferences, about you aswell This is the thread of the year for 2009 :lol:
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: abyssinianson on December 23, 2009, 12:03:15 AM
after all that discussion...i somehow fail to see the unique discussion topic. in essence, what was being thrown around for argument was a set of obvious assumptions? (ie. you'll never know how a guitar sounds until it is done - duh)
i do have one comment about this lovely quote though: Am I suppose the musician as some kind of badge thing? Man, I'd rather be myself.Supposed to be some kind of badge? Uh, yeah. How else would someone have the intuition to tell good tone apart from bad tone as a result of playing, gigging or scr#wing around on the guitar? Now you don't have to be a world class virtuoso, that wasn't the point, but you do have to be able to play to have some kind of validity to declaring "tone requirements." This is only logical. Hell, a plumber can have tone requirements, my grandmother can have tone requirements, the guy selling sago can have tone requirements....but that doesn't mean that I'd weigh their understanding and intuition of tone more than someone who actually plays and might know what they are talking about in a more meaningful way.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: firemodel55 on December 23, 2009, 12:06:15 AM
I think the point is even if you try to spec something out, not even the suhr guys can definitely tell you how good it will be until its strung. And its true that no two guitars are alike but dont disregard the statement "All of the guitars are great but this one does have that extra little mojo happening" which you seem to easily gloss over. I never sought to inquire what mojo meant and I do agree it has mojo and so does my close luthier friend who is not easily impressed by anything. So that says something about our ability to agree on a minimum standard for a great sounding guitar.
I technically bought a guitar blind which goes to show that I really don't need to spec it out as long as you can trust the guys choosing for you and that you are purely after tone. Unfortunately, you cannot spec out tone. As another famous friend once told me, ultimately only God knows how to create tone. I am just fortunate enough to get his blessings along the way. No other way to explain. I and my luthier friend have discussed this and there is not pattern. All we do agree on is its the magic of the wood. As to how that piece of wood becomes magical, we leave that up to God.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: firemodel55 on December 23, 2009, 12:15:19 AM
after all that discussion...i somehow fail to see the unique discussion topic. in essence, what was being thrown around for argument was a set of obvious assumptions? (ie. you'll never know how a guitar sounds until it is done - duh)
i do have one comment about this lovely quote though: Am I suppose the musician as some kind of badge thing? Man, I'd rather be myself.Supposed to be some kind of badge? Uh, yeah. How else would someone have the intuition to tell good tone apart from bad tone as a result of playing, gigging or scr#wing around on the guitar? Now you don't have to be a world class virtuoso, that wasn't the point, but you do have to be able to play to have some kind of validity to declaring "tone requirements." This is only logical. Hell, a plumber can have tone requirements, my grandmother can have tone requirements, the guy selling sago can have tone requirements....but that doesn't mean that I'd weigh their understanding and intuition of tone more than someone who actually plays and might know what they are talking about in a more meaningful way.
Well thats why I specified a specific recording and sorry to burst your bubble, you don't have to be a musician to know what good tone is. Just in the same way there are so called musicians who have bad tone. "The audience is listening..." Or the other possibility is, I am a musician and nobody wants to admit that. Whatever it is, being a musician is just a word that people throw around to make themselves feel better. If other musicians who are technically more proficient than a lot of people in this forum AND more successful commercially can recognize the Baker#55 as truly something special that says something about the insecurities of people who need the musician's badge.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: abyssinianson on December 23, 2009, 12:51:04 AM
If other musicians who are technically more proficient than a lot of people in this forum AND more successful commercially can recognize the Baker#55 as truly something special that says something about the insecurities of people who need the musician's badge.
quite the leap from the original statement i suggested. so now, if one isn't proficient and commercially successful they can't recognize the merit of an instrument despite being able to play decently because they have an innate insecurity? you aren't a metaphysics professor are you? please note that these weren't parameters of my original statement and neither was insecurity as a factor so let's stick to the original issue at hand. i explicitly said you didn't need to be a virtuoso to be able to have insight into tone but you do have to at least play decently to have a good and significant understanding of whatever opinion you are trying to push.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: bryanarzaga on December 23, 2009, 12:54:52 AM
after all that discussion...i somehow fail to see the unique discussion topic. in essence, what was being thrown around for argument was a set of obvious assumptions? (ie. you'll never know how a guitar sounds until it is done - duh)
i do have one comment about this lovely quote though: Am I suppose the musician as some kind of badge thing? Man, I'd rather be myself.Supposed to be some kind of badge? Uh, yeah. How else would someone have the intuition to tell good tone apart from bad tone as a result of playing, gigging or scr#wing around on the guitar? Now you don't have to be a world class virtuoso, that wasn't the point, but you do have to be able to play to have some kind of validity to declaring "tone requirements." This is only logical. Hell, a plumber can have tone requirements, my grandmother can have tone requirements, the guy selling sago can have tone requirements....but that doesn't mean that I'd weigh their understanding and intuition of tone more than someone who actually plays and might know what they are talking about in a more meaningful way.
lol i like what you added there abbys, i'm done i saw the builders answers and have been smiling since i woke up and lol'ed alot..
This is the thread of the year for 2009
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: bryanarzaga on December 23, 2009, 12:58:30 AM
quite the leap from the original statement i suggested. so now, if one isn't proficient and commercially successful they can't recognize the merit of an instrument despite being able to play decently because they have an innate insecurity?
like what was posted before...Lady Gaga knows tone.. :lol:
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: jamming_papu on December 23, 2009, 01:23:12 AM
as to how it becomes so hyped, we leave that up to consumerism and the almighty interwebz.
nah. it only becomes hyped because "musicians" apparently is a null and useless term that occupies the same niche as colonial practices in modern society, largely redundant in practical use, thrown around with no regard for proper application and subjectively relative to actual skill. we cling to such pieces of wood like guitars because we have an inherent insecurity that prevents us from knowing what the hell we are talking about, and the only remedial condition is to be extremely proficient and commercially successful where one is able to gargle with Cristal, wipe muddy shoes on stacks of Benjamins and use copious amounts of diamonds to adorn teeth (grillz). if you have access to all of these...you might, no, you should, be able to have some kind of informed opinion about music. afterall, you got money, a brain to form an idea (no matter how rationally convoluted) and a functional auditory system, the primary requirements of having an opinion of significance and extreme clarity for musical appreciation, so, ultimately, who the hell really cares if you aren't able to actually use the instrument that you've got?
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: boogsy on December 23, 2009, 02:21:04 AM
nah. it only becomes hyped because "musicians" apparently is a null and useless term that occupies the same niche as colonial practices in modern society, largely redundant in practical use, thrown around with no regard for proper application and subjectively relative to actual skill. we cling to such pieces of wood like guitars because we have an inherent insecurity that prevents us from knowing what the hell we are talking about, and the only remedial condition is to be extremely proficient and commercially successful where one is able to gargle with Cristal, wipe muddy shoes on stacks of Benjamins and use copious amounts of diamonds to adorn teeth (grillz). if you have access to all of these...you might, no, you should, be able to have some kind of informed opinion about music. afterall, you got money, a brain to form idea (no matter how rationally convoluted) and a functional auditory system, the primary requirements of having an opinion of significance and extreme clarity for musical appreciation, so, ultimately, who the hell really cares if you aren't able to actually use the instrument that you've got?
hahaha! i love it man.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: arkeetar on December 23, 2009, 07:09:37 AM
pag lasing na, madalas wala ng pakialam nakikinig sa nadidinig...
self preference leads to self contentment :lol:
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: pitongjerome on December 23, 2009, 07:09:56 AM
I think the point is even if you try to spec something out, not even the suhr guys can definitely tell you how good it will be until its strung. And its true that no two guitars are alike but dont disregard the statement "All of the guitars are great but this one does have that extra little mojo happening" which you seem to easily gloss over. I never sought to inquire what mojo meant and I do agree it has mojo and so does my close luthier friend who is not easily impressed by anything. So that says something about our ability to agree on a minimum standard for a great sounding guitar.
whattt??? if a luthier friend who is not easily impressed concides with your thinking on a specific guitar then IT IS WHAT IT IS????
i am also not impressed easily, and my luthier friend too.. that says something... oh, my friend aint easily impressed too.. and he can play.. oh, my world famous guitarist friend who uses "other" guitar and is easily impressed is sucky, and his tone preference sucks.. oh, my other friend has other tone preference as you are, too bad his minimum is [gooey brown stuff]..
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: screamingguitars on December 23, 2009, 07:20:32 AM
Thread of the year indeed ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:..Lets just rock and roll brothers!
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: ierofan on December 23, 2009, 08:10:33 AM
sino ba kasing bumuhay dito?? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: pitongjerome on December 23, 2009, 08:15:14 AM
whattt??? if a luthier friend who is not easily impressed concides with your thinking on a specific guitar then IT IS WHAT IT IS????
i am also not impressed easily, and my luthier friend too.. that says something... oh, my friend aint easily impressed too.. and he can play.. oh, my world famous guitarist friend who uses "other" guitar and is easily impressed is sucky, and his tone preference sucks.. oh, my other friend has other tone preference as you are, too bad his minimum is [gooey brown stuff]..
Well what matters is that my luthier friend has more credibility in guitar selection than you... sa hirit mo lang mukhang level 1 ka palang sa guitar selection. Just my opinion though I can prove it. Just bring your guitar and lets compare versus my guitars.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: pangalan on December 23, 2009, 10:27:16 AM
Well what matters is that my luthier friend has more credibility in guitar selection than you... sa hirit mo lang mukhang level 1 ka palang sa guitar selection. Just my opinion though I can prove it. Just bring your guitar and lets compare versus my guitars.
oh man...
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Post by: orangeogre on December 23, 2009, 10:42:54 AM
Let's get ready to rrrrruuuummmbbbblllleeee!!!! :mrgreen:
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Post by: pitongjerome on December 23, 2009, 10:53:04 AM
Well what matters is that my luthier friend has more credibility in guitar selection than you... sa hirit mo lang mukhang level 1 ka palang sa guitar selection. Just my opinion though I can prove it. Just bring your guitar and lets compare versus my guitars.
yes i'm level 1 but level 100 people does not tell the things you do :-D
plus, my post is a sarcasm and you dint get that.. i know my guitar selection doesn't really matter, because i choose my guitar according to my preference. whether you like what i choose or not, dont care :-D
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Post by: abyssinianson on December 23, 2009, 10:56:17 AM
Well what matters is that my luthier friend has more credibility in guitar selection than you... sa hirit mo lang mukhang level 1 ka palang sa guitar selection. Just my opinion though I can prove it. Just bring your guitar and lets compare versus my guitars.
Paluan na lang nang gitara sa ulo, malalaman natin which has the better wood. Local or imported!!! :lol:
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Post by: bryanarzaga on December 23, 2009, 12:39:27 PM
yeah, it's quite sad but that's the truth. we pinoys don't get along really well. IMO, no one is going to win this "healthy" discussion. but three things are clear to me here
- firemodel's guitar do sound good - everybody has his/her own preference - bryan is going to get a suhr! :-D (i might get one too! time to save up)
cool lang bros! 8-)
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Post by: kingthomas on December 23, 2009, 12:47:48 PM
yeah, it's quite sad but that's the truth. we pinoys don't get along really well. IMO, no one is going to win this "healthy" discussion. but three things are clear to me here
- firemodel's guitar do sound good - everybody has his/her own preference - bryan is going to get a suhr! :-D (i might get one too! time to save up)
cool lang bros! 8-)
may kulang ka pa bro...
- hindi ako mag kaka suhr kahit kailan dahil wala ako pambili nun. :lol:
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Post by: randymarsh on December 23, 2009, 12:51:30 PM
yeah, it's quite sad but that's the truth. we pinoys don't get along really well. IMO, no one is going to win this "healthy" discussion. but three things are clear to me here
- firemodel's guitar do sound good - everybody has his/her own preference - bryan is going to get a suhr! :-D (i might get one too! time to save up)
cool lang bros! 8-)
well this time is not a good time to get one..because the drive to wasau or even la crosse is a dangerous one with all the storms passing through(bringing white death lol), i tested that when i happen to see a S1 alder in GC used, like them plek'd guitars the fretting is consistent(dressing)..so drove to la crosse to a dealership they had the pro, regardless of the nice top it had to my own ears its what i like, it works well for what i do..
i like guitars(whatever brand or make), its not guitars that have the problem..its just people..i dont diss stuff i havent tried, when people do that..thats ignorant, the discussion have been a forever redundant looping statement..but its all good once you point out the real stuff that you always try to prove that some fail to see, its all there..its funny really..
individuality/singularity is what us as humans always wanted whatever race or form..
what i do like are those who are silent and yet when they play..they give the best and inspiring sound,not a note,but overall music..when someone does that, for me it creates influence..to me thats the best way of getting people to listen..
OT: randy hows the warmoth build coming along?
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Post by: riffscreamer on December 23, 2009, 01:16:01 PM
wag mo sabihin yan. maybe in two to three years time magkaroon ka rin ng pambili. it happened to me. only time can tell.
Impraktikal sya para sakin.
Who needs a guitar that is supposedly the holy grail of tone if only a few elitist musicians "myself-s" can recognize and appreciate it? I'd rather play for people who want to listen to the music, rather than for those "myself-s."
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Post by: boogsy on December 23, 2009, 01:22:02 PM
Who needs a guitar that is supposedly the holy grail of tone if only a few elitist musicians "myself-s" can recognize and appreciate it? I'd rather play for people who want to listen to the music, rather than for those "myself-s."
I respectfully disagree. You cant please everyone bro, but if you know what YOU want then why would it matter if noone else could recognize it?
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Post by: stringman on December 23, 2009, 01:25:12 PM
Irregardless of brand and price, as long as the guitar sings in the musicians hands that is what matters most!
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Post by: riffscreamer on December 23, 2009, 01:26:33 PM
Who needs a guitar that is supposedly the holy grail of tone if only a few elitist musicians "myself-s" can recognize and appreciate it? I'd rather play for people who want to listen to the music, rather than for those "myself-s."
its ok dude, there's no absolute guitar..we play what we want to play and what feels and sounds right,
well this time is not a good time to get one..because the drive to wasau or even la crosse is a dangerous one with all the storms passing through(bringing white death lol), i tested that when i happen to see a S1 alder in GC used, like them plek'd guitars the fretting is consistent(dressing)..so drove to la crosse to a dealership they had the pro, regardless of the nice top it had to my own ears its what i like, it works well for what i do..
OT: randy hows the warmoth build coming along?
global warming it is!!! :lol: christmas gift ba yan? or could wait till spring? mag window shopping ka pa baka may distributor dyan na may mas magandang selection.
the second warmoth build is on the way. had the body routed for a floyd rose trem and a humbucker neck pickup. i will have the tele and this build plek'd early next year. it's an original usa warmoth electric guitar assembled by a local pinoy. :lol:
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Post by: pangalan on December 23, 2009, 01:36:18 PM
global warming it is!!! :lol: christmas gift ba yan? or could wait till spring? mag window shopping ka pa baka may distributor dyan na may mas magandang selection.
LOL @global warming, its not actually bad considering last year..that was terrible..although the east states have been hit bad most of the time (* Van hope you get through 20 inches of it), ill wait it till they stock more i can actually order and the policy of the build is that if it doesnt work send it back but they had a fee too(all that work for nothing? they gotta make some cash monies too),
yes there are two Dealerships but i only like one Dave's Guitars in la crosse, the one in wasau is a great guy but he will not give you the best deal including the contract of the order unless you buy stock..with the other store if you bought it online you can get your money back except the shipping fee, if you bought it in-store they will scrutinize you for taking it back, because you are expected to choose correctly and scrutinize the unit till you found have one you like..
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the second warmoth build is on the way. had the body routed for a floyd rose trem and a humbucker neck pickup. i will have the tele and this build plek'd early next year. it's and original usa warmoth electric guitar assembled by a local pinoy. :lol:
great, you should get that DAW ready too..
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Post by: randymarsh on December 23, 2009, 01:51:47 PM
I have my own tone preference bro, but incidentally, it doesn't involve stupidly insane amounts of dough.
agree. it's like flying abroad. you can fly coach or first class. in the end, everyone will have to go through immigration and be scrutinized by the immigration officer like you are some sort of a terrorist.
what i do like are those who are silent and yet when they play..they give the best and inspiring sound,not a note,but overall music..when someone does that, for me it creates influence..to me thats the best way of getting people to listen..
what i do like are those who are silent and yet when they play..they give the best and inspiring sound,not a note,but overall music..when someone does that, for me it creates influence..to me thats the best way of getting people to listen..
This post is sig worthy. :-)
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Post by: pitongjerome on December 23, 2009, 02:02:17 PM
agree. it's like flying abroad. you can fly coach or first class. in the end, everyone will have to go through immigration and be scrutinized by the immigration officer like you are some sort of a terrorist.
hahaha, thats some funny analogy..i havent been to aussie so i wouldnt know, here its blue book and residents in one line and the visitors on the other when in lax, but when flying you are right..pretty much when the plane goes down..doesnt matter if in coach,business,first class..y'all go down! LOL
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Post by: clay005 on December 23, 2009, 02:20:30 PM
Ako Rj Users eh..hahaha kasi ok din naman ang tuning.. as in ok lahat. Kahit ung 5 years na rj ko na kinalawang na ok a din ang tunog. bumili din ako ng RJ na LP grabe inggit ung gitarista na kaibigan ko. Ibanez ung kanya eh walang wala ung tunog..hehehe... galing.. tapos ang gamit ko lang effect eh zoom 606. ung kanya 707 II
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Post by: abyssinianson on December 23, 2009, 02:34:30 PM
well this time is not a good time to get one..because the drive to wasau or even la crosse is a dangerous one with all the storms passing through(bringing white death lol), i tested that when i happen to see a S1 alder in GC used, like them plek'd guitars the fretting is consistent(dressing)..so drove to la crosse to a dealership they had the pro, regardless of the nice top it had to my own ears its what i like, it works well for what i do..
i like guitars(whatever brand or make), its not guitars that have the problem..its just people..i dont diss stuff i havent tried, when people do that..thats ignorant, the discussion have been a forever redundant looping statement..but its all good once you point out the real stuff that you always try to prove that some fail to see, its all there..its funny really..
individuality/singularity is what us as humans always wanted whatever race or form..
what i do like are those who are silent and yet when they play..they give the best and inspiring sound,not a note,but overall music..when someone does that, for me it creates influence..to me thats the best way of getting people to listen..
OT: randy hows the warmoth build coming along?
true. no one knows snow driving better than midwest folks. i grew up in chicago and spent a bit of time in Madison at UW and the drive between Mad-town, Milwaukee and Chicago was always horrible during winter. it is true that last winter was bad, I think they got 12-15 inches in Chicago sometime last year and it nearly shut the city to a halt. mind you, i said nearly because people still did regular stuff in 10 inches of snow. on the east coast people are shutting down around the New England area and midwest transplants are like asking,"the hell? its only 4 inches out!" stay safe driving in that snow, man.
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Post by: Musikerochan on December 23, 2009, 02:41:02 PM
@clay, what kind of RJ guitar is yours? i must admit i was surprised with one RJ bolt-on LP i bought last sunday. parang naging bland yung 2 other guitars ko. idk, maybe im in the honeymoon phase pa kaya ganun. happy purchase actually.
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Post by: clay005 on December 23, 2009, 04:59:50 PM
RJ LP sya pre un lang ung alam ko eh, un in sabi sakin sa RJ store eh. i bought it 9k. solid na pre. dmaing naiingit kahit ung guitar guru dito sa laguna eh gandang ganda hanggang sa bumili sya ng tulad sakin.
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Post by: LesBol on December 23, 2009, 05:31:40 PM
RJ LP sya pre un lang ung alam ko eh, un in sabi sakin sa RJ store eh. i bought it 9k. solid na pre. dmaing naiingit kahit ung guitar guru dito sa laguna eh gandang ganda hanggang sa bumili sya ng tulad sakin.
If it's around 9k, that must be the RJ LP Standard. Custom is a little over PHP12K.
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Post by: jamming_papu on December 23, 2009, 06:03:52 PM
what i do like are those who are silent and yet when they play..they give the best and inspiring sound,not a note,but overall music..when someone does that, for me it creates influence..to me thats the best way of getting people to listen..
this.... matters more than original guitar that matters than local. :lol:
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Post by: boogsy on December 23, 2009, 06:21:35 PM
I have my own tone preference bro, but incidentally, it doesn't involve stupidly insane amounts of dough.
yeah I get you, same here. All I'm saying is, the price is all relative to capacity. So if you happen to afford something as esoteric as boutique equipment without actually starving yourself, why deprive yourself? You only live once. On the other hand, some of us arent that blessed so anything more than what we are earning would definitely be impractical, whether we like it or not.
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Post by: stringman on December 26, 2009, 07:09:08 PM
Level 1 or level 100 it really doesn't matter. If you have a level 100 equipment but has level 1 fingers, will the the guitar really sing in your hands?
It's true that Alex has great gear in his hands. But i'd rather hear it coming from talented musicians who tested Alex's gears than hearing it from Alex. Sorry 'bout that Alex!
I have a friend who personaly tested Alex's SUHR, I believe the guy!
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Post by: ierofan on January 09, 2010, 09:48:05 AM
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Post by: niko062 on May 01, 2010, 07:07:24 PM
napaka personal kasi ng instruments eh, xempre kung magaling ka kahit ano gamit mo maganda parin kalalabasan. kung kuntento ka sa gear mo bat ka pa mg papalit? yung frankenstrat ni EVH wala tatak yun, pero naging trademark nya at ng inspire ng madaming generations ng guitarists. pero xempre kung maayos gear mo maaring mg progress ang guitar playing mo, xempre mas madali gamitin naka set up na guitar (locan man o original). sana ndi out of topic yun. cheers!!
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Post by: burnsbhm on May 02, 2010, 12:34:39 AM
I've heard a lot of blind guitar players play for spare change that uses Raon equipment that can blow some professionals I know na nagbanda para magpapogi - very expensive guitar (parker fly pa iba) with very expensive effects (Boss GT10) that can't play decent rhythm.
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Post by: samuelfianza on May 02, 2010, 12:43:07 AM
Actually mas gusto ko pang gamitin itong super local na gitara ko (walang tatak, no serials, basta walang nakasula ni isa) keysa dun sa bc rich ng kabanda ko na sobrang taas ng action. at wala naman difference sa tunog kasi lubog sa distortion.
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Post by: music_adik_to on May 02, 2010, 01:44:02 AM
:-D
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Post by: jem_adriano on May 02, 2010, 09:44:02 AM
a brand is just a brand,a name,a decal.....some which are too overrated lang..
nasa craftsmanship lang talaga
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Post by: Poundcake on May 02, 2010, 10:54:29 PM
Whoa, it's aliiiiiiive (yet again) :lol:
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Post by: constipation on May 02, 2010, 10:56:19 PM
hehe night of the living dead! yehhhhhh rock and roll! :lol:
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Post by: omarrodriguezvic on May 03, 2010, 12:41:37 AM
nice dig!
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Post by: kurtseth on May 03, 2010, 12:46:54 AM
im really flustered about the topic title but what the heck
quality and craftsmanship is what counts
i agree a taylor guitar looks/feels nice but i believe there are other acoustic guitars that could rival the tone/sound without the insane price tag :D
it all boils down to the person himself if he is keen on the brand and he feels that he would somehow be a better guitar player then what the heck right?
personally i prefer lp's
japanese made lp's do it for me
:)
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Post by: coy_2cute on September 13, 2010, 04:24:23 PM
back read mode! this thread never ceased to entertain me! :lol:
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Post by: the count on September 13, 2010, 08:42:12 PM
IMHO it's actually the sound... although cheap guitars have poor parts, bad pickups, bad fretwork etc & etc. pero yung sound talaga! hindi yung brand. kahit na local or usa pa yan... :)
actually my plan is after na makuha ko strat ko, lilibot ako sa raon, megamall, sta mesa, at kung saan saan para mag hanap ng strat na maski 2nd hand local or imported doesn't matter... kahit bulok bulok basta kapag naandun yung tunog na swak na hinahanap ko ;) HULI KA BALBON! hehehe... isa lang ang bagsak nian "restoration sa favorite kong luthier"....
with only one exemption dapat naman hindi plywood yung body... basta dapat wood talaga...
btw: may narinig akong street musician na naka strat na ang ganda ng tunog... minsan try ko nga bilhin kung papayag... basta ang ganda ng sound "may magic kung baga..."
happy hunting guys! :)
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Post by: Letour on September 13, 2010, 10:19:38 PM
It is alive! 8-)
Let's keep this fun. :-D
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Post by: justine3563 on September 13, 2010, 10:23:38 PM
local-imported;branded-fake
yeah!this is fun! :-D
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Post by: turiguiliano on September 14, 2010, 01:08:09 AM
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Post by: fraudulentzodiac on September 14, 2010, 01:22:55 AM
omg, is it that time of the year again?! :lol:
malayo pa yata birthday nito eh.
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Post by: pualux on September 14, 2010, 01:39:06 AM
maaga pa para mag celebrate :)
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Post by: DrDeathRNMD98 on September 14, 2010, 03:15:43 AM
some posts are just so funny here, I had to copy some and paste it on my FB notes, thanks guys!!
:lol:
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Post by: blacktele on September 14, 2010, 08:05:51 AM
Fake ba pag local??? Ok title nitong thread na to nakakalito pa tanong.
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Post by: toybitz on September 14, 2010, 08:23:33 AM
ilang buwan na lang 4th year anniv na nito!
haaaylabbit!
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Post by: lykenhowl on September 14, 2010, 11:12:15 AM
For me an original guitar is matters because of spare parts that is better like beetwater unlike local where spare parts is cheap and is destroys easy. No need for expensive original, low price is not problem as long as it is original is whats matter.
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Post by: neiloid on September 14, 2010, 11:55:59 AM
long live this thread! hahaha!
had a lot of fun backreading this 4 year old thread. :lol:
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Post by: Boxedking on September 14, 2010, 12:56:46 PM
Classic EPIC thread!
The original and local electric guitars is not the matters important. Your playing are matters more, local or original.
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Post by: nancy brew on September 14, 2010, 01:31:54 PM
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
Salamat talaga!
Sa dinami dami ba naman nang trabaho ngayong buwan, e dito sa thread na ito pa ako napadpad.
Wohohoho!
I nominate this for "1,000X-betterer-than-FB-Thread".
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Post by: Tambolito on September 15, 2010, 07:48:34 PM
Langya nakakatuwa tong thread na to. kung bata lang tong thread na to malamang marunong na to humawak ng gitara hahaha
cheers!!
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Post by: coy_2cute on September 16, 2010, 03:52:42 PM
Sa dinami dami ba naman nang trabaho ngayong buwan, e dito sa thread na ito pa ako napadpad.
Wohohoho!
I nominate this for "1,000X-betterer-than-FB-Thread".
I second the motion!
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Post by: bill_navarette on September 16, 2010, 03:58:59 PM
Starters I think cheap local guitars should be fine, as long me mag setup sayo na marunong.
Intermediate syempre upgrade na ng gamit, syempre marunong ka na so ma appreciate mo na sound quality defined by the wood, pickups, and others..
Experts: me kita na ito sa mga gigs at me budget to buy beautiful instruments. Personal preference na ito when buying original stuff. I believe these kind of musicians are more appreciative to quality than price. If they have the money they would buy origs, it's love... :)
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Post by: rockarolla on September 16, 2010, 10:37:08 PM
you must be referring "original" like imported/branded ones against copies or locally made.
major thing that will be considered is the experience on the trade. companies, mostly branded ones have years of experience crafting guitars not to mention the painful fine tuning process they've been through. so yes, it matters 8-)
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Post by: ninmei on September 17, 2010, 09:19:10 AM
First of all, better syntax for interrogatives would definitely be good. ;)
Personally, I haven't been a brand person lately. If it works, it works - regardless of the guitar's origin.
agree ako d2 regardless kung anong brand ng gitara mo may mga di kilalang brand na panalo ang sound quality or far more better sa mga mas kilalang brands
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Post by: BANTATAY on September 23, 2010, 11:15:47 AM
ARF ARF ARF ARF!!!!!
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Post by: nathanmanansala on October 11, 2010, 06:00:27 PM
its a classic. its timeless.
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Post by: dumbbest on October 11, 2010, 06:08:54 PM
im not get the topic :?
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Post by: Van* on October 11, 2010, 10:05:18 PM
A dax has leave the music source but he is live in our heart. The dax is made artec known and good sounds pickups and replies fast! :-o he is full of humbleness... i wish you success in you lives. bcoz of you, i will bought a artec xbba pickup. thanks sir dax!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by: zyehj on October 12, 2010, 12:09:40 AM
naiiyak ako sa thread na ito.. naalala ko nung unang sali ko sa PM nabasa ko na ito huhuhuh (emo*)
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Post by: silverwings on October 13, 2010, 11:38:50 PM
pati ito naguguluhan ako eh...
halimbawa pag yung gitara 50,000 at yun ang orig tapos mag pa customized ka na lang ng same specs same woods mga materyales at mababa pa presyo nun local na customized lang hahaha.. at same sounds din??
ano ba talaga yung brand ba halimbawa gibson ang mahal..o pang display lang at makikita ng tao na naka gibson?
di bale para sa akin sa US kasi marami naka gamit ng gibson at madaming sikat na guitarista doon..
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Post by: bryanarzaga on October 14, 2010, 12:23:10 AM
halimbawa pag yung gitara 50,000 at yun ang orig tapos mag pa customized ka na lang ng same specs same woods mga materyales at mababa pa presyo nun local na customized lang hahaha.. at same sounds din??
no two guitars even original sound the same..
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ano ba talaga yung brand ba halimbawa gibson ang mahal..o pang display lang at makikita ng tao na naka gibson?
di bale para sa akin sa US kasi marami naka gamit ng gibson at madaming sikat na guitarista doon..
its a classic guitar shape, if you want a Gibson, you buy a gibson..but if you want a 'les paul shaped' guitar your options are alot..
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Post by: albumin on October 14, 2010, 12:25:49 AM
halimbawa pag yung gitara 50,000 at yun ang orig tapos mag pa customized ka na lang ng same specs same woods mga materyales at mababa pa presyo nun local na customized lang hahaha.. at same sounds din??
ano ba talaga yung brand ba halimbawa gibson ang mahal..o pang display lang at makikita ng tao na naka gibson?
di bale para sa akin sa US kasi marami naka gamit ng gibson at madaming sikat na guitarista doon..
hah? di ko magets yung naka bold.. ===========================================================================
using goole translations, yung TT (threadtitle), ay may direct translation na:
Ay isang orihinal na electric guitar bagay kaysa sa mga lokal?
[deym. matters = bagay?]
haha.. wala lang..
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Post by: guitar.source on October 14, 2010, 12:30:59 AM
Not really.
You can ask a luthier here to make a blank guitar (Painted) for you, then fill it with original stuff (Soundwise) A mahogany or "kamagong" would be better for body and neck. (IMHO) :lol:
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Post by: Poundcake on October 14, 2010, 12:49:51 AM
I don't know why you guys even bother to discuss about this topic :lol:
All I know is that this thread is a cornerstone of Guitar Central pop culture :lol:
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: Zacchary_amadeus on October 14, 2010, 03:39:07 AM
it's not in the guitar but its how you play it! - actually ernie ball strings quote ni Dave Mustaine yan eh kaso strings yung tinutukoy wahahah :-D :-D :-D
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Post by: jbarot on October 14, 2010, 08:53:27 AM
hehehe! this reminds of a story of a famous guitar player who was approached by a fan complementing him on his guitar. "the sound of your guitar is great! what tone, what emotion!" the guitar player smiled and put his guitar in the case. then he said "does it sound good now?"
i think a good guitar is only one part of the equation. the fingers, the strings, the amps, the pedals and even the songs played determine tone. thats my opinion. madaming gitarista dito na hindi orig ang gamit, pero the skill level is up there, and their tone is great. the other side of the coin, meron gitarista dito na puro custom high end ang gamit pero tunog utot naman. hehehe
pero iba pa rin ang "orig." for example to play a '68 strat or a 50's tele squire would send chills down my spine. pero hindi lahat ng orig maganda. kahit orig na gibson/fender pumapaltos din. CNC produced kasi.
i suppose what matters is what matters to the player. if he/she thinks that imported/custom gear will get the job done, rock on! and there's nothing wrong with playing local gear, you're helping the economy at least :-D. and hopefully once the local manufacturers realize that pinoy musicians are not tone deaf, they'll start making decent gear.
to me the song comes first, not the gear. :-)
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: lovecore on October 31, 2010, 07:11:21 AM
tama jbarot. +1 ako dyan...
just to add to the fun, well, even a local guitar is an original of itself anyway so it doesn't matter :-D
Besides, when I was playing my first squier and first genesis guitar, I still had the same fun I had compared to playing my Fender or Gibby. It's of course nice and more enjoyable to be playing with a tone and sound that you like but of course, the first thing there is "playing." Just play and enjoy the music that you make regardless of what you use to play it :-)
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: jbarot on October 31, 2010, 07:33:05 AM
a lot of us (myself included) tend to get caught up on details. the reason why i wanted to earn to play is not because of the cool gear i can get, but i just wanted to learn play "message in a bottle" and i didn't care what guitar to use. then the more i learned about guitars and gear the more i forgot about the songs. which was a shame, now i've stripped down my gear to just 3 guitars (just one brand name, and its not even a solidbody) and kept a 4 pedals (which i don't even use) and i can say that i'm content. for now...hehehehe
now i'm just into playing songs and pieces i like, now that i think i'm satisfied with my gear.
i think the best advice is to just do the best with what you have :-) and just rock! songs come first
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: rockarolla on October 31, 2010, 09:51:06 AM
by million quarter miles
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: blueberry on October 31, 2010, 02:36:56 PM
ang ibig sabihin siguro ng starter ay : Imported guitars vs. Local guitars
dpende yan eh. Kung Elegee guitar ang ilalatag sa akin, shoot n ako dun!!
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: fraudulentzodiac on October 31, 2010, 04:14:49 PM
bakit lumabas na naman 'tong thread di pa naman niya 4th birthday ah. :lol:
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: burnsbhm on October 31, 2010, 06:56:56 PM
I don't know why you guys even bother to discuss about this topic :lol:
All I know is that this thread is a cornerstone of Guitar Central pop culture :lol:
Ian pinatawa mo ko rito a? :-D
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: rayq78 on October 31, 2010, 11:25:37 PM
guitar to smash...
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: nathanmanansala on December 17, 2010, 09:37:49 PM
shame on you people. over a month since the last bump. and this is supposed to be like the secret handshake to this exclusive club (really, i propose we greet each other with the thread title)
here's my contribution to the PMGC spirit. 2 days before the 4th anniv. para we will all remember to raise a toast. the one thread that unites us all. :-D
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: rad_12 on December 17, 2010, 09:51:54 PM
humihinga pa pala 'tong thread na 'to...
sir sali ako sa toast for this thread hehe
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: masterchoxter on December 17, 2010, 09:53:05 PM
RFLMAO!
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: superbuni123 on December 17, 2010, 10:26:50 PM
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: markv on December 25, 2010, 10:31:27 PM
Let's talk again about an all-too-familiar subject: is an original electric guitar matters than local? and its mentally deficient undertakings. Permit me this forum to rant. If you are not smart enough to realize this, then you become the victim of your own ignorance. Although a thorough discussion of discourteous diabolism is beyond the scope of this letter, is an original electric guitar matters than local? either is or elects to be ignorant of scientific principles and methods. It even intentionally misuses scientific terminology to undermine the basic values of work, responsibility, and family. I realize that some people may have trouble reading this letter. Granted, not everyone knows what "biblicopsychological" means, but it's nevertheless easy to understand that if I withheld my feelings on this matter, I'd be no less pernicious than is an original electric guitar matters than local?. I unequivocally insist that is an original electric guitar matters than local? thinks there should be a law prohibiting people from saying any harsh or unkind things against it. Deal with it.
I don't want to build castles in the air. I don't want to plan things that I can't yet implement. But I do want to let is an original electric guitar matters than local? know, in no uncertain terms, that it feels no guilt for any of the harm it's caused because doing so clearly demonstrates how it is the embodiment of everything petty in our lives. Every grievance, every envy, every inconsiderate ideology finds expression in is an original electric guitar matters than local?. The best advice I can give to a group is to criticize is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s complicity in the widespread establishment of misoneism. That's just a fancy way of saying that my cause is to help you reflect and reexamine your views on is an original electric guitar matters than local?. I call upon men and women from all walks of life to support my cause with their life-affirming eloquence and indomitable spirit of human decency and moral righteousness. Only then will the whole world realize that is an original electric guitar matters than local? accuses me of being a liar. The only proven liar around here, however, is is an original electric guitar matters than local?. Only a die-hard liar like is an original electric guitar matters than local? could claim that governments should have the right to lie to their own subjects or to other governments. The truth, in case you haven't already figured it out, is that its hypnopompic insights are rife with contradictions and difficulties; they're thoroughly predaceous, meet no objective criteria, and are unsuited for a supposedly educated population. And as if that weren't enough, its obtrusive campaigns of malice and malignity are in full flower, and their poisonous petals of conformism are blooming all around us.
Although is an original electric guitar matters than local? babbles on and on about particularism, it has no more conception of it than any other otiose fault-finder. Of course, in a discussion of this type, one should obviously mention that is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s cat's-paws believe that "is an original electric guitar matters than local? is a spokesman for God." First off, that's a lousy sentence. If they had written instead that is an original electric guitar matters than local? is a wee bit overzealous in its defense of heathenism then that quote would have had more validity. As it stands, there are those who are informed and educated about the evils of officialism, and there are those who are not. Is an original electric guitar matters than local? is one of the uninformed, naturally, and that's why I can say one thing about it. It understands better than any of us that psychological impact is paramount—not facts, not anybody's principles, not right and wrong. I'm not suggesting that we behave likewise. I'm suggesting only that I believe I have found my calling. My calling is to take steps toward creating an inclusive society free of attitudinal barriers. And just let it try and stop me.
Many people are worried that is an original electric guitar matters than local? will send the wrong message to children faster than you can say "thyroparathyroidectomize". I don't like to speculate on uncertain things, but I will say that difficult times lie ahead. Fortunately, we have the capacity to circumvent much of the impending misery by working together to tell is an original electric guitar matters than local? how wrong it is. Anyone who follows today's debates on exclusivism and, by happenstance, is also familiar with is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s disruptive, savage tractates is struck by that old truism: Every so often, is an original electric guitar matters than local? tries peddling the snake oil of slatternly priggism. Whenever it gets caught doing so it raises a terrific hullabaloo calculated to incite young people to copulate early, often, and indiscriminately.
Is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s false-flag operations are not an abstract problem. They have very concrete, immediate, and unpleasant consequences. For instance, is an original electric guitar matters than local? sees no reason why it shouldn't progressively enlarge and increasingly centralize the means of oppression, exploitation, violence, and destruction. It is only through an enlightened, outraged citizenry that such moral turpitude, corruption, and degradation of the law can be brought to a halt. So, let me enlighten and outrage you by stating that the most snarky extortionists you'll ever see conform their opinions about what is right and what is wrong to their perception of is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s opinions and behavior. Let me try to explain what I mean by that in a single sentence: If you think that is an original electric guitar matters than local? answers to no one, then think again.
How on earth these New Age nutters can think of themselves as anything but fickle, pestiferous barbarians is beyond me. For the moment, is an original electric guitar matters than local? makes no secret of the fact that many innocent people are being manipulated into marginalizing me based on my gender, race, or religion by the most sickening display of devious, shallow cant that I have ever witnessed in my entire life. The real question here is not, "Is is an original electric guitar matters than local? a professional simpleton or merely a well-meaning amateur?". The real question is rather, "Which of the seven deadly sins—pride, envy, anger, sadness, avarice, gluttony, and lust—does is an original electric guitar matters than local? not commit on a daily basis?" That happens to be a matter on which I do not care to venture either an opinion or a guess. I do, however, feel that I should state that is an original electric guitar matters than local? truly believes that it is beyond reproach. I hope you realize that that's just a money-grubbing pipe dream from a covinous pipe and that in the real world, is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s toadies' thinking is fenced in by many constraints. Their minds are not free because they dare not be.
Is an original electric guitar matters than local? can blame me for the influx of debauched nincompoops if it makes it feel better but it won't help its cause any. I assert that there are in fact many people who possess the intelligence, wisdom, talent, and ability to put is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s short-sighted convictions to the question. My goal is to locate those people and encourage them to help me expose is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s malversation.
Is this anything other than self-righteous plagiarism? The answer is obvious if you happen to notice that I feel that writing this letter is like celestial navigation. Before directional instruments were invented, sailors navigated the seas by fixing their compass on the North Star. However, if is an original electric guitar matters than local? were to trick them into fixing their compass on the wrong star they'd soon be so off-course that they'd actually be willing to help it leach integrity and honor from our souls. Pardon my coarse language, but I cannot compromise with is an original electric guitar matters than local?; it is without principles. I cannot reason with it; it is without reason. But I can warn it and with a warning it must doubtlessly take to heart: I should note that our path is set. By this, I mean that in order to embrace the cause of self-determination and recognize the leading role and clearer understanding of those people for whom the quintessential struggle is an encompassing liberation movement against the totality of defeatism, we must ensure that we survive and emerge triumphant out of the coming chaos and destruction. I consider that requirement a small price to pay because the pen is a powerful tool. Why don't we use that tool to justify condemnation, constructive criticism, and ridicule of is an original electric guitar matters than local? and its self-aggrandizing tricks?
Is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s latest expedients have arisen like a phoenix out of the ashes and failures of their ignominious forebears. But the problems with is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s put-downs don't end there. There are three points I need to make here. First, is an original electric guitar matters than local? proclaims at every opportunity that its mission is to lobotomize everyone caught thinking an independent thought. Second, I would much rather launch an all-out ideological attack against the forces of neopaganism than waste my precious time chastising rebarbative cadgers. And third, some people think it's a bit extreme of me to take the initiative to solve our problems over a negotiating table instead of resorting to the battlefield—a bit over the top, perhaps. Well, what I ought to remind such people is that is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s understrappers warrant that is an original electric guitar matters than local? knows 100% of everything 100% of the time. I say to them, "Prove it"—not that they'll be able to, of course, but because while decent people sit by, snore, and have their maws open, is an original electric guitar matters than local? is out demonstrating an outright hostility to law enforcement. That shouldn't surprise you when you consider that we must show it that we are not powerless pedestrians on the asphalt of life. We must show is an original electric guitar matters than local? that we can build a new understanding that can transport us to tomorrow. Maybe then is an original electric guitar matters than local? will realize that its favorite tactic is known as "deceiving with the truth". The idea behind this tactic is that is an original electric guitar matters than local? wins our trust by revealing the truth but leaving some of it out. This makes us less likely to oppose evil wherever it rears its foul-mouthed head.
This is a lesson for those with eyes to see. It is a lesson not so much about is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s hectoring behavior but about the way that is an original electric guitar matters than local? pompously claims that it should be a given a direct pipeline to the National Treasury. That sort of nonsense impresses many people, unfortunately. Ancient Greek dramatists discerned a peculiar virtue in being tragic. Is an original electric guitar matters than local? would do well to realize that they never discerned any virtue in being lewd. Is an original electric guitar matters than local? will probably respond to this letter just like it responds to all criticism. It will put me down as "wicked" or "pathetic". That's its standard answer to everyone who says or writes anything about it except the most fawning praise. I have just enough stomach left to address one last instance of is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s vindictive imbecility: Is an original electric guitar matters than local? sincerely believes that mediocrity and normalcy are ideal virtues.
:D
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: derekdecastro on December 25, 2010, 11:09:31 PM
@Mark: :-o
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: inzsairis on December 26, 2010, 02:01:47 AM
Let's talk again about an all-too-familiar subject: is an original electric guitar matters than local? and its mentally deficient undertakings. Permit me this forum to rant. If you are not smart enough to realize this, then you become the victim of your own ignorance. Although a thorough discussion of discourteous diabolism is beyond the scope of this letter, is an original electric guitar matters than local? either is or elects to be ignorant of scientific principles and methods. It even intentionally misuses scientific terminology to undermine the basic values of work, responsibility, and family. I realize that some people may have trouble reading this letter. Granted, not everyone knows what "biblicopsychological" means, but it's nevertheless easy to understand that if I withheld my feelings on this matter, I'd be no less pernicious than is an original electric guitar matters than local?. I unequivocally insist that is an original electric guitar matters than local? thinks there should be a law prohibiting people from saying any harsh or unkind things against it. Deal with it.
I don't want to build castles in the air. I don't want to plan things that I can't yet implement. But I do want to let is an original electric guitar matters than local? know, in no uncertain terms, that it feels no guilt for any of the harm it's caused because doing so clearly demonstrates how it is the embodiment of everything petty in our lives. Every grievance, every envy, every inconsiderate ideology finds expression in is an original electric guitar matters than local?. The best advice I can give to a group is to criticize is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s complicity in the widespread establishment of misoneism. That's just a fancy way of saying that my cause is to help you reflect and reexamine your views on is an original electric guitar matters than local?. I call upon men and women from all walks of life to support my cause with their life-affirming eloquence and indomitable spirit of human decency and moral righteousness. Only then will the whole world realize that is an original electric guitar matters than local? accuses me of being a liar. The only proven liar around here, however, is is an original electric guitar matters than local?. Only a die-hard liar like is an original electric guitar matters than local? could claim that governments should have the right to lie to their own subjects or to other governments. The truth, in case you haven't already figured it out, is that its hypnopompic insights are rife with contradictions and difficulties; they're thoroughly predaceous, meet no objective criteria, and are unsuited for a supposedly educated population. And as if that weren't enough, its obtrusive campaigns of malice and malignity are in full flower, and their poisonous petals of conformism are blooming all around us.
Although is an original electric guitar matters than local? babbles on and on about particularism, it has no more conception of it than any other otiose fault-finder. Of course, in a discussion of this type, one should obviously mention that is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s cat's-paws believe that "is an original electric guitar matters than local? is a spokesman for God." First off, that's a lousy sentence. If they had written instead that is an original electric guitar matters than local? is a wee bit overzealous in its defense of heathenism then that quote would have had more validity. As it stands, there are those who are informed and educated about the evils of officialism, and there are those who are not. Is an original electric guitar matters than local? is one of the uninformed, naturally, and that's why I can say one thing about it. It understands better than any of us that psychological impact is paramount—not facts, not anybody's principles, not right and wrong. I'm not suggesting that we behave likewise. I'm suggesting only that I believe I have found my calling. My calling is to take steps toward creating an inclusive society free of attitudinal barriers. And just let it try and stop me.
Many people are worried that is an original electric guitar matters than local? will send the wrong message to children faster than you can say "thyroparathyroidectomize". I don't like to speculate on uncertain things, but I will say that difficult times lie ahead. Fortunately, we have the capacity to circumvent much of the impending misery by working together to tell is an original electric guitar matters than local? how wrong it is. Anyone who follows today's debates on exclusivism and, by happenstance, is also familiar with is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s disruptive, savage tractates is struck by that old truism: Every so often, is an original electric guitar matters than local? tries peddling the snake oil of slatternly priggism. Whenever it gets caught doing so it raises a terrific hullabaloo calculated to incite young people to copulate early, often, and indiscriminately.
Is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s false-flag operations are not an abstract problem. They have very concrete, immediate, and unpleasant consequences. For instance, is an original electric guitar matters than local? sees no reason why it shouldn't progressively enlarge and increasingly centralize the means of oppression, exploitation, violence, and destruction. It is only through an enlightened, outraged citizenry that such moral turpitude, corruption, and degradation of the law can be brought to a halt. So, let me enlighten and outrage you by stating that the most snarky extortionists you'll ever see conform their opinions about what is right and what is wrong to their perception of is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s opinions and behavior. Let me try to explain what I mean by that in a single sentence: If you think that is an original electric guitar matters than local? answers to no one, then think again.
How on earth these New Age nutters can think of themselves as anything but fickle, pestiferous barbarians is beyond me. For the moment, is an original electric guitar matters than local? makes no secret of the fact that many innocent people are being manipulated into marginalizing me based on my gender, race, or religion by the most sickening display of devious, shallow cant that I have ever witnessed in my entire life. The real question here is not, "Is is an original electric guitar matters than local? a professional simpleton or merely a well-meaning amateur?". The real question is rather, "Which of the seven deadly sins—pride, envy, anger, sadness, avarice, gluttony, and lust—does is an original electric guitar matters than local? not commit on a daily basis?" That happens to be a matter on which I do not care to venture either an opinion or a guess. I do, however, feel that I should state that is an original electric guitar matters than local? truly believes that it is beyond reproach. I hope you realize that that's just a money-grubbing pipe dream from a covinous pipe and that in the real world, is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s toadies' thinking is fenced in by many constraints. Their minds are not free because they dare not be.
Is an original electric guitar matters than local? can blame me for the influx of debauched nincompoops if it makes it feel better but it won't help its cause any. I assert that there are in fact many people who possess the intelligence, wisdom, talent, and ability to put is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s short-sighted convictions to the question. My goal is to locate those people and encourage them to help me expose is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s malversation.
Is this anything other than self-righteous plagiarism? The answer is obvious if you happen to notice that I feel that writing this letter is like celestial navigation. Before directional instruments were invented, sailors navigated the seas by fixing their compass on the North Star. However, if is an original electric guitar matters than local? were to trick them into fixing their compass on the wrong star they'd soon be so off-course that they'd actually be willing to help it leach integrity and honor from our souls. Pardon my coarse language, but I cannot compromise with is an original electric guitar matters than local?; it is without principles. I cannot reason with it; it is without reason. But I can warn it and with a warning it must doubtlessly take to heart: I should note that our path is set. By this, I mean that in order to embrace the cause of self-determination and recognize the leading role and clearer understanding of those people for whom the quintessential struggle is an encompassing liberation movement against the totality of defeatism, we must ensure that we survive and emerge triumphant out of the coming chaos and destruction. I consider that requirement a small price to pay because the pen is a powerful tool. Why don't we use that tool to justify condemnation, constructive criticism, and ridicule of is an original electric guitar matters than local? and its self-aggrandizing tricks?
Is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s latest expedients have arisen like a phoenix out of the ashes and failures of their ignominious forebears. But the problems with is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s put-downs don't end there. There are three points I need to make here. First, is an original electric guitar matters than local? proclaims at every opportunity that its mission is to lobotomize everyone caught thinking an independent thought. Second, I would much rather launch an all-out ideological attack against the forces of neopaganism than waste my precious time chastising rebarbative cadgers. And third, some people think it's a bit extreme of me to take the initiative to solve our problems over a negotiating table instead of resorting to the battlefield—a bit over the top, perhaps. Well, what I ought to remind such people is that is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s understrappers warrant that is an original electric guitar matters than local? knows 100% of everything 100% of the time. I say to them, "Prove it"—not that they'll be able to, of course, but because while decent people sit by, snore, and have their maws open, is an original electric guitar matters than local? is out demonstrating an outright hostility to law enforcement. That shouldn't surprise you when you consider that we must show it that we are not powerless pedestrians on the asphalt of life. We must show is an original electric guitar matters than local? that we can build a new understanding that can transport us to tomorrow. Maybe then is an original electric guitar matters than local? will realize that its favorite tactic is known as "deceiving with the truth". The idea behind this tactic is that is an original electric guitar matters than local? wins our trust by revealing the truth but leaving some of it out. This makes us less likely to oppose evil wherever it rears its foul-mouthed head.
This is a lesson for those with eyes to see. It is a lesson not so much about is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s hectoring behavior but about the way that is an original electric guitar matters than local? pompously claims that it should be a given a direct pipeline to the National Treasury. That sort of nonsense impresses many people, unfortunately. Ancient Greek dramatists discerned a peculiar virtue in being tragic. Is an original electric guitar matters than local? would do well to realize that they never discerned any virtue in being lewd. Is an original electric guitar matters than local? will probably respond to this letter just like it responds to all criticism. It will put me down as "wicked" or "pathetic". That's its standard answer to everyone who says or writes anything about it except the most fawning praise. I have just enough stomach left to address one last instance of is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s vindictive imbecility: Is an original electric guitar matters than local? sincerely believes that mediocrity and normalcy are ideal virtues.
:D
lol hahaha... :lol: coke? or china?
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: beggarsmoon on December 26, 2010, 02:36:11 AM
Hahaha, napaka profound at verbose naman ng post ni markv, natawa ako :-D
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: derekdecastro on December 26, 2010, 01:10:35 PM
Let's talk again about an all-too-familiar subject: is an original electric guitar matters than local? and its mentally deficient undertakings. Permit me this forum to rant. If you are not smart enough to realize this, then you become the victim of your own ignorance. Although a thorough discussion of discourteous diabolism is beyond the scope of this letter, is an original electric guitar matters than local? either is or elects to be ignorant of scientific principles and methods. It even intentionally misuses scientific terminology to undermine the basic values of work, responsibility, and family. I realize that some people may have trouble reading this letter. Granted, not everyone knows what "biblicopsychological" means, but it's nevertheless easy to understand that if I withheld my feelings on this matter, I'd be no less pernicious than is an original electric guitar matters than local?. I unequivocally insist that is an original electric guitar matters than local? thinks there should be a law prohibiting people from saying any harsh or unkind things against it. Deal with it.
I don't want to build castles in the air. I don't want to plan things that I can't yet implement. But I do want to let is an original electric guitar matters than local? know, in no uncertain terms, that it feels no guilt for any of the harm it's caused because doing so clearly demonstrates how it is the embodiment of everything petty in our lives. Every grievance, every envy, every inconsiderate ideology finds expression in is an original electric guitar matters than local?. The best advice I can give to a group is to criticize is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s complicity in the widespread establishment of misoneism. That's just a fancy way of saying that my cause is to help you reflect and reexamine your views on is an original electric guitar matters than local?. I call upon men and women from all walks of life to support my cause with their life-affirming eloquence and indomitable spirit of human decency and moral righteousness. Only then will the whole world realize that is an original electric guitar matters than local? accuses me of being a liar. The only proven liar around here, however, is is an original electric guitar matters than local?. Only a die-hard liar like is an original electric guitar matters than local? could claim that governments should have the right to lie to their own subjects or to other governments. The truth, in case you haven't already figured it out, is that its hypnopompic insights are rife with contradictions and difficulties; they're thoroughly predaceous, meet no objective criteria, and are unsuited for a supposedly educated population. And as if that weren't enough, its obtrusive campaigns of malice and malignity are in full flower, and their poisonous petals of conformism are blooming all around us.
Although is an original electric guitar matters than local? babbles on and on about particularism, it has no more conception of it than any other otiose fault-finder. Of course, in a discussion of this type, one should obviously mention that is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s cat's-paws believe that "is an original electric guitar matters than local? is a spokesman for God." First off, that's a lousy sentence. If they had written instead that is an original electric guitar matters than local? is a wee bit overzealous in its defense of heathenism then that quote would have had more validity. As it stands, there are those who are informed and educated about the evils of officialism, and there are those who are not. Is an original electric guitar matters than local? is one of the uninformed, naturally, and that's why I can say one thing about it. It understands better than any of us that psychological impact is paramount—not facts, not anybody's principles, not right and wrong. I'm not suggesting that we behave likewise. I'm suggesting only that I believe I have found my calling. My calling is to take steps toward creating an inclusive society free of attitudinal barriers. And just let it try and stop me.
Many people are worried that is an original electric guitar matters than local? will send the wrong message to children faster than you can say "thyroparathyroidectomize". I don't like to speculate on uncertain things, but I will say that difficult times lie ahead. Fortunately, we have the capacity to circumvent much of the impending misery by working together to tell is an original electric guitar matters than local? how wrong it is. Anyone who follows today's debates on exclusivism and, by happenstance, is also familiar with is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s disruptive, savage tractates is struck by that old truism: Every so often, is an original electric guitar matters than local? tries peddling the snake oil of slatternly priggism. Whenever it gets caught doing so it raises a terrific hullabaloo calculated to incite young people to copulate early, often, and indiscriminately.
Is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s false-flag operations are not an abstract problem. They have very concrete, immediate, and unpleasant consequences. For instance, is an original electric guitar matters than local? sees no reason why it shouldn't progressively enlarge and increasingly centralize the means of oppression, exploitation, violence, and destruction. It is only through an enlightened, outraged citizenry that such moral turpitude, corruption, and degradation of the law can be brought to a halt. So, let me enlighten and outrage you by stating that the most snarky extortionists you'll ever see conform their opinions about what is right and what is wrong to their perception of is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s opinions and behavior. Let me try to explain what I mean by that in a single sentence: If you think that is an original electric guitar matters than local? answers to no one, then think again.
How on earth these New Age nutters can think of themselves as anything but fickle, pestiferous barbarians is beyond me. For the moment, is an original electric guitar matters than local? makes no secret of the fact that many innocent people are being manipulated into marginalizing me based on my gender, race, or religion by the most sickening display of devious, shallow cant that I have ever witnessed in my entire life. The real question here is not, "Is is an original electric guitar matters than local? a professional simpleton or merely a well-meaning amateur?". The real question is rather, "Which of the seven deadly sins—pride, envy, anger, sadness, avarice, gluttony, and lust—does is an original electric guitar matters than local? not commit on a daily basis?" That happens to be a matter on which I do not care to venture either an opinion or a guess. I do, however, feel that I should state that is an original electric guitar matters than local? truly believes that it is beyond reproach. I hope you realize that that's just a money-grubbing pipe dream from a covinous pipe and that in the real world, is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s toadies' thinking is fenced in by many constraints. Their minds are not free because they dare not be.
Is an original electric guitar matters than local? can blame me for the influx of debauched nincompoops if it makes it feel better but it won't help its cause any. I assert that there are in fact many people who possess the intelligence, wisdom, talent, and ability to put is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s short-sighted convictions to the question. My goal is to locate those people and encourage them to help me expose is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s malversation.
Is this anything other than self-righteous plagiarism? The answer is obvious if you happen to notice that I feel that writing this letter is like celestial navigation. Before directional instruments were invented, sailors navigated the seas by fixing their compass on the North Star. However, if is an original electric guitar matters than local? were to trick them into fixing their compass on the wrong star they'd soon be so off-course that they'd actually be willing to help it leach integrity and honor from our souls. Pardon my coarse language, but I cannot compromise with is an original electric guitar matters than local?; it is without principles. I cannot reason with it; it is without reason. But I can warn it and with a warning it must doubtlessly take to heart: I should note that our path is set. By this, I mean that in order to embrace the cause of self-determination and recognize the leading role and clearer understanding of those people for whom the quintessential struggle is an encompassing liberation movement against the totality of defeatism, we must ensure that we survive and emerge triumphant out of the coming chaos and destruction. I consider that requirement a small price to pay because the pen is a powerful tool. Why don't we use that tool to justify condemnation, constructive criticism, and ridicule of is an original electric guitar matters than local? and its self-aggrandizing tricks?
Is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s latest expedients have arisen like a phoenix out of the ashes and failures of their ignominious forebears. But the problems with is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s put-downs don't end there. There are three points I need to make here. First, is an original electric guitar matters than local? proclaims at every opportunity that its mission is to lobotomize everyone caught thinking an independent thought. Second, I would much rather launch an all-out ideological attack against the forces of neopaganism than waste my precious time chastising rebarbative cadgers. And third, some people think it's a bit extreme of me to take the initiative to solve our problems over a negotiating table instead of resorting to the battlefield—a bit over the top, perhaps. Well, what I ought to remind such people is that is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s understrappers warrant that is an original electric guitar matters than local? knows 100% of everything 100% of the time. I say to them, "Prove it"—not that they'll be able to, of course, but because while decent people sit by, snore, and have their maws open, is an original electric guitar matters than local? is out demonstrating an outright hostility to law enforcement. That shouldn't surprise you when you consider that we must show it that we are not powerless pedestrians on the asphalt of life. We must show is an original electric guitar matters than local? that we can build a new understanding that can transport us to tomorrow. Maybe then is an original electric guitar matters than local? will realize that its favorite tactic is known as "deceiving with the truth". The idea behind this tactic is that is an original electric guitar matters than local? wins our trust by revealing the truth but leaving some of it out. This makes us less likely to oppose evil wherever it rears its foul-mouthed head.
This is a lesson for those with eyes to see. It is a lesson not so much about is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s hectoring behavior but about the way that is an original electric guitar matters than local? pompously claims that it should be a given a direct pipeline to the National Treasury. That sort of nonsense impresses many people, unfortunately. Ancient Greek dramatists discerned a peculiar virtue in being tragic. Is an original electric guitar matters than local? would do well to realize that they never discerned any virtue in being lewd. Is an original electric guitar matters than local? will probably respond to this letter just like it responds to all criticism. It will put me down as "wicked" or "pathetic". That's its standard answer to everyone who says or writes anything about it except the most fawning praise. I have just enough stomach left to address one last instance of is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s vindictive imbecility: Is an original electric guitar matters than local? sincerely believes that mediocrity and normalcy are ideal virtues. :D
Now let's see if the people concerned can understand and comprehend this.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: lovecore on January 16, 2011, 03:25:46 PM
Let's talk again about an all-too-familiar subject: is an original electric guitar matters than local? and its mentally deficient undertakings. Permit me this forum to rant. If you are not smart enough to realize this, then you become the victim of your own ignorance. Although a thorough discussion of discourteous diabolism is beyond the scope of this letter, is an original electric guitar matters than local? either is or elects to be ignorant of scientific principles and methods. It even intentionally misuses scientific terminology to undermine the basic values of work, responsibility, and family. I realize that some people may have trouble reading this letter. Granted, not everyone knows what "biblicopsychological" means, but it's nevertheless easy to understand that if I withheld my feelings on this matter, I'd be no less pernicious than is an original electric guitar matters than local?. I unequivocally insist that is an original electric guitar matters than local? thinks there should be a law prohibiting people from saying any harsh or unkind things against it. Deal with it.
I don't want to build castles in the air. I don't want to plan things that I can't yet implement. But I do want to let is an original electric guitar matters than local? know, in no uncertain terms, that it feels no guilt for any of the harm it's caused because doing so clearly demonstrates how it is the embodiment of everything petty in our lives. Every grievance, every envy, every inconsiderate ideology finds expression in is an original electric guitar matters than local?. The best advice I can give to a group is to criticize is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s complicity in the widespread establishment of misoneism. That's just a fancy way of saying that my cause is to help you reflect and reexamine your views on is an original electric guitar matters than local?. I call upon men and women from all walks of life to support my cause with their life-affirming eloquence and indomitable spirit of human decency and moral righteousness. Only then will the whole world realize that is an original electric guitar matters than local? accuses me of being a liar. The only proven liar around here, however, is is an original electric guitar matters than local?. Only a die-hard liar like is an original electric guitar matters than local? could claim that governments should have the right to lie to their own subjects or to other governments. The truth, in case you haven't already figured it out, is that its hypnopompic insights are rife with contradictions and difficulties; they're thoroughly predaceous, meet no objective criteria, and are unsuited for a supposedly educated population. And as if that weren't enough, its obtrusive campaigns of malice and malignity are in full flower, and their poisonous petals of conformism are blooming all around us.
Although is an original electric guitar matters than local? babbles on and on about particularism, it has no more conception of it than any other otiose fault-finder. Of course, in a discussion of this type, one should obviously mention that is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s cat's-paws believe that "is an original electric guitar matters than local? is a spokesman for God." First off, that's a lousy sentence. If they had written instead that is an original electric guitar matters than local? is a wee bit overzealous in its defense of heathenism then that quote would have had more validity. As it stands, there are those who are informed and educated about the evils of officialism, and there are those who are not. Is an original electric guitar matters than local? is one of the uninformed, naturally, and that's why I can say one thing about it. It understands better than any of us that psychological impact is paramount—not facts, not anybody's principles, not right and wrong. I'm not suggesting that we behave likewise. I'm suggesting only that I believe I have found my calling. My calling is to take steps toward creating an inclusive society free of attitudinal barriers. And just let it try and stop me.
Many people are worried that is an original electric guitar matters than local? will send the wrong message to children faster than you can say "thyroparathyroidectomize". I don't like to speculate on uncertain things, but I will say that difficult times lie ahead. Fortunately, we have the capacity to circumvent much of the impending misery by working together to tell is an original electric guitar matters than local? how wrong it is. Anyone who follows today's debates on exclusivism and, by happenstance, is also familiar with is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s disruptive, savage tractates is struck by that old truism: Every so often, is an original electric guitar matters than local? tries peddling the snake oil of slatternly priggism. Whenever it gets caught doing so it raises a terrific hullabaloo calculated to incite young people to copulate early, often, and indiscriminately.
Is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s false-flag operations are not an abstract problem. They have very concrete, immediate, and unpleasant consequences. For instance, is an original electric guitar matters than local? sees no reason why it shouldn't progressively enlarge and increasingly centralize the means of oppression, exploitation, violence, and destruction. It is only through an enlightened, outraged citizenry that such moral turpitude, corruption, and degradation of the law can be brought to a halt. So, let me enlighten and outrage you by stating that the most snarky extortionists you'll ever see conform their opinions about what is right and what is wrong to their perception of is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s opinions and behavior. Let me try to explain what I mean by that in a single sentence: If you think that is an original electric guitar matters than local? answers to no one, then think again.
How on earth these New Age nutters can think of themselves as anything but fickle, pestiferous barbarians is beyond me. For the moment, is an original electric guitar matters than local? makes no secret of the fact that many innocent people are being manipulated into marginalizing me based on my gender, race, or religion by the most sickening display of devious, shallow cant that I have ever witnessed in my entire life. The real question here is not, "Is is an original electric guitar matters than local? a professional simpleton or merely a well-meaning amateur?". The real question is rather, "Which of the seven deadly sins—pride, envy, anger, sadness, avarice, gluttony, and lust—does is an original electric guitar matters than local? not commit on a daily basis?" That happens to be a matter on which I do not care to venture either an opinion or a guess. I do, however, feel that I should state that is an original electric guitar matters than local? truly believes that it is beyond reproach. I hope you realize that that's just a money-grubbing pipe dream from a covinous pipe and that in the real world, is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s toadies' thinking is fenced in by many constraints. Their minds are not free because they dare not be.
Is an original electric guitar matters than local? can blame me for the influx of debauched nincompoops if it makes it feel better but it won't help its cause any. I assert that there are in fact many people who possess the intelligence, wisdom, talent, and ability to put is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s short-sighted convictions to the question. My goal is to locate those people and encourage them to help me expose is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s malversation.
Is this anything other than self-righteous plagiarism? The answer is obvious if you happen to notice that I feel that writing this letter is like celestial navigation. Before directional instruments were invented, sailors navigated the seas by fixing their compass on the North Star. However, if is an original electric guitar matters than local? were to trick them into fixing their compass on the wrong star they'd soon be so off-course that they'd actually be willing to help it leach integrity and honor from our souls. Pardon my coarse language, but I cannot compromise with is an original electric guitar matters than local?; it is without principles. I cannot reason with it; it is without reason. But I can warn it and with a warning it must doubtlessly take to heart: I should note that our path is set. By this, I mean that in order to embrace the cause of self-determination and recognize the leading role and clearer understanding of those people for whom the quintessential struggle is an encompassing liberation movement against the totality of defeatism, we must ensure that we survive and emerge triumphant out of the coming chaos and destruction. I consider that requirement a small price to pay because the pen is a powerful tool. Why don't we use that tool to justify condemnation, constructive criticism, and ridicule of is an original electric guitar matters than local? and its self-aggrandizing tricks?
Is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s latest expedients have arisen like a phoenix out of the ashes and failures of their ignominious forebears. But the problems with is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s put-downs don't end there. There are three points I need to make here. First, is an original electric guitar matters than local? proclaims at every opportunity that its mission is to lobotomize everyone caught thinking an independent thought. Second, I would much rather launch an all-out ideological attack against the forces of neopaganism than waste my precious time chastising rebarbative cadgers. And third, some people think it's a bit extreme of me to take the initiative to solve our problems over a negotiating table instead of resorting to the battlefield—a bit over the top, perhaps. Well, what I ought to remind such people is that is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s understrappers warrant that is an original electric guitar matters than local? knows 100% of everything 100% of the time. I say to them, "Prove it"—not that they'll be able to, of course, but because while decent people sit by, snore, and have their maws open, is an original electric guitar matters than local? is out demonstrating an outright hostility to law enforcement. That shouldn't surprise you when you consider that we must show it that we are not powerless pedestrians on the asphalt of life. We must show is an original electric guitar matters than local? that we can build a new understanding that can transport us to tomorrow. Maybe then is an original electric guitar matters than local? will realize that its favorite tactic is known as "deceiving with the truth". The idea behind this tactic is that is an original electric guitar matters than local? wins our trust by revealing the truth but leaving some of it out. This makes us less likely to oppose evil wherever it rears its foul-mouthed head.
This is a lesson for those with eyes to see. It is a lesson not so much about is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s hectoring behavior but about the way that is an original electric guitar matters than local? pompously claims that it should be a given a direct pipeline to the National Treasury. That sort of nonsense impresses many people, unfortunately. Ancient Greek dramatists discerned a peculiar virtue in being tragic. Is an original electric guitar matters than local? would do well to realize that they never discerned any virtue in being lewd. Is an original electric guitar matters than local? will probably respond to this letter just like it responds to all criticism. It will put me down as "wicked" or "pathetic". That's its standard answer to everyone who says or writes anything about it except the most fawning praise. I have just enough stomach left to address one last instance of is an original electric guitar matters than local?'s vindictive imbecility: Is an original electric guitar matters than local? sincerely believes that mediocrity and normalcy are ideal virtues.
:D
ayan hindi nyo pa kasi kli-nose yung thread eh! LOL :-D :lol:
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: CarlosJesena on January 16, 2011, 09:58:59 PM
Woahhh buhay pa 'to!
If it 'aint broke, don't fix it. If you like it, go with it.
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Post by: pualux on January 17, 2011, 12:00:15 AM
hala parang speech ng presidente
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Post by: CeL1916 on January 18, 2011, 07:41:43 PM
palista bago ma lock! hahaha! :-D
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: toybitz on January 18, 2011, 08:18:02 PM
nope, this won't get locked..but your post will be deleted for it has nothing to contribute to the humor of this prized asset in GC, except that it add to your post counts...
hahaha! joke lang bossing...joke lang po. trying hard si Toybitz...sobra. pangit pa.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: sheepsmellslikeseashells on April 19, 2011, 02:31:52 AM
nope, this won't get locked..but your post will be deleted for it has nothing to contribute to the humor of this prized asset in GC, except that it add to your post counts...
hahaha! joke lang bossing...joke lang po. trying hard si Toybitz...sobra. pangit pa.
...is a nominate in merge thread also best to economy? :-D http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,230560.0.html
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: turiguiliano on April 19, 2011, 04:03:39 AM
Is an original electric guitar matters than local? « on: December 19, 2006, 03:01:40 PM »
On December 19, 2011 this thread will be on it's 5th year. Wow!! Does this call for any celebration or what?
sana may award to sa PAMGS! hahaha!
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Post by: Xelly on November 08, 2011, 11:02:21 AM
Utang natin lahat ito kay Arvie!!! :lol:
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: Beatle on November 08, 2011, 04:38:13 PM
HAHAHA! Miss ko na talaga Philmusic! Pati eto buhay paren!! Woot!
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: uruha03 on November 08, 2011, 07:26:44 PM
kinukumpleto tlga ng mga ganitong thread ang araw ko! :D
It's good to have PhilMusic Back :D
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: turiguiliano on November 08, 2011, 07:56:35 PM
Arvie must have been really happy when the forums were down :-D
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Post by: nickson on November 08, 2011, 09:14:22 PM
IN. How could I have missed this all these years!
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Post by: gandydancer123 on November 09, 2011, 12:17:43 AM
Actually there have have vindicated signs in which the people are local abroad, guitars as such mechanical turbulence has never been compromised through Brands and Correlation. Never the Less, often imitated never duplicated. Having said this, understanding and maintenace of a certain wood product have familiar repercussions whenever the 9 volt outlet has been unplugged.
I therefore conclude that Its isnt found in the name of the event but as of many sizes and shapes but makers of Locally manufactured instruments have been dangerously evloved.
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Post by: toybitz on November 10, 2011, 02:31:53 PM
this are must be the most oldest active thread inside Phil of music!
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Post by: DiMarzSiao on November 10, 2011, 02:58:11 PM
IN... I want to be part of history... lolz :roll:
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Post by: Gunslinger on November 10, 2011, 03:00:16 PM
I wanna meet the TS @ the gear show. lulz
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Post by: toybitz on November 10, 2011, 03:10:22 PM
does anyone identify the starter of thread because he may be impersonating a clown now, you know.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: Gep on November 10, 2011, 04:38:29 PM
active pa pala siya... bat di sha nagko-comment dito? :-D
Nasagot na kasi yun question niya :-)
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: weeeeeenesus on November 10, 2011, 11:44:55 PM
wow matanda na pala tong thread na to i thought na bago lang to :)))
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Post by: patchpanel on November 15, 2011, 05:29:26 PM
Epic!
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Post by: chifonclo on November 15, 2011, 05:45:36 PM
laftrip hahaha :-D
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Post by: ioffendpeople on November 15, 2011, 08:51:36 PM
god bless the mods for keeping this thread alive for as long as it does
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Post by: st0mpb0x_bahista on November 15, 2011, 09:09:51 PM
sa dec 18 2011, five years old na tong thread na to hehehe
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Post by: White Falcon on November 28, 2011, 08:28:06 PM
Kahit may mali sa title nagets ko yung gustong ipaabot ng thread. Magrereply sana ako eh, may nabasa kasi akong magandang reply. As I moved on towards other messages laugh trip na lang!
Anyway, salamat sa mga nagpost na may sense. Learned a lot. Sa mga nakakatawang post niyo, nakatanggal kayo ng stress!! Mabuhay kayo!
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Post by: shredmaestrobri on November 28, 2011, 09:54:31 PM
balita ko sa callcenter na nagwowork si threadstarter.
o-ha!
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: DiMarzSiao on November 29, 2011, 12:49:49 AM
Mga sirs, question ulit, lam nio na, noob lang aq. Anu ba lamang ng orig sa local na guitar? Tatak lang ba?
Pls response po ah... thx!
As USUAL, oras na makita ng mga sought-after branded na mga musicians ang axe mo na local, they will laugh at you and they will say, "Local, pangit." Lagi namang pangalan ang binabayaran sa mga orig eh. Bakit??? Hindi ba orig ang RJ?? RJ guitars is an original Filipino Electric guitar. Kung may 10 electric guitar na ilalagay sa harap ko na ang mga brands ay 1. Gibson 2. Fender 3. Yamaha 4. Fernando 5. Rockstar 6. Charvel 7. Ibanez 8. PRS 9. Fernandes 10. RJ
I will chose RJ. Tiwala ako sa gawa ng kapwa ko Pilipino. :)
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: r_chino18 on April 06, 2012, 05:48:41 PM
As USUAL, oras na makita ng mga sought-after branded na mga musicians ang axe mo na local, they will laugh at you and they will say, "Local, pangit." Lagi namang pangalan ang binabayaran sa mga orig eh. Bakit??? Hindi ba orig ang RJ?? RJ guitars is an original Filipino Electric guitar. Kung may 10 electric guitar na ilalagay sa harap ko na ang mga brands ay 1. Gibson 2. Fender 3. Yamaha 4. Fernando 5. Rockstar 6. Charvel 7. Ibanez 8. PRS 9. Fernandes 10. RJ
I will chose RJ. Tiwala ako sa gawa ng kapwa ko Pilipino. :)
Nakita mo na ba boss yung mga gitara na RJ na "RJ" ang nasa headstock pero pag niliha mo ay may ibang brand sa ilalim? Hindi kaya pangalan lang din ang binabayaran mo dun sa RJ na yun?
Some RJ electric guitars are not original Filipino electric guitars anymore. Rebadged. Tiwala ka pa ba sa ginagawa ng Pilipino?
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: boypickup on April 07, 2012, 07:42:42 AM
Nakita mo na ba boss yung mga gitara na RJ na "RJ" ang nasa headstock pero pag niliha mo ay may ibang brand sa ilalim? Hindi kaya pangalan lang din ang binabayaran mo dun sa RJ na yun?
Some RJ electric guitars are not original Filipino electric guitars anymore. Rebadged. Tiwala ka pa ba sa ginagawa ng Pilipino?
Talaga???? hindi ko alam yan. Siguro nga tama ka. Wala nang produktong pilipino na pwedeng pagtiwalaan when it comes to electric guitar. Kailan pa yun? Nakabiili ka ba ng sample kaya nalaman mo yan????????
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Post by: elfenliedagain on April 07, 2012, 07:49:09 AM
Talaga???? hindi ko alam yan. Siguro nga tama ka. Wala nang produktong pilipino na pwedeng pagtiwalaan when it comes to electric guitar. Kailan pa yun? Nakabiili ka ba ng sample kaya nalaman mo yan????????
yeah bro. Unfortunately. Fernandos and RJs are either MIChina or MIKorea. Nothing so Filipino 'bout that.
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Post by: r_chino18 on April 07, 2012, 08:48:24 AM
Talaga???? hindi ko alam yan. Siguro nga tama ka. Wala nang produktong pilipino na pwedeng pagtiwalaan when it comes to electric guitar. Kailan pa yun? Nakabiili ka ba ng sample kaya nalaman mo yan????????
Yup. I've read many discussion in the past about them being rebadged guitars. Pero there was one forumer who intentionally sanded off the headstock decal to show what's underneath. Lo and behold, may ibang brand nga sa ilalim. It's an LP model by the way.
I have not bought an RJ guitar for myself, though.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: boypickup on April 07, 2012, 08:59:04 AM
Yup. I've read many discussion in the past about them being rebadged guitars. Pero there was one forumer who intentionally sanded off the headstock decal to show what's underneath. Lo and behold, may ibang brand nga sa ilalim. It's an LP model by the way.
I have not bought an RJ guitar for myself, though.
salamat sa sinabi mo.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: rtf_axeman on April 07, 2012, 09:22:04 AM
ang isang lamang ng mga original/branded sa local ay yung quality control
may mga local na gitara na maganda, meron namang sabit. for ex. my rj raven sounds better than my squier strat, pero my friend bought a similar rj guitar and it sounds like crap, buzzes and it cannot be toned properly. although ang ibang brands may inconsistency din sa quality pero hindi kasing sama ng ibang local made guitars
lahat naman ata ng gitara unique on its own way, more on your preference nalang siguro
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Post by: itchybrain on April 07, 2012, 01:04:19 PM
Bukas pa ang resurrection, ha?
Nabuhay muli? :-D
Local is not original.
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Post by: turiguiliano on April 07, 2012, 02:42:30 PM
:-P
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Post by: elfenliedagain on April 07, 2012, 02:55:45 PM
Legendary thread is legendary.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: prince22 on April 07, 2012, 03:00:47 PM
yes i'm level 1 but level 100 people does not tell the things you do :-D
plus, my post is a sarcasm and you dint get that.. i know my guitar selection doesn't really matter, because i choose my guitar according to my preference. whether you like what i choose or not, dont care :-D
+100 (back tracking)
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Post by: DiMarzSiao™ on April 08, 2012, 11:20:34 AM
hallelujah
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Post by: kernelsalonpas on April 27, 2012, 04:39:49 PM
may nagrevive pala ng thread na to. kudos boy pickup. :wink:
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Post by: burnsbhm on April 27, 2012, 04:53:24 PM
DA LEGEND! :)
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Post by: boybangs on April 27, 2012, 05:05:30 PM
:razz:
Disisit!!!
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: LesBol on April 28, 2012, 08:07:27 AM
Uy, nabuhay ulit ito?!?
This is an epic thread that's worth resurrecting :wave:
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Post by: boypickup on April 28, 2012, 09:15:07 AM
>:D
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Post by: alvinratsim on April 28, 2012, 11:52:09 AM
:razz:
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Post by: gandydancer123 on April 28, 2012, 12:11:01 PM
Quote
I will chose RJ. Tiwala ako sa gawa ng kapwa ko Pilipino.
hahaha sa china na gawa mga RJ ngayon Mr.Boypickup ...and I feel local luthier built guitars are of better quality compared sa mga local massproduced brands (kung meron pa nito..compare mo naman lumana..este Lumanog sa mga generic china acoustic builds...di hamak na mas bang for your buck ang latter...)
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Post by: brown on April 28, 2012, 12:47:58 PM
wala ako masabe!
antique of all antiques! :razz:
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: oist on April 28, 2012, 06:08:25 PM
this thread started back in December of 2006.
man, i feel old.
:-D
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Post by: alvinratsim on May 25, 2012, 12:01:11 AM
Alive again
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Post by: roei03 on May 25, 2012, 12:40:28 AM
pa subscribe po, mukhang legendary tong thread na to :lol:
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Post by: Kadaklan on May 25, 2012, 01:04:34 AM
:cool:
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Post by: kurtseth on May 25, 2012, 02:35:48 AM
:razz: :razz: :razz:
flying through the necromanced thread bandwagon
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Post by: dennis22opina on May 25, 2012, 04:38:36 AM
Just finished reading the entire thread..Good read..robbed me of my sleep, but still.. :lol:
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Post by: freemansj on May 25, 2012, 06:17:24 AM
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Post by: Gunslinger on August 03, 2012, 01:54:44 PM
Kamusta na kaya si TS. :idea:
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Post by: titser_marco on August 03, 2012, 06:48:29 PM
Gotta love nostalgia, hahaha!
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Post by: nathanmanansala on August 03, 2012, 08:14:31 PM
umabot na ng 30 pages. :lol:
isa nang alamat.
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Post by: alvinratsim on August 03, 2012, 08:33:41 PM
:cute:
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Post by: roei03 on August 03, 2012, 09:31:07 PM
nabuhay nanaman to? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by: titser_marco on August 03, 2012, 10:17:06 PM
I reopened a 6-year old thread.
I REGRET NOTHING.
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Post by: elfenliedagain on August 05, 2012, 12:05:49 AM
DIZIZLEGEND :-D
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Post by: lolwat on August 05, 2012, 02:11:56 AM
napansin ko lang, siguro sa sobrang kahihiyan/pagkapikon ni TS e hindi na nagreply ulit (unless meron pa siyang ibang sinabi in the thread?) :lol:
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Post by: gradual nothing on August 05, 2012, 02:25:34 AM
medyo mali lang grammar/wording application tsong kasi lahat naman orig depende sa nagawa kung nakopya ng decal ng halimbawa fender eh di imitation yun. anyways kung pertaining mo like fender US or Japan made.. whatsoever marami naman kasi.. mas malaki lang kasi ang percentage na makakuha ka ng maayos na guitar sa mga kilala rather sa mga local kasi kilala na nga at inaalagaan ng mga yan ang pangalan nila para hindi masira sa mga buyers, but im not saying na hindi rin maganda ang local..it all comes down sa iyo on what you prefer.hope this helps
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Post by: dirtybluesplayer on August 05, 2012, 05:00:47 AM
Wow vintage thread, is this reissue? MIP or CIP?
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Post by: toybitz on August 05, 2012, 05:10:27 AM
ah yes...my favorite thread of all!
this separates GC from the boys!
when their is attention in GC, this are my go to thread to blow the istress away.
How blessed are we! How blessed are we!
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Post by: eros00 on August 05, 2012, 06:05:57 AM
a thread worth reading from the start..hahaha! wonder what happened to the TS though.. 8-)
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Post by: DiMarzSiao™ on August 05, 2012, 08:40:21 AM
it's worth it! :-D
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Post by: burnsbhm on August 07, 2012, 04:16:58 PM
He's still here selling sneakers and drum stands and mics. He probably never bothered to reply here anymore.
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Post by: glasgow on August 12, 2012, 02:41:48 PM
Only if you didn't pay the customs duties and taxes. If not, then it doesn't local.
That's what I is talkin a gout!
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Post by: nancy brew on August 14, 2012, 09:21:57 AM
Ja. Ich Mutters. :-D
- Till Lindemann, Rammstein
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Post by: voidmain on August 14, 2012, 09:49:28 AM
It's alive!!! (?)
Nawala na yung original na pedalboard thread, but this one's still here. :-D
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: APAX Engineer on September 17, 2012, 10:39:30 PM
One advantage is that if you have an original electric guitar, you have bragging rights... :-D well, playing it is another thing... An excellent guitarist can make the a decent affordable guitar sound as if it was very expensive... On the contrary, a guitar wannabe can make an excellent expensive guitar sound as if it was a cheap copy... agree? :-D
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Post by: boypickup on October 20, 2012, 05:05:25 PM
One advantage is that if you have an original electric guitar, you have bragging rights... :-D well, playing it is another thing... An excellent guitarist can make the a decent affordable guitar sound as if it was very expensive... On the contrary, a guitar wannabe can make an excellent expensive guitar sound as if it was a cheap copy... agree? :-D
Thumbs up! Sabi nga ng mentor ko sa school band, "Anyway wala sa gamit yan, nasa gumagamit yan pero kung may pambili ka lang din naman ng may tatak, bakit hindi?" :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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Post by: rtf_axeman on October 20, 2012, 05:53:45 PM
binuhay ang thread. hehehe
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Post by: DiMarzSiao™ on October 20, 2012, 06:07:39 PM
immortal thread.
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Post by: youthanasia on October 21, 2012, 01:21:09 AM
What the flying [strawberry] did I just read? :razz:
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Post by: alvinratsim on October 21, 2012, 02:12:49 PM
:cute:
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Post by: ToneChild on October 21, 2012, 02:38:40 PM
Naalala ko si JETSLADER515 sa thread nato sa "Topic: wanted i need rock band even 5 pcs i want serious person to do this..." sa musicians wanted. http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=256760.225 Until now napapangiti ako pag naaalala ko ung thread na un and pagnakikita ko ung icon si SNEAKY BASTARD kasi sya un. :-D Peace and happiness... :mrgreen:
Napabasa ako ng straight ah, 10 pages na conversation.. haha.. daming balimbing.. :-D
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Post by: DiMarzSiao™ on October 21, 2012, 08:55:08 PM
Until now napapangiti ako pag naaalala ko ung thread na un and pagnakikita ko ung icon si SNEAKY BASTARD kasi sya un. :-D
Peace and happiness... :mrgreen:
Dood, stop beating the dead horse. Jetslader's feelings were hurt and continue to be hurt by the CYBERBULLIES of PM. Sneaky Bastard, I believe, was banned.
The real enemy is Balot Penoy Aquino and his lackeys like Tito Fcuking Escalera. :mrgreen:
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Post by: APAX Engineer on November 16, 2012, 08:30:06 PM
Mukang maraming chismax sa thread na to dati ha? :)
Pis! Lab! Rakenrol n dapat lahat! :wave:
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Post by: marzi on January 15, 2013, 07:38:14 AM
Whoa! I missing this thread sooooo beri beri mats!
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Post by: techbp on January 15, 2013, 07:40:18 AM
To the moderators, isn't about time we bury this thread and move on....
Just saying.....
+1
unless mabuhay si TS at sagutin lahat ng pang a-alaska sakanya. :lol:
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Post by: siopao69 on February 14, 2013, 09:08:14 AM
hail the immortal thread. the matters
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Post by: burnsbhm on February 17, 2013, 08:39:37 PM
BUHAY PA SIYA! :) :-D
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Post by: dreamhaus09 on February 17, 2013, 09:29:58 PM
What Matters Most Kenny Rankin
It's not how long we held each other's hand What matters is how well we loved each other It's not how far we travelled on our way Of what we found to say It's not the spring you see, but all the shades of green
It's not how long I held you in my arms What matters is how sweet the years together It's not how many summertimes we had to give to fall The early morning smiles we tearfully recall What matters most is that we loved at all.
It's not how many summertimes we had to give to fall The early morning smiles we tearfully recall What matters most is that we loved at all.
What matters most is that we loved at all.
Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: DiMarzSiao™ on February 17, 2013, 10:30:42 PM
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Post by: dreamhaus09 on February 17, 2013, 11:58:43 PM
Is an original electric guitar matters than local? - English Es una guitarra eléctrica temas originales que local? - Spanish هي أصل المسائل الغيتار الكهربائي من المحلية؟ - Arabic 지역보다 원래 전기 기타 문제인가요? - Korean Est une matičre d'origine de guitare électrique que local? Ay isang orihinal na electric gitara usapin kaysa lokal? - Filipino
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Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: alvinratsim on February 18, 2013, 12:00:32 AM
Kinda getting corny na
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Post by: youthanasia on February 18, 2013, 08:28:30 AM
Is an original electric guitar matters than local? - English Es una guitarra eléctrica temas originales que local? - Spanish هي أصل المسائل الغيتار الكهربائي من المحلية؟ - Arabic 지역보다 원래 전기 기타 문제인가요? - Korean Est une matičre d'origine de guitare électrique que local? Ay isang orihinal na electric gitara usapin kaysa lokal? - Filipino
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Title: Re: Is an original electric guitar matters than local?
Post by: Poundcake on February 18, 2013, 01:57:16 PM
As requested by some of the guys here, it's time to put this thread to rest.