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Title: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: skunkyfunk on February 13, 2007, 02:18:43 PM
I honestly think emo is not that lame as compared to what the older folks say. And in all honesty, I've liked the guitar tone of emo. It sounds edgy, near compressed metal tone. Big drum sounds also make me like the genre. Emo is a great genre of music, save for the hairdos and make-up.
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Post by: Phil on February 13, 2007, 03:25:43 PM
... fun music.
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Post by: trem3 on February 13, 2007, 03:37:12 PM
a genre, some Emo bands are good, some are not that good.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Bart on February 13, 2007, 03:40:24 PM
No doubt that a lot of them are good musicians who know their gear and tone. What I don't like about the music are the vocals. Can't stand the whining.
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Post by: Sugar Ray Vaughan on February 13, 2007, 03:40:45 PM
very repetitive
all emo bands sound identical, guitar-wise
in short - ho-humm boring
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Post by: titser_marco on February 13, 2007, 04:14:10 PM
I don't like emo but I beg to disagree. On a basic level, the same argument can be used against blues players, but no says they sound just the same. Qualify, please.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: titser_marco on February 13, 2007, 04:20:25 PM
No doubt that a lot of them are good musicians who know their gear and tone. What I don't like about the music are the vocals. Can't stand the whining.
Same thing.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: vaisteen2003 on February 13, 2007, 04:45:49 PM
emo is good come to think of it. Maybe its best to appreciate it in a different angle, lets say LYRICS. Im an 80s type of guy and shred and prog and all that other stuff. My bandmates have been playing URBANDUBs CD on the car and everytime they do that i always ask them to shut the hell up, but for some reason when i went to a record bar, i bought their CD and listened to it, an i was blown away by how the songs were "CLEVERLY" constructed. And another this is the vocal harmony, man they sing like a church choir man.
my 2c
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: i_banez on February 13, 2007, 07:26:15 PM
may maayos na emo bands, meron hindi... minsan din depende sa song... ayaw ko ung song na ang ganda ganda ng tunog ng instruments tapos sisirain ng vocals... minsan nga parang hindi na kumakanta yung vocalist puro sigaw lang...
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: kurtcobainer on February 13, 2007, 07:28:34 PM
ayoko lng sa emo minsan eh puros porma nlng and the voice!!! THE VOICEEEEEEEE!!! parang ipis na natapakan...i guess it only goes to show na hindi ko talaga gusto ang emo,screamo or whatever that is...pero i respect the genre...music padin naman yun...but you won't catch me listening to it. :-D
Peace tayo mga emo lovers
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: nathanmanansala on February 13, 2007, 07:31:56 PM
its... uh... whiny.
pero, if i were to listen to just the guitars and maybe the rest of the band, its rock to me.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: blue_raven on February 13, 2007, 07:33:22 PM
there have been a lot of bands with "whiney" vocals since the 70's, and what actually pissess me off is that while my vocalist was listening to led zep, his emo cousin cam and shouted "uy! nakikinig ka pala ng emo!"
what i don't like about the genre is the attitude of some of the bands and of most of the listeners.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: greasykid on February 13, 2007, 07:37:33 PM
Way too gay!
:-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: bugoy on February 13, 2007, 07:51:02 PM
bwahahaha! champion sapul! pero mga drummers ng emo bands mabibilis pumalo
wahahahaha!!! :evil:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: iquittheband on February 13, 2007, 08:19:58 PM
hasty generalizations.. maybe most of you haven't listened to some of the better emo bands.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on February 13, 2007, 08:28:20 PM
most... if not all of you. have the WRONG idea of emo.
whiny vocals? thats not emo. its all mainstream poop. i mean pop.
seriously.
http://youdontknowemo.tk
now a lot of people rip on the genre because they say its over commercialized, gay and whatnot. theyre busting out on the wrong genre because bands like fall out boy, dashboard etc... are NOT emo.
before all of you start your generalizations, i suggest you listen to this one band.
http://purevolume.com/circletakesthesquare
the emo scene died in 1998. period.
just remember. whiny vocals and songs about yout girlfriend's loose vagina is not equal to emo.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: enzopogi on February 13, 2007, 08:37:00 PM
para sa 'kin. emo, as a whole, I don't like it dahil siguro sa vocals. pero as far as the instruments go, the drums are the best. grunge pa rin pinakamagandang genre para sa 'kin
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on February 13, 2007, 08:51:07 PM
and yes, im a guitarist. i mostly listen to 70s rock bands. but. i play in an emo band (not the whiny piece of crap i hate the world and my girlfriend type of [gooey brown stuff])
am i being an elitist yet? i dont care.
Sugar Ray Vaughan: boring? listen to this: http://purevolume.com/circletakesthesquare
Bart: whining? early 90s emo actually has little or no singing. http://www.purevolume.com/hotcross
Vaisteen: urbandub is not emo. but the band i mentioned in my reply to Sugar ray vaughan (Circle takes the square) has really abstract lyrics:
Circle Takes the Square - Kill the Switch http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Kill-The-Switch-lyrics-Circle-Takes-The-Square/1C5441DEDC6E52DF48256DDD0011D479
longest lyrics by an emo band IMO
i_banez: if im mad... or frustrated. i dont sing. i go scream on my pillow. you know. when youre pissed. you go all "GRRRRRRrrr" and stuff. yeah. i dont go singing "Whoooaaa im so maaaddd!" thats screamo in a nutshell.... (a misnomer since todays "screamo" was actually the "emo" during the early 90s.
kurtcobainer: emo isnt whiney. not the MTV emo. real emo band vocallists actually just talk. or talk really loud (scream)
Nathan: Its not whiny. never was. never will be
blue_raven: i get that same comment too whenever i sing (yea yea.) the intro to black dog... it sucks really.
"what i don't like about the genre is the attitude of some of the bands and of most of the listeners".
i hope you guys dont brand me as an elitist. thats the problem with people. pag may alam ka, mayabang ka or elitist ka. pag wala kang alam. poser ka. people need to eschew that sense of thinking to improve their scene. whatever genre it may be. people learn. and people only learn when they accept that they arent right all the time.
greasykid: yeah. emo kids.... to those emo kids.... YOU CAN NOT BE A GENRE. i mean. if i listen to blues. i cant be a BLUES KID. or if i listen to CLASSIC ROCK KID. i tell you guys, "emo cool" is way too commercialized. these artists on mtv ride on the idea of selling EMOTION. you dont [strawberry] sell emotion. in fact. 90s emo bands are often dead broke.
*puts flame retardant suit on*
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: gutz_3110 on February 13, 2007, 09:09:31 PM
ok lang emo...kanya kanya trip yan. pero tanong lang, bakit palagin sawi sa pg ibig sila? parang love song na pa cool? hehehe tanong lang po yan ha! :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: MikEh on February 13, 2007, 09:11:43 PM
as a guitarist, nakaka aliw pakinggan yung guitar parts. yun nagugustuhan ko sa IBANG emo bands. marunong talaga humawak at tumugtog ng gitara.
wag na kayo mangflame, umiinit na nga panahon, paiinitin niyo pa lalo. mag basaan nalang tayo gamit ng hose, para presko.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: bugoy on February 13, 2007, 09:14:12 PM
saka yung hair nila hehehe... bakit ganun ? pare pareho, kahit dun sa isang example na binigay ni paengkee pinuntahan ko yung soundclip, may picture, he says its different di ko na pinakinggan nung nakita kong ganun din yung porma at yung buhok :mrgreen: pero ok talaga yung mga EMO band drummer, galing sa mga upbeat songs, yun lang hehehe
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: marzi on February 13, 2007, 09:48:16 PM
good music and bad lyrics....yung style na kasama nun(hairdo, clothing, etc) e para lang magmukang eye candy lalo na pag nasa music video...pero kung pakikinggan nyo mabuti yung tugtugan, malinis din kagaya ng ibang genre, minsan nga mas maganda pa lapat....
yung hale pala emo din hahahaaaa! ok, so exception sila...they suck all the way!
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: abyssinianson on February 13, 2007, 10:23:20 PM
some people would argue the same for the heavy metal stuff...there gets a point where all the growling sounds the same. Heck, I could be growling my gorcery list and people would still say,"Damn, that riff, that growling, thats soo metal!"
"Ketchup...grrrooooooowww.....Mang Tomas sauce...grrrr.....onions.......ooooo.....tomatoooooooooooooooes." Chuga chuga chuga.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: bugoy on February 13, 2007, 10:34:20 PM
some people would argue the same for the heavy metal stuff...there gets a point where all the growling sounds the same. Heck, I could be growling my gorcery list and people would still say,"Damn, that riff, that growling, thats soo metal!"
"Ketchup...grrrooooooowww.....Mang Tomas sauce...grrrr.....onions.......ooooo.....tomatoooooooooooooooes." Chuga chuga chuga.
Lol! :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: SDMF on February 13, 2007, 11:07:55 PM
Hey, cool thread! This Emo thing got me curious...From what I'm reading, Emo music concentrates on songwriting, lyrical content and loud guitar riffs... Don't they sound like the resurgence of the Seattle-sound during the early 90's? You know like Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Mudhoney, Mother LOve Bone, Pearl Jam, Smashing Pumpkins, etc...
Hey paengkee okay mga links ah! 8-)
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: kaloyster on February 13, 2007, 11:10:42 PM
Emo songs usually have those "scaling" mini leads. Mainly pagkatapos ng isang line ng lyrics.. biglang "wene-wenew" (scaling lead sound effect)
Pansin nyo din?
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: IncX on February 13, 2007, 11:26:26 PM
i like emo better than kupaw music....
although too much of any music genre does get me fed up.
i love Thursday... and dashboard confessional, hehehehehe.... i cant write songs like em though...
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: bugoy on February 13, 2007, 11:49:41 PM
trip ko rin yung ibang kanta ng Dashboard Confessional pero i never knew na EMO pala sila ? di ko naman sila nakikita pumorma kagaya mga tipong hati yung buhok sa gilid tapos takip yung isang side ng mukha or naka eye liners or hikaw kung saan saan part ng mukha ?
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: bloodshedd on February 13, 2007, 11:55:52 PM
Ok na ok ung EMO!!! (wag sana akong awayin ng mga metalheads!)
Mahaba din kasi yung istorya nitong genre na toh but for me its just an evolution of the pop-punk genre... the guitar hooks, the catchy melodies... mrami lang siguro syang na-absorb na ibang influence like metal,hardcore,the cure, the smiths, glam and etc kaya nagkaganun.. hehehehe!!
I liked the post-hardcore stuff (Handsome etc) but FACE TO FACE really must be the link between punk rock and the "menaced" EMo genre...
there are some good practioners of the genre...which is a matter of taste... lets just listen to the ones that we like>>> Yung mga gusto ko is Coheed and Cambria (happy brooding with proggy textures) at Taking Back Sunday (tearjerking heartache feelgood music)... AYUZ!!!
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: cryingfreeman on February 14, 2007, 12:07:00 AM
ok flame me for being an emo noob. but sir paengkee, tnx for the links! to be honest, its my first time to listen to that kind of music... no joke! haha! all the while i thought emo were bands like As I Lay Dying, Atreyu, etc..
Going back to the links, they sounded like a Sandwich-Pedicab jam... is that emo?
Seriously, is Sandwich-Pedicab jam an emo kind of genre?
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: danleo on February 14, 2007, 12:10:46 AM
Emo??? Just like nung papasok na sa music industry yung Grunge music which eventually put many hair metal bands out of commission. Dami ayaw sa grunge when it came bcoz of blah blah blah... Pero seriously emo is a great genre. I love emo the first time I heard it. Most of the lyrics speaks about love, life and family and I like it. I remember those years 1999-2002 were patok na patok yung mga rap metal bands like linkin park and some pinoy bands. I never listen to those stuff and I didnt gave it a chance. Those times I listen mostly Hardcore (Yung wlang halong rap), Punk, Alternative, Grunge, Metal and many others. I was more into a traditional rock music and I really hate those band integrating hiphop music to rock music that time. Pero it was after 2 years that I learn to appreciate the music. Ok naman pla and its not that crappy after all. I learned to respect every music there is and they are great in their own unique way. Now I don't call myself a rocker, mas maganda pala musician (kahit anong genre its still music). Nomatter what we do or hate this genre Emo we'll surely be here to stay in the mainstreme for a couple of years or more, just like as grunge music did...:) Peace lang tayo... hehehehhe
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: SDMF on February 14, 2007, 12:20:10 AM
No doubt that a lot of them are good musicians who know their gear and tone. What I don't like about the music are the vocals. Can't stand the whining.
amen sir it's like emo kids are the only ones who endure suffering and sadness in this world... and isn't the way you handle these problems define how much of a person you are... so how much of a person is someone who whines and cries in front of all people to see... time to sober up kids...
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Post by: jaythegame on February 14, 2007, 03:46:10 AM
ok lang emo...kanya kanya trip yan. pero tanong lang, bakit palagin sawi sa pg ibig sila? parang love song na pa cool? hehehe tanong lang po yan ha! :mrgreen:
emo is short for 'emotional' kaya ganun.. dati hardcore punk sila na nadefine na emo kasi melodic at sawi ang lyrics.. thats in the late 80's i think with the band minor threat.. tapos nagkaron na ng ptomise ring, etc. nauso sa tao kasi nakakarelate sila tapos ngaun, ginagamit na ng major labels para kumita.. nagblossom ang emo sa mainstream music tapos naging baduy at iisa nalang ang tunog.. try listening to dashboard confessional, saosin, matchbook romance, etc, maririnig mo sa TYPECAST un.. walang pagkakaiba ung tunog nila.. pero to save dashboard confessional, maganda ung solo palang siya, pero nung naging band na, nyek.. at ang weird ng 'emo look' ngaun.. too bad almost all production nowadays are full of emo.. the only em band that i like is thrice because theyre different from the 'common emo sound' at chaka pala alkaline trio.. :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Bart on February 14, 2007, 04:14:27 AM
No doubt that a lot of them are good musicians who know their gear and tone. What I don't like about the music are the vocals. Can't stand the whining.
Same thing.
And your point being?
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: greasykid on February 14, 2007, 04:28:19 AM
Paengkee, I listened to the music that you linked to. Pareho lang ang dating para sa akin. Pero kanya-kanyang trip lang talaga yan. Aegis ba kaya niyong sakyan? Kinakanta ko pa sa videoke yon! :wink:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: greasykid on February 14, 2007, 04:46:42 AM
Kung makikinig nga pala ako ng emo, eto lang siguro: http://www.soundclick.com/odiephilippines
Enjoy shredfans! :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Letour on February 14, 2007, 05:28:22 AM
I don't like emo but I beg to disagree. On a basic level, the same argument can be used against blues players, but no says they sound just the same. Qualify, please.
I was about to say the same thing. Mind-reader!
Anyway, emo is a just genre that will have its haters as in all types of music. All reasons for disliking emo are valid because they all subjective and personal to the person.
Emo is what the public wants and thats what makes money for the damn record companies. We just have to thank emo for making guitar "tones" popular or mainstream. A newbie will get interested in guitar because of what he heard in some emo band playing on the radio.
And if emo music gets the girls....... shouldn't we all embrace emo :wink:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: nuno on February 14, 2007, 05:51:42 AM
emo is ok. ibahin na lang sana nila yung type of voice na ginagamit nila. parang kasing babae na lalake na.... :? parang lalake na gustong maging... babae... :?
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Post by: Santo Muerte on February 14, 2007, 05:58:52 AM
Emo sucks.
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Post by: nathanmanansala on February 14, 2007, 06:43:40 AM
it still sounds like rock to me :lol:
makes me wonder what they're whining about, though. they're making a living playing music. their music. out here, the only way to make a living making music is by covering pop songs.
about calling it "the next grunge." for the sake of future guitar players, i'd rather not. having to go through grunge once is enough for me. good music, but not much candy for guitar players. i started playing in the grunge years pero if you look at my cassette collection, except for the RHCP bssm, collective soul and siamese pumpkin's gish, most of it is music from the 80s to late 90s. my friends called me a dinosaur. :lol:
if you're an average guitar player you cant pick a favorite player in one whole genre because none of them play better than you, something is seriously wrong.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: kurtcobainer on February 14, 2007, 07:52:01 AM
makes me wonder what they're whining about, though. they're making a living playing music. their music. out here, the only way to make a living making music is by covering pop songs.
about calling it "the next grunge." for the sake of future guitar players, i'd rather not. having to go through grunge once is enough for me. good music, but not much candy for guitar players. i started playing in the grunge years pero if you look at my cassette collection, except for the RHCP bssm, collective soul and siamese pumpkin's gish, most of it is music from the 80s to late 90s. my friends called me a dinosaur. :lol:
if you're an average guitar player you cant pick a favorite player in one whole genre because none of them play better than you, something is seriously wrong.
Thanks for the very informative site...
The "next grunge"?! Ohhhhh helllll no!!!! Boses palang malayo na...hehehehe...
Sir paengkee could you give me names of emo bands nung mga late 90's I'd surely love to hear them.
So bands like my chemical romance, fall out boy etc etc are called Mall Emo
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: akosimic on February 14, 2007, 08:23:51 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emo_%28music%29
sa lahat ng emo bands na yan, iilan lang nagustuhan ko like fugazi, at the drive-in at dashboard. heck i thought dashboard wasnt emo.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: ubersam on February 14, 2007, 09:00:30 AM
Emo?
Emo Philips?
You mean this guy? (http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00009WVF3.01.MZZZZZZZ.jpg)
Sorry, couldn't resist... I have no idea what emo is... the first time I heard the term, I was like, "What the faack?!?! Another new genre!?!?" from that point on I adopted just three genres: "Music that I like," "Music that I do not like" and "Music that I could care less about."
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Post by: zasam_4 on February 14, 2007, 09:16:11 AM
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Deep_Blue on February 14, 2007, 09:37:50 AM
did you know that some band doesn't like to be labeled emo (e.g. taking back sunday, funeral for a friend) they consider themselves as post-hardcore.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: abyssinianson on February 14, 2007, 11:33:22 AM
i wouldn't call Taking Back Sunday post-hardcore. Hard alternarock maybe...
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Vantage on February 14, 2007, 11:38:15 AM
I don't like the vocals, that's all.
And especially the listeners, it's worse here in Canada. :cry:
/slits wrist
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: guitaricci on February 14, 2007, 12:05:44 PM
I don't like Emo...but with all due respect, Emo guitar players are good.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: dukz on February 14, 2007, 01:16:27 PM
It depends kung ano hinahanap ng listener sa music, like me... para skin, dig ko kahit anong music basta may "lasa" yung mga guitar riffs nila at may matutunan ako... but i dont say na ayoko sa emo, magagaling mga drummers nila...
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: SDMF on February 14, 2007, 01:25:17 PM
Baka may iba pang links dyan, like those pioneer bands of that Emo genre???
In my case as far as the early 90's sound, I only recognize Soundgarden (Even Vai & Tony Iommi likes this band), Alice in Chains, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Mother Love Bone, Blind Melon, STP, Jane's Addiction, Smashing Pumpkins, & Mudhoney... The rest e copycats na para sa akin.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: dukz on February 14, 2007, 01:28:39 PM
sa lahat ng emo bands na yan, iilan lang nagustuhan ko like fugazi, at the drive-in at dashboard. heck i thought dashboard wasnt emo.
It's weird that most emo bands cite Fugazi as their main musical influence when a lot of emo bands don't have a hint of Fugazi in the stuff that they make.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on February 14, 2007, 09:03:15 PM
guys. you should seriously go to this site.
http://youdontknowemo.tk
i know the url is a bit... offensive to some but its actually a really informative site.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on February 14, 2007, 09:13:24 PM
these bands are not emo:
*AFI * ...And you Will Know us by the Trail of the Dead * Alexisonfire * Alkaline Trio * As I Lay Dying * At the Drive-In * Atreyu * Bleed the Dream * Blink 182 * Blood Brothers * Brand New * Bright Eyes * Coheed & Cambria * Cursive * Dashboard Confessional * Death Cab for Cutie * Emery * Fall Out Boy * Finch * From Autumn to Ashes * From First to Last * Funeral for a Friend * Good Charlotte * Green Day * Hawthorne Heights * Hellogoodbye * Jimmy Eat World * Juliana Theory * Kill Hannah * Linkin Park * Mae * Matchbook Romance * mewithoutyou * My Chemical Romance * New Found Glory * Norma Jean * Panic! At The Disco * Promise Ring * Reliant K * Saves the Day * Senses Fail * Silverstein * Simple Plan * Something Corporate * Sparta * Spitafield * Straylight Run * Story of the Year * Sunny Day Real Estate * Taking Back Sunday * The Cure * The Format * The Get-Up Kids * The Mars Volta * The Postal Service * The Starting Line * The Used * Thrice * Thursday * Weezer * Yellowcard * Almost ANY band who has ever been on any Warped Tour
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: reps on February 14, 2007, 09:47:59 PM
Astig para sakin Finch, Co&Ca saka Thrice. Okay din Paramore. Cute pa vocalist nila. :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: MikEh on February 14, 2007, 10:22:45 PM
Astig para sakin Finch, Co&Ca saka Thrice. Okay din Paramore. Cute pa vocalist nila. :-D
+100 sa finch!
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: blue_raven on February 14, 2007, 10:25:56 PM
oh yeah, when i was listening to dream theater at the office, some noob came by and said "uy! astig! nakikinig ka pala ng emo e! sali ka na sa banda namin!"
darn james la brie and his voice...
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: marzi on February 14, 2007, 10:38:18 PM
oh yeah, when i was listening to dream theater at the office, some noob came by and said "uy! astig! nakikinig ka pala ng emo e! sali ka na sa banda namin!"
darn james la brie and his voice...
hahahaaa...edi vox ng symphony x emo na rin?
cguro traumatized lang ako sa nakita ko kasi i used to hand out with a bunch of emo listeners back then....one time, nag iinuman kami and they brought some guys from laguna (shempre mga emo din)... nung nagkalasingan na, i asked them "ano ba tlaga yung genre na emo na yan?". the two guys from laguna suddenly smiled and started french-kissing!!! after that they told me "ganun kaming mga emo pre...you'll often mistake us as fags but were just overflowing with emotions..."
after nun, tinigil ko ng magpunta dun....
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: jaythegame on February 14, 2007, 10:41:07 PM
*AFI * ...And you Will Know us by the Trail of the Dead * Alexisonfire * Alkaline Trio * As I Lay Dying * At the Drive-In * Atreyu * Bleed the Dream * Blink 182 * Blood Brothers * Brand New * Bright Eyes * Coheed & Cambria * Cursive * Dashboard Confessional * Death Cab for Cutie * Emery * Fall Out Boy * Finch * From Autumn to Ashes * From First to Last * Funeral for a Friend * Good Charlotte * Green Day * Hawthorne Heights * Hellogoodbye * Jimmy Eat World * Juliana Theory * Kill Hannah * Linkin Park * Mae * Matchbook Romance * mewithoutyou * My Chemical Romance * New Found Glory * Norma Jean * Panic! At The Disco * Promise Ring * Reliant K * Saves the Day * Senses Fail * Silverstein * Simple Plan * Something Corporate * Sparta * Spitafield * Straylight Run * Story of the Year * Sunny Day Real Estate * Taking Back Sunday * The Cure * The Format * The Get-Up Kids * The Mars Volta * The Postal Service * The Starting Line * The Used * Thrice * Thursday * Weezer * Yellowcard * Almost ANY band who has ever been on any Warped Tour
actually, warped tour is now being overrun by emo bands.. most of the bands listed there are emo.. alkaline trio started as punk rock with a twist of emo.. now they are horror punk (or just punk rock coz it doesnt make sense if u brand punk as another).. emo is punk, the difference is the way they write the lyrics.. now emo bands say theyre not punk at all, those are what we call posers.. bright eyes, sunny day real estate, dashboard, fugazi (which u can say is hardcore punk but are one of the first emo bands), cursive (mga sina-una narin yan), etc.. are good emo bands.. lets say melodic punk+emotional vocals+slower tempo=emo.. yan.. i was a big emo fan dati pero naasar ako kasi pare-parehas na sila.. ung gusto ko lang ung naiiba like alkaline trio and thrice.. ayus din juliana theory at something corporate kung mas mellow ang music na gusto mo.. :-P hehe..
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: akosimic on February 14, 2007, 10:52:07 PM
sa lahat ng emo bands na yan, iilan lang nagustuhan ko like fugazi, at the drive-in at dashboard. heck i thought dashboard wasnt emo.
It's weird that most emo bands cite Fugazi as their main musical influence when a lot of emo bands don't have a hint of Fugazi in the stuff that they make.
+1 to that sir marco.
in addition to that, based on research and knowledge, at the drive-in is emo. in fact, they're actually considered to be one of the pioneers along with fugazi.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: kelvinator on February 14, 2007, 10:54:46 PM
+1 sa juliana theory.. hehe..
ewan ko.. para sakin, pareho na lahat eh.. panic! at the disco sounds the same with fall out boy.. but there are others which stand out.. yun nga.. what i don't like about emo [maybe they're not emo after all] is that after a while, they sound poppish.. that's just me.. maybe they're just punk with emotional lyrics.. i don't know.. dami kasi genre eh.. may nangyayaring overlapping of sorts.. tsaka nung sumikat na emo, everyone started riding the bandwagon.. nakikiemo na rin kasi sumisikat eh.. but hey.. that's just me.. everyone's entitled to his own view of reality.. peace.. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: fraudulentzodiac on February 14, 2007, 10:56:20 PM
sa lahat ng emo bands na yan, iilan lang nagustuhan ko like fugazi, at the drive-in at dashboard. heck i thought dashboard wasnt emo.
It's weird that most emo bands cite Fugazi as their main musical influence when a lot of emo bands don't have a hint of Fugazi in the stuff that they make.
+1 to that sir marco.
in addition to that, based on research and knowledge, at the drive-in is emo. in fact, they're actually considered to be one of the pioneers along with fugazi.
buti na lang pala naging Mars Volta yung iba sa at the drive in. :mrgreen: = sakto hehe
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: CARABAO on February 14, 2007, 10:59:50 PM
the whining sucks. i really hate the 3rd grader voice that comes out of the mouths of tall and skinny white kids with OA bangs na halata namang inayos para ganun yung look lang. hindi practical habang naglalakad. ewan. heheh. pero yng guitars,... hmmm.. parepareho kasi.. puro main riff na strumming + palm mutes, tapos may octaves bigla na magbblend sa background.. o well. pero hindi naman talaga problema.. nakakairita lang.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: jaythegame on February 14, 2007, 11:25:19 PM
oh yeah, when i was listening to dream theater at the office, some noob came by and said "uy! astig! nakikinig ka pala ng emo e! sali ka na sa banda namin!"
darn james la brie and his voice...
hahahaaa...edi vox ng symphony x emo na rin?
cguro traumatized lang ako sa nakita ko kasi i used to hand out with a bunch of emo listeners back then....one time, nag iinuman kami and they brought some guys from laguna (shempre mga emo din)... nung nagkalasingan na, i asked them "ano ba tlaga yung genre na emo na yan?". the two guys from laguna suddenly smiled and started french-kissing!!! after that they told me "ganun kaming mga emo pre...you'll often mistake us as fags but were just overflowing with emotions..."
after nun, tinigil ko ng magpunta dun....
hahahaha! nakakatawa ung kwento ah.. :-P i know this certain guy from school na nagsasabi na 'emo' daw siya.. ang kwento nya na binabatuk-batukan lang daw nya ung typecast sa gigs nila.. sabi nya vocalist daw siya.. tapos one time, my friends and i saw him singing "til they take my heart away" na emo version, ung whinny ung vocals.. tapos nakatingin lang kame sa kanya dun.. nahiya cya tapos umalis na.. hnd na nagpakita ever haha!!! :lol: no offense, i was a big emo fan dati.. still continue to listen to em pero hnd na katulad ng dati.. haha! :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: SDMF on February 14, 2007, 11:30:31 PM
oh yeah, when i was listening to dream theater at the office, some noob came by and said "uy! astig! nakikinig ka pala ng emo e! sali ka na sa banda namin!"
darn james la brie and his voice...
hahahaaa...edi vox ng symphony x emo na rin?
cguro traumatized lang ako sa nakita ko kasi i used to hand out with a bunch of emo listeners back then....one time, nag iinuman kami and they brought some guys from laguna (shempre mga emo din)... nung nagkalasingan na, i asked them "ano ba tlaga yung genre na emo na yan?". the two guys from laguna suddenly smiled and started french-kissing!!! after that they told me "ganun kaming mga emo pre...you'll often mistake us as fags but were just overflowing with emotions..."
after nun, tinigil ko ng magpunta dun....
[apple] na yan. :-D Buti na lang ung Grunge nung araw hindi nabahiran ng ganyan. :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: bugoy on February 14, 2007, 11:41:23 PM
ewheheh oo nga eh ehehe si kurt cobain at layne staley talagang totoo, ehehe ayun patay na pareho ehehe yang mga emo hanggang reklamo lang na gusto na nila mamatay ehehe di naman mamatay matay ehehe :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: snidd on February 15, 2007, 12:10:12 AM
1. i hate them whiny vocals of the "new emo" 2. true emo is dead. 3. "new emo" is over commercialized 4. new bands w/c are not emo are considered emo because it is the "trend" 5. too many posers/kupaws/inutil/orcs 6. how dare they say that Coheed & Cambria are "emo"? 7. they are weak. 8. all they do is complain at how miserable their lives are. tip: deal with it or if you plan on committing suicide by slitting your wrists, it's down the road.. not across the street.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: lowtuneduser on February 15, 2007, 12:12:29 AM
1. i hate them whiny vocals of the "new emo" 2. true emo is dead. 3. "new emo" is over commercialized 4. new bands w/c are not emo are considered emo because it is the "trend" 5. too many posers/kupaws/inutil/orcs 6. how dare they say that Coheed & Cambria are "emo"? 7. they are weak. 8. all they do is complain at how miserable their lives are. tip: deal with it or if you plan on committing suicide by slitting your wrists, it's down the road.. not across the street.
+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 patay na talaga ang totoong emo! ibang emo na mga ngakalat ngaun!
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: akosimic on February 15, 2007, 12:14:03 AM
yang mga emo hanggang reklamo lang na gusto na nila mamatay ehehe di naman mamatay matay ehehe :-D
sabi nga sa isang usapan kaninang hapon
emo will die down...because they keep on slashing their wrists and they will bleed to death hehehe
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: danleo on February 15, 2007, 12:16:56 AM
Many Rock Bands since before are emo na haven't we notice it? For me Emo means songs that was written with emotion and played and sang with emotion. Emo is emotion diba? Ginawa lang nilang Punk with Emotion and it is what we call emo today. heehhehee. Mga fav ko na I consider emo kasi grabe tlga kumunta yung mga vox nila with emotion tlga-> Matchbox Twenty (Emotional tlga mag sing si Rob Thomas), Staind (Aaron Lewis sings with great emotion lalo na yung song nila Epiphany astig tlga, try to check out the rest of the song sa break the cycle album), Creed (One of the best sa emotion try to listen my own prison album saka human clay) and to many more to mention. Pati nga si Jimmy Bundoc emo rin diba? with emotion tlga siya kumakanta diba? kaya emo na rin yun. hehehehehe Peace out mga brother...:)
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: lowtuneduser on February 15, 2007, 12:18:04 AM
yang mga emo hanggang reklamo lang na gusto na nila mamatay ehehe di naman mamatay matay ehehe :-D
sabi nga sa isang usapan kaninang hapon
emo will die down...because they keep on slashing their wrists and they will bleed to death hehehe
:lol:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: turiguiliano on February 15, 2007, 12:19:21 AM
finch rocks. ganda ng tone. tapang. nice arrangement too. especially one of those version of "what it is to burn" - in you face intro. not sure of the lyrics though imo.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: bugoy on February 15, 2007, 12:20:00 AM
in that case, hindi music genre ang emo ehehehe
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: lowtuneduser on February 15, 2007, 12:21:26 AM
finch rocks. ganda ng tone. tapang. nice arrangement too. especially one of those version of "what it is to burn" - in you face intro. not sure of the lyrics though imo.
1. i hate them whiny vocals of the "new emo" 2. true emo is dead. 3. "new emo" is over commercialized 4. new bands w/c are not emo are considered emo because it is the "trend" 5. too many posers/kupaws/inutil/orcs 6. how dare they say that Coheed & Cambria are "emo"? 7. they are weak. 8. all they do is complain at how miserable their lives are. tip: deal with it or if you plan on committing suicide by slitting your wrists, it's down the road.. not across the street.
amen to that, my friend.. i think they say that coheed and cambira is emo because they are signed on an emo label (correct me if im wrong pero i think im wrong abt this.. :-P)
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: lowtuneduser on February 15, 2007, 12:41:53 AM
1. i hate them whiny vocals of the "new emo" 2. true emo is dead. 3. "new emo" is over commercialized 4. new bands w/c are not emo are considered emo because it is the "trend" 5. too many posers/kupaws/inutil/orcs 6. how dare they say that Coheed & Cambria are "emo"? 7. they are weak. 8. all they do is complain at how miserable their lives are. tip: deal with it or if you plan on committing suicide by slitting your wrists, it's down the road.. not across the street.
amen to that, my friend.. i think they say that coheed and cambira is emo because they are signed on an emo label (correct me if im wrong pero i think im wrong abt this.. :-P)
hehe sana hindi mo na lang sinabe :lol: peace.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: queso_ on February 15, 2007, 12:52:50 AM
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cguro traumatized lang ako sa nakita ko kasi i used to hand out with a bunch of emo listeners back then....one time, nag iinuman kami and they brought some guys from laguna (shempre mga emo din)... nung nagkalasingan na, i asked them "ano ba tlaga yung genre na emo na yan?". the two guys from laguna suddenly smiled and started french-kissing!!! after that they told me "ganun kaming mga emo pre...you'll often mistake us as fags but were just overflowing with emotions..."
after nun, tinigil ko ng magpunta dun....
hahaha reason is overflowing with emotions??!! f*ck them.. khit ako flowing with emotions d ako mang kikiss ang ka uri ko.. amp yan tol bigla ako nandiri sa mga emo kids na ganun ah..
OT: ung saosin's seven years at ung typecast's breathe to the glass pareho.. hahahaah emo talaga amp yan.. metal forever!!!!! :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: lowtuneduser on February 15, 2007, 12:56:16 AM
haha nghahalikan! :evil:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Muzzle on February 15, 2007, 01:24:22 AM
cguro traumatized lang ako sa nakita ko kasi i used to hand out with a bunch of emo listeners back then....one time, nag iinuman kami and they brought some guys from laguna (shempre mga emo din)... nung nagkalasingan na, i asked them "ano ba tlaga yung genre na emo na yan?". the two guys from laguna suddenly smiled and started french-kissing!!! after that they told me "ganun kaming mga emo pre...you'll often mistake us as fags but were just overflowing with emotions..."
after nun, tinigil ko ng magpunta dun....
[apple] na yan. :-D Buti na lang ung Grunge nung araw hindi nabahiran ng ganyan. :-D
actually cobain and bassist krist novoselic kissed on a saturday night live episode. and there are rumors that cobain is somewhat gay. or were you sarcastic?
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: bugoy on February 15, 2007, 01:34:23 AM
cguro traumatized lang ako sa nakita ko kasi i used to hand out with a bunch of emo listeners back then....one time, nag iinuman kami and they brought some guys from laguna (shempre mga emo din)... nung nagkalasingan na, i asked them "ano ba tlaga yung genre na emo na yan?". the two guys from laguna suddenly smiled and started french-kissing!!! after that they told me "ganun kaming mga emo pre...you'll often mistake us as fags but were just overflowing with emotions..."
after nun, tinigil ko ng magpunta dun....
[apple] na yan. :-D Buti na lang ung Grunge nung araw hindi nabahiran ng ganyan. :-D
actually cobain and bassist krist novoselic kissed on a saturday night live episode. and there are rumors that cobain is somewhat gay. or were you sarcastic?
nakita ko yan pero hindi sa SNL yan, yung sa SNL alam ko nag group hug sila dun parang nag ti trip lang sila 3, pero yung naghalikan si cobain at novoselic sa VCD nila dati yun yung live tonight, sold out
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: queso_ on February 15, 2007, 01:34:49 AM
cguro traumatized lang ako sa nakita ko kasi i used to hand out with a bunch of emo listeners back then....one time, nag iinuman kami and they brought some guys from laguna (shempre mga emo din)... nung nagkalasingan na, i asked them "ano ba tlaga yung genre na emo na yan?". the two guys from laguna suddenly smiled and started french-kissing!!! after that they told me "ganun kaming mga emo pre...you'll often mistake us as fags but were just overflowing with emotions..."
after nun, tinigil ko ng magpunta dun....
[apple] na yan. :-D Buti na lang ung Grunge nung araw hindi nabahiran ng ganyan. :-D
actually cobain and bassist krist novoselic kissed on a saturday night live episode. and there are rumors that cobain is somewhat gay. or were you sarcastic?
kya cguro pinatay sya ni courtney kce nalamang gay sya.. :-)
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: lowtuneduser on February 15, 2007, 01:43:18 AM
cguro traumatized lang ako sa nakita ko kasi i used to hand out with a bunch of emo listeners back then....one time, nag iinuman kami and they brought some guys from laguna (shempre mga emo din)... nung nagkalasingan na, i asked them "ano ba tlaga yung genre na emo na yan?". the two guys from laguna suddenly smiled and started french-kissing!!! after that they told me "ganun kaming mga emo pre...you'll often mistake us as fags but were just overflowing with emotions..."
after nun, tinigil ko ng magpunta dun....
[apple] na yan. :-D Buti na lang ung Grunge nung araw hindi nabahiran ng ganyan. :-D
actually cobain and bassist krist novoselic kissed on a saturday night live episode. and there are rumors that cobain is somewhat gay. or were you sarcastic?
kya cguro pinatay sya ni courtney kce nalamang gay sya.. :-)
hindi,nagpakamatay siya kase may iba daw lalake si krist novoselic :evil: peace!
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: reps on February 15, 2007, 01:55:59 AM
finch rocks. ganda ng tone. tapang. nice arrangement too. especially one of those version of "what it is to burn" - in you face intro. not sure of the lyrics though imo.
+10^1000000 grabe nga intro nun. In your face talaga. Onga, malupit yung arrangement. I would never consider Co&Ca emo. Astig yung Welcome Home nila. :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: abyssinianson on February 15, 2007, 02:56:24 AM
Coheed and Cambria is hard rock..maybe progressive. I do know Claudio considers themselves prog rock.
Emo? Eh, whatever. Who cares about labels? Whocares about whether it is "astig" or not? The people who play in the bands play - some better than others. I've seen enough of the bands and even played with some of them to know that the emo scene, like the hardcore scene (pick your locale - new england, midwest, west coast...), all have their own share of posers. Yung nga, the guys and girls who play in the scene do it because they love playing and, to me, that is ALL that counts.
The guitar sound of emo/ hardcore/ post hardcore music is one of the many guitar sounds I like. I like high gain amps. I like technicality in my playing. I like different chord and key changes.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: marzi on February 15, 2007, 02:57:08 AM
cguro traumatized lang ako sa nakita ko kasi i used to hang out with a bunch of emo listeners back then....one time, nag iinuman kami and they brought some guys from laguna (shempre mga emo din)... nung nagkalasingan na, i asked them "ano ba tlaga yung genre na emo na yan?". the two guys from laguna suddenly smiled and started french-kissing!!! after that they told me "ganun kaming mga emo pre...you'll often mistake us as fags but were just overflowing with emotions..."
after nun, tinigil ko ng magpunta dun....
hahaha reason is overflowing with emotions??!! f*ck them.. khit ako flowing with emotions d ako mang kikiss ang ka uri ko.. amp yan tol bigla ako nandiri sa mga emo kids na ganun ah..
OT: ung saosin's seven years at ung typecast's breathe to the glass pareho.. hahahaah emo talaga amp yan.. metal forever!!!!! :mrgreen:
yun lang yung naging reaction ko dun...kasi unang tingin ko sa kanila lalake sila e...mga lalake naman tlaga siguro sila pero yung gawin nila yun sa harap ko para lang maexplain na yun ang emo edi shempre mali na agad pasok sa kukote ko...
yung isa nga sa kanila tuwing babatiin ko ng "kamusta?" ang laging sagot e "i wanna die, pare."...pero muka naman syang walang problema...o isa lang sya sa exaggerated version ng emo-poser...basta
inuulit ko lang na di ako against sa mga emo...yung musicality nila e kapareho din naman ng sa ibang genre,minsan mas magaling pa...ang di ko lang maintindihan e itong mga bagong kabataan na mashadong exaggerated at hindi ko na maintindihan...hindi naman lahat sa kanila e may away sa magulang - minsan sila pa gumagawa ng sarili nilang away sa parents nila e...hindi naman lahat e broken hearted - yung iba madrama lang pero makikita mo may syota....at higit sa lahat, hindi lahat e suicidal - kaya sana wag puro paglalaslas ng wrist ang iniisip..yung song na naririnig nila e pedeng i-convert into something positive para maging maayos buhay nila diba?
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: jaythegame on February 15, 2007, 03:26:58 AM
cguro traumatized lang ako sa nakita ko kasi i used to hang out with a bunch of emo listeners back then....one time, nag iinuman kami and they brought some guys from laguna (shempre mga emo din)... nung nagkalasingan na, i asked them "ano ba tlaga yung genre na emo na yan?". the two guys from laguna suddenly smiled and started french-kissing!!! after that they told me "ganun kaming mga emo pre...you'll often mistake us as fags but were just overflowing with emotions..."
after nun, tinigil ko ng magpunta dun....
hahaha reason is overflowing with emotions??!! f*ck them.. khit ako flowing with emotions d ako mang kikiss ang ka uri ko.. amp yan tol bigla ako nandiri sa mga emo kids na ganun ah..
OT: ung saosin's seven years at ung typecast's breathe to the glass pareho.. hahahaah emo talaga amp yan.. metal forever!!!!! :mrgreen:
yun lang yung naging reaction ko dun...kasi unang tingin ko sa kanila lalake sila e...mga lalake naman tlaga siguro sila pero yung gawin nila yun sa harap ko para lang maexplain na yun ang emo edi shempre mali na agad pasok sa kukote ko...
yung isa nga sa kanila tuwing babatiin ko ng "kamusta?" ang laging sagot e "i wanna die, pare."...pero muka naman syang walang problema...o isa lang sya sa exaggerated version ng emo-poser...basta
inuulit ko lang na di ako against sa mga emo...yung musicality nila e kapareho din naman ng sa ibang genre,minsan mas magaling pa...ang di ko lang maintindihan e itong mga bagong kabataan na mashadong exaggerated at hindi ko na maintindihan...hindi naman lahat sa kanila e may away sa magulang - minsan sila pa gumagawa ng sarili nilang away sa parents nila e...hindi naman lahat e broken hearted - yung iba madrama lang pero makikita mo may syota....at higit sa lahat, hindi lahat e suicidal - kaya sana wag puro paglalaslas ng wrist ang iniisip..yung song na naririnig nila e pedeng i-convert into something positive para maging maayos buhay nila diba?
heres what other emo kids are doin to help other people treat depression and their suicidal tendencies: http://twloha.com/ its a non-profit organization in the US at emo bands ang nagppromote nito.. :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: turiguiliano on February 15, 2007, 04:52:11 AM
speaking of finch, i saw thenm on letterman once or leno, huuuuge pedalboard! what amps do they use? pedals? how do you emulate that "synth" type intro on what it is to burn? any ideas?
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: jack in a vox on February 15, 2007, 09:30:25 AM
another + 1 to whiny vocals, that's what puts me off.
but the guitar work ain't too bad. some of it is really cool stuff once you've managed to block off the annoying whining.
let's just say emo is /wrists because the song writers get right to the point. i hate my parents i'm gonna /wrists, my gf is a bitch /wrists etc and look at the age of those band members, most are in their early 20s.
as per the followers, do you know how boring and annoying life is in most white countries? can't drink/smoke til you're 18/21, can't go into bars til you're 18/21. so a lot of them dress up and imitate said emo bands to find something to do, and something to whine about as well. otherwise, once they hit 18/21 it's boozing and clubbing time. goodbye emo outfits! :lol:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: alon on February 15, 2007, 09:51:08 AM
as per the followers, do you know how boring and annoying life is in most white countries? can't drink/smoke til you're 18/21, can't go into bars til you're 18/21. so a lot of them dress up and imitate said emo bands to find something to do, and something to whine about as well. otherwise, once they hit 18/21 it's boozing and clubbing time. goodbye emo outfits! :lol:
That is a pretty broad generalization. Have you ever lived in a "White" country? Well, you can drink and smoke at as young an age as you want (as long as you can get away with it without getting a beat down from the 'rents). However, you can't legally buy alcohol or smokes until you are 21 (at least in the US, I can't speak for the other "white" countries). As for the bars, there are alternative venues for the under-21 crowd, plus sometimes you do not need to go to the bar or the club, theres always parties (someone you know, knows someone, who knows someone, who knows where the party is...) I just recently played a 21-and-over venue (the Gig on Melrose Blvd.) and there were guys that looked 'emo' but there was no emo band playing that night. For some, the look is just how they decided to dress up, its just a fashion trend. Anyway, I digress....
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Post by: sweeplikevai on February 15, 2007, 11:24:05 AM
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Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: abyssinianson on February 15, 2007, 11:43:35 AM
as per the followers, do you know how boring and annoying life is in most white countries? can't drink/smoke til you're 18/21, can't go into bars til you're 18/21. so a lot of them dress up and imitate said emo bands to find something to do, and something to whine about as well. otherwise, once they hit 18/21 it's boozing and clubbing time. goodbye emo outfits! :lol:
That is a pretty broad generalization. Have you ever lived in a "White" country? Well, you can drink and smoke at as young an age as you want (as long as you can get away with it without getting a beat down from the 'rents). However, you can't legally buy alcohol or smokes until you are 21 (at least in the US, I can't speak for the other "white" countries). As for the bars, there are alternative venues for the under-21 crowd, plus sometimes you do not need to go to the bar or the club, theres always parties (someone you know, knows someone, who knows someone, who knows where the party is...) I just recently played a 21-and-over venue (the Gig on Melrose Blvd.) and there were guys that looked 'emo' but there was no emo band playing that night. For some, the look is just how they decided to dress up, its just a fashion trend. Anyway, I digress....
I agree. THAT "white country" tag was a generalization. If I got a buck for every joke I heard about that "brown" country the Philippines, I'd be rich. An example? Is everyone that comes out of your country a nurse or a CNA?
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Domengik on February 15, 2007, 12:07:37 PM
Tama na yang away. lahat tayo isinilang sa dugong HIPHOP!Dito sa amin, madaming gumagamit, di lang gumagamit ngnanakaw pa ng gamit! :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: vinz on February 15, 2007, 02:27:33 PM
view ko lang po ha...naging trend na kasi ang EMO or naging fashion nalang sabihin na nating impluwensiya lang ng iba kasi nakikisakay sila sa Existing Genre talaga...sisihin natin yung mga lazy kids na anjan ang internet,books at hindi sila magresearch about dun sa ginagawa nila (pagiging EMO)...pwede naman hindi ka pumorma ng ganun tapos tugtog ka ng EMO hehehe...ala GLASSJAW although Post Hardcore sila at mga Straight-Edge...pero they can be melodic din ala EMO...
pero musically...kaya in ang EMOPUNK,EMOCORE,SCREAMO,...may mga hints of talents yung music nila eh...melodic,catchy overdriven riffs,melodic solo's etc. maraming magagaling na gitarista bahista at drummer ang "EMO" Genre (i dont know if its proper) for Ex. Quinn Allman ng The Used (maraming techniques din na ginagawa to sa mga songs nila)...maraming mga ibang bands din na na ta typecast na EMO like AS I LAY DYING and ATREYU (they are categorized as METALCORE) URBANDUB (may pagkaoriginal yung tunog nila) kasi hindi narereview ng mabuti yung music nila...kumbaga may sig. ang EMO na pag narinig o nakita nila sayo EMO ka na...
pero good para sa akin ang music nato (actually i only listen sa mga magaganda yung songs,melodic,may depth ang music especially the lyrics) pero pag walang kwenta pagkatapos ko pakinggan eh hindi ko nagustuhan hindi ko na papakinggan ulit ganun lang naman hehehe :-D
add ko lang to:
"Correctly or not, emo has often been used to describe such bands as AFI, Alexisonfire, Brand New, Bright Eyes, Coheed and Cambria, Death Cab for Cutie, Fall Out Boy, From First to Last, Funeral for a Friend, Hawthorne Heights, My Chemical Romance, Panic! at the Disco, Senses Fail, Something Corporate, The Starting Line, Story of the Year, Taking Back Sunday, Thursday, The Used, and Underoath.[11] The classification of bands as "emo" is often controversial. Fans of several of the listed bands have recoiled at the use of the "emo" tag, and have gone to great lengths to explain why they don't qualify as "emo". In many cases, the term has simply been attached to them because of musical similarites, a common fashion sense, or because of the band's popularity within the "emo" scene, not because the band adheres to emo as a music genre."
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: queso_ on February 15, 2007, 02:33:40 PM
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yung isa nga sa kanila tuwing babatiin ko ng "kamusta?" ang laging sagot e "i wanna die, pare."...pero muka naman syang walang problema...o isa lang sya sa exaggerated version ng emo-poser...basta
hahahahah natawa ako dude dun sa " i wanna die, pare".. eh bkt kya ako nakikinig ako ng emo pero i dont wanna die.. d ko maintindihan utak nung mga un.. anu un para maging cool sila pag sinasabi nila un?? anu cool sa pag susuicide? pero syempre d naman lahat ganun :?
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: queso_ on February 15, 2007, 02:37:09 PM
view ko lang po ha...naging trend na kasi ang EMO or naging fashion nalang sabihin na nating impluwensiya lang ng iba kasi nakikisakay sila sa Existing Genre talaga...sisihin natin yung mga lazy kids na anjan ang internet,books at hindi sila magresearch about dun sa ginagawa nila (pagiging EMO)...pwede naman hindi ka pumorma ng ganun tapos tugtog ka ng EMO hehehe...ala GLASSJAW although Post Hardcore sila at mga Straight-Edge...pero they can be melodic din ala EMO...
pero musically...kaya in ang EMOPUNK,EMOCORE,SCREAMO,...may mga hints of talents yung music nila eh...melodic,catchy overdriven riffs,melodic solo's etc. maraming magagaling na gitarista bahista at drummer ang "EMO" Genre (i dont know if its proper) for Ex. Quinn Allman ng The Used (maraming techniques din na ginagawa to sa mga songs nila)...maraming mga ibang bands din na na ta typecast na EMO like AS I LAY DYING and ATREYU (they are categorized as METALCORE) URBANDUB (may pagkaoriginal yung tunog nila) kasi hindi narereview ng mabuti yung music nila...kumbaga may sig. ang EMO na pag narinig o nakita nila sayo EMO ka na...
pero good para sa akin ang music nato (actually i only listen sa mga magaganda yung songs,melodic,may depth ang music especially the lyrics) pero pag walang kwenta pagkatapos ko pakinggan eh hindi ko nagustuhan hindi ko na papakinggan ulit ganun lang naman hehehe :-D
add ko lang to:
"Correctly or not, emo has often been used to describe such bands as AFI, Alexisonfire, Brand New, Bright Eyes, Coheed and Cambria, Death Cab for Cutie, Fall Out Boy, From First to Last, Funeral for a Friend, Hawthorne Heights, My Chemical Romance, Panic! at the Disco, Senses Fail, Something Corporate, The Starting Line, Story of the Year, Taking Back Sunday, Thursday, The Used, and Underoath.[11] The classification of bands as "emo" is often controversial. Fans of several of the listed bands have recoiled at the use of the "emo" tag, and have gone to great lengths to explain why they don't qualify as "emo". In many cases, the term has simply been attached to them because of musical similarites, a common fashion sense, or because of the band's popularity within the "emo" scene, not because the band adheres to emo as a music genre."
as per the followers, do you know how boring and annoying life is in most white countries? can't drink/smoke til you're 18/21, can't go into bars til you're 18/21. so a lot of them dress up and imitate said emo bands to find something to do, and something to whine about as well. otherwise, once they hit 18/21 it's boozing and clubbing time. goodbye emo outfits! :lol:
That is a pretty broad generalization. Have you ever lived in a "White" country? Well, you can drink and smoke at as young an age as you want (as long as you can get away with it without getting a beat down from the 'rents). However, you can't legally buy alcohol or smokes until you are 21 (at least in the US, I can't speak for the other "white" countries). As for the bars, there are alternative venues for the under-21 crowd, plus sometimes you do not need to go to the bar or the club, theres always parties (someone you know, knows someone, who knows someone, who knows where the party is...) I just recently played a 21-and-over venue (the Gig on Melrose Blvd.) and there were guys that looked 'emo' but there was no emo band playing that night. For some, the look is just how they decided to dress up, its just a fashion trend. Anyway, I digress....
yeah that's waht i meant, can't LEGALLY buy drinks/smokes/enter most good bars. and yes i've lived.. am living ina "white" country :wink:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: vinz on February 15, 2007, 04:19:05 PM
...and yes i've lived.. am living in a "white" country :wink:
Well, sorry you find life where you are, boring and annoying. Maybe its your location. Maybe you should come to L.A., there is always something interesting going on out here... :wink:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: jaythegame on February 16, 2007, 03:39:47 AM
view ko lang po ha...naging trend na kasi ang EMO or naging fashion nalang sabihin na nating impluwensiya lang ng iba kasi nakikisakay sila sa Existing Genre talaga...sisihin natin yung mga lazy kids na anjan ang internet,books at hindi sila magresearch about dun sa ginagawa nila (pagiging EMO)...pwede naman hindi ka pumorma ng ganun tapos tugtog ka ng EMO hehehe...ala GLASSJAW although Post Hardcore sila at mga Straight-Edge...pero they can be melodic din ala EMO...
pero musically...kaya in ang EMOPUNK,EMOCORE,SCREAMO,...may mga hints of talents yung music nila eh...melodic,catchy overdriven riffs,melodic solo's etc. maraming magagaling na gitarista bahista at drummer ang "EMO" Genre (i dont know if its proper) for Ex. Quinn Allman ng The Used (maraming techniques din na ginagawa to sa mga songs nila)...maraming mga ibang bands din na na ta typecast na EMO like AS I LAY DYING and ATREYU (they are categorized as METALCORE) URBANDUB (may pagkaoriginal yung tunog nila) kasi hindi narereview ng mabuti yung music nila...kumbaga may sig. ang EMO na pag narinig o nakita nila sayo EMO ka na...
pero good para sa akin ang music nato (actually i only listen sa mga magaganda yung songs,melodic,may depth ang music especially the lyrics) pero pag walang kwenta pagkatapos ko pakinggan eh hindi ko nagustuhan hindi ko na papakinggan ulit ganun lang naman hehehe :-D
add ko lang to:
"Correctly or not, emo has often been used to describe such bands as AFI, Alexisonfire, Brand New, Bright Eyes, Coheed and Cambria, Death Cab for Cutie, Fall Out Boy, From First to Last, Funeral for a Friend, Hawthorne Heights, My Chemical Romance, Panic! at the Disco, Senses Fail, Something Corporate, The Starting Line, Story of the Year, Taking Back Sunday, Thursday, The Used, and Underoath.[11] The classification of bands as "emo" is often controversial. Fans of several of the listed bands have recoiled at the use of the "emo" tag, and have gone to great lengths to explain why they don't qualify as "emo". In many cases, the term has simply been attached to them because of musical similarites, a common fashion sense, or because of the band's popularity within the "emo" scene, not because the band adheres to emo as a music genre."
dude sorry for my ignorance.. anu ba meaning nung straight edge, nakita ko rin kce un sa mga comments sa glassjaw sa youtube.. astig paren glassjaw.
straight edge (sXe) is an idealism introduced by minor threat.. it aims to cleanse the human body from deadly substances such as drugs, alcohol, etc.. there r four rules: (1) dont drink alcoholic beverages, (2) dont smoke, (3) dont do drugs, (4) dont engage in promiscuous sex.. some sxe'ers added a new rule which is (5) be a vegan.. it aims to cleanse the body and mind.. pero naging hardcore to sa us kasi magugulo ang mga sxe'ers.. research paper ko to nunh college hehe.. :-) tagal na nun pero eto lang naaalala ko.. may mga friends ako na sxe.. pag may gigs sila, iced tea lang tlga iniinom nila at years na silang hnd nakakatikim ng beer.. hehe.. peace out!
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: jack in a vox on February 16, 2007, 04:22:18 AM
...and yes i've lived.. am living in a "white" country :wink:
Well, sorry you find life where you are, boring and annoying. Maybe its your location. Maybe you should come to L.A., there is always something interesting going on out here... :wink:
i'm over 21 i can buy booze/smokes if i choose to. besides i'm not emo anyway so don't suffer from /wrists syndrome. quite happy to stay where i am. :lol:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: ubersam on February 16, 2007, 05:25:38 AM
Very cool then... if you decide to come down to L.A., hit me up... we'll get something going... 8-)
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: jack in a vox on February 16, 2007, 06:06:20 AM
sounds like a plan
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: vinz on February 16, 2007, 12:21:52 PM
view ko lang po ha...naging trend na kasi ang EMO or naging fashion nalang sabihin na nating impluwensiya lang ng iba kasi nakikisakay sila sa Existing Genre talaga...sisihin natin yung mga lazy kids na anjan ang internet,books at hindi sila magresearch about dun sa ginagawa nila (pagiging EMO)...pwede naman hindi ka pumorma ng ganun tapos tugtog ka ng EMO hehehe...ala GLASSJAW although Post Hardcore sila at mga Straight-Edge...pero they can be melodic din ala EMO...
pero musically...kaya in ang EMOPUNK,EMOCORE,SCREAMO,...may mga hints of talents yung music nila eh...melodic,catchy overdriven riffs,melodic solo's etc. maraming magagaling na gitarista bahista at drummer ang "EMO" Genre (i dont know if its proper) for Ex. Quinn Allman ng The Used (maraming techniques din na ginagawa to sa mga songs nila)...maraming mga ibang bands din na na ta typecast na EMO like AS I LAY DYING and ATREYU (they are categorized as METALCORE) URBANDUB (may pagkaoriginal yung tunog nila) kasi hindi narereview ng mabuti yung music nila...kumbaga may sig. ang EMO na pag narinig o nakita nila sayo EMO ka na...
pero good para sa akin ang music nato (actually i only listen sa mga magaganda yung songs,melodic,may depth ang music especially the lyrics) pero pag walang kwenta pagkatapos ko pakinggan eh hindi ko nagustuhan hindi ko na papakinggan ulit ganun lang naman hehehe :-D
add ko lang to:
"Correctly or not, emo has often been used to describe such bands as AFI, Alexisonfire, Brand New, Bright Eyes, Coheed and Cambria, Death Cab for Cutie, Fall Out Boy, From First to Last, Funeral for a Friend, Hawthorne Heights, My Chemical Romance, Panic! at the Disco, Senses Fail, Something Corporate, The Starting Line, Story of the Year, Taking Back Sunday, Thursday, The Used, and Underoath.[11] The classification of bands as "emo" is often controversial. Fans of several of the listed bands have recoiled at the use of the "emo" tag, and have gone to great lengths to explain why they don't qualify as "emo". In many cases, the term has simply been attached to them because of musical similarites, a common fashion sense, or because of the band's popularity within the "emo" scene, not because the band adheres to emo as a music genre."
dude sorry for my ignorance.. anu ba meaning nung straight edge, nakita ko rin kce un sa mga comments sa glassjaw sa youtube.. astig paren glassjaw.
straight edge (sXe) is an idealism introduced by minor threat.. it aims to cleanse the human body from deadly substances such as drugs, alcohol, etc.. there r four rules: (1) dont drink alcoholic beverages, (2) dont smoke, (3) dont do drugs, (4) dont engage in promiscuous sex.. some sxe'ers added a new rule which is (5) be a vegan.. it aims to cleanse the body and mind.. pero naging hardcore to sa us kasi magugulo ang mga sxe'ers.. research paper ko to nunh college hehe.. :-) tagal na nun pero eto lang naaalala ko.. may mga friends ako na sxe.. pag may gigs sila, iced tea lang tlga iniinom nila at years na silang hnd nakakatikim ng beer.. hehe.. peace out!
ayan hehehe thanks sa info!
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: skunkyfunk on February 17, 2007, 02:18:02 PM
I missed this thread...
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: queso_ on February 18, 2007, 12:12:23 AM
nung friday may concert ata sa up.. dami emo kids na naglalakad dun. tapos naglalakad kme sa may abelardo hall, naka shirt ako ng lamb of god.. bigla ba naman lumapit tas nag parinig "lamb of god, galing yan emo!" ... :x
pero i agree na emo kids gets chicks.. proof?? punta kau mapua amp na emo guy un.. napaka dungis ng itsura parang d naliligo, pero [apple] chick ung apo ni gloria romero.. at sya pa ung hinahabol.. :x mag papaka dungis narin ako para chick magnet hahahaha peace :lol:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: jaythegame on February 18, 2007, 01:58:50 AM
i really dont get the 'emo' style..
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: ~wind~ on February 18, 2007, 01:32:48 PM
emo? BOOOO!!! d na nakakatuwa ang tunog nila.. pati mga styles, kaadwa! :evil:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: napalmdog on February 18, 2007, 02:10:38 PM
emo is just misrepresented and misinterpreted
lalo na ngayon naging fad na. same happened to punk naging saturated na
isip ko lang, what if all these emo kids naging fan ng blues, tapos start wearing "blues outfits" and then listen and play watered down, pop blues
can you say then na blues sucks? :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: markv on February 18, 2007, 02:53:20 PM
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Guitarists' view on Emo music
------a rock version of boybands!!! :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: odalisque on February 18, 2007, 06:12:02 PM
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on February 18, 2007, 09:34:19 PM
this thread sucks.
1. most people here dont know what real emo is. and they think their favorite mtv band is emo. one of the things that set emo apart in the nineties was DIY ethic. ALL emo bands of the 90s (NOT SUNNY DAY REAL ESTATE 90s) never get themselves signed in major labels, do shows at garages, living rooms, old bars and alleyways (CBGB's was a great bar. O.m.f.u.g. forever.)
2. most people here talk about how bad emo is. this thread is about how you guys, as guitarists, see emo from a guitarists point of view. dont make this thread into an "emo sucks/rocks" thread. there is no point since everyone listens to different stuff.
on number 1. i would like to erm, "educate" those who assume emo is about whiny vocals, tight pants, songs about their girlfriends, and more boo hoo [gooey brown stuff].
here is a history of emo. with mp3s included for you lazy asses who read the history but dont listen to the actual music or style. its the same thing as not knowing that the [strawberry] youre playing. ask any metal listener about the history of metal, im sure most would give you a clear or even complete history. same goes with punk, and hardcore listeners.
the anomaly in the lineage of punk is emo. heres the scoop. imagine mtv discovering a band with whiny vocals. and singing about their exes. "wow, aint that emotional. i know! lets advertise it as emo!". thats where mislabeling begins. real emo is a relatively obscure genre. a prodigal son sired by hardcore punk. now. what if someone else claims your son as his own? wouldnt that suck?
without further ado. i present you the REAL history of emo. the following essay was written by the vocallist of Mesa Verde. an emo band from the states (not the whiny [gooey brown stuff] type)
Late 80s to Mid 90s
If you didn't read FOURFA and don't plan to, then emo was basically created because the tough guy machoness of the original NY hardcore scenes was a bit unappealing to some people. The only solution was for these people to invent a brand of music that future emoists could act all elitist about online (emos have psychic future-predicting powers and saw the internet coming even back in '85, dude). Long ill-informed story short, emo took the original "angry" hardcore punk rock but took it in the direction of melody and emotion. The period when this whole thing really started to kick off is usually refered to as "revolution summer".
If a band is called just "emo" then they are most likely from the MOSS ICON or INDIAN SUMMER (my fave band -paengkee) school of thought, the quiet to loud dynamic and indie-ish melodies are much more obvious than in RITES OF SPRING - who are usually heralded with starting the whole emo thing. THE HATED is a good example of the more pop/indie version of emo with the off-key clean vocal style which many bands would combine with screamy crescendos. The JULIA mp3 is a song which I think sums up these styles the most, very punkish but also something tru-as-fukk hardcore kids would scoff at and say "this isn't hardcore you pussy!" due to the lovely melodies and emotional leanings.
Rites of Spring - For Want Of (4.16 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/ritesofspring.mp3) Moss Icon - Guatemala (7.76 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/mossicon.mp3) The Hated - Everysong (5.38 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/thehated.mp3) Indian Summer - Orchard (5.43 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/indiansummer.mp3) Julia - Untitled (7.49 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/julia.mp3)
Although bands of this style dissappeared some time in the mid-90s, there has been a mini-revival of sorts in the last couple of years with many bands trying to recapture the intensity and passion of these early emo bands. The Pine, Sinaloa, Wow, Owls!, Life At These Speeds and Catena Collapse are just some of the bands out there giving those of us who missed it the first time a chance to enjoy that [gooey brown stuff] live.
Early 90s to Late 90s
The missing link between early emo bands like Indian Summer and the current sound of bands like Orchid, City of Caterpillar, et al was when proper angry young hardcore kiddies starting jamming the emotional element into their music. Bands like HONEYWELL, MOHINDER and SWING KIDS set the tone for the screamo phase of the late 90s whilst PORTRAITS OF PAST set the blueprint for so many modern emo bands.
Honeywell - You and Me (4.46 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/honeywell.mp3) Swing Kids - 43 Seconds (4.03 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/swingkids.mp3) Mohinder - Numb (2.34 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/mohinder.mp3) Portraits of Past - Implications of a Sinkhole Personal (5.37 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/portraitsofpast.mp3)
This stuff is obviously far more chaotic and screamy than the previous brand of emo and also far less cheesey. This era of emo certainly set the groundwork for the next wave of bands, who became even more chaotic even taking influences from grindcore and metal. Canada, of all places, had a whole apocalyptic hardcore thing going on in the mid-90s which had a huge influence on the late 90s sound. One Eyed God Prophecy, Breakwater, Jonah, Drift and UNION OF URANUS are just a few that later emo bands (whether any of these Canadian bands are emo is up for debate) ripped off in a big way. SAETIA appeared around the mid-90s to late-90s mark and are credited with influencing a lot of the current modern emo stuff.
Union of Uranus - Pedestal (4.16 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/uranus.mp3) Saetia - Venus and Bacchus (4.74 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/saetia.mp3)
The influence of all the above bands on the modern emo sound should be obvious. Bands like Joshua Fit For Battle, Love Lost But Not Forgotten, You And I and Spirit of Versailles all seemed to take what Saetia did and make it less emo and more good. Whilst the amount of bands that ripped off the Canadian sound is pretty much all of the next section...
Late 90s to Present
Screamo is the worst genre name ever, this much we can all agree on. It has become one of the most annoying and abused terms ever, used to describe any modern hardcore band that has cheesey bits or "emotional" lyrics. A [gooey brown stuff] explanation is that Hardcore Emo sort of died in the mid-90s and turnt into mushy indie-emo for a while, but when the whole chaotic thing took off again the new bands were known as screamo. Thanks for that, jerks! Screamo took off in a huge way though, with ORCHID, REVERSAL OF MAN, USURP SYNAPSE, JEROME'S DREAM and HASSAN I SABBAH taking the Uranus style and making it even faster and even more chaotic. When you compare this stuff to the very first emo bands, you'll see why the "screamo" distinction is made. You'll often hear of "Witching-Hour style screamo", Witching Hour was a record label who put out a [gooey brown stuff] of seminal screamo releases including most of the bands in this list.
Jerome's Dream - Taking Care of Terrific (1.70 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/jeromesdream.mp3) Hassan I Sabbah - Untitled (0.8 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/hassan.mp3) Orchid - Aesthetic Dialectic (2.71 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/orchid.mp3) Usurp Synapse - Wrist Meet Razor (1.44 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/orchid.mp3) Reversal of Man - I'm a New York Detective... (2.92 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/reversalofman.mp3)
This style is still alive and kicking in 2005, especially in Europe. Phoenix Bodies, Kaospilot and Shikari are examples of bands who've taken the standard format but did something a little different, whilst bands like The Apoplexy Twist Orchestra and Louis Cyphre are much more akin to the Witching Hour style. It's been beaten to death a little though, and bands have started trying to combine the intensity and chaos with the exact opposite...
21st Century Emo!
The number of amazing screamo bands not listed in the screamo section is pretty big, that should tell you how saturated that sound ended up being. As a result bands started trying new things, combining the modern chaotic sound with the old, original quiet-loud dynamic of bands like Moss Icon and Indian Summer. CITY OF CATERPILLAR were one of the first to combine Godspeed You! Black Emperor and Mogwai style post-rock with emo, whilst Japanese band ENVY were doing a similar thing to their previously straight-up hardcore assault. A weird combination of emo, grind and experimentation also became the norm with two bands doing it particularly well, PG.99 and CIRCLE TAKES THE SQUARE being two modern seminal chaotic emo bands.
City of Caterpillar - [strawberry]ing Hero (6.15 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/cityofcaterpillar.mp3) Envy - Chacun de tes Pas (6.74 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/envy.mp3) <<< GOOD BAND Pg.99 - In Love With An Apparition (2.71 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/pg99.mp3) <<< SAME HERE http://Circle Takes The Square - Same Shade as Concrete (6.27 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/ctts.mp3)<<<AND THIS
Throaty shouted vocals early-90s style emo and the post-rock with screamo style seems to be the direction the emo scene is headed in at the moment. Funeral Diner, La Quiete and Raein (amongst others) are also very much keeping the Portraits of Past school of emo alive.
WHY IS THERE CONFUSION?!
As touched upon previously, in the mid-90s emo went through a whole phase when new screamy emo bands stopped appearing. The scene sort of died out, probably due to saturation and lack of interest. When this happened, a phase of emo occured quite horribly referred to as "post-emo-indie-rock". It's my opinion that this stage is to blame for most of the confusion, and why bands like Jimmy Eat World and Deep Elm Records bands are thought of as emo. Probably evolving from the likes of The Hated and Evergreen rather than Moss Icon, bands like Cap'n'Jazz, Sunny Day Real Estate and Braid made upbeat quirky pop. Because these bands made catchy music it wasn't long until similar bands started appearing in the mainstream, and the press of course got a hold of the emo term and bastardised it.
These days emo is applied to any band which sounds like these mid-90s poppy emo bands, leaving an entire category of music fans unaware of the hardcore roots. Another reason it is often misused is because although emo has changed a lot in the last two decades, the attitude towards it from grass roots hardcore fans has remained the same. Most deny any relation to hardcore and often label it "pussy" and "queer", even when it comes to the chaotic style (which, funnily enough, is often far more intense and challenging to listen to than straight-up HC). Thursday, who did come from a DIY emo background (they infamously supported Neil Perry, a US screamo band), were one of the first to go mainstream and are probably to blame for so many bands being mislabelled screamo and the whole misrepresentation of yet another emo buzzword.
It's reasons like this why sites like fourfa exist, and why I felt the need to type this crap up. So many times I've had to post links to an Orchid mp3 and say "this is what emo is you stupid [strawberry]" (I'm an internet badass) that even I'm tired of listening myself telling people. But since the reaction to bands like Orchid and City of Caterpillar is often "hey... this is pretty good, i didnt expect this at all" I feel it is worthwhile to continue doing. Thus, now I will simply link them here so they can download mp3s instead of me posting the same [gooey brown stuff] over and over. Everyone's a winner!
please take time to read. i dont like my posts being in vain.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: zasam_4 on February 18, 2007, 09:49:21 PM
:-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Bart on February 18, 2007, 10:05:42 PM
.....emo will die down...because they keep on slashing their wrists and they will bleed to death hehehe
Actually, slitting ones wrist has got to be one of the least effective methods of suicide. It's the method of the ambiguous and a lame way of getting attention at that. So much like OD'ing on Tylenol.
The resolute ones choose something more effective like hanging, blowing their heads of with a gun, and for those who want to die in a blaze of glory, death by cop.
@ ubersam: Hey, another SoCal boy. There's a bunch of us PhilMusic expats living within and around the L.A. area. Once in a while we get together and jam in one of the studios in North Hollywood. Maybe sometime you could come and join us.
1. most people here dont know what real emo is. and they think their favorite mtv band is emo. one of the things that set emo apart in the nineties was DIY ethic. ALL emo bands of the 90s (NOT SUNNY DAY REAL ESTATE 90s) never get themselves signed in major labels, do shows at garages, living rooms, old bars and alleyways (CBGB's was a great bar. O.m.f.u.g. forever.)
2. most people here talk about how bad emo is. this thread is about how you guys, as guitarists, see emo from a guitarists point of view. dont make this thread into an "emo sucks/rocks" thread. there is no point since everyone listens to different stuff.
on number 1. i would like to erm, "educate" those who assume emo is about whiny vocals, tight pants, songs about their girlfriends, and more boo hoo [gooey brown stuff].
here is a history of emo. with mp3s included for you lazy asses who read the history but dont listen to the actual music or style. its the same thing as not knowing that the [strawberry] youre playing. ask any metal listener about the history of metal, im sure most would give you a clear or even complete history. same goes with punk, and hardcore listeners.
the anomaly in the lineage of punk is emo. heres the scoop. imagine mtv discovering a band with whiny vocals. and singing about their exes. "wow, aint that emotional. i know! lets advertise it as emo!". thats where mislabeling begins. real emo is a relatively obscure genre. a prodigal son sired by hardcore punk. now. what if someone else claims your son as his own? wouldnt that suck?
without further ado. i present you the REAL history of emo. the following essay was written by the vocallist of Mesa Verde. an emo band from the states (not the whiny [gooey brown stuff] type)
Late 80s to Mid 90s
If you didn't read FOURFA and don't plan to, then emo was basically created because the tough guy machoness of the original NY hardcore scenes was a bit unappealing to some people. The only solution was for these people to invent a brand of music that future emoists could act all elitist about online (emos have psychic future-predicting powers and saw the internet coming even back in '85, dude). Long ill-informed story short, emo took the original "angry" hardcore punk rock but took it in the direction of melody and emotion. The period when this whole thing really started to kick off is usually refered to as "revolution summer".
If a band is called just "emo" then they are most likely from the MOSS ICON or INDIAN SUMMER (my fave band -paengkee) school of thought, the quiet to loud dynamic and indie-ish melodies are much more obvious than in RITES OF SPRING - who are usually heralded with starting the whole emo thing. THE HATED is a good example of the more pop/indie version of emo with the off-key clean vocal style which many bands would combine with screamy crescendos. The JULIA mp3 is a song which I think sums up these styles the most, very punkish but also something tru-as-fukk hardcore kids would scoff at and say "this isn't hardcore you pussy!" due to the lovely melodies and emotional leanings.
Rites of Spring - For Want Of (4.16 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/ritesofspring.mp3) Moss Icon - Guatemala (7.76 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/mossicon.mp3) The Hated - Everysong (5.38 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/thehated.mp3) Indian Summer - Orchard (5.43 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/indiansummer.mp3) Julia - Untitled (7.49 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/julia.mp3)
Although bands of this style dissappeared some time in the mid-90s, there has been a mini-revival of sorts in the last couple of years with many bands trying to recapture the intensity and passion of these early emo bands. The Pine, Sinaloa, Wow, Owls!, Life At These Speeds and Catena Collapse are just some of the bands out there giving those of us who missed it the first time a chance to enjoy that [gooey brown stuff] live.
Early 90s to Late 90s
The missing link between early emo bands like Indian Summer and the current sound of bands like Orchid, City of Caterpillar, et al was when proper angry young hardcore kiddies starting jamming the emotional element into their music. Bands like HONEYWELL, MOHINDER and SWING KIDS set the tone for the screamo phase of the late 90s whilst PORTRAITS OF PAST set the blueprint for so many modern emo bands.
Honeywell - You and Me (4.46 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/honeywell.mp3) Swing Kids - 43 Seconds (4.03 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/swingkids.mp3) Mohinder - Numb (2.34 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/mohinder.mp3) Portraits of Past - Implications of a Sinkhole Personal (5.37 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/portraitsofpast.mp3)
This stuff is obviously far more chaotic and screamy than the previous brand of emo and also far less cheesey. This era of emo certainly set the groundwork for the next wave of bands, who became even more chaotic even taking influences from grindcore and metal. Canada, of all places, had a whole apocalyptic hardcore thing going on in the mid-90s which had a huge influence on the late 90s sound. One Eyed God Prophecy, Breakwater, Jonah, Drift and UNION OF URANUS are just a few that later emo bands (whether any of these Canadian bands are emo is up for debate) ripped off in a big way. SAETIA appeared around the mid-90s to late-90s mark and are credited with influencing a lot of the current modern emo stuff.
Union of Uranus - Pedestal (4.16 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/uranus.mp3) Saetia - Venus and Bacchus (4.74 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/saetia.mp3)
The influence of all the above bands on the modern emo sound should be obvious. Bands like Joshua Fit For Battle, Love Lost But Not Forgotten, You And I and Spirit of Versailles all seemed to take what Saetia did and make it less emo and more good. Whilst the amount of bands that ripped off the Canadian sound is pretty much all of the next section...
Late 90s to Present
Screamo is the worst genre name ever, this much we can all agree on. It has become one of the most annoying and abused terms ever, used to describe any modern hardcore band that has cheesey bits or "emotional" lyrics. A [gooey brown stuff] explanation is that Hardcore Emo sort of died in the mid-90s and turnt into mushy indie-emo for a while, but when the whole chaotic thing took off again the new bands were known as screamo. Thanks for that, jerks! Screamo took off in a huge way though, with ORCHID, REVERSAL OF MAN, USURP SYNAPSE, JEROME'S DREAM and HASSAN I SABBAH taking the Uranus style and making it even faster and even more chaotic. When you compare this stuff to the very first emo bands, you'll see why the "screamo" distinction is made. You'll often hear of "Witching-Hour style screamo", Witching Hour was a record label who put out a [gooey brown stuff] of seminal screamo releases including most of the bands in this list.
Jerome's Dream - Taking Care of Terrific (1.70 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/jeromesdream.mp3) Hassan I Sabbah - Untitled (0.8 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/hassan.mp3) Orchid - Aesthetic Dialectic (2.71 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/orchid.mp3) Usurp Synapse - Wrist Meet Razor (1.44 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/orchid.mp3) Reversal of Man - I'm a New York Detective... (2.92 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/reversalofman.mp3)
This style is still alive and kicking in 2005, especially in Europe. Phoenix Bodies, Kaospilot and Shikari are examples of bands who've taken the standard format but did something a little different, whilst bands like The Apoplexy Twist Orchestra and Louis Cyphre are much more akin to the Witching Hour style. It's been beaten to death a little though, and bands have started trying to combine the intensity and chaos with the exact opposite...
21st Century Emo!
The number of amazing screamo bands not listed in the screamo section is pretty big, that should tell you how saturated that sound ended up being. As a result bands started trying new things, combining the modern chaotic sound with the old, original quiet-loud dynamic of bands like Moss Icon and Indian Summer. CITY OF CATERPILLAR were one of the first to combine Godspeed You! Black Emperor and Mogwai style post-rock with emo, whilst Japanese band ENVY were doing a similar thing to their previously straight-up hardcore assault. A weird combination of emo, grind and experimentation also became the norm with two bands doing it particularly well, PG.99 and CIRCLE TAKES THE SQUARE being two modern seminal chaotic emo bands.
City of Caterpillar - [strawberry]ing Hero (6.15 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/cityofcaterpillar.mp3) Envy - Chacun de tes Pas (6.74 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/envy.mp3) <<< GOOD BAND Pg.99 - In Love With An Apparition (2.71 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/pg99.mp3) <<< SAME HERE http://Circle Takes The Square - Same Shade as Concrete (6.27 MB) (http://www.mesaverde.co.uk/mp3/ctts.mp3)<<<AND THIS
Throaty shouted vocals early-90s style emo and the post-rock with screamo style seems to be the direction the emo scene is headed in at the moment. Funeral Diner, La Quiete and Raein (amongst others) are also very much keeping the Portraits of Past school of emo alive.
WHY IS THERE CONFUSION?!
As touched upon previously, in the mid-90s emo went through a whole phase when new screamy emo bands stopped appearing. The scene sort of died out, probably due to saturation and lack of interest. When this happened, a phase of emo occured quite horribly referred to as "post-emo-indie-rock". It's my opinion that this stage is to blame for most of the confusion, and why bands like Jimmy Eat World and Deep Elm Records bands are thought of as emo. Probably evolving from the likes of The Hated and Evergreen rather than Moss Icon, bands like Cap'n'Jazz, Sunny Day Real Estate and Braid made upbeat quirky pop. Because these bands made catchy music it wasn't long until similar bands started appearing in the mainstream, and the press of course got a hold of the emo term and bastardised it.
These days emo is applied to any band which sounds like these mid-90s poppy emo bands, leaving an entire category of music fans unaware of the hardcore roots. Another reason it is often misused is because although emo has changed a lot in the last two decades, the attitude towards it from grass roots hardcore fans has remained the same. Most deny any relation to hardcore and often label it "pussy" and "queer", even when it comes to the chaotic style (which, funnily enough, is often far more intense and challenging to listen to than straight-up HC). Thursday, who did come from a DIY emo background (they infamously supported Neil Perry, a US screamo band), were one of the first to go mainstream and are probably to blame for so many bands being mislabelled screamo and the whole misrepresentation of yet another emo buzzword.
It's reasons like this why sites like fourfa exist, and why I felt the need to type this crap up. So many times I've had to post links to an Orchid mp3 and say "this is what emo is you stupid [strawberry]" (I'm an internet badass) that even I'm tired of listening myself telling people. But since the reaction to bands like Orchid and City of Caterpillar is often "hey... this is pretty good, i didnt expect this at all" I feel it is worthwhile to continue doing. Thus, now I will simply link them here so they can download mp3s instead of me posting the same [gooey brown stuff] over and over. Everyone's a winner!
please take time to read. i dont like my posts being in vain.
+100000 to you bro! talino mo hehe.. :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: jack in a vox on February 19, 2007, 07:38:21 AM
....Is everyone that comes out of your country a nurse or a CNA?
Yeah. And were making a buttload of money wherever we go. :lol:
i'm surprised also at the number of kick-ass programmers/developers coming from back home. i've been in IT here for 3 years and i really look up to the new guys. they know their stuff.
glad to see IT is not dead yet.
and @ paengkee did you write all that? dedicated talaga. :wink:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on February 19, 2007, 08:33:03 PM
^^^ just preaching... i have tons of contacts with the underground over yonder at the land of milk and honey. they taught me everything i know.
waht frustrates me is that, whenever i TRY to tell someone that their fave band isnt emo, they go all "shut the hell up. i listen to what i want to listen to". it annoys me how close minded some people are.
everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
but that alone doesnt make you correct.
enough about finch, fall out boy, atreyu and gay ass whining. listen to the real [gooey brown stuff].
and for the MTV emo listeners. keep your dirty ass hands from the term emo. it was never yours to begin with.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: zooyork_boi on February 20, 2007, 04:47:00 AM
ok ung mga original na EMO 2lad ng weezer.. may mga ok din naman na EMO bands ngaun. ang pangit lng naman kc sa mga EMO ngaun eh ung looks nila. parang mga baklang nagpapangap na pitbull! tska ung boses parang inipit ung mga betlog. ung ngaun kc malalaman mo na EMO kagad ang isng banda dahil sa itsura eh. kahit ndi mo pa naririnig ung 2g2gan.. kng sa bagay pana-panahon lng yan. tpos na hardcore, grunge, nu-metal genre. nagkataon na panahon ng EMO ngaun. pero lilipas din yan. hntyn nyu nalang ung susunod na genre. :evil:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: zooyork_boi on February 20, 2007, 04:49:48 AM
@ ubersam: Hey, another SoCal boy. There's a bunch of us PhilMusic expats living within and around the L.A. area. Once in a while we get together and jam in one of the studios in North Hollywood. Maybe sometime you could come and join us.
Sounds good to me... hit me up when you plan the next one...
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: greenweenie on February 20, 2007, 08:36:36 AM
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: dubista on February 20, 2007, 06:38:07 PM
i luv emo. bow hehe! :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: neps on February 20, 2007, 06:45:56 PM
Emo? The music is ok.. But I cant stand the way they whine about practically everything.. Crying out their eyes like a little girl.. Well. It was called "emo" for nothing..
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on February 20, 2007, 08:18:28 PM
ok ung mga original na EMO 2lad ng weezer.. may mga ok din naman na EMO bands ngaun. ang pangit lng naman kc sa mga EMO ngaun eh ung looks nila. parang mga baklang nagpapangap na pitbull! tska ung boses parang inipit ung mga betlog. ung ngaun kc malalaman mo na EMO kagad ang isng banda dahil sa itsura eh. kahit ndi mo pa naririnig ung 2g2gan.. kng sa bagay pana-panahon lng yan. tpos na hardcore, grunge, nu-metal genre. nagkataon na panahon ng EMO ngaun. pero lilipas din yan. hntyn nyu nalang ung susunod na genre. :evil:
ha ha. weezer aint emo.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on February 20, 2007, 08:20:53 PM
Emo? The music is ok.. But I cant stand the way they whine about practically everything.. Crying out their eyes like a little girl.. Well. It was called "emo" for nothing..
whining DOES NOT EQUAL EMO...
Led Zeppelin sound whiny. and they sing about heartbreakers. are they emo?
READ MY GODDAMN LONG POSTS
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: MikEh on February 20, 2007, 08:26:58 PM
so enough about the whining and discuss the music. demmit.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: marzi on February 20, 2007, 09:08:16 PM
ok...so paengkee made his point by stating what real EMO is (and he was kind enough making a nobela-like explanation - very elaborate and helpful,man! :-) )...
next lesson: "Respect"....
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on February 20, 2007, 10:42:19 PM
^^^ thats where i go out. respect can never be taught (even though theres a saying that goes "im gonna teach you some respect!")
people always criticize what they dont understand simply because they dont get it.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: skunkyfunk on February 20, 2007, 10:54:47 PM
^^^ thats where i go out. respect can never be taught (even though theres a saying that goes "im gonna teach you some respect!")
people always criticize what they dont understand simply because they dont get it.
Well, the lesson here is CORPORATE MUSIC. Labeling, mislabeling, de-labeling are all a product of marketing strategy. Don't blame the clueless listeners paengkee; they are actually what the record companies thrive on. Want some more talk like these? Sitti being the Bossa Queen... go figure...
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Domengik on February 21, 2007, 12:42:49 AM
^^^ thats where i go out. respect can never be taught (even though theres a saying that goes "im gonna teach you some respect!")
people always criticize what they dont understand simply because they dont get it.
Well, the lesson here is CORPORATE MUSIC. Labeling, mislabeling, de-labeling are all a product of marketing strategy. Don't blame the clueless listeners paengkee; they are actually what the record companies thrive on. Want some more talk like these? Sitti being the Bossa Queen... go figure...
pare you're right. i agree with you. + 100 ka sa kin.
apir tayo jan! (plak!)
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Domengik on February 21, 2007, 12:48:24 AM
I honestly think emo is not that lame as compared to what the older folks say. And in all honesty, I've liked the guitar tone of emo. It's sounds edgy, near compressed metal tone. Big drum sounds also make me like the genre. Emo is a great genre of music, save for the hairdos and make-up.
sir ignorant question lang...what is EMO music??/ :?
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: napalmdog on February 21, 2007, 01:59:54 PM
sa local scene...
typecast ang front runner sa new "emo"
i respect and admire their guitarist and drummer. although madaming songs nila ang sounds alike sa mga influences, some say na kopya yung iba
pero magaling pa din, esp. pag live
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: fraudulentzodiac on February 21, 2007, 02:21:30 PM
sir easy lang, you can't expect everyone to know what you know about the real emo kaya di natin sila masisisi kung ganun magcommment, including myself kasi naman people like us were never exposed to what you're preaching to us . For that I apologize (even if there's no need to) because I understand how annoying it is when people say something bad about something you are passionate about. Also thanks for the education about what emo really is.
With regards to what I have heard sa mga mp3 na nilagay mo(yes I took my time to listen and read your post) I will say na "medyo ", ok medyo lang ha, may similarities sila with the more popular bands na branded as "emo". siguro may idea rin sila kung ano talaga yung emo PERO the way these real emo songs are put together gives it a more deviant feel to it. All in all I think what you've presented to us sounds a lot better than those pop songs called "emo" bullcrap. peace lang.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: nathanmanansala on February 21, 2007, 04:54:47 PM
Emo? The music is ok.. But I cant stand the way they whine about practically everything.. Crying out their eyes like a little girl.. Well. It was called "emo" for nothing..
whining DOES NOT EQUAL EMO...
Led Zeppelin sound whiny. and they sing about heartbreakers. are they emo?
READ MY GODDAMN LONG POSTS
you sound pretty emo to me.
pero theres a big difference. emo would be like "damn you dumped me, i'm gonna slit my wrists". led zep would be "damn you dumped me, now i'm free to screw everything thats even remotely female that comes to my gigs"
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: fretburner on February 21, 2007, 06:02:03 PM
led zeppelin rules!
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: ioffendpeople on February 21, 2007, 06:08:42 PM
I'm just wondering, how can other genres of music not be emotional?
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: fretburner on February 21, 2007, 06:19:14 PM
^^^ nakatakip kasi mga muka nila. once the wind flips it away. howmayghulay...
wahahaha ok namn ung ibang emo songs eh pero ewn ko siguro nasa trip na yan ng tao on how they would appreciate such genre of music...
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: mjpartinez on February 21, 2007, 10:41:32 PM
depende eh...medyo pang bata na ..pero if i was a few years younger baka mahatak ako...may magagaling pero mangilan lang yung iba kase hindi talaga ma differentiate ..... tsaka the whiny voice is starting to get to my nerves.... kung sa guitar lang okay na yung mga riffs boardering punk tsaka hardcore tapos (god forbid,, opinion lang) hint lang ng metal) ang masama talaga yung relentless na pag promote kaya nagagasgas ,nagiging stereotyped at higit sa lahat nalulunod and quality sa mediocrity (tama ba spelling?).. opinion lang po
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: badongrodrigs on February 21, 2007, 10:41:55 PM
ika nga nila, one man's treasure is another man's trash. :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: mjpartinez on February 21, 2007, 10:48:53 PM
eto pa isa na ayaw ko ( pero wala namang kinalaman sa music nila). nakakapagtaka.. bakit naggayahan sila ng porma?...the hair the eyeliner?... black shirts high backpacks and the works?... ang labo nakakaines parang mga zombie o robot na pinirate ang isa't isa...sorry... nothing against the music
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: mjpartinez on February 21, 2007, 10:51:23 PM
oo nga magling mga drummer sa emo....
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: jennie on February 21, 2007, 10:51:36 PM
eto pa isa na ayaw ko ( pero wala namang kinalaman sa music nila). nakakapagtaka.. bakit naggayahan sila ng porma?...the hair the eyeliner?... black shirts high backpacks and the works?... ang labo nakakaines parang mga zombie o robot na pinirate ang isa't isa...sorry... nothing against the music
onga noh...hmmm bakit nga b... :?
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: badongrodrigs on February 21, 2007, 11:02:27 PM
^^ eeh kasi kanya kanyang trip lang yan. :-D
you could ask the same question sa mga fashonistas.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: jennie on February 21, 2007, 11:06:05 PM
eto pa isa na ayaw ko ( pero wala namang kinalaman sa music nila). nakakapagtaka.. bakit naggayahan sila ng porma?...the hair the eyeliner?... black shirts high backpacks and the works?... ang labo nakakaines parang mga zombie o robot na pinirate ang isa't isa...sorry... nothing against the music
onga noh...hmmm bakit nga b... :?
dahil ba "IN"?
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: zooyork_boi on February 22, 2007, 12:07:15 AM
eto pa isa na ayaw ko ( pero wala namang kinalaman sa music nila). nakakapagtaka.. bakit naggayahan sila ng porma?...the hair the eyeliner?... black shirts high backpacks and the works?... ang labo nakakaines parang mga zombie o robot na pinirate ang isa't isa...sorry... nothing against the music
hehe.. baka wla na cla maisip na porma. kaya pinaghalo nlng nila pormang metal, punk tska kabaklaan. :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: jennie on February 22, 2007, 12:34:47 AM
eto pa isa na ayaw ko ( pero wala namang kinalaman sa music nila). nakakapagtaka.. bakit naggayahan sila ng porma?...the hair the eyeliner?... black shirts high backpacks and the works?... ang labo nakakaines parang mga zombie o robot na pinirate ang isa't isa...sorry... nothing against the music
onga noh...hmmm bakit nga b... :?
dahil ba "IN"?
i don't actually know kung dahil ba in yun...maybe its just their style tlga and para ma-recognize sla as emo bands...prang mga rockers...diba kadalasan shirt and jeans ang suot nla i mean di over styled...simple lang sila manamit....so i think ganon din mga emo guys... :-D wait so panic! and fall out boy is not emo right?? ala lng...i mean di ko ikahihiya pero i like their songs...also green day...uhm good charlotte...coheed and cambria is nice...hmmm...anyway nasa taste na ng tao un whatever genre it is...its still considered as music anyway....and talent parin un...opinion lng po...
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: fraudulentzodiac on February 22, 2007, 01:04:01 AM
Yep...talent to annoy... hehe joke lang. :-D but seriously, nung narinig ko si fall out boy I smiled and remembered all those who auditioned at american idol that gave me the same feeing of happiness...yung tipong nakakatawa... :lol: opinion din lang po.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: bugoy on February 22, 2007, 01:21:58 AM
Yep...talent to annoy... hehe joke lang. :-D but seriously, nung narinig ko si fall out boy I smiled and remembered all those who auditioned at american idol that gave me the same feeing of happiness...yung tipong nakakatawa... :lol: opinion din lang po.
EMO ba ang falloutboy ? di ah, pakinggan mo yung lyrics ng mga kanta nila, wala naman silang nirereklamo o kawawa kuno ah ehehe puro tunkol sa chicks yung kanta nila, though medyo pormang EMO nga yung bassist nila dahil dun sa eyeliner niya palagi eheheh yung bassist lang naman
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: badongrodrigs on February 22, 2007, 01:25:22 AM
^^ american pop rock ang falloutboy haha
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: ubersam on February 22, 2007, 03:41:53 AM
Yep...talent to annoy... hehe joke lang. :-D but seriously, nung narinig ko si fall out boy I smiled and remembered all those who auditioned at american idol that gave me the same feeing of happiness...yung tipong nakakatawa... :lol: opinion din lang po.
EMO ba ang falloutboy ? di ah, pakinggan mo yung lyrics ng mga kanta nila, wala naman silang nirereklamo o kawawa kuno ah ehehe puro tunkol sa chicks yung kanta nila, though medyo pormang EMO nga yung bassist nila dahil dun sa eyeliner niya palagi eheheh yung bassist lang naman
hmmm...pakibasa naman yung post nung quinote ko...hindi ako ang nagsabi na emo ang fall out boy...
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on February 22, 2007, 08:15:37 PM
about the fashion and the hair:
based on my observation on the emo scene here in davao, "emo kids" dress and look like that because they say its their way of representing the genre...
i think its stupid to represent a genre that they have little or no knowledge beyond whats being shown on mtv.
ask any "emo kid" with "the hair" about the history, no, the TIMELINE of emo. i think almost none will give a concrete answer. i tried this. and all i get are: "who cares" "do i have to explain to you?" or "i dont need to know"
stupid. not knowing history is a really stupid way to represent your genre.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: helmetboy on February 22, 2007, 08:20:11 PM
based on my observation on the emo scene here in davao, "emo kids" dress and look like that because they say its their way of representing the genre...
i think its stupid to represent a genre that they have little or no knowledge beyond whats being shown on mtv.
ask any "emo kid" with "the hair" about the history, no, the TIMELINE of emo. i think almost none will give a concrete answer. i tried this. and all i get are: "who cares" "do i have to explain to you?" or "i dont need to know"
stupid. not knowing history is a really stupid way to represent your genre.
agree. tapos tanungin mo ung mga emo kids na yun kung sino ung nasa tshirt nila, hindi nila kilala... :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Seej on February 22, 2007, 08:26:40 PM
May mga ibang emo na poser.
May mga ibang emo talaga.
Iba na ang emo, pati music, nainfluence rin. Hahaha.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: funkmaestro on February 22, 2007, 08:40:18 PM
I like them kasi masaya minsan ung tugtugan kahit malungkot ung lyrics....basta.. o sa mga nagpaplanong maging emo...eto ung guide http://youtube.com/watch?v=JGLv3IEL0VI (http://youtube.com/watch?v=JGLv3IEL0VI)...comedy to...
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Post by: funkmaestro on February 22, 2007, 08:41:59 PM
no offense sa mga emo...comedy lang talga yang video na yan....ok?
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: kurtcobainer on February 22, 2007, 10:11:00 PM
I like them kasi masaya minsan ung tugtugan kahit malungkot ung lyrics....basta.. o sa mga nagpaplanong maging emo...eto ung guide http://youtube.com/watch?v=JGLv3IEL0VI (http://youtube.com/watch?v=JGLv3IEL0VI)...comedy to...
dude hahahahaha nakakatawa to.. how to be emo hahaha.. and nabasa ko ung mga comments, most of them think emo as a fashion.. at ung pagiging sensitve nila, that is really stupid. dapat sir paengkee ipost mo din ung roots ng emo.. :mrgreen:
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Post by: zooyork_boi on February 26, 2007, 02:36:22 AM
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: nookie on February 26, 2007, 05:44:06 AM
Let EMO be EMO, they have their own culture (teen pop culture ngayon yata to) pinsan ng punk music as it seems. Let Metal be US!!! -- :evil: live and let live.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: burnsbhm on February 26, 2007, 02:00:35 PM
posers - yung mga taong nakikisabay lang sa uso/trend para magmukha silang cool. At ang na-uso nga ngayon eh yung "emo" raw na porma like yung one sided bangs, thick eyeliner, yung wearing skinny jeans, fake worn out chucks or vans, studded belts at tight "emo" band shirts na often ay hindi naman talaga emo.. [may nakita pa nga ako nakasuot ng Led Zep na shirt eh.. LOL] most of the time mga orcs din sila.
kupaws - not really sure about this, though. lemme guess.. parang fans ng Greyhounds? parang mga Daga ng Queso? parang mga Banana-Q Boys ng Cueshe? mga Shooting Stars ng hale? wahaha! joke. di ko talaga alam.
orcs - also known as JJ's. [Jumping Jologs] mga taong pumunta lang sa concert for the sake of slamman at moshpit.. some doesn't even appreciate the playing band's musical talent. they just enjoy the sound of the distorted guitar, if you know what i mean. yung parang makarinig lang ng distortion magwawala na sa gitna.. at kadalasan pa, kasama nila yung "horde" nila sa mga concert na pinupuntahan nila with matching flags and banners na nakalagay: "\m/EmO-RoCkiZtAh's nG PaYaTaS!! \m/" or something like that.
inutil -self-explanatory.
oops todo-OT na.
tss. maraming talagang di nakakaalam tungkol sa tunay na ibig sabihin ng emo..
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: IncX on January 26, 2008, 10:45:48 AM
well, i really dont think "emo" is what emo really is. the stuff i hear now are either metal-ed version of alternative or prog version of alternative with a little gutteral or screamed versions of growling.
id like to consider this genre the new school of metal - not nu metal.
its really ironic that nu-metal was a genre that focused on grooves and banging on cave-man approved open chords i.e. technicalities sacrificed for aggression
while
new school of metal has all the techniques and cliche'd versions of arpeggio sweep picking/tremolo picking/crazy lead playing at the expense of being wimps. yes youve heard me... they are all wimpy sounding... i guess thats the "musicians trend" of the year... chops heavy, wimp music.
-*-
if you look at the fingers of the nu metal era guitarist, his first 2 fingers will be flat like a bar (he uses it to fret chords in Drop D tuning) while his 3rd finger and pinky are useless.
if you look at the fingers of the new school era... its like their fingers are doing this pattern all the time:
regardless of what music he is jamming to, his brain is programmed to insert that cliche'd shape ... while imagining he is one of those DOTA heroes ... or something equally as geeky.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: blasphemous_grim on January 26, 2008, 11:25:07 AM
The Cure WILL never be emo.... They're one of the founders of Goth. Lame... I'm not referring to paengkee. I'm just so pissed that they compare that fag genre to goth. or if not compare, dare to include the name of the band who founded goth.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: mikeiow on January 26, 2008, 11:26:16 AM
Non stop cycle lang to:
Yung mga panahong mga 50's 60's they say that rock 'n roll is the devil's music, mga tipong elvis presley music pa yun...ehehhehe tapos naging psychedelic 70's drug influenced rock...mga hendrix, led zep, zappa...tapos mga early metal na mga black sabbath...hanggang sa nag evolve to punk na kalaban ang mga nu-wavers (which i think yung porma ng emo nanggaling) then there's the 80's glam rock na yung original band pogi boy band with matching make-up, tight tights, and big hair...then came the seattle sound, (grunge, atlernative) na nagbigay chance sa mga bandang kahit d mashadong marunong tumugtog, but can still rock (this is my genre by the way, ahem). they killed the glam rock era...then dito sa pilipins nagkaroon "hiphop versus metal" in the 90's (punks not dead) then nagkaroon ulit nang change...may rap metal na... then curt cobain shot himself and the grunge genre suddenly faded...kasi pumasok yung mga backstreet boys, nsync (ewww)...tapos pumasok na ang mga acoustic, unplugged then nabuhay ulit ang mga banda...then pumasok ang "emo"...which for me is just punk rock with personal lyrics with matching high pitched, whinning vocals...its just evolution...but it's still rock...eto na kasi nagugustuhan ng mga kids...pero they should also know the roots...thats very important...ang ayoko lang eh yung mga taong naki ki emo ksi eto yung uso...tulad ng ibang mga banda jan [insert band name here] then nag dedeny sila sa huli na hindi raw sila ganun...what i don't like is that kids these days are getting more suicidal kasi na "uso" to at nalilink sa "emo" music...although yung kanta ni ozzy osbourne na "suicide solution" dati may nagpakamatay dahil dun...well...they should blame the parents and not the music... :wink: to sum it up...if you don't like it, then don't listen to it..."emo" music is ok for me...the hair, goth make-up, tight baston pants, and especially the attitude (im not speaking in general)...it's so gay :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: carefulwiththataxeeugene on January 26, 2008, 11:31:22 AM
i guess it's the gauge that says matanda na talaga tayo...when we were these kids age our folks(kahit mga rakista pa sila) would say "ano ba yang pinakikinggan mo ang sakit sa tenga?!"(and that was just metallica) and ngayon...i would say to my younger cousins..."ano ba yang pinakikinggan mo ang sakit sa tenga?!"...
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: vulcanraven on January 26, 2008, 12:27:50 PM
And what would the kids say about us ( Circa '80-'90 Heavy Metal )
" Dad is that you? with the Skinny jeans, adik-thin arms and curly long hair? Kadiri!!!!!!!!"
Its just evolution. Period. We can say all we want, pero we just might be "not-catching up".
Pero yung nag to-torrid kissing na EMO boys( from page 5-7 I guess )? Kung me anak ako na lalake at mag -e-emo lang to do this? Ill introduce him to worshipping satan instead and listen to Acheron, Danzig, Cradle o Filth and stuff. Pwede nga mag adik na lang sya, baka ma tap pa nya creative sub-concious nya.
And yes. Circa ano ba ang maraming rants dito?
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: edalbkrad on January 26, 2008, 12:38:28 PM
there's one thing i dont like about emo... there are no screaming guitar solos!!!
you cant use whammy, tremolo, or harmonics coz it will sound like rock
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: the_Nong on January 26, 2008, 01:04:11 PM
personally, Emo is normal for young people, specifically the adolescence period of a person. i think everyone passed through that stage, where they say "no one understands me..", "she doesn't love me anymore, i can't take the pain.." or in short, sometimes called "Identity Crisis". or now in modern times, is more on deep depression, anxiety, loneliness, and sorrow.. which most of the musicians put into words and music thus the birth of Emo (emotional) music. it sounds like a little punk rock & a mix of 80's new wave, so is the fashion, with the one-sided hair reminds me of the band 'A Flock of Seagulls', with those make-up and tight jeans like the Tears for Fears (with the 'hurting' album is kinda emo too, di lang halata kasi 1983 pa eh.. hehehe), the Cure & many more! obvious ba na 38years old nako? hehehehe..
some say Emo Music will fade like what happend to grunge, but hey, who knows? basta ung mga emo bands dyan, admit na emo band kayo. it's perfectly ok.. :wink:
eto nalang, watch MYXposed on MYX, we just edited an episode on "EMO", the music, fashion, people what have you!? we had interviews from Francis Reyes, Zach, Typcast, Mong of Sandwich and more! so watch out for it!
RAKENROL!!!
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on January 26, 2008, 01:16:15 PM
^^^ nice view. but i would have to disagree about its inception. yes it has a lot of punk rock influence. but i dunno where the new wave influence sets in tho
http://myspace.com/indiansummersongs
doesnt sound like new wave to me. and about the fashion...
if there were such a thing as an emo kid, he would look like this:
(http://www.freewebs.com/youdontknowemo/la_quiete_show.jpg) La quiete
some say Emo Music will fade like what happend to grunge, but hey, who knows?
emo will die.
i have no doubt of that.
rap metal suffered the same fate...and so many other genres.
blues, rock, hard rock, and metal? they endure.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: trewzd on January 26, 2008, 01:57:38 PM
emo music is ok but emo style sucks and their behavior is insane
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: sidlead66 on January 26, 2008, 02:14:33 PM
Emo is Love iMHo...
I play Metalcore (Screamo) and loving it.,.
and yet i play my instrumental music and play with my Fusion Geek Friends!! haha (haha... hahaha.... Mervs)...
tasting the icing is like savoring the whole cake... try nyo tumugtog ng Dashboard na iyun talaga... sobrang Hirap nun kaya?
Di ba EMO yung song na " Bakit BA?? " kasi lyrics is whiny?
Di ba si <Popular Diva> naiyak na sa stage habang kumakanta?
Di ba Pantera naka Makeup dati at NAG SSCREAM???
Di ba considered na nagwawala si Jimi Hendrix nung nasa Stage siya (Pyro stuff)...???
Now is that so EMO or what??
Ang hirap din kasi sa Emo kaya ayaw ng iba kasi mas pogi mga Emo bands ngayon kesa sa kanila (including me!! HAHA).. at madaming chix... just dont discriminate... youll never know kung anung uring musician sila...
Ang korni is yung Poseur at mga EMO Fashionistas... na walang alam kung di kantahin ang guardian Angel... hehehe... pero!!! Maganda nga ang song na Guardian Angel
Ex. Look at SHANE GIBSON... guitarist ni Jonathan Davis (Korn) sa solo project nya... pag napanood mo mag Solo music Halimaw pala...
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: nealyu on January 26, 2008, 02:33:51 PM
I don't like EMO. period hahaha. Nasa generation ako ng ng mga EMO kids ngayon pero nakakairritate mga EMO para sakin kasi yung mga suot nila, "feel nila" , etc. haha. Mastrip ko parin blues, rock, metal, jazz etc hehehehe. :lol:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: doksplata on January 26, 2008, 03:36:05 PM
hardcore punk hindi emo
emo is a feeling..state of mind..
mostly of hale's songs are emo neyo's so sick is emo...
deep emotional feeling na naguurge sayo gumawa ng malungkot na kanta...
hardcore punk po yun...
peace
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: fretburner on January 26, 2008, 03:48:26 PM
ahh, some say kasi it all started with the fashion. if some will say its the context, eh noon pa daw may emo. dami raw kasi mga 'emotional fullness' and mga context ng mga old songs..
maybe kaya nadiin at napunta sa kasikatan ng 'emo' is because on how the emotional delivery of the song by the artists at the same time the looks that the performer has.. so parang 1+1=2.
that's what i heard. bottom line, emo is still music, music is still the universal language..
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: doksplata on January 26, 2008, 04:50:38 PM
that scream and whining is what you call style... and most bands na emo eh hardcore punk ang genre kaya nagegeneralize lahat...
most of the songs ng hale eh melancholic,meaning emotional = EMO
EMO - Full of emotion....
it is in the context not in the looks
nilagyan lang ng style kaya napansin ng mga tao...
parang ganito...tawag natin sa pangit manamit dati baduy
ngayon jologs na..
kung sasabihin nating "jologs manamit si elvis(example lang)nung panahon nya"
eh parehas din ng "baduy manamit si elvis ng panahon nya.."
bagong term lang yung emo..pero dati nang meron nyan...
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: chromeknive on January 26, 2008, 05:46:31 PM
NO.
sentimental lyrics does not mean the song or artist is EMO. pyrotechnics? NO. makeup? NO. i think you are VERY off on this, sidelead. VERY OFF. pantera? haha, dude naman! :-P
EMO is the sum of the lyrics, delivery, look and community (which is usually limited to a specific age group).
yes, there were early EMO bands but Elvis was not EMO. The Beatles or Led Zep were not EMO. Don't deface the greats. Please. :lol:
EMO is not a term or adjective although people use it as such. I guess its a noun that specifically refers to THAT group of fans and artists wether they deny it or not, with the membership to THAT group being very debatable and blurry and easily deniable. hahah.
Guitar-wise, may magagaling talaga. But as songwriters, I mean, COME ON......an entire album of mopey songs?? It gets old and boring.
I'm not dissing EMO. (But I did diss the saktong copycats of EMO here in the Philippines...)
But I do wish EMO dies or evolves into a more intelligent genre.
Again, EMO is not just EMOTIONAL MUSIC.
Deftones can be EMOTIONAL. They influenced EMO in some ways. BUT THE DEFTONES ARE NOT EMO!!!
(wala naman nagsabi DITO na emo sila, but following the logic of the previous posts, ANYONE CAN BE CALLED EMO...and that is ONE BIG FALLACY)
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: doksplata on January 26, 2008, 05:54:40 PM
so EMO.... :lol:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: mikeiow on January 26, 2008, 07:10:35 PM
sentimental lyrics does not mean the song or artist is EMO. pyrotechnics? NO. makeup? NO. i think you are VERY off on this, sidelead. VERY OFF. pantera? haha, dude naman! :-P
SIYETT!!! YOU GOT IT RIGHT THERE,MAN. If EMO is all about sentimental lyrics, whining and " I wanna die" stuff. Eh di si IMELDA PAPIN emo na nuon pa. At yung mga nagsisilabasan ngayon, kulugo na lang niya! :-D
EMO is the sum of the lyrics, delivery, look and community (which is usually limited to a specific age group).
yes, there were early EMO bands but Elvis was not EMO. The Beatles or Led Zep were not EMO. Pwede ba? Okay? haha...Kadire! Don't deface the greats. Please. :lol
...kung sino naman kasi nagsabi na basta may "whining" sa kanta EMO na. tsk!tsk!tsk! Yun and dapat mag slash ng throat wag na wrist.
EMO is not a term or adjective although people use it as such. I guess its a noun that specifically refers to THAT group of fans and artists wether they deny it or not, with the membership to THAT group being very debatable and blurry and easily deniable. hahah.
a.k.a POSERS. kung saan, meron at ano ang "IN" dun sila.
Guitar-wise, may magagaling talaga. But as songwriters, I mean, COME ON......an entire album of mopey songs?? It gets old and boring.
I'm not dissing EMO. (But I did diss the saktong copycats of EMO here in the Philippines...)
But I do wish EMO dies or evolves into a more intelligent genre.
I AGREE..and I hope that genre comes from the deep bowels of Philippine music, para nman may matawag na sa atin lang.
Again, EMO is not just EMOTIONAL MUSIC.
My Deftones can be EMOTIONAL. They influenced EMO in some ways. BUT THE DEFTONES ARE NOT EMO ZOMGWTF!!!
(wala naman nagsabi DITO na emo sila, but following the logic of the previous posts, ANYONE CAN BE CALLED EMO...and that is ONE BIG FALLACY)
methinks, some have completely missed the point of this thread. some of them may not be even a guitarist (see the title of this thread puhhhleeeeeeze)
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: edalbkrad on January 26, 2008, 09:13:37 PM
it seems that the emo hairstyle was derived from anime and cartoons: (http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/b/2/0/348/348206_1188676425_AnimeEmo.jpg)
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: nealyu on January 26, 2008, 09:50:58 PM
yung mga tao gusto maging anime look a like kaya ginaya yung mga buhok sa anime and emo hair was born wahaha
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: jaythegame on January 27, 2008, 03:24:53 AM
i can take EARLY emo music.. pero yung hairstyle talaga, hindi ko kaya, at kung bakit kailangan maging malungkot everywhere.. uso ba yun?
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: fretburner on January 27, 2008, 03:59:09 AM
emo is going to die in 2-3 years max. so enough of this bs.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: abyssinianson on January 27, 2008, 04:08:17 AM
if the guys (or girls) can play, that is cool with me - a good song is a good song regardless of how they look.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: blasphemous_grim on January 27, 2008, 04:49:27 AM
Emo + guy to guy torrid kissing = Girly men.. :-D :-D nyahhahahaha
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: noto.emo on January 27, 2008, 06:50:56 AM
emo sucks! mostly, new "bands" from hs/college are playing emo... and they have almost the same gears, same guitars so they sounds the same... kasi hiraman sila pag battle of the bands... its ok... but i prefer... improve skills before porma... peace! :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: markv on January 27, 2008, 10:52:07 AM
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Guitarists' view on Emo music
they're like backstreet boys trying to play modern rock!
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: posera!! on January 27, 2008, 11:02:15 AM
hmm ok din naman mga emo bands like bless the fall, eneter shikari, alesana,saosin, underoath etc.. pero di ka gagaling kung eto lang ang tugtugan mo.. hehe nauso lang talaga :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: rolexm on January 27, 2008, 11:13:10 AM
Emo isn't really a genre IMO. It's just a fad. Sprung out from punk, and post hardcore.. + the EMOtion = EMO.
However, for a fad, it's taking quite some time to fade. I guess society might be embracing that already.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: keida on January 27, 2008, 11:42:11 AM
emo, back in the day, was a joke term. though i spent a lot of my time listening to these 90's "emo" bands, alongside the hardcore and punk bands it co existed with.
sure it was standard fare for bands, especially all those pop punk/skatepunk variety to sing about teenage life, about girlfriends, falling in love and breaking up. it was all fun. it was easy to write about.
writing about sadness and failure is also quite easier. and these mid 90's bands took it as a release.
but the joke with being depressed and suicide and all that stuff was taken too far. now, sadly, what we all know as "emo" is a caricature of that joke. mix it up with fashionistas, a good pair of jeans, fashionable shirts, hair and guyliner... plus the fact that the word "emo" was quite a tagline that no one quite understood, and when some bands like jimmyeatworld, texas is the reason, promise ring, jawbox, saves the day, made it big, and started to get mainstream attention, the people in the business had to put a new tag or buzzword to help it sell. and all the negative aspects just stuck.
id rather call these bands nowadays as pop metal or just plain pop. bands like underoath, saosin, or whatever band you see gracing the cover of alternative press, have become the new face of pop. they're really good. some of them gawdawful with more cliches than you can shake a stick at.
and since it sells, people are riding the wave. now go check out aiden and the likes. tama yung nag sabi na backstreetboys, or sila yung bagong boybands nowadays.
but listening to the old "emo" bands taught me the value of dynamic songwriting. noisy lines to quiet interludes then building up to a huge sound was intrinsic in their music. very spartan guitarwork at times then some melodic riffing. lately the genre has cross-pollinated with uber tech metal riffage.
last week a band from australia named eucalypt played three dates here in the philippines. they have been on tour for more than a month with 2 equally amazing malaysian bands, justkneeta and kias fansuri. and their style just blew me away. reminiscent of bands from ebullition records and level plane. the type of emo that never really got popular with the masses. for a lack of a better term, emoviolence was what we called it back then. despite the [gooey brown stuff] gear,and just playing straight to the amps,they had a huge wall of sound. :-D i think i damaged my hearing after their sets.
now i wish more bands played in that style. i guess paengkee would approve of this, right? lol.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: IncX on January 27, 2008, 11:49:25 AM
now i wish more bands played in that style. i guess paengkee would approve of this, right? lol.
if we had money, we would have been there in manila to play with kias fansuri *lol*
so yeah, i think paeng would love that... although i think our vocalist is really the one who'd enjoy it the most.
im really not that familiar with "real emo" music, but im starting to like songs left and right.
and yeah, i agree with your views... emo is the new pop ... i dont change the channel when i see beyonce knowles singing her ballads but it took me 20 seconds of listening to my chemical romance before i changed the channel...
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: IncX on January 27, 2008, 11:58:17 AM
The Cure WILL never be emo.... They're one of the founders of Goth. Lame... I'm not referring to paengkee. I'm just so pissed that they compare that fag genre to goth. or if not compare, dare to include the name of the band who founded goth.
i dont even think the cure are goth... sure they had goth songs and a goth album "disintegration" and maybe you can consider "blood flowers" goth too (its a great album which reminds me - i should put that on now!)... however they sure are one of the mainstream bands that bought the goth sound out (again, because of select songs and albums)...
robert smith said he considers the cure as more of a "raincoat" band... in a sense that he writes sad lyrics and music while the drummer loves those punk rock "happy" beats.
i have to credit robert smith for making that "edward scissorhands" goth fashion though.
want more proof that cure isnt goth? "Friday I'm in Love," "Just Like Even," "Don't Say Yes," etc.
the cure being NOT GOTH is the reason why i love them more... i believe bands should never box themselves to certain genres... you'll end up painting yourself in a corner with that...
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: keida on January 27, 2008, 11:59:19 AM
if we had money, we would have been there in manila to play with kias fansuri *lol*
so yeah, i think paeng would love that... although i think our vocalist is really the one who'd enjoy it the most.
im really not that familiar with "real emo" music, but im starting to like songs left and right.
and yeah, i agree with your views... emo is the new pop ... i dont change the channel when i see beyonce knowles singing her ballads but it took me 20 seconds of listening to my chemical romance before i changed the channel...
ipon kayo, get your asses here! i guess we could organize some dates and a really great DIY venue for a touring band from davao. kias fansuri were awesome! we got to play on their last leg.
check out http://keida.multiply.com/photos for pix of their tour and an artspace that would be killer for DIY shows.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: doksplata on January 27, 2008, 02:21:21 PM
may nagsabi sakin "EMO certainly is not a genre,MTV labeled all the bands who had this melancholic lyrics, hard core guitar riffs, boys in tight jeans, lousy sneakers, black eyeliners, one sided haircuts and screaming voices just to be able to stereotype/typecast them."
Emo from the word 'emotion', can be found in the lyrics of all genres. So, to justify this, does that mean that all genres' ARE emo???
I dont think so.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: keida on January 27, 2008, 02:35:49 PM
may nagsabi sakin "EMO certainly is not a genre,MTV labeled all the bands who had this melancholic lyrics, hard core guitar riffs, boys in tight jeans, lousy sneakers, black eyeliners, one sided haircuts and screaming voices just to be able to stereotype/typecast them."
Emo from the word 'emotion', can be found in the lyrics of all genres. So, to justify this, does that mean that all genres' ARE emo???
I dont think so.
the age old arguement ever since lumabas ang word na yan sa underground ay "arent all forms of music emotional?"
kaya for most folks, emo is a four letter word. but nevertheless no one couldnt describe it properly until this phelomena of boys wearing tight jeans, eyeliners, sideways hair and whiny lyrics. which unfortunately has become a sad caricature (pun intended) of what it has become. :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: chromeknive on January 27, 2008, 02:45:30 PM
ayoko na! EMO na raw ako e!
boy abunda....(cueshe's number 1 fan...)
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: doksplata on January 27, 2008, 04:17:41 PM
uy napanood ko kayo sa tv ah...galing!!!!!clap clap!!!hehehe...apir!!!
tugtug ayo sa bday ni jc(vitalis) sa 29....
walang emo bands dun...hehehe...
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: vulcanraven on January 27, 2008, 06:01:52 PM
With all due respect sa starter ng Thread;
Question: Why is it that majority of the posts in this thread aims at the aesthetic side of the topic ( e.g. hair, thick black glasses, clothing, wrist scars ...) ?
A. Most Philmusic Guitarists are " more Style than Substance " B. Most Filipino Guitarists are " more Style than Substance " C. Majority of Guitarists today are "more Geared than Skilled" D. Majority of the replies are not from a Guitarist; only someone who wants to give His/Her opinion on the topic despite the Thread Title Limitation " Guitarist ". E. EMO fad is sooo repulsive everyone has the right pounce on the topic.
:-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: pr3ach2all on January 27, 2008, 07:28:44 PM
D. Majority of the replies are not from a Guitarist; only someone who wants to give His/Her opinion on the topic despite the Thread Title Limitation " Guitarist ".
oo nga naman... so ill make a reply about how the guitarists play and all that... most of the songs are made up of power chords and octaves....ofcourse there are a few that do play some technical stuff like saosin though it's shredding like what metalheads do... so i guess in a guitarist standpoint, emo in general is mediocre at best...pero i think what makes people attracted to them is the melody of they're songs and lyrics... nd besides, not all emo bands have whinny voices......i think... :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on January 27, 2008, 08:29:22 PM
well im a guitarist. and we play old school emo influenced music. well all i can say that its full of octave chords and arranged with loud soft dynamics in mind. lyrics are either spoken or screamed (not SUNG)
http://www.myspace.com/indiansummersongs <<i cant stress this bands existence enough.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: jaythegame on January 27, 2008, 11:03:31 PM
well im a guitarist. and we play old school emo influenced music. well all i can say that its full of octave chords and arranged with loud soft dynamics in mind. lyrics are either spoken or screamed (not SUNG)
http://www.myspace.com/indiansummersongs <<i cant stress this bands existence enough.
galing! first time ko narinig yung band, parang minor threat na mabagal lang..:-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: vulcanraven on January 28, 2008, 07:31:35 AM
Naglalapat din ba sila ng solos? How emotional mga solos nila if meron? Di ba parang frenzied ang shredding? Kung emotional dapat mala Melodic solos di ba? Sorry ha limited lang environment ko sa Music.Mostly Heavy , Dark Stuff lang eh.
Now the thread is starting to be educational ( mala-Discovery Channel ) hindi Toilety ( Eat Bulaga; no offense! ). :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: oloc on January 28, 2008, 10:07:27 AM
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AMBOT SA EMOOOOOOOO!!!!....
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: mikeiow on January 28, 2008, 01:16:32 PM
uy napanood ko kayo sa tv ah...galing!!!!!clap clap!!!hehehe...apir!!!
tugtug ayo sa bday ni jc(vitalis) sa 29....
walang emo bands dun...hehehe...
haha...lapit na bday ni jc...pwede emo basta emo chicks... :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: the_Nong on January 30, 2008, 02:14:59 PM
check this out..
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Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: tagagapo on January 31, 2008, 07:55:45 AM
Okay lang me na panood ako EMO Coheed and Cambria ang lufet eh! Wag na genre genre basta who ever rock me, rock me, i don't care if it is Mariah Carey and crap my life my choice :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Lahed92801 on January 31, 2008, 08:17:28 AM
Okay lang me na panood ako EMO Coheed and Cambria ang lufet eh! Wag na genre genre basta who ever rock me, rock me, i don't care if it is Mariah Carey and crap my life my choice :-D
Coheed is progressive rock.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: tagagapo on January 31, 2008, 08:31:29 AM
Ahhh progressive rock pala yun, sabi kasi nong kaibigan ko EMO daw tas sabi nya nakikinig ka pala ng emo sabi ko emo ba un? un ba un emo? oo emo un sabi nya sabi ko ayus naman pala e hindi pala emo un progressive rock pala yun hehe
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Pretty Boy on January 31, 2008, 01:04:07 PM
mga bro..... may alam ako na puro power chords peru gusto ko lahat ng kanta nya at catchy na tunog at basic..... walang iba kundi NIRVANA..... hahahahahahha pero may solo din mga kanta nila di kagaya ng emo.......
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: rennaov on January 31, 2008, 06:14:45 PM
not a fan of emo guitar playing. if emo's supposed to convey 'sadness', i can find a lot of other guitar playing that can literally break me w/ the guitar alone (versus emo guitar playing + the rest of the emo band. but then again, music is personal...).
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on January 31, 2008, 06:16:25 PM
Ahhh progressive rock pala yun, sabi kasi nong kaibigan ko EMO daw tas sabi nya nakikinig ka pala ng emo sabi ko emo ba un? un ba un emo? oo emo un sabi nya sabi ko ayus naman pala e hindi pala emo un progressive rock pala yun hehe
Naglalapat din ba sila ng solos? How emotional mga solos nila if meron? Di ba parang frenzied ang shredding? Kung emotional dapat mala Melodic solos di ba? Sorry ha limited lang environment ko sa Music.Mostly Heavy , Dark Stuff lang eh.
Now the thread is starting to be educational ( mala-Discovery Channel ) hindi Toilety ( Eat Bulaga; no offense! ). :-D
listen to the band link i gave. that basically sums up what emo should sound like.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on January 31, 2008, 06:27:55 PM
no offense to those kids who think they're emo, but it really gets on my nerves whenever i see some kid that looks like this...
http://www.dtbmusic.com/gallery/emo%20kids.jpg
now, it's not that i'm getting @nal about the whole emo as a counterculture thing, but the whole emo thing started from hardcore punk in 1985 and is still a part of hardcore punk. i asked one of "those" kids about what they thought about it, they said, "pare, ang pagiging emo is emotional, emo music is music na may emotion!" and i was all, "wtf!? dude, there's no such thing as an emo culture, even if you trace it back to 1985 to 1994 and even as late as 1999 and 2003" and the only reaction i got was something like, "oo na, ang dami mo nang alam, yabang mo!" it's funny really, how insecure, image obsessed kids could latch on to a new trendy clutch so quickly. i mean, these kids don't even listen to real emo, all they listen to is stuff like Chiodos, Alesana, Dashboard Confessional, Typecast, Atreyu, Chicosci, Bring Me The Horizon, Drop Dead Gorgeous, Underoath, the Used and the likes. i dunno, it's not that i'm being elitist or something, but i'm just sick of how so many people pretend to know something they don't, and become so defensive if you try to share something you learned when you were in that position so long ago.
just in case people wanna know what emo is and have no idea of what it is prior to reading this post, lemme just give a short primer.
emo was a slightly derogatory term attached to the introspective approach of hardcore punk bands like Embrace and Rites of Spring who both came out in the Washington, DC scene in 1985. some 'zine referred to their introspectively expressive spin on hardcore as "emocore". ever since, the term sort of sideways stuck throughout emo's evolution.
here's a list of notable emo/screamo bands according to era/style.
Emocore(around 1985-1987 i think) basically hardcore punk with parched singing and desperate sounding vocal delivery. the music itself was characterized by certain use of octave chords.
examples:
Rites Of Spring Embrace Husker Du
Emo (probably around 1987-1994) the emo sound was built around the earlier emocore template that brought a more cathartic dimension to punk. this time, stripped down to pure unharnessed emotional delivery characterized by beautiful use of plucked buildups and cathartic, chaotic climaxes.
examples:
Indian Summer Plunger Julia Moss Icon Don Martin 3
Hardcore Emo (in the early 90s, i think) to paraphrase Andy Radin, hardcore emo is to emo as hardcore is to hardcore punk. characterized by fast, blurry tempos and usually harsh screamed vocals.
examples:
Heroin Angel Hair Antioch Arrow early Portraits of Past Honeywell
Emo Violence a joke term coined by a band called In/Humanity, probably first played by people who listened to powerviolence alongside either emo or hardcore emo.
examples:
Jenny Piccolo In/Humanity Palatka Usurp Synapse
Screamo this is debatable, but in my opinion, screamo itself is a blend of all the previous styles of emo, implementing traits from other genres of music such as indie-rock, post-rock, and to an extent, harsher types of music such as grindcore. it has become sort of a catchall for modern emo. it has reached worldwide popularity in different parts of the world particuarly in America and Europe. screamo bands from across the world usually have regional sounds associated with them.
examples of american screamo bands:
Saetia Welcome The Plague Year Neil Perry You And I Funeral Diner Joshua Fit For Battle Hassan I Sabbah Cease Upon The Capitol Yaphet Kotto
examples of italian screamo bands:
La Quiete Raein the Death Of Anna Karina
examples of french screamo bands:
Mihai Edrisch Daitro Gantz Sed Non Satiata
examples of german screamo bands:
June Paik Tristan Tzara Louise Cyphre Einermusstot
examples of scandanavian screamo bands:
Angora Static Amalthea Shikari Marat the Manhattan Skyline Kaospilot
examples of malaysian screamo bands:
Kias Fansuri Orbitcinta Benjamin Killeur Calculateur Daghlia
examples of japanese screamo bands:
Envy Nervous Light Of Sunday Nitro Mega Prayer Dipleg
examples of philippine screamo:
Caitlyn Bailey Capulette Tigers Are Out, Bears Are In Iola Morton Means To No End
common characteristics in modern emo and screamo in the 00's, more screamo bands took advantage of the buildup and cathartic climax element of emo and blended them with post-rock, bands like City Of ------ and Envy being perfect examples of this type of emo. another common type of screamo band is the more progressive type of emo characterized by complex structures and time changes, such as Circle Takes the Square. regional traits aside, it's also noted that Canadian bands from the 90s such as Union Of Uranus and One Eyed God Prophecy soundwise did a lot to influence screamo bands such as Orchid, Reversal Of Man, and the like. it's influence can still be seen in bands as recent as the Apoplexy Twist Orchestra or the Flying Worker.
------------------------------------ a little FAQ section ------------------------------------
Q: are Dashboard Confessional or My Chemical Romance emo? A: no they are not, read the rest of the crap i posted, and you'll clearly see why
Q: but they are emotional Sad A: so was my grandfater, but he isn't emo by a longshot.
Q: if they aren't emo, what are they then? A: there are 134983721948 non-emo genres out there, figure that out yourself, sherlock. that's none of my concern.
Q: what do real emo kids dress like? A: there's no such thing as an emo kid, the only emo kids are effects of gross mislabelling of bands via mainstream channels such as Spin Magazine and MTV.
Q: am i emo? A: you are not.
Q: are you emo? A: i wouldn't be caught dead in skinny jeans and scene hair, that's just dumb in my opinion.
Q: what are emo lyrics like? A: contrary to popular belief, emo lyrics aren't usually about love or being misunderstood by the cool kids in school, rather, emo lyrics tend to be rather political, such with the case of bands like Ampere and Reversal Of Man.
Q: is there such a thing as emo-goth music? A: there is no such thing, although Antioch Arrow actually did bring a little touch of goth aesthetic and goth musical flair to hardcore emo. but that's an isolated case, i guess.
Q: is there such a thing as emo-punk? A: nope, punk rock came before hardcore punk, hardcore punk is a direct descendant of punk. emo is a direct descendant of hardcore punk, so it's impossible to label anything as emo-punk given that it's a generation apart in terms of chronological order. anything that has to do with real emo in terms of music is punk, but not everything that's punk has anything to do with emo.
------------------------------------ note: the best way to understand emo is to actually give the bands a listen, so if anyone's remotely interested in learning what emo sounds like, it's best to open www.myspace.com and use the search music function with this guide or a site like fourfa.com or youdontknowemo.tk as reference. ------------------------------------
(written by my bandmate.)
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: pr3ach2all on January 31, 2008, 06:52:02 PM
Ahhh progressive rock pala yun, sabi kasi nong kaibigan ko EMO daw tas sabi nya nakikinig ka pala ng emo sabi ko emo ba un? un ba un emo? oo emo un sabi nya sabi ko ayus naman pala e hindi pala emo un progressive rock pala yun hehe
Pag sinabing punk ang Jamiroquai? I don't mean anything by that pero pare, I dunno where any part of Coheed's sound is emo. Listen pa lang to "The Final Cut" or "Welcome Home" rinig na rinig na ang prog elements ng music nila.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Lahed92801 on January 31, 2008, 07:24:40 PM
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: chromeknive on January 31, 2008, 07:27:22 PM
One of my favorite songs of all time. I believe its technically under "emocore".
I dont think these debates will end 'til the whole emo thing isn't cool anymore. The sooner the better. I was in agony in a jeepney when a girl with socks-on-the-arms-avril-style singing along annoyingly to typecast's the boston drama sat right in front of me. (the tondo drama...pwedeng pangalan ng post-emo band...machismo band...think viking metal but with pinoy sigas rocking out)
My main gripe with this whole emo thing is, it really brought out the crab mentality and narrowmindedness of Filipinos. Like I keep saying, LAHAT talaga gaya lang. The music, the vocal stylings, the LYRICS, the look. Anyone notice how a certain local guy SOUNDS EXACTLY LIKE the dashboard confessional guy? So MCR came out with this morbid fixation for death...THEN COMES A FORMERLY RAPMETAL/HARDCORE BAND THAT SUDDENLY GETS TIGHT PANTS-D AND BLOODSUCKY? What the hell?!
And, to get me back on topic, all the emo guitar playing here sounds like Thursday. I'm sorry but it does. Yeah, they do chug and have nice tones, but all the riffs sound like Thursday riffs to me. Local emo gets a -100 in originality.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: keida on January 31, 2008, 11:15:23 PM
no offense to those kids who think they're emo, but it really gets on my nerves whenever i see some kid that looks like this...
http://www.dtbmusic.com/gallery/emo%20kids.jpg
now, it's not that i'm getting @nal about the whole emo as a counterculture thing, but the whole emo thing started from hardcore punk in 1985 and is still a part of hardcore punk. i asked one of "those" kids about what they thought about it, they said, "pare, ang pagiging emo is emotional, emo music is music na may emotion!" and i was all, "wtf!? dude, there's no such thing as an emo culture, even if you trace it back to 1985 to 1994 and even as late as 1999 and 2003" and the only reaction i got was something like, "oo na, ang dami mo nang alam, yabang mo!" it's funny really, how insecure, image obsessed kids could latch on to a new trendy clutch so quickly. i mean, these kids don't even listen to real emo, all they listen to is stuff like Chiodos, Alesana, Dashboard Confessional, Typecast, Atreyu, Chicosci, Bring Me The Horizon, Drop Dead Gorgeous, Underoath, the Used and the likes. i dunno, it's not that i'm being elitist or something, but i'm just sick of how so many people pretend to know something they don't, and become so defensive if you try to share something you learned when you were in that position so long ago.
just in case people wanna know what emo is and have no idea of what it is prior to reading this post, lemme just give a short primer.
emo was a slightly derogatory term attached to the introspective approach of hardcore punk bands like Embrace and Rites of Spring who both came out in the Washington, DC scene in 1985. some 'zine referred to their introspectively expressive spin on hardcore as "emocore". ever since, the term sort of sideways stuck throughout emo's evolution.
here's a list of notable emo/screamo bands according to era/style.
Emocore(around 1985-1987 i think) basically hardcore punk with parched singing and desperate sounding vocal delivery. the music itself was characterized by certain use of octave chords.
examples:
Rites Of Spring Embrace Husker Du
Emo (probably around 1987-1994) the emo sound was built around the earlier emocore template that brought a more cathartic dimension to punk. this time, stripped down to pure unharnessed emotional delivery characterized by beautiful use of plucked buildups and cathartic, chaotic climaxes.
examples:
Indian Summer Plunger Julia Moss Icon Don Martin 3
Hardcore Emo (in the early 90s, i think) to paraphrase Andy Radin, hardcore emo is to emo as hardcore is to hardcore punk. characterized by fast, blurry tempos and usually harsh screamed vocals.
examples:
Heroin Angel Hair Antioch Arrow early Portraits of Past Honeywell
Emo Violence a joke term coined by a band called In/Humanity, probably first played by people who listened to powerviolence alongside either emo or hardcore emo.
examples:
Jenny Piccolo In/Humanity Palatka Usurp Synapse
Screamo this is debatable, but in my opinion, screamo itself is a blend of all the previous styles of emo, implementing traits from other genres of music such as indie-rock, post-rock, and to an extent, harsher types of music such as grindcore. it has become sort of a catchall for modern emo. it has reached worldwide popularity in different parts of the world particuarly in America and Europe. screamo bands from across the world usually have regional sounds associated with them.
examples of american screamo bands:
Saetia Welcome The Plague Year Neil Perry You And I Funeral Diner Joshua Fit For Battle Hassan I Sabbah Cease Upon The Capitol Yaphet Kotto
examples of italian screamo bands:
La Quiete Raein the Death Of Anna Karina
examples of french screamo bands:
Mihai Edrisch Daitro Gantz Sed Non Satiata
examples of german screamo bands:
June Paik Tristan Tzara Louise Cyphre Einermusstot
examples of scandanavian screamo bands:
Angora Static Amalthea Shikari Marat the Manhattan Skyline Kaospilot
examples of malaysian screamo bands:
Kias Fansuri Orbitcinta Benjamin Killeur Calculateur Daghlia
examples of japanese screamo bands:
Envy Nervous Light Of Sunday Nitro Mega Prayer Dipleg
examples of philippine screamo:
Caitlyn Bailey Capulette Tigers Are Out, Bears Are In Iola Morton Means To No End
common characteristics in modern emo and screamo in the 00's, more screamo bands took advantage of the buildup and cathartic climax element of emo and blended them with post-rock, bands like City Of ------ and Envy being perfect examples of this type of emo. another common type of screamo band is the more progressive type of emo characterized by complex structures and time changes, such as Circle Takes the Square. regional traits aside, it's also noted that Canadian bands from the 90s such as Union Of Uranus and One Eyed God Prophecy soundwise did a lot to influence screamo bands such as Orchid, Reversal Of Man, and the like. it's influence can still be seen in bands as recent as the Apoplexy Twist Orchestra or the Flying Worker.
------------------------------------ a little FAQ section ------------------------------------
Q: are Dashboard Confessional or My Chemical Romance emo? A: no they are not, read the rest of the crap i posted, and you'll clearly see why
Q: but they are emotional Sad A: so was my grandfater, but he isn't emo by a longshot.
Q: if they aren't emo, what are they then? A: there are 134983721948 non-emo genres out there, figure that out yourself, sherlock. that's none of my concern.
Q: what do real emo kids dress like? A: there's no such thing as an emo kid, the only emo kids are effects of gross mislabelling of bands via mainstream channels such as Spin Magazine and MTV.
Q: am i emo? A: you are not.
Q: are you emo? A: i wouldn't be caught dead in skinny jeans and scene hair, that's just dumb in my opinion.
Q: what are emo lyrics like? A: contrary to popular belief, emo lyrics aren't usually about love or being misunderstood by the cool kids in school, rather, emo lyrics tend to be rather political, such with the case of bands like Ampere and Reversal Of Man.
Q: is there such a thing as emo-goth music? A: there is no such thing, although Antioch Arrow actually did bring a little touch of goth aesthetic and goth musical flair to hardcore emo. but that's an isolated case, i guess.
Q: is there such a thing as emo-punk? A: nope, punk rock came before hardcore punk, hardcore punk is a direct descendant of punk. emo is a direct descendant of hardcore punk, so it's impossible to label anything as emo-punk given that it's a generation apart in terms of chronological order. anything that has to do with real emo in terms of music is punk, but not everything that's punk has anything to do with emo.
------------------------------------ note: the best way to understand emo is to actually give the bands a listen, so if anyone's remotely interested in learning what emo sounds like, it's best to open www.myspace.com and use the search music function with this guide or a site like fourfa.com or youdontknowemo.tk as reference. ------------------------------------
(written by my bandmate.)
well there you go.
now anyone remember san pablo city's on a day like today? and the time when SPC unwillingly became the philippine's emo capital :lol: that was waaaayyyy back in the 90's
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Ground Zero on February 01, 2008, 04:12:11 AM
So like Kris Aquino also... Oh my gosh, Josh!!! :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: chromeknive on February 01, 2008, 09:55:57 AM
Oist, Battle Gear. :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: markv on February 01, 2008, 04:46:04 PM
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Guitarists' view on Emo music
they are now the model ad for d'addario on guitar magazines :(
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: noy69 on February 01, 2008, 08:48:34 PM
Ok naman ang Emo eh kayalang kung beginner na guitarist ka tapos ito musical influence mo parang hindi mag de develop ang mga skills mo as a guitarist unlike nung dati panahon ng 80's era mga glam rock, metal , halos lahat sila technical parang pag napanuod mo sila wow gusto ko maging gitarista , ..... :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: rainierito on February 01, 2008, 09:55:13 PM
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Guitarists' view on Emo music
at least they get more girls than just sitting infront of the pc whinning about thier music and style.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on February 01, 2008, 10:24:58 PM
why is it that everyone thinks emo music is about whining? weird. :roll:
Id justify ALL music in the world as emotional, screw those who kill themselves because of what they listen to.
I listen to EMO music, i even play some of it.
Almost everyone sounds so condescending to EMO musicians. Respect them. We make music because we ALL have emotions.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: chromeknive on February 01, 2008, 10:37:59 PM
IMO, having emotions is different from being over-the-top emo.
also, i believe respect is earned. that being said, may respeto naman e. its just that too much of something is never a good thing.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: the_Nong on February 02, 2008, 06:09:15 AM
guys, i grew up in the 70's, my height was the 80's, started being in the band in the 90's and again now..
we just have to accept the "sign of the times". what EMO is today is like our "NEW WAVE", "HARCORE" or "PUNK ROCK" way back in our time. only: IT HAS THE TWIST OF THE MODERN TIMES..
-parang noon uso bell bottoms/flare pants, pero high waisted noon, low wasted ngayon. so goes for skinny jeans, noon nga lang we call it strech jeans and high waisted din. uso din one sided noon like ngyaon, even eyleliners etc. retro shoes are back, except may halong pagka-modern na.. i hope you guys get it.. sayang miss ko na ang Bla-Bla na shoes, crayon, dayfull, bigman and Creepers ng Glenmore!! heheheh...
emo as based on the "emotional" content during the 80's: "the hurting" album of Tears for Fears with songs of "mad world" & "pale shelter", take note of the outfit sa mga videos!! hhehehehe.. "somebody" of depeche mode. "the smiths" "lotus eaters" "flock of segulls" "china crisis" "talk talk" i can go on & on. kung nauso lang ang "emo" term noon, un na ang ginamit.
still, many people at that time de-hin gets ang new wave, pero some do. parang ganun lang ang emo ngayon. let's just take it as it is.. it is till music so why not accept it? we don't have to embrace it, it's just part of our musical history.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: the_Nong on February 02, 2008, 12:05:03 PM
Friends:
Since the last episode of MYXPOSED about EMO, many requested to do more about it. sino pwede sa inyo ma-interview? to shed light on the REAL essence of EMO. sana mge EMO peeps talaga... para makita ng tao kung ano talaga ang emo: lifestyle, music, fashion etc..
pm me or text 09178258362.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: juwanfidle09 on February 03, 2008, 12:32:02 AM
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: moying_only on February 05, 2008, 04:24:50 PM
nd k emo kung wala k laslas s pulso.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: xid02 on February 05, 2008, 06:06:05 PM
IMO, ok the music is good, the fashion statement? forget it, bakit mo naman kailangan pa mag bihis ng ganun? para lang ma-notice na EMO ka na depressed ka, look for a psychologist hehe, maganda mabibigay na apayo sa iyo nun, kung depressed ka it is not the right time to listen in this kind of music kasi lalo k lng magiging depresssed ma-stock ka depression mo... dun nlng titigil ang mundo mo..
back to the topic, marami EMO guitarist ang magagaling, thursday the used finch yan ung mga alam ko indi na din kasi ako nakikinig nayon nyan... nagiging complicated ung music kasi to dahil sa mga tao na POSER.. heheh
peace tayo
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: nuno on February 06, 2008, 04:55:51 AM
ayoko lng sa emo minsan eh puros porma nlng and the voice!!! THE VOICEEEEEEEE!!! parang ipis na natapakan...i guess it only goes to show na hindi ko talaga gusto ang emo,screamo or whatever that is...pero i respect the genre...music padin naman yun...but you won't catch me listening to it. :-D
Peace tayo mga emo lovers
+1 :-D well some emo songs are good though specially pang harana but the problem is their way of expressing music their like cheap copy of every genre, like the mowhawk na ginaya sa metal, talagang nakakainis sabi nga ibang forums ng ibang website their like cheap wanna be copies of goths, plus they act like FOOLS!
sa sobrang inis ko nga sa ugali nila I composed a song but the thing is na band ako sa ibang forums kaya hinde ko nalang siya ipopost dito :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: the_Nong on February 06, 2008, 08:19:22 AM
hehehe, i can see history repeating itself..
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Ground Zero on February 06, 2008, 06:42:04 PM
Napaka EMO naman ng discussions nyo... :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: HellZBellZ on February 06, 2008, 10:51:03 PM
AMBOT SA EMO!!!! daming nag sulpot na mga kagaguhan na genra! baka sunod may emo-thrash , emo-death or emo-black nyetardz!!!
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: chromeknive on February 06, 2008, 11:02:27 PM
@hellbellz - "genre".
@ground zero - "battle gear".
:-) peace!
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: fretburner on February 06, 2008, 11:41:04 PM
when one cannot discuss emo and NOT discuss fashion, that is very indicative that the music SUCKS ASS.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: markv on February 06, 2008, 11:59:05 PM
EMO: why are you guys randomly picking us most of the time?
ROCKER: because it felt good
METALHEAD: because it felt good
JAZZER: because it felt good
EMO: ........... :( (slashed his throat)
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Mute on February 07, 2008, 09:44:15 AM
EMO: why are you guys randomly picking us most of the time?
ROCKER: because it felt good
METALHEAD: because it felt good
JAZZER: because it felt good
EMO: ........... :( (slashed his throat)
Hahaha in the olden days Emo wasnt like this dati parang astig eh, they kept screaming and the hair wasnt like bangs-y.the hairstyle with the current emo bands is new wave and i think it started with tom delonge coz he was a big new wave fan,well i guess the kinds thought it was punk coz blink 182 was punk.oh well.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: franz3 on February 07, 2008, 10:28:11 AM
:mrgreen: IMO, emo is hardcore, emo is music pero the way they dress and the attitude, duh. The thing I don't like about emo is puro porma lang yung iba at yung vocals, grabe parang iiyak na iniipit amp. Emo means emotion, pero hindi lang naman sorrowful and depression ang emotion dba? and besides, the essence of playing any music is HAVING FUN and not BEING DEPRESSED. Ok lang pa minsan minsan ang emo songs kasi it's a way of expressing how sad they are but not to the point na maglalaslas sila ng wrist, throat, blah blah...subukan kaya nila maglaslas ng throat? baka di na sila maka kanta nyan,haha, I like the music of some emo bands I just can't stand the VOICE.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on February 07, 2008, 11:04:14 AM
Since the last episode of MYXPOSED about EMO, many requested to do more about it. sino pwede sa inyo ma-interview? to shed light on the REAL essence of EMO. sana mge EMO peeps talaga... para makita ng tao kung ano talaga ang emo: lifestyle, music, fashion etc..
pm me or text 09178258362.
are you affiliated with angel? hehe she asked me the same questions too. :P if you read the post i made sa previous page, you would need no further explanation.
as for us purists? were tired of being preachy. some people just dont packing get it.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on February 07, 2008, 11:05:39 AM
One of my favorite songs of all time. I believe its technically under "emocore".
I dont think these debates will end 'til the whole emo thing isn't cool anymore. The sooner the better. I was in agony in a jeepney when a girl with socks-on-the-arms-avril-style singing along annoyingly to typecast's the boston drama sat right in front of me. (the tondo drama...pwedeng pangalan ng post-emo band...machismo band...think viking metal but with pinoy sigas rocking out)
My main gripe with this whole emo thing is, it really brought out the crab mentality and narrowmindedness of Filipinos. Like I keep saying, LAHAT talaga gaya lang. The music, the vocal stylings, the LYRICS, the look. Anyone notice how a certain local guy SOUNDS EXACTLY LIKE the dashboard confessional guy? So MCR came out with this morbid fixation for death...THEN COMES A FORMERLY RAPMETAL/HARDCORE BAND THAT SUDDENLY GETS TIGHT PANTS-D AND BLOODSUCKY? What the hell?!
And, to get me back on topic, all the emo guitar playing here sounds like Thursday. I'm sorry but it does. Yeah, they do chug and have nice tones, but all the riffs sound like Thursday riffs to me. Local emo gets a -100 in originality.
hopesfall is post hardcore.
this is emo
http://myspace.com/cityofcaterpillar
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on February 07, 2008, 11:22:58 AM
emo, back in the day, was a joke term. though i spent a lot of my time listening to these 90's "emo" bands, alongside the hardcore and punk bands it co existed with.
sure it was standard fare for bands, especially all those pop punk/skatepunk variety to sing about teenage life, about girlfriends, falling in love and breaking up. it was all fun. it was easy to write about.
writing about sadness and failure is also quite easier. and these mid 90's bands took it as a release.
but the joke with being depressed and suicide and all that stuff was taken too far. now, sadly, what we all know as "emo" is a caricature of that joke. mix it up with fashionistas, a good pair of jeans, fashionable shirts, hair and guyliner... plus the fact that the word "emo" was quite a tagline that no one quite understood, and when some bands like jimmyeatworld, texas is the reason, promise ring, jawbox, saves the day, made it big, and started to get mainstream attention, the people in the business had to put a new tag or buzzword to help it sell. and all the negative aspects just stuck.
id rather call these bands nowadays as pop metal or just plain pop. bands like underoath, saosin, or whatever band you see gracing the cover of alternative press, have become the new face of pop. they're really good. some of them gawdawful with more cliches than you can shake a stick at.
and since it sells, people are riding the wave. now go check out aiden and the likes. tama yung nag sabi na backstreetboys, or sila yung bagong boybands nowadays.
but listening to the old "emo" bands taught me the value of dynamic songwriting. noisy lines to quiet interludes then building up to a huge sound was intrinsic in their music. very spartan guitarwork at times then some melodic riffing. lately the genre has cross-pollinated with uber tech metal riffage.
last week a band from australia named eucalypt played three dates here in the philippines. they have been on tour for more than a month with 2 equally amazing malaysian bands, justkneeta and kias fansuri. and their style just blew me away. reminiscent of bands from ebullition records and level plane. the type of emo that never really got popular with the masses. for a lack of a better term, emoviolence was what we called it back then. despite the [gooey brown stuff] gear,and just playing straight to the amps,they had a huge wall of sound. :-D i think i damaged my hearing after their sets.
now i wish more bands played in that style. i guess paengkee would approve of this, right? lol.
i do. the sad thing is, the people here seem to post something derogatory before reading anything we've posted.
keida: youre right about the thing about the amps. thats why i got myself an mi audio crunchbox because its said to be a jcm800 in a box. and it delivers. i get the "wall of sound" and i can adjust the volume knob on my guitar to go clean haha.
WARNING. GEAR TALK.
since were talking about guitarists lets talk about guitar gear
the real "emo" amp is the JCM800. most emo bands from the late 80's and early 90s loved the jcm for its biting tone and crunch. gibson sgs were the axe of choice back then but ive talked with bands abiding by their telecasters and strats. oddly, only a few use les pauls. emo has a lot of clean parts and recently, reverb and delay add to the effect. the japanese band ENVY and michigan band MEN AS TREES use delay/reverb a lot.
http://myspace.com/indiansummersongs
my ideal jcm tone. thats a jcm800 50w and a gibson firebrand walnut sg.
there arent really that much "chops" based emo bands back then. the most technical i know was saetia/hotcross (two diff bands but they practically have members from each other). nowadays we have circle takes the square (http://myspace.com/circletakesthesquare)
emo (the real one) has got to be one of the most dynamic genres i know. going from super fast drumming and screaming to slow, droning plucked parts that let your ears relax after the onslaught of roaring twin jcm800s panned to boths sides of your headphones. 90s emo bands are great lyricists too. and no they arent cheezy.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on February 07, 2008, 11:24:13 AM
Sarap gulpihin yung mga bands na may whiny vocals. Haha!
do so in the pit. not in this thread. trust me. i do that whenever i can and feels so damn good. the longer the bangs the harder the hits. :P
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: omat17 on February 07, 2008, 11:49:33 AM
Sorry kung ioofend ko ang kahit sino... Emo music if fine, it's the posers that suck.. [ice cream], lahat nalang tinatawag emo, post hardcore is different from emo.. [apple], okei na nga yung fasion nila, nasisira lang ng attitude nila, [apple], mga itsura, siryoso pa kungwari, sarap banatan...
Sensya na po, talgang sensitibo lang ako sa mga emo na to..
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: omat17 on February 07, 2008, 11:57:45 AM
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My main gripe with this whole emo thing is, it really brought out the crab mentality and narrowmindedness of Filipinos. Like I keep saying, LAHAT talaga gaya lang. The music, the vocal stylings, the LYRICS, the look. Anyone notice how a certain local guy SOUNDS EXACTLY LIKE the dashboard confessional guy? So MCR came out with this morbid fixation for death...THEN COMES A FORMERLY RAPMETAL/HARDCORE BAND THAT SUDDENLY GETS TIGHT PANTS-D AND BLOODSUCKY? What the hell?!
And, to get me back on topic, all the emo guitar playing here sounds like Thursday. I'm sorry but it does. Yeah, they do chug and have nice tones, but all the riffs sound like Thursday riffs to me. Local emo gets a -100 in originality.
Boom!!! Haha!!!! Tira Typecast at Chicosci, tama kaya???
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on February 07, 2008, 01:09:45 PM
My main gripe with this whole emo thing is, it really brought out the crab mentality and narrowmindedness of Filipinos. Like I keep saying, LAHAT talaga gaya lang. The music, the vocal stylings, the LYRICS, the look. Anyone notice how a certain local guy SOUNDS EXACTLY LIKE the dashboard confessional guy? So MCR came out with this morbid fixation for death...THEN COMES A FORMERLY RAPMETAL/HARDCORE BAND THAT SUDDENLY GETS TIGHT PANTS-D AND BLOODSUCKY? What the hell?!
And, to get me back on topic, all the emo guitar playing here sounds like Thursday. I'm sorry but it does. Yeah, they do chug and have nice tones, but all the riffs sound like Thursday riffs to me. (http://Local emo gets a -100 in originality.)
local emo? have you heard tigers are out bears are in? what about iola morton? or means to no end? or capulette? or caitlyn bailey?
as per facts, those bands you referred to are not emo bands.
yeah its true that they may not be emo bands per se'. but they certainly carry the emo flag locally. and i guess, sadly, considering the rich emo heritage you've been speaking of. i admit to not being able to really dig in and find "real" emo bands locally, much less be in the know. i guess i should've said "local mainstream pseudo-emo" haha.
ah, posthardcore talaga ang hopesfall? noted. i actually never knew what they fell under and just loved them. i only heard "emocore" from someone who seemed to really know the genre as well. (i even liked A-types, although totally different animal na)
keep it up paengkee, im glad someone really knowledgeable is trying to set the record straight, kasi people like me can also get certain ideas wrong.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on February 07, 2008, 01:36:14 PM
yeah its true that they may not be emo bands per se'. but they certainly carry the emo flag locally. and i guess, sadly, considering the rich emo heritage you've been speaking of. i admit to not being able to really dig in and find "real" emo bands locally, much less be in the know. i guess i should've said "local mainstream pseudo-emo" haha.
ah, posthardcore talaga ang hopesfall? noted. i actually never knew what they fell under and just loved them. i only heard "emocore" from someone who seemed to really know the genre as well. (i even liked A-types, although totally different animal na)
keep it up paengkee, im glad someone really knowledgeable is trying to set the record straight, kasi people like me can also get certain ideas wrong.
eee haha wala lang yan. im just really oc when it comes to genre placement. i like hopesfall. one of the few posthardcore bands i like. hmm emocore. thats embrace, rites or spring, faith, void and basically anything from 1984-1989 thats sounds remotely similar to them :D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: franz3 on February 07, 2008, 03:10:44 PM
Sorry kung ioofend ko ang kahit sino... Emo music if fine, it's the posers that suck..<br [ice cream], lahat nalang tinatawag emo, post hardcore is different from emo.. [apple], okei na nga yung fasion nila, nasisira lang ng attitude nila, [apple], mga itsura, siryoso pa kungwari, sarap banatan...
Sensya na po, talgang sensitibo lang ako sa mga emo na to..
+100
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: franz3 on February 07, 2008, 03:20:21 PM
Yung mga emo posers, takte i saw them i day sa labas ng mall nagkukumpulan. Naisip ko, what do these guys have in their heads? are they insane? Nakaka asar kasi yung mga trip nila, pati yung porma, dugyot yung iba, tpos ang iitim pa ng iba, mukha na ngang adik at taong grasa yung iba e. Tpos kumakanta kanta pa playing with a crappy sounding acoustic guitar ( wala nga sa tono e). Parang sinasabi lang nila na "hey, we're emo, we are cool, and you are not cool like us" putakte, nakaka asar pa yung mga mukha nila, sobrang depressed na nakaka asar na..I guess the music kinda sucks, depende din, pero dun sa mga Emo kung umasal, They suck.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: chromeknive on February 07, 2008, 06:13:37 PM
Yung mga emo posers, takte i saw them i day sa labas ng mall nagkukumpulan. Naisip ko, what do these guys have in their heads? are they insane? Nakaka asar kasi yung mga trip nila, pati yung porma, dugyot yung iba, tpos ang iitim pa ng iba, mukha na ngang adik at taong grasa yung iba e. Tpos kumakanta kanta pa playing with a crappy sounding acoustic guitar ( wala nga sa tono e). Parang sinasabi lang nila na "hey, we're emo, we are cool, and you are not cool like us" putakte, nakaka asar pa yung mga mukha nila, sobrang depressed na nakaka asar na..I guess the music kinda sucks, depende din, pero dun sa mga Emo kung umasal, They suck.
ahhaahahha LOL galit na galit!
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on February 07, 2008, 08:52:11 PM
Yung mga emo posers, takte i saw them i day sa labas ng mall nagkukumpulan. Naisip ko, what do these guys have in their heads? are they insane? Nakaka asar kasi yung mga trip nila, pati yung porma, dugyot yung iba, tpos ang iitim pa ng iba, mukha na ngang adik at taong grasa yung iba e. Tpos kumakanta kanta pa playing with a crappy sounding acoustic guitar ( wala nga sa tono e). Parang sinasabi lang nila na "hey, we're emo, we are cool, and you are not cool like us" putakte, nakaka asar pa yung mga mukha nila, sobrang depressed na nakaka asar na..I guess the music kinda sucks, depende din, pero dun sa mga Emo kung umasal, They suck.
well hating on them wont change anything though.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: omat17 on February 07, 2008, 09:22:38 PM
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Quote from: franz3 on Ngayong Araw at 03:20:21 PM Yung mga emo posers, takte i saw them i day sa labas ng mall nagkukumpulan. Naisip ko, what do these guys have in their heads? are they insane? Nakaka asar kasi yung mga trip nila, pati yung porma, dugyot yung iba, tpos ang iitim pa ng iba, mukha na ngang adik at taong grasa yung iba e. Tpos kumakanta kanta pa playing with a crappy sounding acoustic guitar ( wala nga sa tono e). Parang sinasabi lang nila na "hey, we're emo, we are cool, and you are not cool like us" putakte, nakaka asar pa yung mga mukha nila, sobrang depressed na nakaka asar na..I guess the music kinda sucks, depende din, pero dun sa mga Emo kung umasal, They suck.
well hating on them wont change anything though.
Sa kasamang palad, ou nga... Pero i still dont like most of them...
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: fretburner on February 07, 2008, 10:23:43 PM
what do you mean? the friggen genre died 13 years ago.
it doesn't matter. those who call themselves emo to this day will die in 2-3 years.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: ytse_neil on February 07, 2008, 11:36:02 PM
4 me emo sucks...puro ingay,puro sigaw puro strum..wlang guitar solo wlang keyboard solo bass and drum solo...in short wlang skills..lgi nlng drop c..un lng skill nla...peace out!!!hehehe :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: keida on February 08, 2008, 12:36:01 AM
i do. the sad thing is, the people here seem to post something derogatory before reading anything we've posted.
keida: youre right about the thing about the amps. thats why i got myself an mi audio crunchbox because its said to be a jcm800 in a box. and it delivers. i get the "wall of sound" and i can adjust the volume knob on my guitar to go clean haha.
WARNING. GEAR TALK.
since were talking about guitarists lets talk about guitar gear
the real "emo" amp is the JCM800. most emo bands from the late 80's and early 90s loved the jcm for its biting tone and crunch. gibson sgs were the axe of choice back then but ive talked with bands abiding by their telecasters and strats. oddly, only a few use les pauls. emo has a lot of clean parts and recently, reverb and delay add to the effect. the japanese band ENVY and michigan band MEN AS TREES use delay/reverb a lot.
http://myspace.com/indiansummersongs
my ideal jcm tone. thats a jcm800 50w and a gibson firebrand walnut sg.
there arent really that much "chops" based emo bands back then. the most technical i know was saetia/hotcross (two diff bands but they practically have members from each other). nowadays we have circle takes the square (http://myspace.com/circletakesthesquare)
emo (the real one) has got to be one of the most dynamic genres i know. going from super fast drumming and screaming to slow, droning plucked parts that let your ears relax after the onslaught of roaring twin jcm800s panned to boths sides of your headphones. 90s emo bands are great lyricists too. and no they arent cheezy.
yeah, pansin ko nga na puros sg paborito nila. one time kasama ko gitarista ng village idiots (90's san pablo pop punk darlings) sa pier and we saw this black setneck mavis sg. di sya makatulog ng mahimbing buong linggo. hahaha!
i got into earth crisis and neurosis at the same time.
earth crisis was just a huge bulldozer of grooves, brute metal and hardcore riffage and ecoactivist/sxe lyrics.
neurosis was just a huuuge wall of sound. slowly pounding into your consciousness. there was nothing that sounded like them. they paved the way for the ambient/art metal so popular nowadays. theres a thread here about psychoacoustics or something like that, and neurosis was the perfect example of that being put to terrifying use. they were the perfect soundtrack to a world's demise.
then came the day i heard engine kid... i crapped in my pants hearing the amazing dynamics of their songs. i guess they were one of the first bands that opened the doors for me to that period's "emo/indierock" noisy then hushed guitars, the buildups, and release, the near but not-so-whiny vocals, and the haunting forlorn lyrics.
then these bastards shifted to jazzcore then called it a day and moved on to form goatsnake then later on, the ever bewildering Sunn O))) :-D
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the most obvious link "emo" has with punk and hardcore is the diy ethics, the importance of the message and substance over technical virtuosity. bands like these function as a unit as opposed to other types of rock that sometimes serve as a podium to show off individual skills (eg, glamrock).
i guess what attracted me to these types of bands (HC/punk/indierock) was the way they played with their hearts on their sleeves (pun intended). as if their lives depended on it. irregardless of their technical capabilities, or lack of, there was always an urgency that transcended beyond musicianship.
the emo bands these people label nowadays, i dont know what to call them anymore. i listen to some that are still fun to listen. but its hard to distinguish one from another with all these record companies/radio stations/marketing folks riding on whatever's the big tag word. people tend to just listen and wait instead of search and learn new things. that's why 80% of people on this thread associate "emo" with bands they hear on the radio. of course we wouldn't hear indian summer, rites of spring, saetia, the promise ring anytime on the radio soon. it just wouldn't sell. the sound isn't just popular enough.
these "emo" kids we see are no different from "punk" kids we see roaming around summerslam and the likes, up to the neck with punk gear, a huge anarchy symbol on the front, and a huge slapshock or queso logo on the back. :lol: if they describe themselves as such, well, it;s a sad fact that i never see these kids at punk/hc shows (there are exceptions though). its quite a phenomenon.
the best allegory would be what someone did with connecting the "emo" now with new wave fashion. if you were into it, then most likely you would be sporting chong fashion. there was really good new wave music, and there were tons of crappy ones too. dont hate them because they're like that. i guess lets just let them grow out of that phase. everyone gets "emo" during teenage years. it's just unfortunate now that there's such a term like that which everyone loves to hate.
its best to educate others to new forms of music, their origins, and broaden their view of what may be out there outside of the world of the commercial music landscape. look at how people in general view philippine punk music, theyre stuck with the image of phil violators, betrayed, the wuds, iov, and all the trc/brave new world era stuff. they are all greats. i have much respect for that. but it did not end with them. it has grown beyond that, under the radar we have such a diverse and dynamic punk scene with all these bands, publications and labels. local bands have been released internationally, and the philippines has been a popular leg for bands touring the ASEAN region. a local documentary on punk has featured the punk scene from its early days, then jumped to the next generation of punk bands playing clubs today. there was no mention of the local community of zinemakers, indie distros, and of course the bands involved with it.
that's how the media perceived it. brave new world. the end. same thing with emo. they just notice the fashion, and the whiny pop music and the depression.
its sad because people know what's only fed to them.
everytime na naliligaw ako to the forums on rakista.com i cringe when i read comments like anu poh fave emo band nyo? akoh typecast forever. aztig xe cla eh! or something like that. :-D
i really appreciate paeng giving his insights and where to start on this genre. like its close cousins, it has been misunderstood, bastardized and commodified.
though a times we might sound preachy, but my apologies, because these genres have become close to heart and mean more to us than just being music you can rock out to.
educate, question, keep an open mind.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: voodoosoup on February 08, 2008, 04:01:33 AM
maybe someone should just start a new thread and talk about mall emo. thats obviously what the threadstarter meant and is also obviously what most people in this thread are talking about. so lets put aside emo hardcore, hardcore and post hardcore, punk and punk rock (which are about 50% of the music i personally listen to) and just talk about mall (commercial) emo. i call it creamo.
creamo: amusing on occassion.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: franz3 on February 08, 2008, 09:28:22 AM
what i hate about these emo posers is they ALWAYS misunderstood my favorite band Coheed and Cambria as EMO. Crap, they're always talking sa school " Tol anong emo soundtrip mo? Coheed and Cambria tol emo yun.." What the? CoCa is not emo, it's progressive rock. Ang hirap kasi sa kanila, when they hear a particular hardcore band, they will call it emo na kagad. Claudio's voice is high but you will not hear him whining and do some silly stuffs like some of those emo are doing.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: nealyu on February 08, 2008, 10:13:42 AM
loser emo hahahaha :lol:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: chromeknive on February 08, 2008, 10:25:49 AM
Hahaha in the olden days Emo wasnt like this dati parang astig eh, they kept screaming and the hair wasnt like bangs-y.the hairstyle with the current emo bands is new wave and i think it started with tom delonge coz he was a big new wave fan,well i guess the kinds thought it was punk coz blink 182 was punk.oh well.
pero mas iba sa tingin ko ang blink 182 mas taglay nila ang punk attitude eh
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on February 08, 2008, 09:47:17 PM
keida: we are officially invisible.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: IncX on February 08, 2008, 10:38:22 PM
4 me emo sucks...puro ingay,puro sigaw puro strum..wlang guitar solo wlang keyboard solo bass and drum solo...in short wlang skills..lgi nlng drop c..un lng skill nla...peace out!!!hehehe :-D
*lol*
we have now a new criteria in defining a good song:
are you sure you are not on those emo kids? because i have a feeling you only hate it because its uso and you seem to be the type who would hate anything thats uso.
check out the link:
http://www.yourscenesucks.com/
and check out "brootal kid"
fits you perfectly :) xep that you go for instrumental wanking.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on February 08, 2008, 10:48:49 PM
4 me emo sucks...puro ingay,puro sigaw puro strum..wlang guitar solo wlang keyboard solo bass and drum solo...in short wlang skills..lgi nlng drop c..un lng skill nla...peace out!!!hehehe :-D
a skill is a skill. and you sir, lack the skill to TROLL properly. you fail.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: keida on February 08, 2008, 11:13:00 PM
we're playing with singapore's magnicide tomorrow night! yung mga yun puro sigaw, walang guitar solo, walang keyboard solo, bas and drum solo, though naka drop D. grindcore eh. :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: tanj on February 08, 2008, 11:20:21 PM
For me i believe emo is not a genre,it still falls in between alt-rock-punk music.about sa porma naman( skinny jeans,hair do etc),parehas lang naman cla nun porma nung punks era pinasikat ng the ramones,sex pistols etc...anyways it's still music so there should be no discrimation there. :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: pr3ach2all on February 09, 2008, 10:31:26 AM
4 me emo sucks...puro ingay,puro sigaw puro strum..wlang guitar solo wlang keyboard solo bass and drum solo...in short wlang skills..lgi nlng drop c..un lng skill nla...peace out!!!hehehe :-D
diba old punk bands didnt have solos either? diba puro strum rin lang sila? but you cannot argue that they have no skill. therefore, you cannot argue that emo(whether the ones today or the one before) have no skill.
and besides, skill isnt just measured on soloing. it's like saying reggae bands are not skilled since you rarely hear them have a guitar solo. :|
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: markv on February 09, 2008, 11:32:34 AM
Nominees for thread of the year 2008! 1. Guitarists' view on Emo music thread 2. Perfect Pitch SM Megamall Thread 3. 4.
hehehe!
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on February 09, 2008, 09:35:51 PM
For me i believe emo is not a genre,it still falls in between alt-rock-punk music.about sa porma naman( skinny jeans,hair do etc),parehas lang naman cla nun porma nung punks era pinasikat ng the ramones,sex pistols etc...anyways it's still music so there should be no discrimation there. :-D
emo is from hardcore punk. the emo youre talking about is MALL emo.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Lahed92801 on February 09, 2008, 09:40:59 PM
emo is from hardcore punk. the emo youre talking about is MALL emo.
Emo came from (it's the "buzzword" if you will) the term "Emotional Hardcore". It was pioneered by bands such as Rites of Spring which started using acoustic guitars, more "sung" vocals and more melodic passages in their songs. Iba talaga ang emo dati sa emo ngayon.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: fretburner on February 10, 2008, 12:17:31 AM
and they both suck right? or emo before didn't suck so bad, and emo now suck so bad?
rock before (elvis) was good... rock now is still good. metal before (sabbath) was good...metal now is still good.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: killjom on February 10, 2008, 09:28:20 PM
napansin ko lang ha.. sa mga mainstream emo.. may weight requirement.. :-D :-D hahahahaha!! :-D :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: jaythegame on February 10, 2008, 10:49:51 PM
fave emo bands ko: the promise ring and rites of spring
rites of spring: mellow HC sound.. great, great! later joined with ian mckaye to form the superband fugazi.. fave song ko yung deeper than inside..
the promise ring: super poppy, reminds me of the pixies.. fave songs ko yung best looking boys, electric pink at the deep south.. we usually cover tpr songs too kasi ok tugtugin.. :-)
kaeda and pangkee, you are not invisible hehe.. :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on February 11, 2008, 09:38:21 AM
EMO! haha
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: markv on February 11, 2008, 10:10:35 AM
and they both suck right? or emo before didn't suck so bad, and emo now suck so bad?
rock before (elvis) was good... rock now is still good. metal before (sabbath) was good...metal now is still good.
well during the 80s, emo was more manly than most metal bands (*cough cinderella cough*) thats for sure. its not the question of whether a band sucks or not. there are pretty technical post hardcore outfits today. and back then emo had amazing dynamic songwriting. just because a band doesnt do 4 finger tapping, legato, super fast picking, whammy bar tricks or what not doesnt mean they suck. technical ability is not the lone standard of a good band. unfortunately, some think that way and songwriting and composition gets pushed in the background.
INCX mentioned once that metal bands in the 90s (nu metal) became really aggressive but their riffs are so simple, most songs became peoples' first guitar songs (eg my first summer by the deftones). now, metal bands rely more on chops and "going back to the roots" BUT they lost a lot of aggression which was prominent before. they became "pussified" versions of either slayer, metallica or other 80s heavy metal bands.
arent you the least bit annoyed at how... pansy trivium sound? i mean, ive been weaned on metal acts like slayer and their contemporaries and listening to them back and forth... well. trivium suck. (just an example)
the same would go for emo. i think it would be right to say that emo was waay more emotional in the early 90s. and the bands really got what it was all about. there were SMARTER bands back then.
maybe you just think that emo sucks because you dont listen to/appreciate it. as they say, everyone has different tastes in music. some tastes just suck i guess.
blue cheese to a frenchman may taste amazing but to a pinoy, he may pass it as some rotten dairy by-product.
i have to apolgize if i appear to adamant to defend whats left of what emo was. its a good thing we opted to call it something else as the word "emo" has been, shall we say in metal-speak, skinned, gutted, butt-feckt and burned.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: hardcore misery on February 11, 2008, 12:22:28 PM
well during the 80s, emo was more manly than most metal bands (*cough cinderella cough*) thats for sure.
and perhaps twisted sister because of the girly name? i'd pick cinderalla any time over any emo band.
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its not the question of whether a band sucks or not. there are pretty technical post hardcore outfits today. and back then emo had amazing dynamic songwriting. just because a band doesnt do 4 finger tapping, legato, super fast picking, whammy bar tricks or what not doesnt mean they suck. technical ability is not the lone standard of a good band. unfortunately, some think that way and songwriting and composition gets pushed in the background.
thing is, they both suck in those categories. you know why? because they have become irrelevant. good music stay relevant, e.g. ozzy's crazy train, megadeth's holy wars.
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INCX mentioned once that metal bands in the 90s (nu metal) became really aggressive but their riffs are so simple, most songs became peoples' first guitar songs (eg my first summer by the deftones).
deftones is not metal.
but they're probably one of the new non-metal dudes i listen to... fave song: 7 words.
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now, metal bands rely more on chops and "going back to the roots" BUT they lost a lot of aggression which was prominent before. they became "pussified" versions of either slayer, metallica or other 80s heavy metal bands. arent you the least bit annoyed at how... pansy trivium sound? i mean, ive been weaned on metal acts like slayer and their contemporaries and listening to them back and forth... well. trivium suck. (just an example)
so lamb of god and children of bodom are pussies?
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the same would go for emo. i think it would be right to say that emo was waay more emotional in the early 90s. and the bands really got what it was all about. there were SMARTER bands back then.
back then = past
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maybe you just think that emo sucks because you dont listen to/appreciate it. as they say, everyone has different tastes in music. some tastes just suck i guess.
emo sucks, be it "back then" or now.
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blue cheese to a frenchman may taste amazing but to a pinoy, he may pass it as some rotten dairy by-product.
it's probably partly because we don't eat it here too often. emo music has been flooding the airwaves, people still don't get used to it...can't stand it still. it's not even like people got tired of it, they sucked right from the beginning.
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i have to apolgize if i appear to adamant to defend whats left of what emo was. its a good thing we opted to call it something else as the word "emo" has been, shall we say in metal-speak, skinned, gutted, butt-feckt and burned.
emo was = past.
try defending emo now, not the past.
and try explaining why people can't discuss emo now, and not discuss their fashion. because that is very indicative how sucky ass the "music" is.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: IncX on February 11, 2008, 08:21:59 PM
i just had to butt in
crazy train and holy wars relevant today? *lol*
ok, for the sake of argument, they are not bad songs (a bit cheesy with the lyrics), but i certainly wouldn't write anything like that in this day and age... and they are what i call "beginner metal" songs... the kind of metal that would impress you when you are still new to the genre. again, im not saying they are bad songs... its just, mr. crowley (although honestly, i like ozzy a lot better with sabbath) and hangar 18 are better examples coming from those bands.
and yes, children of bodom and lamb of god just dont hold a candle to a band like slayer. i dont care how much kerry king's solos are off key and stuff, but these "chops heavy, so-called-metal" bands nowadays just dont do the E scale right.
you listen to them and still call yourself metal? Ok, so maybe you are because those bands still have more 'metal' in them than anything else... but just because one thing is metal, doesnt mean its good. any genre of music whether underground, unsigned or mainstream are bound to have crap representatives to their name.
listen to monstrosity, suffocation, terrorizer, cannibal corpse (i only like one album, the Bleeding), deicide, krisiun, necrophagist - cmon, you know these bands too man!
... and then listen to lamb of god and children of bodom (so ok, children of bodom have the chops... but they are like pop cradle of filth to me - as if COF wasnt pop enough already ... and the only good thing with lamb of god is that i saw their bassist using Warwick).
im a big fan of metal myself, but lets not close in other forms of music... so metal has the riffs... but emo whether past or present definitely have the lyrics.
for the record i hated kupaw metal more than pop emo. the latter just smeared the name of metal... mall emo, i couldnt care less...
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: korniks on February 11, 2008, 09:08:08 PM
ok sana emo kaso daming nag eemo-emohan e. feel na feel, one side buhok tapos wala naman palang alam. nangyari na dati yun d2 sa pinas, nung 97 umusbong ulet mga punks, pero dami na naman mga boploks na di naman naiintindihan ang prinsipyo ng punks, ang nagcla-claim na punks sila. bumaho tuloy. gaya ngaun bumaho na emo dahil sa mga emongers orcers...
sensya na , eto po ay pananaw ko lang...
peace! mabuhay kaung mga totoong musikero.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: posera!! on February 11, 2008, 09:18:50 PM
ok sana emo kaso daming nag eemo-emohan e. feel na feel, one side buhok tapos wala naman palang alam. nangyari na dati yun d2 sa pinas, nung 97 umusbong ulet mga punks, pero dami na naman mga boploks na di naman naiintindihan ang prinsipyo ng punks, ang nagcla-claim na punks sila. bumaho tuloy. gaya ngaun bumaho na emo dahil sa mga emongers orcers...
sensya na , eto po ay pananaw ko lang...
peace! mabuhay kaung mga totoong musikero.
nag laganap na ang mga POSERO/POSERA hehe :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: IncX on February 11, 2008, 09:24:22 PM
tip:
there is more to metal than the pages of guitar world. as a matter of fact, guitar world doesn't have any idea of what metal is nowadays.
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after saying that... i guess there is more to emo than what you see on MTV. i dont know since im not an expert with punk, hardcore and emo ...
just stop watching TV and try to discover things for yourself.
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end of sermon
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on February 11, 2008, 09:35:27 PM
"and perhaps twisted sister because of the girly name? i'd pick cinderalla any time over any emo band."
that was my opinion. you cant touch it. and neither can i towards you.
"thing is, they both suck in those categories. you know why? because they have become irrelevant. good music stay relevant, e.g. ozzy's crazy train, megadeth's holy wars."
yeah. thats because they arent as easily digested as ozzy or megadeth. try listening to a band like the apoplexy twist orchestra or orchid. just give it a try. because the way i see it, youre hating on the wrong thing. even someone whos not that into metal such as me, knows and listens (and occationally plays) crazy train and holy wars.
just give these guys a listen before you go on dissing what emo WAS.
http://www.myspace.com/pageninetynine
if you dont like it, then its ok. im not forcing you to like it. i just can take people like you dissing something they dont even know about.
"deftones is not metal." i said "nu metal" with quotes.
"but they're probably one of the new non-metal dudes i listen to... fave song: 7 words."
yep.
"so lamb of god and children of bodom are pussies?" compared to protector, krisiun and slayer? totally. slayer = bada$$
"back then = past
emo sucks, be it "back then" or now."
how can you say something sucks when you obviously dont know what it was.
"it's probably partly because we don't eat it here too often. emo music has been flooding the airwaves, people still don't get used to it...can't stand it still. it's not even like people got tired of it, they sucked right from the beginning."
the music thats flooding the airwaves isnt emo at all.
"emo was = past." yep
"try defending emo now, not the past." im not. i wont. why? because "emo" now isnt actually the emo thats i would defend. you keep telling me that emo sucked in the past too. well what bands have you heard to make you think that?
"and try explaining why people can't discuss emo now, and not discuss their fashion. because that is very indicative how sucky ass the "music" is."
it is also very indicative how close-minded some people are. i admit i keep my mind closed on what the general consensus labels as "emo" because i know what it was and what it should sound like. and what the mindset is like. and why they played the music.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: markv on February 11, 2008, 09:48:59 PM
parang debate ng relihiyon ito...
bigat pala ng word na 'EMO'
tsk tsk tsk..
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on February 11, 2008, 09:58:37 PM
^^ not really. the feeling is more like the feeling metalheads got when nu metal came about entering the mainstream tainting what metal was about. the purists hated that. same goes for now. same sht different day.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: pr3ach2all on February 11, 2008, 10:10:16 PM
"try defending emo now, not the past." im not. i wont. why? because "emo" now isnt actually the emo thats i would defend. you keep telling me that emo sucked in the past too. well what bands have you heard to make you think that?
was suppose say something like that but then since i'm no expert in old school emo then i have not much things to support that arguement.
OT: is at the drive-in considered emo?
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: xavier on February 11, 2008, 10:26:29 PM
^^ not really. the feeling is more like the feeling metalheads got when nu metal came about entering the mainstream tainting what metal was about. the purists hated that. same goes for now. same sht different day.
i agree to this one, kahit sino yatang kakilala ko nararamdaman to, some of my hiphop friends hate soulja boy, some don't. i like old rock, some of my friends don't. ganun lang naman. the feeling is a drive to defend what you believe in. or i'm just kooky.
anyway, maganda naman ang debate. :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: markv on February 11, 2008, 10:29:33 PM
yes, they are relevant. look around you. open your ears.
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ok, for the sake of argument, they are not bad songs (a bit cheesy with the lyrics), but i certainly wouldn't write anything like that in this day and age... and they are what i call "beginner metal" songs... the kind of metal that would impress you when you are still new to the genre. again, im not saying they are bad songs... its just, mr. crowley (although honestly, i like ozzy a lot better with sabbath) and hangar 18 are better examples coming from those bands.
relevance is quite different from preference or popularity or whatever.
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and yes, children of bodom and lamb of god just dont hold a candle to a band like slayer. i dont care how much kerry king's solos are off key and stuff, but these "chops heavy, so-called-metal" bands nowadays just dont do the E scale right.
you got to be kidding me.
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you listen to them and still call yourself metal? Ok, so maybe you are because those bands still have more 'metal' in them than anything else... but just because one thing is metal, doesnt mean its good. any genre of music whether underground, unsigned or mainstream are bound to have crap representatives to their name.
so ozzy and megadeth are crap? you are going nowhere. give it up.
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listen to monstrosity, suffocation, terrorizer, cannibal corpse (i only like one album, the Bleeding), deicide, krisiun, necrophagist - cmon, you know these bands too man!
you are looking at death/black metal here.
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... and then listen to lamb of god and children of bodom (so ok, children of bodom have the chops... but they are like pop cradle of filth to me - as if COF wasnt pop enough already ... and the only good thing with lamb of god is that i saw their bassist using Warwick).
again, different genre, all under the "metal" umbrella.
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im a big fan of metal myself, but lets not close in other forms of music... so metal has the riffs... but emo whether past or present definitely have the lyrics.
i listen just about anything i can listen to. i listen to bb king and srv. i worship pat metheney. i'm crazy about chet atkins.
emo is plain crap.
lyrics? i could write their lyrics myself. could u have written "children of the grave"?
and you say dave mustaine was cheesy with "holy wars"? you got to be kidding me. emo has cheese written all over. emo has more cheese than france and wisconsin.
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for the record i hated kupaw metal more than pop emo. the latter just smeared the name of metal... mall emo, i couldnt care less...
"rapmetal" is NOT metal. emo is emo. crap is crap.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: fretburner on February 12, 2008, 04:19:06 AM
that was my opinion. you cant touch it. and neither can i towards you.
IMO, and to quote millions, "emo is the new gay"
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yeah. thats because they arent as easily digested as ozzy or megadeth. try listening to a band like the apoplexy twist orchestra or orchid. just give it a try. because the way i see it, youre hating on the wrong thing. even someone whos not that into metal such as me, knows and listens (and occationally plays) crazy train and holy wars.
just like the other guy, relevance doesn't equate to accessability.
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just give these guys a listen before you go on dissing what emo WAS.
always about the past.
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"so lamb of god and children of bodom are pussies?" compared to protector, krisiun and slayer? totally. slayer = bada$$
you were comparing cinderalla with emo...you are comparing slayer with bodom and lamb of god which are in the same category.
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emo sucks, be it "back then" or now."
how can you say something sucks when you obviously dont know what it was.
the music thats flooding the airwaves isnt emo at all.
im not. i wont. why? because "emo" now isnt actually the emo thats i would defend. you keep telling me that emo sucked in the past too. well what bands have you heard to make you think that?
again, past past past.
compare that to metal then, and metal now. there's continuity. metal isn't destined to die, unlike emo.
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it is also very indicative how close-minded some people are. i admit i keep my mind closed on what the general consensus labels as "emo" because i know what it was and what it should sound like. and what the mindset is like. and why they played the music.
you don't seem to comprehend that music evolves. for example, led zeppelin was metal back then...then sabbath came, and they became the "standard" for metal...and then you have maiden...and then metallica and megadeth...slayer... and now, bodom and lamb of god... nobody is complaining. you yourself couldn't fathom the emo guys right now. can you go up stage and go "ladies and gentlemen, we are the 'real' emo, emo from the past... so don't call the next dude emo, because they are not". you will still be emo, like the rest of the guys now. at least with hupaw-hupaw, they had "rap" attached to "metal" which they later chanced to "rapcore", because they finally understood. do you see people changing the emo "now", to maybe "nu emo"? i don't think so.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paquitz on February 12, 2008, 05:08:23 AM
Bigat ng diskusyon dito.
OT Parang medyo tinamaan lang ako that Ciderella sucks. I'm not sure if you're referring to the Glam band before. Kasi dun sa era na yun ako lumaki. At kinahiya ko din yung mga yun dati. Pero ngayon I can say that I grew up with GNR, Skid Row, Poison etc. at yung Cinderella na Glam rock. Hehehe. Music is music for me. Rock N' Roll
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: chromeknive on February 12, 2008, 09:35:42 AM
for me lamb of god doesnt need to try to compare to slayer. think about this : if you were lamb of god, would you try to do better what slayer already did or do you try to carve out your own sound?
i think that's what the new metal (not nu metal) bands are trying to do nowadays. push the envelope, carry-on the metal tradition but at the same time distancing themselves from the legacies of the old guard. diba? so i really think comparing music from before to now really doesn't show us anything because what's been done before is what new artists should be avoiding in the first place. (yeah! trivium sucks though! haha)
man, don't diss lamb of god just 'cos they're not into death and gorefests. haha. you can be aggressive without being demonic or obsessed with blood and guts. haha...i'm personally not a fan of the (for me, really quite redundant) death/gore/guts/demonic bands. i like a little more variety in topics and images :lol:
or maybe im a pussy too :lol:
yeah deftones are not metal. the deftones try to do things that haven't been done before. chino moreno has been trying to pull them away from metal since white pony. and as for stef, i like how his riffs are heavy and dissonant but are without metal riff cliches, cliche palm mutes and he has a modern groove sensibility. (uy pwedeng pangalan ng trance/house artist)
sparta also!
as for "new pseudo-emo" / "mall emo" , all the things we hate about it are its prerequisites. so however the argument goes here, let's just all hate "new pseudo-mo" with a vengeance and carry on trying to make music that is quite frankly, not "mall emo".
mall emo...we respect it (fine!) but hate it. carry on, folks!
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: rad_12 on February 12, 2008, 10:36:59 AM
gear ng mga emo +1 yung player ewan ko lang music sometimes pero honestly guys may ibang emo bands na sinadyang out of tune yung tunog ewan ko parang gnun eh. vocals? (itali na yan!!) hahahaha :-D :evil: fashion statement hindi ko maintindihan kung ano sila sa lupa eh punk ba sila? or goth sometimes?
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on February 12, 2008, 10:57:31 AM
fretburner: i do not consider any band that you label emo as emo. enough said. the rest are just opinion. or fact based thoughts that you and i have been throwing around. oh well lets call it a day. ill admit we arent going anywhere with this. were starting to go below the belt na. if hating emo gives you a sense of personal satisfaction, then so be it. wag lang umabot sa personalan. i think mejo naging halata that i have an aversion to hair metal. but i dont hate it. haha. never liked some of the bands. maybe not yet.
i wonder what genre is next on the chopping board for mtv?
chromeknive: "so i really think comparing music from before to now really doesn't show us anything because what's been done before is what new artists should be avoiding in the first place."
i can actually say that "emo" now and emo then are two totally DIFFERENT genres. ang layo na. one of the names have to go and most of the bands i knew from that era actually hate the term emo now. their fans refer to them as skram now to avoid the obvious confusion going on. i just used the term 90s emo so as to stay relevant.
as a guitarist napansin ko mas metal oriented na ang riffs ng modern emo. mga iba nga ala swedish death metal na. "chug chug tenenenen" et al. without the overall mood. and the singing. i think hair metal without vibrato and a cold (as much as i dont like hair metal. ang ganda ng mga boses nila. the style turns me off) lyrics? well instead of singing about sex they sing about not getting any. HAHA.
i like manowar tho.
imo this thread is just a big "kick me" sign to modern emo. i came into this thread seeing all bashers on the genre. almost like putting emo on a rope and making it a pinata. i could care less about modern emo. no way am i lifting a finger for those whiny arse bands. the bad thing is, i knew what it was and i saw that it was good. i just want to make it clear that it wasnt gay, that it wasnt cheesy. and most of all, it wast commercialized. i also noticed that most emo kids today are turning into this:
(http://www.dobi.nu/yourscenesucks/brootal/scene.jpg) "when kids get bored of just being “emo,” they tend to migrate toward something more chaotic. this is where the brootal character comes in. almost like parasites, they move from one scene to another, draining all originality from that genre before moving onto the next.
not sophisticated enough to understand technical metal, and too much of a pansy to hang with the death metal crowd, he hangs with the rest of the brootal kids. as a collective, they have no idea where they are headed. they listen to brootal music not because they have an appreciation or understanding of it, but because it is practically unlistenable.
he works on grindcore logos in his notebook all day long, as he aspires to one day design band merch. to show the world his poetic side, he renames himself using alliteration- davey deathkill or stevey suicide, for example.
much like the mindless music they listen to, one brootal kid is hard to differentiate from another due to the swarm of white belts and out of control hair." http://yourscenesucks.com
its satirical. but there is some truth to it. the emo kids are turning METAL. oh no.
metalheads, dont you just hate that?
"ok sana emo kaso daming nag eemo-emohan e. feel na feel, one side buhok tapos wala naman palang alam. nangyari na dati yun d2 sa pinas, nung 97 umusbong ulet mga punks, pero dami na naman mga boploks na di naman naiintindihan ang prinsipyo ng punks, ang nagcla-claim na punks sila. bumaho tuloy. gaya ngaun bumaho na emo dahil sa mga emongers orcers..."
oh diba? pati punk purists naakagat na rin ng mtv noon.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: joopabs on February 12, 2008, 11:12:45 AM
I think some guitarists view emo as lame because of it's "mainstream"-ness. I don't know most about you guys, but from what I've observed with musicians who I got to know, parang madaling mawala sa kanila un novelty ng isang song or genre when it goes mainstream. Parang nakakawalang-gana na daw pag sobrang sikat - up to a point that even certain group (stereotype mainstream listeners who don't know or care much about music) of people already know the song. Don't get me wrong, I listen to and like emo, but It's not the type of music I would play during gigs. My 2 cents.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: chromeknive on February 12, 2008, 11:33:47 AM
man. wala akong scene sa yourscenesucks.
nasa ano ako e,
"you grew up with nirvana and guns n roses, moved on to the more sophisticated oasis, discovered the deftones, discovered metal and the cocteau twins. you cannot play metal guitar or shred to save your life. you think paul weller, noel gallagher, maynard james keenan, chino moreno, elizabeth fraser and mike patton are cool. you think the dillinger escape plan and protest the hero are cool. you look and dress like herbert bautista (vice mayor version)."
gawa tayo ng thread na "CREATE YOUR OWN SUCKY SCENE" !
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: IncX on February 12, 2008, 12:51:04 PM
yes, they are relevant. look around you. open your ears.
relevance is quite different from preference or popularity or whatever.
you got to be kidding me.
so ozzy and megadeth are crap? you are going nowhere. give it up.
you are looking at death/black metal here.
again, different genre, all under the "metal" umbrella.
i listen just about anything i can listen to. i listen to bb king and srv. i worship pat metheney. i'm crazy about chet atkins.
emo is plain crap.
lyrics? i could write their lyrics myself. could u have written "children of the grave"?
and you say dave mustaine was cheesy with "holy wars"? you got to be kidding me. emo has cheese written all over. emo has more cheese than france and wisconsin.
"rapmetal" is NOT metal. emo is emo. crap is crap.
i dont wanna chop your posts like you did with mine, and just give you one come back:
wow... you have such a sophisticated taste in music! thats just so cool! there's nothing gay in you at all! you listen to what a real man listens to!
-*-
and for the record, yes, i could write a lyric like children of the grave ... i also believe Francis M. and Rivermaya wrote lyrics to the tone of that "kabataan ang pag-asa ng bayan." if you are gonna ask me to write, be prepared to pay me cause i surely as hell dont wanna write lyrics like that with nothing in return.
-*-
can't you cite better examples than mainstream metal? ... i play mainstream metal for my 14 year old cousins cause i know its easy to digest. i mean, if you are gonna bash emo as gay, then we might as well get macho right? ... after all, you are the type of guy who hates "gay" music, so im just showing you what testosterone music is like, dont go ragging off that "but they are a different branch of metal!! not counted!"
and *lol* Led Zep... considered 'metal' in the past? *lol* we might as well consider Little Richard metal as well... i mean he pounded E-minor on the keyboard right? *lol*
-*-
finally, yes you do need to "quote the millions" ... cause you are nothing but a mainstream kid who is in this illussion that he is unique.
-*-
think for yourself. stop believing what is popular. stop incorporating the belief of other individuals and call it your own...
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: jamesroy on February 12, 2008, 01:00:11 PM
halos naman ng nagiging mainstream nagiging baduy sa karamihan. maganda sa una.pag tumagal na at laging naririnig pumapangit na.
para sa akin I consider all genre to be emo. kasi emotional naman kasi diba ang paggawa ng songs? lahat ng song with emotions right? may kanya kanyang trip lang kasi tayo kaya madalas yung ibang genre na di mo madalas pakinggan nagiging baduy sa inyo.yung iba naman naiinggit lang kasi daming sikat na mga ganung banda ngayon.
dami lang talagang gayagaya na pilit na ginagawang katawatawa ang emo.yung mga iniiipit yung boses at gayagaya din sa porma hehehe
pano pala maging gay ang music? ano ang basis?
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on February 12, 2008, 01:04:55 PM
^^^ ive heard bands with gay members that sound more manly than anything with straight guys in them.
Botch Gay for johnny depp limp wrist
they can all kick your arse... or spank it.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: joopabs on February 12, 2008, 01:49:47 PM
^^^ ive heard bands with gay members that sound more manly than anything with straight guys in them.
Botch Gay for johnny depp limp wrist
they can all kick your arse... or spank it.
Even Rob Halford (Judas Priest) admitted he was gay. But Judas Priest is kick@ss!
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: rad_12 on February 12, 2008, 03:18:56 PM
pero ibang klase yung mga emo na mga bata pagkalat-kalat na sila sa mga lansangan. meron silang place sa may malate grabe dami ni yung isang street dun halos sa kanila na lang. tama din yung iba dito pagtugtugin mo naman ng instrumento walang alam pero emo daw sila...hahahahaha.... :evil: tapos feeling pa nila magaling na sila. meron akong nameet na emo nakita akong mag-gitara. sabi ba naman sa'kin makaluma daw ako kasi ginagawa ko mga lead parts daw. tanungin ko nga si mokong kung marunong siyang mag-scale. eto sabi niya "ano yun? ".....natawa na lang ako sa kanya sa isip ko...hindi pa naman ako ganun kasama para tawanan ng harap-harapan yung tao... :-D :-D
pero bakit nga ganun sila todo porma?.....sabi nga ng kapatid ko wag mo na lang silang pansinin trip nila yun eh....iniisip ko tuloy kaya siguro hirap na makapasok yung mga ibang genre sa scene dito sa atin kasi dahil sa kung ano sikat dun sila...
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: keida on February 12, 2008, 08:45:49 PM
"you grew up with nirvana and guns n roses, moved on to the more sophisticated oasis, discovered the deftones, discovered metal and the cocteau twins. you cannot play metal guitar or shred to save your life. you think paul weller, noel gallagher, maynard james keenan, chino moreno, elizabeth fraser and mike patton are cool. you think the dillinger escape plan and protest the hero are cool. you look and dress like herbert bautista (vice mayor version)."
gawa tayo ng thread na "CREATE YOUR OWN SUCKY SCENE" !
uy, nakarelate ako dun insert blues in between gnr and oasis, and put punk and all its close relations alongside metal.
everytime something gets this big, its expected to see tons of copycats and other folks riding the bandwagon. its no surprise there's sooo many bands out there that make me cringe everytime i hear them. it happened with the whole alternative thing, with the resurgence of "pangks" back in the mid 90's, with grunge, then with nu metal (which sucked in the first place lolz) then with the onslaught of european tech metal, and now due to how fast things spread through the web, "emo".
it can't be helped. even with metal, despite not totally making it big, you dont have to dig in that deep to find tons of crappy ones.
damn you paeng for mentioning manowar, na lss na tuloy ako...
"WE'RE WARRIORS, WARRIORS OF THE WORLD!"
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: keida on February 12, 2008, 08:58:20 PM
i dont wanna chop your posts like you did with mine, and just give you one come back:
wow... you have such a sophisticated taste in music! thats just so cool! there's nothing gay in you at all! you listen to what a real man listens to!
-*-
yes. and emo is gay.
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and for the record, yes, i could write a lyric like children of the grave ... i also believe Francis M. and Rivermaya wrote lyrics to the tone of that "kabataan ang pag-asa ng bayan." if you are gonna ask me to write, be prepared to pay me cause i surely as hell dont wanna write lyrics like that with nothing in return.
so can we hear your music and see your lyrics? coz we've heard of ozzy and he's still making music and sh!tloads of money.
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can't you cite better examples than mainstream metal? ... i play mainstream metal for my 14 year old cousins cause i know its easy to digest. i mean, if you are gonna bash emo as gay, then we might as well get macho right? ... after all, you are the type of guy who hates "gay" music, so im just showing you what testosterone music is like, dont go ragging off that "but they are a different branch of metal!! not counted!"
there are so many types of metal out there. you can't compare cradle of filth to metallica.
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and *lol* Led Zep... considered 'metal' in the past? *lol* we might as well consider Little Richard metal as well... i mean he pounded E-minor on the keyboard right? *lol*
now, we know why you are whining like the emo dudes we play with in gigs. you don't know crap about music history.
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finally, yes you do need to "quote the millions" ... cause you are nothing but a mainstream kid who is in this illussion that he is unique.
never claimed to be unique. you not only are clueless with your history, you cannot argue as well.
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think for yourself. stop believing what is popular. stop incorporating the belief of other individuals and call it your own...
clueless with music history, don't know how to argue, and lastly, don't know how to make inferences.
give up already.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on February 13, 2008, 12:32:49 PM
^^^ dude, i hope you dont take this personally. but. are you a homophobe? wala lang. its like you dont like "gayness"...
and onga pala. why do you even play alongside those kids? sana naman mga gigs metal kung metal. hardcore kung hardcore, at... emo kung emo. i really dont liked mixed genre gigs. badtrip talaga pag metal ang tinutugtog and you see these stick figures with mop tops going about hitting each other. sayang naman if nakakasama mo mga bandang ganyan...
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on February 13, 2008, 01:00:56 PM
kakasabi ko lang nga. walang personalan sana. if may problema, kindly pm each other about it na lang. your discussions are getting too personal na.
if you like emo, fine. i learned not to be preachy about what it is. if you hate emo, fine. no need to show the world how you hate it.
opinions are shared. not shoved each others' throats.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: joopabs on February 13, 2008, 01:22:59 PM
Music will always be full of opinions, hehehe. To each his own. I'm also guilty of bashing other genres but come to think of it, kanya-kanyang trip lang naman talaga yan. Medyo passionate lang talaga cguro ang mga katoto natin dito sa philmusic kaya nagkakaron ng arguments. Peace out.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: fretburner on February 13, 2008, 09:06:24 PM
^^^ dude, i hope you dont take this personally. but. are you a homophobe? wala lang. its like you dont like "gayness"...
irrelevant. and i think freddie mercury is one of the best rock/pop vocalists ever.
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and onga pala. why do you even play alongside those kids? sana naman mga gigs metal kung metal. hardcore kung hardcore, at... emo kung emo. i really dont liked mixed genre gigs. badtrip talaga pag metal ang tinutugtog and you see these stick figures with mop tops going about hitting each other. sayang naman if nakakasama mo mga bandang ganyan...
i don't pick the line up.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: fretburner on February 13, 2008, 09:10:49 PM
kakasabi ko lang nga. walang personalan sana. if may problema, kindly pm each other about it na lang. your discussions are getting too personal na.
if you like emo, fine. i learned not to be preachy about what it is. if you hate emo, fine. no need to show the world how you hate it.
opinions are shared. not shoved each others' throats.
+10000000000000000000000000
pareng paeng nakakainis talga....napakadameng warfreak sa mundo
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: anjoesatriani on February 17, 2008, 06:38:57 PM
emo is a good music..
ayos lang ang emo sa matinong tao..
Other people says "emo sucks" because of some of the Filipinos na ginagawang "OA"(Over Acting) ang isang bagay.
isa pa.. there are what you called "emo musicians" and the "emo posers"- ito yung mga taong pumopormang emo lang tapos feel na feel nila, sa pananamit, sa buhok, at sa nangngupas na black t-shirt, sila yung mga taong feeling astig pag naglalaslas :-o
well, diba ang layo sa music naman nun.
kaya ang daming ayaw sa emo, dahil sa mga bwiset na mga "pogi".
hindi lang naman sa emo, mga sitwasyong na mga 'to.
meron din naman sa metal, meron mga taong metal na metal ang looks, pero nakilala mo puro alternative lang ang alam at ni hindi man lang marunong tumugtog o kumanta man lang..
kaya ang last na masasabi ko..
mapaanuman ang genre, dapat irespeto natin lahat, mapahiphop man yan o ano.
:-)
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: keida on February 17, 2008, 11:26:25 PM
here's one more before this thread goes to hell. :-D it's been an interesting read. a mix of really thought out posts and since this is GC, its expected to have its fair share of haters & some really difficult personalities. i guess it can't be helped.
so here's something done by an awesome artist, christian san jose jr. his take on these kids we all seem to be so fond of.
more of his awesome art here http://csjwcr.deviantart.com/
now, back to guitars, it seems like the axe of choice for indie rock then was sg's and teles, while nowadays it seems like an assortment of more pointy axes, right?
i hear a lot of technical stuff from the new crop nowadays. as if they suddenly discovered swedish metal and made it more pop.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: jaythegame on February 17, 2008, 11:40:55 PM
^^ napansin ko si tickle me emo hehe.. :-) ang ganda
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: vinz on February 17, 2008, 11:54:31 PM
so ano na ang "GUITARISTS VIEW ON EMO MUSIC" ? :?
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: rad_12 on February 18, 2008, 02:35:22 AM
parang yan din ang point ko. sa mga recent posts ko dito sa thread. naiinis lang kasi ako sa mga taong mahilig pumorma ng emo or blah2x, naka-encounter na kasi ako ng emo daw sila na emo is sariling genre. tama ba yun? hahaha....yung taong yun ni hindi nga niya daw kilala metallica or dream theater magaling ba yun? sabi niya. mga kids na nagpipilit that's what can i say. mag-open ka ng ibang music ayaw nila eh kumbaga spoonful naman tayo were just opening them sa ibang kinds of music kaya lang hay....pero i know naman kanya2x lang. sayang lang kasi yung talents nila kung hindi i-oopen sa ibang genre and other ideas of playing. :-(
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: franz3 on February 18, 2008, 09:14:37 AM
Other people says "emo sucks" because of some of the Filipinos na ginagawang "OA"(Over Acting) ang isang bagay.
isa pa.. there are what you called "emo musicians" and the "emo posers"- ito yung mga taong pumopormang emo lang tapos feel na feel nila, sa pananamit, sa buhok, at sa nangngupas na black t-shirt, sila yung mga taong feeling astig pag naglalaslas :-o
well, diba ang layo sa music naman nun.
kaya ang daming ayaw sa emo, dahil sa mga bwiset na mga "pogi".
hindi lang naman sa emo, mga sitwasyong na mga 'to.
meron din naman sa metal, meron mga taong metal na metal ang looks, pero nakilala mo puro alternative lang ang alam at ni hindi man lang marunong tumugtog o kumanta man lang..
kaya ang last na masasabi ko..
mapaanuman ang genre, dapat irespeto natin lahat, mapahiphop man yan o ano.
:-)
Agree, yung iba kasi sobrang OA tapos puro yabang lang pala. Iba ang music sa porma, ang ayoko lang sa emo music ay yung boses, haha peace.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: raki on February 18, 2008, 09:18:13 AM
..music is music. I don't care kung emo.. ang ayoko lang 'yung mga posers..
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: fretburner on February 18, 2008, 12:50:57 PM
Other people says "emo sucks" because of some of the Filipinos na ginagawang "OA"(Over Acting) ang isang bagay.
isa pa.. there are what you called "emo musicians" and the "emo posers"- ito yung mga taong pumopormang emo lang tapos feel na feel nila, sa pananamit, sa buhok, at sa nangngupas na black t-shirt, sila yung mga taong feeling astig pag naglalaslas :-o
well, diba ang layo sa music naman nun.
kaya ang daming ayaw sa emo, dahil sa mga bwiset na mga "pogi".
hindi lang naman sa emo, mga sitwasyong na mga 'to.
meron din naman sa metal, meron mga taong metal na metal ang looks, pero nakilala mo puro alternative lang ang alam at ni hindi man lang marunong tumugtog o kumanta man lang..
kaya ang last na masasabi ko..
mapaanuman ang genre, dapat irespeto natin lahat, mapahiphop man yan o ano.
:-)
well sa gitara?
try nyo pakinggan 'to. para sakin ok to..
pero di ko alam kung emo to. pero i think emo sya. (for this song only)
here's one more before this thread goes to hell. :-D it's been an interesting read. a mix of really thought out posts and since this is GC, its expected to have its fair share of haters & some really difficult personalities. i guess it can't be helped.
so here's something done by an awesome artist, christian san jose jr. his take on these kids we all seem to be so fond of.
more of his awesome art here http://csjwcr.deviantart.com/
now, back to guitars, it seems like the axe of choice for indie rock then was sg's and teles, while nowadays it seems like an assortment of more pointy axes, right?
i hear a lot of technical stuff from the new crop nowadays. as if they suddenly discovered swedish metal and made it more pop.
uy, meron akong original pic nyan. ;-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Santo Muerte on February 21, 2008, 07:44:31 AM
Emo is gayer than a transvestite in a pink polka-dot thong getting anally sodomized at a Gay Pride Parade while "I Will Survive" plays in the background.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paparoni on February 21, 2008, 09:14:43 AM
oww. emo. the laslas convetion. don't try to cut your wrist with a blade. wasak.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: lefty on February 21, 2008, 09:44:59 AM
I think the word Emo was just invented to categorize music into its sub genres but has existed looong ago.. isnt blues a type of Emo? "my baby left me, got no money.." etc..
listen to The Rolling Stones, Paint It Black.. thats soo Emo..
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: chromeknive on February 21, 2008, 02:02:11 PM
I think the word Emo was just invented to categorize music into its sub genres but has existed looong ago.. isnt blues a type of Emo? "my baby left me, got no money.." etc..
listen to The Rolling Stones, Paint It Black.. thats soo Emo..
everything you said is wrong. if you read the good posts and conversations in this thread, you'd be enlightened. we have the priviledge of actually having people here who really know about "emo". check out paengkee's long posts. :-)
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: lefty on February 22, 2008, 03:42:33 PM
everything you said is wrong. if you read the good posts and conversations in this thread, you'd be enlightened. we have the priviledge of actually having people here who really know about "emo". check out paengkee's long posts. :-)
If thats the case, it doesn't interest me.. Emo on. 8-)
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Eivar on February 22, 2008, 07:57:55 PM
mainit tong thread na to ah....
my view on emo music...
ACCOMPANIMENT: emo for me is an easy genre of music... the riffs are good but easy to play... you need to have great moves on stage in performing... because if not... then wala lang ang performance... drums are ok... speedy type... guitars are easy players... they compose riffs that are relax to play so they can show off with their moves like jumping etc...
DRESSUP: most emo guys i saw was so skinny! wearing black eye lashes... which is so gay to me... please no offense.... their hairstyle is like "covering one eye cut"... pretty good hairstyle... and most of the emo listeners are kids... literally kids...
LYRICS/VOCALS: their lyrics are great... and i mean their messages are great... so composers of emo... good job! for the vocals, for me, i dont like much about the style of their singing... its like crying while singing! and slanging the words so much! and they sometimes make their voices so tiny! and shout! and all of that....
CONCLUSION: when i started having a band... we cover emo... its ok for me... as time passes... i shifted to progressive metal... or any other metal... and strictly no emo... so emo is the trend today... so its ok... im not against emo or pro emo... coz their are points that emo that i like and dont like... there... peace out fellow rockers... :wink: :wink: :wink:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: juzaen on February 22, 2008, 10:00:06 PM
there have been a lot of bands with "whiney" vocals since the 70's, and what actually pissess me off is that while my vocalist was listening to led zep, his emo cousin cam and shouted "uy! nakikinig ka pala ng emo!"
what i don't like about the genre is the attitude of some of the bands and of most of the listeners.
heheheh kala si sir robert plant emo lol..
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on February 22, 2008, 10:21:43 PM
here's one more before this thread goes to hell. :-D it's been an interesting read. a mix of really thought out posts and since this is GC, its expected to have its fair share of haters & some really difficult personalities. i guess it can't be helped.
so here's something done by an awesome artist, christian san jose jr. his take on these kids we all seem to be so fond of.
more of his awesome art here http://csjwcr.deviantart.com/
now, back to guitars, it seems like the axe of choice for indie rock then was sg's and teles, while nowadays it seems like an assortment of more pointy axes, right?
i hear a lot of technical stuff from the new crop nowadays. as if they suddenly discovered swedish metal and made it more pop.
they made it... uhh... emotional? *nyuk nyuk*
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paparoni on February 22, 2008, 10:37:34 PM
emo emo emo tsk tsk tsk
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: keida on February 22, 2008, 11:34:59 PM
here's one more before this thread goes to hell. :-D it's been an interesting read. a mix of really thought out posts and since this is GC, its expected to have its fair share of haters & some really difficult personalities. i guess it can't be helped.
so here's something done by an awesome artist, christian san jose jr. his take on these kids we all seem to be so fond of.
more of his awesome art here http://csjwcr.deviantart.com/
now, back to guitars, it seems like the axe of choice for indie rock then was sg's and teles, while nowadays it seems like an assortment of more pointy axes, right?
i hear a lot of technical stuff from the new crop nowadays. as if they suddenly discovered swedish metal and made it more pop.
You should see the original pic......
Anyway just to be fair, masama mag stereotype ng tao just by the music he/she listens to. Pero sa kahit anong genre naman, there will always be people who will take it too far. Back to the topic, I find some riffs catchy. Ayoko lang yung maraming whining. TO EACH HIS OWN.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: keida on February 24, 2008, 09:50:50 AM
Anyway just to be fair, masama mag stereotype ng tao just by the music he/she listens to. Pero sa kahit anong genre naman, there will always be people who will take it too far. Back to the topic, I find some riffs catchy. Ayoko lang yung maraming whining. TO EACH HIS OWN.
yeah, i posted this in response to the guy who posted the original pic.
i agree with your opinion. genre bashing is a waste of time though. though constructive criticism is more than welcome. people eventually evolve and mature (hopefully) and move on to discover a broader range of music.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: the_Nong on February 25, 2008, 11:42:08 PM
guys, watch the Myxcellaneous EMO2 episode on your myx music channel at 9pm.we just finished editing this morning and grabe! daming views!
this one's 'bout focusing on how the youth look at the Emo scene. they have comments, opinions and experiences by Emo youths, Posers, denials and more. different form the 1st Episode, we hope to enlighten the views on what is Emo..
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: xavier on February 26, 2008, 12:02:35 AM
bakit nga ba Laguna? anong meron sa laguna? tipong bawat pamilya sa bawat baranggay emo ang itsura? haha.
Hinde pero kahit san ka tumingin may nakatambay with sideswept hair.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: the_Nong on February 29, 2008, 03:06:34 PM
natatawa ako pag naririning ko na sinasabi ng mga kabataan na EMO is just music, parang diko ma-take.. i think it's all..
siyempre, 1st is when hearing music from an artist, 2nd pag nagustuhan mo ung music ng artist and start to watch the music videos or search for them to see how they look, 3rd is finding how cool the artists look and now starting to do they're fashion, then 4th, when you're in to the artist, start to be involved with the music medyo ayan na... 5th is proclaiming the influence (or denying it in this matter).
parang nung 80's, we listen to Depeche Mode, to Tears for Fears, the Cure or even Lotus Eaters, etc.. this started the trend "NEW WAVE", we listen, look and even breathe "NEW WAVE", tapos sasabihin.. "new wave ka brad?", diba? ung iba "wow brad, Punks ka pala", nong 70's nga eh "wow pare, hippie", nuong 60's "Beatnicks", nuong 50's "Greasers", 90's pag naka all black ka, long hair "Metal", pag naka shorts, DM's, white shirt plaided polo na nakatali sa waist mo, "Grunge".. haayyy .. same thing as "EMO".. "brad, EMO ka pala?".. it's not negative.. it's an identity of what you are influenced of..
my 2 cents worth...
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: tapslore on February 29, 2008, 03:23:38 PM
parang nung 80's, we listen to Depeche Mode, to Tears for Fears, the Cure or even Lotus Eaters, etc.. this started the trend "NEW WAVE", we listen, look and even breathe "NEW WAVE", tapos sasabihin.. "new wave ka brad?", diba? ung iba "wow brad, Punks ka pala", nong 70's nga eh "wow pare, hippie", nuong 60's "Beatnicks", nuong 50's "Greasers", 90's pag naka all black ka, long hair "Metal", pag naka shorts, DM's, white shirt plaided polo na nakatali sa waist mo, "Grunge".. haayyy .. same thing as "EMO".. "brad, EMO ka pala?".. it's not negative.. it's an identity of what you are influenced of..
Amen to that. In the 90's i was proud to call myself a metalhead. "Nothing Else Matters" was my anthem. people sneered at my angst and my ratty black t-shirts and long hair and dismissed me as a poser. well IT WAS REAL TO ME, and it helped me get through a difficult time in my life.
10 years later, di na ko metal, in fact born again na ko, but i will never put down anyone who identifies with a certain type of music. nanggaling ako dun e.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: jaythegame on February 29, 2008, 09:27:16 PM
^^ the only difference is these "emo" dudes that you see on the streets will deny that they were into mtv emo in the future when another kind of genre becomes popular.. :wink:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: markitut on February 29, 2008, 11:54:35 PM
10 years later, di na ko metal, in fact born again na ko, but i will never put down anyone who identifies with a certain type of music. nanggaling ako dun e.
wow..astig..guitar4Christ taio bro.. hehe.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: the_Nong on March 01, 2008, 11:49:39 AM
^^ the only difference is these "emo" dudes that you see on the streets will deny that they were into mtv emo in the future when another kind of genre becomes popular.. :wink:
yep, music video Emo...
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: bongraider on March 04, 2008, 12:45:24 PM
emo is a recent term attached to the counterculture spawned by bands doing melodic punk with heartbreak undertones. nung wala pang emo, post-everything pa ang tawag dun. naging emo lang kasi medyo sobrang emotional ng pinaparating ng kanta.
as a guitarist/drummer, my gripe is that the licks seem repetitive, more of punk/hardcorized maiden licks. drumming is medyo repetitive din, punk influenced kasi masyado, and they most often utilize basic kits. basically for me emo is punk/hardcore/metal revamped to become politically correct. parang harcore na ginawang malamya o something.
sa ngayon, you cannot brand certain music as emo outright. pero ang basis ko for branding something emo ay sa lyrics. and the inflection of the vocals. like glam before, may sariling stilo ang emo vox, kinda sounding like a girl. but unlike the chino moreno sound, yung sa emo is more of a sissy girl sound, further emphasizing something tumultuous/heartbreaking (hearbraking ay di necessarily on the love side of things) in the lyrics.
alala ko dati sa nu metal, ang sigawan nasa chorus, ngayon naman sa ibang emo ang sigawan nasa verses tas ang chorus naging sing-along. gosh umikot na ng 180 ang mundo ng popular music.
emo is like a halfway house. medyo hardcore na medyo punk na medyo metal na medyo baklain... kaya minsan kakainis, parang mga gustong punk na mas punk na di masyado hardcore kasi wala namang plataporma at di masyado kayang maging metal kasi iba ang attitude.. hahay.
sabi pa ng mobb deep-- "son, they shook, coz there aint no such things as halfway crooks... " kung choy ka, diretso sa pagiging choy!
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: bongraider on March 04, 2008, 01:20:21 PM
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Speed_Kills on March 04, 2008, 06:30:01 PM
anu bang issue sa emo emo na yan! :-D walang pakialamanan.. :x :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: sidlead66 on March 05, 2008, 01:50:08 AM
mejo Off pala yung post ko lately.. hehe
Guitarist View on emo Music... here goes
id say madami ka ding matutunan... like Alternate Tunings, Weird Chord Shapes, approach on different tones
sa mabigat naman nanjan na ang Shredding, FX modulation manipulation,
and the Guitar Show, like swings, flips... in most cases delikado... :)
kaya matututo din tayo sa kanila, i do... :) i play it... pero di ako EMO (fashion), Metal ako... GRRRR... haha :)
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: sidlead66 on March 05, 2008, 01:55:26 AM
Dati naalala ko pag Metal Ka baduy daw... haha ngayon EMO naman... hahaha... parang mga Punks na pinatay ang Disco... haha... paulit ulit ang life talaga :)
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paolo_du on March 05, 2008, 08:24:36 AM
No doubt that a lot of them are good musicians who know their gear and tone. What I don't like about the music are the vocals. Can't stand the whining.
+1 :-D I know emo bands with tight guitarwork, tapos may magaling din na drummer. Saosin's members, personally, sound good together for example. Medyo skeptical lang ako about vocals...
Is Protest the Hero considered as emo??
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: chromeknive on March 05, 2008, 07:39:15 PM
NO! haha. please no. and NO! tech metal sila. they did come from a hardcore punk background (their first ep was political punk) but they really evolved into tech metal.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Lahed92801 on March 05, 2008, 07:58:02 PM
+1 :-D I know emo bands with tight guitarwork, tapos may magaling din na drummer. Saosin's members, personally, sound good together for example. Medyo skeptical lang ako about vocals... Is Protest the Hero considered as emo??
HAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. It's not emo haha! Tech metal yan, bro :-D
Sorry. Tight guitar work? I'd disagree.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: anjoesatriani on March 08, 2008, 10:47:23 AM
try nyo sa imeem o utube.. Tears Don't Fall-Bullet for My Valentine..
Check the guitar parts and the song.. ayos din 'to :-)
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: markv on March 11, 2008, 03:19:24 PM
try nyo sa imeem o utube.. Tears Don't Fall-Bullet for My Valentine..
Check the guitar parts and the song.. ayos din 'to :-)
is BFMV emo? ang alam ko sir indi..pero thats just me. i think we should ask paengkee.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: dammerung on March 11, 2008, 07:16:13 PM
Emo band yung weezer diba? Ok din sila.
Oo nga pla...ang alam ko may suicidal tendencies yung mga emo dudes, pero bakit yata dumarami pa sila. :?
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: pr3ach2all on March 11, 2008, 07:37:18 PM
BFMV isnt emo from what i know. their more metal or hardcore or something like that. and weezer aint emo either. i think theyre punk/alternative. correct me nalang on these if im wrong.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on March 11, 2008, 09:32:06 PM
BFMV isnt emo from what i know. their more metal or hardcore or something like that. and weezer aint emo either. i think theyre punk/alternative. correct me nalang on these if im wrong.
oo di emo ang bullet :-D pero for this song emong emo 'to kahit yung lyrics, itong song lang para sa akin pati All these things i hate..
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: gitarakista27 on March 12, 2008, 09:05:03 PM
no. they are cool with me tho. early influences ng marami yan. :P
and well, ill leave that suicidal tendency stuff to psychology. or worse, social sciences (because its becoming a cult phenomenon na.)
i think its gay. para lang masabi na "emo" kuno sila. they dont even listen to the real thing. let alone contribute to their already badlighted scene.
still remember me paengkee? i think you should have been on the myx docu on "emo". you would have explained alot...
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Eivar on March 14, 2008, 12:48:09 PM
based from experience and my peers...
emo - malalaman mong emo ang banda sa vocalist. kapag whining ang style ng vocalist... considered as emo na sila... - as in sa vocalist lang talaga... yung tipong parang maiiyak na sila sa kakakanta.. ayun... emo na tawag sa kanila...
about their guitar works... some are good... most are kidstuff...
ang mga emo na banda... basta naka distortion ang gitara... bahala na ang vocalist...
kaya nga sobrang bihirang emo lang na bands ang naapreciate ko eh... yung may effort to compose good guitar works...
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: markv on March 14, 2008, 01:07:27 PM
Quote
Guitarists' view on Emo music
it looks gay, it sounds gay!
:D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: chromeknive on March 15, 2008, 03:55:50 AM
So eloquently put. How verbose and scholarly, indeed. Napaka P.C.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: keida on March 15, 2008, 04:02:30 AM
and what's wrong with being gay?
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: chromeknive on March 15, 2008, 04:37:12 AM
he probably thinks there aren't any gays in metal.
"hinde!!! rob halford is straight!!! kailangan kasi pag gay, pang babae yung music at malandi at nagbibihis babae!"
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: snob_you on March 15, 2008, 05:53:30 PM
natatawa lang talaga ako sa mga ganito: (http://photos-025.friendster.com/e1/photos/52/03/23323025/1_642518109l.jpg) hahaha. peace lang! maganda naman ang emo na genre. kaya lang ang daming posers.
http://profiles.friendster.com/23323025 nakita ko lang sa friendster. peace!hehe
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: hardcore misery on March 15, 2008, 06:08:14 PM
^^ nakow, baka sa susunod, naghahalikan na yang dalawang bata..lol
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: rolexm on March 15, 2008, 06:09:38 PM
That was hillarious.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: rad_12 on March 15, 2008, 06:17:16 PM
ang cute nila...ang cute nilang pag-untugin :evil:
joke lang :lol:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: snob_you on March 16, 2008, 01:01:43 AM
pero tingnan niyo mga sir yung shoutout nya sa friendster niya, pinapahiwatig niya na ayaw njiya sa posers. haha. nakakatawa talaga.hehehe
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on March 16, 2008, 07:16:29 AM
eehem ehem. back on topic.
why the bigotry on gays tho. are you guys(/haters) homophobes or something? because thats more sissy than being gay.
again, from a guitarist's point of view, plus the original incarnation of emo in mind (1984-1997) its almost always about dynamic songwriting. sad to say lyrics today have since degraded although guitar skills have been improving.
but still, i dont sense anything emotional about "emo" today. call me stuck in the past but believe me. emo in the 90s was a totally different genre than what everyone in this board assumes it to be. to those who actually took time to go to the links i mentioned, i commend you for being open minded. to those who didnt, i also commend you for standing up for what you listen to...
i just dont like the fact that people are now placing genres upon themselves. "emo ako" "metal ako" "hip hop ako". punk can pass though since the label is older than the genre. my answer?
paken sheets. CLASSICAL AKO. palag? yeah! im so BACH. HORNS UP! (and trumpets)
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on March 16, 2008, 07:33:11 AM
TO METALHEADS:
did you know that the drummer of UNEARTH and THE RED CHORD came from a 90s screamo band called hassan i sabbah?
and the drummer for a life once lost came from this band:
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awesome drummer... who are ya callin gay now huh?
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: zasam_4 on March 16, 2008, 10:19:04 AM
did you know that the drummer of UNEARTH and THE RED CHORD came from a 90s screamo band called NEIL PERRY?
they have seen the light :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: r0nd0gg on March 16, 2008, 10:58:48 AM
ok naman emo... pero kung 10 emo bands sa isang gabi parang isang banda lang ang tumugtog.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: keida on March 16, 2008, 12:49:22 PM
recently i had some conversations with friends who, you could safely say, were the more prominent figures in the scene during the mid to late 90's.
for (sort of) old-timers like me, emo will always be the promise ring, the get up kids, texas is the reason, jimmy eat world, jawbox, braid, sensefield, hey mercedes, eliott and the like. then came the likes of grade which defined a turining point in the sound from an indie rock/college rock to a more melodic HC tune. . then when powerviolence became all the rage, some co opted a more moody/screamy vocals to counter the gazillion beats per minute growling that came to define powerviolence. emoviolence was again, a joke term which got lost in the translation and now is known as screamo.
--
my bestfriend's 2 younger sisters had a band and they invited mo to go to this production they were playing. they were quite good considering they're 16 and 18 yeas old and their band had much to improve. but lo and behold, 80% of the bands on the lineup were TYPECAST COVER BANDS.
yup, you read that right. one band after another. almost the same songs. all these kids looked the same
im not a typecast fan but i enjoy their music once in a while and i think they are really good. but to be in a situation where you see all these highschool kids play was unbrarable. :lol: we could actually guess what type of music they would play by the way they dressed. and hearing the intro of another minute til ten for the nth time would drive us nuts.
but because the reality is that emo/indierock came from a scene that relied on mailorder distros, writing actual letters, grassroots level communication, and hard to get by zines, it didn't reach the mainstream that quick. although people consider 2002 as the year emo "broke", early attempts by major labels releasing jimmy eat world, jawbox and the like failed and subsequently they got dropped from the labels.
myspace and the internet helped it boom in recent years and the word "emo", still considered by many as a four letter word, became the next big marketing tag.
so it's understandable that a lot of kids nowadays have a shallow understanding of the genre, especially the mall variety.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: siLimHan on March 16, 2008, 01:26:05 PM
mga emo music kasi... pagdating sa guitarist.... ang galing nila gumawa ng music resolution.... kaya pag narinig niyo ung kanta ng typecast dati... nung 3 palang sila... may parang naglelead kahit wala silang lead... may sumasabay pa na rhythm.... :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on March 16, 2008, 01:34:17 PM
no actually, justin graves told me he moved to another state and he was invited to play in a metalcore band called a life once lost.
the drummer for unearth and the red chord still played in another screamo band after hassan i sabbah at the same time he joined the former. once napunta siya sa red chord and started touring he eventually phased out of the band because their label wouldnt approve of such a band.
seen the light? sold out is more like it.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: bongraider on March 18, 2008, 11:19:06 AM
the drummer for unearth and the red chord still played in another screamo band after hassan i sabbah at the same time he joined the former. once napunta siya sa red chord and started touring he eventually phased out of the band because their label wouldnt approve of such a band.
seen the light? sold out is more like it.
si mike justian ba tinutukoy mo? that guy is one sick drummer. in the case of drummers, they rarely attach themselves to a particular scene/genre. drums/percussion is considered a genre-spanning discipline. you can do african polyrhythms in metal, etc. and most of drummers just like banging on drums, not so much into makeup and whining i guess. justian plays with just shorts and a tank top so would you call him a scenester? drumming for him is a passion. whether screamo or grindcore.
and paeng, for one i think you're missing the point the emo haters here are driving at. they aren't mad at the early screamo/emo what have you. they just dont like what emo has become. and you have to face that. emo is now all about the image, the scene and the affiliation. i have mucho respect for sunny day real estate, texas is the reason, promise ring, etc but emo nowadays has become a commodity. it's like a politically correct license to suck at life.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: keida on March 18, 2008, 11:31:05 AM
it's like a politically correct license to suck at life.
one of the best views ive ever read here :lol: this made my day!
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: markv on March 18, 2008, 11:34:07 AM
"we're bringing you true metal. you won't have to hear anything from a whiny little b-i-t-c-h about a girl breaking his heart. fcuk the emo trend we're bringing you metal!" -- SHADOWS FALL
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: joshnerez on March 18, 2008, 02:54:35 PM
Quote from: bongraider
and paeng, for one i think you're missing the point the emo haters here are driving at. they aren't mad at the early screamo/emo what have you. they just dont like what emo has become. and you have to face that. emo is now all about the image, the scene and the affiliation. i have mucho respect for sunny day real estate, texas is the reason, promise ring, etc but emo nowadays has become a commodity. it's like a politically correct license to suck at life.
+ :-)
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: studiowan on March 18, 2008, 05:16:59 PM
si mike justian ba tinutukoy mo? that guy is one sick drummer. in the case of drummers, they rarely attach themselves to a particular scene/genre. drums/percussion is considered a genre-spanning discipline. you can do african polyrhythms in metal, etc. and most of drummers just like banging on drums, not so much into makeup and whining i guess. justian plays with just shorts and a tank top so would you call him a scenester? drumming for him is a passion. whether screamo or grindcore.
and paeng, for one i think you're missing the point the emo haters here are driving at. they aren't mad at the early screamo/emo what have you. they just dont like what emo has become. and you have to face that. emo is now all about the image, the scene and the affiliation. i have mucho respect for sunny day real estate, texas is the reason, promise ring, etc but emo nowadays has become a commodity. it's like a politically correct license to suck at life.
MISMO... nawala na kc yung integrity kc na-overated at nauso kahit ako mismo di ko din maintindihan kung bket naging ganun all of a sudden lahat n ng banda ganun ang tunog and pati itsura...ako yung mga kabanda ko matagal ko na kilala even nung 3piece pa lang cla ganun na itsura nila,kaya inakala ng mga kids ganun ang itsura ng emo...maraming mis conception wala naman sa itsura yan eh...music pa din ang importante kaso di na mapipigilan marami kase mas gusto pang pumorma kesa tumugtog...dati me sinagot na kmi interview about emo kc nga nata-tag kmi as emo which is wala namang problema samin eversince basta kami gusto lang naming tumogtog at gumawa ng kanta...pero sa totoo lang malayo pa kami dun sa totoong mga emong banda...hindi lang naman porke nabasted ka n or broken hearted emo na yun...emotional nga eh, pwedeng galit ka,masaya or malungkot...or pwede ding positive na kanta yung tipong makaka inpire ka ng tao...ngayon kc puro hinagpis aba! puro iyakan...he he sa totoo lang di applicable sting pinoy kung isasabuhay mo ang pagiging emo...kasi sanay tayo sa hirap eh at mas me tiyaga tayo, matiisin kung anung meron pinagtatyagan...unlike sa mga western countries na madali ang way of living kaya di cla sanay sa problema...eniwey ang point ko lang FU__k the TREND music comes first...sencia na O.T
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Eivar on March 18, 2008, 08:26:15 PM
"we're bringing you true metal. you won't have to hear anything from a whiny little b-i-t-c-h about a girl breaking his heart. fcuk the emo trend we're bringing you metal!" -- SHADOWS FALL
hehehe! nice...
emo is kidstuff...
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: the_Nong on March 18, 2008, 08:39:13 PM
yes, EMO is kidstuff. like NEW WAVE, HEAVY METAL, GRUNGE, HIPPIES, BEATNICKS, or PUNK during our younger days.. so, i don't find anything wrong with it.. like the things that i mentioned, it will pass but will be remembered.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Eivar on March 18, 2008, 09:30:56 PM
yes, EMO is kidstuff. like NEW WAVE, HEAVY METAL, GRUNGE, HIPPIES, BEATNICKS, or PUNK during our younger days.. so, i don't find anything wrong with it.. like the things that i mentioned, it will pass but will be remembered.
true!!! thats really true.... :-D
try imagining the emo bands today when they get old... they still sing like that... hehehehe!
when they get old, they will still wear black eye lashes... hehehe! actualy i cant imagine it... hehehe
peace!!
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: gitarakista27 on March 19, 2008, 08:55:28 AM
myspace and the internet helped it boom in recent years and the word "emo", still considered by many as a four letter word, became the next big marketing tag.
so it's understandable that a lot of kids nowadays have a shallow understanding of the genre, especially the mall variety.
the internet helped the word get out. teens and kids got themselves associated na. they found people that were also "hurt" like them. people that they could find "security" and "belongingness" because with that label or word "emo"(which is actually a genry), they knew they were not alone.
before emo came out(when i mean came out i mean, got vandalized and got misinterpreted while being popularized) i was already deppressed and whiny but after a few years i grew out of it. most people will grow out of it eventually naman. we don't have to hate them or judge them in my opinion. they can't be whiny and they can't wear eyeliner way into their sixties. thats just plain F'ed up... :-D
lets just let them be. kahet nakakaasar ang mga poser na mga iba. if apihin naten sila lalakas lang ang puersa nila kasi they will have more reasons to be depressed and the cycle repeats itself.
dont worry after a while mawawala na rin ang trend and those that remain will be considered the real ones and the ones that are not posers.hahahah
as for the guitars, maganda naman ang mga progression at riff minsan. nakaka uta lang kung for one night puro ganun ang tugtugen...haaaaaaaay
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Eivar on March 19, 2008, 04:36:11 PM
as for the guitars, maganda naman ang mga progression at riff minsan. nakaka uta lang kung for one night puro ganun ang tugtugen...haaaaaaaay
hehehe! may experience ako... like for one night... nakatugtug kami sa isang production na puro emo pala... kami lang ang metal... hehehe!! halos pareparehas yung tunog nila and puro bata... as in...
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Kipling241 on March 19, 2008, 09:19:20 PM
up for you, sir! tiyak na mabebenta agad to! wow! :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: the_Nong on March 19, 2008, 11:35:39 PM
up for you, sir! tiyak na mabebenta agad to! wow! :-D
Thanks, bro. Bili na!
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Mardk on March 20, 2008, 10:23:55 AM
emo = whine whine whine. every song is about the same " wawa naman ako" crap.
at sino ba talaga ang authority para magsabi kung alin ang emo at alin ang hindi? yung artist ba? yung die hard fans? the minority? the majority? the aliens?
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: samishellacool on March 20, 2008, 11:01:13 AM
EMO=immature people
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Eivar on March 20, 2008, 02:08:13 PM
hehehe! may experience ako... like for one night... nakatugtug kami sa isang production na puro emo pala... kami lang ang metal... hehehe!! halos pareparehas yung tunog nila and puro bata... as in...
nag judge ako one time ng isang battle of the bands dito.... sa sampung banda, lahat tinugtug emo.
you can imagine... sitting in a chair for 4 hours listening to the same song being played over and over again hahaha man took me days to recover from the LSS!!!!
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: gitarakista27 on March 21, 2008, 12:46:27 PM
nag judge ako one time ng isang battle of the bands dito.... sa sampung banda, lahat tinugtug emo.
you can imagine... sitting in a chair for 4 hours listening to the same song being played over and over again hahaha man took me days to recover from the LSS!!!!
same experience... pero nung mga sumunod... ung ibang emo nag ratm na hehehe yup... respect is there... saka un kasi ang uso at hilig ng mga halos new bands... importante enjoy lang talaga basta hilig tumugtog :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Eivar on March 24, 2008, 11:11:02 AM
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: chromeknive on March 24, 2008, 12:36:37 PM
Actually Bubblegum Pop ako. :evil:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: quijoter23 on August 01, 2008, 09:35:53 PM
ang ayoko lang kasing idea is ung term na EMO for a genre...pag nagtatanong aq kung anu meaning ng emo...sagot lagi emotional...eh sa pagkakakalam ko lahat ng kanta sa buong mundo eh may emotions na involved diba??? ang sobrang rage(most associated with blacker metals) ay pagiging very emotional din hindi ba??? maraming emotions na ginagamit sa kanta na masasabing very emotional yung song...
remember guys....hindi lang SADNESS ang emotion...siguro kung true emo ka pa rin(kung yang pa dn ang term na gs2 mo at hindi ka nabrain wash sa mga cnabi ko) eh cguro dapat balanced ang pagiging emotional mo... hindi lang malungkutin... dapat anjan din masayahin... magalitin.. hahaha.. hinde ba???
xenxa mga pre Psychology Major aq eh... huge topic ang emo trend ngaun!!!
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: marzi on August 01, 2008, 09:50:53 PM
basta ako mga dawgs, hip hop ako...
period.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on August 02, 2008, 12:23:19 AM
http://myspace.com/theapoplexytwistorchestra
this? gay?
f- you
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: xelalien on August 02, 2008, 01:10:43 AM
Heto.....
http://www.imeem.com/ayatollah/video/hgvAKTkC/
tsaka eto pa
http://www.imeem.com/ayatollah/video/hjfP6aM4/
FAIL. :lol:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: marzi on August 02, 2008, 02:09:01 AM
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: thr3ten on August 11, 2008, 11:24:15 PM
music is music however you wish to call it. some maybe into standards, others go for the classy jazz stuff, there are suckers for guitar driven music and those who finds peace either by listening to new age records or thru the blistering emotions of april boy reginos classic piece. people don't get me wrong, please.. emo is as alien as sigourney weaver to me but i find genius in every form of art there is.. this has been said a lot of times here. respect!!!
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: ascendancy28 on August 16, 2008, 05:40:59 PM
emo is gay
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Opay21 on August 17, 2008, 12:08:50 AM
grabe, i would never do that to my guitar.. not even try to...
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: xid02 on August 20, 2008, 01:03:17 AM
my avatar will be the one speak for me..
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paolo_du on August 20, 2008, 09:55:31 AM
There are guitarists who can't play emo at all, kahit na super metal players pa. That said, I think a lot of guitarists have skill and great musicianship. Marami lang naaasar kasi papogi masyado. :-D
They look "grunge" na malinis and walang bulbol. HEHE
Bakit kaya walang naasar sa grunge nung maraming pa-grunge look dati? :|
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: skunkyfunk on August 20, 2008, 09:59:08 AM
Bakit kaya walang naasar sa grunge nung maraming pa-grunge look dati? :|
Kasi yun din yung panahon na maraming konyo na naka-hiphop na mas pinapansin dati.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on August 20, 2008, 08:52:41 PM
i think this thread needs to be locked. wala na sa discussion ang pag gigitara, and if ever meron, its just there to make the post relevant while making half arsed potshots at a genre that they dont like.
what does this post contribute anyway? bigotry to those emo kids who know nothing about it?
evoking posts like
"emo is gay"
first of all, whats wrong with being gay? i know some gay people who have achieved more than straight people could even hope to do. what are you people? effing homophobes? do you really have to show how masculine you are by hating on something that ISNT YOU? does it make you more manly to hate on gay people? if so, you are lower than how low you think gay people are. either that or you were molested when you were a kid. you WERE molested were you?
secondly, what do you know about emo? if you are hating on it, then you must know some of it. and where did that come from? maybe you got a little curious and read some articles or listened to some music. you know as much as those emo kids you hate. are you hating them because you are so in denial that you KNOW something about it?
now im not directing this to one person. im directing this to all you people who have said at least one derogatory thing about, not just emo, but anything. you people hate on something and when asked why you turn what you hate into a scapegoat. "hate ko ang emo kasi oa sila". thats not the case. "hate ko ang emo kasi ayoko maging emo". thats what you want to hide from all these people.
what about metal? metal is effing awesome because its supposed to be awesome and i think it really is. and you feel awesome being a part of the awesome-ness. and you feel more awesome when you hate on something that isnt awesome.
how primal of you people.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: chromeknive on August 21, 2008, 12:15:44 AM
i think this thread needs to be locked. wala na sa discussion ang pag gigitara, and if ever meron, its just there to make the post relevant while making half arsed potshots at a genre that they dont like.
what does this post contribute anyway? bigotry to those emo kids who know nothing about it?
evoking posts like
"emo is gay"
first of all, whats wrong with being gay? i know some gay people who have achieved more than straight people could even hope to do. what are you people? effing homophobes? do you really have to show how masculine you are by hating on something that ISNT YOU? does it make you more manly to hate on gay people? if so, you are lower than how low you think gay people are. either that or you were molested when you were a kid. you WERE molested were you?
secondly, what do you know about emo? if you are hating on it, then you must know some of it. and where did that come from? maybe you got a little curious and read some articles or listened to some music. you know as much as those emo kids you hate. are you hating them because you are so in denial that you KNOW something about it?
now im not directing this to one person. im directing this to all you people who have said at least one derogatory thing about, not just emo, but anything. you people hate on something and when asked why you turn what you hate into a scapegoat. "hate ko ang emo kasi oa sila". thats not the case. "hate ko ang emo kasi ayoko maging emo". thats what you want to hide from all these people.
what about metal? metal is effing awesome because its supposed to be awesome and i think it really is. and you feel awesome being a part of the awesome-ness. and you feel more awesome when you hate on something that isnt awesome.
how primal of you people.
Yeah well, we can try and post like this all we want and with the best intentions. This is a plus one hundred, really. However, sad to say, marami sa forum na ito ang medyo "behind". And I say this without a shred of yabang or pangmamata and with nothing but the best intentions. I really hope somehow people would "level up".
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: omat17 on September 08, 2008, 02:02:07 AM
Yeah well, we can try and post like this all we want and with the best intentions. This is a plus one hundred, really. However, sad to say, marami sa forum na ito ang medyo "behind". And I say this without a shred of yabang or pangmamata and with nothing but the best intentions. I really hope somehow people would "level up".
+999999999999999999999999999999
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: sikheadzraf on September 08, 2008, 03:03:28 AM
just give respect to any type of music even if it's gay music. respect it. hehe! :lol: let them express theirselves. emo has its own identity.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: rad_12 on September 08, 2008, 09:26:14 AM
music is music however you wish to call it. some maybe into standards, others go for the classy jazz stuff, there are suckers for guitar driven music and those who finds peace either by listening to new age records or thru the blistering emotions of april boy reginos classic piece. people don't get me wrong, please.. emo is as alien as sigourney weaver to me but i find genius in every form of art there is.. this has been said a lot of times here. respect!!!
amen :-)
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Musikerochan on September 08, 2008, 09:34:51 AM
emo [chocolate] tang ina nyo mga emo suntukan tau .. panget talaga ng emo compare sa metal.. yuck ..
that's too primitive of you to make a statement such as that. who cares if you dont like emo? i dont like emo too, the way i dont like bossa and April Boy, pero it doesnt mean na anyone digging the genre or a particular artist is worth killing. respeto lang. besides, your assertion doesnt have bearing sa topic.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: blackwingchai on September 08, 2008, 10:31:38 AM
emo is a subculture,not sub genre ng music, they are playing rock ballad, thats it, nothing more......
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: noobiest09 on September 08, 2008, 09:50:55 PM
what about metal? metal is effing awesome because its supposed to be awesome and i think it really is. and you feel awesome being a part of the awesome-ness. and you feel more awesome when you hate on something that isnt awesome.
how primal of you people.
Awsum!
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: DiMarzSiao™ on September 08, 2008, 11:52:14 PM
Kasi yun din yung panahon na maraming konyo na naka-hiphop na mas pinapansin dati.
:-D... yung mga hip-hop na kapansin-pansin.... i remember that.,,... may naka-away pa kong hip-hop sa megamall dati... nakipag pustahan kasi sa Street Fighter II... ayun.... mercy daw... di ko pinaabot ng 3rd round... BHAHAHAHAHA
IMHO... basta na-caught ang attention ko ng music na narinig ko.. okay sa'kin... kaso... yung "Emo"... hindi talaga nag r-register eh... no offense... may nakikinig sa emo... so it only means na buhay ang scene na ito...
pero... after 10 years kaya? may maalala pa kaya ang mga tao sa mga kantang ito???
peace!
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: xavier on September 09, 2008, 12:10:36 AM
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: jellogz on September 09, 2008, 12:21:07 AM
opinion ko lan, hindi ko na lang siguro titignan un music itself, pero cguro ako naiinis ako dun sa mga posers na wala nman alam sa pagtugtog at wala din alam sa music, pero nakiki ride na lang sila kse "uso", at the best pa dun, akala mo kung sino kung mag aasta, parang mga hiphop din yan eh, after 10 years, un mga posers na yan, mawawala din yan, sagwa cgro sabihin sa apo ko pag tumanda ako "Alam mo apo, EMO ako dati eh" wahahahaha
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: ytse_neil on September 09, 2008, 06:28:06 AM
opinion ko lan, hindi ko na lang siguro titignan un music itself, pero cguro ako naiinis ako dun sa mga posers na wala nman alam sa pagtugtog at wala din alam sa music, pero nakiki ride na lang sila kse "uso", at the best pa dun, akala mo kung sino kung mag aasta, parang mga hiphop din yan eh, after 10 years, un mga posers na yan, mawawala din yan, sagwa cgro sabihin sa apo ko pag tumanda ako "Alam mo apo, EMO ako dati eh" wahahahaha
bro bawal text spelling dito...
isa rin akong emo hater..pero di ko na sasabihin kung anu ang dahilan..pero dapat respetuhan lang yan..dahil kanya kanyang opinion sa buhay at musika lang yan...AKO SI emoRAnger :-)
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Musikerochan on September 09, 2008, 08:48:59 AM
ok lang siguro yung music, wag lang OA yung mga nakikinig, ga may naglalaslas pa daw eh. OA nyo. i understand the music, not the attitude. being a guitarist i could say na ok lang tumugtog ng emo ganyan ganyan, pero to act like one (with matching melancholic darkness): a big NO.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: gainsucker on September 09, 2008, 12:11:06 PM
hayaan na lang natin sila. i'm sure ayaw din nila music naten... hahahah :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: thunder_shadow(raikage) on September 09, 2008, 12:33:08 PM
ayus toh ah
up
well di ako emo at lalong di ako punk i think walang mali sa bagong genre nato lam nyo kasi well emo only expresses some feelings and emotions thats why a new genre has been made sabi ng ibang guitarist mga emo siraulo well wag nyo nalang patulan
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: putzi on September 09, 2008, 12:51:34 PM
hindi talaga natin sila mapipigilan. dumadami sila ng dumadami.
madami sa mga emong musikero/fan na nakikita sa mga malls and streets.. mas overpowered ung fashion statement nila kesa sa music.
at saka kadalasan sila pa ung may gana magmayabang..sa mga studio namin nakikita yun mga ganito.
.sad thing.
in my opinion,parang iisa nga ang tunog nila..parepareho riffs and beats.
tama si Musikerochan ..
dapat hindi naman dadating sa point na maglalaslas. :-D
at saka si gainsucker.
pabayaan na lang natin sila :-D
no offense sa mga emo fans and emo guitarist dito. respect lang to one another. MUSIC! PEACE!:-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: deathbymistake on September 09, 2008, 01:08:45 PM
its nice to hear emotional music..we are musicians right.we love music :-)
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: jellogz on September 09, 2008, 03:13:48 PM
hahaha sorry bro, medyo antok na talaga ako kagabi NUNG post ko YUNG message ko and medyo nasanay KASE ako na mag type ng maigsi, pero understandable naman YUNG message hindi ba? hehehe peace
IMO lang din, sa pagkakaintindi ko eh ang music is all based on feelings and EMOTIONS, so basically yan ang foundation why we create music, to express the later, so does that mean na EMO na rin tau? :lol: I guess not
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Musikerochan on September 09, 2008, 03:32:44 PM
basta wag lang sigaw na parang matatae, ayus naman.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: simon_divitico on September 09, 2008, 04:15:43 PM
Karamihan satin psychological ang nagiging approach sa issue na ito. Karamihan satin, lalo na yung mahilig sa rock, sigurado unang pakinig ng mga kanta nila gustong gustong pa. Ngayon, dumating na yung "Emo Age", sinusmpa pa natin sila. Siguro naiinis tayo kapag dumadami yung mga taong mahilig din sa mga bagay na mahilig tayo, para iba tayo. :-)
Pero siyempre, yung lifestyle ng taong mahilig sa Emo songs (Di ko sila pwedeng tawaging Emo rin, ma-ooffend yung iba) ay isa rin sa mga dahilan kung bakit ang daming "nasusuya" sa kanila. (Sorry for the term, naalala ko lang yung friend ko, ginamit yung term na yun kasi emo hater siya)
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: ninejuicyjulius on September 09, 2008, 04:50:29 PM
wala na talaga sa paggigitara ang usapan. baka bumagsak na to sa AGT. :lol:
para sa ken, ayus lang ang guitar work ng "emo" songs. punk pa rin talaga ang roots, kung tutuusin. mabilis na madumi. tingin ko, yung mga kanta ng hale, bilisan at ingayan lang, magiging emo na eh. :lol:
and oh, the guitar spins? hanep! di ko kaya yun! sila lang. :lol:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: jellogz on September 09, 2008, 05:01:48 PM
wala na talaga sa paggigitara ang usapan. baka bumagsak na to sa AGT. :lol:
para sa ken, ayus lang ang guitar work ng "emo" songs. punk pa rin talaga ang roots, kung tutuusin. mabilis na madumi. tingin ko, yung mga kanta ng hale, bilisan at ingayan lang, magiging emo na eh. :lol:
and oh, the guitar spins? hanep! di ko kaya yun! sila lang. :lol:
edi emo din si malmsteen kasi nkita ko siyang nagpapaikot ng gitars hee hee peace tayo pero open lang naman tayo lahat sa music ng iba and appreciate ntin at respect para lahat tayo happy!! hahaha
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: juan_alderete on September 14, 2008, 01:18:14 PM
edi emo din si malmsteen kasi nkita ko siyang nagpapaikot ng gitars hee hee peace tayo pero open lang naman tayo lahat sa music ng iba and appreciate ntin at respect para lahat tayo happy!! hahaha
korek!.. respect gets respect.... dapat open minded tau sa lahat..
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: chupao on September 14, 2008, 01:23:18 PM
korek!.. respect gets respect.... dapat open minded tau sa lahat..
tama apir tayo hee hee ! kung meron tayo nun happy tayo lahat saka dami tayo friends hee hee korek ? dream ko un pag nag gig kami gusto namin me tropa kami iba genre pero nanunuod sila smin mga tipong support tayo sa isat isat hee hee kasi lahat tayo musicians di porket metal sila tpos indie ka o rock and roll ka e di mo na sila papakinggan hee hee saka di ka magsasawa kasi dami mong genre na naririnig hindi stick to one k lang
by the way im into techno pala baka gusto niyo lang meron ako sa multiply ko heehee okaya sa friendster ko
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: supertones on September 15, 2008, 04:22:50 PM
KUHA KAYO ALBUM NG
CHIODOS LOVEHATE HERO ICE NINE KILLS
CLASSICAL, PROGRESSIVE POST HARDCORE/EMO BANDS
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: am i clear? on September 15, 2008, 04:46:55 PM
Kanya kanyang trip lang yan.
Pero anything na exaggerated ay pangit talaga.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: frkuri on September 16, 2008, 08:04:07 PM
CHIODOS LOVEHATE HERO ICE NINE KILLS CLASSICAL, PROGRESSIVE POST HARDCORE/EMO BANDS
andami nabubuo na genre ah :-D
well nakikinig ako nito, dati yung chiodos old albums lang, yung bago nila di ko na natripan. yun lamang. :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: chupao on September 16, 2008, 11:21:26 PM
hee hee okay mga ibang genre and the like na bands basta wag mashado mataas mga boses hee hee
try niyo lang toh lagi sa playlist ko toh
search ther city emarosa as i lay dying august burns red
hinde emo toh para skin kasi galing ng mga arrangement ng search the city hee saka emarosa hee saka swak boses hee hee
as i lay saka august mga hardcore hee hee
gling kasi ng mga pagkakagawa ng mga riff hee hee nainpluwensyahan nila ako sa aking paggigitara ngayon
pero di parin ako nakakalimot sa roots ko hee hee
sadyang marami lang talgang mga talentadong tao sa mundo ! :-D :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paranoid on September 17, 2008, 11:49:29 PM
Emo daw is gay metal.. :D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Santo Muerte on September 18, 2008, 02:01:49 PM
Growls of Howler monkeys>>>>>Whiney emo buttrape vocals.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: spilledmilk on September 18, 2008, 04:21:34 PM
i cant play what these young emo-screamo kids are playing...
although minsan parepareho na sila ng tunog...or maybe di ko lang pinapakinggan ng mabuti...
anyway i like some of these "emo" bands/music
like all genres...dumadating, umaalis, minsan bumabalik, minsan hindi na....
its evolution baby...
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: bryansurvive on September 18, 2008, 05:26:08 PM
I usually listen to EMO bands...My mga banda kc na magaling ung pagkakagawa ng mga kanta...Pero ayoko lang talaga sa mga fans nila like how they dress and how they act wierd...Parang nagpapapansin pero wala namang alam...Lalo na kung marami sila "The Black Parade".
(Pero kumikita ang mga productions sa kanila...) :lol:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Opay21 on September 19, 2008, 07:51:56 AM
Right about that. exaggerated outfits are annoying, sakin lang naman.^^
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: crushtone1991 on September 19, 2008, 08:49:57 AM
para sa akin,simpleng genre lang naman ang emo eh.masyadong lang syang sumikat dahil sa maraming gumagaya sa mga porma kasi malakas ang hatak sa chick cute daw kasi.kahit hindi naman emo eh nagpapaka emo na din.tapos natuto ng salitang emo eh emo na daw sila. :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: supertones on September 19, 2008, 01:56:13 PM
well nakikinig ako nito, dati yung chiodos old albums lang, yung bago nila di ko na natripan. yun lamang. :-D
YEAH MADIDINIG MO SA KANILA MGA INFLUENCES>>>>>>
khit mga emo..... (daw) mataas lang boses eh..... lalim nga ng LYRICS....
august burns red-astig as i lay dying-astig as blood runs black-astig emarosa... post hardcore ata un di ba?
AH ETO ASTIG, "another rising" 15 yr old drummer from malolos bulacan.... sikat daw sa foreign underground scene ngayon sila... PATI PLA BASSIST TAGA MALOLOS BULACAN DIN....(O.A. lang manamit)
astig tlaga pinoy
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: thunder_shadow(raikage) on September 19, 2008, 08:09:00 PM
ako okay sakin yung emo music wag ngalang sisigaw nakakarindi eh
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Kclan on September 25, 2008, 07:27:50 AM
music nowadays is more on downgrading rather than upgrading. no offense meant. but if this music is what they enjoy, so be it. it's just another Punk Revolution, imo. Rock on, brothers.
:mrgreen:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: icemuzic on September 25, 2008, 10:27:39 AM
some emo songs a good specially the lyrics.. pero no offense sa mga emo jan, na babadingan ako sa style nila :-D :-D
pero cool din yung IBANG emo bands..
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on September 25, 2008, 12:06:11 PM
hee hee okay mga ibang genre and the like na bands basta wag mashado mataas mga boses hee hee
try niyo lang toh lagi sa playlist ko toh
search ther city emarosa as i lay dying august burns red
hinde emo toh para skin kasi galing ng mga arrangement ng search the city hee saka emarosa hee saka swak boses hee hee
as i lay saka august mga hardcore hee hee
gling kasi ng mga pagkakagawa ng mga riff hee hee nainpluwensyahan nila ako sa aking paggigitara ngayon
pero di parin ako nakakalimot sa roots ko hee hee
sadyang marami lang talgang mga talentadong tao sa mundo ! :-D :-D
not emo.
mid 80's emo www.myspace.com/ritesofspring
early 90s emo http://myspace.com/indiansummersongs
late 90s - early 00's emo http://myspace.com/cityofcaterpillar
early 00s-present screamo http://myspace.com/circletakesthesquare
as i lay dying is not hardcore august burns red is not hardcore
Boston Straightedge hardcore http://www.myspace.com/haveheart http://www.myspace.com/banecentral
New York Hardcore www.myspace.com/sickofitallny www.myspace.com/madball
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on September 25, 2008, 12:13:35 PM
READ IT AND WEEP. damnit. how many times do i have to post and repost this.
no offense to those kids who think they're emo, but it really gets on my nerves whenever i see some kid that looks like this...
(http://www.dtbmusic.com/gallery/emo%20kids.jpg)
now, it's not that i'm getting @nal about the whole emo as a counterculture thing, but the whole emo thing started from hardcore punk in 1985 and is still a part of hardcore punk. i asked one of "those" kids about what they thought about it, they said, "pare, ang pagiging emo is emotional, emo music is music na may emotion!" and i was all, "wtf!? dude, there's no such thing as an emo culture, even if you trace it back to 1985 to 1994 and even as late as 1999 and 2003" and the only reaction i got was something like, "oo na, ang dami mo nang alam, yabang mo!" it's funny really, how insecure, image obsessed kids could latch on to a new trendy clutch so quickly. i mean, these kids don't even listen to real emo, all they listen to is stuff like Chiodos, Alesana, Dashboard Confessional, Typecast, Atreyu, Chicosci, Bring Me The Horizon, Drop Dead Gorgeous, Underoath, the Used and the likes. i dunno, it's not that i'm being elitist or something, but i'm just sick of how so many people pretend to know something they don't, and become so defensive if you try to share something you learned when you were in that position so long ago.
just in case people wanna know what emo is and have no idea of what it is prior to reading this post, lemme just give a short primer.
emo was a slightly derogatory term attached to the introspective approach of hardcore punk bands like Embrace and Rites of Spring who both came out in the Washington, DC scene in 1985. some 'zine referred to their introspectively expressive spin on hardcore as "emocore". ever since, the term sort of sideways stuck throughout emo's evolution.
here's a list of notable emo/screamo bands according to era/style.
Emocore(around 1985-1987 i think) basically hardcore punk with parched singing and desperate sounding vocal delivery. the music itself was characterized by certain use of octave chords.
examples:
Rites Of Spring Embrace Husker Du
Emo (probably around 1987-1994) the emo sound was built around the earlier emocore template that brought a more cathartic dimension to punk. this time, stripped down to pure unharnessed emotional delivery characterized by beautiful use of plucked buildups and cathartic, chaotic climaxes.
examples:
Indian Summer Plunger Julia Moss Icon Don Martin 3
Hardcore Emo (in the early 90s, i think) to paraphrase Andy Radin, hardcore emo is to emo as hardcore is to hardcore punk. characterized by fast, blurry tempos and usually harsh screamed vocals.
examples:
Heroin Angel Hair Antioch Arrow early Portraits of Past Honeywell
Emo Violence a joke term coined by a band called In/Humanity, probably first played by people who listened to powerviolence alongside either emo or hardcore emo.
examples:
Jenny Piccolo In/Humanity Palatka Usurp Synapse
Screamo this is debatable, but in my opinion, screamo itself is a blend of all the previous styles of emo, implementing traits from other genres of music such as indie-rock, post-rock, and to an extent, harsher types of music such as grindcore. it has become sort of a catchall for modern emo. it has reached worldwide popularity in different parts of the world particuarly in America and Europe. screamo bands from across the world usually have regional sounds associated with them.
examples of american screamo bands:
Saetia Welcome The Plague Year Neil Perry You And I Funeral Diner Joshua Fit For Battle Hassan I Sabbah Cease Upon The Capitol Yaphet Kotto
examples of italian screamo bands:
La Quiete Raein the Death Of Anna Karina
examples of french screamo bands:
Mihai Edrisch Daitro Gantz Sed Non Satiata
examples of german screamo bands:
June Paik Tristan Tzara Louise Cyphre Einermusstot
examples of scandanavian screamo bands:
Angora Static Amalthea Shikari Marat the Manhattan Skyline Kaospilot
examples of malaysian screamo bands:
Kias Fansuri Orbitcinta Benjamin Killeur Calculateur Daghlia
examples of japanese screamo bands:
Envy Nervous Light Of Sunday Nitro Mega Prayer Dipleg
examples of philippine screamo:
Caitlyn Bailey Capulette Tigers Are Out, Bears Are In Iola Morton Means To No End
common characteristics in modern emo and screamo in the 00's, more screamo bands took advantage of the buildup and cathartic climax element of emo and blended them with post-rock, bands like City Of ------ and Envy being perfect examples of this type of emo. another common type of screamo band is the more progressive type of emo characterized by complex structures and time changes, such as Circle Takes the Square. regional traits aside, it's also noted that Canadian bands from the 90s such as Union Of Uranus and One Eyed God Prophecy soundwise did a lot to influence screamo bands such as Orchid, Reversal Of Man, and the like. it's influence can still be seen in bands as recent as the Apoplexy Twist Orchestra or the Flying Worker.
------------------------------------ a little FAQ section ------------------------------------
Q: are Dashboard Confessional or My Chemical Romance emo? A: no they are not, read the rest of the crap i posted, and you'll clearly see why
Q: but they are emotional :( A: so was my grandfater, but he isn't emo by a longshot.
Q: if they aren't emo, what are they then? A: there are 134983721948 non-emo genres out there, figure that out yourself, sherlock. that's none of my concern.
Q: what do real emo kids dress like? A: there's no such thing as an emo kid, the only emo kids are effects of gross mislabelling of bands via mainstream channels such as Spin Magazine and MTV.
Q: am i emo? A: you are not.
Q: are you emo? A: i wouldn't be caught dead in skinny jeans and scene hair, that's just dumb in my opinion.
Q: what are emo lyrics like? A: contrary to popular belief, emo lyrics aren't usually about love or being misunderstood by the cool kids in school, rather, emo lyrics tend to be rather political, such with the case of bands like Ampere and Reversal Of Man.
Q: is there such a thing as emo-goth music? A: there is no such thing, although Antioch Arrow actually did bring a little touch of goth aesthetic and goth musical flair to hardcore emo. but that's an isolated case, i guess.
Q: is there such a thing as emo-punk? A: nope, punk rock came before hardcore punk, hardcore punk is a direct descendant of punk. emo is a direct descendant of hardcore punk, so it's impossible to label anything as emo-punk given that it's a generation apart in terms of chronological order. anything that has to do with real emo in terms of music is punk, but not everything that's punk has anything to do with emo.
------------------------------------ note: the best way to understand emo is to actually give the bands a listen, so if anyone's remotely interested in learning what emo sounds like, it's best to open www.myspace.com and use the search music function with this guide or a site like fourfa.com or youdontknowemo.tk as reference.
-f.m. regalado of Caitlyn Bailey
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: digitalcyco on September 25, 2008, 03:06:29 PM
maraming magaganda na chix na pumuporma emo.
yun lng importante sa akin. hehehehe.
emo chix. :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Mardk on September 25, 2008, 03:13:40 PM
READ IT AND WEEP. damnit. how many times do i have to post and repost this.
no offense to those kids who think they're emo, but it really gets on my nerves whenever i see some kid that looks like this...
(http://www.dtbmusic.com/gallery/emo%20kids.jpg)
now, it's not that i'm getting @nal about the whole emo as a counterculture thing, but the whole emo thing started from hardcore punk in 1985 and is still a part of hardcore punk. i asked one of "those" kids about what they thought about it, they said, "pare, ang pagiging emo is emotional, emo music is music na may emotion!" and i was all, "wtf!? dude, there's no such thing as an emo culture, even if you trace it back to 1985 to 1994 and even as late as 1999 and 2003" and the only reaction i got was something like, "oo na, ang dami mo nang alam, yabang mo!" it's funny really, how insecure, image obsessed kids could latch on to a new trendy clutch so quickly. i mean, these kids don't even listen to real emo, all they listen to is stuff like Chiodos, Alesana, Dashboard Confessional, Typecast, Atreyu, Chicosci, Bring Me The Horizon, Drop Dead Gorgeous, Underoath, the Used and the likes. i dunno, it's not that i'm being elitist or something, but i'm just sick of how so many people pretend to know something they don't, and become so defensive if you try to share something you learned when you were in that position so long ago.
just in case people wanna know what emo is and have no idea of what it is prior to reading this post, lemme just give a short primer.
emo was a slightly derogatory term attached to the introspective approach of hardcore punk bands like Embrace and Rites of Spring who both came out in the Washington, DC scene in 1985. some 'zine referred to their introspectively expressive spin on hardcore as "emocore". ever since, the term sort of sideways stuck throughout emo's evolution.
here's a list of notable emo/screamo bands according to era/style.
Emocore(around 1985-1987 i think) basically hardcore punk with parched singing and desperate sounding vocal delivery. the music itself was characterized by certain use of octave chords.
examples:
Rites Of Spring Embrace Husker Du
Emo (probably around 1987-1994) the emo sound was built around the earlier emocore template that brought a more cathartic dimension to punk. this time, stripped down to pure unharnessed emotional delivery characterized by beautiful use of plucked buildups and cathartic, chaotic climaxes.
examples:
Indian Summer Plunger Julia Moss Icon Don Martin 3
Hardcore Emo (in the early 90s, i think) to paraphrase Andy Radin, hardcore emo is to emo as hardcore is to hardcore punk. characterized by fast, blurry tempos and usually harsh screamed vocals.
examples:
Heroin Angel Hair Antioch Arrow early Portraits of Past Honeywell
Emo Violence a joke term coined by a band called In/Humanity, probably first played by people who listened to powerviolence alongside either emo or hardcore emo.
examples:
Jenny Piccolo In/Humanity Palatka Usurp Synapse
Screamo this is debatable, but in my opinion, screamo itself is a blend of all the previous styles of emo, implementing traits from other genres of music such as indie-rock, post-rock, and to an extent, harsher types of music such as grindcore. it has become sort of a catchall for modern emo. it has reached worldwide popularity in different parts of the world particuarly in America and Europe. screamo bands from across the world usually have regional sounds associated with them.
examples of american screamo bands:
Saetia Welcome The Plague Year Neil Perry You And I Funeral Diner Joshua Fit For Battle Hassan I Sabbah Cease Upon The Capitol Yaphet Kotto
examples of italian screamo bands:
La Quiete Raein the Death Of Anna Karina
examples of french screamo bands:
Mihai Edrisch Daitro Gantz Sed Non Satiata
examples of german screamo bands:
June Paik Tristan Tzara Louise Cyphre Einermusstot
examples of scandanavian screamo bands:
Angora Static Amalthea Shikari Marat the Manhattan Skyline Kaospilot
examples of malaysian screamo bands:
Kias Fansuri Orbitcinta Benjamin Killeur Calculateur Daghlia
examples of japanese screamo bands:
Envy Nervous Light Of Sunday Nitro Mega Prayer Dipleg
examples of philippine screamo:
Caitlyn Bailey Capulette Tigers Are Out, Bears Are In Iola Morton Means To No End
common characteristics in modern emo and screamo in the 00's, more screamo bands took advantage of the buildup and cathartic climax element of emo and blended them with post-rock, bands like City Of ------ and Envy being perfect examples of this type of emo. another common type of screamo band is the more progressive type of emo characterized by complex structures and time changes, such as Circle Takes the Square. regional traits aside, it's also noted that Canadian bands from the 90s such as Union Of Uranus and One Eyed God Prophecy soundwise did a lot to influence screamo bands such as Orchid, Reversal Of Man, and the like. it's influence can still be seen in bands as recent as the Apoplexy Twist Orchestra or the Flying Worker.
------------------------------------ a little FAQ section ------------------------------------
Q: are Dashboard Confessional or My Chemical Romance emo? A: no they are not, read the rest of the crap i posted, and you'll clearly see why
Q: but they are emotional :( A: so was my grandfater, but he isn't emo by a longshot.
Q: if they aren't emo, what are they then? A: there are 134983721948 non-emo genres out there, figure that out yourself, sherlock. that's none of my concern.
Q: what do real emo kids dress like? A: there's no such thing as an emo kid, the only emo kids are effects of gross mislabelling of bands via mainstream channels such as Spin Magazine and MTV.
Q: am i emo? A: you are not.
Q: are you emo? A: i wouldn't be caught dead in skinny jeans and scene hair, that's just dumb in my opinion.
Q: what are emo lyrics like? A: contrary to popular belief, emo lyrics aren't usually about love or being misunderstood by the cool kids in school, rather, emo lyrics tend to be rather political, such with the case of bands like Ampere and Reversal Of Man.
Q: is there such a thing as emo-goth music? A: there is no such thing, although Antioch Arrow actually did bring a little touch of goth aesthetic and goth musical flair to hardcore emo. but that's an isolated case, i guess.
Q: is there such a thing as emo-punk? A: nope, punk rock came before hardcore punk, hardcore punk is a direct descendant of punk. emo is a direct descendant of hardcore punk, so it's impossible to label anything as emo-punk given that it's a generation apart in terms of chronological order. anything that has to do with real emo in terms of music is punk, but not everything that's punk has anything to do with emo.
------------------------------------ note: the best way to understand emo is to actually give the bands a listen, so if anyone's remotely interested in learning what emo sounds like, it's best to open www.myspace.com and use the search music function with this guide or a site like fourfa.com or youdontknowemo.tk as reference.
-f.m. regalado of Caitlyn Bailey
tl;dr.
So, ano ba talaga definition ng EMO for you sir? Definition ha, hindi yung magbibigay ka ng examples. What is emo all about? Ano ang characteristic ng emo music? What defines emo music? Ano ba ang generic content ng emo music?
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: xavier on September 25, 2008, 07:02:25 PM
demm men. sanang iniklian mo nalang mismo dun sa quote kesa na tl;dr :lol:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: digitalcyco on September 25, 2008, 07:05:04 PM
reiterate ko lang sinasagot ko palagi sa pinoy rock forum:
"music nowadays have too many genres, and too many fools."
basta lahat yan rock. yan lang importante.
just grab your guitar, and play the music you want.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: studiowan on September 25, 2008, 07:49:54 PM
So, ano ba talaga definition ng EMO for you sir? Definition ha, hindi yung magbibigay ka ng examples. What is emo all about? Ano ang characteristic ng emo music? What defines emo music? Ano ba ang generic content ng emo music?
dude wala kasing meaning ang EMO nag simula lang kasi yan sa gig ng rites of spring yung crowd na biglang nag sabi sa kanila after nung set nila na hey guys youre so EMO coz puno ng emotion yung set nila nun puro galit etc... yun dun nag start yun tukso lang siya na na-abuse wala naman talagang genre na EMO coz lahat ng kanta eh me emotion...
around 80's pa nag start to ang genre pa din nila is punk hardcore... i understand kung karamihan sa mga musikero ngayon ay di trip yung emo kasi karamihan din naman ay di alam kung san galing at kung ano yung EMO...so oks lang kung di ninyo trip me kanya kanya kasi tayong trip eh pero kung sasabihin mo na galit ka sa EMO yun ang di ko maintindihan coz para kang nag husga sa isang tao na di mo naman kilala...
So, ano ba talaga definition ng EMO for you sir? Definition ha, hindi yung magbibigay ka ng examples. What is emo all about? Ano ang characteristic ng emo music? What defines emo music? Ano ba ang generic content ng emo music?
actually, i wrote that guide and it was meant for frequent reposting.
1. emo was a joke descriptor aimed at the intensity of rites of spring's live set and personal lyrical content.
2. most emo music follows the hardcore/punk format, think thrashcore with octave chords and screaming over it. sometimes they have long intros/outros, sometimes they're just all out thrashing. sometimes they're as slow as sludge
3. emo music isn't exactly given any formal definition but the term itself has been attributed to a certain sound tied to a certain scene. some terms could be stated objectively, but with the huge variation of style and substyles within the emo genre it would be easier to define by giving a list of examples.
4. generally, emo bands tend to have introspective content and tend to dwell on personal issues. more often than not though, there is also a huge number of emo bands who have overtly political content.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: paengkee on September 25, 2008, 08:26:13 PM
So, ano ba talaga definition ng EMO for you sir? Definition ha, hindi yung magbibigay ka ng examples. What is emo all about? Ano ang characteristic ng emo music? What defines emo music? Ano ba ang generic content ng emo music?
if i try to define it wouldnt be much of a definition because there is so much space for personal error. so thats basically asking me for my opinion on the matter. who am i to define what it is anyway? or rather, who do you think i am to define it? although im sure of one thing. i know what it ISNT.
examples? arent examples enough to define something? if you took time to listen to those then you wouldnt be asking me in the first place. its called ostensive definition. An ostensive definition conveys the meaning of a term by pointing out examples. (Wittgenstein).
as for characteristic, one common thing about emo bands is DIY ethic. however, DIY ethic also exists in punk and hardcore scenes. soundwise, emo bands tend to have dynamic song structures ranging from minimalist plucked parts to chaotic, almost grindcore-like parts.
what defines emo music? thats not for me to say. its something that you just either get or you dont. althoughi first truly got into it after hearing an indian summer song and then i got curious to see what other bands exist that sound like this. "emo" is just like a post it note, a knot on the finger or a place in the filing cabinet for me to sort out and remember things i listen to.
generic content? there lies the problem of ambiguity. its not as if all emo bands have one or two general characteristics that bind all of them together. rather, bands and sounds are interrelated. instead of band a, b and c having one common trait, its more like, band a has a sound that is reminiscent of band b. and then band b has a trait that it shares with band c. and our minds assume a connection between the 3 bands.
so i dont think it would be completely wrong to define it by example because there are no total elements that bind all emo bands together.
a person travelling a country cannot easily draw a map of it. a person with a map cannot easily picture himself in the country's sights.
i say just dig in if youre curious. if not then forget about it.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: ytse_neil on September 25, 2008, 09:16:04 PM
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: chromeknive on September 25, 2008, 10:20:09 PM
Well whatever emo WAS, what emo IS now is a word used to describe a fashion trend and the-over-the-top and generally whiny music used to advertise and market it.
And that's an absolute shame. That's what America's good for- commercializing, saturating and trivializing musical movements and revolutions. The Brits rule.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Kclan on September 26, 2008, 04:23:36 AM
:-o
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: rad_12 on September 26, 2008, 07:43:19 AM
mang-chicks na lang tayo ng mga babaeng emo hehehe.... :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Mardk on September 26, 2008, 08:42:34 AM
if i try to define it wouldnt be much of a definition because there is so much space for personal error. so thats basically asking me for my opinion on the matter. who am i to define what it is anyway? or rather, who do you think i am to define it? although im sure of one thing. i know what it ISNT.
examples? arent examples enough to define something? if you took time to listen to those then you wouldnt be asking me in the first place. its called ostensive definition. An ostensive definition conveys the meaning of a term by pointing out examples. (Wittgenstein).
as for characteristic, one common thing about emo bands is DIY ethic. soundwise, emo bands tend to have dynamic song structures ranging from minimalist plucked parts to chaotic, almost grindcore-like parts.
what defines emo music? thats not for me to say. its something that you just either get or you dont. althoughi first truly got into it after hearing an indian summer song and then i got curious to see what other bands exist that sound like this. "emo" is just like a post it note, a knot on the finger or a place in the filing cabinet for me to sort out and remember things i listen to.
generic content? there lies the problem of ambiguity. its not as if all emo bands have one or two general characteristics that bind all of them together. rather, bands and sounds are interrelated. instead of band a, b and c having one common trait, its more like, band a has a sound that is reminiscent of band b. and then band b has a trait that it shares with band c. and our minds assume a connection between the 3 bands.
so i dont think it would be completely wrong to define it by example because there are no total elements that bind all emo bands together.
a person travelling a country cannot easily draw a map of it. a person with a map cannot easily picture himself in the country's sights.
i say just dig in if youre curious. if not then forget about it.
Thanks. I'll just go and listen to some blues.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: oloc on September 26, 2008, 01:01:56 PM
emotional posts indeed... :|
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: havananas on September 26, 2008, 03:54:23 PM
dude wala kasing meaning ang EMO nag simula lang kasi yan sa gig ng rites of spring yung crowd na biglang nag sabi sa kanila after nung set nila na hey guys youre so EMO coz puno ng emotion yung set nila nun puro galit etc... yun dun nag start yun tukso lang siya na na-abuse wala naman talagang genre na EMO coz lahat ng kanta eh me emotion...
around 80's pa nag start to ang genre pa din nila is punk hardcore... i understand kung karamihan sa mga musikero ngayon ay di trip yung emo kasi karamihan din naman ay di alam kung san galing at kung ano yung EMO...so oks lang kung di ninyo trip me kanya kanya kasi tayong trip eh pero kung sasabihin mo na galit ka sa EMO yun ang di ko maintindihan coz para kang nag husga sa isang tao na di mo naman kilala...+100 juz do what you want mag pa galing ka play music na gusto mo :wink:
eto pakinggan nyo. si sir pakoy. hehe. :-D mabuhay ang typecast! :evil: :evil: :evil:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: putzi on September 26, 2008, 09:59:16 PM
READ IT AND WEEP. damnit. how many times do i have to post and repost this.
no offense to those kids who think they're emo, but it really gets on my nerves whenever i see some kid that looks like this...
(http://www.dtbmusic.com/gallery/emo%20kids.jpg)
now, it's not that i'm getting @nal about the whole emo as a counterculture thing, but the whole emo thing started from hardcore punk in 1985 and is still a part of hardcore punk. i asked one of "those" kids about what they thought about it, they said, "pare, ang pagiging emo is emotional, emo music is music na may emotion!" and i was all, "wtf!? dude, there's no such thing as an emo culture, even if you trace it back to 1985 to 1994 and even as late as 1999 and 2003" and the only reaction i got was something like, "oo na, ang dami mo nang alam, yabang mo!" it's funny really, how insecure, image obsessed kids could latch on to a new trendy clutch so quickly. i mean, these kids don't even listen to real emo, all they listen to is stuff like Chiodos, Alesana, Dashboard Confessional, Typecast, Atreyu, Chicosci, Bring Me The Horizon, Drop Dead Gorgeous, Underoath, the Used and the likes. i dunno, it's not that i'm being elitist or something, but i'm just sick of how so many people pretend to know something they don't, and become so defensive if you try to share something you learned when you were in that position so long ago.
just in case people wanna know what emo is and have no idea of what it is prior to reading this post, lemme just give a short primer.
emo was a slightly derogatory term attached to the introspective approach of hardcore punk bands like Embrace and Rites of Spring who both came out in the Washington, DC scene in 1985. some 'zine referred to their introspectively expressive spin on hardcore as "emocore". ever since, the term sort of sideways stuck throughout emo's evolution.
very nice sir, +1000000! :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: putzi on September 26, 2008, 10:01:53 PM
READ IT AND WEEP. damnit. how many times do i have to post and repost this.
no offense to those kids who think they're emo, but it really gets on my nerves whenever i see some kid that looks like this...
(http://www.dtbmusic.com/gallery/emo%20kids.jpg)
now, it's not that i'm getting @nal about the whole emo as a counterculture thing, but the whole emo thing started from hardcore punk in 1985 and is still a part of hardcore punk. i asked one of "those" kids about what they thought about it, they said, "pare, ang pagiging emo is emotional, emo music is music na may emotion!" and i was all, "wtf!? dude, there's no such thing as an emo culture, even if you trace it back to 1985 to 1994 and even as late as 1999 and 2003" and the only reaction i got was something like, "oo na, ang dami mo nang alam, yabang mo!" it's funny really, how insecure, image obsessed kids could latch on to a new trendy clutch so quickly. i mean, these kids don't even listen to real emo, all they listen to is stuff like Chiodos, Alesana, Dashboard Confessional, Typecast, Atreyu, Chicosci, Bring Me The Horizon, Drop Dead Gorgeous, Underoath, the Used and the likes. i dunno, it's not that i'm being elitist or something, but i'm just sick of how so many people pretend to know something they don't, and become so defensive if you try to share something you learned when you were in that position so long ago.
just in case people wanna know what emo is and have no idea of what it is prior to reading this post, lemme just give a short primer.
emo was a slightly derogatory term attached to the introspective approach of hardcore punk bands like Embrace and Rites of Spring who both came out in the Washington, DC scene in 1985. some 'zine referred to their introspectively expressive spin on hardcore as "emocore". ever since, the term sort of sideways stuck throughout emo's evolution.
very nice sir, +1000000! :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: levitate on September 27, 2008, 07:17:53 AM
I like emo music... for a time, I even sported an emo looking haircut..for 8 months... its just the look... But I like Yngwie Malmsteen and liempo as well.. :-D..hehehehe
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: AljonGuzman on June 02, 2009, 12:28:08 PM
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: am i clear? on June 02, 2009, 01:11:11 PM
Lahat tayo naghahanap ng venue kung saan magiging tanggap tayo at pare-pareho tayong magkakaintindihan.
Kung dun nila nakita yun, let it be, bakit may masama ba silang nagagawa sa inyo? Totoo pa nga nyan eh, kayo pang bashers ang gumagawa ng masama sa kanila eh.
I love EMO-related music, masarap silang pakinggan. Todo emote pa nga minsan eh.
Yup, tama naging Fad na nga yang EMO culture. The way one dress, the way one speaks his mind is part of his/her rights. As well, as you BASHERs, rights nyo din yan.
Wag lang sana masyadong magbigay ng harsh na komento o aksyon against them.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Jejan on June 02, 2009, 01:36:16 PM
To tell you the truth. There's no such thing as emo bands. You can call Celine Dion emo, and other artists emo. But there's no emo bands. Give an example of an emo band. "MCR"? Nah they're not emo. They're just dressed like that because that's what they are. But for me, "emotional music" is much MUCH better than metal. You wanna know why? It's because of the melody. For me, heavy metal bands just shout and that's it. You can never understand the lyrics when he's screaming them. I really like Bullet For My Valentine, because they're metal but their songs are really good. Solos are damn awesome too. I don't really like the vocalist to shout all the time and not sing like a real vocalist.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 02, 2009, 01:56:04 PM
Showing off is the fool's idea of glory - Bruce Lee That's what I see among "EMO's", puro porma. As for me, my view on EMO Music is that it's expressive and very nice. :-D
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: killjom on June 02, 2009, 10:03:06 PM
But for me, "emotional music" is much MUCH better than metal. You wanna know why? It's because of the melody. For me, heavy metal bands just shout and that's it. You can never understand the lyrics when he's screaming them. I really like Bullet For My Valentine, because they're metal but their songs are really good. Solos are damn awesome too. I don't really like the vocalist to shout all the time and not sing like a real vocalist.
would have believed you until you put in Bullet For My Valentine, and suddenly you lost credibility.
for someone who doesnt listen to metal, you sure are quick to judge the genre.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: dudeofdude on June 02, 2009, 10:18:15 PM
i think emo is a word used to describe individuals or groups, its not about the music anymore, it's a whole sub-culture of trend. "emo music" for me is made of redundant chord progressions, tasteless riffing and whiny vocals.
all songs have their emotions, i don't know why you have to label certain music emotional when all music have their own emotions. remember boyz2men? their songs are sadder than holocaust but i wouldn't call their music emo.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: saijo on June 02, 2009, 10:21:16 PM
@ AljonGuzman,nice job on bringing this thread back..and its your first post too..Well played sir.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: ninjeremy on June 02, 2009, 11:27:26 PM
Quote
i think emo is a word used to describe individuals or groups, its not about the music anymore, it's a whole sub-culture of trend.
For some reason I agree with your point. Have once overheard two "emo looking" teenagers talking about how they hate punk :lol:
Best, NINJeremy
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: wh1t33rick on June 03, 2009, 09:33:12 AM
I think sub-cultures sprout because of a certain form of genre, in which case there exist emo which doesnt have definitions yet to conclude for that matter, that happened to punk before IMHO :lol:
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: odessa on June 03, 2009, 11:35:06 AM
In my own opinion, EMO is just music-infused fashion, or the other way around. We used to have Glam Rock (short for glamour rock), as in David Bowie, Marc Bolan & T. Rex, Elton John, The New York Dolls, Ian Hunter & Mott The Hoople and many more. I think Glam Rock mutated to New Wave and New Wave to EMO. Things very descriptive of them during performances are the theatrical costumes, flambouyant lyrics and outrageous stage presence. Just my opinion. I may be wrong, I may be right.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: domengshu on June 03, 2009, 12:16:49 PM
My first impression on Emo was this was the genre when punk and hardcore got mashed up - this was when I discovered Finch, Thursday and the like. But hey, right now it looks like Emo is fashion and culture, just like Glam and Punk, only the music that accompanies the culture has become broad..
And I think it has become too broad to identify music that is Emo .
Just recently I was listening to some Smashing Pumpkins - Landslide and Tonight, Tonight, and someone commented that they were Emo. :?
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: daryl090804 on June 03, 2009, 01:44:08 PM
I remember this one time, a kid on the LRT talking about his friend's shirt.
Kid 1: Pare, ok yang t-shirt mo, Cradle of Filth Kid 2: Oo tol, emo yan. Naglalagay pa nga ng makeup mga yan e.
:?
Emo's become such a trend that it's not even funny anymore.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: marcus_gloom on June 03, 2009, 01:57:56 PM
As guitarist, IMO, emo is just cleaned down punk, modernized into a form of contemporary pop rock music. Power chords, pa mute-mute, pa pause-pause, to make the bagsakan dynamic and interesting. Sa gitara yun.
Un lyrics, any form of rock music has "emotional" lyrics. Please dont equate the Smashing Pumpkins, Nirvana and other earlier artists/bands to these new acts, they are ROCK.
Ok naman ang Emo, music pa rin, cool sa mga kids, uso e. May ilang acts na ok at nag sh-shine, but im afraid the many copycats kinda cheapens the art of the genre. Personally, ok sa tenga ko ang dashboard and paramore. Locally, typecast has the coolest guitar riffs around.
Title: Re: Guitarists' view on Emo music
Post by: Jejan on June 05, 2009, 11:36:23 AM
For me. Emo music is okay. Because it has meaning and it is very melodic. You gotta love those emotional lines. But other people misunderstood emo and they thought that it's all about the looks. I mean, they made an image to emo music and it led to bad results. It ended up hating the emo bands and there's discrimination. There are emo bands in the 80's and 90's but they didn't wore make up. :D
Emo people where's this (IMHO)
-Long bangs covering one eye and short hair at the back and spikey -Fat framed black square glasses -Eyeliner -Contact Lens (Optional) -Small black t-shirt (Extra Small for slim people) -Studded belt (two of them at the same time) -Black skinny jeans (the one that'll make you look like a scuba diver) -Black Vans slip-ons/Chuck Taylor (Worn out)
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Post by: rayannsupershredder on June 05, 2009, 12:03:34 PM
EMO? magdrama na lang kyo... 8-) teka way back in the 90's emotional yung lyrics ng bandang pearl jam ah..
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Post by: charles_h on June 05, 2009, 04:57:41 PM
mali ang conception ng mga tao sa emo e. ang tingin ng iba basta madrama, emo na kagad. uh, hello? narinig niyo na ba ung honestly ng harem scarem? may mas-eemo pa ba dun?? :P
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Post by: tweenty-seven on June 05, 2009, 05:03:34 PM
EMO? magdrama na lang kyo... 8-) teka way back in the 90's emotional yung lyrics ng bandang pearl jam ah..
Yup..but PJ's lyrics are more often than not encourages survival and standing up for what is right and not being stereotyped :mrgreen:
Well biased lang talaga siguro ako :lol:
Best, NINJeremy
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Post by: dehinsss on June 06, 2009, 04:08:42 AM
as you develop your God given talents for months after purchasing your first guitar, you reach a crossroad where you can go play whatever you enjoy listening to, or you yearn to unravel all the mysteries of heavy metal, and extreme guitar, and musicianship; maybe even professionalism. but sometimes the estrogen inside every man gets the better of him and you end up with emo. it may be permanent; it may be periodic. good or bad. its up to you :mrgreen:
i think it sucks for a male guitar player to be in an emo band
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Post by: poknas on June 06, 2009, 07:48:37 AM
its more like an expression...
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Post by: calculon on June 06, 2009, 08:33:40 AM
imo,take note"imo" emo is lame yes lame!!! 8-)
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Post by: ascendancy28 on June 18, 2009, 06:43:06 PM
emo is so [strawberry] gay
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Post by: ninejuicyjulius on June 19, 2009, 01:11:41 AM
Anak ng tokwa. 37 pages na at ayaw pa ring mag-move on ng mga tao sa emo. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by: p2ltronilogd on June 19, 2009, 10:35:58 AM
here we go again... it's the same stuff all over!
emo was a good genre until those frickin posers ruined it and thus not only making it a genre but a fashion too which is kinda stupid...
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Post by: inot1105 on June 22, 2009, 04:53:02 PM
It's cool to have another genre added to the numerous sub-genres of rock.
Hearing so emo fanatics label other metal bands as emo, kinda makes me point out to them that they're wrong... that rock songs with emotions are already emo?.. e lahat naman ng songs were written with certain emotions di ba.
Well, kung ano man yun mga reasons or categories or classifications ng songs... be it nursery rhymes to grind-core-gothic-metal shambawamba... as long as it sounds good & catchy... then I consider it a hit.
...walang... share ko lang.
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Post by: metalheadrew on June 24, 2009, 09:55:09 PM
OK naman ang emo . . nagkaruo lang to ng baduy impression dahil . nauso at isa [a naging fashion trend na din ,.. . taz nagkaruon ng mga OA na emo . .im not impying to the music . ung emong tao . . . isa pa un sa mga nagpabaduy . pero emo music is ok naman . . . .with the loud band and catchy tunes . :mrgreen:
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Post by: Jejan on June 25, 2009, 03:34:20 AM
Yep. Emo music is all about catchy tunes, dramatic break-up lyrics and all black fashion. But we shouldn't really judge a band just by their looks. If some of you cannot adjust to what other bands are doing, then I guess that you're just close minded. Yeah their outfits are kinda cheesy but for me, they're really expressing their music with their wardrobe. For example, will the song "Helena" have life without their suits? I guess not. Imagine them playing the song in normal clothes like medium sized green shirt, straight cut faded jeans and basketball shoes. :) I guess, "walang dating yung kanta". Hehe.
Well, that's just my view on Emo music with emo clothes. HAHAHA!
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Post by: rolexm on June 26, 2009, 02:35:25 PM
Emo music is cool, screw the subculture.
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Post by: gitarakista27 on June 27, 2009, 06:34:44 AM
haba ng thread na to ah! heheheh
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Post by: ermonski on June 27, 2009, 08:29:08 AM
I remember this one time, a kid on the LRT talking about his friend's shirt.
Kid 1: Pare, ok yang t-shirt mo, Cradle of Filth Kid 2: Oo tol, emo yan. Naglalagay pa nga ng makeup mga yan e.
:?
Emo's become such a trend that it's not even funny anymore.
FAIL
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Post by: bashpaperheart on June 28, 2009, 12:04:43 AM
+1000 for Sir p2ltronilogd.
they're turning it to a Fashion statement.
pag-"one sided" ung hair mo, Emo ka.
pag nakablack daw, Emo ka.
pero just like you sirs said, music pa rin un. Sa teenagers na katulad ko, EMO na pag-sad yung lyrics. But they're a lot of songs that talking bout breakups and stuff! Diba? I just say to myself, "kung musician ka, you should listen to different kinds of music. Para gumaling ka, makinig ka nan, kahit pa Secondhand Serenade yan."
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Post by: paranoid on June 28, 2009, 12:21:25 AM