Post by: KitC on April 21, 2007, 01:29:47 PM
I know this thread will get unusually long so I will be adding to it as time progresses. Any pertinent info will be added to this initial post and I suggest that anyone posting new questions refer to this first post so we can avoid duplication.
Let's start...
One of the most important considerations when choosing a pc for recording happens to be not the pc, but the SOFTWARE.
Strange, but true. It is the software that determines what soundcard you will use, and what the minimum requirements are for running that software. Word of advice about minimum requirements... follow that and your pc/software combi will function, but just barely. You need to factor something like 150% of the minimum just to have something workable; so if the minimum cpu is 1 GHz, you really need at least 1.5 GHz to be able to do any real work... 200% to 300% of minimum is suggested.
Software also determines the platform you will use. Sonar, Audition, Wavelab and Soundforge are strictly pc while Logic, Digital Performer, Bias Peak and Soundhack are mac. ProTools, Cubase and Nuendo are dual-platform applications. Let's not turn this thread into a mac vs. pc thread because, in my view, these are nothing but tools... machines that are designed for a purpose. Each has it's strengths and weaknesses and I'd rather we concentrate on how we can maximize the usefulness of these tools. No mac vs. pc flame wars, get it?
Now that you've decided your software, if you do some digging into its feature, you will often find a list of compatible soundcards that go with it. Please, please choose a soundcard with a known compatibility. If you decide to use that cheap 300 peso CMI soundcard or USB cdrking sound dongle, your on your own. I have nothing against using inexpensive gear but often you will find that support is sometimes non-existent or that drivers are POS and are hardly updated. To add insult to injury, the performance of these cheap cards are often not up to par and sound quality often suffers. You CAN use these cards (I did not say you can't), but you will have to work extra hard to get even demo quality sound from them so if you decide to go that route, don't forget that I told you so. I have used soundblaster cards early in my delvings into digital audio and over the years, my ears have become attuned to what they can do well, and what they cannot. I will say that blasters are good for learning the craft.
Now, finally, the pc...
So you got your software and you've chosen your soundcard... now what? Put it all in that pre-assembled pc and then click on that record button in your software and hope you nail that perfect take? NOT!
Most pre-assembled pcs skimp on some important very important parts like the motherboard, ram, vidcard, power supply... you name it. Even Dells are guilty of this fact plus, pre-assembleds are more tuned towards office applications and the occasional game or 2. Audio pcs are a different breed. Audio pcs eschew 3D video performance in favor of increased audio capability. Capabilities like low latency, high track counts, quiet operation and very good 2D screen redraw performance (playback of movie videos is also a consideration for post production suites).
Some soundcards are also picky about the motherboard chipset. Research well on the chipsets that go with your soundcard. You don't want a repeat of that Via debacle that happened with soundblasters. Via chipsets starting with the KT166 were horrible with computer audio; it was only with the K8T800 Pro chipset that Via redeemed itself. Intel chipsets were stable with the i865 chipset, but the i915 and i925 were disappointing for some; the present 975XBX and 965P chipsets are proving to be very good performers. Nforce chipsets were quite good up to Nforce3, the Nforce4 was a disappointment plus the combination of pcie proved to be a real problem. If you already have chosen your software, it pays to lurk in their user forums since they often post which motherboards work well - that's how I happened to choose my present day N3 mobo.
So what does this mean for most pc-based platforms? DIY systems are the way to go. You get to choose your own parts and you can most likely get the best and most compatible components for your needs. At times you can save a lot by going DIY but you then have the responsibility of installing the OS, tweaking it for audio and installing all the software and hardware; a process that can take 2 or 3 days at least. Mac users have it easy, their machines just work out of the box but they have to pay for that ease of use (I call it the 2:1 ratio but lets not go into that).
There are lots more to discuss but let's take it one step at a time.
Post by: stilljey on April 22, 2007, 04:04:55 AM
Post by: KitC on April 22, 2007, 04:13:00 AM
thanks sir kit 2 ur wonderful n gracious tips, so if i decide to have protools as my software, i compulsary upgrade my processor from P4 to Core Duo? (base on what i read sa forum na ito, whewww....!! ang haba nga eh way back 2006..enjoy naman) and what soundcard do you prefer for PT.
PT is a closed system. You cannot use any soundcard other than Digidesign hardware for PT HD systems and PT LE, or M-Audio cards for PT M-Powered. If you want to experiment with PT Free, it only works with Win 98/ME only.
Post by: jaime on April 22, 2007, 05:27:52 AM
PM nng po sir KIT TY
Post by: nicolle on April 22, 2007, 08:15:53 AM
do you have an office? i was thinking if it is possible for us to request for a hands-on demo on how to set up our pc for recording...a lot of postings are too complicated for me...it would be easier if i watch how you do it....
thanks a lot!
Post by: KitC on April 22, 2007, 10:43:29 AM
An alternative to your 1/8" problem is to fashion some 'adapter' plugs, sort of like a mini patchbay. Most electronics stores carry stereo 1/8" to mono RCA y-cables; I suggest connecting these semi-permanently to your soundcard and just use the rca connections as your 'point-of-contact' with other gear like mixers - just add rca to 1/4" adapters if needed. It's much cheaper to replace these y-cables than a soundcard.
@nicolle - my 'office' is a midi project studio which sorta resides in my bedroom, the end result of downsizing on gear and the direct result of going virtual. There are plans of relocating to a place more conducive for visitors, so to speak. I can, however, set up a sort of demo in collaboration with BAMF at his studio over at Sto. Domingo. PM me your location and maybe we can figure something out.
Post by: nicolle on April 24, 2007, 03:26:05 AM
@ jaime - if you look around the classifieds, you might be able to grab a deal on a very good soundcard like M-Audio. The M-Audio 2496 is a very good card for the money although brand new cards will set you back twice your intended budget, it comes standard with RCA I/O (note that the s/pdif digital connections are RCA also). A very good alternative is the Behringer UCA202 which is USB2 and has RCA I/O but it is usually bundled with other Behri products. Someone is offering the Behri FCA202 which is a firewire equivalent of the UCA; if your pc has firewire, I recommend this card but there are a few caveats about onboard firewire, namely, Via firewire chipsets on most mobos are notorious for poor handling of audio so be forewarned.
An alternative to your 1/8" problem is to fashion some 'adapter' plugs, sort of like a mini patchbay. Most electronics stores carry stereo 1/8" to mono RCA y-cables; I suggest connecting these semi-permanently to your soundcard and just use the rca connections as your 'point-of-contact' with other gear like mixers - just add rca to 1/4" adapters if needed. It's much cheaper to replace these y-cables than a soundcard.
@nicolle - my 'office' is a midi project studio which sorta resides in my bedroom, the end result of downsizing on gear and the direct result of going virtual. There are plans of relocating to a place more conducive for visitors, so to speak. I can, however, set up a sort of demo in collaboration with BAMF at his studio over at Sto. Domingo. PM me your location and maybe we can figure something out.
hi!
thanks a lot...maybe the demo at BAMF studio at Sto. Domingo would be fine for a start. is there a fee?
Post by: redcomet_m on April 24, 2007, 03:44:10 PM
well, i believe Master KitC is a very reasonable man to negotiate with nicole, im sure you could work something out
So to continue KitC's insightful narratives, lets start with memory. If you have the budget get maximum memory that youre mobo can handle although i doubt it will help since the program is 32bit and XP is 32bit unless you work on a 64bit OS and 64bit proc. Id suggest dual core proc as it helps with real time performance.
With regards to hard drives, do simple but clean disk management. Its better to have a system drive, a programs drive and a project/files drive. Disk size is upto you since you have the money not me. But id do settle for a huuuugggeeee project/files drive because all of the biggest data will be handled there. And it doubles as a swap disk to so...oh and get the latest i believe its sata.
Externals are ok but even FW800 cannot match SATA II perf unless youre the mobile type.
Graphics card...hmm do we need that? I dunno, can onboard grpx handle sound editing. Maybe KitC has an answer.
Now thats PC users, Mac users...buy an IMAC, external drive and external audio interface and your done :) if you could, boost your memory. Thats all folks
Post by: KitC on April 24, 2007, 05:21:40 PM
I'd like to add that although XP is a 32-bit OS, most (if not all) audio programs in the windows platform still operate at 32 bit with the exception of Sonar which is 64-bit ready. In terms of RAM, this mean the OS can only address a maximum of 4 gigs (actually 3.2 gig addressable) and you have to use the 3 gig 'switch' because XP only recognizes 2 gig by default. Does this mean the end of the world for audio usage? No. Because unless you are streaming huge samples from ram, 2 gigs is actually more than enough. One can actually work at 512 megs, but you will have to trim down the amount of background services so that you gain more ram real estate.
About SATA drives... early motherboard implementation of sata often caused problems with audio devices. This is because of how the host controller interface 'sat' on top of the pci bus allowing the drive to communicate with the entire system. The Nforce2 mobos were a 'victim' of this implementation that's why it was often recommended to go PATA with Nforce2. Present day mobos don't suffer from this design quirk
anymore.
I'd go with redcomet's advice on having a separate system and data drive. Not a single drive partitioned into 2 drives, but 2 physical drives. Also have some means of storing data. Right now, cdr's are the safest bet but use known media. Writable dvds are becoming popular as a storage medium but there are reports that these don't hold data as long as cdr's. When in doubt, use branded media manufactured by a reputable firm. (There are branded fakes, however, like branded TDK's and Verbatims but when you go into the manufacturing details, these were often manufactured by a particular taiwanese firm/s. They're easy to spot since they're so cheap.... And stay away from generics!)
Graphics? Decide early on if you're building a gaming machine or an audio workstation since high end video cards are notorious for stealing all available processing bandwidth. Onboard graphics are becoming more powerful, but they often share onboard ram and they sometimes have limited resolutions, like you may have a 19" monitor but if your graphics can only do 1024 x 800, that's simply a waste of monitor real estate. You will want higher resolutions if you want to see more of your work. Interestingly, going multiple monitors is increasingly becoming the standard way of working as it allows you to have a track view on one screen and a console/mixer view on the other - a very efficient way of working sometimes. One more thing, audio applications DO NOT need flashy 3D graphics capabilities but often require very good 2D performance; Matrox vidcards are often good in this regard.
Post by: redcomet_m on April 24, 2007, 07:32:15 PM
ive searched among the plethora of local websites and ive summed up the items indicated and came up with a conservative estimate. The CPU alone will cost you round 40k-ish. pretty decent so here are the candidates:
2.16GHZ core2duo: 11500
gigabyte 965GM-S2: 7400
GEIL 2GB PC-533: 7000
Seagate 160x2: 6000
320: 5000
INNO3D GT 7300LE: 2300
total: 39K smackers
Again this is pretty conservative, you could still trim this down if you decide to settle for Pentium D or AMD AM2, or get one IDE DISK so you would have enough leg room to buy a new monitor if you dont want to use your ol' crappy crt monitor. Man sarap magbuo :) though my purpose is very much different than this, pegging my choice around 55k, i felt that pro audio and pro graphics isnt that very far apart in terms of budgeting a workstation.
Anyway, we could still argue on this since there might be issues.
Post by: KitC on April 26, 2007, 11:54:45 AM
Is that an E6400? You might want to check out the E6x20 series as well as the E4420. From what I've been reading lately, these are going to be priced quite close to the existing E6x00 series and will feature larger L2 cache, which also means that the older 6x00 should be experiencing a price drop! This is a good time to go C2D.
The Gigabyte is a nice board but has only 2 pci slots. I tend to favor at least 3 pci slots especially if your soundcards are still pci based. If you are using firewire, get a TI-based firewire card since most onboard firewire is based on the problematic Via chipset. Gigabyte, I believe, uses TI firewire chips but I've read about some lower end Gigabyte mobos that do not, so YMMV. The Gigabyte P965-DS3 is a good 3-slot mobo; don't confuse it with the DS3P mobo which eschews one pci slot in favor of another 16x pcie slot, an allusion to dual video Crossfire support.
Post by: bindoy on April 26, 2007, 12:01:02 PM
Post by: redcomet_m on April 26, 2007, 01:08:41 PM
The only downside is if they change the slots of the mobos, but thats a different issue.
Hmm 2 pci slots...well i would like em clean and lean but anyway its just a matter of preference and consider the size of audiocards(professional) that youll insert. You would want to put some distance between em and the Vid card. Its always good to let those things breathe.
Anyway regarding PC wirefire, im always finnicky on them on-board firewire. Id rather have something 3rd party like SIIG or ADS PYRO, but theyre pricey and hard to find locally.
To add, i didnt include a power supply, i dunno if 300watts is enough, though based on experiece id buy a decent powersupply paired with a reliable UPS. So maybe 10k more on that prized estimate
Post by: xjepoyx on April 26, 2007, 01:16:31 PM
Re: PSU's Dual Cores and specially Quad Cores... YOU NEED more than 500watts.
Post by: KitC on April 26, 2007, 01:45:05 PM
I was looking prices for the E4300 and was pleased to find them already in the P6k range with the E6320 already listed at P9k. The New Barcelona core will definitely make dual core prices drop and maybe even Intel's QX cores will plunge soon. Pretty soon, somebody will be making 16-core cpus that will give rise to the T1000 Terminator. (Ah'll be bahk! 8-) )
I long for those days when pci cards like the Aardvard were shielded from internal EMI and RFI, looks like external is the way to go. For sheer track count, pci is still the game in town; I just wonder why it's taking manufacturers a long time to make pcie versions... I predict the next NAMM or Musik Messe will bring out pcie flavors of soundcards. My guess, though, is that pcie performance is really slanted towards video which is why audio manufacturers are slow in putting out pcie soundcards and mostly concentrating on FW and USB2.0 versions; less hassle in trying to fight head on with video.
As for onboard FW? It seems RME have done a good job adapting their Fireface 800/400 to Via firewire but like all things with Via and audio, YMMV. I'd rather go the safe route and get a TI chipset anytime. AFAIK, the Gigabyte mobos usually feature TI firewire chipsets, one of the reasons the Gigabytes are so appealing to me; got my sights set on their P965-DS3 or DQ6 (which is 2 slots but I researched its IRQ allocations already), my other alternative is the Asus P5B Deluxe or even the P5B-E (I much rather prefer the P5WDH though). A dark horse in the running is the DFI Infinity P965 Dark-S which is quite inexpensive; although more known for gaming, DFI boards have very good overclocking potential plus it has 3 pci slots. A much darker horse is the Asus Commando RoG P965 mobo which has 4 :-o pci slots! This mobo is decidedly built for gaming so I can't comment on how well it will mesh with audio. Tempting though...
Get a 500W branded PSU, you won't regret it. I have a CM 350W PSU and a HEC 500W, my present A64 3200+ MSI Neo2 Plat behaves much better at 500 watts than at 350, and that's with 2 drives and 2 soundcards (Emu 1820m and DSP Factory). The new C2D are recommended at 500w to begin with.
UPS are a necessity now. A sudden blackout the other day made it clear how lucky i was to have my APC. Even a battery backup will do; I use the APC ES500 and it has saved me thru a lot of power outages - my hard disks love me for it..
Post by: KitC on April 26, 2007, 01:53:25 PM
Post by: xjepoyx on April 26, 2007, 10:08:13 PM
Jepoy! Hay nako! Another socket in the mix... :roll: I wonder what Socket G, H, I... and Z will look like (Socket Z feat. 1M pinless, cube-core design with liquid nitrogen cooling :lol: ).
uu nga eh! GAS Attack na naman to malamang! hehehe
Post by: stanley on April 29, 2007, 05:08:31 AM
Post by: KitC on April 29, 2007, 10:32:58 AM
Seeing as this thread is for setting up a pc recording solution, it would be better if you started a new thread or maybe even just read through some of the previous threads. Your scenario is usually called In-The-Box (ITB) mixing by some publications and a lot of people work in that manner and produce good results. The subject is very broad, however, and it will easily take up quite a few pages. Have a look through the Tweakheadz guides, especially the part on mixing (http://tweakheadz.com/perfect_mix.html) and surf on over to the Bruce A. Miller Audio Course (http://bruceamiller.us/bamaudioschool_com/index.html) (don't worry, it's free). Also, try to get some copies of Mix, Recording, Sound on Sound, and other music publications since they often have articles on mixing and mastering.
Post by: stanley on May 03, 2007, 02:10:22 AM
Post by: bindoy on May 03, 2007, 09:55:33 AM
stanley,
Seeing as this thread is for setting up a pc recording solution, it would be better if you started a new thread or maybe even just read through some of the previous threads. Your scenario is usually called In-The-Box (ITB) mixing by some publications and a lot of people work in that manner and produce good results. The subject is very broad, however, and it will easily take up quite a few pages. Have a look through the Tweakheadz guides, especially the part on [/url=http://tweakheadz.com/perfect_mix.html]mixing[/url] and surf on over to the Bruce A. Miller Audio Course (http://bruceamiller.us/bamaudioschool_com/index.html) (don't worry, it's free). Also, try to get some copies of Mix, Recording, Sound on Sound, and other music publications since they often have articles on mixing and mastering.
salamat po dito sir kitC...grabe...malaking tulong to....gbu
Post by: stanley on May 04, 2007, 04:20:57 AM
Post by: KitC on May 04, 2007, 10:09:21 AM
Sir Kit C, i see that u are a Sonar guy also, what is best and compatible soundcard/interface to my Sonar 6, yung affordable he-he-he.
I would like to say that I seem to have gravitated more towards Sonar recently simply because it's midi features were what I found to be compatible with the way I work; I've no qualms about using other DAW software since their functionalities are similar anyway.
I have had success using soundblasters with Sonar, if affordable is foremost in your requirements. The M-Audio 2496 is also quite stable with the added bonus that it lets you use PT MP. As long as you are not simultaneously multitracking more than 2 channels, these 2 cards will definitely do the job. Soundblasters have an added bonus in that they use soundfonts natively, but you can download rgcaudio's sfz, a free soundfont player if you decide on something other than a 'blaster.
Post by: stanley on May 05, 2007, 04:04:12 AM
Post by: KitC on May 06, 2007, 11:08:50 AM
Post by: Boddhisattva on May 08, 2007, 08:05:50 AM
I bought an Emu 1212 and have been using it since last month just for listening (not yet for recording). One time I tried to use Sonar LE, the bundled software and I realized that it wouldn't sound off midi files because there was no softsynth installed. 3650guy tried to help me install his softsynth but we were not successful. Any tips?
WENDEL
Post by: KitC on May 08, 2007, 09:44:02 AM
Since the Emu has no onboard soundfont synth, you could use the Roland TTS-1 built into Sonar (does the LE version have it?). Load the tutorial, open the DXi rack and load TTS-1, then assign all midi tracks to TTS-1.
You can 'fool' Sonar into making it default to using using the first softsynth it loads by making sure NO MIDI OUTPUT DEVICES are activated or highlighted in Midi Options. Now, whenever you load a tutorial then load TTS-1, all midi tracks will be assigned to the softsynth. This behavior will be lost whenever you activate a midi output port in Midi Options, however. If you need to have permanent hardware midi output configuration, esp. if you have a lot of midi ports, just create a template project file with TTS-1 (or whatever softsynth you have) already loaded and pre-assigned to midi tracks.
Post by: Boddhisattva on May 08, 2007, 10:43:33 AM
Bought the 1212 for 150$. Good deal na, no?
Post by: stratman1 on May 08, 2007, 12:50:17 PM
Post by: KitC on May 08, 2007, 01:13:25 PM
Teynks Kit. Tagal na natin di nagkikita.
Bought the 1212 for 150$. Good deal na, no?
Very good deal, Wendel. Sayang lang you missed out on their $99 sale. did you get the newer v2 version? you can tell its v2 if it has no firewire port. were you able to configure it properly? kung medyo nahihilo ka na sa patchmix, just give me a call.
@stratman1 - try PMing or calling starfugger. she's a known UAD user.
Post by: Boddhisattva on May 08, 2007, 01:25:24 PM
Post by: KitC on May 08, 2007, 01:39:31 PM
Post by: stanley on May 09, 2007, 04:08:32 AM
Post by: KitC on May 09, 2007, 10:33:13 AM
Sir kit. can a Soundblaster for Sonar give a professional sound result.
If you mean truly professional, no. It's the soundcard's analog-to-digital converters that are important for professional sounding results. Soundblaster's typically use consumer oriented parts (translated: low cost) which often have passable performance, and their clocks have a relatively high amount of jitter in comparison with cards dedicated to recording. The first thing you will notice when going from a soundblaster to a 'pro' card is lower noise floor, better stereo imaging and more detail.
Does this mean you can't record with a blaster? No. You can make demo quality recordings with it. If your recording is mostly midi/softsynths/soundfonts with minimal audio recording, the soundblaster will fit that bill very well.
Post by: stanley on May 10, 2007, 04:36:26 AM
Post by: KitC on May 10, 2007, 10:46:09 AM
Pro soundcards also have the ability to capture at high sample rates, very important for detail esp. in the high frequencies. One more thing, drivers are essential with a pro soundcard. Creative asio drivers often have poor audio recording performance that's why enthusiasts (like kxproject) have developed drivers with better performance - it will not overstep the soundblaster's converters, however.
On the output side, consumer cards were meant for ADEQUATE playback performance; the ordinary consumer will not hear detail that most pro cards are capable of. Why is detail important? When you are mixing music, it is supposed to be played back from a lowly mp3 player up to seriously audiophile hifi speakers. Guess what kind of speakers the critics and reviewers usually own. You also want the soundcard to reproduce faithfully what was recorded.
What soundcard will give a pro sounding result? That's not so easy to answer as all will state that theirs give professional results; consult published and online reviews so you can make an educated decision.
Post by: stanley on May 10, 2007, 03:26:19 PM
Post by: spazzkid on May 11, 2007, 01:29:22 AM
very well said, if i decide 2 go for pro soundcard/interface, my sequencer should also be replace bcause of compatibility, ganun ba sir?if youre using reason, FL, cubase, etc for sequencing theres no need to replace it as it will support a higher end soundcard/interface.
Post by: stanley on May 12, 2007, 02:53:57 AM
Post by: spazzkid on May 12, 2007, 03:47:38 AM
Post by: jv21 on May 12, 2007, 06:59:30 AM
tnx a lot!
Post by: KitC on May 12, 2007, 11:17:15 AM
sir kitz, to be more specific, pde po b kaung magbigay ng example ng isang magandang pc set up? or kau ba sir ano po gmet nyo? anong soundcard, speaker, processor, etc..
past systems include:
pentium 166 mmx (upped to 233) with 64 megs sram, Intel 430 tx, soundblaster awe32 and sblive, cakewalk PA8
athlon xp 1700+ asus A7n266vm, 256 megs ddr, sblive from previous system, Sonar 4 & Cubase SL2
sempron 2600+ msi k7n2 delta ilsr, 512 megs geil ddr, terratec dmx 6fire & sblive, Sonar 4 & Cubase SL2
present system: msi k8n neo2 platinum, athlon64 3200+, 512 megs geil, emu 1820m yamaha dsp factory 2416, Sonar 4PE 5PE 6PE, Project 5 V2, Cubase SL2, Samplitude V8 SE, Cubase VST 5.1, EmulatorX V1.5
future planned system: core 2 duo (maybe 4300 muna) based on gigabyte ga965P dq6
Post by: gjuanengo on May 12, 2007, 12:27:08 PM
Setting up a DAW.
1. Start with the components, always try to get the components with the LOWEST LATENCY possible; that includes ram my boys. (Not only do gamers need fast ram, so do DAWS)
2. Start with no less than 1GB of ram, you'll need the buffer space. I have 2GB in my machine and sometimes it does run low when doing heavy processing.
3. Get a RAID array. RAID 0 for speed on your main drive (i.e. the system drive) to speed up disk activity and will help take some stress of the ram. Remember, the faster the data gets into the disk, the better. (since it takes the stress off the RAM)
4. QUIET COOLING. Youre running an audio station, you need silence. Dont go with generic fans, try to get fans with fluid bearings or dual ball bearings at the very least. (Panaflo gans win here) and try to get big fans that turn slower, since the pump out the same amount or more air at less noise.
5. Setup your BIOS properly. Turn off shadowing, as this improves performance for games, adds more latency to other devices (i.e. PCI BUS, which takes the heat for audio).
6. Disable devices that you dont use, less devices equals more processing power free for use.
7. Turn off fancy graphics. The less graphics your screen has to display, the more ram and processor power you have free for more important tasks.
8. Turn off system sounds and alerts. same reason.
9. Try to get components with the LEAST amount of onboard convenience. (i.e. onboard video is a no-no, it runs the processing through the CPU before the VGA. Onboard sound is also a no-no, youre using a high-end or at least an upgrade card, you dont need audio)
10. Place the Sound card/device on the FARTHEST pci slot available, this distances it from the video card (which does produce quite a lot of noise) and keeps it isolated from the noisier devices up in that region of the mobo.
Post by: KitC on May 12, 2007, 02:33:38 PM
Raid is nice to have for fast HD throughput, but not entirely necessary for audio unless you are streaming loads of samples from HD or your magnum opus is already 120 tracks of 24/96 audio and counting. Video has a higher demand on HD throughput so a raid array is much more needed there. What is completely necessary is having more than 1 drive in your daw. I commonly have 1 drive for system and at least 1 drive for audio data (2 is preferable for backup purposes). I also backup important data to cd or dvd, but the jury is still out on how long data can be archived to these media.
Placing the audio card on the farthest slot is ok IF that slot isn't sharing an IRQ with video, which most motherboards commonly do. What better is to refer to the mobo manual and the IRQ allocation tables which sometimes indicate which slot isn't sharing an IRQ with any onboard device. IF there is no IRQ tble, then you will have to do that manually by swapping slots until the soundcard gets it's own unshared IRQ. Geeky stuff, I know, but necessary if you want your recording pc to be glitch-free.
Post by: jv21 on May 12, 2007, 02:58:32 PM
may kilala po b kaung pdeng mag-tutor sa kin personally sa pag set up ng hardwares for home recording? tnx.. (please quote me na din po how much will it cost me to have a tutor..
philmusic rocks!
Post by: pipo on May 12, 2007, 11:21:12 PM
ok tenks sir Kit & spazz.., aside from MAudio 2496, any other interface na compatible sa Sonar, then later to go on online review.
^^^ako din mga bossing.sana yung available locally and affordable with great performance.
meron bang EDIROL dito saten?ok yung power studio 25 eh.
tnx mga masters! :lol:
Post by: KitC on May 12, 2007, 11:32:20 PM
^^^ako din mga bossing.sana yung available locally and affordable with great performance.
meron bang EDIROL dito saten?ok yung power studio 25 eh.
tnx mga masters! :lol:
Unfortunately, walang local distro ng Cakewalk products unless you count your local cdrom vendor. :| Cakewalk's Power Studio 25 is merely Edirol's UA-25 packaged with Cakewalk's Sonar Studio Edition.
Post by: gjuanengo on May 13, 2007, 12:30:29 AM
Nice points, gjuanengo, but I'd like to point out a couple of things:
Raid is nice to have for fast HD throughput, but not entirely necessary for audio unless you are streaming loads of samples from HD or your magnum opus is already 120 tracks of 24/96 audio and counting. Video has a higher demand on HD throughput so a raid array is much more needed there. What is completely necessary is having more than 1 drive in your daw. I commonly have 1 drive for system and at least 1 drive for audio data (2 is preferable for backup purposes). I also backup important data to cd or dvd, but the jury is still out on how long data can be archived to these media.
Placing the audio card on the farthest slot is ok IF that slot isn't sharing an IRQ with video, which most motherboards commonly do. What better is to refer to the mobo manual and the IRQ allocation tables which sometimes indicate which slot isn't sharing an IRQ with any onboard device. IF there is no IRQ tble, then you will have to do that manually by swapping slots until the soundcard gets it's own unshared IRQ. Geeky stuff, I know, but necessary if you want your recording pc to be glitch-free.
Hence me saying to disable all the other unused devices. This frees up IRQs.
Also, my mobo (and all the previous ones) are VIA powered Asus boards, quite good latency wise.
And the onboard raid controller is quite nice, hardly touches the processor.
Post by: KitC on May 13, 2007, 01:34:05 AM
Hence me saying to disable all the other unused devices. This frees up IRQs.
In some ways, yes, this works however most present-day mobos 'hardwire' specific IRQs to specific slots to specific devices. Mobo designers and manufacturers assume that most consumers of their mobos will most likely use onboard devices rather than buy an expansion card, and the designers are usually right. Unfortunately, DAW users only represent a very small percentage of overall mobo users so I don't see a DAW specific mobo being designed any time soon.
Often, you will find USB and 1394 controllers sharing IRQs with specific slots; unfortunately most peripherals are usb-based while audio interfaces come in usb2/firewire flavors. Sometimes even raid controllers share an IRQ with a particular slot. With AGP/5 pci-slot mobos, you will often find that slots 1 and 5 share an IRQ with the AGP slot, that's why it's often not advisable to place the soundcard in the farthest slot from the vidcard. With PCIe, IRQ allocation becomes a different ballgame altogether. As main moderator at Productionforums.com, I often encounter IRQ sharing issues with pcie-based mobos often exacerbated by ACPI's handling of IRQ assignments.
Used to be you could assign an IRQ to a particular pci slot but modern BIOSes don't allow that anymore. Disabling unused ports like COM and LPT ports will not necessarily free up an IRQ for your soundcard because of the nature of their 'hardwiring' design, but will free up precious cpu cycles.
Post by: pipo on May 13, 2007, 12:23:06 PM
6.8k sya.ok po ba sound & performance nun?
or any other alternatives/suggestions?
tnx. :-)
Post by: KitC on May 13, 2007, 01:00:39 PM
sir yung "m-audio fast track usb" sa jb music?
6.8k sya.ok po ba sound & performance nun?
or any other alternatives/suggestions?
tnx. :-)
It's ok for an interface; I haven't heard anything bad about it - it now comes with 32-bit vista drivers too. Nice price considering it costs $129 list (good show, JB!) Note that it doesn't do midi just in case you require a midi connection. As for other alternatives, not much in terms of usb audio interfaces locally, but quite a lot abroad if you intend to acquire from there.
Post by: jose roberto on June 01, 2007, 09:01:46 AM
A few questions, of course :-D
I want to record my songs on my PC, what do I do. A blow by blow account would be wonderful. :-)
where do I plug my guitar/amp/effects on the PC? I have an Adobe Audtion 1.5, is it good as a basic music recording software? I want to lay down bass, drums, keyboards (or even horns!) on the guitar tracks, is it possible without having these instruments at my disposal? (the Audition has them :-D). any reply would be highly appreciated. Thanks.
here is my current( humble) PC set up
AMD Athlon XP 2000+
Asus A7V8X-X mobo ( S/PDIF, USB inputs)
1 Gb DDR 333Mhz Ram
128mb Asus FX5200 Videocard
40Gb WD HDD 5400 rpm
NEC DVD WRITER
1394 PCI Firewire card
My music rig set up
Ibanez AR250
Crate GX-40C
KORG G1
Post by: KitC on June 01, 2007, 09:48:36 AM
I want to record my songs on my PC, what do I do. A blow by blow account would be wonderful. :-)
where do I plug my guitar/amp/effects on the PC?
jose roberto,
Judging from your pc specs, you didn't mention a soundcard so I assume your pc has onboard sound. While you can record using onboard sound, remember that it is bound by the following limitations:
a. Not-so-great sound quality. Motherboards are built to a price specification and sound often takes a backseat so don't expect high quality converters here. There will he higher noise levels and the line in usually doubles as part of the 5.1 or 7.1 output so operation of the inputs is a compromise.
b. Limited sample rate capability. It's either 44.1 or 48 kHz... 96 kHz? Forget it! Plus, if the mobo has s/pdif, it's almost always an output operating at 48 kHz ONLY.
c. Analog I/O is in 1/8" stereo jacks. Not the most robust of connections plus these are prone to component failures when repeatedly inserting and removing the plugs; this is due to the way the sockets are soldered onto the board. You can get around this by making a sort of 'breakout' extension cable that puts the strain of repeated removal and insertions (necessary when you have a lot of gear but only one pair of inputs) on the breakout. Some use a small mixer to act as a breakout.
That said, get a good soundcard if you want to sound better. Better yet, get a soundcard designed for audio recording. Soundblasters are a good place to start but are not really meant for serious recording, but will do for demos. The M-Audio brand is very good for recording and has a range to suit most budgets.
I'm not sure if you can plug your G1 direct since I can't find any reference to it on the net. I'm sure it was meant for direct connection to an amp; if it has a designated line out, you can plug that into your mixer/soundcard. If in doubt, use it's headphone connection instead, but watch out for levels!
To do a blow-by-blow here might make this post inordinately too long, but the short of it is to connect your signals to your inputs and to watch out for levels! If it's too loud, reduce volume at the source, not at the soundcard input. Another thing to consider is how you are monitoring (or listening) to what is coming into your soundcard; whats the point of recording if you can't hear it? Again, if you are still relying on onboard sound, remember the old computer axiom, G-I-G-O.
Sign up for the PC Recording workshop we have planned for the 9th. You might learn a trick or 2.
Post by: stilljey on June 01, 2007, 05:22:06 PM
Post by: jose roberto on June 02, 2007, 10:34:08 AM
I got a basic creative PCI soundcard. I am still thinking if I need to buy a M-audio soundcard ( I am just doing demos).
Checking out my specs, i got this small stereo jack already for my soundcard inputs(analog). The Crate Amp has a line out input at the back. The G1 has a line out/phone input. For the monitoring situation, do I need to buy a 5.1 speaker system (my board has 5.1 capabilities) or the basic 2.1 would do? Again, thanks for the responses :-)
about the PC recording workshop, what are the details? salamat :-)
Post by: KitC on June 02, 2007, 11:40:43 AM
Checking out my specs, i got this small stereo jack already for my soundcard inputs(analog). The Crate Amp has a line out input at the back. The G1 has a line out/phone input. For the monitoring situation, do I need to buy a 5.1 speaker system (my board has 5.1 capabilities) or the basic 2.1 would do? Again, thanks for the responses :-)
about the PC recording workshop, what are the details? salamat :-)
You might say I'm quite familiar with the Creative card's capabilities and they are quite capable of making good demos. As a matter of fact, I seem to have made more of my original music on a soundblaster than with what I have now. Go figure.... If your equipment has line level outputs, it should interface ok with the soundcard's line level inputs.
Do you need a 5.1 system? Only if the format you are going to deliver to a client is 5.1, until then, stereo is still the most common format. Get a good set of monitors. I can't stress enough how important it is to be able to hear all the nuances of a mix. Computer speakers are often hyped in the upper and lower frequencies in the familiar smiley EQ curve. This may force you to over compensate in the mid-frequencies making your final mixes honky sounding. Although you can get used to the sound of such speaker, I find that monitors with unhyped response curves often allow you to make better mixing decisions.
The workshop details is in the Audio Engineering workshop thread put up by edgeofillsion_jepoy. It will be held at BAMF's BAMFx/P.I.M.P. studios located at Sto. Domingo St. cor. Calamba on June 9.
Post by: jose roberto on June 04, 2007, 07:44:59 AM
Post by: xjepoyx on June 05, 2007, 03:53:29 AM
heres the link of the said thread re: workshop.
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,48389.0.html
Post by: melvslowhand on June 09, 2007, 05:39:12 AM
melvin
Post by: KitC on June 09, 2007, 08:16:36 PM
Unfortunately, until Gigastudio acts like a vst (which I think is the case with Gigastudio 3), you will have to render in realtime.
Post by: bindoy on June 10, 2007, 09:06:55 PM
ang lupet ng gamit...pwede sample dito sa sticky thread na to..
Mohawk! nakuhanan mo ba ung set up nung sabado?post mo naman...
Post by: marcowpg3 on June 11, 2007, 12:36:18 PM
im planning to set up a home recording studio. ano ang recommended recording materials nyo, yung medyo mura lang? im looking at musicians friend.com and maraming murang equipment dun. so far, im getting mostly M AUDIO equipment,
Monitors: Studio Pro 3 desktop audio monitors,
Soundcard: Audiophile 2496 PCI digital audio card,
Interface: FireWire 410 computer recording interface,
Software: Pro tools 7 or Sonar 6
ok na ba ito for home recording? yung PC will be dedicated to recording lang.
ano ang advice ninyo na ok na equipment? yung pwde maidagdag or palitan dito sa mga pinost ko... TNX!
Post by: KitC on June 11, 2007, 12:58:13 PM
Post by: marcowpg3 on June 11, 2007, 01:19:46 PM
and for the PC processor, ok na ba ang compatibility ng AMD, or should i go for Intel core duo?
ito bang set up nato, pang demo quality lang ba ito?
psensya na sir beginner lang kasi ako pag dating sa digital recording kaya dami ko tanong hehehe!!
salamat sir Kit!
Post by: KitC on June 11, 2007, 01:32:17 PM
Firewire and USB2 are the emerging standards while only a pcie soundcards are coming out. Personally I prefer firewire because of the lower cpu loading. The 1814 is nice , you might want to consider Presonus' Firebox, which goes for the same price as the 410 and has more I/O; the Firepod will give you 8 analog inputs for $399. Unfortunately, the Presonus offerings are not compatible with Pro Tools, you might have to stick with M-audio products if that is a requirement.
Post by: marcowpg3 on June 11, 2007, 01:50:53 PM
thank u very much for the info!
Post by: KitC on June 11, 2007, 02:03:35 PM
and for the PC processor, ok na ba ang compatibility ng AMD, or should i go for Intel core duo?
As much as I like AMD, things are not going so well for them in light of Barcelona and Phenom. The undoubted kings of performance right now are Intel C2D's and quads. The problem with M-audio, however, are Vista drivers so consider that before making your mobo choice. If you want a no nonsense firewire on your mobo, consider Gigabyte which has TI firewire chipsets on their higher end mobos.
Post by: marcowpg3 on June 12, 2007, 08:08:17 AM
About audio PC's that are dedicated solely for recording, anong maadvice nyo na specs? yung motherboard, vid card, soundcard, memory, power supply wattage etc... pero keep in mind na medyo limited budget lang ako hehehehe! and im sticking with XP sa ngayon..tnx ulit!
and ano mas preferred nyo, Sonar or Pro Tools? Im thinking of getting Pro tools 7.3, kasi yun ang madalas namin ginagamit sa studio. pero ngayon kasi im using Sonar 6 Producer Ed sa home PC ko...
Post by: marcowpg3 on June 12, 2007, 05:48:27 PM
-Win XP
-Intel 3.0 Ghz Dual Core
- Intel D965 GCCLR motherboard (with firewire)
-1 gig memory
tapos may on board video and audio yung motherboard (ok na ba yung audio nitong mobo?)
(compatible naman ito with Pro Tools or Sonar diba?)
Tnx!
Post by: jun_gats on June 15, 2007, 11:46:53 AM
what can you say about the sb x-fi elite pro or an m-audio sound card? btw whats a good mic to record from a gutiar amp. I just want to create a decent demo. What do you suggest? Thanks
Post by: Phil on June 16, 2007, 03:02:36 AM
sir Kitc,e609s
what can you say about the sb x-fi elite pro or an m-audio sound card? btw whats a good mic to record from a gutiar amp. I just want to create a decent demo. What do you suggest? Thanks
Post by: Phil on June 16, 2007, 03:04:02 AM
sir kit eto yung mga specs na tinitignan ko, ok ba ito?I would go for at least 2 Gb of memory.
-Win XP
-Intel 3.0 Ghz Dual Core
- Intel D965 GCCLR motherboard (with firewire)
-1 gig memory
tapos may on board video and audio yung motherboard (ok na ba yung audio nitong mobo?)
(compatible naman ito with Pro Tools or Sonar diba?)
Tnx!
Post by: marcowpg3 on June 16, 2007, 03:57:25 PM
Post by: hugaspaso78 on June 17, 2007, 12:26:39 AM
Your impression po for the Zoom G2.1u guitar effects with USB interface as recording gear. Sa tingin nyo its decent enough for those with tight budget? I used un Cubase for recording, me latency po sya pero kung bypassed naman e pede mo marinig sya real time. Pede rin sya sa vocals using a decent mic lang.
Meron po ba kayong better setup for budget as tight as un mgagastos mo for this setup?
Thanks :-)
Post by: KitC on June 17, 2007, 01:54:15 PM
sir kit eto yung mga specs na tinitignan ko, ok ba ito?
-Win XP
-Intel 3.0 Ghz Dual Core
- Intel D965 GCCLR motherboard (with firewire)
-1 gig memory
tapos may on board video and audio yung motherboard (ok na ba yung audio nitong mobo?)
(compatible naman ito with Pro Tools or Sonar diba?)
Tnx!
Yes. This will work.
Post by: KitC on June 17, 2007, 01:55:39 PM
sir Kitc,
what can you say about the sb x-fi elite pro or an m-audio sound card? btw whats a good mic to record from a gutiar amp. I just want to create a decent demo. What do you suggest? Thanks
I'd choose the M-Audio. Phil's reco on the e609 is recommended as well.
Post by: KitC on June 17, 2007, 01:58:28 PM
Hello po Sirs,
Your impression po for the Zoom G2.1u guitar effects with USB interface as recording gear. Sa tingin nyo its decent enough for those with tight budget? I used un Cubase for recording, me latency po sya pero kung bypassed naman e pede mo marinig sya real time. Pede rin sya sa vocals using a decent mic lang.
Meron po ba kayong better setup for budget as tight as un mgagastos mo for this setup?
Thanks :-)
If you have a small mixer, try routing the analog output of the Zoom and Cubase into the mixer so that you have zero latency hardware monitoring. Turn off input monitoring in the guitar track to prevent phasing while recording.
Post by: jun_gats on June 19, 2007, 10:38:23 AM
sir Kitc,e609s
what can you say about the sb x-fi elite pro or an m-audio sound card? btw whats a good mic to record from a gutiar amp. I just want to create a decent demo. What do you suggest? Thanks
thanks sir Phil
Post by: jun_gats on June 19, 2007, 10:47:17 AM
sir Kitc,
what can you say about the sb x-fi elite pro or an m-audio sound card? btw whats a good mic to record from a gutiar amp. I just want to create a decent demo. What do you suggest? Thanks
I'd choose the M-Audio. Phil's reco on the e609 is recommended as well.
Thanks sir Kitc
Post by: marcowpg3 on June 25, 2007, 11:28:50 AM
sir kit eto yung mga specs na tinitignan ko, ok ba ito?
-Win XP
-Intel 3.0 Ghz Dual Core
- Intel D965 GCCLR motherboard (with firewire)
-1 gig memory
tapos may on board video and audio yung motherboard (ok na ba yung audio nitong mobo?)
(compatible naman ito with Pro Tools or Sonar diba?)
Tnx!
Yes. This will work.
tnx sir kit!
Post by: KitC on June 25, 2007, 11:40:46 AM
sir kit eto yung mga specs na tinitignan ko, ok ba ito?
-Win XP
-Intel 3.0 Ghz Dual Core
- Intel D965 GCCLR motherboard (with firewire)
-1 gig memory
tapos may on board video and audio yung motherboard (ok na ba yung audio nitong mobo?)
(compatible naman ito with Pro Tools or Sonar diba?)
Tnx!
Yes. This will work.
tnx sir kit!
I forgot to add. Protools needs specific hardware in order to run. You cannot use onboard audio for PT, only Sonar. From what I read, M-Audio's Jamlab interface is the cheapest way to get into PT, or you can use Digidesign's Mbox interface for PT LE. For the hardcore PT HD systems, I suggest checking for compatibility on the Digi site.
Post by: axebass26 on July 16, 2007, 08:31:17 PM
Post by: KitC on July 16, 2007, 10:10:28 PM
Post by: jun_gats on July 25, 2007, 06:55:28 AM
Post by: KitC on July 25, 2007, 11:44:07 AM
Sir, If I have a shure sm57 and an Maudio 2496 how do I connect it? is it just straight cable or do I need any additional hardware? tnx
Get a mic preamp or a small mixer. Use the mixer to interface between the mic and your 2496.
Post by: jun_gats on July 26, 2007, 01:26:51 PM
Post by: jun_gats on August 12, 2007, 01:59:55 AM
Sir, If I have a shure sm57 and an Maudio 2496 how do I connect it? is it just straight cable or do I need any additional hardware? tnx
Get a mic preamp or a small mixer. Use the mixer to interface between the mic and your 2496.
sir from (mic)sm57 - (mixer) samson MDR6 6-Channel - (sound card) m-audio 2496 from (mixer) where do I connect the output since the soundcard needs an rca input? the only output on the mixer for rca is the cd output... do I need a special cable or converter? thanks
Post by: KitC on August 12, 2007, 10:54:44 AM
Post by: jun_gats on August 12, 2007, 09:01:45 PM
Post by: carl20 on August 17, 2007, 05:01:52 PM
Post by: KitC on August 19, 2007, 11:33:08 AM
mga sir napadaan lng kasali po sa thread na to ung sa soundproofing? thanks po :-D
The thread title is specific, "Setting up your PC for Recording". There is already a thread re: soundproofing.
Post by: stanley on August 31, 2007, 11:34:22 PM
Post by: KitC on September 01, 2007, 01:06:42 AM
sir, do i need a mic preamp if i already have a mixer ( behringer 1202) with built in mic preamp. thanks
Depends. If you're not happy with the sound of the 1202, you can get an external preamp that gives you the clarity and/or coloration that you want. Btw, I was reading a very unbiased review of the xenyx preamps and it compared favorably with the mackie XDR preamps.
Post by: x_taxi on September 01, 2007, 01:21:23 AM
sir, do i need a mic preamp if i already have a mixer ( behringer 1202) with built in mic preamp. thanks
even the names rhyme: xenyx = onyx?
seriously, you'll need to spend a lot more to have a noticeable performance advantage. personally, i'd use it till it breaks. then you'd most probably have learned and earned enough to move up to better preamps.
:-) :-) :-)
Post by: KitC on September 01, 2007, 01:23:51 AM
Post by: x_taxi on September 01, 2007, 01:26:39 AM
xdr din ba yun nasa mackie spike?
:-) :-) :-)
Post by: KitC on September 01, 2007, 01:35:18 AM
Post by: kremetory on September 02, 2007, 09:38:15 PM
Ok.... rather than set up a tutorial thread, let's make this into a Q & A sort of thread and the emphasis will be on setting up your PC regardless of the specs. Remember, however, that some pc configurations are not compatible with audio no matter what you do. Also remember that most pc's coming out today have a decided slant towards powerful video capabilities, something which often conflicts with glitch-free audio performance. If you are decided about great audio performance, you will have to give up great video performance (which means you will have to give up that 8800GTXProMillenium+1 and go for a considerably less powerful vidcard).
Q1: yah i've read this part and i was wondering if how does a high end video card would affect the audiocard of the pc??????
Q2: do you sell gears for recording like mixers and other pre-amps and amps that is not that expensive coz' im just new in this kind of business....hope you could help me out thanks.
Q3: what is SPDIF what is it for???
Post by: stanley on September 02, 2007, 11:47:21 PM
Yup! the spike does have xdr preamps. To be specific about the xenyx, look for the March 2007 issue of Recording. Even user reviews in some forums confirm this but, in general, they say the xenyx preamps are warmer and bigger, while the VLZ was a bit airier and had a more natural soundstage.
thanks sir kitC.
Post by: KitC on September 03, 2007, 12:11:10 AM
Q1: yah i've read this part and i was wondering if how does a high end video card would affect the audiocard of the pc??????
While you can use a relatively powerful video card, bear in mind that audio also has stringent needs with regards to processing, that's why it's often recommended to use a less powerful vidcard. Video card manufacturers are sneaky... they know how to wring every last ounce of processing power from the cpu; everything from hogging the pci bus to throttling down other peripherals. That's why SLI and Crossfire capable motherboards are often not recommended for audio, and why I strongly advocate DAWs dedicated to audio processing.
Q2: do you sell gears for recording like mixers and other pre-amps and amps that is not that expensive coz' im just new in this kind of business....hope you could help me out thanks.
No, I don't sell gear... but I could recommend you to the 'good guys'.
Q3: what is SPDIF what is it for???
S/PDIF stands for Sony/Philips Digital InterFace. It is a digital audio protocol jointly developed by Sony and Philips for the transfer of audio signals digitally. It was originally a consumer format but has gained widespread acceptance in audio circles. It was originally an electrical format using unbalanced coax cables, but has since been adapted to optical transmission as well. Most semi-pro and pro soundcards (as well as some consumer gear) have s/pdif in one form or another.
hth,
Post by: jv21 on September 03, 2007, 11:18:44 AM
Post by: KitC on September 03, 2007, 11:48:09 AM
sir Kit, i usually experience DROPOUTs whenevr i record. what usually triggers this? i only have 512mb of Ram. my kinalaman po ba to? (im using SONAr 6.) tnx. : )
Lot's of things can contribute to this but the first thing you should look at is if the soundcard is sharing an IRQ with something else. Open Device Manager then View > Resources by Type and expand the IRQ tree. You will see a list of IRQs and the soundcard SHOULD have it's own IRQ. If you are using onboard sound, sorry, there's only so much you can do with it, if you are using a soundblaster, it might be able to work with another device but at the expense of sound quality.
If your soundcard DOES share with another device, you will have to move it to another pci slot. Sorry, there's no other way about this since the ACPI protocol automates IRQ assignment and does not allow user assignment of IRQs. You will have to uninstall the soundcard in device manager, shutdown, then move it to another slot and re-install the card. Do this until you can dedicate an IRQ to the card. In some cases, if the card is sharing with usb, firewire, or the onboard NIC, you can disable those devices in bios if you don't use those features.
There are other causes for dropouts to such as hard disks in PIO mode, slow HD speeds or bottlenecks. Exceeding the capacity of the cpu can cause dropouts as well as buffer settings in the software. My advice, however is to make sure that all hardware is working properly at first, and only then should you consider making software adjustments.
Post by: jv21 on September 03, 2007, 12:08:11 PM
Post by: kremetory on September 03, 2007, 09:22:22 PM
Lot's of things can contribute to this but the first thing you should look at is if the soundcard is sharing an IRQ with something else. Open Device Manager then View > Resources by Type and expand the IRQ tree. You will see a list of IRQs and the soundcard SHOULD have it's own IRQ. If you are using onboard sound, sorry, there's only so much you can do with it, if you are using a soundblaster, it might be able to work with another device but at the expense of sound quality.
If your soundcard DOES share with another device, you will have to move it to another pci slot. Sorry, there's no other way about this since the ACPI protocol automates IRQ assignment and does not allow user assignment of IRQs. You will have to uninstall the soundcard in device manager, shutdown, then move it to another slot and re-install the card. Do this until you can dedicate an IRQ to the card. In some cases, if the card is sharing with usb, firewire, or the onboard NIC, you can disable those devices in bios if you don't use those features.
There are other causes for dropouts to such as hard disks in PIO mode, slow HD speeds or bottlenecks. Exceeding the capacity of the cpu can cause dropouts as well as buffer settings in the software. My advice, however is to make sure that all hardware is working properly at first, and only then should you consider making software adjustments.
hey sir thanks a lot for helpin' me out
Post by: KitC on September 03, 2007, 10:02:55 PM
very well said sir.. thanks! :-D anyway, im planning to purchase an M-audio Delta 1010 pci digital audio computer interface and a USB mixer. can i install the M-audio soundcard without un-installing the on board sound card? sorry 4 the stupid question. hehe :-D
You can run a pci soundcard simultaneously with onboard sound. I just wonder why you would need a usb mixer.
Post by: jv21 on September 04, 2007, 09:27:30 AM
You can run a pci soundcard simultaneously with onboard sound. I just wonder why you would need a usb mixer.
im planing to put up a home recording studio sir. anyway, regarding setting up the pc for recording purposes, ok na po ba to:? (or if hnde, ano po mga kailangan upgrade aside from its RAM na 512MB lang..)
peNTIUM 4, 3.00 gHZ
RAM 512MB
HD: 80 gig partioned at 40, 30 and 10.
Post by: KitC on September 04, 2007, 09:57:52 AM
I also have an audio data drive, 160 gigs unpartitioned. It is important to have 2 physical drives in case you experience drive failure. I've even made the other drive bootable just in case of boot failure on my main system drive - remember, if the MBR fails on your main system drive, you won't be able to access data on any of the partitions in that drive.
Lastly, I can't stress the importance of data backup. If I have my project files on my system drive, I have a duplicate on my data drive too, as well as a dvd copy... just in case.
Post by: jv21 on September 04, 2007, 11:20:39 AM
Post by: legato on September 05, 2007, 02:11:10 PM
I also have an old Boss DR660 drum machine that is stored somewhere gathering dust. Should I connect this too? And how do I apply and use it? Is it necessary or is software enough?
Post by: jv21 on September 05, 2007, 03:15:38 PM
Post by: KitC on September 05, 2007, 08:43:04 PM
I also have an old Boss DR660 drum machine that is stored somewhere gathering dust. Should I connect this too? And how do I apply and use it? Is it necessary or is software enough?
Software can be enough although, sometmes, hardware can be more immediate than turning on a pc and waiting for it to boot. For example, it would probably take minutes for you to program the DR660 with a nice loop, immediately after turning it on. A pc can take a few minutes just to boot into the OS then you have to launch your DAW software. You can have the best of both worlds by midi'ing up your BR to your pc. It will take some doing but we can guide you through the process - why not make a new thread for that when you get to that situation?
hi. what's the difference between a 32 bit and 64 bit computer system in recording?
A lot in terms of addressable ram, sometimes file sizes and operating systems. Normally, though, the emphasis is on addressable ram which is important to some who like to use LOTS of it, notably those with samplers that load gigabyte size sample libraries. XP will only address 2 gigs of ram, 3 gigs if you engage the /3GB switch; 64 bit OS allow you to address up to 128 gigabytes of RAM. If you don't do a lot of sampling, having that much ram won't benefit you much, but you sure can run at least a hundred instances of MS Excel each with several large spreadsheets.
The problem with 64-bit systems are the lack of drivers for audio devices. Some soundcard manufacturers have developed Vista drivers, but none have developed any WaveRT drivers and only a few have 64-bit drivers. Then, there are those who are saying that latency is worse in Vista. I'm waiting for Vista SP1 to come out before I will even try it out, even then, I don't fancy spending P25k for an OS. Rest assured I'll be posting updates on Vista when it is confirmed that we will be benefitting from that new OS, which some say is turning out to be the new Windows ME.
Post by: jv21 on September 06, 2007, 10:17:50 AM
Post by: legato on September 06, 2007, 10:35:36 AM
Post by: gobernor on September 15, 2007, 02:49:03 PM
im new to this field and would like to get more information and this thread's a good read for starters. i am planning to use my pc as a daw, is it possible with my current spec?
amd sempron am2 2ghz
msi k9ngm-v (nvidia-based mobo) - Chipset NVIDIA® MCP61
512mb shared with video(On-Board VGA nVidia GeForce 6100)
80gb/160gb sata drives
xp pro sp2
i am not sure if my specs will be able to do recording so can you suggest additional hw required for me to add on a budget? exclude the ram since im getting 2gb soon. im currently reading materials for vegas 6 and audition 2. any info will be appreciated.
thanks!
:-D
Post by: KitC on September 15, 2007, 06:20:21 PM
Start with a good soundcard. I suggest getting an M-Audio 2496 if all you need is stereo I/O. Next, get a good pair of monitors if you will be mixing. You can start with a stereo component kung walang budget, but always compare your mixes with playback different systems. In the end, good monitors should be part of your listening chain.
Post by: gobernor on September 19, 2007, 03:52:57 PM
sulitin ko na, other than a good sound card, anything else you can recommend for a startup DAW? based on the specs i had, im not sure kung kakayin nya maging DAW...
my requirements for this project will be for creating demos(na quality cyempre) and overall music production kung kakayanin.
thanks again sir kit!
:-D
Post by: KitC on September 19, 2007, 04:10:30 PM
BUT... let me balance this by saying that a soundblaster will only get you so far with audio, especially if you want to track each instrument individually and with regards to sound quality since the blaster was intended mostly for sound playback, not recording - Creative cut a few corners in the A/D department. Tip: Someone is selling his Delta 1010LT (which is an 8 analog input card) in the classifieds. You will need to pair this with a good mixer with at least 6 mic preamps (the 1010LT has 2 XLR inputs) and at least 6 direct outs, so be advised.
Post by: gobernor on September 19, 2007, 04:49:44 PM
as much as possible live tracks sana so soundblasters are out of the equation. m audio nako. mapapalaban pala talaga ako sa gastusan dito sir kit.
thanks po sa prompt reply!
will be looking forward for more helpful tips here!
more power sir kit!
***baka may marerecommend po kayong good deal for recording demos
Post by: KitC on September 19, 2007, 05:06:31 PM
***baka may marerecommend po kayong good deal for recording demos
I'm not sure what you mean by this. If you mean bands who want to record demos, I give you 2 words: package deal.
Post by: replica on September 21, 2007, 08:55:14 AM
Post by: KitC on September 21, 2007, 11:42:12 AM
pa post naman mo ng connection ng Mixer to PC :-D
How to Hook Up a Mixer (http://www.tweakheadz.com/how_to_hookup_a_mixer.htm).
Post by: kamots on September 21, 2007, 01:33:45 PM
When recording a guitar, what are the the differences/pros/cons of using a USB interface (say MI Audio Jamlab) vs. a good soundcard (and a DI box?)? Or does the apples and oranges thing apply here?
TIA
Post by: replica on September 21, 2007, 01:42:30 PM
How to Hook Up a Mixer (http://www.tweakheadz.com/how_to_hookup_a_mixer.htm).
thanks for the link
Post by: marcowpg3 on September 26, 2007, 01:50:35 PM
Post by: KitC on September 26, 2007, 02:13:22 PM
As for recommended pc's, go to the Digidesign site for recommended systems. Off the hat, though, I could say that most present day computers will run the 1814 fine although only the high end mobos have TI-equipped firewire chipsets, Asus and Gigabyte in particular. Another thing to check is that PT M-powered doesn't seem to like multi-core processing, so that will be a MAJOR consideration. Digi is comnig out with Vista tweaks, though, so expect to spend for the upgrade. :evil:
Post by: bassman88 on September 26, 2007, 02:22:08 PM
You do not need a mac to run PT with your 1814. For one thing, the PT that comes with any M-audio product is merely the the M-powered version, a relatively stripped down PT that has no access to TDM hardware and plugs. Secondly, PT has been proven to work on both OSX and XP so there is no difference in functionality. Third, PT on OSX and XP WILL CRASH if you let it. Just because it's a Mac doesn't mean it's more stable, the only upside is that a Mac works out of the box although you still have to tweak it just a little to squeeze the most performance out of it. Bang-for-the-buck goes to properly configured pc systems as long as you have the right combination of parts and OS configuration. One thing you should do with PT: don't use Vista!
As for recommended pc's, go to the Digidesign site for recommended systems. Off the hat, though, I could say that most present day computers will run the 1814 fine although only the high end mobos have TI-equipped firewire chipsets, Asus and Gigabyte in particular. Another thing to check is that PT M-powered doesn't seem to like multi-core processing, so that will be a MAJOR consideration. Digi is comnig out with Vista tweaks, though, so expect to spend for the upgrade. :evil:
TI-equipped firewire chipsets? What are these? Kasi i just bought a firewire PCI card e. Ok lang ba to? will it affect record quality? Btw, magkano bili mo sa 1814?
Post by: KitC on September 26, 2007, 02:38:34 PM
TI-equipped firewire chipsets? What are these? Kasi i just bought a firewire PCI card e. Ok lang ba to? will it affect record quality? Btw, magkano bili mo sa 1814?
Among the TI-equipped firewire chipset motherboards are: Asus P5WDH (i975), Asus P5B Deluxe (i965), Gigabyte GA-965 DQ6, Gigabyte GA-P35 DQ6... practically most of the high end mobos from these 2 manufacturers. I'm not 100% sure but I think Abit has something similar (Abit IP35 Pro).
A firewire pci card will not affect audio quality since what is passing through the card is already data. What it important is that chipset of the card (again, should be TI). There have been reports of other chipsets that work but YMMV.
marcowpg has the 1814... I use an Emu 1820m.
Post by: marcowpg3 on September 26, 2007, 04:22:23 PM
Post by: bassman88 on September 26, 2007, 04:24:52 PM
Post by: marcowpg3 on September 26, 2007, 04:29:04 PM
Another thing to check is that PT M-powered doesn't seem to like multi-core processing, so that will be a MAJOR consideration.
so you mean i dont need the dual core, that a pentium 4 processor will suffice? or is it much better to get a dual core processor for future reference/use? thanks! sorry kulit hehehe...
Post by: marcowpg3 on September 26, 2007, 04:36:52 PM
marco, where and how much did you buy ur 1814? Im thinking of buying kasi
nagpabili ako sa US, theres a very good package sa musiciansfriend.com or sa music123.com, all in all $799 dollars yung package. it includes the M-audio 1814 interface, Protools M powered 7.3, AKG condenser mic, Senheiser headphones, cables and a mic stand. Actually hindi pa dumadating pero excited na ako haha! I tried to canvass the stuff here, individually aabot ng roughly P70K, wala pa yung computer, so ang laki ng ititipid mo kung sa US mo makukuha.
anyway, heres the link: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/MAudio-Pro-Tools-1814-Package?sku=709207
Post by: marcowpg3 on September 26, 2007, 04:42:07 PM
Post by: KitC on September 26, 2007, 04:46:49 PM
so you mean i dont need the dual core, that a pentium 4 processor will suffice? or is it much better to get a dual core processor for future reference/use? thanks! sorry kulit hehehe...
Look at it this way. The technology changes every 18 months or sometimes even lesser. You can get a dual core but make sure your mobo can accept quad and higher number cores in order to futureproof it. The limitation of the software is only temporary and it will always be addressed by updates/upgrades. That's why I prefer software that isn't tied to hardware the way PT is. On the other side, the PT MP system is compatible with HD and LE systems hence opens the door to porting your tracks and mixes to higher level PT suites.
Btw, forget about the old P4 systems and go C2D. The advantages are there like lower power usage and high utilization. You might have to configure PT to use a single core in the outset, but I'm sure Digidesign will address that issue, if they haven't already (which is weird since I'm sure PT can work with dual-cpu configurations, it's with multicore that they seem to hit a snag).
Post by: arzoeffect on September 26, 2007, 08:11:54 PM
Post by: KitC on September 26, 2007, 08:28:42 PM
mga sirs how bout for laptops? pwede po bng direct ang mixer sa line-in ng laptop?
Technically yes, pero you are limited to stereo input. The better solution would be to get a usb2 or firewire interface if the laptop has those ports. Another would be to use a firewire mixer. The problem with laptop onboard audio is the quality of the converters, aside from the 1/8" stereo jacks which are fragile.
Post by: arzoeffect on September 26, 2007, 08:34:53 PM
Post by: KitC on September 26, 2007, 08:53:11 PM
Post by: arzoeffect on September 26, 2007, 08:58:39 PM
Post by: bassman88 on September 28, 2007, 09:35:42 AM
nagpabili ako sa US, theres a very good package sa musiciansfriend.com or sa music123.com, all in all $799 dollars yung package. it includes the M-audio 1814 interface, Protools M powered 7.3, AKG condenser mic, Senheiser headphones, cables and a mic stand. Actually hindi pa dumadating pero excited na ako haha! I tried to canvass the stuff here, individually aabot ng roughly P70K, wala pa yung computer, so ang laki ng ititipid mo kung sa US mo makukuha.
anyway, heres the link: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/MAudio-Pro-Tools-1814-Package?sku=709207
Actually sa musiciansfriend rin ako bibili kaso ung unit lang, problema lang ung shipping. Meron kasing scratch and dent sale, nasa $359 nalang ung 1814 firewire unit. Paano ang setup mo dito? kulang ka pa ng preamps ah. haha! Im gonna use it to record drums kasi. Hassel... Anyway, nagshship ba ang musiciansfriend dito sa pinas? magkano shipping?
Post by: bassman88 on September 28, 2007, 09:39:01 AM
Post by: KitC on September 28, 2007, 12:13:42 PM
@KitC: Sir kit, mahirap ba ang configuration ng Alesis firewire mixers sa Cubase? Multi track ba ang pasok nito sa computer? Kasi priority ko is maedit ko per channel, like sa drums, kunyari, ung isang tom lang sa isang channel para matweak ko without affecting the other toms. thanks!
When we used Jepoy's Multimix 8FW in Purple Haze, we were able to record all 8 channels individually; firewire is more than capable of handling that many tracks. The only caveat is that asio always treats audio streams as stereo pairs so that you will have to setup your VST Inputs to separate each asio L/R pair as a mono input (ex., left channel=input 1, right channel=input 2 and so on...).
Btw, musiciansfriend does not ship overseas. Hint: Use Johnny Air cargo...
Post by: kamots on September 28, 2007, 01:53:36 PM
Warning: N0ob question follows!!!
When recording a guitar, what are the the differences/pros/cons of using a USB interface (say MI Audio Jamlab) vs. a good soundcard (and a DI box?)? Or does the apples and oranges thing apply here?
TIA
No takers? :-D
Post by: KitC on September 28, 2007, 02:10:57 PM
No takers? :-D
Sorry about that. I was waiting for the guitar-oriented recordists to post but I'll bite.
It does matter whether you're using an inexpensive interface vs. a more expensive one, specifically with the converters. Ideally, you want an interface that can give you as much fidelity and the least coloration when you record. You also want a converter that can record to at least 96 khz and 24-bits; the bitrate is especially important if you want to have extra processing headroom. I personally record to 24 bits because the processing on the tails and fades is a lot smoother compared to 16-bit. The Jamlab only records up to 48 khz - not a deal breaker, but it is limited to a single guitar input so is not capable of accommodating other sources like keyboards and microphones - strictly a guitar recording interface.
The data protocol can be important; USB 2.0 is preferable to USB 1.1 interfaces because of the greater data bandwidth. Firewire is a very good alternative to USB 2 because firewire has lower cpu overhead. In terms of data transfer rates, pci soundcards provides the fastest to date. All that is moot, however, if the interface's drivers are bad, i.e., cannot provide a low enough latency for you to overdub or to record comfortably while playing back other tracks. Another thing to look out for is how monitoring is implemented. Some interfaces will not monitor through hardware while software monitoring usually introduces latency - something to watch out for.
EDIT: typo
Post by: marcowpg3 on September 28, 2007, 05:29:17 PM
Actually sa musiciansfriend rin ako bibili kaso ung unit lang, problema lang ung shipping. Meron kasing scratch and dent sale, nasa $359 nalang ung 1814 firewire unit. Paano ang setup mo dito? kulang ka pa ng preamps ah. haha! Im gonna use it to record drums kasi. Hassel... Anyway, nagshship ba ang musiciansfriend dito sa pinas? magkano shipping?
sa shipping, kasi may friend ako na uuwi dito so he's gonna bring it back with him. pero pwede ka din magpadala from the states ng balikbayan box, i think it costs around $75. about the preamps, yun nga wala pa ako nun.
SIR KITC, question; can the interface be used as a preamp? or do you have to get a preamp separately for this kind of home studio to work? sorry for the newbie questions kasi im really just starting out and baka kulang yung gamit ko and i might be missing some essential stuff para sa simpleng home studio. although meron din naman akong multi effects processors for guitars and sansamp direct box for bass. pwde bang rekta sa interface yung mga instruments and mics? or mas ok kung papadaanin sa preamp?
ganito kasi yung set up ko when my stuff gets here:
COMPUTER -> INTERFACE -> DIRECT BOX/PROCESSORS -> INSTRUMENTS/MICS
is this gonna work? or did i just spend for nothing? HELP!! :? :-o :?
Post by: kamots on September 28, 2007, 06:15:41 PM
Sorry about that.......
No apology necessary. I'm gonna have to re-read that while paying more attention to the words a couple of times before I totally get :-) it but thanks for the reply
Post by: KitC on September 28, 2007, 06:21:01 PM
SIR KITC, question; can the interface be used as a preamp?
The 1814 has 8 analog line inputs of which inputs 1 & 2 share a mic preamp along with the unbalanced line inputs 1 & 2 at the back of the unit. In order to use mics with the other 6 inputs, you will need to add 6 mic preamps.
All is not lost since the 1814 also has ADAT I/O. The easy (and relatively cheap way) to add 8 additional mic preamps is to get something like the Behringer ADA8000 and connect it via lightpipe to the ADAT input. This will give you a total of 10 mic preamps plus 6 line inputs available for keyboards/synths and ampsim lineouts.
hth,
Post by: bassman88 on September 28, 2007, 08:17:16 PM
The 1814 has 8 analog line inputs of which inputs 1 & 2 share a mic preamp along with the unbalanced line inputs 1 & 2 at the back of the unit. In order to use mics with the other 6 inputs, you will need to add 6 mic preamps.
All is not lost since the 1814 also has ADAT I/O. The easy (and relatively cheap way) to add 8 additional mic preamps is to get something like the Behringer ADA8000 and connect it via lightpipe to the ADAT input. This will give you a total of 10 mic preamps plus 6 line inputs available for keyboards/synths and ampsim lineouts.
hth,
Sir Kit, if we do this method, won't it mean entering the computer as a single track lang? Lahat ng nakasaksak sa ADA8000?
Post by: KitC on September 29, 2007, 12:05:14 AM
Sir Kit, if we do this method, won't it mean entering the computer as a single track lang? Lahat ng nakasaksak sa ADA8000?
No. The ADA8000 is an 8-channel mic/line preamp which can give you 8 separate tracks. It is slaved to the 1814 by means of the lightpipe connection; the ADA serves to increase the available analog inputs and outputs to the 1814. If you use the ADA in conjunction with the 1814, you will have a total of 16 analog inputs and outputs.
Post by: stilljey on September 29, 2007, 08:11:07 AM
Post by: x_taxi on September 29, 2007, 10:06:53 AM
sir, what is lightpipe or lightpipe connection?
that's what they call the connection to transfer digital audio with the use of fiber optics, hence the name. since pinoy tayo, we call it by the brand name, yun din yun tinatawag natin na adat.
:-) :-) :-)
Post by: xjepoyx on September 29, 2007, 11:01:06 AM
Post by: x_taxi on September 29, 2007, 12:22:28 PM
ADAT is not a brand po. registered trademark lang ng Alesis with their 8 track digital tape recorder that was released in the early 90's. Pero YES ADAT transfer is called lightpipe :)
hehe. alesis digital audio tape? sorry boss jepoy. i stand corrected. thanks for clearin that up.
slightly OT(?): sadly, i still call my toothpaste colgate...
:-) :-) :-)
Post by: marcowpg3 on September 29, 2007, 03:41:43 PM
Post by: xjepoyx on September 29, 2007, 04:11:08 PM
Post by: stilljey on September 30, 2007, 04:18:12 AM
Post by: jun_gats on October 07, 2007, 03:54:22 AM
http://www.alesis.com/product.php?id=37 (http://www.alesis.com/product.php?id=37)
http://shure.com/ProAudio/Products/WiredMicrophones/us_pro_SM57-LC_content (http://shure.com/ProAudio/Products/WiredMicrophones/us_pro_SM57-LC_content)
Post by: bassman88 on October 07, 2007, 09:20:33 AM
Post by: xjepoyx on October 07, 2007, 10:33:19 AM
mga sirs... ok napo ba ito para makapag record ako sa pc? or kulang papo? di ko kasi alam kung may mga wires pa akong dapat idagdag. salamat po ng madami
http://www.alesis.com/product.php?id=37 (http://www.alesis.com/product.php?id=37)
http://shure.com/ProAudio/Products/WiredMicrophones/us_pro_SM57-LC_content (http://shure.com/ProAudio/Products/WiredMicrophones/us_pro_SM57-LC_content)
if that is your equipments, Mic > USB Mixer > USB Cable to PC
with a few configurations on your DAW App... your ready to go
edit:
your monitoring speakers should be connected on the output of your USB Mixer
Check mo if may pre-amps kasama ung mixer mo,
Alesis Mixers has a good preamps.
kung wala kukulangan ng lakas ung SM57 mo. hehe
SM57 or Mics perse... doesnt have his own "LAKAS". mics always depends on mic mixer, amplifiers or mic preamps
Post by: jun_gats on October 07, 2007, 12:36:15 PM
Ano balak mo irecord? Kulang yan pag drums. Check mo if may pre-amps kasama ung mixer mo, kung wala kukulangan ng lakas ung SM57 mo. hehe
guitar lng sir, may nakalagay sa manual na may phantom mode daw yung mixer, kapag tinurn on daw yun e mgkakaroon ng boost yung 4 inputs na 48v... tama kaya pagkakaintindi ko? di ba masisira yung mic?
http://www.alesis.com/downloads/manuals/Alesis_iMultiMix8USB_Reference_revC.pdf (http://www.alesis.com/downloads/manuals/Alesis_iMultiMix8USB_Reference_revC.pdf)
if that is your equipments, Mic > USB Mixer > USB Cable to PC
with a few configurations on your DAW App... your ready to go
edit:
your monitoring speakers should be connected on the output of your USB Mixer
Alesis Mixers has a good preamps.
SM57 or Mics perse... doesnt have his own "LAKAS". mics always depends on mic mixer, amplifiers or mic preamps
di ko pa sya nabibili sir, this month pa kasi papasabay ko lng sa officemate ko pgpunta nya sa us. good to hear sir kasi wala akong alam sa mixer e, first time ko palang kung sakali.
wala panga akong nakikitang monitor speakers, pwede bang head phone nalang?
may nakalagay na phantom power sabi boost daw ng 48v yung mic para sa mga condenser, atsaka kailangan ko pla ng xlr cable di ba?
Post by: KitC on October 07, 2007, 05:46:55 PM
guitar lng sir, may nakalagay sa manual na may phantom mode daw yung mixer, kapag tinurn on daw yun e mgkakaroon ng boost yung 4 inputs na 48v... tama kaya pagkakaintindi ko? di ba masisira yung mic?
:?
Boost? Phantom power is meant for powering condenser mics, which will not work without power unlike dynamic mics such as the SM-57/58.
Post by: jun_gats on October 07, 2007, 06:23:51 PM
:?
Boost? Phantom power is meant for powering condenser mics, which will not work without power unlike dynamic mics such as the SM-57/58.
I see, so i don't need the phantom power mode because I'm using a dynamic microphone. Do I need any preamp?
Post by: KitC on October 07, 2007, 07:22:26 PM
I see, so i don't need the phantom power mode because I'm using a dynamic microphone. Do I need any preamp?
Usually may preamp na ang mixer. Usually the number of XLR inputs equals the number of available preamps. Make sure that the number of preamps are what you need. Most mixers under 16 channels only have 2 to 6 preamps, which may be insufficient for your needs. If you decide on a 12-channel mixer with only 4 preamps, for ex., you can supplant those with external preamps connected to the line inputs such as the MIC200 or TubeMP.
Post by: jun_gats on October 08, 2007, 06:37:29 AM
Usually may preamp na ang mixer. Usually the number of XLR inputs equals the number of available preamps. Make sure that the number of preamps are what you need. Most mixers under 16 channels only have 2 to 6 preamps, which may be insufficient for your needs. If you decide on a 12-channel mixer with only 4 preamps, for ex., you can supplant those with external preamps connected to the line inputs such as the MIC200 or TubeMP.
This is indicated in the manual sir Kitc "4 microphone/line inputs with up to 50dB of preamp gain – gives a boost to microphones and instruments with weak levels." I only need it for guitar recording. If I need more preamps in the future pwede ko bang dagdagan ng preamp kahit 8 input lng? usually gaano kadaming preamp ba yung kailangan? intrumental rock genre yung balak kong irecord.
ito yung inoofer nila
Multimix 8 USB (4 mic/line preamps, 4 stereo inputs)
Multimix 12 USB (4 mic/line preamps, 4 stereo inputs)
Multimix 16 USB (8 mic/line preamps, 4 stereo inputs)
Post by: KitC on October 08, 2007, 10:02:57 AM
This is indicated in the manual sir Kitc "4 microphone/line inputs with up to 50dB of preamp gain – gives a boost to microphones and instruments with weak levels." I only need it for guitar recording.
I think this refers to the trim control. Phantom power only powers the preamps built into condenser mics; dynamics do not have these preamps since their output is sufficient to drive the preamp inputs. The usage of gain in mics and preamps is different from what you are used to with guitars; there comes a point that too much gain will distort your preamp inputs. Unlike with guitars, you do not like distortion when you are capturing a sound.
If I need more preamps in the future pwede ko bang dagdagan ng preamp kahit 8 input lng? usually gaano kadaming preamp ba yung kailangan? intrumental rock genre yung balak kong irecord.
If it's only guitars, you don't need much unless you are fond of intricate miking setups; I have read of setups that used as much as 4 inputs/ preamps for one guitar! Eight preamps are easy to use up when recording a full band. Try to consider your present and future needs.
It's probably better if you choose the firewire mixers instead of the cheaper usb versions. With FW, you can record each channel separately, unlike the usb version which limits you to stereo channels only.
Post by: jun_gats on October 08, 2007, 11:35:24 AM
I think this refers to the trim control. Phantom power only powers the preamps built into condenser mics; dynamics do not have these preamps since their output is sufficient to drive the preamp inputs. The usage of gain in mics and preamps is different from what you are used to with guitars; there comes a point that too much gain will distort your preamp inputs. Unlike with guitars, you do not like distortion when you are capturing a sound.
If it's only guitars, you don't need much unless you are fond of intricate miking setups; I have read of setups that used as much as 4 inputs/ preamps for one guitar! Eight preamps are easy to use up when recording a full band. Try to consider your present and future needs.
It's probably better if you choose the firewire mixers instead of the cheaper usb versions. With FW, you can record each channel separately, unlike the usb version which limits you to stereo channels only.
Thank sir Kitc for all the info, I think I need to research more and save for additional fund, I thought that this is an easy walk to the park but I was wrong. It's totally a different setup from my guitar rig. :)
I also need to purchase a firewire controller card, I thought usb is better.
Post by: bassman88 on October 08, 2007, 06:33:23 PM
Post by: jun_gats on October 08, 2007, 06:51:10 PM
I'm selling my m-audio fast track usb if you want, isang input lang sha, pang guitar sakto pero wala pa shang pre-amp. PM mo ko if you want the details.
Thanks sir, pero I prefer mixer and mic. I think I'll just save nalang kasi kulang budget ko medyo malaki pla ang kailangan ko. Prang gusto ko nadin ng monitor :-D Wow! dumami tuloy ang gas ko.
Post by: jun_gats on October 09, 2007, 01:50:51 PM
Post by: KitC on October 09, 2007, 02:49:49 PM
Sir Kitc, If I just purchase the mixer then not use the usb but connect it to a soundcard is it much better or the firewire is still the way to go?
In both cases, you will only be capable of recording 2 channels of audio. Firewire is one option, a pci soundcard like the M-Audio Delta 1010LT is another if you need multiple input capability. Personally, though, I find firewire mixers to be a very flexible option because of the portability of the interface, meaning you can easily transfer it from pc to pc without much fuss, and at the same time, the mixer can function standalone.
As an interface protocol, I find firewire to be better in terms of speed, number of channels and cpu loading, so I think firewire really is the better way to go. USB2 interfaces are just as good but at the expense of higher cpu loading. I'm waiting for reviews regarding the Toneport UX8 to verify this, but Roland's earlier UA-1000 and UA-101 bear out the fact that these USB2 interfaces work quite well.
Post by: adler on October 17, 2007, 12:54:37 PM
guitar/bass/mics --- 8 or 4 input mixer --- E-1-312 M-AUDIO Jam Lab Guitar USB Audio Interface ---- pc
heres the link of the audio interface :
http://www.jbmusic.com.ph/product.php?sessid=&sid=25&pid=542
1. kung ok lng po ano ba magandang mixer?
2. meron pa po bang kulang?
3. kung mali po set up ,, ano po magandang alternative,, tight budget kc e.
salamat!
Post by: KitC on October 17, 2007, 01:41:49 PM
One alternative is the Behringer UCA-202 although I hear you might have to deal with latency issues.
Post by: adler on October 17, 2007, 04:54:37 PM
Post by: KitC on October 17, 2007, 09:01:15 PM
salamat sa reply sir,, balak ko kasi gawin ko lng usb interface yung jamlab ,, tpos ung mixer ung ggwin ko kabitan ng inputs para sa drum mics.. ngpatanong ako sa behringer ala raw silang model na Behringer UCA-202 ..
Did you talk to the right behringer guy? eto yun: http://www.behringer.com/UCA202/index.cfm?lang=eng
Usually kasama ang UCA when you buy a Xenyx mixer from Behringer.
The Jamlab CANNOT be used to connect your mixer to the computer simply because it doesn't have line inputs, only a single guitar input. The mixer's outputs are line level out and it should be connected to a soundcard's line level inputs, which the Jamlab has none. Research carefully before you make an expensive mistake.
Post by: adler on October 19, 2007, 05:24:35 PM
Post by: faceless on October 20, 2007, 03:24:11 PM
m using an old ecs a530 laptop, 20gb hd and 384 RAM, mejo low end na, but i'm considering the guitar interface usb based gadgets(tama ba ung term?) like the M-AUDIO Jam Lab Guitar USB Audio Interface or the behringer guitar link UCG102.
are these good enough gadgets to record? any experiences with 'em? ano nga pla ang "latency" i usually read sa mga posts, but doesn't care to check.
i'm kinda off with budget kaya m opting for the ucg102 though i still wanna hear your expert opinions on this. all i want is a straight plug and play recording.
tnx! :-D
Post by: KitC on October 20, 2007, 04:40:30 PM
You can get by with the Behringer or the M-Audio if all you are concerned with is recording audio. I've read the specs of the M-Audio and it allows hardware monitoring, but it doesn't seem to allow DSP processing so you can't directly record a clean signal (while monitoring with effects) for later processing. Either you record your guitar wet with distortion, or you teach yourself how to record with a clean tone. One thing you should not do is to record with reverb and other time-based fx like delay; this can muddy up a mix very easily.
Good luck!
Post by: faceless on October 20, 2007, 05:04:02 PM
that's an awesome fast reply! :evil:
Post by: KitC on October 20, 2007, 06:00:13 PM
I forgot to mention the reasons for an external drive. For one thing, slow internal drives usually mean low track counts. Most internal laptop drives are either 4200 or 5400 rpm, good for several tracks of audio, bad if you intend to push your system to something like 20 plus tracks. I highly recommend getting a 7200 rpm external drive. Make sure it is either firewire or USB2, usb 1.1 is too slow for audio. An alternative is to also replace your laptop's internal drive.
IMO, it is better to have an externally powered external drive rather than one that gets it's power from the FW or USB bus. Laptops have an unnerving way of saving power. You might even have to save up for some battery backup (a la APC) just in case the power goes out during a write. One of the things we want to avoid is data corruption and possible damage to the hard disk.
Post by: faceless on October 20, 2007, 11:09:00 PM
i got an extra 80gb seagate@ 7200 rpm. however, are the external casing sold by cdr king OR COMPUTER SHOPS ok? ung mga naka usb, i can't remember if its usb 2.0 na pero i guess its powered by xternal source pa.
btw sir regarding latency sa previous post ko, what does it mean? i read stuff like "suffering from latency and all."..will the behringer suffer from latency? tama ba?
tnx again and more power!!!!
Post by: KitC on October 20, 2007, 11:37:37 PM
As for latency, that is the roundabout time it takes for audio to go into a soundcard, get processed by the software and cpu, then make it's way out of the soundcard for you to hear what you are recording (often called monitoring). This is directly related to your computer's processor, it's operating system, and the efficiency of your soundcard and it's drivers. Lower latency times place a higher load on your cpu; go low enough and your pc might throw in the towel and give up. A very good soundcard with very good drivers will likely give you very low latencies although there are always limits. ALL soundcards suffer from some form of latency, it's the nature of the beast. The trick is finding the right soundcard that is both affordable and efficient, and has what you need in terms of inputs and outputs. Behringer is somewhat new to the soundcard business and from what I've been reading about their UCA, the latency is somewhat high.
Post by: in_the_tent on October 22, 2007, 08:37:43 AM
i have a mixer (not a USB/Firewire) ang a PC at home. i think 1/8" ang input ng PC. (Please correct me if I'm wrong..) Ang out naman ng mixer ay 1/4". How do I connect my mixer to the PC?
mixer out(stereo) -
RCA-1/8" cable (with RCA-1/4" adapters) -
PC 1/8" input
tama ba ang connection na nasa isip ko? or do i need a gadget pa (interface ba yun?) to connect?
thanks for your extremely patient advice. :-D
Post by: maplesyrup on October 31, 2007, 06:40:40 PM
1.PRESONUS FIREPOD
2.BEHRINGER ADA8000 UTRAGAIN PRO
3.BEHRINGER POWERPLAY PRO-8
4.ALESIS M1 MONITOR
5.AUDIX FUSION DRUM MICS
6.MXL990/991
7.SHURE SM57
8.SHURE SM58
at marami pang iba..
pasensya na kung masyadong tagalog ang aking pananalita.. alam kong puro maka engles ang mga tao dito..MULI.. pasensya napo! pinoy lang! sanay ma2lungan nyo ako! paki typ narin kung ano yung mga specs ng pc! cause u know! este... (tagalog nga pala!) " alam nyo na!
P.S macoy wag kana sumagot! alam kona sasagot mo! hahahaha! :-D
Post by: tam_guitar on November 02, 2007, 10:27:48 PM
adobe audition is not one of them...
why!?!?!
its always, cubase, sonar, etc...
Post by: KitC on November 02, 2007, 10:38:37 PM
@tam_guitar - it's because Audition is audio only. I think one of the pre-requisites of being a full-fledged DAW is that it should also have midi capability.
Post by: stilljey on November 03, 2007, 05:35:47 AM
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z223/reyjavik_bucket/EMU1212m.jpg)
Post by: maplesyrup on November 03, 2007, 08:39:21 AM
SIR KITC ANO MASASABI MO SA FIRESTUDIO? OKS PABA DAGDAGAN NG ADA8000 YUN.. MUKHANG OK NAMAN NA ATA UNG 18 INPUTS SA RECORDING...
MEDYO NAGUGULUHAN KASI AKO DYAN SA (8 analog, 8 ADAT, 2 spdif)
PAKI EXPLAIN SIR...
PASENSYA NA KASI TALAGANG BAGO PALANG AKO NAG AARAL NG RECORDING,ALAM KO LANG UMUPO SA STUDIO AT PUMALO! EHEHEHE!
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
PS. NATAPAKAN KO ATA UNG TANONG NI "in_the_tent" PAKI SAGOT NA LANG YUNG SA KANYA MUNA! PASENSYA NA.. BAKA BAWAL KASI MAGTANONG DITO PAG DIPA NASASAGOT YUNG TANONG NUNG NAUNA! PASENSYA NA ULIT!
Post by: KitC on November 03, 2007, 09:39:37 AM
@maplesyrup - maganda ang Firestudio on paper, pero I haven't been reading a lot of favorable reviews. According to some users, the Firestudio drivers are a bit quirky; my educated guess points to the firewire chipsets on some motherboards, YMMV. The Firestudio has ADAT ports allowing you to add the ADA8000, giving you a total of 16 analog I/O. ADAT and spdif are digital audio protocols; ADAT allows for 8 channels of audio on a single lightpipe (fiberoptic cable), while spdif is a 2-channel stereo protocol that can use optical (fiberoptic) or electrical (75-ohm coax) connections. Try to learn the specs of the gear you want to acquire. Mahirap na bibili ka ng gamit pero di mo alam kung tama para sa pangangailangan mo ang features niya. :|
HTH!
Post by: maplesyrup on November 03, 2007, 05:53:15 PM
Post by: stilljey on November 03, 2007, 06:11:23 PM
The 0202 is connected via ribbon cable to the 1010 card.
thanks sir, Im using S6PE at heto yung plano kong bilhin , Emu 1212M PCI 24-Bit/192kHz Balanced Interface (Windows) Mastering-grade 24-bit, 192kHz converters. Compatible ba sila at ma eedit ang midi?
Post by: tam_guitar on November 03, 2007, 06:24:45 PM
@maplesyrup - do you have plans to record more than 8 simultaneous tracks? I don't think the firepod can accomodate the ADA8000 since it does not have adat capability. You need the Firestudio for 18 inputs (8 analog, 8 ADAT, 2 spdif) but research a bit on it's drivers and software compatibility. One of the biggest irritants with the Firepod is the lack of a software mixer, unlike it's little brother, the Firebox.
@tam_guitar - it's because Audition is audio only. I think one of the pre-requisites of being a full-fledged DAW is that it should also have midi capability.
but sir KitC,
i think that Audition is a powerful audio program...i think its unfair for adobe to be left behind.
hehe...
anyways. i have never tried to use cubase, sonar...etc.
can u pls give me a review on this softwares...if u dnt mind sir.
Post by: KitC on November 03, 2007, 10:59:36 PM
thanks sir, Im using S6PE at heto yung plano kong bilhin , Emu 1212M PCI 24-Bit/192kHz Balanced Interface (Windows) Mastering-grade 24-bit, 192kHz converters. Compatible ba sila at ma eedit ang midi?
Well, I'm using the 1212's big brother, the 1820m and I swear by it. Let's just say that my soundstage opened up greatly when I moved to the Emu. You might have a better alternative in the 1212 since you are not tied to the 1820m's preamps, which though good, have exhibited some strange quirks.
The problem though is that Emu's parent company, Creative, is apparently in the middle of a financial crisis. While the Emu is a very good mid-level card, there are concerns about the company's longevity given Creative's financial woes. I suggest a wait-and-see approach or maybe try alternatives, like Echo's Audiofire, Presonus' Inspire, Edirol's UA and FA interfaces, or even Digidesign's Mbox2 mini, which are quite close in terms of price. That said, you won't find similar converters for the 1212's price, however.
@tam_guitar - while technically a DAW is supposed to mean Digital Audio Workstation so that means Audition falls within the confines of that definition, some others have decided to raise the bar on the definition by including the capability to process midi. If there's one thing you cannot do in Audition, it's edit a midi track. Sure you can import a midi file, but the most you can do is assign the track to a port but you cannot play softsynths or even edit out a note. As of Audition 2.0, I haven't seen any facility to manipulate midi data, which is the reason Audition sometimes isn't included in comparison with Cubase, Sonar and the like. Even FL and Ableton Live are more considered as DAW software because of their midi and audio capabilities.
Post by: tam_guitar on November 03, 2007, 11:39:56 PM
Well, I'm using the 1212's big brother, the 1820m and I swear by it. Let's just say that my soundstage opened up greatly when I moved to the Emu. You might have a better alternative in the 1212 since you are not tied to the 1820m's preamps, which though good, have exhibited some strange quirks.
The problem though is that Emu's parent company, Creative, is apparently in the middle of a financial crisis. While the Emu is a very good mid-level card, there are concerns about the company's longevity given Creative's financial woes. I suggest a wait-and-see approach or maybe try alternatives, like Echo's Audiofire, Presonus' Inspire, Edirol's UA and FA interfaces, or even Digidesign's Mbox2 mini, which are quite close in terms of price. That said, you won't find similar converters for the 1212's price, however.
@tam_guitar - while technically a DAW is supposed to mean Digital Audio Workstation so that means Audition falls within the confines of that definition, some others have decided to raise the bar on the definition by including the capability to process midi. If there's one thing you cannot do in Audition, it's edit a midi track. Sure you can import a midi file, but the most you can do is assign the track to a port but you cannot play softsynths or even edit out a note. As of Audition 2.0, I haven't seen any facility to manipulate midi data, which is the reason Audition sometimes isn't included in comparison with Cubase, Sonar and the like. Even FL and Ableton Live are more considered as DAW software because of their midi and audio capabilities.
Sir KitC,
therefore...i will use AUDITION for audio editing and mastering, and FL STUDIO for MIDI editing...and drums...hehe
yah think itll work!?
Post by: KitC on November 03, 2007, 11:47:50 PM
Sir KitC,
therefore...i will use AUDITION for audio editing and mastering, and FL STUDIO for MIDI editing...and drums...hehe
yah think itll work!?
Well, yeh... if you like moving continually between 2 programs. One of the reasons why I prefer Cubase and Sonar... no need to shift to another program when I have to edit audio and midi at the same time. One thing I do, however, is use an audio editing program like Wavelab to do my 'mastering'; these kinds of programs excel at this thing, and Audition (formerly CoolEdit) was and is an audio editing program at it's core.
Post by: tam_guitar on November 04, 2007, 12:02:16 AM
i understand now.
until i download sonar or cubase...il stick with FL STUDIO and AUDITION
btw, my soundcard is just a CREATIVE VALUE "something" card...
BTW
sir KITC,
i have the PSP VINTAGE WARMER plugin...its a compressor right!? u like!? i dont...i dnt knw y. :lol:
Post by: KitC on November 04, 2007, 01:30:30 AM
Careful... you know how we are about piracy here considering that a lot of us are registered users of the software we use. Instead of Sonar and Cubase, I suggest getting Reaper instead. It's uncrippled, unexpiring shareware, and it doesn't need a crack in order to operate. You can even run it off a thumbdrive since it is only a few megs, but it has capabilities that approach most major daw software.
Don't worry about the Value card... I had one a long time ago and it was quite sufficient for learning about recording and for doing demos; I learned how to make soundfonts (and subsequently sampling) on the darned thing. Plus, it's practically guaranteed to work with most games (semipro and pro soundcards can be less tolerant of gaming).
Post by: tam_guitar on November 04, 2007, 03:08:05 AM
copy that!
Post by: stilljey on November 04, 2007, 05:23:04 AM
Well, I'm using the 1212's big brother, the 1820m and I swear by it. Let's just say that my soundstage opened up greatly when I moved to the Emu. You might have a better alternative in the 1212 since you are not tied to the 1820m's preamps, which though good, have exhibited some strange quirks.Ok Thanks sir, have a good day!
The problem though is that Emu's parent company, Creative, is apparently in the middle of a financial crisis. While the Emu is a very good mid-level card, there are concerns about the company's longevity given Creative's financial woes. I suggest a wait-and-see approach or maybe try alternatives, like Echo's Audiofire, Presonus' Inspire, Edirol's UA and FA interfaces, or even Digidesign's Mbox2 mini, which are quite close in terms of price. That said, you won't find similar converters for the 1212's price, however.
Post by: tam_guitar on November 04, 2007, 08:45:02 PM
i purchase today a Sony MDR-V150 monitor headphone...it sucks!!! i hate it. maganda pa ung headphone na CDRKING
P1,400 ung price...
i wanna return it!!! do u think they will accept!?!?! AUTOMATIC CENTER
do u have any experience similar to this!?
bad comments:
muddy. too much mid. almost no high. espesyali kapag full band na!!! to much bass....its eating the whole audio! and the BOX SAYS "MONITOR HEADPHONE"
geez!!!
Post by: KitC on November 04, 2007, 08:55:19 PM
Post by: tam_guitar on November 04, 2007, 08:59:32 PM
tsk tsk...nganget talaga to eh...
btw, when using headphones as monitors...
ung master volume lagi 0db!? or higher...kasi basag to kapag malakas na...
ung windows mixer, todo lahat sir!?
i tested the SONY MONITOR HEADPHONE...at 15000Hz wala na ako marinig at 30Hz lang ang rinig...
is that ok!?
sabi sa specs frequency response ay 16-22,000Hz
:?
Post by: KitC on November 04, 2007, 09:04:56 PM
btw, when using headphones as monitors...
ung master volume lagi 0db!? or higher...
No. Use a level you're comfortable with. Always protect your hearing, unless of course you're Beethoven's reincarnation, then it won't matter if you go deaf.
Post by: tam_guitar on November 04, 2007, 09:12:04 PM
ung headphone hnd...awww :-(
Post by: in_the_tent on November 07, 2007, 04:31:52 PM
Hi guys. I'm not sure kung naitanong na ito sa mga thread dito. I've read the thread before pero baka di ko lang naintindihan kung meron mang info regarding this. I hope you'll be patient answering my questions. Please give some "IDIOT PROOF" answers oki? hehe.
i have a mixer (not a USB/Firewire) ang a PC at home. i think 1/8" ang input ng PC. (Please correct me if I'm wrong..) Ang out naman ng mixer ay 1/4". How do I connect my mixer to the PC?
mixer out(stereo) -
RCA-1/8" cable (with RCA-1/4" adapters) -
PC 1/8" input
tama ba ang connection na nasa isip ko? or do i need a gadget pa (interface ba yun?) to connect?
thanks for your extremely patient advice. :-D
mga kaforum.. bakit walang sumagot?
Post by: KitC on November 07, 2007, 05:47:15 PM
mga kaforum.. bakit walang sumagot?
Let's put it this way... you can't be an idiot with these things. Somehow, someway, technology 'to, and you can't just allow yourself not to know about these things. Ignorance is how equipment gets trashed and good gear just gets wasted.
Judging from your pc, you're either connecting to the onboard inputs or a consumer gaming soundcard. If you're only concerned with recording demos and maybe a few ideas, you can get by with this pero if you're after some serious recording, don't waste your time and just get a better soundcard. As it is, you can only record 2 channels or a plain stereo mix from the mixer. Anything other than that will require a whole lot of perseverance from you.
Simply connect the 1/8" stereo y-cable from the pc to the mixer's main or control room outs... ok na yun.
Post by: in_the_tent on November 07, 2007, 06:47:31 PM
Post by: guitaricci on November 10, 2007, 02:12:04 PM
My setup is...
Guitar -> DI Box -> Laptop Soundcard
..the cable I will use will have an XLR plug (for DI Box out) on one end and a Stereo Plug (for Sound Card in) on the other end
Mawawala po ba yung pagka "balanced" nung signal from the DI box to the Laptop Soundcard dahil i-coconvert ko yung isang dulo ng XLR cable from XLR plug to stereo plug? :? :?
Thanks... :-)
Post by: KitC on November 11, 2007, 02:16:16 AM
Mawawala po ba yung pagka "balanced" nung signal from the DI box to the Laptop Soundcard dahil i-coconvert ko yung isang dulo ng XLR cable from XLR plug to stereo plug? :? :?
Definitely.
A DI's balanced output 'expects' to be connected to a balanced input. In a balanced connection, the same signal is present in pins 2 and 3, but with the signal in pin 3 is opposite in terms of phase polarity to the signal in pin 2. This has noise canceling properties with respect to the connecting cable, plus the signal is summed in the receiving device giving the added benefit of 6 dB of gain. Converting a balanced signal to stereo defeats this purpose, plus summing the 2 channels to a stereo track will result in complete cancellation. Most DI's are designed for unbalanced line level input so there is also the issue of impedance mismatch when connecting a guitar to a typical DI box.
Rather than use a DI, get a pc interface that has guitar/instrument connections instead.
Post by: LouieAzcona on November 23, 2007, 08:54:43 AM
Sir KitC, sorry kung kinulit kita sa kabila ah.
next week po bibilin na namin ung nirecoment niniyo MAudio 1010LT. analaking tulong po ng mga sagot ninyo! salamat!
Post by: bugoy_king on December 14, 2007, 12:31:54 AM
I would like to get your opinion on this probable set-up (for recording drums at home):
- Macbook 2.0 GhZ, 1GB RAM (upgradable)
- Logic Pro
- MOTU UltraLite Firewire Audio Interface (10 in, 14 out)
- studio monitors (most probably Behringer Truth 2031A)
- drum mics (haven't decided which, but leaning towards Shure)
Ok na ba yung ganitong set-up? Thanks!!!
Post by: KitC on December 14, 2007, 12:41:04 AM
Post by: bugoy_king on December 14, 2007, 12:56:22 AM
Thanks for your quick reply!
Post by: audiopanic on December 17, 2007, 02:48:16 PM
i've got a pc with
athlon x2 3400
asrock ALiveNF6G-VSTA (http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=ALiveNF6G-VSTA)
2gb ddr2 533mhz ram
using built-in audio and video
40gb 5400rpm ide hdd
aside from getting another hdd (sata2), what else do i need to record guitar tracks for demo purposes with low latency? should i get a soundcard or a usb interface? i'll try out the reaper software too.
i've tried out this current setup with guitar tracks and i can't get decent real-time recording with my guitar.
suggestions naman po for the cheapest but acceptable setup.
thanks in advance!
Post by: x_taxi on December 17, 2007, 03:10:59 PM
:-) :-) :-)
Post by: audiopanic on December 18, 2007, 02:53:05 PM
Post by: audiopanic on December 19, 2007, 08:21:03 AM
however, i experienced dropouts with guitar tracks pro and couldn't fix them. i switched to reaper and was able to record without any problems. looks like i'll be using that from now on.
thanks sa mga tips!
Post by: solgimichki on December 21, 2007, 03:35:53 AM
my question is... can anyone tell me if there are any existing softwers for recording out there that can run in Vista? and if i were to get an new interface, what brand can format to Vista? please take this as a for-warning to all people that plan to upgrade their OS. VISTA CANNOT COMPLY WID ANY OLD RECORDING PROGMS or INTERFACES... believe me.. i've tried everything from pro tools to nuendo. ung pasok lang was Adobe Audition.. yuk...
thanx in advance!!!
Post by: KitC on December 21, 2007, 07:56:26 AM
my question is... can anyone tell me if there are any existing softwers for recording out there that can run in Vista?
Sonar, beginning with version 5 and above, has been coded to take advantage of Vista specification, especially in areas of 64-bit operation. Try to upgrade to S5 or higher. Most other DAW software are being upgraded for Vista compatibility, albeit slowly.
Much harder is trying to find Vista drivers for a lot of gear, especially 64-bit drivers. Probably explains why blip.tv made this (http://blip.tv/file/340692/).
You will be better off using WinXP for DAW usage in the meantime.
Post by: ecva on January 03, 2008, 05:20:27 PM
Makikitanong na po sana ako.
I have a PC and these are the specs:
Gigabyte P35-DQ6
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600
2GB Corsair XMS2
Palit 8500GT
M-Audio Delta44
M-Audio Trigger Finger
Tanung lang po sana, ano po magandang mixer na i-pair sa delta44? I'm looking at the peavey pv6 mixer since I'm only going to be recording vocals lang and gusto ko sana yung maraming input options but it will only be recorded one track at a time. I'm also looking at behringer mixers. Ano po kaya mas maganda (based on mic pre-amps)?
And can I route the delta44's outputs to the mixer so I can monitor the output? How do I do that so I won't be looping the sounds coming in and out of the interface?
Salamat po ng marami.
Post by: ETM(PHILS) on January 22, 2008, 11:19:11 PM
sir, subukan niyo po muna yun asio4all. it's a free asio driver para maayos yun timin issues mo. kung masaya ka na sa quality ng recording through your onboard, then you're set without havin to spend more. HTH.
:-) :-) :-)
sir question?
my PC specs (old)
hardware:
AMD duron 800 mhz
256 MB RAM
100 gb hd
creative soundcard
software:
reaper shareware
may delay nga ang recording ko a small msecond... I just would like to ask kung ano po ba ang asio4all? anong advantage nya for recording? meron akong zoom asio nakainstall...
may sample ako ng recordings ko sa soundclick(my signature)
Thank you.
Post by: wannabeguitarist on January 23, 2008, 07:15:58 AM
Post by: audiopanic on January 23, 2008, 08:13:59 AM
sir question?
my PC specs (old)
hardware:
AMD duron 800 mhz
256 MB RAM
100 gb hd
creative soundcard
software:
reaper shareware
may delay nga ang recording ko a small msecond... I just would like to ask kung ano po ba ang asio4all? anong advantage nya for recording? meron akong zoom asio nakainstall...
may sample ako ng recordings ko sa soundclick(my signature)
Thank you.
sinubukan ko rin yung asio4all, as suggested. nagkaroon ng asio driver yung mga audio devices ko (sound card, zoom g2.1u) so instead na wdm, asio na gamit ko kaya nawala yung latency. nakakapagrecord na ako ng tracks realtime kahit naka-playback yung ibang tracks - hindi ko magawa yun nung wala pa akong asio4all.
Post by: KitC on January 23, 2008, 10:22:55 AM
The asio4all drivers are ok, but I got better performance using kxdrivers with soundblasters.
aspiring to do recording, what are the basic equipments I need? yung pang beginer lang. thanks
Most computers today have what you need to start recording; internal soundcard with line inputs and outputs, all you have to add is a mixer to be able to accept multiple inputs. Bear in mind that the onboard soundcard will have compromised sound quality so don't expect to release pro sounding recordings with that. You don't need a mixer if you already have equipment with suitable line outputs. Examples are keyboards and some digital guitar multifx, but if you want to record vocals, you will need a mic preamp and a mic of course. Behringer mixers are inexpensive enough for beginners and come with several mic preamps - some models even have built-in fx.
Post by: LouieAzcona on January 23, 2008, 08:28:34 PM
Post by: KitC on January 23, 2008, 09:08:05 PM
sir kit, binabasa ko kasi mga previous posts niyo dito, ano po ba ibig sabihin ng paga-assemble ng PC depende sa software? paano po malalaman kung ano ang kailangan ng software? pano kung sonar 7 or protools?
Sonar, for example, has a minimum requirement: at least 1 GHz processor with at least 256 megs of ram. Understand that if you follow these specs, your computer will most likely crawl or grind to a screeching stop if you follow this minimum so it's entirely reasonable to expect that you should multiply the minimum values by at least 1.5 if you want to be able to do SOME audio work with your computer. Add the fact that Sonar is windows only so this somehow directs your hardware choice, although you can run Sonar on a Mac using Bootcamp, albeit with a few limitations.
There are software that are dual platform, Cubase/Nuendo, in particular, so choosing either Steinberg product will give you some flexibility in choosing your computing platform. Other software such as Logic Pro and Digital Performer are Mac only so that definitely mitigates usage in a PC. ProTools is also dual platform, btw, but the HD version of PT is so very specific with hardware requirements that it's almost mandatory to use Macs in order to avoid hardware issues. That is not to say you can't run PT on windows, but Digidesign is really picky when it comes to windows hardware.
Another factor is the soundcard. Some motherboard chipsets have issues with soundcards. For example, if you intend to use a firewire audio interface, the firewire chipset of choice is Texas Instruments. This is not some urban legend, but was arrived at by several respected DAW builders who experienced glitches with other FW chipsets such as Via, Agere and Ricoh (although Via seems to be on the rebound lately). On the pci card side, Intel's P35 is emerging as the chipset of choice nowadays, superceding the former P965 and 975 chipsets. Another thing is that pci soundcards are SLOWWLLLYYY transitioning to pcie. Some mobos only have 2 pci slots while the newer Intel X38 and X48 mobos have absolutely none, so getting a pci soundcard for an X48 mobo is just plain... you know. One more thing... some soundcards, such as Apogee's Ensemble, are Mac only so that definitely dictates your choice of computer hardware.
DAW software developers usually publish a list of recommended soundcards for their products. Cakewalk, for example, has a list of approved soundcards and listed issues with some cards previously. Usually, this is not a problem since soundcard manufacturers often release driver updates to correct these issues.
If you want to see which soundcards are usually recommended with certain DAW software, go to their user forums. I lurked in the Cakewalk forums for a year before I developed my present DAW.
Post by: LouieAzcona on January 23, 2008, 09:31:02 PM
If you want to see which soundcards are usually recommended with certain DAW software, go to their user forums. I lurked in the Cakewalk forums for a year before I developed my present DAW.
magandang inspiration ito. salamat po!
Post by: wannabeguitarist on January 24, 2008, 02:01:28 AM
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Most computers today have what you need to start recording; internal soundcard with line inputs and outputs, all you have to add is a mixer to be able to accept multiple inputs. Bear in mind that the onboard soundcard will have compromised sound quality so don't expect to release pro sounding recordings with that. You don't need a mixer if you already have equipment with suitable line outputs. Examples are keyboards and some digital guitar multifx, but if you want to record vocals, you will need a mic preamp and a mic of course. Behringer mixers are inexpensive enough for beginners and come with several mic preamps - some models even have built-in fx.
Thanks!
Post by: dorothegreat on January 27, 2008, 01:55:00 PM
Post by: KitC on January 27, 2008, 04:25:47 PM
sir kit, magandang araw po, ok lang po ba na gumamit ng USB soundcard ng cdr-king para sa input (guitar) at the same time ay may soundcard? salamat po.
Pwede, pero it depends on which drivers your DAW is using. Asio, for example, accesses only one device at a time so you cannot use your usb guitar input at the same time as the pci or onboard soundcard. You can access multiple soundcards using wdm, but your latency can be much higher overall plus the lack of clock sync between the 2 devices.
Monitoring is often a problem when using 2 soundcards simultaneously unless you have a mixer for combining both soundcard's outputs. In my experience, asio often gives better latency performance, but I suggest experimenting with your setup to find out which is more efficient.
Post by: KitC on January 27, 2008, 04:26:05 PM
sir kit, magandang araw po, ok lang po ba na gumamit ng USB soundcard ng cdr-king para sa input (guitar) at the same time ay may soundcard? salamat po.
Pwede, pero it depends on which drivers your DAW is using. Asio, for example, accesses only one device at a time so you cannot use your usb guitar input at the same time as the pci or onboard soundcard. You can access multiple soundcards using wdm, but your latency can be much higher overall plus the lack of clock sync between the 2 devices.
Monitoring is often a problem when using 2 soundcards simultaneously unless you have a mixer for combining both soundcard's outputs. In my experience, asio often gives better latency performance, but I suggest experimenting with your setup to find out which is more efficient.
Post by: dorothegreat on January 27, 2008, 05:58:00 PM
nga pala, advise n din po kung dapat po e guitar straight to pc (tapos use plug-ins na lang) or mag-fx na po ako between guitar and pc? :-D
Post by: inot1227 on February 05, 2008, 02:41:33 PM
im planning to start some intial guitar recording on my laptop,
is the E-MU 1616 enough?
i can do complete,album quality recording with it?
To do complete music recording with it,
i can get/produce all the drums, bass & vocals just from using it?
thanks,
in0t
Post by: KitC on February 05, 2008, 05:06:06 PM
nga pala, advise n din po kung dapat po e guitar straight to pc (tapos use plug-ins na lang) or mag-fx na po ako between guitar and pc? :-D
For some strange reason, your post did not get marked as 'unread', sorry if I just answered today.
Your should have no problem multitracking with either GT Pro or Sonar. Your chosen soundcard is not the best, though. It might be wise to replace it with something better.
As for recording guitar straight to pc, we do it a lot at PIMP and use plugins, but we route guitars through a DI before going into the soundcard. This is to prevent tonesuck; you can also use a preamp like the ART Tube MP or Behri Mic200 which has DI capabilities.
Post by: KitC on February 05, 2008, 05:12:24 PM
im planning to start some intial guitar recording on my laptop,
is the E-MU 1616 enough?
i can do complete,album quality recording with it?
While the 1616 is a very good interface, remember that you can only access 6 analog inputs in it's most basic configuration; you will have to expand it with an 8-channel preamp with ADAT outputs to be able to increase it's I/O capability.
As is, the Emu converters are quite good but I heard you can make them sound even better by using a very good external clock such as Apogee's Big Ben or Lucid's Master Clock. I've been considering Black Lion Audio's clock for my 1820m.
Post by: wannabeguitarist on February 06, 2008, 03:33:57 AM
I'm currently recording using my zoom G7, cubase and laptop..questions po...
1. How can I convert the recorded music to audio?
2. Can I use zoom G7 to record the vocals
Hope you can help me...
Thanks!
Post by: KitC on February 06, 2008, 03:51:25 AM
I'm currently recording using my zoom G7, cubase and laptop..questions po...
1. How can I convert the recorded music to audio?
Once the audio is in Cubase, just export the track/s to wav. Set the left and right markers and highlight the tracks you want to export; mute the tracks you don't want. Of course, perform any mixing and editing prior to exporting. Once you have a wav mixdown, you can convert it to mp3 or burn to cd accordingly.
2. Can I use zoom G7 to record the vocals?
No, although in theory, you can use an unbalanced mic through your G7 if you want to risk it. I don't recommend going that route if you want and need clean sounding vocals. You will need a separate audio interface, preamp and mic to record vocals... or do what I used to do: record a guide track, go to a studio with a great mic, record all vox and dubs there then bring home the tracks (raw) and perform final mixdown at home.
Post by: wannabeguitarist on February 06, 2008, 04:00:11 AM
Post by: dorothegreat on February 06, 2008, 12:35:12 PM
maraming salamat po sa reply :-D
Post by: titser_marco on February 24, 2008, 05:43:59 PM
I have a Delta 44 coming in and I was wondering if it could sync with another Delta 44. I've googled the thing up and I've been getting confusing answers because some say it's fine while some say it's not possible because of the lack of an SPDIF out and in. Please advise. Thanks!
Post by: KitC on February 26, 2008, 01:29:28 PM
I have a Delta 44 coming in and I was wondering if it could sync with another Delta 44. I've googled the thing up and I've been getting confusing answers because some say it's fine while some say it's not possible because of the lack of an SPDIF out and in. Please advise. Thanks!
From what I know about Maudio, the 44's will sync via their drivers. Unfortunately, the configuration will most likely be 8 simultaneous inputs but only 4 outs accessible via a single card/breakout box. For some strange reason, not all 8 outputs are simultaneously available. Can someone pls. confirm?
Post by: audionoob on February 27, 2008, 06:00:14 AM
Usually may preamp na ang mixer. Usually the number of XLR inputs equals the number of available preamps. Make sure that the number of preamps are what you need. Most mixers under 16 channels only have 2 to 6 preamps, which may be insufficient for your needs. If you decide on a 12-channel mixer with only 4 preamps, for ex., you can supplant those with external preamps connected to the line inputs such as the MIC200 or TubeMP.
hello po. sorry for quoting an old post. My boss recently setup a small studio for recording solo vocals (as a hobby), the problem now was that, i was thrust into taking care of it without any knowledge of audio recording using hardware such as mixers, condenser mics, etc. (except maybe connecting headphone-outs of cassette players to line-ins of sound cards for transferring audio-tapes to CDs) so i have a few questions:
1. my boss already have a mixer (MEKSE MR2012 (http://www.mekse.cl/productsmixer.htm)), a condenser mic (Samson C01), and a PC. The technician who set the connections told us that the mixer doesn't have the ability to provide phantom power to the mic so we can't use it. If we are to use a mic-preamp and attached that to the mixer, will it work? the cheapest mic-preamp we can find is the M-Audio Buddy Mic Preamp, is this ok for voice+music recordings to PC?
basic setup would be?
condenser mic --> mic-preamp --> mixer --> PC (onboard sound) --> software
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+--> amplifier --> speaker (monitor)
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2. another question, how can i record the vocals separate from the music on the PC? is it okay to pan the vocals to the right and the music to the left so i can get separate tracks on my recording? that way i can easily edit the vocals without affecting the music and vice versa? is this possible? or what's the best method without requiring any additional hardware? i'm using Audacity BTW as my recording software.
3. Any methods of controlling the volume going to the PC? Should I max the volume sliders and trim the volume in mixer?
a bit off-topic...
4. Any thread for posting sample recordings and get some inputs on what needs to be enhanced, removed, added, etc.?
sorry, but i really have no idea about studio recordings and equipment :(
but would really like to learn.
Thanks for any help.
Post by: luin_theblue on March 04, 2008, 09:53:32 AM
For those who have tube preamps, I highly suggest you replace the stock tubes with branded ones because it's a big, big steal and improves sound quality a gazillion times more. I changed the tubes of my ART Tube Preamp (Chinese 12ax7 stock) and Behringer MIC100 (Behringer 12ax7 hand-selected stock) to Tung-Sols from MF and they are very round, quiet, and warm. I feel like when I record vocals, the singer's/speaker's voice gets sucked into the mic, through the preamps, and into the system. Hehe.
Just my two cents. :mrgreen:
Now I have a question, my motherboard has HD audio which is incompatible with my Alesis firewire mixer (12-channels). Should I get a soundcard OR turn my mixer into the soundcard (software is Sonar 6 Home Studio)
Post by: KitC on March 04, 2008, 11:26:41 AM
Now I have a question, my motherboard has HD audio which is incompatible with my Alesis firewire mixer (12-channels). Should I get a soundcard OR turn my mixer into the soundcard (software is Sonar 6 Home Studio)
Disable onboard sound if you're not using it. HD audio normally is 5.1 and the rear panel inputs only offer limited I/O. You get more inputs when using the Alesis directly; the mixer becomes the soundcard. Just make sure about the firewire chipset on your mobo - Via firewire has proven to be problematic for some people in the past, with TI firewire chipsets often recommended.
Post by: luin_theblue on March 04, 2008, 11:30:16 AM
:mrgreen:
Post by: KitC on March 04, 2008, 01:34:54 PM
Firewire is a PCI card no prob.
That may still be a problem is the chipset on the card is Via, Agere or sometimes, Ricoh. Like I said, the FW chipset has to be TI. Even then, you have to make sure that the FW card isn't a combi 1394a/1394b card (FW400/800) - even TI chips have proven to be problematic with these 'combi' cards. Better to use solo FW400 TI chip cards. Certain high end mobos offer TI FW onboard, among them Gigabyte , Asus and Abit.
Post by: luin_theblue on March 04, 2008, 01:40:02 PM
That may still be a problem is the chipset on the card is Via, Agere or sometimes, Ricoh. Like I said, the FW chipset has to be TI. Even then, you have to make sure that the FW card isn't a combi 1394a/1394b card (FW400/800) - even TI chips have proven to be problematic with these 'combi' cards. Better to use solo FW400 TI chip cards. Certain high end mobos offer TI FW onboard, among them Gigabyte , Asus and Abit.
Mine's an Inno3d firewire card (2 external,1 internal firewire ports). I bought it before only thinking video editing in my head. Would you know if this would cause problems?
Post by: KitC on March 04, 2008, 01:49:42 PM
Mine's an Inno3d firewire card (2 external,1 internal firewire ports). I bought it before only thinking video editing in my head. Would you know if this would cause problems?
I doubt you will find TI on inexpensive FW cards. The only way to find out if the Inno3D will give you problems is to try it out with the Alesis (I'm sure Inno uses Via). First thing to do is to put the FW card in a slot that does not share an IRQ with anything! That alone will solve a lot of problems but will not solve a bad chipset problem.
Post by: in_the_tent on March 11, 2008, 12:26:32 AM
Post by: KitC on March 11, 2008, 01:10:12 AM
simple question.. kapag ang gagamitin for recording ay webcam mic, kelangan pa ba ng software para marecord?
If you're recording to video (pron, maybe?), then the video capture software normally records audio with the video. But if you only want to capture audio, you will need some form of audio recording software - even simple Sound Recorder will do. Remember that this mic will most likely only have directsound/wdm drivers and latency might be a problem.
Post by: KitC on March 11, 2008, 01:10:21 AM
simple question.. kapag ang gagamitin for recording ay webcam mic, kelangan pa ba ng software para marecord?
If you're recording to video (pron, maybe?), then the video capture software normally records audio with the video. But if you only want to capture audio, you will need some form of audio recording software - even simple Sound Recorder will do. Remember that this mic will most likely only have directsound/wdm drivers and latency might be a problem.
Post by: in_the_tent on March 11, 2008, 11:02:04 AM
If you're recording to video (pron, maybe?), then the video capture software normally records audio with the video. But if you only want to capture audio, you will need some form of audio recording software - even simple Sound Recorder will do. Remember that this mic will most likely only have directsound/wdm drivers and latency might be a problem.ano po yung pron?
so i still need to buy a video capture software? o kasama na yun nung uninstall ang A4TECH webcam ko sa pc?
Is "SOUND RECORDER" a name of a software? san binibili ito? mga how much? o downloadable ba ito? how about yung KRISTAL? Me nadownload ako eh. free daw. legal naman ho yun right? di ko lang alam gamitin pa.:)
noted po ung sa latancy.
thanks sir kit for your kind reply.:)
Post by: KitC on March 11, 2008, 11:20:59 AM
ano po yung pron?
pron is webspeak for P--N (invert pron's 2 middle letters). Amateur productions of this video 'artform' have greatly increased since they introduced webcams into most peoples bedrooms (or kitchens or living rooms or bathrooms, basements, trees in backyards... you get the picture).
so i still need to buy a video capture software? o kasama na yun nung uninstall ang A4TECH webcam ko sa pc?
Depends if the camera came with some rudimentary video capture software. Windows usually has Movie Maker which can capture video and audio (look in the Accessories folder).
Is "SOUND RECORDER" a name of a software? san binibili ito? mga how much? o downloadable ba ito? how about yung KRISTAL? Me nadownload ako eh. free daw. legal naman ho yun right? di ko lang alam gamitin pa.:)
You can find Sound Recorder in the Accessories folder; it is a very rudimentary audio recording program built into windows. You can also use Kristal, Audacity and any other software as long as it can access the webcam mic via windows drivers. Usually you will have to assign the mic as the default audio input device in window's Sound Control Panel.
Post by: marikukuk on March 18, 2008, 01:37:49 AM
Post by: wannabeguitarist on March 18, 2008, 02:50:44 AM
question...I was able to record using my g7.1, pc and cubase, but when i played it via my pc or ipod, the sound volume is low. What do i need to adjust duirng recording to resolve this? Thanks in advance!
Post by: KitC on March 18, 2008, 12:24:22 PM
question...I was able to record using my g7.1, pc and cubase, but when i played it via my pc or ipod, the sound volume is low. What do i need to adjust duirng recording to resolve this? Thanks in advance!
Well, one thing you should always do is check levels prior to pressing the record button. Normally, I like to set levels to 0 dB for EVERYTHING, including the soundcard's control panel/mixer, then adjust things from there. If you have the volume faders slammed full on and you're still getting low levels, then it's time to check your signal chain - most likely you have external equipment that is outputting low levels or even a defective cable.
Another thing to check is your monitoring; you might have your monitors at too loud levels forcing you to overcompensate your recording levels. I will repeat, set your soundcard to 0 dB for both input and output, then adjust your monitors and your preamp levels from there.
Post by: haey2 on March 26, 2008, 11:51:00 PM
PC w/ jamlab installed
tube amp
guitar effects
>how can i connect my tube amp to my PC in order to record it decently?
>which "affordable" software can you recommend for a hobbyist like me?
i'll mostly record guitar tracks lang naman...thanks in advance... 8-) 8-) 8-)
Post by: diosa! on April 03, 2008, 10:13:44 PM
sir KitC...newbie po in home recording...i just wanted to have some "demo" recordings as my equipments are very limited;
PC w/ jamlab installed
tube amp
guitar effects
>how can i connect my tube amp to my PC in order to record it decently?
>which "affordable" software can you recommend for a hobbyist like me?
i'll mostly record guitar tracks lang naman...thanks in advance... 8-) 8-) 8-)
pm me and ill give you free basic tips. :oops:
Post by: KitC on April 03, 2008, 10:42:38 PM
Anyway, from what I know about Jamlab, you connect your guitar directly to the interface without any need for an amp. This is advantageous in that you don't have to go through the motions of miking an amp (and possibly disturbing the neighbors or other members of the family), and secondly, you have a potentially quieter signal path. Disadvantages are that you cannot record a direct signal and an amp at the same time... you are forced to use amp sims with Jamlab to get your tone. At least it has a headphone/line out giving you low latency monitoring although I'm not exactly sure if it is hardware monitoring.
Post by: haey2 on April 03, 2008, 11:09:28 PM
@diosa! - sent you a pm....thanks in advance 8-)
@KitC - no worries sir...the guitar recording that I get thru the "jamlab" seems to be decent enough for me to use as a demo... I was just thinking if I could record the tone that I get from the tube amp, as it sounds better in my ears...thanks again sir KitC... 8-)
Post by: KitC on April 03, 2008, 11:31:01 PM
I was just thinking if I could record the tone that I get from the tube amp, as it sounds better in my ears...
I'm thinking it would since the Jamlab amp sims aren't it's strongest suit.
I would recommend getting a multiple input interface if you want to simultaneously record the guitar direct signal plus your amp. This would entail adding equipment like a DI, mixer and mic if you're going for a miked setup. The DI will serve as a splitter allowing you to send a direct signal to your interface while another goes to your amp.
Post by: pizarro84 on April 08, 2008, 07:55:13 AM
Post by: blueweller on April 09, 2008, 08:58:08 AM
Here's my newbie question:
Since last year I've always wanted to start and learn recording music via my pc. But because of budget reasons it was delayed. Now that I feel I can pursue (and afford) this dream/goal I want to know what are the basics that needs to be attached or installed to my pc before I begin? I've heard so much about the m-audio interface (fastrack) but is this enough to start recording? What about where to plug in the guitar, mics, bass, etc...? I'm also planning to use Abelton live 7.0.3 is this any good? I was able to download the demo and I find it ok but if you have something else let me know too. What else do I need? Nothing complicated just something to produce good music will do but I'm very much open to alot of suggestions. Sorry to ask so many questions and I'm sure this has been asked a thousand times before but I just wanna learn this so much.
Thanks in advance.
Post by: sound formula on April 10, 2008, 08:33:33 PM
Post by: diosa! on April 12, 2008, 10:40:03 PM
Post by: KitC on April 17, 2008, 07:30:26 PM
@blueweller - the fasttrack can be good if you are recording a stereo track or 2 mono channels simultaneously. Anything more than 2 channels and you will need a multichannel soundcard or use a mixer to submix everything to stereo. I also use Ableton Live but if you intend to treat your computer as a sort of tape recorder, Ableton Live may be not what you need. I like Live for the fact that it's very easy to make rearrangements, but it has a tendency to shorten audio clips to fit the tempo of your project unless you set Live's preferences properly. You can use Live similarly to Sonar and Cubase although it's working paradigm is different from either program.
@sound formula - ram isn't so much a factor during recording, your processor is more than enough for the task. One thing to look at would be your hard disk; either it's fragmented or too slow for the job. Another thing is to record with as little plugins active as possible. Also, check your soundcard latency settings - it might be set too low even for your cpu.
hth,
Post by: blueweller on April 21, 2008, 05:55:59 AM
Thanks!
Post by: kaloyster on April 21, 2008, 09:13:58 AM
Post by: KitC on April 21, 2008, 03:51:07 PM
Thanks sa advise Sir Kit! But for a novice like me and who's just starting from scratch will you recommend the fast track right away?
I'd say it's a safe bet to go with known brands. One more thing, make sure that the inputs (and outputs) are sufficient for your needs. The new Fast Track Pro looks like a good multi-input card but I'm thinking it's pricey.
Post by: titser_marco on April 22, 2008, 11:22:24 PM
I'm planning to run the following software on my PC using a Delta 44 Soundcard:
Sibelius 4
Reaper + A lot of freeware softsynths and VST effects
Sound Forge
Cool Edit Pro
all of which would be running on Windows XP.
What specs should I look for? I'm off to go to Gilmore to get the following:
Processor
Motherboard
RAM
Post by: KitC on April 23, 2008, 12:16:52 AM
hth,
Post by: pizarro84 on April 29, 2008, 04:02:30 AM
Post by: Peter North on June 05, 2008, 03:58:39 PM
I'm planning to record my band. I have an ASUS laptap, core 2 duo, 2 gig of memory, 160 gig hard disk. I'm planning of buying an Alesis Firewire Multimix 12, would this be enough to record drums? How many tracks will appear on my laptap?
pasensya na po, bagito pa ako sa larangan ng recording.
Salamat ng marami.
Post by: KitC on June 05, 2008, 06:40:27 PM
If you use a 4-mic setup for drums, you should have no problems recording an entire band. Note that the Multimix's other channels are ganged to stereo faders as well as being line level inputs only. Unless you have additional preamps for mics, you are limited to the 4 mic preamps in the multimix.
Post by: britesynth on June 05, 2008, 09:14:01 PM
(specs???)
motherboard?...
processor?...
memory?...
soundcard?... (alin mas ok internal or external? - kung external ano advisable?)
15k lang muna po ah ang budget, wala po kasi ako mashado alam pag dating sa specs ng mga pc o laptop,
vocals lang halos ang kelangan irecord ng live (kahit home recording lang o pang demo lang shempre mas maganda kung malinis) yung music sa softwares na, suggestions? :? thanks! :-D
Post by: Peter North on June 06, 2008, 01:14:36 PM
I've read some infos about alesis multimix firewire products and it appears that there are many issues about them. I'm having second thoughts of acquiring one. Anyway, right now i have a mixer with 24 mic preamps (China made mixer). How can i make use of this mixer to record our songs to my laptap? what would be the minimal interface (don't know if its the right term) that i should buy?
Thanks ulit sir.
Post by: KitC on June 06, 2008, 07:35:29 PM
@Peter North - it depends on your mixer configuration. Some 24 channel mixers come in 4-buss or 8-buss configurations which can help you with your soundcard choice, e.g., pair a 4-buss mixer with a 4-input soundcard. I still maintain that if you can afford an interface with at least 8 inputs, the better - you never know when the additional inputs will come in handy. There are loads of firewire interfaces out there from Presonus, Focusrite... even A.R.T. has the Tubefire which pairs 8 of it's TubeMP preamps with a firewire interface. Even Phonic has a firewire mixer similar to Alesis. For the record, we have used an Alesis FW Multimix8 with no problems other than 8 channels is too limiting for our needs - ask xjepoyx for our experience with the Multimix.
Post by: carl20 on June 07, 2008, 09:15:25 AM
Thanks a lot Sir Kit!
I've read some infos about alesis multimix firewire products and it appears that there are many issues about them. I'm having second thoughts of acquiring one. Anyway, right now i have a mixer with 24 mic preamps (China made mixer). How can i make use of this mixer to record our songs to my laptap? what would be the minimal interface (don't know if its the right term) that i should buy?
Thanks ulit sir.
M-Audio delta 1010LT try mo
Post by: Peter North on June 07, 2008, 09:53:53 AM
Ok, i've already asked my cousin in canada to buy me stuff for my home studio. Here's what i've search in ebay so far.
Alesis Multimix 12 firewire - C$ 285.41
Phonic *Helix 18 Firewire b* MKII - C$ 304.83
Given the above products, what would be your recommendation?
Thanks ulit sa walang sawang pagtugon sa aking kakulitan.. hehehehe
God Bless
Post by: KitC on June 07, 2008, 10:11:17 AM
Post by: Peter North on June 07, 2008, 11:35:08 AM
you're d man!
Post by: star on June 07, 2008, 12:56:21 PM
ano po ba exact specs kelangan ko...
MOBO - ?
CPU - ?
RAM - ?
HD - ?
V-card- ?
yung mga hindi ko po nabanggit meron na po ako.. :lol: :wink:
sa sound card naman po budget ko 15k ano po mairecomend nyo?
pang house recording lang po.... my mixer na kmi SL2442 behringer.
Post by: KitC on June 08, 2008, 01:01:58 PM
sir ako BUDGET ko po 25k.. khit wala munang sound card...
ano po ba exact specs kelangan ko...
Next to the software, the soundcard is the most important element you should take into consideration when building your audio computer. That said, based on present chipsets, use an Intel P35 or X38 chipset. Most brands are ok although there have been DPC latency issues with Gigabyte mobos. One thing you should consider is if the mobo is quad core (or more) ready. Unfortunately, the upcoming Nehalem cpu architecture is incompatible the present 775 mobos in the market today.
For ram, get 2 gigs at least DDR2-800. Seagate drives have proven to be quite reliable, get SATA drives (if getting SATAII, make sure your mobo is capable). Vidcard? Any medium powered card will do, you don't need highpowered 8800GTs or 3870 SLI systems for audio work.
Post by: row on June 15, 2008, 03:14:09 PM
Post by: jay_burn on June 23, 2008, 12:48:40 AM
Intel E4600
Gigabyte ga-p35-ds3l
320gb Seagate sata
2x1gb kingston 800 ddr2
Post by: carl20 on June 25, 2008, 04:40:53 PM
hello.. i recently bought an Alesis Firewire Multimix 8 and an ADS Tech PYRO PCI 64R2 Firewire Card. now i'm planning to build a pc for my planned home recording studio. is this specs ok?
Intel E4600
Gigabyte ga-p35-ds3l
320gb Seagate sata
2x1gb kingston 800 ddr2
oks na yan laban na yan!
Post by: jamming_papu on June 26, 2008, 02:16:45 AM
hello.. i recently bought an Alesis Firewire Multimix 8 and an ADS Tech PYRO PCI 64R2 Firewire Card. now i'm planning to build a pc for my planned home recording studio. is this specs ok?
Intel E4600
Gigabyte ga-p35-ds3l
320gb Seagate sata
2x1gb kingston 800 ddr2
not just ok but good. with that memory and processor, simultaneous multi-track won't have a problem. ... i think. i have a 1 gb and all seems well in 3 tracks simultaneous. a 2gb would definitely be better. with a 320 gb SATA, you would probably not worry so much of the big space which audio tracks makes. :-D
Post by: KitC on June 27, 2008, 11:53:42 AM
not just ok but good. with that memory and processor, simultaneous multi-track won't have a problem. ... i think. i have a 1 gb and all seems well in 3 tracks simultaneous. a 2gb would definitely be better. with a 320 gb SATA, you would probably not worry so much of the big space which audio tracks makes. :-D
Experience has taught me that it's better to have 2 or more physical drives instead of just one. Even if you partition a large drive, when you lose the MBR, that drive is format material and you lose all your data. Better to have a small sized system drive (say, 80 gigs) and leave the large drive for your data.
It also pays to backup your projects every once in a while - that why I have a couple of external drives strictly for backing up all my projects, among other stuff :wink: . Think of it... just because the MTBF (mean time between failures) says 1 million hours, it doesn't mean your drive will last that long. Mean time is just the average between 1 hour of flawless operation and 2 million hours before any particular drive... fails.
Post by: jamming_papu on June 28, 2008, 02:27:51 AM
Post by: titser_marco on July 12, 2008, 08:43:38 PM
Post by: KitC on July 14, 2008, 09:41:35 AM
What's a good FW PCI card? I'm thinking of getting an M-Audio FW1814 kasi.
Look for a FW card with a Texas Instruments chipset if you want the least problems. bindoy was selling one in the classifieds not too long ago.
Post by: titser_marco on July 14, 2008, 10:03:40 AM
Look for a FW card with a Texas Instruments chipset if you want the least problems. bindoy was selling one in the classifieds not too long ago.
Boss, I just looked it up, and he's selling a PCMCIA card. I need one san for my PCI slot.
Is it really impossible to work with a Via chipset? I'm using a PIV 2.4GHZ on an MSI board by the way.
Post by: KitC on July 14, 2008, 10:30:49 AM
Boss, I just looked it up, and he's selling a PCMCIA card. I need one san for my PCI slot.
Ganun ba? I know it was a pci card... why not try contacting him to clarify.
Is it really impossible to work with a Via chipset? I'm using a PIV 2.4GHZ on an MSI board by the way.
Medyo touch and go ang mga via. It's usually dependent on the FW drivers kasi. The only way to find out is to try. Max out the track count during recording and see how far you can get with the via FW. RME have successfully used their Fireface with Via FW... who knows? Maybe Via got their drivers right this time and Maudio is more attuned to Via.
Post by: x_taxi on July 14, 2008, 11:18:15 AM
some people at the digidesign forums have had more success with an audigy than some pci firewire cards.
:-) :-) :-)
Post by: notEworthy27 on August 01, 2008, 04:05:46 AM
Post by: LouieAzcona on August 01, 2008, 05:59:39 PM
sir, balak ko pong kumuha ng delta1010. I'm wondering whether it'll be wise to get a break-out box from m-audio or a mixer with direct outs would do?
mixer with direct outs would do... ako nga mixerless eh... after 8 months of using delta1010lt, wala parin ako balak kumuha ng mixer... una walang budget, pangalawa, hindi ko pa nararamdaman na kailangan ko na... siguro kapag puro condenser na ang mics ko (para sa acoustic drumkit), oras na bumili ng mixer.
i suggest, kunin mo muna yung delta1010, bago ka magdecide kung ano bibilhin. maganda mapagaralan mo muna. dati, muntik na ako bumili ng mixer,,, buti nalang madami ako nadiscover about sa m-audio.
Post by: notEworthy27 on August 08, 2008, 06:15:03 PM
Post by: LouieAzcona on August 08, 2008, 06:43:02 PM
so does this mean that the preamps of a mixer will be much better than the preamps of the m-audio break out box?
hmmm. honestly, i dont know., i have not used those tools yet, . ill just pm you about what i know. haha.
Post by: stilljey on August 08, 2008, 07:24:53 PM
Post by: LouieAzcona on August 09, 2008, 11:10:54 AM
standalone preamps is much better than preamp of a mixer or interface with built in preamp
what kind of "better" is that? kasi balak ko din bumili ng stand alone preamps eh
Post by: stilljey on August 10, 2008, 11:50:59 PM
what kind of "better" is that?price range of $300-$500 preamp, dual or multi-channel depende sa needs mo. And if budget allow you can go for UA to Avalon, Presonus, Vintech, Grace...etc.
Post by: titser_marco on August 13, 2008, 12:50:11 AM
Win XP RAM question:
1. I've been reading that there's not much point in investing in more than 2GB RAM in an XP system, but some sites I've seen say that the /3GB and/or /PAE switch can allow Windows to access the entire 4GB. What's the score [for audio, at least], really?
Page file question:
2. Should I put the page file on a separate drive, or put it in the fastest parts of a drive? I read some of your replies and you mentioned that it can be done using the right software. I'd appreciate guidance on this.
Cheers, chief!
BTW: MIDI's working real sweet now :)
Post by: KitC on August 13, 2008, 08:51:04 AM
Win XP RAM question:
1. I've been reading that there's not much point in investing in more than 2GB RAM in an XP system, but some sites I've seen say that the /3GB and/or /PAE switch can allow Windows to access the entire 4GB. What's the score [for audio, at least], really?
Gerard seems to be the master at this lately but here's the skiiny... Since XP is only 32-bit, it can only address a maximum of 4 Gb ram. From the MS Support site, they mention this:
Quote
Operating systems based on Microsoft® Windows NT® technologies have always provided applications with a flat 32-bit virtual address space that describes 4 gigabytes (GB) of virtual memory. The address space is usually split so that 2 GB of address space is directly accessible to the application and the other 2 GB is only accessible to the Windows executive software.
The /3Gb switch tells XP to let applications use more than 2 Gb, approx 3.2 Gb, leaving the rest for Windows.
For audio, having a lot of ram isn't that important for tracking. It only means you can have a lot of applications open simultaneously without windows having to access the swap file every now and then. This also means faster program access and switching since ram is faster than reading from disk. Ram does become important when you use a lot of virtual instruments - samplers are especially sensitive to ram and with libraries being several gigabytes in size, having sizable ram is a must (disk streaming is sometimes not fast enough if you need lots of polyphony).
If track count is a concern, however, faster hard disk access is more important, that's why it's often recommended that you defrag before every session.
Page file question:
2. Should I put the page file on a separate drive, or put it in the fastest parts of a drive? I read some of your replies and you mentioned that it can be done using the right software. I'd appreciate guidance on this.
Some people partition a small space on the system drive just to serve the swap file - something like 4 gigs will do since the swap file is often 1.5 times the size of your installed ram. At and above 2 gigs ram, however, the swap file becomes moot since your available ram is more than capable of handling most applictions (except for samplers as explained above). There are special partitioning software that can assign a specific space on the drive for the partition location; can't recall if it was Partition Magic or Paragon's partitioning soft.
Going back to our physics, the tangential speed of a disk is fastest at the outside edge of the platter. This means that data access should be fastest at the outer edge. By location a partition there and assigning it to the swap file, you can theoretically speed up hard disk access - this is only pertinent with the data in the swap file, though. Special defragmenting software (like Ultimate Defrag) locate your directories and the MFT (master file table) in the outer edge of the platter making data access faster. Bear in mind. also, that the rotation speeds also have a bearing on HD data throughput; a 7200 rpm disk will spew out data faster than a 5400 or 4200 rpm drive - that's why 10,000 rpm Raptors are so expensive.
Post by: titser_marco on August 13, 2008, 12:09:17 PM
Gerard seems to be the master at this lately but here's the skiiny... Since XP is only 32-bit, it can only address a maximum of 4 Gb ram. From the MS Support site, they mention this:
The /3Gb switch tells XP to let applications use more than 2 Gb, approx 3.2 Gb, leaving the rest for Windows.
For audio, having a lot of ram isn't that important for tracking. It only means you can have a lot of applications open simultaneously without windows having to access the swap file every now and then. This also means faster program access and switching since ram is faster than reading from disk. Ram does become important when you use a lot of virtual instruments - samplers are especially sensitive to ram and with libraries being several gigabytes in size, having sizable ram is a must (disk streaming is sometimes not fast enough if you need lots of polyphony).
I see. Currently, I have a lot of VSTis [DSK Brass, GTG Drummer, DSK Strings, Guitar Rig 3, et al.] loaded in a project. Will more RAM mean better performance given these project specs?
If track count is a concern, however, faster hard disk access is more important, that's why it's often recommended that you defrag before every session.
Some people partition a small space on the system drive just to serve the swap file - something like 4 gigs will do since the swap file is often 1.5 times the size of your installed ram. At and above 2 gigs ram, however, the swap file becomes moot since your available ram is more than capable of handling most applictions (except for samplers as explained above). There are special partitioning software that can assign a specific space on the drive for the partition location; can't recall if it was Partition Magic or Paragon's partitioning soft.
Going back to our physics, the tangential speed of a disk is fastest at the outside edge of the platter. This means that data access should be fastest at the outer edge. By location a partition there and assigning it to the swap file, you can theoretically speed up hard disk access - this is only pertinent with the data in the swap file, though. Special defragmenting software (like Ultimate Defrag) locate your directories and the MFT (master file table) in the outer edge of the platter making data access faster. Bear in mind. also, that the rotation speeds also have a bearing on HD data throughput; a 7200 rpm disk will spew out data faster than a 5400 or 4200 rpm drive - that's why 10,000 rpm Raptors are so expensive.
Hmm, got it. Will a 7200 RPM drive be sufficient for my needs? I don't see my projects going beyond the 24-track mark. :) Will a SATA drive be siginificantly faster than an IDE drive, btw?
Thanks KitC!
Post by: KitC on August 13, 2008, 06:12:49 PM
I see. Currently, I have a lot of VSTis [DSK Brass, GTG Drummer, DSK Strings, Guitar Rig 3, et al.] loaded in a project. Will more RAM mean better performance given these project specs?
Not really since most of the mentioned VSTIs aren't 'heavy hitters', ram-wise; you will find that having a fast processor is more important in this case. If you use a lot sample-based instruments (Kontakt, Halion, Gigasampler, EmulatorX...), this is where ram becomes very important.
Hmm, got it. Will a 7200 RPM drive be sufficient for my needs? I don't see my projects going beyond the 24-track mark. :) Will a SATA drive be siginificantly faster than an IDE drive, btw?
7200 rpm is quite sufficient, provided you are running at ATA-5 or even ATA-6 speeds. If your IDE HD controller is incapable of that (a rarity nowadays), you might have to upgrade your motherboard. SATA is quite faster than IDE. IDE has a theoretical maximum of 133 megabits per sec while SATA1 is at 150 mbps; SATA2 drives are rated at 300 mbps.
Post by: titser_marco on August 13, 2008, 07:55:58 PM
Thanks again!
Post by: KitC on August 14, 2008, 10:05:57 AM
Post by: titser_marco on August 14, 2008, 10:24:17 AM
Post by: siore on August 14, 2008, 10:32:30 AM
Post by: KitC on August 14, 2008, 10:34:32 AM
Post by: titser_marco on August 14, 2008, 11:14:00 AM
I just hope I can survive on a p4 system hehehe
Post by: KitC on August 14, 2008, 01:52:05 PM
Post by: titser_marco on August 16, 2008, 12:29:25 AM
KitC, mind sharing the programs [sequencers, samplers, audio editors, plugins] that you used when you had that set up? I'm thinking of using those in my p4 system until I have money for an upgrade. Thanks! :)
Post by: KitC on August 19, 2008, 09:46:07 AM
Whooopeee there's hope!
KitC, mind sharing the programs [sequencers, samplers, audio editors, plugins] that you used when you had that set up?
Sequencers - Sonar 4, Cubase SL2
Sampler - EmulatorX 1.5
Audio Editor - Wavelab Lite
Plugins - almost every free stuff you can find, but I've been using digitalfishphones a lot.
Post by: nolit on August 20, 2008, 12:39:25 AM
My question is this. Since mastering employs checking the playability of a music on several hardwares, it is imperative to use several speakers. How can I feed an output from my soundcard to feed at least 4 devices where I can monitor how the music will play on several devices such as powered speakers, stereo component, line in on portable cassette players, etc. It would be best if you will have fader controls on each. This device sounds like the opposite of a mixer... where you have one signal source and feed to multiple outs. Getting an 8 bus mixer is expensive and a waste of those inputs as I only need the 8 outputs.
I am posting this question for a friend. Since I am using EMU 1820m with 4 monitor outs - this issue do not apply on me. But I know a lot of people have other soundcards and this may be a problem.
Post by: KitC on August 20, 2008, 08:44:25 AM
Post by: bindoy on August 20, 2008, 08:52:38 AM
This is where the monitor matrix like the C-Control comes in. It can route any input to any output, sometimes all 3 at the same time. At work, we use a Presonus Central Station; Mackie has the Big Knob which does the same thing.
haay matagal ko nang asam.
Post by: melody_guitar on September 06, 2008, 04:21:51 PM
Post by: pings15 on September 08, 2008, 09:58:06 PM
lets say i have a mixer.. how can i connect it through my PC?.. and use it as my soundcard?
will the pc detect how many I/O does it have?..
thanks!
(i think my question is related sa topic sorry pag hindi or pag may nakapagtanong na i cant use the search eh, im having these error messages (my internet is the problem) )
Post by: jamming_papu on September 09, 2008, 12:18:52 AM
quick Q:
lets say i have a mixer.. how can i connect it through my PC?.. and use it as my soundcard?
will the pc detect how many I/O does it have?..
thanks!
(i think my question is related sa topic sorry pag hindi or pag may nakapagtanong na i cant use the search eh, im having these error messages (my internet is the problem) )
quick A.
i haven't see anyone did this. maybe you are referring to use the outs (like control, rca-line out, headphone out) of the mixer and directly plugging it to the 1/8" audio line in of your pc. i tried it myself in my own desktop and mixer. nothing happens.
im not sure why. (can anyone tell us why? :-D)
anyways, if you like to connect your mixer to your pc then you should have a proper interface that would mediate between your analog sound signal to the digital language of your pc. behringer uca usb, Maudio 2496 are some stuff that can do this job. 8-)
however, some mixers are pc ready to record all the channels in their inputs and track them as separate tracks in a recording software. try looking for Alesis multimix usb and firewire in the net for example.
Post by: KitC on September 09, 2008, 08:22:46 AM
quick A.
i haven't see anyone did this. maybe you are referring to use the outs (like control, rca-line out, headphone out) of the mixer and directly plugging it to the 1/8" audio line in of your pc. i tried it myself in my own desktop and mixer. nothing happens.
im not sure why. (can anyone tell us why? :-D)
First, check your routings. You should connect the mixer out to the line in, which is usually blue in color - line outs begin at lime green. Next, make sure you have line in activated in the sound control panel. Unless that input is selected for recording, your software won't 'hear' anything. Lastly, if you are connecting the pc outs to your mixer's stereo input, be it tape in or a spare stereo strip, you might encounter feedback looping. Go to Tweakheadz.com and study the guides. There are several diagrams there on how to 'wire' your studio.
Post by: Zazza on September 09, 2008, 05:19:53 PM
jose roberto,
Judging from your pc specs, you didn't mention a soundcard so I assume your pc has onboard sound. While you can record using onboard sound, remember that it is bound by the following limitations:
a. Not-so-great sound quality. Motherboards are built to a price specification and sound often takes a backseat so don't expect high quality converters here. There will he higher noise levels and the line in usually doubles as part of the 5.1 or 7.1 output so operation of the inputs is a compromise.
b. Limited sample rate capability. It's either 44.1 or 48 kHz... 96 kHz? Forget it! Plus, if the mobo has s/pdif, it's almost always an output operating at 48 kHz ONLY.
c. Analog I/O is in 1/8" stereo jacks. Not the most robust of connections plus these are prone to component failures when repeatedly inserting and removing the plugs; this is due to the way the sockets are soldered onto the board. You can get around this by making a sort of 'breakout' extension cable that puts the strain of repeated removal and insertions (necessary when you have a lot of gear but only one pair of inputs) on the breakout. Some use a small mixer to act as a breakout.
That said, get a good soundcard if you want to sound better. Better yet, get a soundcard designed for audio recording. Soundblasters are a good place to start but are not really meant for serious recording, but will do for demos. The M-Audio brand is very good for recording and has a range to suit most budgets.
I'm not sure if you can plug your G1 direct since I can't find any reference to it on the net. I'm sure it was meant for direct connection to an amp; if it has a designated line out, you can plug that into your mixer/soundcard. If in doubt, use it's headphone connection instead, but watch out for levels!
To do a blow-by-blow here might make this post inordinately too long, but the short of it is to connect your signals to your inputs and to watch out for levels! If it's too loud, reduce volume at the source, not at the soundcard input. Another thing to consider is how you are monitoring (or listening) to what is coming into your soundcard; whats the point of recording if you can't hear it? Again, if you are still relying on onboard sound, remember the old computer axiom, G-I-G-O.
Sign up for the PC Recording workshop we have planned for the 9th. You might learn a trick or 2.
Sir Kit,
I highlighted the one above as my main question po. I plan to run an Athlon 64 system with 2gb DDR2 and 320g HDD, plus a Creative Audigy soundcard. Panu po ung "breakout" galing sa soundcard? And if that would be a small mixer, can you recommend a brand which is affordable po? I also plan to get KRK Studio monitors po. Dun ko ba ico-connect un sa mixer/breakout? Do i need a small mixer to get tha ball rollin' for my studio monitor speakers? Coz i also plan to mic my amp/guitar so a microphone looms too.
I'll record mostly guitar stuff, have no plans on MIDI yet. And besides getting a guitar USB input interface, what mostly do i need? I intend to get the KRK speakers pero I'm kinda lost in the setup process :? Sorry i'm totally noob with recording setup process :-D
Thanks in advance sir!
Post by: KitC on September 09, 2008, 07:02:28 PM
I highlighted the one above as my main question po. I plan to run an Athlon 64 system with 2gb DDR2 and 320g HDD, plus a Creative Audigy soundcard. Panu po ung "breakout" galing sa soundcard? And if that would be a small mixer, can you recommend a brand which is affordable po? I also plan to get KRK Studio monitors po. Dun ko ba ico-connect un sa mixer/breakout? Do i need a small mixer to get tha ball rollin' for my studio monitor speakers? Coz i also plan to mic my amp/guitar so a microphone looms too.
Here's the thing... when starting out, you would want the simplest setup you can probably manage. I suggest sticking to a single audio interface, preferably a guitar usb interface. Come to terms with your equipment, then expand later as your skill grows. You may not even need the audigy if you choose the right usb interface. A good example is the Line6 Toneport UX1 which has both guitar and mic inputs. No need for a mixer; just add one as your needs grow. Start small, simple and inexpensive when learning.
Post by: Zazza on September 09, 2008, 08:18:00 PM
Here's the thing... when starting out, you would want the simplest setup you can probably manage. I suggest sticking to a single audio interface, preferably a guitar usb interface. Come to terms with your equipment, then expand later as your skill grows. You may not even need the audigy if you choose the right usb interface. A good example is the Line6 Toneport UX1 which has both guitar and mic inputs. No need for a mixer; just add one as your needs grow. Start small, simple and inexpensive when learning.
Thanks for the input Sir!
About the studio monitors, do i still need them (sorry silly question i guess) or the Altecs and Philips 5.1 that i have preowned will suffice?
Cheers!
Post by: xjepoyx on September 09, 2008, 09:21:07 PM
Thanks for the input Sir!
About the studio monitors, do i still need them (sorry silly question i guess) or the Altecs and Philips 5.1 that i have preowned will suffice?
Cheers!
If you're really plunging into this kind of hobby or profession... What you really need to invest first is your monitors....
I myself started with computer speakers... when i listened to my past recordings and mixes with my KRK's.... Haaaaaaaaayy grabe ang dami kong gs2ng baguhin!
Post by: Zazza on September 09, 2008, 09:52:27 PM
If you're really plunging into this kind of hobby or profession... What you really need to invest first is your monitors....
I myself started with computer speakers... when i listened to my past recordings and mixes with my KRK's.... Haaaaaaaaayy grabe ang dami kong gs2ng baguhin!
Thanks for that Jepoy :-D I think that nails it! Coz i felt that PC speakers ain't gonna cut it.
I'm gonna invest on the Line6 Toneport and a pair of KRKs or Samsons that'll fit my budget.
Cheers!
Post by: xjepoyx on September 09, 2008, 09:57:24 PM
Thanks for that Jepoy :-D I think that nails it! Coz i felt that PC speakers ain't gonna cut it.
I'm gonna invest on the Line6 Toneport and a pair of KRKs or Samsons that'll fit my budget.
Cheers!
AFAIK may clearance sale ang TMS on KRK Speakers also AP has a clearance sale. Try to contact forerunnertech re: KRKs and Tarkuz re: Samson Monitors
Post by: jamming_papu on September 10, 2008, 12:32:52 AM
First, check your routings. You should connect the mixer out to the line in, which is usually blue in color - line outs begin at lime green. ...
thanks for the answer sir kit. with some clicks in my pc's control panel, napagana ko yung from rca line outs of mixer to 1/8" line in of pc. however, level and sound read by the pc was quite bad. well, what would i expect of a stock soundcard which is built-in on the motherboard? :-D
as long as my M-audio 2496 works, im in and still good on my recordings. 8-)
Post by: KitC on September 10, 2008, 08:01:29 AM
what would i expect of a stock soundcard which is built-in on the motherboard? :-D
There are some onboard audio that sound good when properly routed. The old Nvidia mobos with soundstream were quite good for their time. My previous mobo, K7N2 Delta had optical outs that I routed into my 1820m - did that so I can play the occasional game using onboard sound so that the directx drivers didn't fudge up the Emu's settings and my DAW's asio configuration. At one time I even had digital coax out from my DSP Factory going into the EMu as well! It made for some interesting routings.
Post by: titser_marco on September 10, 2008, 09:31:54 PM
I finally got the Delta 44! Whooohoo!
Next question:
I currently run a 2.4 GHz P4 system with 1GB of RAM. Now, a friend is selling a mobo and processor package that contains an LGA 775 mobo and a Celeron D 3 GHz processor. My question is will that upgrade result in a significantly faster and more capable system? I know that this upgrade will eventually allow me upgrade higher end processors, but I'd like to know if I could work with more speed with this Celeron unit.
Also, would it be wise to get a dual core processor for this mobo eventually? Will a 2.0 GHz dual core processor be faster than a 3.0 GHz Celeron D? Thanks!
Post by: KitC on September 11, 2008, 08:21:02 AM
Check your mobo for dual core compatibility first. Newer cpus coming out are now based on the 45 nm process and some mobos/chipsets are incompatible with those.
Post by: KitC on September 11, 2008, 08:21:10 AM
Check your mobo for dual core compatibility first. Newer cpus coming out are now based on the 45 nm process and some mobos/chipsets are incompatible with those.
Post by: titser_marco on September 11, 2008, 09:10:19 AM
Post by: titser_marco on September 12, 2008, 10:11:49 PM
Hard Drive Allocation:
Okay, so I have the following drives:
1 x Seagate 120 GB SATA
1 x Maxtor 40GB SATA
1 x Seagate 120 GB IDE
1 x Seagate 40 GB IDE
So how should I partition these?
Where do I put the following:
OS and apps
VST plugins
Samples
Audio Project Data
Swap File
Other files [Mp3s, other docs]
Power Supply Question:
How many watts and amperes would I need to support this system:
1 x P4 2.4 GHz
4 x DDR400 RAM
1 x Seagate 120 GB SATA
1 x Maxtor 40GB SATA
1 x Seagate 120 GB IDE
1 x Seagate 40 GB IDE
1 x ATI Radeon Video Card
1 x IDE DVD ROM
1 x IDE DVD / CD Writer
2 x PCI Delta 44 Soundcard
1 x PCI SoundBlaster MIDI interface
1 x USB to MIDI Controller
1 x Processor Fan
3 x Casing Fans
Thanks!
Post by: KitC on September 13, 2008, 12:53:08 AM
As for your drives, I question why you should have two 40 Gb drives. OTOH, you could have a dual boot system with one dedicated purely for audio and the other for everyday use. You could also house one of them in an enclosure to serve as mobile storage.
Post by: titser_marco on September 13, 2008, 02:14:48 AM
Considering that many drives, I'd go 500 watts, but make sure to use PSU's capable of delivering 380 watts of 'real' power. Look for reviews on available power supplies and try to get the ones that could deliver.
As for your drives, I question why you should have two 40 Gb drives. OTOH, you could have a dual boot system with one dedicated purely for audio and the other for everyday use. You could also house one of them in an enclosure to serve as mobile storage.
re: 40 GB Drives - Got them because they were given to me. I agree with you on the eventually going the mobile storage direction, esp. when I get enough cash to invest in bigger storage. :)
Btw, Kit, how do I know if it can deliver REAL 380w of power? I currently have a 500w PSU on my system.
Post by: KitC on September 13, 2008, 10:40:53 AM
Btw, Kit, how do I know if it can deliver REAL 380w of power? I currently have a 500w PSU on my system.
My cousin operates a computer gaming shop (my brother spec'ed out all individual components) and we noticed that it was the generic power supplies that keep giving out, usually with blown caps. It may say 500w on the cover, but the quality of power was way, way below what it could deliver. Most of the branded psu's here like Coolermaster, HEC, Enermax and Silverstone usually deliver in terms of power, but I still go on the net to check reviews on them.
For ex., I presently use a Coolermaster Real Power Pro 550W to power my quad core rig - reviews have given it good ratings in terms of sustained power, especially in the 12V rails which is important for those drives and other peripheral. My other rig (Athlon64 3700+) is powered by a HEC 480W, another proven psu.
Post by: titser_marco on September 14, 2008, 12:51:42 AM
Post by: KitC on September 14, 2008, 10:17:54 AM
Thanks Kit! By the way, what allocation scheme do you suggest given the drives that I have? [Drives are listed in my original post] :)
Definitely use the 40 gigs as system drives. The other larger drives should be used for data and audio. If you have a lot of samples, you can dedicate one drive for that. One more thing, remember that dvd and cd drives are usually IDE; it's a good thing that a couple of the drives are sata - try to use the 40 gig ide seagate as the system drive since most P4 mobos prefer to boot from ide.
Post by: maniacally_cool on September 21, 2008, 10:27:56 PM
wanted to start recording with it so i went here to get some pointers.
sigh......23 pages of "backreading" hehehe. :-D
Post by: karlo on September 22, 2008, 06:13:03 PM
If you're really plunging into this kind of hobby or profession... What you really need to invest first is your monitors....
I myself started with computer speakers... when i listened to my past recordings and mixes with my KRK's.... Haaaaaaaaayy grabe ang dami kong gs2ng baguhin!
Any Four Tet fans out there? It's amazing how four tet does all of his great tracks at home on his crap Dell PC using cheapo hi-fi speakers as monitors... He said something about knowing every sonic quirk of his speakers so he didn't really need studio monitors. I don't have good monitors myself (can't afford them- it just seems more cost-effective to the cash-strapped musician to plunk down on other things) so this is really inspiring to me. A very punk-rock way of going about it if I may say so. He had an interesting soundonsound article that can be googled where he discusses his "studio"
Plus, i love how he uses really old cakewalk music studio software, audiomulch, and cool edit pro for everything. Shows how even the most guerilla music gear can be used to great effect.
Jonesing for those tannoys and that hafler on the classifieds tho... If you've been listening to music on a pair of speakers for ten years, would getting dedicated studio monitors make that big a difference to justify the outlay? I'm not looking to earn money from my tracks anytime soon.
Also, without getting into the benefits of a more systematized and disaster-proof computer setup, are the performance (i.e. speed and stability) gains of hard drive partitioning even noticeable?
Ya, and another Q I have is about the expected lifespan of an external hard drive. Do these really have an expiration date, and if so, what is the best backup/recovery scheme to protect our precious production data? Would prolonged non-use affect this in any way?
Post by: KitC on September 23, 2008, 08:23:04 AM
If you've been listening to music on a pair of speakers for ten years, would getting dedicated studio monitors make that big a difference to justify the outlay? I'm not looking to earn money from my tracks anytime soon.
I used to mix on some Altec Lansings way, way back. The mixes would usually translate as boomy on other systems no matter what I did. Apparently the Altecs had a substantial dip in the crossover frequency where the sub kicked in - this was the cause of my problems. Moving to a pair of inexpensive Fostex monitors solved my problems with bass.
Also, without getting into the benefits of a more systematized and disaster-proof computer setup, are the performance (i.e. speed and stability) gains of hard drive partitioning even noticeable?
Better to have a separate drive for audio. Imagine having the OS on one partition and audio on a separate partition on the same drive... can you imagine the work the drive heads have to do in order to keep up with multiple tracks of audio while still accessing system files and the swap file simultaneously?
Ya, and another Q I have is about the expected lifespan of an external hard drive. Do these really have an expiration date, and if so, what is the best backup/recovery scheme to protect our precious production data? Would prolonged non-use affect this in any way?
The only safe answer is redundancy... on separate drives and/or writable media. That is my worry now... imagine having to find backup solutions for 3 terabytes of data.
Post by: x_taxi on September 23, 2008, 07:42:52 PM
gettin a proper set of monitors saves you time though. it'll let you take on more work less the hassle of bad mixes.
:-) :-) :-)
Post by: Kclan on September 25, 2008, 05:40:26 PM
:mrgreen:
Post by: karlo on September 26, 2008, 02:08:47 PM
scoring used to be a hobby for me. i started monitorin on a sony boombox and a sb live. haha. my mixes lacked bass so i compensated for it. when my boombox died, i started to use an atp3 altec lansing. i just monitored on everythin else as well. like the car, ipod or home stereo.
:-) :-) :-)
A lot of people actually do recommend the car test as an essential part of monitoring. Monitoring on the iPod with its tinny earbuds? :-D
Post by: x_taxi on September 26, 2008, 04:33:44 PM
A lot of people actually do recommend the car test as an essential part of monitoring. Monitoring on the iPod with its tinny earbuds? :-D
yup! if it sounds good in 128bit mp3 format with the very bad stock ipod earbuds, then it must be good!
:-D :-D :-D
Post by: Zazza on October 03, 2008, 09:30:17 AM
Post by: gutz_3110 on October 03, 2008, 11:33:12 PM
im still reading the thread pa...and learning!
Post by: Gibson78 on October 15, 2008, 11:01:06 PM
I recently upgraded my PC, it's now running Vista, using my onboard soundcard (Realtek HD Audio), and I just installed the latest Asio (2.8) and Guitar Rig 3
Ok, when I choose Asio for the audio setup, nothing happens - no audio and input device box, when I choose Direct Sound, same problem - no audio but it has all the choices (latency, sample. I/O etc).
I can hear my guitar sound through the speakers - it just doesn't pass through Guitar Rig 3 at all. Looking at the interface, there isnt even the tiniest blip on the Inputs. I can't even play drum tracks when using ASIO, I can play the same tracks using Direct Sound, but no audio at all (I see the meter going).
Anyone else has this problem? I think it's a driver problem with Realtek HD Audio, I just don't have the time to re-install Windows XP and AC97 drivers to check if it really is. I really don't want to go out now and buy a separate soundcard, because I really can't be bothered right now.
Hope you guys can help.
Cheers and Beers!
Post by: KitC on October 16, 2008, 08:16:45 AM
Solutions? Either revert to XP or get a real soundcard with Vista drivers. FYI, I'm still using WinXP SP2.
Post by: Gibson78 on October 16, 2008, 02:13:32 PM
Thanks!
Post by: KitC on October 17, 2008, 08:01:07 AM
I knew it. I guess I'll just have to breakdown and get a new soundcard / audio interface. Any suggestions?
Try looking at the M-Audio USB or firewire offerings at JB. If your inclinations are toward guitar recording as well, I suggest the Line6 Toneport or UX series over at Yupangco. In a pinch, the Behringer UCA can work, but I'm not so sure over its low latency capabilities.
Post by: djently on October 24, 2008, 04:55:44 PM
sir kit, ano mas prefer nyo, mix with decent headphones o with cheap monitors in an untreated room?
Post by: KitC on October 24, 2008, 05:14:24 PM
sir kit, ano mas prefer nyo, mix with decent headphones o with cheap monitors in an untreated room?
I only use headphones when I want to zoom in on a particularly problematic frequency during editing. Even then, I prefer to use really accurate headphones (I miss my HD280s). I do use headphones a lot when I'm in the tracking stage, though. Mostly because I drive my family crazy when I start looping a section ad infinitum when I'm overdubbing notes or trying a chord change.
When mixing, I prefer to use monitors I'm familiar with. If I'm not used to a particular monitor, I usually listen with a reference cd first so I can adjust the monitor to the way I work. I also often check my mixes on other sound systems for reference; I don't rely exclusively on one monitoring system when referencing a mix. To take the room out of the equation, you will have to monitor quite loudly, but having a lot of diffusers at the back of the monitoring position helps.
Post by: djently on October 24, 2008, 10:11:37 PM
2.1 speakers lang kasi gamit ko e gusto kong mag upgrade. i'm not sure if a set of samson mediaone would be any better than a really good pair of headphones (akg k240, kung may mahanap pa) or even the speakers i currently own. are monitors with 3 or 4" woofers worth the money?
Post by: KitC on October 26, 2008, 10:57:41 AM
For headphones, know their characteristics. I own AKG K240s and while they are great, I also know that their bass can be a bit lacking because of their open back design. And besides, bass, because of their long wavelengths, is best reproduced by big speakers.
Post by: djently on October 26, 2008, 09:15:16 PM
Post by: in_the_tent on November 17, 2008, 11:56:11 PM
I'm setting up something like this..
Peavey PV6 mixer
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headphone amp (probably a Behringer Microamp HA400-pls give me a review of this amp. ok ba ito? Plano ko bumili.)
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Behringer HPS3000 headphone (pareview din sana mga sir. planning to buy another one for jamming purposes and/or recording demo siguro)
My question is..
paano ko maikakabit properly ang mixer out (stereo PL outputs)
sa..
input ng headphone amp (1 PL input)
ng stereo pa rin ang magiging setup?
-RCA with (RCA-PL adapters) ba ang ikakabit ko sa output ng mixer? Tapos ung kabilang dulo eh TRS papunta sa headphone amp? Stereo ba labas nun sa headphone? Yun ba ang tamang paraan? Saan nakakabili nun?
Salamt sa tulong.:)
Post by: KitC on November 19, 2008, 04:37:47 PM
Post by: in_the_tent on November 21, 2008, 12:49:49 AM
Post by: karlo on November 25, 2008, 07:58:09 AM
http://www.tarekith.com/assets/XPTweaks.htm (http://www.tarekith.com/assets/XPTweaks.htm)
The guy also has some easy and helpful material on levelling, mixdowns, and mastering, as well as some product reviews, FAQs, and effects/instrument patches for the Virus TI, Elektron Drum Machine, and Ableton Live here:
http://www.tarekith.com/misc.htm (http://www.tarekith.com/misc.htm)
Post by: Mike Mendoza on February 10, 2009, 03:18:34 PM
I'm still reading this thread, medyo mahaba na rin kse...
pero inquire ko na lang ulit ito..
I want to try to record a demo (or even a good quality output file - better!) of our songs from a MIXER to my LAPTOP... but I really lack the knowledge of what SOFWARE and hardware connections (SOUND CARD / INTERFACE) to use. My knowlegde is still limited kse to Rehearsal and Outdoor set-ups.
Eto po ung magagamit ko if ever;
(1) Mackie Mixer - Mackie 1402 (14 Channels)
(2) Toshiba Laptop: (No Line-in ung laptop eh )
OS: Windows Vista
Intel Core(TM) 2 Duo - P7350@2.00 GHz
Memory 4.00 GB RAM
Sytem type 32 bit- operating system
Sound, Video and Gaming controller:
Cohexant High Definition Smart Audio 221
(3) Altec Lansing para sa monitor? (pwede ba ito)
or ung JBL EON ko na ikakabit sa Mackie Mixer for Monitor din??? :?
Need help on the following:
(1) CONNECTION from the mixer to the laptop?
I guess this was answered by this link: (thanks to sir KiT :-D)
http://www.tweakheadz.com/how_to_hookup_a_mixer.htm
(2) Any suggested SOUND CARD based sa specs of my laptop? cguro mas ok ung external sa laptop db?? i have no idea of what to use kase. please help. :?
(3) Any one who can suggest what SOFTWARE is preferred as well? I guess the SOFTWARE and SOUND CARD should be compatible ryt?? San pwede maka-avail? I prefer the LICENSED SOFTWARE cguro to promote anti-piracy dito sa thread.. :-D
Budget-wise: SAKTO lng (crisis kse nagun eh..)
Need your help please... Thanks
Post by: kenki on February 13, 2009, 09:02:45 PM
Post by: KitC on February 16, 2009, 11:14:24 AM
sir ask lng bakit di tumutunog ung gitara pag sinaksak ko sya sa color blue?diba dapat dun pag mga instruments tapos pink para sa mic diba? ayaw tumunug kasi...tnx
Blue is usually line in. You need some sort of preamp with line level outputs for your guitar.
Post by: LowEnderOlex on February 24, 2009, 07:26:23 AM
I'm planning to get an Mbox2 Mini bundle but i dont have a good rig to pair it with yet. Do you think it will run ok on my HP Pavilion DV6626US laptop?
1.5 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T5250 processor
160 GB hard drive
1.5 GB RAM
Intel GMA X3100 graphics (up to 251 MB of available memory)
This will be my first set up and i really want to start using pro tools.
Post by: KitC on February 25, 2009, 12:10:53 PM
I'm planning to get an Mbox2 Mini bundle but i dont have a good rig to pair it with yet. Do you think it will run ok on my HP Pavilion DV6626US laptop?
Well, HP is usually the recommended pc for windows versions of PT, however, since I don't know that particular laptop's usb chipset, YMMV. HP are usually not forthcoming with technical details on their equipment unless someone posts a teardown on the net.
In any event, the specs look good.
Post by: KitC on February 25, 2009, 02:46:04 PM
(2) Any suggested SOUND CARD based sa specs of my laptop? cguro mas ok ung external sa laptop db?? i have no idea of what to use kase. please help. :?
Try M-audio firewire interfaces if your laptop has a firewire port. Getting PC card/expresscard audio interfaces are rather difficult locally.
[quote author=Mike Mendoza link=topic=44198.msg1722963#msg1722963 date=1234250314
(3) Any one who can suggest what SOFTWARE is preferred as well? I guess the SOFTWARE and SOUND CARD should be compatible ryt?? San pwede maka-avail? I prefer the LICENSED SOFTWARE cguro to promote anti-piracy dito sa thread.. :-D[/quote]
You can get Pro Tools M-powered which is compatible with M-audio interfaces. Sessions created in PTMP are compatible with HD versions of Pro Tools.
Post by: akoyatasiemil on March 02, 2009, 11:50:25 AM
OS: Windows Vista Home Premium
processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU T2390 @ 1.86GHz 1.87GHz
Memory (RAM): 1789 MB
System Type: 32-bit operating system
160gb Hard drive
tsaka bumili po ako ng CREATIVE USB SoundBlaster X-fi Surround 5.1
and balak ko po bumili ng cubase software
bago lang po ako kaya di ko po alam kung pano at saan maguumpisa hehe.
tanong ko lang po kung pwede na po ba ung specs na yan para makapagstart magrecord kahit cheap quality lang muna :)
kung hindi po ano po kaya ung dapat ko idagdag?
thank you po sa effort ng pagbasa hehe gusto ko po talaga matuto :-)
Post by: KitC on March 02, 2009, 01:52:07 PM
Post by: akoyatasiemil on March 02, 2009, 06:14:21 PM
Post by: KitC on March 03, 2009, 08:25:18 AM
aah ok po, so pag wala pa po ung mixer di pa po ako makakapaglay in ng gitara?
You can always play the guitar regardless. :-D
Instead of the Xfi, I suggest looking into the Line6 usb interfaces (UX1/UX2, Toneport GX, etc.) especially if you want to record your guitar straight to pc. IMO, this is a much better option than getting a consumer oriented soundcard like the 'blaster.
Post by: heyman on March 07, 2009, 11:57:14 AM
Post by: britesynth on March 15, 2009, 10:42:45 PM
ano benefits pag mas mataas RAM ng pc o laptop? say... from 2gb mag upgrade sa 4gb? maiwasan na kaya pop at clicks sa recording kapag naka 128 latency?
ot: last... alin dapat piliin ko/gamitin when recording 16 bit or 24 bit (fast track pro)
thanks! :-D
Post by: KitC on March 16, 2009, 11:17:11 AM
@britesynth - You will be able to run more programs simultaneously with more ram. You should also be able to load more samples if you use large sample libraries, but latency is a function of your soundcard and it's drivers. More ram has no effect on latency. Better to use 24-bit if your soundcard supports it.
Post by: Triggerfinger on March 25, 2009, 11:35:08 PM
sir ask lng bakit di tumutunog ung gitara pag sinaksak ko sya sa color blue?diba dapat dun pag mga instruments tapos pink para sa mic diba? ayaw tumunug kasi...tnx
Line in ang ginagamit ko. Ganito gawin mo:
1. Go to the lower right portion of your screen where the clock is and double click mo yung speaker icon.
2. click options then go to properties and select recording
3. Under that mals sure that line in is checked and then click ok
4. Now check the select box under line in then you can just close the window and Voila!!! you're good to go.
Post by: r0cb0y on March 31, 2009, 04:34:02 AM
im planing to buy a couple of equipments.. im planning to get tha new m-audio axiom pro.. and an mbox..im also planning to get the maschine by native instruments.. i want to start creating beats muna.. noob lang ako..just started creating beats this year lang.. now my questions are..
1. if im just gonna create beats for now.. will a sequencer like maschine and fl do? or will it be better to get an mbox and record my sequences in protools?..
2. anong mbox ang mas bagay sakin?.. im not gonna use any external sounds muna.. im planning to start with softwares first.. mbox pro sana ang gusto ko.. but will it be too much for what i wanna do?.
3. im planning to get a new pc.. will these specs be enough for music production?..
core i7 920
3 gigs of ddr3
i tb 7200 rpm hard drive
4. ano pang pwede nyong i-suggest sakin para hindi masayang ang pera ko sa pagbili ng equipments..?
thanks.. i hope y'all could help me out..
Post by: monsterbot on April 16, 2009, 06:24:38 PM
if youre on a really tight budget, theres a usb audio interface yung "behringer uca202" which is cheap and would suffice for your needs. i think they go for around 2.5k+, it should work on any DAW or Sequencer. :-D
bro san kaya ako makakabili ng behringer uca202?
Post by: wilfredo.eclipse on April 29, 2009, 01:55:57 PM
Post by: djently on April 29, 2009, 06:26:06 PM
Good Day. Ask ko lang sana ano kaya ang magandang software for recording? Adobe Audition kasi gamit ko medyo limited. Thanks :-D
http://audacity.sf.net (http://audacity.sf.net)
http://reaper.fm (http://reaper.fm)
Post by: reycantong on May 01, 2009, 06:46:33 PM
Good Day. Ask ko lang sana ano kaya ang magandang software for recording? Adobe Audition kasi gamit ko medyo limited. Thanks :-D
You can try these:
Pro Tools
http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?navid=507&langid=1&itemid=35911
Sonar
http://www.cakewalk.com/products/SONAR/
Cubase
http://www.steinberg.net/en/products/musicproduction/cubase4_product.html
Acid
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/acidpro
Post by: alien_inside on May 04, 2009, 01:04:59 AM
Good Day. Ask ko lang sana ano kaya ang magandang software for recording? Adobe Audition kasi gamit ko medyo limited. Thanks :-D
How come it is LIMITED?
Post by: KitC on May 04, 2009, 10:16:39 AM
How come it is LIMITED?
Maybe because it doesn't do midi that well? I find it very good (and fast) for audio post, though.
Post by: wilfredo.eclipse on May 08, 2009, 09:14:07 AM
You can try these:
Pro Tools
http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?navid=507&langid=1&itemid=35911
Sonar
http://www.cakewalk.com/products/SONAR/
Cubase
http://www.steinberg.net/en/products/musicproduction/cubase4_product.html
Acid
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/acidpro
Ayos maraming pwedeng itry. hehe. salamat sir. :-D
Post by: wilfredo.eclipse on May 08, 2009, 09:23:35 AM
How come it is LIMITED?
Hirap po ma explain ehh. hehe :lol:
Post by: krkNdrx on May 09, 2009, 03:49:34 AM
Post by: KitC on May 10, 2009, 10:23:14 AM
I think the more important item to consider is your audio interface. If you will be recording an entire band, you will need at least an 8-input interface. What's the use of getting a powerful computer if all you will feed it is 2 channels? Of course, you have to make sure that the audio interface is compatible with your computer.
Go into the details of your motherboard chipset and look for incompatibilities with your intended soundcard. Look in the various hardware forums if they have any problems with particular chipsets, or even firewire/usb incompatibilities.
One other thing, choose your OS wisely. XP is a very mature platform, although MS will stop support for it very soon. A colleague of mine is trying out Vista-64 but he seems to be having his share of headaches... which is usually the case when migrating to a new platform.
Post by: krkNdrx on May 10, 2009, 02:46:53 PM
so i guess the the duo will be just enough for what i have, i just have to get the right mobo that is compatible with my software and i will be using the XP pro 32 bit flatform matured na kasi :-D the less hassle the better for me..can i PM you the system requirements of my cubease?, i need some suggestion.. some computer techs seems clueless when setting up for DAW they are so in to gaming rigs..i was thinking of getting also a P35 based mobo like you hehe..mas mura na ngayon compared from the price 2years ago..thanks in advance KitC.. :-D
Post by: KitC on May 10, 2009, 03:14:26 PM
Which Yamaha mixer are you using? If it has usb connection, then that is already your audio interface although I believe you are limited to stereo recording. This can be ok for demo recordings but you are limited to recording an entire band in one-shot passes; overdubbing will be a bear with those kinds of mixers (i.e, USB 1.1). Still, if your band is really good, the room you are recording in acceptably quiet and acoustically good, and you have the mix dialed in perfectly, it can be achieved.
Post by: krkNdrx on May 10, 2009, 03:37:59 PM
and..additional question po, can i still use my old but not abused 40gig hard disk IDE 5200rpm yata speed nya, for the system only..then sa program and project I' ll buy the SATA hard disk 7200rpm, i don't have any idea what is the minimum HD size for program? are the 160-250 gig for program and storage ok? thanks KitC!
Post by: juanberto on May 10, 2009, 03:42:35 PM
Post by: juanberto on May 10, 2009, 03:44:18 PM
Post by: alien_inside on May 10, 2009, 08:43:12 PM
Maybe because it doesn't do midi that well? I find it very good (and fast) for audio post, though.Ahh. I do MIDI independently kasi e. Maybe that's his case...
Post by: alien_inside on May 10, 2009, 08:51:25 PM
UCA200 question. bakit ang ouput ng sound ko e distorted pag nilakasan ko? driver error kaya ?Haven't used something like that ever... but, logically, check your levels...
Post by: glbert on May 12, 2009, 02:21:32 PM
From my other post ito yung tanong ko po:
Gagamit po ako ng Laptop. MSI 340x with Core 2 duo, 2G RAM, with usb and firewire ports.
Gusto ko sana ng multi-track recording, like simultaneously recording 7 tracks, lalo sa drum tracks. Kung gagamit ako ng 7 mics for the drumkit, pano ko sya palalabasin ng 7 individual tracks sa pc for fine tuning and mixing?
After reading tama na kaya conclusion ko?
My setup would be:
Adobe Audition on Laptop=>M-Audio FAstrack Ultra(USB)=>Drum Mic Kit
or Alesis Multimix12 FireWire to replace M-Audio Fastrack Ultra
Alin ang mas ok? May kulang pa ba mga sir or good to go na ito? Or mas may ma-recommend pa kayo for a better setup?
Salamat
Post by: KitC on May 12, 2009, 04:18:28 PM
Adobe Audition on Laptop=>M-Audio FAstrack Ultra(USB)=>Drum Mic Kit
The Ultra only has 4 mic pres while the Ultra 8R has 8 mic pres. With the former, you will need an additional 3 mic preamps in order to accommodate 7 mics.
or Alesis Multimix12 FireWire to replace M-Audio Fastrack Ultra
I think the multimix only has 4 mic pres - you will have to add mic pres to complete your mic setup. This makes the Ultra 8R one of the better choices for your needs. Alternatives include Presonus Firepod/FP10, Focusrite Saffire Pro...
An alternative is to get an interface with 8 line inputs then add a mixer that has at least 8 mic preamps each with direct outs; e.g., some mixers like the Mackie 1642 VLZ3 has 8 direct outs for the first 8 preamp channels.
Post by: glbert on May 12, 2009, 06:07:24 PM
I think the multimix only has 4 mic pres - you will have to add mic pres to complete your mic setup. This makes the Ultra 8R one of the better choices for your needs. Alternatives include Presonus Firepod/FP10, Focusrite Saffire Pro...
An alternative is to get an interface with 8 line inputs then add a mixer that has at least 8 mic preamps each with direct outs; e.g., some mixers like the Mackie 1642 VLZ3 has 8 direct outs for the first 8 preamp channels.
thanks for the reply sir, btw who are the local distributors of Presonus, Focusrite and Mackie interfaces/mixers here? Para maka-canvass ako ng prices. Medyo hindi ko po alam mga bilihan ng mga gamit e. JB, Audiophile and Behringer lang alam ko po. thanks. :-D
Post by: KitC on May 13, 2009, 10:29:12 AM
Forerunner Technologies/The Music Source carries Mackie products. Unfortunately, there are no authorized distros for Presonus and Focusrite locally.
Post by: krkNdrx on May 13, 2009, 07:52:52 PM
Post by: KitC on May 14, 2009, 08:48:43 AM
Post by: krkNdrx on May 15, 2009, 03:33:39 AM
Post by: pavloid on May 16, 2009, 03:25:06 PM
i've checked http://www.tweakheadz.com/how_to_hookup_a_mixer.htm for reference but it doesn't work for me because the mixer we have is behringer xenyx 2222 and it doesn't have alt 3/4 bus. i also tried connecting channel inserts from the mixer to audio interface line in but still no good. anyone familiar with this set-up?
here are picture of the mixer's rear: http://www.behringer.com/EN/images/lightboxphotos/2222FX_P0558_Rear_XXL.jpg
and top front: http://www.behringer.com/EN/images/lightboxphotos/2222FX_P0558_TopFront_XXL.jpg
btw, it's really great to have this thread here. i've been reading through it recently and i must say, it's really informative. kudos to the people who've been sharing ideas especially to mr. KitC who's been extremely helpful!!!
Post by: reycantong on May 16, 2009, 04:16:46 PM
poor us! :cry: wala presonus, i like to try it because tower of power uses presonus on their live gigs.. no other options here i dont know if may nakagamit na ng toneport UX8 from our fellow philmusicians, it runs at around 25k..
I'm currently using Line6 Toneport UX8 for my pc. Works great for me. The included POD Farm is very nice. Ok din preamps.
Post by: krkNdrx on May 16, 2009, 10:56:04 PM
I'm currently using Line6 Toneport UX8 for my pc. Works great for me. The included POD Farm is very nice. Ok din preamps.
thanks sir rey nabasa nyo rin pla dito, hehe..parang gusto ko na bilhin tuloy.. :-D i am choosing between ux8 ang maudio ultra 8r.. :-D
Post by: KitC on May 19, 2009, 12:26:36 PM
Post by: pavloid on May 20, 2009, 11:07:04 PM
@pavloid - use the sub outs to feed your interface. You can monitor the soundcard using the fx aux returns (they are in stereo anyway) or use the rca tape inputs.
super thanks for the reply sir! i'll try this set-up first thing in the morning tomorrow. im so excited.. :-D
Post by: pepeng_bato123 on June 02, 2009, 01:50:38 PM
Post by: KitC on June 03, 2009, 11:57:05 AM
guys i have a question, if i have ableton suite 8 do i need adobe audition? :?
Audition is useful if you need audio file editing features, which Ableton Live lacks.
Post by: glbert on June 17, 2009, 06:11:16 PM
pansin ko wala syang preamp, whats the best solution to go multi track?
thanks
Post by: KitC on June 18, 2009, 09:02:43 AM
sir, how about maudio 1010 rack, will this be good for simultaneous multitrack recording lets say 8 tracks (drums)?
pansin ko wala syang preamp, whats the best solution to go multi track?
thanks
If you need 8 preamps in a single audio interface, then something like the M-Audio Fast Track Ultra 8r or Presonus Firepod/FP10 would be more suited to your needs. Alternatively, you could try getting a firewire mixer with 8 preamps.
Do the math... the 1010 rack plus 8 outboard preamps will cost you what? Now compare that to the Ultra 8r which goes for 35k, for example.
Post by: carl20 on June 18, 2009, 10:35:13 AM
Post by: KitC on June 18, 2009, 03:04:27 PM
hi sir Kit C, just want to ask if you do have a Presonus firepod what would be your PC set up for this kind of audiointerface?
Preferably a pc that has a Texas Instruments firewire chipset. It doesn't matter if you are going Intel or AMD, or even Mac.
Post by: peeves24 on June 18, 2009, 05:07:24 PM
hi sir Kit C, just want to ask if you do have a Presonus firepod what would be your PC set up for this kind of audiointerface?
buy the most expensive pc you can buy. kabitan mo ng firewire card kung wala pa built in. medyo namimili yung presonus, highly recommended nila ang texas instruments at via. pero yung setup ko sa bahay, gumagana ng walang problema yung firestudio project ko sa built in NEC chipset.
use a separate video card, wag mo gagamitin yung built in. this helps lower cpu utilization at mas marami kang plugins na magagamit kesa kung gamit mo yung built in video.
kung VIA yung firewire card mo, minsan problematic yung driver nyan sa winxp at vista. wala ka madodownload nun kasi bundled na sa operating system yun pero may magandang 3rd party driver. ubcore yung name, mas maganda sya gamitin kasi kung gumana yung presonus mo dun, mas stable at mas bihira yung pag stutter during playback.
Post by: KitC on June 18, 2009, 05:21:38 PM
may magandang 3rd party driver. ubcore yung name, mas maganda sya gamitin kasi kung gumana yung presonus mo dun, mas stable at mas bihira yung pag stutter during playback.
Yeah, those unibrain drivers are interesting. They did cause a weird problem with Marvin's Belkin FW800 card though. Not yet 100% sure if it's the card that's defective but it keeps showing some weird behavior in Device Manager.
Post by: peeves24 on June 18, 2009, 05:33:23 PM
Post by: carl20 on June 22, 2009, 08:40:15 AM
Post by: reycantong on June 22, 2009, 08:56:33 AM
Post by: KitC on June 22, 2009, 12:18:42 PM
Medyo OT lang. Ngayon ko lang nalaman na ang Texas Instruments Plant e nasa Baguio City. Dun ginagawa mga chips na hinahanap ng mga firewire interfaces like Presonus, 003 etc.
OT too: I think we visited that plant way, WAY back when I was in college.
Post by: pavloid on June 23, 2009, 01:03:33 AM
Medyo OT lang. Ngayon ko lang nalaman na ang Texas Instruments Plant e nasa Baguio City. Dun ginagawa mga chips na hinahanap ng mga firewire interfaces like Presonus, 003 etc.
Gheez! nasa Baguio lang pala sila...
My partner and i had a hard time looking for Texas Insturments Firewire Card/Chipset. Eventually, we gave up. We ended up trying the onboard firewire card with VIA 6308 chipset (not sure with the number though :-D). But to our surprise, it works perfectly fine with Presonus Firestudio Tube! Saved us some bucks too!
OT three :-D : We had another issue with the Presonus FS Tube..The audio interface doesn't go stable. Initially we thought it's a chipset-related issue. Took us a day of researching until we learned that FS Tube has issues when used with 220v power source. So we ran into the nearest store and got a stepdown (110v) transformer - issue resolved! Has anyone encountered the same with other presonus interface? Hope this tiny bit of info helps...
Post by: Cressin on June 23, 2009, 01:41:12 PM
I'm making a personal home recording area (dont wanna call it a studio coz its just for personal use recording ideas and stuff) and i'm using vista 32 cpu amd 64x2 2.0ghz 3gbram (by the way this is a laptop). I have an audio kontrol 1 as an audio interface.
I'm having problems with recording though i get a couple of pops and cracks here and there. The instrument isnt plugged in the line-in slot of the interface i'm using a midi controller controlling an NI sample fender rhodes piano patch routed through a twin reverb amp simulator at ableton live lite 7. Everything was exported as a .wav file at 44000 khz at 32 bit I really cant afford to get the full version of live right now (though planning to when i get spare cash. I find the daw really convenient and easy to use).
Is there a way for me to remove those pops and cracks? Or is my set-up just a big bottleneck in terms of specs/equipment and i cant do anything with it?
Post by: KitC on June 26, 2009, 11:37:56 AM
Post by: Cressin on June 26, 2009, 12:22:09 PM
I'm not sure if i could tweak my computer any further since i'm using a laptop. I did cut down on all my start up programs and removed any unnecessary stuff (like games, startup programs screensavers and desktop pictures) in my laptop though to make it run faster.
Post by: KitC on June 26, 2009, 02:33:19 PM
Post by: Cressin on June 28, 2009, 12:54:50 AM
Post by: KitC on June 29, 2009, 10:15:07 AM
Have you tried turning off all power saving features? Sometimes having this activated affects the usb/fw ports and other peripheral's power management, which can interfere with audio operation.
Post by: Cressin on June 30, 2009, 12:04:15 AM
I already removed the power saving features and it is already plugged in. I noticed though the pops and cracks went down when i turned of yahoo messenger+increasing latency a bit when recording but when i'm exporting it as a .wav file there are still a couple left. Could i do anything else to clear it up further?
Post by: KitC on June 30, 2009, 07:46:44 AM
I noticed though the pops and cracks went down when i turned of yahoo messenger+increasing latency a bit when recording
Something tells me you got quite a bit of services going on in the background. YM and antivirus software, among other things, take up a lot of cpu headroom with their continuous monitoring. In most DAWs, we usually strip all the non-essential software and leave the least amount of services running to ensure that the DAW software is getting the lion's share of the cpu's resources. We even turn off screen saving and all power saving features (preventing the hard disk from spinning down), as well as disabling devices that aren't crucial to the DAW like printer ports, unused firewire ports, etc. It isn't uncommon to have less than 30 services running in a properly configured DAW.
During recording, we track with zero plugins as much as possible. That means no reverbs, compression or eq, relying on outboard gear to take up this requirement. This frees up the cpu to do the most important task, which is to record, and to allow us minimum latency times - noticeable latency is often detrimental to a good recording. Only during mixing, when all tracking is done, do we bump up latency to the highest levels and add as many plugins as our computer will handle.
Post by: RED_01 on July 24, 2009, 04:13:51 PM
im planning to buy a Toshiba satellite, with core2duo, but the sound card doesnt have rca or pl55, how can i change the sound card into an M-Audio 2496?
Post by: KitC on July 29, 2009, 09:43:50 AM
im planning to buy a Toshiba satellite, with core2duo, but the sound card doesnt have rca or pl55, how can i change the sound card into an M-Audio 2496?
You can't.
The Satellite is a laptop, probably with pcmcia or expresscard expansion options, while the 2496 is a pci card and neither the 'twain shall meet. Sorry.
Your only expansion option is either to get a usb soundcard (firewire if the Toshiba has that port) or find an expresscard soundcard.
Post by: wilfredo.eclipse on August 07, 2009, 02:55:40 PM
Post by: KitC on August 10, 2009, 08:09:38 AM
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Inquire at Behringer outlets (there's one at the 5th flr of Megamall... can't recall if it's Bldg. A but it's at the building with the theatres).
Post by: cky on August 17, 2009, 03:20:10 PM
Post by: ogagka0606 on September 02, 2009, 03:57:35 PM
laptop po pala gamit ko. acer aspire 4920.
ok po ba yung fast track ? at anong software po mga kailangan? salamat
Post by: juanjudas on September 02, 2009, 05:22:44 PM
for 15k and 25k budget.
Post by: s2ry0fdyr on September 03, 2009, 12:12:37 AM
If I were to buy/assemble a pc now, what are the specs should I get?
for 15k and 25k budget.
it depends on what you are trying to achieve in recording.
Post by: juanjudas on September 03, 2009, 09:26:42 AM
So after I buy a new pc, audio interface na ang sunod. Tama po ba?
Post by: KitC on September 03, 2009, 02:03:56 PM
sir Kit I have a question...do I really need a DI box to connect the guitar to the mixer then mixer out to computer or there must be some stuff in between those connections?
You need a DI that has instrument level inputs. Check with the various DIs, some are designed for line level instruments such as keyboards.
ok po ba yung fast track ? at anong software po mga kailangan? salamat
Fast track is a 2 channel usb audio interface from M-audio. If you want to record drums or a full band, you will need more than 2 channels, which equates to a more expensive interface. As for software, there are a lot of suitable multitracking software that you can use ranging from Sonar to Cubase to Propellerheads new Record. Check out the various manufacturer's sites, some offer fully functioning 30-day demos such as Cakewalk's Sonar and Presonus' new Studio One.
If I were to buy/assemble a pc now, what are the specs should I get?.
for 15k and 25k budget.
That can be a tough one especially if you want to achieve a powerful machine. You can try AMD machines which are usually less expensive, but always design your pc according to the soundcard you will use. For ex., if your soundcard is pci, you will want a mobo that has at least 3 pci slots so that you can choose the slot which does not share and irq with an onboard device. Often, 2 pci slot mobos will have you sharing an irq with the sata controller, or worse, video. If your interface is usb or firewire, search the interface manufacturer's forums for users who have problems with certain mobos.
Post by: ogagka0606 on September 03, 2009, 05:20:17 PM
Fast track is a 2 channel usb audio interface from M-audio. If you want to record drums or a full band, you will need more than 2 channels, which equates to a more expensive interface. As for software, there are a lot of suitable multitracking software that you can use ranging from Sonar to Cubase to Propellerheads new Record. Check out the various manufacturer's sites, some offer fully functioning 30-day demos such as Cakewalk's Sonar and Presonus' new Studio One.
sir yung may built in drums na ? anong software po ba yun ? plano ko kasi yung guitars at built in drums lang gamitin ko. thanks
Post by: KitC on September 03, 2009, 06:44:04 PM
sir yung may built in drums na ? anong software po ba yun ? plano ko kasi yung guitars at built in drums lang gamitin ko. thanks
karamihan ng software ngayon may kasamang drums. maganda sana kung mac based ka, garageband ang gamitin mo kasi halos kumpleto na yun sa requirements mo. ang Sonar at Cubase may kasamang drums, pati ang FL Studio rin.
Post by: ogagka0606 on September 03, 2009, 07:53:31 PM
karamihan ng software ngayon may kasamang drums. maganda sana kung mac based ka, garageband ang gamitin mo kasi halos kumpleto na yun sa requirements mo. ang Sonar at Cubase may kasamang drums, pati ang FL Studio rin.
edi sir pwde na yung fl studio, at yung fast track usb? thanks sir kitC!
Post by: KitC on September 04, 2009, 09:23:06 AM
edi sir pwde na yung fl studio, at yung fast track usb? thanks sir kitC!
The short answer is yes, pero see if there are any issues when using the fast track with your pc.
Post by: melody_guitar on September 09, 2009, 07:56:46 PM
Post by: KitC on September 10, 2009, 10:48:50 AM
can i use the "stock" soundcard of my pc?? yung mismong kasama na sa miotherboard?? the simple line in, ou and mic in soundcard??
No one is stopping you from doing that.
You can get some good sounds, but I/O will be limited usually to 1/8" and you could conceivably burn up a motherboard if some stray voltage from your gear inadvertently finds it's way into your pc - try using a small inexpensive mixer as a buffer. Be aware that your sound can be compromised by the quality of the mobo's converters, which are usually consumer grade at best. One big limitation with today's mobos? They usually only work at 48 khz so be aware of any sample rate conversions if burning to audio cd. The workaround is to burn to dvd audio, I guess.
Post by: ferdie on September 17, 2009, 05:15:16 PM
Need your advice. Meron akong yamaha stage pass 300 pa/mixer and m-audio fast track USB. Nag attempt ako magrecord ng acoustic guitar. eto yung set up: guitar---mixer----mixer RCA output---m-audio guitar input (using rca to stereo plug adaptor) pero di ko ma-record yung guitar ko. Pero kapag di ko nman pinadaan sa mixer using multi effects direct to m-audio guitar input ok nman. Ganun din nangyayari pag gusto ko magrecord ng vocals.
Thanks in advance sir!
Post by: KitC on September 17, 2009, 05:54:55 PM
Need your advice. Meron akong yamaha stage pass 300 pa/mixer and m-audio fast track USB. Nag attempt ako magrecord ng acoustic guitar. eto yung set up: guitar---mixer----mixer RCA output---m-audio guitar input (using rca to stereo plug adaptor) pero di ko ma-record yung guitar ko. Pero kapag di ko nman pinadaan sa mixer using multi effects direct to m-audio guitar input ok nman. Ganun din nangyayari pag gusto ko magrecord ng vocals.
First of all, the fast track has a single 1/4" input which is switchable from guitar to line. You have to use a MONO guitar cable with this input. The other input accepts XLR (cannon) cables for direct connection of microphones.
One thing you can do is to put the fast track first in the chain: mic to ch. 1 and guitar to ch.2 (set to guitar, not line). Next, connect the outputs of the fast track to channel 5/6 or 7/8 on the stagepass. The only caveat is that you cannot record the stagepass reverb/EQ - you will have to do that in your pc. Except for live recordings, we don't usually record with fx anyway, except in a few instances such as distortion and some other cases.
Post by: ferdie on September 17, 2009, 06:09:54 PM
First of all, the fast track has a single 1/4" input which is switchable from guitar to line. You have to use a MONO guitar cable with this input. The other input accepts XLR (cannon) cables for direct connection of microphones.
One thing you can do is to put the fast track first in the chain: mic to ch. 1 and guitar to ch.2 (set to guitar, not line). Next, connect the outputs of the fast track to channel 5/6 or 7/8 on the stagepass. The only caveat is that you cannot record the stagepass reverb/EQ - you will have to do that in your pc. Except for live recordings, we don't usually record with fx anyway, except in a few instances such as distortion and some other cases.
Sir thanks ng marami! will try that tonight.
Post by: ferdie on September 18, 2009, 01:59:23 PM
Sir thanks ng marami! will try that tonight.
Sir KitC!!
Na-try ko na yung advice mo and it works!!!!!!
Sobrang salamat po talaga.!
Post by: ferdie on September 19, 2009, 05:16:29 PM
How can I add effect on my guitar and vocal track on Live Lite 6. (i.e. I want to add reverb on the vocals and guitar).
Post by: --randz-- on September 23, 2009, 09:17:34 AM
here is my existing connection:
xenyx 802 cd/out to uca200 input
xenyx 802 cd/in to uca200 output
uca200 usb to pc
headphone to xenyx802 phones
maraming salamat.. bago lang din po ako sa pc recording..
Post by: KitC on September 23, 2009, 12:04:23 PM
Sir Kit another newbie question:
How can I add effect on my guitar and vocal track on Live Lite 6. (i.e. I want to add reverb on the vocals and guitar).
When you highlight a track, there's a section of the bottom portion of the screen that says, "Drop effects here". Just drag any fx into that portion.
Post by: KitC on September 23, 2009, 12:10:45 PM
hi sir kitc.. bago lang po ako dito sa forum... i have a behringer xenyx 802 and uca200.. ok naman sya mag-record.. the problem is hindi ko marinig yung tinutogtog ko (i.e. keyboard) while recording...pero nare-record naman (im using audacity).. then sa playback mo na lang maririnig yung ni-record mo...may mali kaya sa connection ko..
It has something to do with how audacity 'monitors' an incoming signal. You might have to play around with the playthrough setting in audacity's preferences. Software playthrough appears to record a 'stereo mix' so this is best avoided since this mixes down whatever you are recording and playing back at the same time.
Post by: --randz-- on September 24, 2009, 08:55:08 AM
ask ko din po kung pwede sabay i-record ang vocals at guitar in different tracks sa uca200, pano po ang connection..?
salamat ulit.. :-)
Post by: KitC on September 24, 2009, 10:13:59 AM
thanks sir kitc,,, how about if i'm using mixcraft4 or sonar 7? ano pong settings ang kailangan?
software input monitoring in sonar is activated by 'pressing' the button immediately after the M S R buttons in the track. it kinda looks like this .>> once activated, it should turn light green in color.
ask ko din po kung pwede sabay i-record ang vocals at guitar in different tracks sa uca200, pano po ang connection..?
you have to understand that the UCA is stereo in/out so you are limited to only 2 mono channels/tracks at a time. to record guitar and vocals simultaneously, you have to hard pan them. For ex., vocals are hard left and guitar is hard right. set your software to record mono tracks and assign input to the left or right channel accordingly. Same thing with the mixer that is feeding the UCA. That way, you can 'multitrack' simultaneously.
Post by: --randz-- on September 24, 2009, 10:38:40 AM
Post by: Xelly on September 24, 2009, 05:28:34 PM
Tanong ko lang mga sir ano masasabi nyo sa website na ito: http://www.tarekith.com/assets/XPTweaks.htm (http://www.tarekith.com/assets/XPTweaks.htm)
Nipost yan ni sir Karlo before. Ok ba na itry yung mga recommendations dun? :-)
Mabuhay Philmu!!!
Post by: KitC on September 24, 2009, 10:08:29 PM
Napakainformative ng thread na ito!!! :-D
Tanong ko lang mga sir ano masasabi nyo sa website na ito: http://www.tarekith.com/assets/XPTweaks.htm (http://www.tarekith.com/assets/XPTweaks.htm)
Nipost yan ni sir Karlo before. Ok ba na itry yung mga recommendations dun? :-)
Mabuhay Philmu!!!
They're ok. I used to communicate with tarekith over at productionforums.com which I also mod over.
Post by: Xelly on September 24, 2009, 10:31:31 PM
Post by: britesynth on October 10, 2009, 12:17:04 AM
ano nag.cacause ng crackling noise/popping sound kapag nag.rerecord? madalas kasi nasasayang yung mga takes kasi may "crackle", ano pwede gawin para maiwasan?
thanks! :lol:
Post by: KitC on October 11, 2009, 11:21:59 AM
question:
ano nag.cacause ng crackling noise/popping sound kapag nag.rerecord? madalas kasi nasasayang yung mga takes kasi may "crackle", ano pwede gawin para maiwasan?
thanks! :lol:
Try easing up on your latency. Don't use plugins when recording and make sure your hard drive is sufficiently 'clean' (i.e., recently defragged, no other programs running in the background, etc.).
About latency, it helps if you have some form of hardware monitoring. the hard part is if you rely on softsynths during realtime recording. My advice is to use an external synth, record the midi, then just replace the patch with a softsynth later on.
Post by: --randz-- on October 16, 2009, 01:43:50 PM
i'm experiencing droupouts sa ni-record ko na kanta..
1. ano po maganda gawin para ma-avoid yung dropouts?
2. are too much effects to the tracks leads u to droupout?
im recording satb (choir) vocals using sonar.
thanks in advance
Post by: KitC on October 16, 2009, 02:01:58 PM
Here's a tactic I use with my Emu. The Emu cards are interesting with respect that both WDM and ASIO are simultaneously available. I can have Sonar open using ASIO while I have Wavelab open at the same time using WDM drivers - some other cards do not allow that. I can then record in Sonar while playing back a track in Wavelab without fear of dropouts. I sometimes use this setup the other way around (playback in Sonar, record in Wavelab) when I'm downsampling since I'm recording an analog signal bypassing any downsampling algorithms which sometime sound bad to me.
With other setups, you can presumably play back a stereo file using media player through the computer's onboard audio while recording through an audio interface that is using asio drivers. This assumes that you have the mixdown of the instrument tracks that the choir will sing to. Just add a sync click to the start of the mixdown file to help you in aligning the satb tracks in sonar later. I hope you catch my drift.
Post by: --randz-- on October 16, 2009, 02:35:07 PM
here's how i record..
- i insert first the audio (minus one) then, record soprano, then alto, tenor & bass.
- after i recorded all the vocals, during playback, wala syang dropout... nung nag-apply na ko ng effects (reverb and compression) sa satb,,, nung playback na, meron na pong dropout,,,
(may ibang songs na kami na narecord... pero hindi sya nag-dropout.)
then ang ginawa ko po... i import every voice category to wav file... then i inserted again to the multitrack of sonar... then on playback nawala yung dropout.
Post by: KitC on October 16, 2009, 02:52:37 PM
- after i recorded all the vocals, during playback, wala syang dropout... nung nag-apply na ko ng effects (reverb and compression) sa satb,,, nung playback na, meron na pong dropout,
Some effects are VERY processor intensive. Raise your latency settings to the highest possible during mixdown to ease up on the proccie.
Post by: --randz-- on October 16, 2009, 03:19:29 PM
:-)
Post by: --randz-- on October 17, 2009, 09:41:36 AM
ano po kaya problema? hanggang 16bit lang po ba ang behringer uca200?
ty :-D
Post by: KitC on October 17, 2009, 11:41:01 AM
sir.. hindi ako makapag-export ng mp3 sa sonar... wav lang...
You have to buy that feature. It's stated in the manual <sigh>
Look for freeware converters - there are a LOT of them out there. While my mp3 export feature in Sonar is activated, I don't use it. I prefer to use the LAME encoder with the Razorlame GUI.
Post by: --randz-- on October 20, 2009, 01:49:52 PM
Post by: alvincflorentino on October 22, 2009, 10:42:01 AM
I'd like to know how the Intel atom 270(?) or 280(?) fares as a processor for recording or does it really matter? I use Sonar 7PE and I'm wondering if this processor has any issues with regards my DAW? Actually, I'm thinking of buying a laptop and the small form ones seem to tickle my fancy. The thing is, it's Intel atom nga. The included RAMs are usually 1-2GB which I know is sufficient (but the more the better, yeah, yeah) and the hard drives are 160GB. Unfortunately, a lot of these small form laptops have HD speeds of only 4k plus. Swerte na if you find the 5k plus. You think we can we upgrade these to the 7k plus ones? Thanks to anyone who might wanna try to respond...
Post by: KitC on October 22, 2009, 11:42:02 AM
Post by: alvincflorentino on October 22, 2009, 09:23:44 PM
Thank you much for the advise, bro.
Post by: alvincflorentino on October 22, 2009, 09:38:08 PM
I'm thinking of buying a USB audio/MIDI interface (M-audio Fast Track Pro) for use with Sonar but do I really need it? I already have an existing MIDI to USB cable attached from my keyboard onto one USB port of the laptop. I've tried to record MIDI into Sonar and it works, albeit with a noticeable lag. I don't really mind the lag because I believe there's a workaround for the latency. But I also want an audio to USB connection so I can record live audio (duh?!) from my mixer. I know I can also use the existing line-in of my laptop, but can I also use an RCA (or TRS) to USB cable, which is soooo much cheaper than an interface? Is that workable? Will there be issues with using one USB port for MIDI and another for audio instead of just using one interface going into one USB port? I think I've just mixed myself up...haha!
Thanks again...
Post by: KitC on October 23, 2009, 07:52:55 AM
No issues with what you are thinking, but look at it also from this perspective. The Fast Track combines midi and audio into one interface. You only use up one usb port for 2 possible devices, which can be important if you are using a port challenged laptop. Add to the fact that it probably has better audio specs compared to your planned 'RCA-to-usb' interface (CDRKing? - be forewarned), plus the interface already has XLR ports so future expansion is already built-in.
Still, I'm not stopping you if you want to proceed with your plans. Just think about it a little more.
Post by: alvincflorentino on October 23, 2009, 09:45:08 PM
Post by: alvincflorentino on October 24, 2009, 09:03:57 AM
As most of us know, laptops nowadays have HDs in a variety of sizes. However, speed has not really been a priority in I'd say 90%, with most running at 5k plus, tops. If I had one that ran at 5k or even the older 4k ones, would upgrading the HD to one that ran at a more recording-friendly 7,200 rpm really make it run at 7,200 rpm? Or would the existing hardware/software configuration be hardwired to top at it's stock 5k or 4k and make the upgrade moot? If it's possible to upgrade, what are the steps to take ensure this? Thanks again...
Post by: peeves24 on October 30, 2009, 10:15:37 AM
sa luma ko ng setup P4 (2.66) kasi, mas mabilis naka AGP video card at mas mababa yung cpu util kesa kung gagamitin ko yung built in video ng motherboard
Post by: KitC on October 30, 2009, 11:49:10 AM
My first DAW had onboard video. Among my pet peeves (no pun intended) with onboard video was insufficient resolution and shared memory (which, at the time, impinged on my 512 megs of ram :-o ).
Newer mobos now usually sport very capable video, but still at the cost of shared memory. Nevertheless, I still would use a separate video card since I like to sneak in a game or 2 in my DAW, although I wouldn't call Star Trek Legacy a video intensive game. (Waiting for Diablo 3 can be irritating.)
Post by: kaishin_zurcs on November 02, 2009, 06:47:40 PM
first i want to thank you for all the things that you mentioned in this thread. Its very very helpful esp for newbies like myself in terms of audio recording. I get some things that was mentioned here but some things are way OFF my knowledge so I guess I need to read and learn more about this stuff. :D
Just want you. on a personal perspective what do you think of the Behringer Podcast studio?
Thanks in advance sir :)
Post by: KitC on November 02, 2009, 08:42:39 PM
on a personal perspective what do you think of the Behringer Podcast studio?
Welcome to the forums, kaishin!
To be honest, I never tried the Behringer Podcast Studio - never needed to. It does fall, however, into the "you-get-what-you-pay-for" category, meaning it is inexpensive and possibly meant for only what it says... podcasting. AFAIK, they give you a small mixer, headphones, a UCA202 interface and a dynamic mic; not bad for a podcasting kit, but a little too much gear to lug around if you want a truly portable rig. I've seen podcasting rigs based on a usb mic, eliminating the need for a mixer and interface. Still, I'm pretty sure it is adequate for the intended job.
As for serious recording, however, that is another matter.
Post by: kaishin_zurcs on November 03, 2009, 04:20:14 PM
Welcome to the forums, kaishin!
To be honest, I never tried the Behringer Podcast Studio - never needed to. It does fall, however, into the "you-get-what-you-pay-for" category, meaning it is inexpensive and possibly meant for only what it says... podcasting. AFAIK, they give you a small mixer, headphones, a UCA202 interface and a dynamic mic; not bad for a podcasting kit, but a little too much gear to lug around if you want a truly portable rig. I've seen podcasting rigs based on a usb mic, eliminating the need for a mixer and interface. Still, I'm pretty sure it is adequate for the intended job.
As for serious recording, however, that is another matter.
Hmmm.. I think I get what you mean by this explanation. My friend suggested this when we are talking about having our own DAW and he goes suggesting to have this instead of buying sepperate gadgets for Audio recording. However, his intention is to use this not for Podcasting but for recording DEmo's for his band. I think he is under the impression that "all the you need" is in a package deal already so taht is hwy he prefered this. :))
Well, since i am a newbie i think for now i'll go for the creative soundblaster setup first then Go from there. thank again sir kit. More power to you and this trhead. :)
Post by: KitC on November 03, 2009, 05:52:21 PM
Post by: alvincflorentino on November 03, 2009, 08:12:10 PM
This is in relation to the post I had a few messages back. Didn't think I had to specifically address you to get your response but I'll try again...
I asked about the HD speed, etc. Actually, thinking back I believe the answer to my query is pretty obvious since upgrading to the 7,200 speed should make it run at 7,200 as long as it's the internal kind, right? Well here's another one that may again seem pretty obvious: would using an external HD (either the 7,200 desktop versions or the slower 5,400 laptop versions) connected via USB 2.0 to your laptop or desktop slow the actual access time--you know, at real world recording speeds--and make the external HD speed moot since the SATA connection is not being taken advantage of? I know that USB 2.0 and firewire 400 have more or less the same speeds (60 to 80 MB/sec?) and that firewire 800 is much faster (but who's got firewire 800 nowadays?). Anyway, my real concern is if the above info is within the ballpark, would using an external HD into USB 2.0 pose problems during 1) live recording and tracking, and 2) mixing and mastering using plug-ins, assuming that you save your files (and therefore access them when mixing) using the external HD? Hope I got your attention and will appreciate any response. Thanks again.
Alvin
Post by: KitC on November 04, 2009, 10:10:26 AM
Anyway, from what I've been reading these past few days, you can make do with a 5400 rpm drive, it's just that your track counts may suffer a bit. If you are not doing a 100-track opus, then the 5400 drive will serve you well.
I have some concerns with using a usb2 drive for recording. One is that although it may have a faster data rate, remember that this is burst rate, not sustained data rate. This is where firewire beats that usb protocol. Another thing is that usb has a higher cpu polling rate than firewire, which could lead to potential dropouts during recording. I'd rather use usb drive as a backup media than a main recording drive.
Post by: alvincflorentino on November 04, 2009, 11:49:22 AM
Post by: kaishin_zurcs on November 12, 2009, 02:00:58 PM
Post by: carl20 on November 24, 2009, 01:44:58 PM
Im setting up a new cpu, what I have in mind is an MSI board with onboard firewire port for my presonus firepod and AMD II x4 processor 4gb of ram (upgradable up to 8gb) I'll be using an external drive for the audio files.
*what MSI board will you recommend?
*is AMD processors good for audio recording?
*is this set-up be fine?
thank you..
Post by: KitC on November 24, 2009, 02:52:34 PM
*what MSI board will you recommend?
If you want to use onboard firewire, Gigabyte usually uses TI firewire chips. Asus and MSI only use TI with their high end mobos.
*is AMD processors good for audio recording?
Normally, yes. I've previously used AMD for recording with no problems (my last AMD procie was an A64 3700+ San Diego). Unfortunately, I have no experience with the newer AM2+ or AM3 procs, but they should be ok.
Post by: carl20 on November 24, 2009, 03:03:22 PM
Post by: Mr.Floyd on December 02, 2009, 02:22:47 PM
here's my equipment plan.
mixer
m-audio 2496
alesis dm5 drum module.
2pc condenser overhead
1pc. snare mic
possible po ba mkpgrecord ako ng drum track with those gears?
Post by: KitC on December 02, 2009, 02:27:39 PM
sir good pm.. pwede ko po bang itap ung drum module sa m-audio 2496 to record a drum track?and possible po ba if ever na kaya nyang tumunog ng maganda like cd quality?
You can connect the alesis via midi to the 2496, but you will have to record it's audio via analog I/O.
Yes you can record to cd quality, but remember that it is still a drum module that uses samples. You need some expert programming in order to get it to sound like it was played by a good drummer.
Post by: Mr.Floyd on December 02, 2009, 06:12:25 PM
You can connect the alesis via midi to the 2496, but you will have to record it's audio via analog I/O.
pano po procedure sir medyo di ko pa ma visualize kc..sensya napo sir ah first tym ko palang kase mgrerecord if ever..need more information pa po..hehe
Post by: Mr.Floyd on December 10, 2009, 04:50:28 PM
Post by: KitC on December 11, 2009, 09:25:31 AM
sir kit question lang po.. if i'm already using a soundcard like line 6 ux2 and has a phantom power already.. do i still need a direct injection box for the mic?and also if i have a mixer do i still need it?
No on the DI box. The mixer would be useful if you need more mic inputs than your ux2 can handle. If you don't need more than 2 mic preamps, then the mixer is superfluous. OTOH, since the ux2 is only capable of 2 simultaneous inputs, having a mixer around increases your total possible inputs, but it submixes them however.
Post by: charles55 on December 17, 2009, 05:13:02 PM
Im a guitarist. I record my takes sa LINE 6 Pod Studio GX.
gusto ko din sana magrecord ng Vocals.
isip ko sana kung pwede akong kumuha ng small mixer tapos connect ko sya sa Line 6 inteface?
possible kaya un sir?
eto ung illustration galing sa line6 pero parang di pwede ung mic since walang Phantom Power ung interface.
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g53/charles55_2006/setup_gx.jpg)
Thanks Sir. :-)
Post by: KitC on December 17, 2009, 06:17:39 PM
gusto ko din sana magrecord ng Vocals.
isip ko sana kung pwede akong kumuha ng small mixer tapos connect ko sya sa Line 6 inteface?
The GX has only 1 input and it seems to be mono only and the input impedance appears to be voiced for guitars; a mixer will simply overdrive that input. There is no point in getting a mixer for that interface, unless you upgrade to the UX1 or UX2. Mics like the SM58 are not exactly compatible because the input is an unbalanced 1/4" jack.
Post by: charles55 on December 18, 2009, 10:43:30 AM
may ma recommend kb na interface na multu purpose na din?
pang mic, guitara, or kung pwede ung drums na din.
isip ko sana ung Presonus Firebox or MAudio interfaces..
any recommendations sir? thanks :-)
Post by: KitC on December 18, 2009, 02:16:53 PM
isip ko sana ung Presonus Firebox or MAudio interfaces..
any recommendations sir? thanks :-)
Think about the number of inputs you will need. Drums need at least 3 mic inputs; an entire band setup needs at least 8 inputs. There are interfaces from Presonus and Maudio that fit that bill, and other interfaces from other manufacturers as well. Just make sure of possible compatibility issues with your pc (macs don't seem to have that problem... in general).
Post by: blah on December 24, 2009, 01:00:31 AM
its really annoying. i just wanna record simple tracks and nothing fancy -- at least for now. I don't know much so please be gentle.
I only use the mic in of my motherboards input and an adapter to plug my guitar. i run a win7 machine, core 2 duo, 2 gig ram, no soundcard and use acid pro 6 as my daw..
so whats up with the delay? dahil ba sa equip ko? do i really need to buy an ux-1 (or the like) just to avoid having this delay?
Post by: KitC on December 24, 2009, 09:44:44 AM
Post by: Mr.Floyd on December 27, 2009, 10:38:36 PM
Post by: KitC on December 29, 2009, 09:48:43 AM
sir another question..is it possible to record also drum tracks sa line 6 ux2 and an 8 input mixer?
yes, although you will be limited to recording stereo tracks of your drums only.
Post by: kaishin_zurcs on January 05, 2010, 05:53:29 PM
Again I need help. hehe :))
Sir I recently acquired an Maudio 2496 usb.
It is working fine and I can hear my self when i tried to put a microphone but the problem is I cant use it for recording.
I am currently using Adobe audition and when I try to Arm a track for recording it seems that it wont recognize the audio interface for some reason.
Now I am now sure if its a compatibilty issue or do i have to disble my on board sound card first or what. Totally clueless :(
Thanks in advance sire kit :)
Post by: KitC on January 06, 2010, 01:01:50 PM
I am currently using Adobe audition and when I try to Arm a track for recording it seems that it wont recognize the audio interface for some reason.
See if this will help: http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=support.faq&ID=e517a9188d14181b9369d9df8f8f899a
It may say Fast Track, but I'm sure the functionality is the same.
Post by: redballs17 on January 07, 2010, 11:27:21 AM
May nagbigay sakin ng old canton na speaker 100watts at 8ohms, pwede ko bang gamitin siya bilang monitor speaker lagay lang ako ng power amp at mixer?
any suggestion kung anong amp?
TIA :-)
Post by: KitC on January 07, 2010, 11:38:04 AM
May nagbigay sakin ng old canton na speaker 100watts at 8ohms, pwede ko bang gamitin siya bilang monitor speaker lagay lang ako ng power amp at mixer?
For serious recording, I doubt you can rely on the accuracy of this speaker. Just connect it to your hifi.
Post by: redballs17 on January 07, 2010, 11:40:39 AM
For serious recording, I doubt you can rely on the accuracy of this speaker. Just connect it to your hifi.
sayangs bili na lang siguro ko ng monitor speaker. thanks.
Post by: samuelfianza on January 09, 2010, 10:33:20 AM
Post by: KitC on January 09, 2010, 12:54:42 PM
Ano po ang mga kailangan pag magrerecord ng vocals?
A microphone would be nice...
Seriously, get the best gear you can afford for vocals, starting with the mic, preamp, and interface. Don't also forget about getting good cables... no point in getting premium gear then connecting it with cheap, crappy cables.
Post by: Mr.Floyd on January 14, 2010, 03:40:19 PM
Post by: redballs17 on January 14, 2010, 05:46:06 PM
My set-up
Guitar ===> RP155 ===> CPU and Amp
TIA
Post by: KitC on January 15, 2010, 08:31:08 AM
possible po ba na kahit i direct ko nalang yung module through usb via midi-usb cable kahit hindi na dumaan sa audio interface?thanks in advance, :-)
Remember that you are using the DM5 only as a midi controller in order to trigger samples from ezdrummer. Since the drums are software, it's only a matter of recording the midi tracks, then rendering the resulting audio from ezdrummer. As an example, record a midi drum track then 'freeze' the track. Normally, your daw software will render an audio track from the softsynth.
Post by: KitC on January 15, 2010, 08:50:36 AM
I recently bought a Digitech RP155 as a recording interface. Other add-ons (like recomended software and other stuffs) that can enhance my recordings?
You can use freeware such as audacity to begin recording. Sonar 8 has a trial edition that you can use for 30 days. There are other software out there such as Propellerheads' Record and Steinberg's Cubase. Choose the one that feels comfortable for you.
One more thing you might need especially when mixing... good monitors.
Post by: berbs on January 19, 2010, 04:40:47 PM
Post by: Xelly on January 19, 2010, 08:29:19 PM
Post by: KitC on January 20, 2010, 11:10:48 AM
sir, ok pa din po bang gamitin ang cool edit? hanggang ngaun kc ganun pa din ang gamit ko.
Cool edit is ok. Early editions didn't do vst and asio, however, and it didn't have midi capabilities - not really a problem if you don't do midi. CE is now known as Audition and it is better, IMO, with the inclusion of spectral editing.
Post by: KitC on January 20, 2010, 11:17:43 AM
One time kasi nagrecording ako na nakaset yung DAW ko ng 16-bit. AFter ng recording may option na yung wav file is 24-bit.
You will not gain much by increasing the bit rate of a 16-bit file to 24-bit. What it does is just add 8 zeroes to the end of the 16-bit word, and you don't gain anything in terms of detail. It is better to record a wav as 24-bit initially, rather than convert from 16 to 24.
There is a reason for recording at 24-bit. Better headroom for one. Usually, detail is in the last 4 to 8 bits of a 24-bit word. Fades, reverbs and high frequencies benefit from using the high bit rate. If you want to be able to hear the difference bit rate makes, try converting a file to 8-bit or even 4-bit if you could play it, then listen to the loss of detail. A similar effect can be achieved if you also use lower sampling rates such as 11 khz or below.
Post by: Xelly on January 20, 2010, 11:29:16 AM
Another question pa pala!! Maapektuhan ba yung latency if ever from 16-bit gawin kong 24-bit? Tnx tnx tnx!!!
Post by: KitC on January 20, 2010, 12:10:34 PM
^^ So kung yung soundcard ko sir(POD XT Live) is 96khz and 16-bit, no use kung yung daw ko is nakaset sa 24-bit?
It's better to keep the DAW at 24-bit or even 16-bit processing, which is different from converting a file from 16-bit to 24-bit. Most daws today operate at 24-, 32- or even 64-bit internal processing, which is different from recording a wav natively as 24-bit. Your soundcard has to be 24-bit capable in order to record 24-bit wavs; if the POD is only 16-bit, it will only record 16-bit wavs. The increased processing bit rate is necessary for plugins; reverbs and compression, for ex., sound smoother if you use high bit rate processing.
Another question pa pala!! Maapektuhan ba yung latency if ever from 16-bit gawin kong 24-bit? Tnx tnx tnx!!!
No, but you will find that latency is slower at higher sample rates. The only caveat to this is that cpu loading can be inordinately high at sample rates above 48 khz so if you have a relatively low powered cpu, you may have fewer tracks available to you. One more thing, not all plugins operate at high sample rates.
Post by: Xelly on January 20, 2010, 11:11:44 PM
Post by: KitC on January 21, 2010, 09:56:48 AM
It's better to keep the DAW at 24-bit or even 16-bit processing, which is different from converting a file from 16-bit to 24-bit. Most daws today operate at 24-, 32- or even 64-bit internal processing, which is different from recording a wav natively as 24-bit. Your soundcard has to be 24-bit capable in order to record 24-bit wavs; if the POD is only 16-bit, it will only record 16-bit wavs. The increased processing bit rate is necessary for plugins; reverbs and compression, for ex., sound smoother if you use high bit rate processing.
No, but you will find that latency is lower at higher sample rates. The only caveat to this is that cpu loading can be inordinately high at sample rates above 48 khz so if you have a relatively low powered cpu, you may have fewer tracks available to you. One more thing, not all plugins operate at high sample rates.
EDIT: Latency is lower... not slower. 8-)
Post by: berbs on January 21, 2010, 12:58:39 PM
Cool edit is ok. Early editions didn't do vst and asio, however, and it didn't have midi capabilities - not really a problem if you don't do midi. CE is now known as Audition and it is better, IMO, with the inclusion of spectral editing.thanks po sir. saan po ba makakakuha ng audition at ano po ba ang ibig sabihin ng vst, asio at IMO? cencia na po sir maxado na akong hindi updated about recording. Im planning po kasing magtayo ng rehearsal studio and maybe recording studio in a very low budget status. anu po ba ang maganda for soundproofing? cheap but effective soundproof. salamat po.
Post by: Xelly on January 23, 2010, 11:29:58 AM
Post by: KitC on January 23, 2010, 12:29:49 PM
thanks po sir. saan po ba makakakuha ng audition at ano po ba ang ibig sabihin ng vst, asio at IMO?
Only so much can be posted in this site that hasn't already been posted elsewhere, so why re-invent the wheel? Go to www.tweakheadz.com and go through the guides there; the site is an excellent resource for everything audio and noobs will benefit from reading everything that site has to offer. Google other sites that also offer information about recording. Sorry, there's no shortcut if you want to improve in this biz.
As for Audition, you'll have to get it from Adobe. I know others will point you to torrent and warez sites, but there's nothing like starting right. I also know that most usually "try-before-you-buy", but let's face it, if you want to succeed in a business that you absolutely depend on, then why kill it? Buy the software you use, and I don't mean from G'hills and other dvd/cd shops.
Post by: KitC on January 23, 2010, 12:38:39 PM
Noob question sir Kit!! Ano yung high pass filters and paano ito ginagamit? Salamat!!!!
High pass filters are EQs that pass audio above a certain frequency. This means that if you have a high pass set at 250 Hz, then it will pass frequencies from 250 Hz and above while attenuating (or cutting off completely) frequencies below 250 Hz. This type of EQ is often used to cut bass frequencies from a track or mix, especially if you want to remove "mud" from instruments that can obscure other instruments that are meant for playing bass.
An example of this is putting a high pass on guitar (or other instruments) so that the low end does not interfere with the bass guitar or kick drum, for example. Clearing up this "mud" makes the bass guitar more prominent and distinct.
Post by: Xelly on January 23, 2010, 12:44:06 PM
High pass filters are EQs that pass audio above a certain frequency. This means that if you have a high pass set at 250 Hz, then it will pass frequencies from 250 Hz and above while attenuating (or cutting off completely) frequencies below 250 Hz. This type of EQ is often used to cut bass frequencies from a track or mix, especially if you want to remove "mud" from instruments that can obscure other instruments that are meant for playing bass.Haaayy ang lupet nyo sir!!!! Another brain cells nanaman sa utak ko dahil sa inyo!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: Maraming salamat!!! :-D
An example of this is putting a high pass on guitar (or other instruments) so that the low end does not interfere with the bass guitar or kick drum, for example. Clearing up this "mud" makes the bass guitar more prominent and distinct.
Post by: mr. gellybean on February 10, 2010, 08:27:12 AM
Ok.... rather than set up a tutorial thread, let's make this into a Q & A sort of thread and the emphasis will be on setting up your PC regardless of the specs.
Hi sir Kit,
Somebody gave me an Asus Commando motherboard with 4 gig of ram sticks... here's a link for the
specshttp://www.motherboards.org/reviews/motherboards/1706_2.html
what can you advice if im gonna build this into an audio workstation? parts e.g. processor and what not... also, will this be compatible with the Fireface 800 from RME? this board seems to only have one firewire... thanks a lot...
Post by: KitC on February 10, 2010, 09:53:53 AM
It also is based on the Intel 965 chipset so you can use current 775-pin processors - see compatibility charts on the Asus site to confirm which are compatible.
Post by: Xelly on February 11, 2010, 12:46:52 PM
Processor: Intel Pentium Dual CPU T3400 @ 2.16Ghz
RAM: 2GB
OS: Win7 64-bit
DAW: Guitar Tracks Pro 3
Snoundcard: Pod XT Live
Harddisk: 250GB (paano ba sir malalaman yung speed ng harddisk ko?)
Sir hingi lang ako ng tulong nagkakaproblema talaga ako sa latency. Tamang driver for the soundcard naman gamit ko. Nkaset sa 96kHz, 24bit recording yung GT Pro3 with I/O Buffer Size set at 128kb.
Hingi rin sana ako ng email nyo sir send ko sa inyo yung nirecord ko hingi ako ng comments. Tnx
Post by: KitC on February 12, 2010, 10:28:58 AM
Post by: berbs on February 12, 2010, 02:10:07 PM
san po ba makakabili ng interface na mura lang?
sa us kasi around 49 dollars lang.
san po ba?
Post by: Xelly on February 15, 2010, 08:21:51 PM
@Xelly - most laptops come with 5400 rpm drives. Recording at 96/24 can be hard on the cpu especially if you have several tracks already. There's nothing wrong with using 44.1 khz/24-bits for recording. Just post a link to your recording... I can PM you my email addy instead.Tnx for the info sir!! So makakatulong ng malaki sa latency kung ibaba ko sa 44.1khz sampling rate? If you dont mind sir paPM ng email nyo para send ko sa inyo yung wav file? Tnx!!
Post by: alvincflorentino on March 15, 2010, 10:43:47 AM
Next, since I shall be going cross-platform, the most basic interface I'm considering is M-audio FastTrack Pro USB. It's got all the bells and whistles plus MIDI I/O which is essential and it's very portable. And it's relatively cheap. It does work with PCs, right? Cuz I know it works with ProTools albeit the M-powered version. Will this also work with the LE version in case I purchase the LE instead? And can the ProTools M-powered or LE version be installed in both the PC and the Mac with no issues? I'm not too keen on using firewire as there seems to be more compatibility issues with the chip and it's attendant hassles. I know the MBox 2 will also work but will it work with PC?
Thanks in advance guys...
Post by: KitC on March 15, 2010, 03:01:38 PM
Will this also work with the LE version in case I purchase the LE instead?
No. LE versions only work with Digidesign Mbox and 001/002/003 hardware.
And can the ProTools M-powered or LE version be installed in both the PC and the Mac with no issues?
We have had no issues with HD systems sharing with LE, but I'm not so sure between LE and M-powered. There is no practical difference between LE and MP save for hardware. If you are using M-audio, just install the MP version instead on both platforms.
Post by: alvincflorentino on March 15, 2010, 06:57:09 PM
No. LE versions only work with Digidesign Mbox and 001/002/003 hardware.
We have had no issues with HD systems sharing with LE, but I'm not so sure between LE and M-powered. There is no practical difference between LE and MP save for hardware. If you are using M-audio, just install the MP version instead on both platforms.
Great. I think I got it. So, it's M-audio >>> PT M-powered >>> PC or
M-audio >>> PT M-powered >>> Mac;
Another possibility is............MBox 2 >>> PT LE >>> PC or
MBox 2 >>> PT LE >>> Mac
Right?
Post by: KitC on March 16, 2010, 05:35:39 PM
Post by: alvincflorentino on March 17, 2010, 10:20:01 AM
Post by: KitC on March 18, 2010, 11:00:00 AM
What's G3 and G4 and will they suffice?
Those are very old models. Worse, they won't run Leopard.
Get yourself a new mac mini. It's more than enough. You will need a usb m-audio though so no pci soundcards to go with it. You can also go the mbox route if you prefer.
Post by: alvincflorentino on March 18, 2010, 09:40:42 PM
Post by: KitC on March 19, 2010, 10:05:12 AM
Try to gauge your wants vs. what you really need.
Post by: alvincflorentino on March 19, 2010, 02:54:42 PM
...although you can record to it's internal 5400 rpm drive.
I think that's acceptable. Will be using a USB interface anyway so 2 tracks may be handled fairly easily...I think.Firewire and USB are all you get for your expansion needs.
I could go the USB external drive route for recording audio but frankly, I've never tried recording direct to external drive so I don't know how efficient or effective that is.
I need a Mac for basic ProTools recording, but I don't want to spend my life savings to be able to do that. So there. :-D
Post by: KitC on March 21, 2010, 11:55:49 AM
If basic stereo recording is what you need, you can get a more powerful pc laptop for the amount of money you will spend on a macbook. And let's not get into macs being less prone to viruses... osx is less secure than even vista.
Post by: Xelly on March 21, 2010, 08:15:54 PM
The rule of thumb is that you don't record to the drive where your programs and OS are. Even partitioning the drive only causes problems are far as head travel is concerned causing possible dropouts if the drive can't keep up. That's the reason why we recommend having a 2nd drive for audio data. Worse case scenario is when the OS drive fails, it will take all data, including your audio along with it. Think of the 2nd drive as a failsafe.Ok lang ba sir gumamit ng external hard drives na usb 2.0?
If basic stereo recording is what you need, you can get a more powerful pc laptop for the amount of money you will spend on a macbook. And let's not get into macs being less prone to viruses... osx is less secure than even vista.
Post by: KitC on March 22, 2010, 12:16:39 AM
Ok lang ba sir gumamit ng external hard drives na usb 2.0?
One of the reasons firewire is often recommended is because of the way it doesn't stress the cpu as much as usb does. While usb2.0 has theoretically greater data throughput, remember that this is 'burst' speed, not continuous data transmission. When writing audio to disk during recording, sustained throughput is more important and this is where firewire beats out usb, especially firewire 800. This means that usb drives are often better used for backing up data instead of recording direct to disk
To be honest, however, I have never tried to use a usb 2.0 drive for recording, but I'd rather be safe with my data than not. There is a new development for usb with the version 3.0 protocol, although it remains to be seen if usb 3.0 can provide the necessary sustained data throughput for audio.
Post by: alvincflorentino on March 22, 2010, 12:18:19 AM
The rule of thumb is that you don't record to the drive where your programs and OS are. Even partitioning the drive only causes problems are far as head travel is concerned causing possible dropouts if the drive can't keep up. That's the reason why we recommend having a 2nd drive for audio data. Worse case scenario is when the OS drive fails, it will take all data, including your audio along with it. Think of the 2nd drive as a failsafe.
If basic stereo recording is what you need, you can get a more powerful pc laptop for the amount of money you will spend on a macbook. And let's not get into macs being less prone to viruses... osx is less secure than even vista.
I think I've gone over the top requiring a Mac just for basic recording into ProTools when, like you said, I can have my cake and eat it too with a PC laptop running Protools LE or M-powered as long as I have the correct interface.
Post by: alvincflorentino on March 29, 2010, 02:39:14 PM
(http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2191/12879787/22918134/384938624.jpg)
Thanks for the advise!
Post by: KitC on March 30, 2010, 08:28:54 AM
A look at the Digi specs indicate compatibility with AMD processors, but they specify Nforce chipsets... even the outdated Via KT266 chipset is stated!
Check with the link above for compatibility, or you could try the DUC forums in their windows PT forum.
Post by: alvincflorentino on March 30, 2010, 08:38:28 PM
Post by: KitC on April 04, 2010, 10:35:28 AM
We hated the PT interface, though. And preferred Cubase as our recording software of choice. The funny part? We would master the mixed down tracks using Sonar's VC64.
Post by: kaishin_zurcs on April 05, 2010, 11:55:41 AM
I am sorry but i need yet again an expert advice from you :D
I had avquired a USB fast track m audio. It seems that mic is picking up voice and i can hear it in the speakers and audio but i cant seem to record anything using adobe audition 3.0. I tried to check and an error occured while trying to hardware setup to m audio.
(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/3751/arer.jpg) (http://img189.imageshack.us/i/arer.jpg/)
i tried pretty much everything stated in this thread.. http://forums.m-audio.com/archive/index.php/t-1476.html
1.) reisntalled driver
2.) used the onboard card for output (as advice in the thread)
3.) device manager put a check on power saving off for usb hubs
4.) disabled start up for m audio in ms config
5.) Try enabling the "Do Not Map Through This Device":
i do not what to do from this point and it seems that it is a known issue. I just felt that I didnt reasearch enough before even buying this stuff. hope my money is not lost with this gadget, thanks sir kit.
I am running XP sp2, 1 gig memroy 200+ hd space..
Post by: KitC on April 06, 2010, 10:32:48 AM
Since the fast track is usb, you might have to check on the specific usb port you are using. One thing about usb devices, once you install the fast track to a specific usb port, leave it there! Although usb is supposed to be plug and play, most driver installs 'affix' the device to a particular port. I seem to recall that the fast track is usb 2.0; if you are plugging into a usb 1.1 port, that could be the source of your problems.
From all indications of your screenshot, it appears to be a driver issue to me. And what's the deal with using onboard audio for monitoring? The fast track should be capable of it. You cannot use 2 different audio devices with asio. Asio drivers do not share at all with multiple audio devices. For you to monitor using the onboard, you have to use WDM or Directsound drivers.
You can also experiment with asio4all if you are having problems with asio implementation.
Post by: alvincflorentino on April 06, 2010, 09:26:07 PM
If it's any consolation, we tried out PT 7 M-powered on an AMD DAW with a 1010LT at the defunct PIMP studios... ask BAMF.
We hated the PT interface, though. And preferred Cubase as our recording software of choice. The funny part? We would master the mixed down tracks using Sonar's VC64.
In all honesty, I'm a Sonar guy through and through, ever since Twelve Tone Systems came out with Cakewalk 3.0 (I think). The only reason for me wanting to venture into ProTools territory is because my son is getting into Music Prod and they use both Sonar and ProTools (which you already know since you taught there, right?) and, therefore, I'd like for him to have access to and become as familiar as possible with both platforms.
BTW, don't you just love that VC64? Ha!
Post by: KitC on April 08, 2010, 09:50:22 AM
Post by: melodic_claws on June 02, 2010, 06:19:32 PM
Binabasa ko tong forum at nakakatuwa kasi ang dami kong natututunan though yung iba ang hirap i apply as iba iba kasi yung DAW at interfaces na ginamit. Just want to hear pieces(madami talaga kelangan ko kasi talagang baguhan ako sa field) of advices from the expert.
My set up is the just simple. A guitar/bass/mic-->zoom g2.1u-->PC(cubase LE4) Since wala po kaming drummer, we uses drum machine softwares na tinimpla ko rin according to my taste.
Layin nung mga mga tunog, ayus naman, all are sync according to my ear's perception.
Here are my questions. Sana po masagot nyo mga ser
1. Yung drum machine, pano sya lalabas na real drums. Na satisfy ako nung na hybrid ko sya acoustic mixcraft5 by using compressor plugins. May iba bang teknik na pwedeng gamitin (metal pala ang genre ng tugtugan so more of malutong na snares and double bass drums
2. Pag kinocompare ko yung mga advertise professional CD sa ginawa kong output.. Parang payat ang tunog nung sa akin.. Tinaasan ko na up to 4-5 decibel gamit ang adobe audition ang output(sama ang mga hard limiting and many more efx na mapapalakas at mapapganda ang output ng recording). May settings ba ako na dapat i set sa cubase in terms of output production?
3. Say naka 3 songs ka na, pano mo papantayin ang decibel output nito kung i burn mo na sa CD. yung tipong pantay lahat.
4. Sa vocals, I am using Shure mic PG58, paano papaangatin ang tunog ng vox at pati na rin ang bass(by pass lang to walang efx para hindi maghalo sa tunog ng gitara)? May teknik din ba dito or efx or any hybrid utility na pwedeng gamitin?
Yan po muna ang aking queries. Sana po hindi kayo naguluhan sa mga tanong ko.. any suggestions, responses will be highly appreciated.
Edit: This question has been posted to other thread pala.. nde ko kasi alam kung san ko rin popost sa anong thread :mrgreen:
Post by: sugonidamaso on June 19, 2010, 02:03:58 PM
Post by: KitC on June 20, 2010, 10:51:31 AM
Post by: sugonidamaso on June 20, 2010, 11:39:04 AM
Post by: KitC on June 22, 2010, 04:03:03 PM
everythings fine sir.ung tape tlga ung my noise background(my laman ung tape nung napatungan ng new recording).connect ko po sya ng pang aux adaptor.pano ko po i-separate ung new recorded music?tnx po sa reply!
Only so much processing you can do with tape hiss before the noise reduction becomes evident. Just apply noise reduction in several passes using small percentages at a time.
If you can hear previously recorded material on the tape, there is no easy solution to that other than to re-record. Malamang the erase head on the walkman is loaded with oxide.
Post by: sugonidamaso on June 22, 2010, 10:28:16 PM
Post by: Zacchary_amadeus on June 25, 2010, 11:54:11 AM
Post by: Xelly on June 25, 2010, 03:26:15 PM
im just new here in this thread. i am just wondering is it possible if i could set up an hp netbook for recording?? if it is possible, what are the things that could be done?? got my 2.1 speakers though..Pwede yan sir!! Ano specs ng netbook nyo?
Post by: Zacchary_amadeus on June 27, 2010, 11:30:37 AM
120 gb hdd memory
2 gb ram
Post by: KitC on June 27, 2010, 03:32:34 PM
You will get limited functionality when it comes to plugins that rely heavily on the cpu (native processing). Often, you might have to process fx offline and not be able to audition them in realtime.
Post by: Zacchary_amadeus on June 27, 2010, 07:26:36 PM
Post by: Xelly on June 27, 2010, 10:07:58 PM
oh thanks i will try my luck if I can do it.. Where can I get PT M sir?? is it available from the internet and locally in the philippine market??Yung una kong laptop sir ganyan specs kaya naman. Medyo naghihingalo nga lang kapag marami na yung tracks and plugins. :-o
Post by: KitC on June 28, 2010, 09:46:16 AM
Post by: zephglazer on July 03, 2010, 11:21:18 AM
Post by: KitC on July 03, 2010, 11:27:04 AM
Post by: CeL1916 on July 06, 2010, 12:02:02 PM
tanung ko lang pano ba marecord yung live na tugtugan pero ang pasok sa recorder mo eh seperate tracks siya, at hindi isang track lang..
halimbawa lahat ng instruments naka line in sa isang mixer, tapos yung mixer ko nakatape-output sa laptop using RCA yung Y-cable nakasaksak sa mic-in..
kaso pag tumugtog na at narerecord yung instruments sa isang track lang.. :-P
naseseparate bayun mga sirs, para hiwalay yung guitar tracks sa bass tracks at sa drum tracks?
kahit sabay sabay tinugtog yun.
sana naintindihan niyo yung tanong! hehe..
Post by: alvinilano on July 06, 2010, 12:32:14 PM
bago lang ako sa Recording eh, home recording lang, parang hobby lang at di naman pa ganun kaseryoso. ang gamit ko nga pala eh Cakewalk
tanung ko lang pano ba marecord yung live na tugtugan pero ang pasok sa recorder mo eh seperate tracks siya, at hindi isang track lang..
halimbawa lahat ng instruments naka line in sa isang mixer, tapos yung mixer ko nakatape-output sa laptop using RCA yung Y-cable nakasaksak sa mic-in..
kaso pag tumugtog na at narerecord yung instruments sa isang track lang.. :-P
naseseparate bayun mga sirs, para hiwalay yung guitar tracks sa bass tracks at sa drum tracks?
kahit sabay sabay tinugtog yun.
sana naintindihan niyo yung tanong! hehe..
You will need an interface with multiple inputs :-D
Post by: Xelly on July 06, 2010, 02:30:09 PM
bago lang ako sa Recording eh, home recording lang, parang hobby lang at di naman pa ganun kaseryoso. ang gamit ko nga pala eh CakewalkCheck nyo sir Presonus Firepod or mga M-Audio na products. :D
tanung ko lang pano ba marecord yung live na tugtugan pero ang pasok sa recorder mo eh seperate tracks siya, at hindi isang track lang..
halimbawa lahat ng instruments naka line in sa isang mixer, tapos yung mixer ko nakatape-output sa laptop using RCA yung Y-cable nakasaksak sa mic-in..
kaso pag tumugtog na at narerecord yung instruments sa isang track lang.. :-P
naseseparate bayun mga sirs, para hiwalay yung guitar tracks sa bass tracks at sa drum tracks?
kahit sabay sabay tinugtog yun.
sana naintindihan niyo yung tanong! hehe..
Post by: putchazta_46 on July 06, 2010, 04:52:48 PM
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Post by: CeL1916 on July 12, 2010, 04:28:48 PM
Sabay-sabay talaga? baka dapat bawat instruments mo may kanya-kanyang mic or direct cables, tapos may gagamitin kang gadget na parang ROUTER para sa sharing..? tapos dun mo isasaksak lahat. parang sa mga totoong recording :|
pero kung pa isa-isa pwede na DIY patong-patong nalang :wink:
haha di ko yan sure, feeling ko lang ganyan dapat. DIY recording lang ako e, haha
Bale, ang recording eh isa-isa lang muna tapos patong lang nang patong? di pala pwede yun maseperate kahit may mixer? :|
Post by: Xelly on July 12, 2010, 04:51:22 PM
Post by: KitC on July 13, 2010, 10:21:17 AM
Pero kung gusto mo din gawin e; Kung paano mo Hihimayin yung isang Song, na naka mp3 format na. try mo 'to basahin http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=870297&mpage=1&print=true (http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=870297&mpage=1&print=true)
The cakewalk thread is about midi, which is way, way different from audio.
Here's an example of multiple tracks of midi and audio using Sonar:
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/kitcoronel/TotoS5.jpg)
In the picture, I think about 3 hardware synths were tracked simultaneously, the softsynths were rendered to audio, and an electric guitar part was added since it was better to track it live than sequenced.
Post by: KitC on July 14, 2010, 10:09:32 AM
Track 34 features the live guitar that I had a friend record. I flew in his wav and then cut it up so that I could adjust the timing. You could see that somewhere around measure 45 where I added V-vocal to the track to further adjust timing since my buddy was sometimes leading or lagging the beat - a sign that the metronome wasn't on when he recorded, and this was on the all important solo! Btw, this is a sequence of Toto's "I Won't Hold You Back" which I made for a local 'artist' some years back.
Post by: CeL1916 on July 26, 2010, 04:35:33 PM
san niyo kinakabit yung mixer..(kapag lahat ng amps sinasak ko sa isang mixer para isang out lang papuntang pc)?
ginagamit ko kasi yung microphone-input o dapat ba dun sa "LINE-IN" input(light-blue ang color code)
pang noob yung tanung pero talagang di ko lang alam para san yun..
tsaka @ Xelly
anung tawag diyan sa firepod? (generic name/hindi yung brand) thanks!
Post by: Xelly on July 27, 2010, 09:35:15 AM
eto mabilis na tanung lang.."Audio interface" sir. :-)
san niyo kinakabit yung mixer..(kapag lahat ng amps sinasak ko sa isang mixer para isang out lang papuntang pc)?
ginagamit ko kasi yung microphone-input o dapat ba dun sa "LINE-IN" input(light-blue ang color code)
pang noob yung tanung pero talagang di ko lang alam para san yun..
tsaka @ Xelly
anung tawag diyan sa firepod? (generic name/hindi yung brand) thanks!
Post by: s2ry0fdyr on July 29, 2010, 08:35:26 PM
Need help
Im planning to switch form PC to Apple IMac or MacPro
for my basic Home Recording..
I will be using Ableton Live as my Sequencer Software
Plan to record eight Mic for drums, Some Plug-ins
Is Imac good enough for recording or should I go to MacPro?
(but MacPro is a little bit too pricey for me)
thanks
Post by: jamming_papu on July 29, 2010, 08:46:16 PM
Just get a compatible interface and your good to go.
Post by: s2ry0fdyr on July 29, 2010, 11:20:39 PM
An Imac can be good enough for your specs above. 8 input simultaneous recording won't require too much hardware power. Specs of current Imac models (e.g. IntelCore I3 - 4gb RAM) are powerful enough for multitrack recording. Ableton works well with Macs.
Just get a compatible interface and your good to go.
thanks for the reply.
I'm currently using Line6 Toneport Ux8
I just wanna make sure if will i'll be to avoid issues like latency, clicks or drops?
I dont use so much plug-ins though..
Post by: jamming_papu on July 29, 2010, 11:52:20 PM
thanks for the reply.
I'm currently using Line6 Toneport Ux8
I just wanna make sure if will i'll be to avoid issues like latency, clicks or drops?
I dont use so much plug-ins though..
Toneport has good latency adjustment settings. The I-3 with a 3GHz processor with 4Gb DDR3 RAM seems more than enough for the hardware requirements. If ever there is a noticeable latency observed in the setup, adjusting buffers and sampling rate can be done to solve this. This can be done in the Hardware settings of the interface or within the DAW. :-)
Post by: malabert on August 01, 2010, 09:35:25 PM
Post by: KitC on August 02, 2010, 10:32:47 AM
Mga sir Im planning to buy a Berhinger FCA 202...What do you think ok po ba ito?
It's good for starters although I believe some people have had issues with latency.
Post by: axebass26 on August 02, 2010, 10:43:36 AM
is this a decent setup for home/garage recording?
Post by: KitC on August 02, 2010, 11:08:21 AM
behringer xenyx1202 -> uca202 -> computer
is this a decent setup for home/garage recording?
Well, yes, although you are limited to stereo/2-channel recording with this setup.
Post by: A.B on August 05, 2010, 03:30:44 AM
pede ba onboard sound card gamitin pag mag record
tapos computer mic then speakers with headphone?
Post by: KitC on August 05, 2010, 03:38:07 PM
pede ba onboard sound card gamitin pag mag record
tapos computer mic then speakers with headphone?
Yes, but be aware that sound quality may not be the best. You are also limited to line in plus the mic in for inputs... not recommended if you plan on plugging in your guitar.
Post by: A.B on August 06, 2010, 04:33:03 AM
Yes, but be aware that sound quality may not be the best. You are also limited to line in plus the mic in for inputs... not recommended if you plan on plugging in your guitar.
thanks sir
Post by: akoyatasiemil on August 06, 2010, 05:42:46 PM
gusto ko po sana kasi malinis ung tunog tsaka ok ung quality.
at ano po ung specs ng pc pag nag assemble ako? balak ko magpaassemble para sa m-audio delta 1010lt.
thank you very much!!! :D
Post by: KitC on August 06, 2010, 11:12:40 PM
Post by: akoyatasiemil on August 06, 2010, 11:17:48 PM
budget ko pala 200$ sa musicians friend ako tumitingin :D
ano po pala sasabihin ko sa mag a-assemble para sa ganitong sound card (m-audio 1010lt)?
Post by: KitC on August 06, 2010, 11:25:53 PM
Post by: akoyatasiemil on August 06, 2010, 11:32:58 PM
tinry ko basahin mga reviews ng line6 ux1 wala negative kaya baka mag ux1 nalang ako para sure?
eto ung plano ko para sa home studio sir
record ng guitar/bass
record ng midi (pwede po ba to sa ux1?)
record ng vocals (nabasa ko po na di to pwede sa ux1 kasi walang phantom power, ano po kailangan ko para dito? mixer?)
record ng drums pero electronic drums (pwede din po ba to sa ux1? kung hindi, ok lang program na lang muna ng drums)
mga genre: metal, electronica and acoustic
software: cubase or sonar
pang sariling gamit at home studio lang, pero gusto ko ok na demo :D
thank you po ulit!!
Post by: KitC on August 09, 2010, 10:16:14 AM
kakabasa ko lang po ng reviews nakita ko may mga negative reviews ung line 6 ux2.
tinry ko basahin mga reviews ng line6 ux1 wala negative kaya baka mag ux1 nalang ako para sure?
I dunno... some of the 'problems' I've been reading seem to point to user error.
The UX1 should be sufficient for your needs.
Post by: altec122 on August 11, 2010, 08:13:18 PM
binasa ko na po yung buong thread pero wala po akong nakitang explanation para ma solve yung problem ko.
inquiry about guitar>effect>pc sound.
tanong ko lang po bakit sa LEFT speaker lang po natunog yung gitara kapag sinasaksak ko siya sa line-in ng pc?
may paraan ba po para mapatunog ko yung gitara sa left and right satellite ng speaker?
set up is:
Guitar > Effect (zoom g1x next) > line-in
I'm using a Stereo converter type jack like this one
(http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/5821/jack2535.th.jpg) (http://img208.imageshack.us/i/jack2535.jpg/)
Salamat po!
Post by: Xelly on August 11, 2010, 11:11:53 PM
Post by: altec122 on August 12, 2010, 12:55:34 AM
Post by: Xelly on August 12, 2010, 01:32:46 PM
Post by: KitC on August 12, 2010, 02:37:14 PM
tanong ko lang po bakit sa LEFT speaker lang po natunog yung gitara kapag sinasaksak ko siya sa line-in ng pc?
Check the headphone output on the G1X by really inserting a headphone. If you hear only the left channel, either the particular effect setting is mono and panned hard left, or the right channel is busted if all effect setting exhibit left channel operation only.
Another explanation for the 'left-channel only' syndrome is that you're using a mono guitar cable from the G1X connected to a stereo 1/4" to 1/8" converter plug going into the pc's line in. Do not connect from a device's headphone out/line outputs into the mic in of the computer.
Post by: altec122 on August 12, 2010, 08:13:13 PM
Try nyo ikabit sa mic-in sir.
salamat sa idea pero hindi po ata ito recommended
Another explanation for the 'left-channel only' syndrome is that you're using a mono guitar cable from the G1X connected to a stereo 1/4" to 1/8" converter plug going into the pc's line in. Do not connect from a device's headphone out/line outputs into the mic in of the computer.
yes I'm using a mono guitar cable, if I get my hands on a stereo type guitar cable I'll test it right away.
Check the headphone output on the G1X by really inserting a headphone....
will do sir once I get my hands on a 1/8 to 1/4 converter
--
thanks for all your inputs, I will update my situation soon
Post by: Xelly on August 12, 2010, 09:01:19 PM
Check the headphone output on the G1X by really inserting a headphone. If you hear only the left channel, either the particular effect setting is mono and panned hard left, or the right channel is busted if all effect setting exhibit left channel operation only.Eto sir from the expert na!! :-D
Another explanation for the 'left-channel only' syndrome is that you're using a mono guitar cable from the G1X connected to a stereo 1/4" to 1/8" converter plug going into the pc's line in. Do not connect from a device's headphone out/line outputs into the mic in of the computer.
Post by: nhojie on August 19, 2010, 08:38:57 PM
Post by: inot1105 on August 26, 2010, 12:27:36 PM
First of all Thanks for the advices when I started out venturing into home recording. This forum really helped me a lot about the basics and all.
I'm a guitar-oriented recording homeboy.
As all of my time & effort were going well, so far, with recording & doing sample tracks with guitars & midi drums & bass.
Finally, the vocals.
It was not so easy as i thought it would be.
I'm having trouble, getting a steady vocal sound. Even though singing in the steady range with the mic.
Here's my vocal setup:
SM58 -> EMU0404(usb2.0) -> pc
I've back-read this thread to see if i missed anything. Mic-preamp maybe.
But, the EMU0404 has 2 L & R inputs with mic preamps (as indicated in its specs)
So now, since i have what it takes (or so i think), what could i be missing in my setup?
or what tweaking do i need, in order to have the good vocal take. Steady that is.
Steady meaning, all the sound are at the optimum level.
What I did to correct the irregularity of the vocal track, was to edit the waveform in audacity.
Still, i'm not so satisfied with the output.
any comments & suggestions would be helpful.
many thanks in advance to all.
BR & God bless
Post by: KitC on August 26, 2010, 04:03:15 PM
Another quality of a good singer is consistent volume. Moving closer or farther from the mic to maintain a consistent volume is usually the hallmark of a good singer.
Finally, we have compression to even out the peaks. This is a technique not easily learned. Sometimes, very light compression/limiting is applied during recording to catch and tame peaks, while more compression is applied during mixing.
Post by: inot1105 on August 27, 2010, 09:02:47 PM
'guess i'm not really a singer eh...hehehe.
Pop-filter - Noted.
salamats ulit.
br & God bless
Post by: dualdeath on September 11, 2010, 04:37:39 PM
well medyo matagal na rin ako naggigitara.. just for leisure.. ngayon naisipan ko na gusto ko irecord yung tinutugtog ko.. so eto, nagrresearch ako kung ano ba dapat ko gawin para maiconnect ko sa laptop ko yung guitar para marecord ko dun.. kasi pangit yung sound pag nirerecord ko sa built-in mic nung laptop.. then nagresearch ako.. pwede pala from guitar diretso sa mic(port) ng laptop using a cable.. pero magssuffer naman daw sa latency.. now i'm looking for the right hardware and software para magawa ko ito reducing latency.. so sana may makapagenlighten sakin.. kung pwede rin sana, yung best solution w/ cheaper expenses.. and btw i just plan on recording using my guitar.. nothing else..
edit: nakita ko mukhang ok yung line6 toneport gx.. wala nga lang ako makitang nagbebenta dito.. :|
kung mali man napagpostan ko.. please link me to the right topic to post my inquiry.. thank you po..
Post by: KitC on September 12, 2010, 03:58:43 PM
edit: nakita ko mukhang ok yung line6 toneport gx.. wala nga lang ako makitang nagbebenta dito.. :|
Just wait. These things have a way of popping up in the guitar or pro audio classifieds.
As an alternative, some M-audio interfaces also offer guitar input; JB also has the Mbox2 and Saffire interfaces which have instrument/guitar inputs. Yupangco offers Cakewalk/Roland interfaces that also have similar features.
Post by: dualdeath on September 12, 2010, 08:43:07 PM
Just wait. These things have a way of popping up in the guitar or pro audio classifieds.thank you po sir.. i'll look into those you suggested.. noon i was scouting for behringer ucg102 and stealthplug.. pero nagbasabasa ko and found out a a few cons about those including noise and latency.. kaya nung nakita ko yung line6 gx.. i wanted to get myself one, pod studio or toneport.. researching really does help.. gusto ko lang maconfirm na tama yung mga naiisip ko.. kaya nagpost ako dito.. i'm new to recording..
As an alternative, some M-audio interfaces also offer guitar input; JB also has the Mbox2 and Saffire interfaces which have instrument/guitar inputs. Yupangco offers Cakewalk/Roland interfaces that also have similar features.
thanks again.. :D
Post by: KitC on September 13, 2010, 08:51:20 AM
Post by: dualdeath on September 13, 2010, 09:22:49 AM
btw, I think yupanks also carries Line6... at least last time I looked.thank you sir.. medyo noob ako.. kaya di ko nagets yung yupanks.. website pala yun.. haha.. silly me.. mukhang guitar port nalang kukunin ko.. sana ok din yun..
Post by: KitC on September 13, 2010, 10:18:25 AM
http://www.yupangco.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_catalogue.tpl&product_id=727&category_id=57&manufacturer_id=8&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=53
Post by: dualdeath on September 14, 2010, 08:39:54 PM
Post by: KitC on September 15, 2010, 10:28:50 AM
Post by: morphine on September 23, 2010, 08:48:59 AM
im planning to get a multi w/ usb interface and not sure if its worth
the money.....should i buy a multi w/o usb interface and mic my 30watt amp
or go direct in?
what multi would you suggest?
done my research and im torn b/w the boss me25, digitech rp355 and zoom g2nu
thanks
Post by: KitC on September 23, 2010, 11:26:31 AM
There is a third option, and that is to do both. We sometimes do this if we like to keep our options open when it comes to guitar tone while at the same time preserving the performance at the time of recording. If there's one thing you don't like to miss, it's the perfect performance regardless of the tone since if you capture the clean tone, you can always re-amp later.
As for the multi, I guess you'll have to decide which one you like better in terms of sound.
Post by: Xelly on September 23, 2010, 03:32:02 PM
sir kit would it be better to mic an amp or to skip it in recording?Kung gusto ninyo ng masmura and masportable magmulti nalang kayo sir na may amp sim. Check nyo eto mga recordings ko using Line6 POD:
im planning to get a multi w/ usb interface and not sure if its worth
the money.....should i buy a multi w/o usb interface and mic my 30watt amp
or go direct in?
what multi would you suggest?
done my research and im torn b/w the boss me25, digitech rp355 and zoom g2nu
thanks
www.soundclick.com/xelly (http://www.soundclick.com/xelly)
Eto lang setup ko sir:
guitar >> line6POD >> laptop
:-D
Post by: morphine on September 24, 2010, 12:32:11 AM
Post by: Xelly on September 24, 2010, 06:08:48 PM
anung pod gamit mo bro?Nag-umpisa ako sa PodXTlive to PodXT the ngayon X3live sir. Solve na solve ako!! :-D
Post by: hellven on October 01, 2010, 01:17:49 PM
may nagsabe sakin adobe audition daw kaso wla akong makitang freedownload?? tnx
Post by: KitC on October 02, 2010, 01:50:04 PM
Some multifx come with software such as guitar tracks pro.
Post by: ptl161 on October 09, 2010, 02:57:59 PM
Post by: bahaw on October 19, 2010, 08:17:01 PM
http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Cakewalk-VStudio-100-Recording-Package-B?sku=583981
Post by: KitC on October 20, 2010, 09:20:44 AM
Post by: cky on November 01, 2010, 09:18:15 PM
hindi ko mapalabas na stereo yung input ko...it's not an issue of the panning effect of my pedals nor the jack that's plugged in to my interface or guitar..why? cos i've done it before with same setup only it was stereo...i remember i configured something in the "audio hardware setup" before that says 1S and 2S...now it's just 1S and the other one, 1M... :oops:
the weird thing was, may nagawa akong something kung saan lumipat naman yung pagiging 1-part stereo nya sa right...dati kasi nasa left then i'm just testing out some shiz dun sa audio hardware setup na yun...then baamm sound input comes in to the right which used to come in to the left channel of the stereo track... :|
i'm using adobe audition, by the way...hindi nako makarecord dahil nauubos oras at pasensya ko sa pagcconfigure...i know that my patience is long and strong but this is just getting on my nerves...i'd like to think that my excitement is a factor...so help me figure this out...cos im excited... :lol: thanks
Post by: KitC on November 02, 2010, 10:18:34 AM
Chances are, S=stereo and M=mono. Most semi pro gear use 1/4" inputs for their line in with maybe an XLR thrown in. I'm guessing that for stereo, you have to use 2 of the 1/4" inputs (or L/R RCA in some cases) that are assigned to 'channel 1'. The 1S/1M setting just configures the input channel for stereo or mono operation.
If things befuddle you at first, just step back and take a breather. It helps to break open the manual if the interface isn't as intuitive as it seems. (You should try the Emu interfaces... their patchmix can be daunting; almost a vertical learning curve.)
Post by: Jason on November 08, 2010, 08:35:29 AM
Post by: KitC on November 08, 2010, 08:55:49 AM
You can usually get a 1/8" to 1/8" stereo cable quite easily, just get a 1/8"-to-1/4" adapter so you can accommodate the G1X's line output.
Post by: Jason on November 08, 2010, 06:59:04 PM
@Jason - use the G1X's headphone/line out using a 1/4" to 1/8" stereo cable, and connect it to your laptop's LINE IN, not mic in, ok?whoah thanks sir for answering my queries. Unfortunately my netbook only accomodates 1 input (mic in) only.
You can usually get a 1/8" to 1/8" stereo cable quite easily, just get a 1/8"-to-1/4" adapter so you can accommodate the G1X's line output.
Post by: Xelly on November 08, 2010, 08:05:41 PM
whoah thanks sir for answering my queries. Unfortunately my netbook only accomodates 1 input (mic in) only.+1
Paano yun sir kung mic in lang? Balak sana magrecord ng mga simpleng tracks ng friend ko kaso mic-in lang meron yung laptop niya.
Post by: KitC on November 09, 2010, 09:18:34 AM
Paano yun sir kung mic in lang? Balak sana magrecord ng mga simpleng tracks ng friend ko kaso mic-in lang meron yung laptop niya.
Check in the audio control panel or mixer applet if the input is switchable between mic in and line in. Most newer mobos and laptops have configurable I/O or automatic sensing inputs.
Post by: Xelly on November 09, 2010, 07:55:02 PM
Check in the audio control panel or mixer applet if the input is switchable between mic in and line in. Most newer mobos and laptops have configurable I/O or automatic sensing inputs.Ah gets!!! Ok sir ayus!!! :-D
Post by: Xelly on November 10, 2010, 09:36:49 PM
Post by: KitC on November 11, 2010, 09:30:08 AM
Sir Kit ok lang ba na gumamit ng 7200rpm na SATA na external hardisk for recording?
Depends on the bus protocol you are using to pass data to the hard disk.
If you are using a USB2 enclosure, I don't recommend it, but the newer USB3.0 bus looks extremely promising. A very mature interface/enclosure is firewire, with firewire 800 giving you more track capability; firewire 400 can still hold it's own but I've read of some restrictions on number of tracks during recording. If the enclosure does eSATA, then it's like having the HD connected internally to the computer's pcie bus, which is very fast and excellent for recording.
Post by: Jason on November 12, 2010, 04:24:00 PM
Check in the audio control panel or mixer applet if the input is switchable between mic in and line in. Most newer mobos and laptops have configurable I/O or automatic sensing inputs.
galing ni sir kitC hindi lang pang recording pcng hardwares din :-)
Post by: rrmode1 on November 17, 2010, 10:58:47 AM
Mixer + Mic Preamp + Audio Interface --> A decent laptop for recording
Siyempre may monitors din sa equation.
Anyway, I'm looking at some of Behringer's mid level products for this project. Will that be okay? Thanks for any help!
:lol: :lol:
Post by: KitC on November 17, 2010, 11:10:48 AM
Each has his advantages and disadvantages. The former means having a lot of individual gear to power up along with the necessary cable interconnects, while the latter means only one piece of gear to lug around. The downside of the combined mixer/interface route is that if it goes down, then your recording setup is compromised.
What you should think about is how many inputs you will require then decide on the interface. Some audio interfaces now include mic preamps so that means one less piece of gear. Of course, the more inputs you require, the more expensive the interface.
One more thing... make sure your laptop (or pc) is up to the job. The requirements for audio are not as stringent for video, but you still need a relatively powerful laptop and sufficient RAM and HD space. Another thing is the amount of usb or firewire ports in the laptop. USB2 is the better choice for most interfaces, but some laptops don't have usb2 ports, so choose wisely. Also, don't forget that the DAW software determines what kind of computer you will use. No point in getting a windows based laptop if you intend to run Logic or Digital Performer on it.
Post by: rrmode1 on November 17, 2010, 11:36:27 AM
There are 2 possible ways you can go about this: one is to get individual parts such as a mixer (some models have preamps already) and a separate interface for flexibility; or you could get a mixer with a built in audio interface such as the mackie (or phonic) usb or firewire mixers.
Each has his advantages and disadvantages. The former means having a lot of individual gear to power up along with the necessary cable interconnects, while the latter means only one piece of gear to lug around. The downside of the combined mixer/interface route is that if it goes down, then your recording setup is compromised.
What you should think about is how many inputs you will require then decide on the interface. Some audio interfaces now include mic preamps so that means one less piece of gear. Of course, the more inputs you require, the more expensive the interface.
One more thing... make sure your laptop (or pc) is up to the job. The requirements for audio are not as stringent for video, but you still need a relatively powerful laptop and sufficient RAM and HD space. Another thing is the amount of usb or firewire ports in the laptop. USB2 is the better choice for most interfaces, but some laptops don't have usb2 ports, so choose wisely. Also, don't forget that the DAW software determines what kind of computer you will use. No point in getting a windows based laptop if you intend to run Logic or Digital Performer on it.
Thanks! Ok ba ang behringer? or at least, decent? :-)
Post by: KitC on November 17, 2010, 12:24:05 PM
Thanks! Ok ba ang behringer? or at least, decent? :-)
It's a mixed bag with Behringer. Sometimes they're great, sometimes they're lemons, often on the latter for most people. All I can say is... you get what you pay for.
Post by: plitipiw40315 on December 29, 2010, 09:50:46 AM
my question is, pano ko po macoconvert yung audio file format na output ng audiacity to other file format like mp3??thanks ulit.. :-D
Post by: KitC on January 02, 2011, 04:09:16 PM
Post by: plitipiw40315 on January 03, 2011, 08:46:53 AM
Audacity can write to wav. Check your recording/export settings.
ok ser salamat ulit!! :-D
Post by: peeves24 on January 04, 2011, 06:39:18 AM
my question is, pano ko po macoconvert yung audio file format na output ng audiacity to other file format like mp3??thanks ulit.. :-D
hanapin mo yung lame encoder binaries (dll lang yun) tapos copy sya sa audacity folder mo. magkakaron ka na ng option to export directly to mp3
Post by: KitC on January 04, 2011, 09:14:56 AM
hanapin mo yung lame encoder binaries (dll lang yun) tapos copy sya sa audacity folder mo. magkakaron ka na ng option to export directly to mp3
Good one, peeves! Haven't tried that myself. Then again, I use Sonar and Razorlame.
Post by: erniepaj on January 11, 2011, 09:04:50 PM
whoah thanks sir for answering my queries. Unfortunately my netbook only accomodates 1 input (mic in) only.
@jason, tried this myself, kaya yan kung me line-in ang soundcard. taasan mo lang yung settings mo sa G1x, tweak a patch to your liking then try hearing through a headset before recording
sabit lang talaga ang G1x pag narecord mo na kasi matalim masyado ang tunog lalo na pag direct in line, and malayo sa organic sound ng amp.
kung wla ka line in, i use the behringer UCA202 and it works.
Post by: erniepaj on January 11, 2011, 09:13:38 PM
Please help me understand how to make my Amplitube 3 work.
I have plugged in my guitar through USB interface Behringer UCA202, opened up Amplitube and still I am getting a clean tone. I tried tweaking the MIDI settings but to no avail.
Tried googling and finding resources through youtube but it seems noone can explain to me whats wrong.
Regards,
erniepaj
Post by: erniepaj on January 12, 2011, 04:44:15 AM
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c292/erniepaj/amplt.jpg)
Post by: KitC on January 12, 2011, 01:35:37 PM
Post by: erniepaj on January 12, 2011, 06:17:24 PM
You have to assign inputs from within asio4all. I think the relevant input should have a check mark or something - can't exactly remember since I have no need for asio4all at this time. Looking at the asio4all website, the active I/O are in blue. Clicking on the button should toggle an input or output on or off. Choose the UCA as one of the inputs. (Isn't the UCA a line input device? Plugging your guitar directly to it will give you a rather anemic tone.)
hi kitC thanks.
UCA has a USB connection to PC and two RCA ports I used to plug into a splitter that goes to the output of Zoom G1x.
I want to get rid of G1x so is it proper to replace a mixer on that part, where the axe is plugged.
i get a clean signal though when i plug my guitar to UCA202 then to USB port of my pc.
Post by: KitC on January 13, 2011, 10:08:12 AM
i get a clean signal though when i plug my guitar to UCA202 then to USB port of my pc.
Yes the signal is clean, but it is not optimzed for the proper impedance, which will often rob your tone of body as well as gain. Cranking up the volume often will lead to nasty feedback surprises where they aren't needed.
The best course of action is to use the G1x in bypass and connect it's line/headphone out to the UCA's RCA inputs. This will ensure proper impedance matching from guitar to UCA. You can also use an inexpensive preamp like those of the ART Studio series or Behri MIC200 to connect the guitar to the UCA.
Post by: erniepaj on January 13, 2011, 01:33:45 PM
Yes the signal is clean, but it is not optimzed for the proper impedance, which will often rob your tone of body as well as gain. Cranking up the volume often will lead to nasty feedback surprises where they aren't needed.
The best course of action is to use the G1x in bypass and connect it's line/headphone out to the UCA's RCA inputs. This will ensure proper impedance matching from guitar to UCA. You can also use an inexpensive preamp like those of the ART Studio series or Behri MIC200 to connect the guitar to the UCA.
thanks. will try bypass mode first. got an idea how much a behringer M IC200 will cost?
Post by: erniepaj on January 15, 2011, 08:04:23 AM
thanks. will try bypass mode first. got an idea how much a behringer M IC200 will cost?
hi kitC, i tried from axe to amp direct to direct line-in... i sampled a recording, and i want to get rid of some noise. can i ask you to analyze how to get rid of the the noise? it is mostly scratches i hear i dunno if those are the connecting cables.
never mind the playing... im lousy at it....
http://www.supload.com/listen?s=aZjPWy
thanks.
Post by: KitC on January 17, 2011, 09:43:21 AM
Post by: erniepaj on January 17, 2011, 12:08:30 PM
I hear amp noise which could be due to your single coil pups located near a source of electrical noise such as a flourescent lamp or your monitor, if it's a CRT. If using a CRT, try turning it off during recording. Also try to rotate 90 degrees from your present recording position and see if that helps.
could be the small lamp in front of me, mate. its LCD monitor so i doubt its the screen. thanks - will try that though.
Post by: ogagka0606 on January 26, 2011, 12:55:50 AM
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Post by: deathrose23 on January 27, 2011, 12:26:00 PM
laptop, gamit ko behringer UCG102. If sa ucg102 ko na lang po ipuplug yun speaker mas mababawasan po
ba un delay tsaka mgagamit ko yun mga built-in fx nun record software ko? Mixcraft po gamit ko software. tnx.. :-D
eto po set-up ko:
(http://www.filejumbo.com/Download/909A8D59C370211A)
http://img89.imageshack.us/i/ucg102.jpg/
Post by: KitC on January 27, 2011, 04:56:03 PM
Post by: vinz on February 08, 2011, 12:47:22 PM
im trying to record some stuff at home, one problem is pag nagrerecord ako nag jajump jump yung playback parang sirang CD hehe (which is the first recorded audio) tapos pag nagrecord na ko ng bagong audio hindi na sila pag sabay ko plinay-back? is this has something to do with latency? im using acoustica btw for home use lang. core3 nga pala pc ko tapos onboard audio lang. yung gamit ko nga pala is a Zoom B2.1u tapos sa USB ang out at playback ko.
Post by: KitC on February 08, 2011, 02:06:04 PM
Post by: vinz on February 09, 2011, 02:06:35 PM
vinz, ease back on the latency settings in the B2's control panel until you get good playback. what is your OS, btw?
copy sir, btw Win 7 ang OS ko. :-)
Post by: enitnelav on February 18, 2011, 09:29:42 PM
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Post by: KitC on March 14, 2011, 04:20:34 PM
anyone here know where to buy a pci midi port? and how much?
That would be the old mpu-401 interface. Better to get a usb midi interface.
Post by: karlwilson on March 14, 2011, 04:27:59 PM
Post by: KitC on March 15, 2011, 08:09:05 AM
i've been planning of having a recording gears on my studio..this thread would really help a lot. :-D
This, and the other stickie about "What Do You Want To Learn About Recording" (http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,20049.0.html).
Post by: markezekiel on March 16, 2011, 02:14:13 PM
im using Audacity.
gusto ko lng po malaman ung mga settings na dapat i tweak sa pc ko para makapag record na ko using usb connection. i mean the levels, dB and the settings...
hoping for your possitive reply sir...
thanks.
more power philmusic!
Post by: KitC on March 18, 2011, 09:18:38 AM
gusto ko lng po malaman ung mga settings na dapat i tweak sa pc ko para makapag record na ko using usb connection. i mean the levels, dB and the settings...
I can't give you settings on levels because I don't know enough about your recording chain.
What YOU should do is this...
Set things up so that you are monitoring your input signal. It does mean that you are hearing what you are physically recording. It will require that a) the GT10 has an audio 'return' from the computer so that you can hear the levels going into audacity, or... failing that, you can hear a realtime output from another soundcard.
I'm not familiar with the GT10 but I expect some routing difficulties trying to do a realtime monitor from the computer/software output. To do that, you will have to set audacity so that the GT10 is the input and output audio device. If you can monitor your playing while recording, without hearing ANY latency, then you can properly record. This is VASTLY different from hearing the GT10's direct output since you would want to determine if the signal is distorting before going into the computer, which is something you would want to avoid.
Supposing you have a proper monitoring setup, the rule of thumb is to get the loudest possible signal into your computer without distorting the input converters or ADC, as we like to call it. Try to do a run through of your recording and listen to the loudest portions. Distorting the input almost sounds like bad transistor distortion. If you do hear distortion, before the next take, reduce your input levels by a few dB, taking note of the loudest part of the song. Play that part while adjusting levels until the distortion goes away. Once that is done, record to your heart's content.
Post by: jinlucero on March 18, 2011, 11:27:18 PM
Post by: KitC on March 19, 2011, 10:11:34 AM
sir ano po ba ung the best na soundcard para sa sonar cakewalk? nagbabalak po kasi ako bumili ng desktop. thanks. :mrgreen:
Any soundcard will work with Sonar, even the built-in audio in your computer. The caveat with built-in, however, is that it is often prone to high latencies even when using asio4all. Your best best would be to get a separate soundcard, either internal pci/pcie or a usb/firewire audio interface. I used to start out with soundblasters but moved on to higher performance cards when my ears noticed that the 'blasters were... "noisy".
You can try the various M-audio offerings at JB; Yupangco no carries Roland audio interfaces that are matched well with Sonar.
Post by: jinlucero on March 22, 2011, 01:07:38 PM
Any soundcard will work with Sonar, even the built-in audio in your computer. The caveat with built-in, however, is that it is often prone to high latencies even when using asio4all. Your best best would be to get a separate soundcard, either internal pci/pcie or a usb/firewire audio interface. I used to start out with soundblasters but moved on to higher performance cards when my ears noticed that the 'blasters were... "noisy".
You can try the various M-audio offerings at JB; Yupangco no carries Roland audio interfaces that are matched well with Sonar.
Thank you sir :mrgreen:
Post by: pualux on March 23, 2011, 02:47:46 AM
baguhan lang ako sa recording stuff and so far sa mga nakikita ko m-audio fast track yung maganda pero i could be wrong since noob ako dito hehe
I'm running a laptop lang na windows 7 32bit, it's capable of playing games so yung ram and processing power ins't really an issue I guess...
yung gusto ko po kasi mangyari direct guitar recording lang then gamit ng modelling software sa computer for effects/amps.....I've read na kailangan ng recording software na pwede gumamit ng vst plugins like guitar rig ? tama ba? anyway may cost efficient way ba kayo marerecommend? nakita ko din kasi yung pod studio stuff pero parang outdated na yata? tsaka wala na'ko makitang ganun sa yamaha/PP
thanks boss!
Post by: KitC on March 23, 2011, 10:08:08 AM
nakita ko din kasi yung pod studio stuff pero parang outdated na yata? tsaka wala na'ko makitang ganun sa yamaha/PP
Inquire with yupanks about their Line6 Pod usb interfaces esp. if guitar recording is all you are interested in. You might want to look at the Line6 interfaces that include mic preamps (Pod X3) should you decide to mic up an amp in the future (just make sure you have understanding family members and neighbors).
I'm not sure if the Pod includes recording software, but try considering Reaper. At $69, it's very inexpensive plus you get a full featured DAW.
Post by: rrmode1 on March 26, 2011, 07:20:39 AM
Post by: KitC on March 26, 2011, 10:49:14 AM
I have a roland vs-100. What more do I need to record a full 4-piece band? :lol:
The VS100 only has 2 mic preamps so...
what more will you need? off the top of my head, you will require:
2 to 4 more mic preamps (assuming a 4 mic drum setup plus 2 mics for lead and backup vox), or OCTACAPTURE as Roland tempts you with
2 to 6 mics and cables to go with those mics and preamps
DI boxes for guitars plus associated cabling (XLR/TRS)
a slew of TR/TRS cables
heaphones for everyone and a headphone distribution amp
and finally, a good room to record in.
Post by: Xelly on April 07, 2011, 12:52:21 AM
Post by: cky on April 07, 2011, 10:14:35 PM
http://soundcloud.com/ckyanacky/what-the-hiss
(listen to it using earphones/headphones)
pag nakadirecta ako wala naman ganyan...pag nagrerecord or pinapakinggan ko yung ginagawa ko wala naman ganyan...pag nakarecord na at nagplayback, ayan ang resulta...
power supply? grounding? patch/guitar/amp cables? faulty pedals? :? :|
baka naencounter nyo na yang ganyang tunog dati, patulong naman... :oops:
Post by: powghi on May 05, 2011, 05:48:18 AM
Specs:
Athlon II x2 250
gigabyte 780g
2gb ddr2 800
hd4670
win7
but then i get a delayed sound using my onboard sound card in mixcraft 5.2 and amplitube 3
balak ko po sana i dispose na lang yung videocard para makabili ng soundcard. other than that ano pa po bang hardware o software needed for home recordin? tsaka whats best soundcard for my pc using mixcraft and amplitube TIA!
Post by: KitC on May 05, 2011, 08:33:47 AM
hindi ko madetermine kung san galing yung hiss na to...
I recall answering this post... strange.
Sounds like you're using single coil pups. Either change the orientation of your playing or check your cables. Are you using a CRT?
Post by: cky on May 05, 2011, 09:04:50 AM
I recall answering this post... strange.
Sounds like you're using single coil pups. Either change the orientation of your playing or check your cables. Are you using a CRT?
baka paulit-ulit lang kasi yung tanong ko :lol: i'm sorry, seems like everyday a different issue pops out of the box... :-D
sorry sir, what's a CRT? sorry noob :-)
i'm using a humbucker equipped hollowbody (bridge pickup, rolled all the way up, amp eq between 1-2 o'clock bass, treble, mid, mic'd with an "SM57 beta"), but i don't think the problem's from the guitar anyway; as i said, kasi pag directa wala naman hiss...
cables are somehow fine. checked them one by one (even the patch cables) guitar>interface, guitar>amp, guitar>effects>amp, guitar>effects>board...lumalabas yung ingay pag dumaan na ako sa pedals and/or amp... :|
i suspect therefore that the problem lies in the grounding of the house...pero hindi ko alam solusyonan... :| yep i already backread, pero puro semento kasi yung paligid ko kaya hindi ko din matusukan ng grounding rod or something.... :oops:
Post by: KitC on May 05, 2011, 03:36:58 PM
The noise I'm hearing is definitely electrical. Aside from the CRT, look for other sources such as fluorescent lights, transformers and proximity to TVs. If your audio cables are running parallel with electrical wires, try to separate them by 1 meter and if ever they must cross, always do at a 90 degree angle to each other.
With your cables, check the jacks... they may be a bit dirty. Try cleaning them with alcohol or lighter fluid.
Post by: cky on May 05, 2011, 07:08:58 PM
CRT - Cathode Ray Tube; the older type of monitors that aren't LCD.
The noise I'm hearing is definitely electrical. Aside from the CRT, look for other sources such as fluorescent lights, transformers and proximity to TVs. If your audio cables are running parallel with electrical wires, try to separate them by 1 meter and if ever they must cross, always do at a 90 degree angle to each other.
With your cables, check the jacks... they may be a bit dirty. Try cleaning them with alcohol or lighter fluid.
will do sir, thanks!...
by the way, i'm using a laptop to record..oldskool laptop but of course it's lcd...hehe
so what you are trying to say sir is that, basically, all electrical devices, especially those plugged in the same outlet as my amp/board are the culprits, in addition to the crossed wires and all that stuff....
well isang malaking problema ko e maliit lang apartment ko and i only have one outlet with 2 female plugs, one is unused and the other is plugged with a 5-outlet switchable extension (fused)...the extension is loaded with another extension cord, electronic thing that wards of rats, amp, and 2 are free...so yep there's a big possibility that any of those is causing the unwanted noise in the output...i'll see what i can do :-D
so goodluck nalang sakin...hehe
Post by: KitC on May 06, 2011, 08:20:56 AM
Post by: cky on May 06, 2011, 05:11:59 PM
Since you're using a laptop, try recording on batteries only. Laptop power supplies (the power bricks) are notoriously noisy electrical-wise.
might just try using another laptop...my primitive machine won't actually work without the powersupply.. :-D
anyway thanks again sir...will keep you posted if ever there's a development... :-)
Post by: Xelly on May 08, 2011, 12:15:37 AM
Since you're using a laptop, try recording on batteries only. Laptop power supplies (the power bricks) are notoriously noisy electrical-wise.Sir what do you mean by "power bricks"?
Post by: KitC on May 09, 2011, 10:20:37 AM
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Post by: ston3d_j on May 23, 2011, 01:54:57 AM
I am currently setting up a small home recording studio. Not high end ones but some sort of making my own songs. i have an ext m-audio fast track pro and i like the sound of my guitar coming off my amplifier. However, my problem is my m-audio nova is not picking up that chunk/fat guitar sound coming off my amp thru the condenser microphone. same thing goes when i record my bass tracks. is a condenser microphone good enough to pick up the sound or a dynamic microphone is much better? i've read reviews that m-audio nova works best for vocals, percussions and acoustic guitar. darn, this home recording stuff is pretty pricey! haha! anyways, i hope you could help me out on this one.
Thanks!
Post by: KitC on May 23, 2011, 08:16:51 AM
Sometimes that fat guitar sound is obtained by double tracking. I've heard of a particular technique where the upper 3 strings were first recorded followed by the lower 3 strings on another track. Each track was then eq'd to taste.
Post by: Xelly on May 23, 2011, 11:13:28 AM
You should be able to capture sufficient bass frequencies since the nova has a relatively larger diaphragm than most mics. It sometimes is a matter of placement. You might have to move the mic around until you hit the sweet spot.Nice!!! Ok na ok yung technique na yan lalu na kung acoustic lang. Like Vocals and acoustic guitar lang yung isang song. :-D
Sometimes that fat guitar sound is obtained by double tracking. I've heard of a particular technique where the upper 3 strings were first recorded followed by the lower 3 strings on another track. Each track was then eq'd to taste.
Post by: 123kidd on May 23, 2011, 11:53:56 AM
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Device Set up http://www.flickr.com/photos/63212474@N03/5753863631/
Vst Connections http://www.flickr.com/photos/63212474@N03/5753863791/
Thanks po ullit ng madami sir, God bless you po
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Post by: jake z on May 27, 2011, 04:23:31 PM
i have a sonar 8 producer edition installed to a win XP desktop. but once i run the program my pc crashes. I am planning to equip it with the Creative Sound Blaster 5.1 VX PCI Card and a PV.6 mixer so that i can control it.. Will the new sound card get rid of the issue? thanks
Post by: skin on May 27, 2011, 04:33:04 PM
hi guys, need you help.
i have a sonar 8 producer edition installed to a win XP desktop. but once i run the program my pc crashes. I am planning to equip it with the Creative Sound Blaster 5.1 VX PCI Card and a PV.6 mixer so that i can control it.. Will the new sound card get rid of the issue? thanks
I doubt if it's an issue on the soundcard. We'll probably need more details so we can isolate the problem.
Are you using XP 64 bit?
Post by: jake z on May 27, 2011, 08:37:52 PM
Post by: KitC on May 28, 2011, 12:15:48 PM
hi guys, need you help.
i have a sonar 8 producer edition installed to a win XP desktop. but once i run the program my pc crashes
This is usually a driver problem often related to your onboard sound. First try updating your audio drivers. Next try asio4all. If that doesn't work, then a new soundcard is in order.
While I've used blasters early on, I can tell you that getting a better audio card would mean less issues with recording. Not to say that blasters aren't capable since most early DAW software were designed for them during the dawn of the industry, it would be better if you invest in something more suited to recording, which includes drivers capable of low latencies.
Post by: jazzer182001 on May 29, 2011, 08:59:17 AM
thanks sir kit 2 ur wonderful n gracious tips, so if i decide to have protools as my software, i compulsary upgrade my processor from P4 to Core Duo? (base on what i read sa forum na ito, whewww....!! ang haba nga eh way back 2006..enjoy naman) and what soundcard do you prefer for PT.
wanna set up home recording studio? pag me budget ka 20 k pwede na! oll u need at least p4 computer dual monitor. marami mabibili sa quiapo 6k lng, bili ka avi usb producers microphone pro with pro tools package..6k lng taz bili ka beringer pro headphone 6 k din! ung 2k magcheck in ka sa may sound proof room na hotel ayus na ang recording project sa album mo! wag kau niwala sa maraming set up set up na yan! nasa tenga at creativity lang yan! mas maganda pa latest tech enhanced audio quality! un na un! musical arrange ment ba kelangan u? download u banbd in a box dun u gawin ang arrangent then revoice it with yamaha midi enhancer. tapos na. la kang binayaran
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Post by: pualux on June 07, 2011, 02:48:03 AM
Post by: KitC on June 07, 2011, 09:32:54 AM
pahelp naman anu ba kailangan ko kse gusto ko magrecord ng vocals at may sasabayan lang akong minus 1 anu ba kailangan ko sa set up na to for recording?
Mixer is only part of the overall requirements. What you need depends on what you want to record. If it's only yourself, you can get by with a simple interface and no mixer. If you have several instruments that you want to record, then you can use an interface plus mixer or one of those firewire mixers (provided your pc has firewire). If recording a full band, then the equipment list get substantially more expensive.
do you think it would be worth the money if I get a macbook pro for audio recording?
Generally speaking, you can't go very wrong when using a mac, unless your DAW is pc only.
Post by: pualux on June 07, 2011, 10:52:26 AM
Generally speaking, you can't go very wrong when using a mac, unless your DAW is pc only.
so if ever I get through with it, what interface and DAW should I use?
Post by: skin on June 07, 2011, 11:34:37 AM
do you think it would be worth the money if I get a macbook pro for audio recording?
If you have the money go for Macbook pro.
Nasa preference pa rin iyan. You still won't go wrong with Windows based laptops. Also it's more affordable.
Post by: KitC on June 07, 2011, 11:44:37 AM
so if ever I get through with it, what interface and DAW should I use?
Macs usually have garageband if you get the complete iLife option I think, but Logic is a far better DAW for Macs, IMO. It IS expensive to get the full Logic install, you might want to try Logic express but at 10k or something, I would rather save up for the full Logic.
An alternative is to get Pro Tools. The newest version is native, which means you can use any hardware with PT. For audio, PT is a battle-tested solution. For composing, Logic is the better choice on the mac platform.
You still won't go wrong with Windows based laptops. Also it's more affordable.
Agreed. But the better way to approach this is to "let the software decide what platform you will use".
Obviously, if your main DAW of choice is Logic, then you have no choice but to go mac. But if you use Cubase/Nuendo, Sonar, Live, etc., going windows is just as good, and you may even get a machine that is faster. For me, mac pricing can be ridiculous at times, but what you really pay for is platform stability... it just works. Personally, I prefer the tweakability of the windows platform.
Post by: IamChainess on June 07, 2011, 12:11:43 PM
nagpaplano kasi ako mag setup ng home recording para sa acoustic. questions lang po:
1. Pwede bang guitar>effects>amp>laptop>software? hindi ba bibigay ang laptop ko?
2. What mic can you recommend for the voice recording?
3. What mic can you recommend for the drumbox/cajun recording? or pwedeng software po na magccreate ng cajun sound.
4. badly needed po ba ang mixer? kahit yung simple na mixer.
Yun lang po para sa noob na katulad ko. salamat :-D
Post by: skin on June 07, 2011, 12:22:47 PM
Mga Sir, hihingi lang po ng advice/recommendations. i'm just a newbie in home recording
nagpaplano kasi ako mag setup ng home recording para sa acoustic. questions lang po:
1. Pwede bang guitar>effects>amp>laptop>software? hindi ba bibigay ang laptop ko?
Amp should be mic'd. Kung bibigay would depend on your laptop specs.
2. What mic can you recommend for the voice recording?
Kung di treated yung room, Shure SM57/58.
3. What mic can you recommend for the drumbox/cajun recording? or pwedeng software po na magccreate ng cajun sound.
SM57/58. Puede software mag create ng drum/cajun sounds.
4. badly needed po ba ang mixer? kahit yung simple na mixer.
Puedeng wala.
Yun lang po para sa noob na katulad ko. salamat :-D
Post by: Xelly on June 07, 2011, 12:56:30 PM
1. Pwede bang guitar>effects>amp>laptop>software? hindi ba bibigay ang laptop ko?Masklaro siguro kung ganito bro: guitar>>effects>>amp>>mic>>audio interface>>laptop>>software(DAW). Hindi bibigay laptop mo sir kahit Pentium4 pa yung model niyan basta may "solve" ka na audio interface like Line6 Ux1 or M-audio products.
2. What mic can you recommend for the voice recording?Shure SM58 solve!! Mura, matibay, malinamnam tunog!! :-D
3. What mic can you recommend for the drumbox/cajun recording? or pwedeng software po na magccreate ng cajun sound.SM57 naman!! Hehe!! Tapos masOk kung lalagyan mo ng kick mic yung sa butas for low frequencies tapos SM57 dun sa tap. :-D
Try mo FruityLoops for drumsounds software. :-)
4. badly needed po ba ang mixer? kahit yung simple na mixer.In my experience bro hindi ako gumagamit ng mixer. Depende sa irerecord mo. Kung magrerecord ka ng cajun tapos dalawang mics gagamitin mo, masOK kung may mixer ka. :-D
Post by: Xelly on June 08, 2011, 08:36:23 PM
Post by: KitC on June 09, 2011, 10:36:21 AM
Post by: skin on June 09, 2011, 10:37:43 AM
Hehe.
Post by: IamChainess on June 09, 2011, 01:24:27 PM
Masklaro siguro kung ganito bro: guitar>>effects>>amp>>mic>>audio interface>>laptop>>software(DAW). Hindi bibigay laptop mo sir kahit Pentium4 pa yung model niyan basta may "solve" ka na audio interface like Line6 Ux1 or M-audio products.
Sir pwede po pa suggest ng ok na audio interface pero swak sa budget :-D salamat po
Post by: skin on June 09, 2011, 01:33:12 PM
Sir pwede po pa suggest ng ok na audio interface pero swak sa budget :-D salamat po
Magkano budget mo?
Post by: KitC on June 09, 2011, 01:36:47 PM
Sir pwede po pa suggest ng ok na audio interface pero swak sa budget :-D salamat po
magkano budget? kung may 8k ka, pasok ka ata sa avid promo ng JB.
Post by: Xelly on June 09, 2011, 04:34:50 PM
4gb ddr3
500gb Sata III @ 7200rpm
18.5' LCD
Win7 Ultimate 64-bit
for 17k
Ayus na kaya perfomance niyan mga sir?
Tsaka mura na ba yan sa presyo niya? :-D
Post by: skin on June 09, 2011, 05:01:58 PM
Post by: IamChainess on June 10, 2011, 08:04:16 AM
Magkano budget mo?
8-10k sana sir. wala pa din kasi ako masyadong idea sa pagpili sa mga audio interface.
Post by: skin on June 10, 2011, 08:55:35 AM
8-10k sana sir. wala pa din kasi ako masyadong idea sa pagpili sa mga audio interface.
Pasok na yan sa M-Audio Fast Track. Meron sa JB Music.
Post by: IamChainess on June 10, 2011, 12:19:44 PM
Pasok na yan sa M-Audio Fast Track. Meron sa JB Music.
salamat sir =D
Post by: pualux on June 12, 2011, 12:59:59 AM
thanks for the info,
I'll put your opinions to mind...
Post by: Xelly on June 13, 2011, 03:07:39 PM
Post by: skin on June 13, 2011, 03:16:00 PM
If you're going to use a software that's designed for 64 bit, you need an OS that is 64 bit. Most 32 bit software would run on 64 bit OS.
Post by: KitC on June 13, 2011, 03:49:04 PM
Sir Kit ano pang ibang disadvantage ng Win7 32bit maliban sa 2.75gb lang ang kaya nitong basahing ram? Kailangan ba talaga 64bit iinstall kong os?
Unless you need access to greater than 4 gigs of ram, there isn't much benefit for most users. Video processing, however, is an exception.
Most 32 bit software would run on 64 bit OS.
There are cases where some software will NOT run in 64-bit OS, even when XP compatibility mode is on, although I have yet to use XP virtual machine on my system. Note that not all cpus support XP virtual machine. Some software will install but fail to run, while others won't install at all. Rule of thumb is that software that are 3 or more years old will not run in a 64-bit OS, unless they have a specific 64-bit version.
Post by: Xelly on June 14, 2011, 03:16:34 PM
Unless you need access to greater than 4 gigs of ram, there isn't much benefit for most users. Video processing, however, is an exception.Sir Kit ang nababasa lang na ram ng 64-bit na Win7 OS is 3.75gb tama ba? Paano yung mga PC na may 8gb ram?
Post by: skin on June 14, 2011, 03:31:44 PM
Post by: KitC on June 14, 2011, 04:09:49 PM
Sir Kit ang nababasa lang na ram ng 64-bit na Win7 OS is 3.75gb tama ba? Paano yung mga PC na may 8gb ram?
64-bit OS can read up to 128 Gb of ram so 8 gigs is a piece of cake. Gerard's PC, for ex., has 12 gigs of ram which we plan to bump up to 24 gigs, which is the mobo limitation, btw, and not due to the OS.
32-bit OS can read up 3 gigs in a 4Gb setup, but usually defaults to 2 gigs in XP, unless you invoke the /3Gb switch. In this case, you install 4 gigs but the computer will only 'see' 3.2 gigs with the rest being reserved by the system. This IS an OS limitation in this case. Not sure how 32-bit Win7 behaves but I like to think that there's no need for the /3Gb switch.
Post by: Xelly on June 14, 2011, 04:09:49 PM
^You mean 32 bit.64-bit sir. Yung nag-install ako ng 32-bit sa ang nakalagay sa ram is "4.00 GB (2.75 GB usable)" tapos yung nag-install ako ng 64-bit ang lumabas is "4.00 GB (3.75GB usable)". Hanggang 3.75 GB lang ba talaga kaya niya basahin o dahil hanggang 4 GB lang yung ram ko?
Post by: 11aalleenn11 on June 15, 2011, 08:58:15 PM
I'm asking for help from all the good people here..
I bought a M-Audio Producer USB Microphone and recorded using my laptop. But for some reason, there is always a "hissing" or "static" sound when we record. Here is a sample that I recorded as far as I could from the laptop...
http://soundcloud.com/joezerhuang/what-is-that-1/s-MzXO1
If you turn up the volume, you can hear the problem... Mind you that the engine of our neighbors can be heard but still the hissing is there.
Here is an actual recording:
MALE:
I've been reading everything that I can to solve this issue but still, no luck...
Here are the specs of my laptop:
MS Windows 7 Ultimate 32-bit
Intel Core i3 330M @ 2.13GHz
Ram 2.0GB Single-Channel DDR3 @ 532MHz
Motherboard CLEVO Co. E412X (CPU 1)
VIA High Definition Audio
Please help!
Post by: 11aalleenn11 on June 15, 2011, 09:06:47 PM
Another question:
What should I do if I want to record both Mic and Guitar at the same time? I'm not going to use some sophisticated effects so the clean and slightly eq'd sound is all I need. Do you think that zoom g2.1u is all I need?
What device should I buy so that I can use the USB Mic together with the Electric guitar and record at the same time?
THANKS!
Post by: skin on June 15, 2011, 11:59:55 PM
By the way I'm using Windows Movie Maker and FL-Studio.
Another question:
What should I do if I want to record both Mic and Guitar at the same time? I'm not going to use some sophisticated effects so the clean and slightly eq'd sound is all I need. Do you think that zoom g2.1u is all I need?
What device should I buy so that I can use the USB Mic together with the Electric guitar and record at the same time?
THANKS!
Use asio4all so you can use the usb mic and zoom g2.1u simultaneously.
Post by: samuelfianza on June 16, 2011, 11:24:36 AM
planning to buy kasi eh
Post by: KitC on June 16, 2011, 11:36:20 AM
64-bit sir. Yung nag-install ako ng 32-bit sa ang nakalagay sa ram is "4.00 GB (2.75 GB usable)" tapos yung nag-install ako ng 64-bit ang lumabas is "4.00 GB (3.75GB usable)". Hanggang 3.75 GB lang ba talaga kaya niya basahin o dahil hanggang 4 GB lang yung ram ko?
That's because a certain portion of your installed ram is always reserved by the system. In this case, the 64-bit version utilizes more ram for your apps compared to 32-bit. In 32-bit XP for ex., 2.75 gb is about the max you can access without activating the PAE and /3GB switches (I don't think this applies to Win7 32-bit but I never did try it out).
Post by: Xelly on June 16, 2011, 11:49:00 AM
That's because a certain portion of your installed ram is always reserved by the system. In this case, the 64-bit version utilizes more ram for your apps compared to 32-bit. In 32-bit XP for ex., 2.75 gb is about the max you can access without activating the PAE and /3GB switches (I don't think this applies to Win7 32-bit but I never did try it out).So kung mag-upgrade ako to 6gb ram mga almost 6gb lang mababasa na ram ng Win7 64bit sir tama ba?
Post by: 11aalleenn11 on June 16, 2011, 12:33:23 PM
Post by: skin on June 16, 2011, 01:02:27 PM
Pwede bang gamitin 2 usb mics at the same time? separate track each.
planning to buy kasi eh
Puede. Asio4all drivers kailangan mo to use both.
Post by: KitC on June 18, 2011, 12:16:22 PM
So kung mag-upgrade ako to 6gb ram mga almost 6gb lang mababasa na ram ng Win7 64bit sir tama ba?
You can expect 1 gig to be reserved by the system.
Post by: KitC on June 18, 2011, 12:38:36 PM
Pwede bang gamitin 2 usb mics at the same time? separate track each.
planning to buy kasi eh
It would be much better if you buy a single usb interface with 2 mic preamps and just add the mics to that. While you can use asio4all, remember that it adds it's own latency. One more thing, monitoring of separate usb mic streams is a problem, asio4all or not. Monitoring would be much simpler, and less stressful on your system if you just have one usb device in your system. Remember that usb devices typically send any return audio back to the originating device.
Asio4all is merely a wrapper that combines multiple WDM devices so that it appears as a single asio device. This is useful for DAW programs that use asio as their driver protocol, such as Cubase/Nuendo, Sonar, Live, Audition, etc. Where a DAW program uses WDM, there is no need for asio4all esp. if your audio devices have WDM drivers. WDM allows you to use multiple audio devices but at the sake of sync problems since each digital device each have their own clocks/crystals which provide the basis for their sample rates. Naturally, each device will have slight variances to their clocks unless they are synced digitally. Multiple usb devices are bound to have this problem since most of them do not have a way to sync their clocks unless they have some sort of digital input for syncing... most usb mics DO NOT have this.
One more thing, asio4all was originally developed so that onboard audio in most motherboards and laptops will appear as asio to DAW programs since practically all mobos and laptops DO NOT come with asio drivers. The developer lamented that fact that he could not use his inexpensive laptop with his copy of Cubase so he developed asio4all so he could wrap the laptop's WDM drivers in an asio shell, fooling Cubase to believe there was an asio device in the system. Naturally, there is a slight overhead involved because of the wrapper. Add to that the built-in latency of the laptop's WDM drivers then you have a system which does not truly report to you your overall system latency.
Personally, I would rather that I get a single audio device with bulletproof asio drivers since asio addresses your audio on the hardware level, unlike asio4all which is software. Asio drivers also report your true input/output latency more accurately than asio4all making for less ambiguity in compensating for overall system latency.
Post by: Xelly on June 18, 2011, 05:49:21 PM
You can expect 1 gig to be reserved by the system.Ah ok sir salamat!! :-D
Post by: janryl0016 on July 10, 2011, 05:06:54 AM
sir puwede pahelp...
is it possible na tumunog yung guitar/bass connected to pc ??
i mean i plug sa mic input and then use a headset?.. :? thanks.....
Post by: skin on July 10, 2011, 10:27:16 AM
sir puwede pahelp...
is it possible na tumunog yung guitar/bass connected to pc ??
i mean i plug sa mic input and then use a headset?.. :? thanks.....
It will. Set mo sa low ang mic input. But not recommended for recording.
Post by: janryl0016 on July 10, 2011, 03:10:02 PM
not recommended for recording? bakit po?
i've seen a lot of videos on youtube. they uses it nmn po...
Post by: skin on July 10, 2011, 05:12:48 PM
not recommended for recording? bakit po?
i've seen a lot of videos on youtube. they uses it nmn po...
Yup they use it. Sounds really bad.
Post by: incubus_boy08 on July 22, 2011, 10:13:23 PM
1.)Ano po magandang monitor speaker sa budget kong 10k below. I can stretch to 15k if the advantages of adding 5k to my budget will give me a more quality set of monitor speakers..Oks ba yung KRK Rokit Gen2? Oks kasi sa price at feedback sa mga sites...
2.) Audio interface na marerecomend nyo ( I have no idea about pricing on this one. Oks ba yung UCA-200 or 202). I would like to connect a mixer papunta sa PC ko via USB or RCA. Kung USB may built-in USB yung mixer (like yung Behringer Xenyx X series), do I still need audio interface or rekta na sa USB port sa mobo?
3.)Kailangan ko ba talaga ng soundcard? Please recommend me one or oks na ako kahit yung built-in sa motherboard ko? I'm planning to upgrade my board to 990FX series oks na ba built-in sound nun?
Thanks!
Post by: Xelly on July 23, 2011, 08:23:45 AM
Hi fellow Philmusicians, please help me. Any suggestion would help. Planning to make my gaming rig to recording rig also. Please help me on these questions:Ok na yung KRK bro basta minimum of 5" yung woofer para mamonitor mo rin yung low frequencies
1.)Ano po magandang monitor speaker sa budget kong 10k below. I can stretch to 15k if the advantages of adding 5k to my budget will give me a more quality set of monitor speakers..Oks ba yung KRK Rokit Gen2? Oks kasi sa price at feedback sa mga sites...
2.) Audio interface na marerecomend nyo ( I have no idea about pricing on this one. Oks ba yung UCA-200 or 202). I would like to connect a mixer papunta sa PC ko via USB or RCA. Kung USB may built-in USB yung mixer (like yung Behringer Xenyx X series), do I still need audio interface or rekta na sa USB port sa mobo?Personal LIKE ko yung Line6 UX2. Mura na yung binebenta sa classifieds for 8.5k bro. Pero solve na rin yung mga M-audio. Meron ata sa classifieds 4.5k pinakamura. Yung UCA kailangan mo pa ng mixer.
3.)Kailangan ko ba talaga ng soundcard? Please recommend me one or oks na ako kahit yung built-in sa motherboard ko? I'm planning to upgrade my board to 990FX series oks na ba built-in sound nun?Yung audio interface mo bro yun na rin ang soundcard mo. About sa onboard soundcard ng motherboard, wag ka nang umasa dun.
Post by: incubus_boy08 on July 25, 2011, 05:53:52 PM
Ano specs ng gaming rig ninyo sir? Usually kapag gaming rig ok na yan for recording. Yung nag-upgrade ako ng PC gaming rig din kinuha ko pero hindi ko na sinama yung videocard kasi hindi naman yun need for recording. Yung mga onboard videocards ng mga motherboards sa ngayon solve na yun eh.
Eto po sir..
Phenom II x4 B50 (unlocked x2 550 BE)
Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3P
2x2GB Team Extreem Dark DDR3-1600 7-7-7-21
Seagate 500GB Sata
Zotac GTX 295
Xigmatek 850W PSU
This year maguupgrade na ako to AMD bulldozer so mapapalitan lahat yan...
Post by: Xelly on July 25, 2011, 11:29:10 PM
Eto po sir..Almost same specs tayo sir. 500gb hdd and 4gb ddr3 ram din akin. Naku solve na solve na yang PC nyo sir!! Dami ko nang nagawang matinding recording sa pc ko eh pero never ko pa siya naramdaman na naghingalo. Ako naman may tanong sa inyo. AMD Phenom II X2 550 BE rin processor ko eh. Paano ninyo na unlock to X4 B50 yung inyo? :-D
Phenom II x4 B50 (unlocked x2 550 BE)
Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3P
2x2GB Team Extreem Dark DDR3-1600 7-7-7-21
Seagate 500GB Sata
Zotac GTX 295
Xigmatek 850W PSU
This year maguupgrade na ako to AMD bulldozer so mapapalitan lahat yan...
Post by: incubus_boy08 on July 26, 2011, 07:48:51 PM
Almost same specs tayo sir. 500gb hdd and 4gb ddr3 ram din akin. Naku solve na solve na yang PC nyo sir!! Dami ko nang nagawang matinding recording sa pc ko eh pero never ko pa siya naramdaman na naghingalo. Ako naman may tanong sa inyo. AMD Phenom II X2 550 BE rin processor ko eh. Paano ninyo na unlock to X4 B50 yung inyo? :-D
Ah naswertehan lang sir. Ngayon madalang na ata yung mga unlockable na X2 eh. Basta mobo lang na may ACC support. I-on mo lang yung ACC sa bios ng mobo mo. Also you may or may not need to adjust voltage sa NB. (I adjusted mine kasi hindi kaya nung stock voltage kapag naka-OC to 3.8GHz). Disadvantage eh pag unlocked, di mo mamomonitor yung temps ng bawat core. Kaya naka aftermarket akong heatsink for peace of mind.
Post by: incubus_boy08 on July 26, 2011, 09:28:48 PM
http://tascam.com/product/us-1800/ (http://tascam.com/product/us-1800/)
Saka oks lang ba i-on yung Phantom power kahit dynamic ang mic na gamit ko? Will it affect sound, produce noise or masira dynamic mic? Thanks!
Post by: multitone on July 30, 2011, 02:42:17 AM
Post by: skin on July 30, 2011, 09:45:10 AM
Hi, I'm planning on setting up a mixerless rig, planning to use "PreSonus FireStudio Mobile FireWire Audio Interface". Is this a good piece of equipment? Any idea kung saan makakabili neto? TIA :)
You can't go wrong with this. San available? Sa US. But you can have it shipped here.
Post by: multitone on July 31, 2011, 04:12:55 PM
You can't go wrong with this. San available? Sa US. But you can have it shipped here.
Thanks for this golden piece of advice Master Skin. Now I am certain on what direction to take :)
Post by: KitC on August 06, 2011, 11:25:37 AM
Thanks for this golden piece of advice Master Skin. Now I am certain on what direction to take :)
Just make sure the computer you're going to use it with has a firewire port. For ex., most laptops do not have firewire. Even macbooks today eschew firewire for thunderbolt.
Post by: Alexmd14 on August 09, 2011, 02:57:48 PM
Gusto ko din po sana mag set up ng recording sa bahay. Ito po ang gamit ko. Tanong ko po kung ok na po ba ito?
PC:
Processor: AMD Athlon II X2 240. 2.8Ghz.
Motheboard: MSI KA780GM2 AMD780G
RAM: 4GB DDR2
Videocard:GeForce GT240 Sparkle
Hard Drive: 320GB Sata
1TB Sata (External)
OS: Windows XP Pro SP3
Gadgets/Equipments:
M-Audio UNO Midi Interface
UCA200 Audio Interface
Korg X5D
Xenyx 802 Mixer
Behringer Truth B203A Speakers
Software:
Magix Music Maker 17 Premium
Di ko pa po nasusubukan magrecord. Still setting up the place and fixing the cables. Any advice will be a great help. Salamat po.
Post by: janryl0016 on August 10, 2011, 09:09:02 AM
sir need ko po kung ano maganda na software that has a backing tracks i mean , yung kaw gagawa ng sarili mong drumbeats. yun po and it will record guitars too.. parang audapacity ata yun.. yun nga lang po wala drums na puwede isalin ee.. salamat po sir.. and sana yung tunog ng drums parang totoo rin.. hindi yung masabi lang po na may drums.. salamat po ng marami sa tulong sir... salamat :-)
Post by: skin on August 10, 2011, 10:01:39 AM
www.reaper.fm
For your drum needs.
http://www.sonomawireworks.com/drumcore/downloads/#DrumCoreFREE
Both are free.
Post by: janryl0016 on August 10, 2011, 03:39:48 PM
For your recording needs.
www.reaper.fm
For your drum needs.
http://www.sonomawireworks.com/drumcore/downloads/#DrumCoreFREE
Both are free.
slamat sir skin.. will be tryng this one out. :-D
Post by: Alexmd14 on August 11, 2011, 05:03:14 PM
Input: source of your music
Output: nakakabit sa speakers
USB: connected sa computer
additional questions:
Kung may sasabayan akong track sa pagre-record, maririnig ko din ba sa output yung track or kung ano lang ire-record ko?
Dapat ba may separate speakers na nakakabit sa computer at ibang speakers na nakakabit sa UCA200?
Please help. thanks...
Post by: skin on August 11, 2011, 05:09:32 PM
If you're using a DAW, you'll hear the track you're going to record and yung sasabayan mo.
What software are you using?
Post by: Alexmd14 on August 11, 2011, 05:18:46 PM
PC:
Processor: AMD Athlon II X2 240. 2.8Ghz.
Motheboard: MSI KA780GM2 AMD780G
RAM: 4GB DDR2
Videocard:GeForce GT240 Sparkle
Hard Drive: 320GB Sata
1TB Sata (External)
OS: Windows XP Pro SP3
Gadgets/Equipments:
M-Audio UNO Midi Interface
UCA200 Audio Interface
Korg X5D
Xenyx 1002 Mixer
Behringer Truth B203A Speakers
Software:
Magix Music Maker 17 Premium
So ibig po sabihin, for example:
Mic-Mixer-UCA200 (Input)-USB-Computer
-UCA200 (Output)- B2030A Speakers
Tama po ba?
Post by: skin on August 11, 2011, 05:20:22 PM
Post by: Alexmd14 on August 11, 2011, 05:25:23 PM
Post by: oteymike888 on August 27, 2011, 06:45:46 PM
Post by: Xelly on August 27, 2011, 06:57:22 PM
sir mahilig kasi akong magcover ng songs balak ko bumili ng fastrack pro4x4 maudio, about sa software ano ang maganda, and kasama na sir ung capture tnxWhat do you mean by "capture" bro? About sa software maraming klase ng DAW and plugins. May kanya-kanyang mga pros and cons pero depende pa rin yun sa preference mo. Sa DAW may mga free ngayon tulad ng Reaper(google mo lang). Nandoon na lahat ng BASIC functions na kailangan mo sa recording.
Post by: oteymike888 on August 27, 2011, 08:20:43 PM
Post by: Xelly on August 27, 2011, 09:55:01 PM
ung capture means video capture via webcam sirnaku wala na ako masyado alam sa mundo ng video editing bro. Pero usually ang ginagawa ko simpleng video shoot lang gamit ang cellphone!! :lol:
Post by: plitipiw40315 on August 27, 2011, 11:51:18 PM
Post by: KitC on November 15, 2011, 09:10:53 AM
ano pong maire-recommend nyo na mic. at mixer, balak ko po magrecord ng drums using only 1 mic..thanks :-D
Not easy to recommend this since you will either: a) spend less and get a mono, 1-dimensional sound that will be very hard to tame, and b) spend for a more expensive stereo mic which you can set up as a quasi-overhead position in front of the kit so you can also capture the kick.
In both instances, you will need an excellent room to record in. You also didn't mention your budget but I'm assuming it is...uhhh, a budget setup.
Post by: plitipiw40315 on November 15, 2011, 09:55:17 AM
Not easy to recommend this since you will either: a) spend less and get a mono, 1-dimensional sound that will be very hard to tame, and b) spend for a more expensive stereo mic which you can set up as a quasi-overhead position in front of the kit so you can also capture the kick.
In both instances, you will need an excellent room to record in. You also didn't mention your budget but I'm assuming it is...uhhh, a budget setup.
10k below po ang budget ko sa mic at mixer ser kit, yung room po eh on going napo ang construction ko sa drum room, bale 13'x11' ang estimate kong dimensions then mga 280 ang ceiling height, concrete slabs po lahat ng walls, ceiling at floor. salamat po sa pagsagot.. :lol:
Post by: ckor10 on December 05, 2011, 10:59:48 PM
1.pentium 4 dual core e5800 LGA77 3.2 ghZ
2.Asus motherboard P5G41T-MLx3
3.video card Nvidia Geforce 210 1024 mb(makakaapekto hu b to?based on past comments po eh)
4.windows xp sp2 32bit
un lng po then plan ko po mag tyu ng mini studio s bhay!!plan 1 ko po audio interface with usb 2.0 close po s m audio mobile pre mk2!! then a mixer po!!like yamaha mg82cx or mackie 802 vlz3 un lng po!!plan 2 ko po ung alesis multimix 8 usb 2.0 wla nmn po audio interface!!un lng po !sa mic po!!blak ko po muna shure sm57 for vocals,begginer p lng nmn po ako eh!maraming slmat po s mga magrereply!! pslmat p ko nkita ko tong forums n to!! slmat!!budget k po 15 k pro lokking forward to extend to 20!!tnx!! :)
Post by: jomspinoy on December 06, 2011, 10:33:34 PM
I have an Allen & Heath ZED10FX mixer which has a USB out. I plan to plug it in my 13" macbook pro (2010) laptop 2.4GHZ 4GB RAM. I'm using Shure SM58 mics and a videoke player.
1) What is the best software for MAC to record voice (videoke singing) given that your budget is unlimited ?
2) What is the best software for MAC to record voice (videoke singing) given that your budget is $100 ?
3) What is the best software for MAC to record voice (videoke singing) given that it should be FREE ?
4) What is the best software if I use windows 7 64-bit on an i5 / 8GB / Asus xonar setup and unlimited budget for software?
Thanks.
Post by: ckor10 on December 07, 2011, 01:43:25 AM
Post by: KitC on December 08, 2011, 12:41:00 PM
Post by: ckor10 on December 08, 2011, 10:30:51 PM
Post by: ckor10 on December 08, 2011, 11:20:50 PM
Post by: KitC on December 12, 2011, 03:33:49 PM
The order of 'speed' in terms of soundcards goes something like this:
internal soundcard > firewire > usb 2 > usb 1.1, where a pci/pcie soundcard is the best if you want the lowest possible latency.
Mind you, this is with regards to branded soundcards whose drivers are really optimized for low latency operation; those consumer-type cards usually will not hack it since their drivers are often optimized for playback and not for recording.
Next is... what is your requirement for recording? Do you really need a mixer? What's with the need for internal effects in the mixer unless you plan to use it for a PA system. In short, what is your REAL requirement? Sonar and Live are both capable, but they have their quirks. Sonar is best thought of as a linear recorder and sequencing tool. Live can be best as a remix/arranging tool, but it also works as a very capable sequencing tool. It all depends on how you want to work.
Post by: ckor10 on December 12, 2011, 04:54:39 PM
Post by: KitC on December 13, 2011, 11:46:54 AM
Like I said earlier, drivers of consumer soundcards are often optimized for playback and not for recording. That's why it's often difficult (but not impossible) to get very low latencies with 'blasters. I know this from experience.
Moving up from blasters, the first thing you will experience is lower noise first, and a clearer representation of the panning from left to right. That's because better spec cards have better spec components. Among the first things I noticed was, apart from low noise, the soundstage could be better visualized. I could hear details that were not inherent in my 'blasters. Another thing was low latencies due to driver optimization; it was much easier to record stuff.
Got to tweakheadz.com and read up on the primer on "The Guide". You will learn a lot about the jargon used in recording, as well as pertinent techniques and tips that you could pick up.
Post by: ckor10 on December 13, 2011, 03:50:38 PM
Post by: KitC on December 14, 2011, 11:32:44 AM
Anyway, at least Sonar compatibility is assured so that might be a shoo-in for your first DAW and it is a good piece of software, which you can probably tell from my sig.
Since you already read tweakheadz, then you got a good foundation. Time to practice what you read, eh?
Post by: ckor10 on December 14, 2011, 02:42:10 PM
Upon reading tweakheadz! of course they are in favor of Firewire interfaces.I'd tried to find a review for quad capture but didn't found anyone! I've searched in the youtube in the past few days and luckily found some users of it. They don't have any bad experiences behind my future audio interface!LOL. :wave: i think, the only difference in firewire and USB 2.0(not 1.1 dahhh) is the specs of the PC!Consider the speed of Processor and if its quite enough to transfer data to a high speed hard drive.As of using firewire,they dont need any helpfrom the processor! There are many factors that must be considered in choosing a USB audio interface and I'm trying to understand them.
I have watched the MTV of one hit combo by parokya ni edgar feat gloc 9 and they are using an m audio fast track mkII usb interface for that recording! Tnx hope that im not in a bad pathway!hahah! ^-^
Post by: KitC on December 15, 2011, 10:32:36 AM
if i get 1 firewire pci card,then its not enough.
Firewire, as good as it is, seems to be in the doldrums today since most of the serial protocols in development is with USB3 and Thunderbolt. I think it's a safe bet to stick with usb for now and forget about firewire interfaces since even Apple is dropping firewire for T-bolt. <Then again, if someone was giving away his fireface for free :drool: , I'd be a fool not to accept it!>
Post by: bindoy on December 19, 2011, 01:42:29 PM
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Post by: kelen on December 28, 2011, 12:12:47 AM
(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/edg6543/GRproblem3.jpg)
(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/edg6543/GRproblem2.jpg)
(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/edg6543/GRproblem.jpg)
same settings sa fl studio pero gumagana naman :-(
Post by: KitC on December 28, 2011, 10:01:30 AM
Post by: kelen on December 28, 2011, 12:00:20 PM
dual core 2.27 ghz
2g RAM
32-bit operating system
conexant smartaudio hd
I tried the m-audio asio but still no luck
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Post by: KitC on December 28, 2011, 11:38:57 PM
Post by: gutz_3110 on December 30, 2011, 12:44:09 PM
Post by: Xelly on December 30, 2011, 11:05:50 PM
Hi, is Guitar Rig capable of recording as well? Does it have drum loops and bass line to create a backing track? I'll be setting up a new PC soon and I'm a bit old school and a newbie about this. My goal is to record my riffs, solos and compose music as well. Thanks!Nope
Post by: KitC on December 31, 2011, 10:31:41 AM
Hi, is Guitar Rig capable of recording as well?
Think of Guitar Rig as software multifx... without the recording option. Aside from standalone operation, it's also a plugin that you use with your favorite DAW.
Post by: gutz_3110 on December 31, 2011, 03:34:28 PM
Post by: KitC on January 02, 2012, 10:28:41 AM
Since you are getting a windows lappy (most likely), almost any DAW out there will allow you to make drum tracks and basslines since they all come with their own instrument plugins. Sonar for ex. already comes with Guitar Rig, Session Drummer and several plugins that allow me to make realistic tracks; Cubase, Logic, Ableton all give you the same fuctionality. If you have a mac, it already comes with Garageband which is quite full featured for a 'basic' DAW.
The only caveat with these DAWs? You will have to come to terms with midi. If you are looking for a drum machine capability, some of the DAWs mentioned above come with midi and audio loops that allow you to piece together relatively complete (if rather uncomplicated nee boring) backing tracks. If you have something like a Roland GR-33 or similar, I believe it has a midi output capability which allows you to use the guitar as a midi input instrument.
Post by: kelen on January 02, 2012, 01:52:57 PM
Did you highlight the inputs and outputs?
sir I tried both asio4all and m-audio asio and it's still not working. I looked around the net for answers, people said that turning off my soundcard maybe will do the trick? it will automatically shut itself off upon detecting a new driver right?
Post by: KitC on January 03, 2012, 10:17:34 AM
Post by: kelen on January 03, 2012, 12:08:13 PM
you can try that but since the right drivers already appear in the asio routing, the problem may be somewhere else. can you tell me how you have things set up? if you were in alabang, i might be able to take a look at your rig right now.
I can get to alabang but not today :cry: on saturday, sir
guitar > cable > 2 pedals > m-audio fast track > cable > pc
latency set to 256 or 512
sa FL studio gumagana naman pero sa guitar rig lang talaga ang problema
Post by: KitC on January 04, 2012, 11:43:23 AM
Looks to me like you want to hear the plugin in realtime, right? You should be able to do that in standalone mode. Latency is a bit high at 256 samples; that i5 should be able to do better. I think you have a config problem with your pc as well.
Post by: gutz_3110 on January 04, 2012, 09:30:19 PM
Post by: KitC on January 05, 2012, 10:34:37 AM
Post by: sQuid on January 14, 2012, 04:18:41 PM
Will this remove my iMac's hum when recording?
http://www.aapexonline.com/ground-loop-isolator-noise-suppressor-filter-killer-rca-to-rca-20-amp-23-long.html
Set-up is iMac>Behringer UCA>Behringer Mixer (via RCA)>Rode M3
Audio starts to hum when the USB soundcard is plugged in to the iMac USB port. Kapag di naka-connect sa mixer malinis yung tunog ng M3.
TIA! :)
Post by: skin on January 15, 2012, 07:31:43 PM
Sir KitC,
Will this remove my iMac's hum when recording?
http://www.aapexonline.com/ground-loop-isolator-noise-suppressor-filter-killer-rca-to-rca-20-amp-23-long.html
Set-up is iMac>Behringer UCA>Behringer Mixer (via RCA)>Rode M3
Audio starts to hum when the USB soundcard is plugged in to the iMac USB port. Kapag di naka-connect sa mixer malinis yung tunog ng M3.
TIA! :)
Do you hear the hum on recorded audio? Yung UCA200 ko may hum sa monitoring but on recorded audio wala.
Post by: KitC on January 16, 2012, 03:14:41 PM
Have you tried using a different usb port? I'd suggest using a powered hub, but even that may generate noise.
Post by: cyberkamote on January 18, 2012, 04:22:28 AM
must be able to handle mic (PL and XLR connectors) and at least 1 instrument inputs simultaneously and I need to take it in to my PC via USB
now so far the combos I have in mind are (entry level lang po):
- - Behringer Xenyx 302USB + Behringer UCA202
- - Behringer Xenyx 502 + Behringer UCA202 (basically the difference from above is the USB power)
- - Lexicon Alpha + Behringer UCA 202
- - M Audio Fast Track (however this one doesn't have PL mic capabilities)
Obviously I dont have much knowledge on other products, specially the USB interface part (thus I only listed UCA 202 in most of my choices above).
Any comments/suggestions?
BTW: Im only a hobbyist and want to record acoustic guitar + mic to my PC.
Post by: plitipiw40315 on January 18, 2012, 08:43:57 AM
hi po sa mga experts, planning to buy an audio interface to record at home, here are my needs:
must be able to handle mic (PL and XLR connectors) and at least 1 instrument inputs simultaneously and I need to take it in to my PC via USB
now so far the combos I have in mind are (entry level lang po):
- - Behringer Xenyx 302USB + Behringer UCA202
- - Behringer Xenyx 502 + Behringer UCA202 (basically the difference from above is the USB power)
- - Lexicon Alpha + Behringer UCA 202
- - M Audio Fast Track (however this one doesn't have PL mic capabilities)
Obviously I dont have much knowledge on other products, specially the USB interface part (thus I only listed UCA 202 in most of my choices above).
Any comments/suggestions?
BTW: Im only a hobbyist and want to record acoustic guitar + mic to my PC.
i think ypu wont be needing UCA202 for your first choice..since it has already usb 2, which means you can directly plug it to your PC/Laptop.. :)
Post by: skin on January 18, 2012, 10:04:33 AM
hi po sa mga experts, planning to buy an audio interface to record at home, here are my needs:
must be able to handle mic (PL and XLR connectors) and at least 1 instrument inputs simultaneously and I need to take it in to my PC via USB
now so far the combos I have in mind are (entry level lang po):
- - Behringer Xenyx 302USB + Behringer UCA202
- - Behringer Xenyx 502 + Behringer UCA202 (basically the difference from above is the USB power)
- - Lexicon Alpha + Behringer UCA 202
- - M Audio Fast Track (however this one doesn't have PL mic capabilities)
Obviously I dont have much knowledge on other products, specially the USB interface part (thus I only listed UCA 202 in most of my choices above).
Any comments/suggestions?
BTW: Im only a hobbyist and want to record acoustic guitar + mic to my PC.
Get the first one and sell the your UCA202. It is best to record acoustic guitar with a good mic. If you want to use this method and sing simultaneously, get the Xenyx 802 so you have 2 xlr's.
If you can get it in the US, get this one.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/615405-REG/ART_USBDUALPREPS_USB_Dual_Pre.html
Post by: cyberkamote on January 18, 2012, 07:10:30 PM
Get the first one and sell the your UCA202. It is best to record acoustic guitar with a good mic. If you want to use this method and sing simultaneously, get the Xenyx 802 so you have 2 xlr's.
If you can get it in the US, get this one.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/615405-REG/ART_USBDUALPREPS_USB_Dual_Pre.html
now that I've read the specs again sa website nila, oo nga noh, I dont need the UCA 202!!! Thanks bro for pointing that out!
Now, the problem is I have to find a Xenyx 302USB! hehe! (out of stock sa lahat ng InTune outlets)
Also, thanks for pointing out that the 302USB can only accept one input at a time (either PL or XLR) - I was wondering though, aside from iPods and other music players (CD player,etc) what are those RCA inputs for (the line in and the 2-track input) on the 302?
BTW, I don't have credit card so I cannot purchase online..the product you showed is quite similar to the 302 tho' thanks!
Post by: pualux on January 19, 2012, 03:40:44 AM
I'm using a windows 7 laptop, I3, 2gigs ram(used to be 3gigs but time has taken its toll on this lil fellah)
My real question is this, will a computer with a very powerful processor be capable of eliminating latency when using usb interfaces? Or would a firewire interface be better?
I ask this since I've decided to stick with windows and I plan to build a music production pc from the ground up....i'm looking for ideas on what parts to buy.
Post by: KitC on January 19, 2012, 09:57:14 AM
Assuming the buffer size of your usb audio equates to samples, you are experiencing a latency in the area of 11 milliseconds, which is very much noticeable when monitoring live during overdubs. Drummers (at least, the good ones) will get thrown off their rhythm during these situations, as well as other musicians who have an ear for tight timing.
So is a new computer the answer? I'd say get a better interface, and not necessarily firewire. Make sure that interface is a proven one with rock solid drivers.
Post by: skin on January 19, 2012, 10:54:00 AM
hi again, it's been a while since I tried to record something, anyway I have this problem, every time I record, there's always latency, I've ignored this for the past two years since I thought that maybe it was just my slow computer(i just moved the delayed track and sync it with the rest of the track) but I just want to know if latency is really something we have to accept when using usb interfaces? I've set the buffer size to 512 and I can't set it any lower than that...oh btw, the delay i'm talking about is when I turn monitor ON on a track where I'm trying to record something. Hope my explanation didn't sound off.
I'm using a windows 7 laptop, I3, 2gigs ram(used to be 3gigs but time has taken its toll on this lil fellah)
My real question is this, will a computer with a very powerful processor be capable of eliminating latency when using usb interfaces? Or would a firewire interface be better?
I ask this since I've decided to stick with windows and I plan to build a music production pc from the ground up....i'm looking for ideas on what parts to buy.
Download drivers from this site. www.asio4all.com
I assume you're still using the integrated soundcard of your computer.
Post by: plitipiw40315 on January 19, 2012, 11:50:52 AM
Also, thanks for pointing out that the 302USB can only accept one input at a time (either PL or XLR) - I was wondering though, aside from iPods and other music players (CD player,etc) what are those RCA inputs for (the line in and the 2-track input) on the 302?
you can use it for drum machines and synth's.. :)
Post by: punkasspunk on January 19, 2012, 01:39:25 PM
im planning to set-up my pc for recording eto po specs ng pc ko, anu po ba dapat unahin ko? :-) sound card, anung software kaya maganda for beginners and anung interface mag-suggest nyo to hook up my guitar to my pc?!
thanks .. i hope you can help out.. thanks again.. :)
intel i3-2100 3.1ghz
2 gig ram
64 bit windows 7 ultimate
p8h61-mlx asus board
320 hdd
Post by: skin on January 19, 2012, 02:18:38 PM
hi sir KitC
im planning to set-up my pc for recording eto po specs ng pc ko, anu po ba dapat unahin ko? :-) sound card, anung software kaya maganda for beginners and anung interface mag-suggest nyo to hook up my guitar to my pc?!
thanks .. i hope you can help out.. thanks again.. :)
intel i3-2100 3.1ghz
2 gig ram
64 bit windows 7 ultimate
p8h61-mlx asus board
320 hdd
Get a separate audio interface. For free software, check out Reaper and for guitar effects check Amplitube.
Post by: punkasspunk on January 19, 2012, 02:37:14 PM
Post by: skin on January 19, 2012, 02:42:53 PM
sir skin : what can you recommend na auido interface?!
Budget? How many tracks are you gonna record simultaneously?
Post by: punkasspunk on January 19, 2012, 02:45:01 PM
Budget? How many tracks are you gonna record simultaneously?
i cannot estimate eh, anu ba yung pinaka-basic 4 tracks? or 8 tracks sorry no idea talaga..
Post by: skin on January 19, 2012, 02:55:28 PM
i cannot estimate eh, anu ba yung pinaka-basic 4 tracks? or 8 tracks sorry no idea talaga..
For starters people usually get the M-audio fast track. Check out JB since they distribute M-Audio locally.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/m-audio-fast-track-mkii-usb-audio-interface-with-pro-tools-se/h76481000000000
Post by: punkasspunk on January 19, 2012, 03:15:51 PM
Post by: punkasspunk on January 19, 2012, 03:33:32 PM
Post by: KitC on January 19, 2012, 05:11:19 PM
kailangan pa ba ng sound card if ever bibili ako ng m-audio fast track?!
No. the fast track IS the sound card, aside from the built in sound in your pc.
Post by: punkasspunk on January 19, 2012, 05:22:51 PM
but what if wanted to install a sound card aside from the one that is buit in, what do i need next?i mean do i still need the m-audio to connect my guitar to comp. or are there any alternative.?
sorry really have no idea...
Post by: cyberkamote on January 20, 2012, 05:29:23 AM
so if i have m-audio fast track no need for another sound aside from the one that is built in..
but what if wanted to install a sound card aside from the one that is buit in, what do i need next?i mean do i still need the m-audio to connect my guitar to comp. or are there any alternative.?
sorry really have no idea...
hi sir, the important thing to know is that the fast track is going to your PC via USB...
now normally wala dapat epekto yun kung may soundcard ka pa, specially if yung purpose ng sound card mo is simply for your PC speakers...
remember that the Fast Track is an Audio interface- normally a gadget for "INPUT" so the guitar and mic go in here. Now if ang reason mo to buy a soundcard is for plugging in your speakers then I think walang magiging problema...
Hope this helps sir :) lets wait for the experts to comment too :)
Post by: KitC on January 20, 2012, 09:38:23 AM
Note that you CAN record with onboard sound, but it usually isn't the most efficient way to do so. For one thing, pc sound is usually designed for efficient playback with recording added as a bonus. Low latency recording is not high on the list of priorities when the developers make drivers for onboard sound; this is why we need a dedicated audio interface. Often, external and prosumer soundcards (such as the fast track) will have better, low latency drivers as well as multiple I/O and maybe provisions for instrument inputs which put conditions such as impedance mismatching out of the question.
You can have onboard sound and the fast track both working simultaneously. Used to be that I would route my onboard sound into my recording card so I can hear my games or movies after a hard day's work - I had up to 3 different sound sources at that time. Onboard sound goes to my pc speakers while the 'pro audio' goes to my headphones or monitors. Let's just say I could hear the difference between the 2 and I couldn't trust onboard sound for critical listening. Now, my 1820m does everything audio related - a much simpler and efficient setup.
The simplest way to connect a guitar to a pc is to get one of those usb guitar cables or interfaces... the fast tracks have guitar inputs. You may have problems with monitoring when you use the simple interfaces, though... no speaker outputs in the most inexpensive usb cables and interfaces.
Post by: punkasspunk on January 20, 2012, 02:48:58 PM
so i can go for m-audio interface alone
can you recommend any? i want to record
guitar, bass, voice and the drum beats i guess
i can gets some with drum machine ..
thanks for the time ...
Post by: KitC on January 20, 2012, 02:57:23 PM
Use Reaper as your DAW in the meantime but please try to pay for it eventually. It is great software that deserves user support.
Post by: punkasspunk on January 20, 2012, 03:21:44 PM
Post by: cyberkamote on January 20, 2012, 06:36:09 PM
May iba pa bang distributor ng Roland here? Sakto yung Tri-Capture or yung UA-4FX ... how much kaya sa PH price ito?
la lang just venting out :wink:
Post by: KitC on January 21, 2012, 11:47:09 AM
May iba pa bang distributor ng Roland here?
If there are, I doubt you would get proper support and service. yupanks is the only authorized distro of Roland products here.
Post by: punkasspunk on January 22, 2012, 10:00:11 AM
when i strum the string there'e a 3 sec. delay
before i actually hear the sound comes out on the speaker
is there any way to resolve this..
im using reaper..
Post by: KitC on January 22, 2012, 01:31:26 PM
Try to set your latency to the lowest possible setting before audio starts breaking up. The lower the latency, the higher the cpu loading so try to record dry (i.e., without plugins).
Post by: punkasspunk on January 22, 2012, 05:33:15 PM
Post by: packyshingha on January 29, 2012, 09:29:14 PM
sample rate:
Number of Buffers:
bit dept:
buffer size:
sana po masagot nyo ang katanungan ko.. medyo advance po kasi config nya.thanks in advance..
Post by: ckor10 on January 29, 2012, 11:25:21 PM
#2 question ! Same set up po! interface/phantom power on, !input 1 -condenser mic (for ex AT2020) :cute: ,input 2 -Dynamic mic ( e.g. Sm57) :| . is there any damages that would be taken by the dynamic mic? :cry:
thanks po!salamat ng marami..... :wave:
Post by: skin on January 30, 2012, 11:57:09 AM
Gud evening po :-(.especially kay sir kitc .pa ask naman about phantom power!here's the case!(for example only) what if i have an audio interface :drool: ,let's say roland quad capture! then i turned on the phantom power on for a condenser mic -- channel 1 then i connect my guitar sa channel 2 !hnd po balanced ung cable wire(TRS) ah !wla kc akong guitar amp ! ung line out po mismo ng gitara! does phantom power can cause damage/s sa pick up ng gitara? :-P
#2 question ! Same set up po! interface/phantom power on, !input 1 -condenser mic (for ex AT2020) :cute: ,input 2 -Dynamic mic ( e.g. Sm57) :| . is there any damages that would be taken by the dynamic mic? :cry:
thanks po!salamat ng marami..... :wave:
No damage.
Post by: ckor10 on January 30, 2012, 02:49:49 PM
No damage.
tnx po!!
Post by: ckor10 on January 30, 2012, 03:40:28 PM
Dami palang ok na USB Interfaces ang Roland- however I called Yupangco and all they have is the Octo-capture (or was it Octa)...
May iba pa bang distributor ng Roland here? Sakto yung Tri-Capture or yung UA-4FX ... how much kaya sa PH price ito?
la lang just venting out :wink:
OO nga eh!wala pa clang inorder!!2mawag dn ako kanina octacapture lng meron! damn !! makakabili n sana ako quadcapture! anyways. ipon n lng ulit ako pang octa since i'll use to record 2 or more instruments for jamming!! :drool:
Post by: packyshingha on January 30, 2012, 07:18:23 PM
@kitC: Sir KitC, kasi po mixcraft ang software na gamit ko sa pagRerecording and Samson C01u naman ang mic na gamit ko.. Ask ko lang in terms of vocals, kasi default lang ung ginamit kong settings ng mixcraft.. may specific settings ba na pangVocals like.
sample rate:
Number of Buffers:
bit dept:
buffer size:
sana po masagot nyo ang katanungan ko.. medyo advance po kasi config nya.thanks in advance..
Sana masagot po ito.. thanks mga master.. :)
Post by: KitC on February 01, 2012, 11:48:46 AM
@kitC: Sir KitC, kasi po mixcraft ang software na gamit ko sa pagRerecording and Samson C01u naman ang mic na gamit ko.. Ask ko lang in terms of vocals, kasi default lang ung ginamit kong settings ng mixcraft.. may specific settings ba na pangVocals like.
sample rate:
Number of Buffers:
bit dept:
buffer size:
sana po masagot nyo ang katanungan ko.. medyo advance po kasi config nya.thanks in advance..
Nothing specific. Just pick a sample rate and set latency as low as your computer (and interface) will let you without breaking up. As for bit depth, I prefer to use 24-bit for the extra processing headroom, but 16-bit recording is fine. Don't worry about buffers and such and let the software use defaults unless you experience problems.
Post by: packyshingha on February 01, 2012, 01:11:37 PM
Nothing specific. Just pick a sample rate and set latency as low as your computer (and interface) will let you without breaking up. As for bit depth, I prefer to use 24-bit for the extra processing headroom, but 16-bit recording is fine. Don't worry about buffers and such and let the software use defaults unless you experience problems.
Sir KitC: Thank you po malaking tulong po yan.. sige po explore ko nlng about sa settings ko jan... Thank You po. :)
Post by: ckor10 on February 09, 2012, 09:35:08 PM
Post by: jake z on February 11, 2012, 10:21:36 AM
Need your advise, Im planning to purchase a ALESIS io2 express and use it with my laptop, so can I indeed connect my guitar directly without any pre amps?
Thanks! :)
Post by: KitC on February 11, 2012, 10:46:02 AM
ask naman po!Ok po kayang bumile sa mga music stores sa Raon? dami kc dun eh ! Hinde ko alam kung authorized! <_<
There are several authorized shops in Raon... I think JB has a branch there. I'd stay away from really cheap gear though. Ika nga 'you never know what you gonna get'.
Post by: KitC on February 11, 2012, 10:52:07 AM
Need your advise, Im planning to purchase a ALESIS io2 express and use it with my laptop, so can I indeed connect my guitar directly without any pre amps?
from here: http://homerecording.com/bbs/general-discussions/newbies/alesis-io2-sonar-fuzzy-problem-277610/
The io2 doesn't have any dedicated drivers - go figure - and you are require to use asio4all. This creates problems as far as configuration goes and if you read the bottom post, the writer was able to find a workaround. Personally, I'd rather invest in an interface with drivers and hardware I can depend on.
Post by: jacobb45 on February 17, 2012, 02:03:05 AM
kz po gus2 kong mag cover nang kanta eh...
and pano po kung me kasamang video?
hirap po kz eh meron po aqng guitar rig 5 na app tsaka amplitube 3 (with ASIO na po)
kaso pag naka saksak na ung bass guitar q sa line in..
hnd naman tumutunog dun sa gr5 or amplutube 3..
p help nmn po thanks in advance..
Post by: skin on February 17, 2012, 10:58:37 AM
sir ask ko lng po kung pano mag record nang bass guitar sa pc?
kz po gus2 kong mag cover nang kanta eh...
and pano po kung me kasamang video?
hirap po kz eh meron po aqng guitar rig 5 na app tsaka amplitube 3 (with ASIO na po)
kaso pag naka saksak na ung bass guitar q sa line in..
hnd naman tumutunog dun sa gr5 or amplutube 3..
p help nmn po thanks in advance..
Bawal text spelling!!!
Check mo input settings sa software mo.
Post by: jacobb45 on February 17, 2012, 06:15:51 PM
chineck ko naman po ung sa audio settings eh..
tumutunog naman ung line in..
tsaka ung settings ko dun sa gr5 asio lng naman po pero hnd nmn natunog...
kz sinunod ko lng tung tutorial eh ..click lng nila ung asio dun then ok na cla..
Post by: jake z on February 18, 2012, 01:24:30 PM
Question about another possible set up. This time using a behringer uca - 202 connected to a soundcraft spirit f1. Will I still need a di or pre amp for a guitar that's used to connect to it? Or can I plug it straight?
I'm thinking as an alternative, I can use my marshall 10w amp, plug the guitar in and use the head phone output and use it to connect the amp to the mixer.
Any suggestion on this one?
I'm trying to choose from the uca-202 or a alesis io2.
Thanks guys!
Post by: kelen on February 19, 2012, 12:40:01 PM
Post by: packyshingha on February 19, 2012, 02:11:39 PM
boss pano po kaya gawin yung effects ng owl city? i mean ung synthesizer na gamit dun, gusto ko po mamaster yun kung pano gumawa ng ganun, medyo marunong na ako gumamit ng mga VST instruments.. pero ndi ko magawa ung ganung style ng effects.. may idea po ba kayo or kahit plug-ins na free?
Thanks in advance.. :)
Post by: KitC on February 20, 2012, 12:11:13 PM
kaso pag naka saksak na ung bass guitar q sa line in..
line in ng ano? computer? you need an interface with an instrument input.
Post by: KitC on February 20, 2012, 02:06:03 PM
Will I still need a di or pre amp for a guitar that's used to connect to it? Or can I plug it straight?
You will need an instrument DI or preamp with instrument level inputs. Don't plug in straight to the line inputs unless it is a keyboard or some other device with line level outputs.
Post by: KitC on February 20, 2012, 04:08:36 PM
Mga Sir, Specially Sir KitC:
boss pano po kaya gawin yung effects ng owl city? i mean ung synthesizer na gamit dun, gusto ko po mamaster yun kung pano gumawa ng ganun
How well do you know midi and synth programming? In most cases, the synths used by owl City were probably custom programmed (patches and arpeggios) so it won't be as easy as picking a preset and sounding immediately like him. I read that he works entirely in (Propellerheads) Reason but records to Pro Tools. His synths include a Nord Wave and Moog Voyager. Here's a list of the softsynths he uses:
Spectrasonics Omnisphere
Spectrasonics Trilian
Spectrasonics Stylus RMX
Korg Mono/Poly
Korg MS-20
Korg Polysix
Korg LegacyCell
Vienna Instruments
Digidesign Velvet
Synthogy Ivory
Drumagog
Native Instruments Kontact
Native Instruments Battery
Native Instruments Reaktor
Native Instruments Absynth
Native Instruments FM8
Native Instruments Massive
Native Instruments Guitar Rig
Native Instruments Alicia's Keys
He also uses Autotune...
As you can see, it's a very extensive list and AFAIK, Adam Young did the programming and recording himself although the produced sound tells me his music was mixed and mastered somewhere else.
Post by: packyshingha on February 20, 2012, 05:43:26 PM
How well do you know midi and synth programming? In most cases, the synths used by owl City were probably custom programmed (patches and arpeggios) so it won't be as easy as picking a preset and sounding immediately like him. I read that he works entirely in (Propellerheads) Reason but records to Pro Tools. His synths include a Nord Wave and Moog Voyager. Here's a list of the softsynths he uses:
Spectrasonics Omnisphere
Spectrasonics Trilian
Spectrasonics Stylus RMX
Korg Mono/Poly
Korg MS-20
Korg Polysix
Korg LegacyCell
Vienna Instruments
Digidesign Velvet
Synthogy Ivory
Drumagog
Native Instruments Kontact
Native Instruments Battery
Native Instruments Reaktor
Native Instruments Absynth
Native Instruments FM8
Native Instruments Massive
Native Instruments Guitar Rig
Native Instruments Alicia's Keys
He also uses Autotune...
As you can see, it's a very extensive list and AFAIK, Adam Young did the programming and recording himself although the produced sound tells me his music was mixed and mastered somewhere else.
@Sir KitC Ah ganun po ba Sir.. Ang galing kasi ng mga mixed nya, lately lang po kasi ako naHumaling sa Electronica / Pop... may inaayos pa po akong mixed ngayon eto po draft http://soundcloud.com/ejclores/will-it-hurt-super-final (http://soundcloud.com/ejclores/will-it-hurt-super-final) medyo madame pa pong kulang jan .. <_< Sorry sablay ang pagkakanta ko.. :(
kapag napakinggan nyo po bigyan nyo po ako ng suggestion para mapaganda ko pa ang tunog.. 3 days ko na pong inaayos yan.. Moog Voyager din po ang gamit kong synthesizer.. :)
Post by: KitC on February 21, 2012, 05:23:25 PM
The synth intrudes with the vocals. what is the real focus of your song? vox or keys? that alone decides how you will mix your song.
Post by: packyshingha on February 21, 2012, 05:35:46 PM
Interesting that you got a voyager (pics or it didn't happen) :wave: hehe
The synth intrudes with the vocals. what is the real focus of your song? vox or keys? that alone decides how you will mix your song.
No Sir, Wala akong pangBili ng Moog Voyager.. :) what i mean is yung VST na gamit ko kasi moog din sya so hirap mamili ng sub category nya ang dameng pagpipilian ng tunog under kay moog synthesizer.. Vox po ang focus ko kasi yung keys yun lang naman paulit-ulit.hehe
Post by: KitC on February 21, 2012, 05:44:01 PM
EQ the synth. kill the mids so that it doesn't interfere with your vox. when it solos, thats the time it goes full spectrum (sort of). also try to use creative panning. for vox, all i can tell you is that you should sound more confident. I was listening to Walk Off the Earth's 'Someone I Used to Know' earlier and I noticed how hugely different it was from the original Gotye version. it all boils down to vocals in a song.
Post by: packyshingha on February 21, 2012, 06:06:53 PM
Well, I just happened to download the iPad Animoog last Dec. which just cost me $0.99 because it was an introductory pricing. The only problem I have right now is midi control of the ipad since it requires an interface that isn't tops on my list right now but I digress.
EQ the synth. kill the mids so that it doesn't interfere with your vox. when it solos, thats the time it goes full spectrum (sort of). also try to use creative panning. for vox, all i can tell you is that you should sound more confident. I was listening to Walk Off the Earth's 'Someone I Used to Know' earlier and I noticed how hugely different it was from the original Gotye version. it all boils down to vocals in a song.
Thanks Sir.. Very informative.. kaya pala hindi masyado marinig yung vox kasi gawa ng mga mids ko... sige Sir pagAaralan ko din yung panning ng sa vocals.. usually gumagamit lang ako ng panning kapag may backup vocals..
Ang galing ng areglo ng "Walk Off the Earth's 'Someone I Used to Know"
Post by: jacobb45 on February 22, 2012, 05:34:45 PM
sir ayan po ba kelangan q?
san po ba ako nakakabili nyan? at anong name nya?
Post by: kelen on February 22, 2012, 08:35:25 PM
sir, ang balak ko gawin is to make my computer part of the effects chain. bale ang gagawin ko ay gagamitin ko yung fast track para mainput ko yung guitar. ang di ko alam ay kung paano yung output from fast track/pc to amp. thanks
:)
Post by: stompnoise on February 22, 2012, 11:49:17 PM
sir, ang balak ko gawin is to make my computer part of the effects chain. bale ang gagawin ko ay gagamitin ko yung fast track para mainput ko yung guitar. ang di ko alam ay kung paano yung output from fast track/pc to amp. thanksbest way is to use the output from the interface. kung walang out interface mo, I think pwede ung headphone out.
Post by: KitC on February 23, 2012, 10:18:49 AM
sir, ang balak ko gawin is to make my computer part of the effects chain. bale ang gagawin ko ay gagamitin ko yung fast track para mainput ko yung guitar. ang di ko alam ay kung paano yung output from fast track/pc to amp. thanks
I normally do not recommend this since there are a LOT of things that can go wrong, especially during the recording process, or even during live. For one thing, interfacing with a computer can be notoriously buggy that's why we sometimes take 2 feeds during a guitar recording. One is effected by recording/miking up the amp so that we hear what the guitarist intended, the other is the raw guitar feed (uneffected) so we can add software fx as needed.
The thing about software is latency and I know of some guitarists who get their rhythm thrown off even with just a little latency. Worse case is returning the effected signal back into the mix where the latency can cause phasing if you make the mistake of mixing with the original sound.
Post by: kelen on February 23, 2012, 07:53:35 PM
Post by: kelen on February 23, 2012, 08:08:37 PM
Post by: KitC on February 24, 2012, 09:41:21 AM
Remember that you cannot just put such an interface into your chain because the M-audio's output in this case is line level. Most pedals have instrument level I/O so impedance mismatch is very prevalent is this case. The interface HAS to be the last fx in the chain, and even then, you can't just feed it's output back into a guitar amp. It can work as an insert fx as long as the insert loop uses line level impedances; even then most inserts are mono fx. In some cases, you can use the inserts of digital multifx since these are usually line level.
If the interface is the last in the chain, you have to feed its output to a mixer line input for proper impedance matching. This is so you could monitor the output of your chain. Even then, I've known of problems with routing especially if asio is not supported, although maudio usually has good asio support. Like I previously mentioned, latency will play a big role here, especially when it becomes audible.
Post by: deliciouspapa on February 24, 2012, 03:10:11 PM
Post by: crazyvoice on February 26, 2012, 01:35:27 AM
First of all my reason to write this is to look what equipment do i need first so i will be able to record my own music. I've read that m audio fast track is a nice thing to start and a Shure mic will do. I want to record my own voice with accompanied acoustic guitar my focus first is to my voice since i believe i can sing well than playing guitar. Any suggestion of other equipment do i needed to perform my recording by the way im on budget let say 3k-5k for the interface, and what particular mic model do i needed and where to buy those things or is it advisable to buy 2nd hand item. Is there any guide posted in this forum for installing the equipment with my pc. Any ideas is well appreciated! :wave:
Post by: deliciouspapa on February 26, 2012, 08:35:36 AM
hi guys im new here, also I already back read this thread. :)
First of all my reason to write this is to look what equipment do i need first so i will be able to record my own music. I've read that m audio fast track is a nice thing to start and a Shure mic will do. I want to record my own voice with accompanied acoustic guitar my focus first is to my voice since i believe i can sing well than playing guitar. Any suggestion of other equipment do i needed to perform my recording by the way im on budget let say 3k-5k for the interface, and what particular mic model do i needed and where to buy those things or is it advisable to buy 2nd hand item. Is there any guide posted in this forum for installing the equipment with my pc. Any ideas is well appreciated! :wave:
Get a decent condenser mic for vocals and acoustic stuff. The Shure SM58 is great for live vocals and the SM57 for mic'ing amps.
MXL990 and AT2020 are nice entry-level condenser mics. Be aware that the cheap Behringer and Samson models are not true large diaphragm mics.
Post by: crazyvoice on February 26, 2012, 06:05:07 PM
Get a decent condenser mic for vocals and acoustic stuff. The Shure SM58 is great for live vocals and the SM57 for mic'ing amps.
MXL990 and AT2020 are nice entry-level condenser mics. Be aware that the cheap Behringer and Samson models are not true large diaphragm mics.
well thanks for the suggestion on mics i looked for it on the we and it looks great but as of now im focusing to look for a decent interface because my Tito lend be a mic i dont know what model it is but it is a Behringer so im content to it by now. by the way im eyeing maudio fast track but i wonder where to get it im thinking to go to Raon and look for is it advisable to buy stuff there?
Post by: KitC on February 27, 2012, 09:47:08 AM
Its ok to start with dynamics when starting out. At least you don't need phantom power to drive that and dynamics are usually more durable save for the cheap jobs that have plastic bodies and grills. Train your ears first. As you gain experience and a discerning ear, you can step up to condensers and better equipment.
Post by: crazyvoice on February 27, 2012, 10:01:43 PM
saw this vid also from youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubRqbA0S-gA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubRqbA0S-gA)
on its description it stated that he used Jam Lab to all of his instrument well its sounds pretty good or he has done so much editing with it?
Post by: KitC on February 28, 2012, 09:47:26 AM
The recording you hear in youtube has, of course, been polished to some degree. Guitar is too forward in my opinion, but that's just me.
Post by: crazyvoice on February 28, 2012, 11:19:20 AM
I almost buy this one :| maybe i should settle for maudio fast track. im eager to try some recording now im tired of using my headset mic on recording then hearing annoying hiss sound :idea:
The nearest place for me to look into of recording equips is Raon so i think i should window shopped first there after school, one of these days! :drool:
Post by: technical1 on February 28, 2012, 01:46:01 PM
:-D
Post by: axebass26 on March 02, 2012, 01:22:50 PM
Post by: KitC on March 02, 2012, 01:35:18 PM
pasintabi po magtatanong lang, saan pa po ba may available na m-audio delta 1010 pci lt at magkano po kaya ito ngayon?
Subukan mo sa JB kung may stocks pa sila, o kaya sa Pro Audio Classifieds.
Post by: axebass26 on March 02, 2012, 01:39:39 PM
Subukan mo sa JB kung may stocks pa sila, o kaya sa Pro Audio Classifieds.
if ever wala, ano kayang soundcard ang pwedeng ipang substitute dito?
Post by: KitC on March 03, 2012, 01:20:36 PM
if ever wala, ano kayang soundcard ang pwedeng ipang substitute dito?
Depende sa computer mo. Pwede naman mga usb2 na interface tulad ng fast track o focusrite saffire. Ilang inputs ba kelangan mo?
Remember, pci ang 1010LT. Kung bago ang pc mo at walang pci slots, then usb o firewire ang mga option mo. May mga pcie na soundcards pero may kamahalan ang mga yun.
Post by: samuelfianza on March 04, 2012, 02:43:57 AM
they're both USD 149.99
Post by: KitC on March 04, 2012, 11:22:18 AM
Post by: phrygian on March 26, 2012, 08:42:35 AM
Post by: ckor10 on March 30, 2012, 03:44:58 PM
My first audio interface was M-audio Fast track pro, its lowest latency value is 128 and its not usb2, it wasnt stable for my computer even at its lowest 41khz resolution when recording and mixing. I bought my new Roland Quad-capture I like it that I record at 192khz resolution without problems and its usb2. very stable.
Do you lived here in philippines?If yes!where Did You bought the Roland quad capture??.
Post by: ckor10 on March 30, 2012, 03:48:20 PM
Post by: skin on March 30, 2012, 03:54:26 PM
Sir Kitc!Ask nman about sa Graphics Card na applicable for Computer Rcording! >:D
Huh???????
Post by: phrygian on March 30, 2012, 04:34:15 PM
Do you lived here in philippines?If yes!where Did You bought the Roland quad capture??.hinde nasa US ako. Using it with sonar 8.5.3 producer , windows 7 64bit 2.8 ghz 8Gb ram.
Post by: ckor10 on March 31, 2012, 01:27:39 AM
Huh???????
Video Card po!
Post by: crazyvoice on March 31, 2012, 05:28:53 AM
By the way if your looking for a video card get at least 9500GT of Nvidia or HD4350 of AMD. GPU with the price range of 1k-2k will provide you a good service, unless your into PC gaming you will need a more high end GPU, GTX 460, HD5770 indeed
Post by: KitC on March 31, 2012, 05:08:15 PM
Sir Kitc!Ask nman about sa Graphics Card na applicable for Computer Rcording! >:D
Any will actually do, including onboard graphics, at least sa mga current mobos. Just don't go overboard and buy the latest and greatest since most graphics cards have a sneaky way of trying to get the most cpu cycles they can.
Post by: KitC on March 31, 2012, 05:12:25 PM
By the way if your looking for a video card get at least 9500GT of Nvidia or HD4350 of AMD. GPU with the price range of 1k-2k will provide you a good service, unless your into PC gaming you will need a more high end GPU, GTX 460, HD5770 indeed
I'm actually using a GTS 450, which was good enough for Starcraft. Actually wanted the 5770... Anyway, like I said in the previous post, don't go for the most powerful. Among other things, they can generate a lot of heat so mid-level is usually the way to go, unless you're into rendering video. Always design you're computer according to how you will use it. If for video, then use the best vidcard you can afford. Of course, for audio, cram it with the best audio card you can afford and optimize it accordingly.
Post by: ckor10 on April 01, 2012, 08:13:27 AM
Post by: ckor10 on April 01, 2012, 08:56:39 AM
I'm actually using a GTS 450, which was good enough for Starcraft. Actually wanted the 5770... Anyway, like I said in the previous post, don't go for the most powerful. Among other things, they can generate a lot of heat so mid-level is usually the way to go, unless you're into rendering video. Always design you're computer according to how you will use it. If for video, then use the best vidcard you can afford. Of course, for audio, cram it with the best audio card you can afford and optimize it accordingly.kamusta nmn po yung video card nio? hinde po ba nakakapekto kpag nagrerecord kayu?
Post by: KitC on April 02, 2012, 08:17:56 AM
The thing that's giving me trouble now either seems to be my ram or the mobo's memory controller/chipset. Unfortunately, there's no diagnostics for the mobo, although running primetest95 helped me identify a potentially bad stick of ram. Time to go for a 2x2 Gb configuration... sigh.
Post by: ckor10 on April 02, 2012, 09:04:09 AM
Post by: KitC on April 02, 2012, 10:49:56 AM
Post by: xelalien on April 02, 2012, 01:57:38 PM
ot: happy bday sir KitC!
Post by: KitC on April 02, 2012, 03:28:59 PM
I tried with ubuntu dati but it was too much work to configure everything. When time is not an issue, will experiment again.
Post by: deliciouspapa on April 02, 2012, 08:38:02 PM
question: anyone here tried recording using Linux (via Ardour)?
here. gui is not as polished, but usable. you'll be left wanting if you depend on vst stuff. but, otherwise, it's very usable if you have a linux-compatible interface. i'm running ubuntu 11.10 with an alesis io2 and it works very well for tracking. not sure if i'd want to master with it, though.
Post by: KitC on April 03, 2012, 10:31:33 AM
Post by: kuwerdaslapuertas on April 04, 2012, 10:38:30 AM
Thanks sa lahat ng sasagot :-(
Post by: KitC on April 04, 2012, 10:46:18 AM
I believe asio4all has not been optimized for win7 WASAPI driver protocols. I think the WDM drivers included in win7 are not as efficient as they were in XP, that's why MS was pushing for their WASAPI protocol. Unfortunately, V-AMP ang gamit mo and Behri is exceedingly poor in making asio drivers for their gear. FYI, asio works very well in win7, even 64-bit.
Post by: kuwerdaslapuertas on April 04, 2012, 11:06:19 AM
Let me guess... formerly XP with asio4all, now win7ultimate with asio4all din? This is not the first time I've encountered this.
I believe asio4all has not been optimized for win7 WASAPI driver protocols. I think the WDM drivers included in win7 are not as efficient as they were in XP, that's why MS was pushing for their WASAPI protocol. Unfortunately, V-AMP ang gamit mo and Behri is exceedingly poor in making asio drivers for their gear. FYI, asio works very well in win7, even 64-bit.
Actually Sir KitC, windows 7 starter siya before. if I remember it correctly, ASIO4ALL was also installed in my laptop cause it came with my FL9. First time nangyari sakin to and it's very frustrating :cry: What do I do Sir KitC? Do I need to replace my OS with starter again? It's kinda slow and hindi masyado customizable..
Post by: KitC on April 04, 2012, 10:50:41 PM
Post by: kuwerdaslapuertas on April 05, 2012, 09:22:49 AM
Post by: KitC on April 06, 2012, 12:14:54 PM
Post by: e-guitar on April 11, 2012, 07:52:38 AM
yung ganto:
(http://www.behringer.com/assets/UCG102_P0198_Reflective_web.png)
or ano po kaya mga recording interface na pwede niyo marecommend beside dito na readily available sa Philippine market?? Thanks po!
Post by: skin on April 11, 2012, 11:46:21 AM
Meron sa Robinsons Galeria.
Post by: jake z on April 29, 2012, 08:50:51 PM
Finally, I got myself a toneport ux1 - I just noticed earlier that there's a letency when I'm recording.
Here's the laptops specs:
Intel i3
2gb ram
700gb hdd
And my daw is sonar 8.
Hope to hear from you soon.
Thanks.
Post by: skin on April 30, 2012, 09:29:47 AM
Hi guys,
Finally, I got myself a toneport ux1 - I just noticed earlier that there's a letency when I'm recording.
Here's the laptops specs:
Intel i3
2gb ram
700gb hdd
And my daw is sonar 8.
Hope to hear from you soon.
Thanks.
Install drivers from asio4all.com and under audio interface choose asio4all.
Post by: jake z on April 30, 2012, 09:57:59 AM
Post by: skin on April 30, 2012, 11:37:16 AM
I do have asio installed, the driver that's selected on sonar is wdm/wks. So that's what I'm replacins with the asio right? Thanks.
Choose asio instead of wdm.
Post by: jake z on May 01, 2012, 01:13:33 PM
Post by: KitC on May 04, 2012, 07:48:40 AM
Post by: jake z on June 03, 2012, 01:12:59 PM
Just got my guitar rig 3. But I'm having bad latency while using it.
The audio midi settings is at asio,set on 4400 bit and the output latency is at 54ms.
Can you recommened a good setting for it?
Thank you much.
Post by: KitC on June 04, 2012, 09:07:10 AM
Post by: jake z on June 04, 2012, 11:28:22 AM
Before I was using gearbox, pod farm, and amplitube without no latency.
But ill try working on the guitar rig later.
Post by: KitC on June 05, 2012, 10:03:43 AM
Post by: haxo55 on June 06, 2012, 03:41:14 AM
drum mics gusto ko sana yung mamanipulate ko fully kada mic per tom/snare/etc etc,
all i have here nga pala is a laptop with sonar le, bose speakers and a 5 pc drum crash/ride/hats pa lang meron for now.
thanks
Post by: KitC on June 06, 2012, 08:46:24 AM
The most convenient setup is a 4 mic setup with a snare mic, kick mic and 2 overheads. This will allow you to use a 4-mic input interface, which can be a little bit steep compared to most other entry level audio interfaces. The best would be an 8 mic input interface a la the M-audio Fast Track 8R. Add to that the cost of (long) mic cables, and headphones for monitoring/talkback (plus maybe a headphone amp for long cable runs from the interface to recording position).
Post by: norm17 on June 06, 2012, 03:48:53 PM
Ok.... rather than set up a tutorial thread, let's make this into a Q & A sort of thread and the emphasis will be on setting up your PC regardless of the specs. Remember, however, that some pc configurations are not compatible with audio no matter what you do. Also remember that most pc's coming out today have a decided slant towards powerful video capabilities, something which often conflicts with glitch-free audio performance. If you are decided about great audio performance, you will have to give up great video performance (which means you will have to give up that 8800GTXProMillenium+1 and go for a considerably less powerful vidcard).
I know this thread will get unusually long so I will be adding to it as time progresses. Any pertinent info will be added to this initial post and I suggest that anyone posting new questions refer to this first post so we can avoid duplication.
Let's start...
One of the most important considerations when choosing a pc for recording happens to be not the pc, but the SOFTWARE.
Strange, but true. It is the software that determines what soundcard you will use, and what the minimum requirements are for running that software. Word of advice about minimum requirements... follow that and your pc/software combi will function, but just barely. You need to factor something like 150% of the minimum just to have something workable; so if the minimum cpu is 1 GHz, you really need at least 1.5 GHz to be able to do any real work... 200% to 300% of minimum is suggested.
Software also determines the platform you will use. Sonar, Audition, Wavelab and Soundforge are strictly pc while Logic, Digital Performer, Bias Peak and Soundhack are mac. ProTools, Cubase and Nuendo are dual-platform applications. Let's not turn this thread into a mac vs. pc thread because, in my view, these are nothing but tools... machines that are designed for a purpose. Each has it's strengths and weaknesses and I'd rather we concentrate on how we can maximize the usefulness of these tools. No mac vs. pc flame wars, get it?
Now that you've decided your software, if you do some digging into its feature, you will often find a list of compatible soundcards that go with it. Please, please choose a soundcard with a known compatibility. If you decide to use that cheap 300 peso CMI soundcard or USB cdrking sound dongle, your on your own. I have nothing against using inexpensive gear but often you will find that support is sometimes non-existent or that drivers are POS and are hardly updated. To add insult to injury, the performance of these cheap cards are often not up to par and sound quality often suffers. You CAN use these cards (I did not say you can't), but you will have to work extra hard to get even demo quality sound from them so if you decide to go that route, don't forget that I told you so. I have used soundblaster cards early in my delvings into digital audio and over the years, my ears have become attuned to what they can do well, and what they cannot. I will say that blasters are good for learning the craft.
Now, finally, the pc...
So you got your software and you've chosen your soundcard... now what? Put it all in that pre-assembled pc and then click on that record button in your software and hope you nail that perfect take? NOT!
Most pre-assembled pcs skimp on some important very important parts like the motherboard, ram, vidcard, power supply... you name it. Even Dells are guilty of this fact plus, pre-assembleds are more tuned towards office applications and the occasional game or 2. Audio pcs are a different breed. Audio pcs eschew 3D video performance in favor of increased audio capability. Capabilities like low latency, high track counts, quiet operation and very good 2D screen redraw performance (playback of movie videos is also a consideration for post production suites).
Some soundcards are also picky about the motherboard chipset. Research well on the chipsets that go with your soundcard. You don't want a repeat of that Via debacle that happened with soundblasters. Via chipsets starting with the KT166 were horrible with computer audio; it was only with the K8T800 Pro chipset that Via redeemed itself. Intel chipsets were stable with the i865 chipset, but the i915 and i925 were disappointing for some; the present 975XBX and 965P chipsets are proving to be very good performers. Nforce chipsets were quite good up to Nforce3, the Nforce4 was a disappointment plus the combination of pcie proved to be a real problem. If you already have chosen your software, it pays to lurk in their user forums since they often post which motherboards work well - that's how I happened to choose my present day N3 mobo.
So what does this mean for most pc-based platforms? DIY systems are the way to go. You get to choose your own parts and you can most likely get the best and most compatible components for your needs. At times you can save a lot by going DIY but you then have the responsibility of installing the OS, tweaking it for audio and installing all the software and hardware; a process that can take 2 or 3 days at least. Mac users have it easy, their machines just work out of the box but they have to pay for that ease of use (I call it the 2:1 ratio but lets not go into that).
There are lots more to discuss but let's take it one step at a time.
hi sir KitC thanks for this post...it's very informative :)
Post by: haxo55 on June 07, 2012, 03:37:57 PM
Post by: KitC on June 08, 2012, 04:56:40 PM
Post by: niroh on June 16, 2012, 12:19:24 PM
sa audio interfaces? :?
Post by: skin on June 16, 2012, 01:02:00 PM
Sir KitC thank you po sa info! :-D what a big help. . ., nasabi nyo po ang about sa soundcard. . . how about po sa
sa audio interfaces? :?
Sound card = audio interface
Post by: KitC on June 16, 2012, 03:43:22 PM
So, whenever we are referring to soundcards, you can be sure that these are expansion boards that reside inside a computer, while usb and firewire audio devices can be referred to as audio interfaces.
Post by: joshuacarlos on June 26, 2012, 11:00:29 AM
Post by: jake z on June 26, 2012, 11:34:50 AM
Post by: joshuacarlos on June 27, 2012, 01:19:12 PM
Post by: KitC on June 27, 2012, 08:52:12 PM
and here: http://abletonlife.com/top-5-free-vst-plugins-for-ableton-live
I used to use digitalfishphones Blockfish compressor a lot, until I got VC64 which came with Sonar.
Post by: pualux on June 28, 2012, 06:00:29 AM
plano ko kasi gamiting permanent na soundcard para kahit nagyoyoutube ako gamit ko parin studio monitors...wala bang masisira?
Post by: Xelly on June 28, 2012, 08:16:26 AM
boss ok lang ba laging naka on yung usb audio interface? specifically yung bus powered na interface
plano ko kasi gamiting permanent na soundcard para kahit nagyoyoutube ako gamit ko parin studio monitors...wala bang masisira?
ganyan setup ko ngayon bro. hindi dapat masisira yung audio interface mo kasi designed yan dapat na naka-on ng maraming oras.
Post by: chocotech27 on June 28, 2012, 12:10:09 PM
one more,,, pwede ba pag sa bayin ang sonar at guitar rig i mean gagamitin mo sya for recording sa sonar?
Post by: jake z on June 28, 2012, 01:07:18 PM
And you can use them both the same time.
Post by: chocotech27 on June 28, 2012, 01:46:30 PM
Yes its very possible. Check input monitoring so that you can hear it on sonar too.
And you can use them both the same time.
Thanks sir... yung isa ko pang question sir kung tutunog ba sya kahit Guitar cable to headphone plug lang ang gamit ko, or kylangan ko pa nung USB interface?? :-) thanks sir! ^-^
Post by: KitC on June 29, 2012, 05:40:14 PM
pwede ba pag sa bayin ang sonar at guitar rig i mean gagamitin mo sya for recording sa sonar?
you can use Guitar Rig within Sonar as a vst fx.
Thanks sir... yung isa ko pang question sir kung tutunog ba sya kahit Guitar cable to headphone plug lang ang gamit ko, or kylangan ko pa nung USB interface?? :-) thanks sir! ^-^
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guitar cable straight to line or mic input? kapag line input, impedance mismatch. madaling mag distort ang signal at mahina ang gain. pag mic input, shorted ang +5VDC to ground - you risk killing the mic input with some laptops.
Post by: pualux on July 01, 2012, 06:43:42 PM
ganyan setup ko ngayon bro. hindi dapat masisira yung audio interface mo kasi designed yan dapat na naka-on ng maraming oras.salamat boss!
Post by: alittleless16 on July 09, 2012, 02:03:01 AM
I'm experiencing input delay kasi. I'm using Adobe Soundbooth. Naalala ko naginstall na ako ng ASIO drivers. Yung guitar ko po nakasaksak sa jack(parang converter) na nakasaksak naman dun sa blue input sa mobo ko.
Please advise on how to fix it. Thanks!
Post by: KitC on July 09, 2012, 01:10:52 PM
I'm experiencing input delay kasi. I'm using Adobe Soundbooth. Naalala ko naginstall na ako ng ASIO drivers. Yung guitar ko po nakasaksak sa jack(parang converter) na nakasaksak naman dun sa blue input sa mobo ko.
ugh... you're using the line in with a direct cable probably. this will cause your sound to change and this setup easily overloads the input - better if you have a proper interface such as the ones from Line6 or similar.
since you're using your mobo and not a true interface, your asio performance will not be optimal. try substituting asio4all drivers and work from there. some say there is a marked improvement in latency, but having used true asio drivers, I'll stick with a real interface.
Post by: alittleless16 on July 11, 2012, 03:01:46 AM
Post by: Xelly on July 11, 2012, 09:05:15 AM
Thanks for replying sir. Actually naginstall nga ako ng ASIO4all kaso wala improvement. Magkano po yung interface?
Depende bro sa interface na bibilhin mo. Napakar :-)aming klase ng audio interface from 1-input(Line6 UX1) to 32-inputs(Behringer X32)s. Meron ding may built-in mic(Samson G-track) or may built-in multiFX(Line6 X3live). Kung nag-Uumpisa ka plang bro go for Line6 UX1. Marami ka nang magagawa dun. :-)
Post by: KitC on July 11, 2012, 11:57:34 AM
Thanks for replying sir. Actually naginstall nga ako ng ASIO4all kaso wala improvement.
You're working within the limitations of your motherboard's audio drivers and as you can see, the onboard audio is not an optimal recording device. Practically speaking, onboard audio is mostly geared for audio playback and not recording.
As for the interface, like Xelly says, the UX1 is a good choice for beginners. Are you using a guitar amp with a line level output? You can use that direct with the line in, but a word of caution... if you do not know how to identify a line level out from other kinds of outs with your amp, stick to getting an interface. You might end up burning your mobo if you plug in the wrong output.
Post by: pualux on July 11, 2012, 08:46:37 PM
Post by: jake z on July 12, 2012, 10:14:04 PM
Thanks
Post by: KitC on July 13, 2012, 11:06:01 AM
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Post by: jake z on July 13, 2012, 12:33:22 PM
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Post by: janryl0016 on July 16, 2012, 03:11:49 AM
i got a Bass Guitar, a Laptop which is a Sony Vaio on 64bit with sub-woofer and speakers. And I do all my bass lessons and bass playing here at home since i don't have a good sounding bass amplifier.
My Setup is Direct Input to the mic using 3.5mm jack.
Well my question is:
Every time that my guitar cable is being touched or because of my playing movements it does make scratchy sound , yes because the 3.5mm jack is not on a stable position, i mean it can be move clockwise or counterclockwise and that's the reason of the scratchy sound,
well i'm planning to buy Behringer Guitar Link UCG102, pero pareho lang ba if compared to the 3.5mm jack?
* Guitar - Cable - 3.5mm jack - PC
* Guitar - Cable - Guitar Link - PC
gagamitin ko yung guitar link as a 3.5mm jack (Direct Input) puwede kaya yun? :?
kasi most of times, plug and play kasi ginagawa ko eh, plug my guitar to PC, tapos play music on Itunes then sasabayan ko nalang. Yung Guitar Link kaya? :oops: although my software na kasama yung G-Link puwede rin kaya Alt+Tab'n yun? :-(
Post by: skin on July 16, 2012, 07:55:14 AM
Hi Sir Kit, can i ask you a few question :-\
i got a Bass Guitar, a Laptop which is a Sony Vaio on 64bit with sub-woofer and speakers. And I do all my bass lessons and bass playing here at home since i don't have a good sounding bass amplifier.
My Setup is Direct Input to the mic using 3.5mm jack.
Well my question is:
Every time that my guitar cable is being touched or because of my playing movements it does make scratchy sound , yes because the 3.5mm jack is not on a stable position, i mean it can be move clockwise or counterclockwise and that's the reason of the scratchy sound,
well i'm planning to buy Behringer Guitar Link UCG102, pero pareho lang ba if compared to the 3.5mm jack?
* Guitar - Cable - 3.5mm jack - PC
* Guitar - Cable - Guitar Link - PC
gagamitin ko yung guitar link as a 3.5mm jack (Direct Input) puwede kaya yun? :?
kasi most of times, plug and play kasi ginagawa ko eh, plug my guitar to PC, tapos play music on Itunes then sasabayan ko nalang. Yung Guitar Link kaya? :oops: although my software na kasama yung G-Link puwede rin kaya Alt+Tab'n yun? :-(
Naku put a tape on that mic input sa laptop mo.
Get the Behringer Guitar Link. For your ground issues, try another cable. Or puede rin yung jack sa bass guitar mo ang may issue.
Post by: janryl0016 on July 16, 2012, 09:22:54 AM
Naku put a tape on that mic input sa laptop mo.
Get the Behringer Guitar Link. For your ground issues, try another cable. Or puede rin yung jack sa bass guitar mo ang may issue.
di naman ganun ka grabe eh.. mejo loose lang yung adapter.. waiting for sir kit to answer.. good day to us all..
Post by: skin on July 16, 2012, 04:24:08 PM
di naman ganun ka grabe eh.. mejo loose lang yung adapter.. waiting for sir kit to answer.. good day to us all..
you don't trust my answer?...hehe...
Post by: jake z on July 16, 2012, 04:33:35 PM
peace :mrgreen:
Post by: janryl0016 on July 16, 2012, 10:27:39 PM
you don't trust my answer?...hehe...
lol :lol:, pacheck ko nalang muna wiring ko.. pero yung behringer ba sir, puwedeng gamitin ba?, or i should say .. diba it comes with a software.. pag clinose ba yung software gagana pa rin ba yung behringer,, di ko nmn magagamit yung mga effects dun masyado eh,... i prefer itunes.. play some music taz sasabay ... puwede kaya?.. hmmmm :-\
Post by: KitC on July 17, 2012, 10:09:24 AM
Post by: skin on July 17, 2012, 11:50:43 AM
lol :lol:, pacheck ko nalang muna wiring ko.. pero yung behringer ba sir, puwedeng gamitin ba?, or i should say .. diba it comes with a software.. pag clinose ba yung software gagana pa rin ba yung behringer,, di ko nmn magagamit yung mga effects dun masyado eh,... i prefer itunes.. play some music taz sasabay ... puwede kaya?.. hmmmm :-\
I always use ASIO for my drivers. What I usually do kung may gusto akong sabayan, naka track na yung music sa DAW ko tapos sabayan ko lang. Pero outside the DAW, wala na sound. Sa WDM puede.
Post by: janryl0016 on July 17, 2012, 04:00:06 PM
I always use ASIO for my drivers. What I usually do kung may gusto akong sabayan, naka track na yung music sa DAW ko tapos sabayan ko lang. Pero outside the DAW, wala na sound. Sa WDM puede.
ahhhh....pero beside behringer sir, ano pa ba puwedeng gamitin as a DI? tama ba pagkakatanong ko? :eek:
Post by: skin on July 18, 2012, 05:58:05 AM
ahhhh....pero beside behringer sir, ano pa ba puwedeng gamitin as a DI? tama ba pagkakatanong ko? :eek:
Puede yung guitar link.
Post by: mokie on July 18, 2012, 09:01:55 AM
ok lang ba kung hindi naka Texas Instruments Chipset yung Firewire IEEE 1394 add on card yung bibilhin ko for my presonus firestudio project?sa pc ko po ikakabit. thanks!
Post by: KitC on July 18, 2012, 12:07:52 PM
ok lang ba kung hindi naka Texas Instruments Chipset yung Firewire IEEE 1394 add on card yung bibilhin ko for my presonus firestudio project?sa pc ko po ikakabit. thanks!
TI chipsets are the most recommended for firewire audio but others have had varying degrees of success with other chips. If it works for you, then good, but if it doesn't, make sure you can replace the card if needed.
Post by: KitC on July 18, 2012, 12:19:23 PM
lol :lol:, pacheck ko nalang muna wiring ko.. pero yung behringer ba sir, puwedeng gamitin ba?, or i should say .. diba it comes with a software.. pag clinose ba yung software gagana pa rin ba yung behringer,, di ko nmn magagamit yung mga effects dun masyado eh,...
Depends on how you configure your system.
On mine, for ex., I can keep onboard sound enabled but playing only media players such as itunes, vlc and other, but my music apps access my audio soundcard exclusively. I can play audio through both systems simultaneously ( I once had 3 separate audio cards on top of my onboard sound working at one time); and my audio interface (Emu 1820m) allows me to play asio and wdm simultaneously! How many systems can do that? :-D
On winxp, you can set things up so that your audio interface is not mapped through the windows system so that windows sounds do not access the audio card. In win7, the equivalent is granting applications exclusive control over the device.
The only caveat is that you will need a way to route audio from the motherboard and interface into your monitoring system. One way is to use the mobo's digital output and route that into your interface's digital input if it has one. The only caveat is that samplerate is dictated by the mobo output so you might have to sync to an inferior clock. If you have a mixer or some other form of monitor matrix controller, you can route several audio sources into a single monitoring system.
Post by: janryl0016 on July 18, 2012, 07:07:47 PM
Puede yung guitar link.
ui puwede pala, search search muna ko for more reviews, Thanks sir Skin! :wave:
Post by: mokie on July 18, 2012, 07:12:43 PM
maraming salamat!
Post by: skin on July 19, 2012, 08:31:56 AM
hi mga sir, ask ko lang kung pwede ba to magwork para sa desktop? http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000I20QSQ/ref=asc_df_B000I20QSQ2101654?smid=A1QGIDACEIIO9M&tag=nextagusmp0359847-20&linkCode=asn&creative=395105&creativeASIN=B000I20QSQ
maraming salamat!
Why would you want a PCMCIA card on your desktop? Why not buy a PCI card with a Firewire interface. It's more logical.
Post by: KitC on July 19, 2012, 09:38:01 AM
a simple firewire card is better for the desktop since it lessens complexity with your system. just make sure you get the right port since FW400 and FW800 are worlds apart.
Post by: alittleless16 on July 19, 2012, 06:09:29 PM
Post by: skin on July 20, 2012, 01:26:59 AM
bale ano pinaka magandang(mura na din) alternative sa 3.5mm jack?
Ano ang mura sa iyo? Behringer Guitar Link costs around 2K. M-Audio Fast Track or Line6 UX1 costs around 5K.
But these are 1/4th plug inputs. If you are using a desktop and you want a really cheap alternative, look for an SBlive soundcard. It has a 1/8th line-in input. Costs around 500 or less 2nd hand.
Post by: alittleless16 on July 20, 2012, 03:09:22 PM
Ano ang mura sa iyo? Behringer Guitar Link costs around 2K. M-Audio Fast Track or Line6 UX1 costs around 5K.
But these are 1/4th plug inputs. If you are using a desktop and you want a really cheap alternative, look for an SBlive soundcard. It has a 1/8th line-in input. Costs around 500 or less 2nd hand.
thank you sir! 500 is actually good. Tried to take care of the latency with the ASIO4ALL kaso wala din e.
Post by: secretavenger234 on July 25, 2012, 10:47:11 AM
I got plenty of options like this MSI Wind Top Ae2210 ...
CPU
Intel ® Core i3 2120 (3.3GHz)
OS
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium 64 bit
Chipset
Intel H61
Memory
4GB DDR3
Graphics
1.Integrated Intel® HD Graphics 2000
Panel Resolution
21.5” 1920 x 1080, Full-HD
Touch Panel
Multi Touch (Optional)
HDD 1TB
Optical Drive
Tray-in DVD Super Multi
Audio
THX TRUSTUDIO PRO™
LAN
10/100/1000
Wireless LAN
802.11 b/g/n WiFi
Bluetooth N/A
USB 3.0 port
2 (1 Port with Super Charger)
USB 2.0 port
4
Card Reader YES
eSATA N/A
TV Tuner
Mini PCI-E interface (Optional)
Expansion Slot
Mini-PCI-E slots x 2
HDMI in N/A
HDMI out
1
VGA in N/A
VGA out N/A
DVI-out N/A
COM Port N/A
Mic-in/Headphone-out
1/1
AC Adapter
120W / 150W
Will this do??
Post by: jake z on July 25, 2012, 10:57:16 AM
You can always check your daw's requirements, once you hace it, its much better you can get 2 step higher so you'll have plenty of room for adjustments.
Happy recording!:)
Post by: secretavenger234 on July 25, 2012, 11:58:54 AM
Yup it should work. Not unless you are planning to record massive tracks.
You can always check your daw's requirements, once you hace it, its much better you can get 2 step higher so you'll have plenty of room for adjustments.
Happy recording!:)
What's daw? :p This thing is only for guitars and bass tracks recording... And drum tracks (For Mixing only)
Will it do? Coupled with Protool and M-audio or presonus interface??
Post by: secretavenger234 on July 25, 2012, 12:02:59 PM
Yup it should work. Not unless you are planning to record massive tracks.
You can always check your daw's requirements, once you hace it, its much better you can get 2 step higher so you'll have plenty of room for adjustments.
Happy recording!:)
What's daw? :p This thing is only for guitars and bass tracks recording... And drum tracks (For Mixing only)
Will it do? Coupled with Protool and M-audio or presonus interface??
Post by: skin on July 25, 2012, 12:05:08 PM
What's daw? :p This thing is only for guitars and bass tracks recording... And drum tracks (For Mixing only)
Will it do? Coupled with Protool and M-audio or presonus interface??
Digital Audio Workstation.
Kayang kaya na with your specs.
Post by: jake z on July 25, 2012, 12:08:38 PM
That specs you have or planning to have is already good.
For me I'm using an intel i3 fujitsu lifebook, 500gbhd and a 2 gig ram bundle with sonar 8 and line 6 apps. It sure gets the work done.
Post by: secretavenger234 on July 25, 2012, 12:16:00 PM
Post by: skin on July 25, 2012, 01:50:33 PM
:) :) Thanks a lot... Well any interface that you would recommend for Home Based recording? Yeah. I just figured that i'll save lots of money with this. While as for drum recording, it shall be done in a studio and just gonna copy the track to be edited, mixed in my rig. For some other parts like guitar 1 , guitar 2 , bass and vocal tracks, i guess it'll be good enough for a DIY recording... Been planning USB interface like M- audio's Fast Track interface, Fast Track Pro, Fast Track C400... But anything more you want to add up on my options?
You can also check out Line6 UX1 / UX2.
You should also consider buying studio monitors and microphones.
Post by: secretavenger234 on July 25, 2012, 07:35:19 PM
Post by: el.sol on August 01, 2012, 08:32:56 PM
DAW: reaper. interface: tascam US1800. inputs:upto 14 simultaeneously (with FX on)
Im planning to use my interface for live setup.like triggering my drum tracks, adding VST amps, using reverbs, preamps, etc with my DAW before going to my PA system.
the prob is im having clicking sound kung marami na maxadong tracks then nka.on yung FX nila.. then my computer hangs. Ive discussed with sir KitC na it might be my computer's specs that's no longer enough to suit my recording needs.
can anybody suggest kung ano kelangan ko na specs for this apps.. BTW, im quite tight on budget, cguro below 20K will do.PC lang po. medjo ignorant ako sa mac eh..
I would really appreciate your replies. thanks!
God bless! :-D
Post by: jake z on August 01, 2012, 10:01:19 PM
Probably mac would be the best options, like what periphery does, they're using a mac for their effects and other tracks when performing.
Siguro try nten match yung specs ng mac to a pc, para atleast my basis.
Post by: skin on August 02, 2012, 10:03:48 AM
Hi guys, Im planning to upgrade my w7 core2duo DDR2 AMD 4GBram PC to something higher. any suggestions?
DAW: reaper. interface: tascam US1800. inputs:upto 14 [ice cream] (with FX on)
Im planning to use my interface for live setup.like triggering my drum tracks, adding VST amps, using reverbs, preamps, etc with my DAW before going to my PA system.
the prob is im having clicking sound kung marami na maxadong tracks then nka.on yung FX nila.. then my computer hangs. Ive discussed with sir KitC na it might be my computer's specs that's no longer enough to suit my recording needs.
can anybody suggest kung ano kelangan ko na specs for this apps.. BTW, im quite tight on budget, cguro below 20K will do.PC lang po. medjo ignorant ako sa mac eh..
I would really appreciate your replies. thanks!
God bless! :-D
Try getting a separate PCI card with USB 2.0 slots and plug your Tascam US1800 there. Check if you still have crackling sounds. Are you on ASIO or WDM?
Post by: el.sol on August 02, 2012, 05:27:54 PM
Post by: IamChainess on August 02, 2012, 11:58:29 PM
* Guitar - Cable - 3.5mm jack - PC
* Guitar - Cable - Guitar Link - PC
Sir KitC, regarding this, pwede po bang ang set-up eh
Guitar - Cable - Effects - Cable - Amp - Cable - Guitar Link - PC? :cute:
Post by: KitC on August 03, 2012, 12:16:34 AM
In theory, when using pedal fx, you can go guitar - cable - fx - cable - guitar link - pc
When using multifx, the output that goes to the guitar amp should be cabled to the guitar link. If you want to monitor the signal, connect the guitar link headphone out to your amp's stereo aux in or line in if it has one.
As you can see in the examples above, the amp is completely disregarded because the assumption is that you will want to use amp simulators. What kind of amp do you have and what are its outputs and auxes?
Post by: IamChainess on August 03, 2012, 02:59:51 AM
It should be guitar - cable - guitar link - usb cable - pc.
In theory, when using pedal fx, you can go guitar - cable - fx - cable - guitar link - pc
When using multifx, the output that goes to the guitar amp should be cabled to the guitar link. If you want to monitor the signal, connect the guitar link headphone out to your amp's stereo aux in or line in if it has one.
As you can see in the examples above, the amp is completely disregarded because the assumption is that you will want to use amp simulators. What kind of amp do you have and what are its outputs and auxes?
Salamat po sir! akala ko kelangan pa ng amp. :wave: my current amp is fender reverb 20 (I dunno the exact term?) I guess I might look for a good software :lol:
Post by: skin on August 03, 2012, 07:58:40 AM
@skin: ASIO ser. how much kaya yung additional PCI USB port? what's the diff between the PCI USB port VS the on board ports in terms of performance? same naman cla USB 2.0 :-(
Ito P300 bago. http://www.tipidpc.com/viewitem.php?iid=18618598
Shared resources ang USB. I'm sure may iba ka pang nakasaksak sa USB mo. Unlike if you have PCI USB ports, just dedicate your audio device here.
For reference.
http://www.ehmac.ca/mac-iphone-ipad-ipod-help-troubleshooting/36825-usb-hub-vs-usb-pci-card-any-difference.html
Post by: secretavenger234 on August 03, 2012, 08:59:37 AM
Hey guys. Just wanna ask what specs of pc would be perfect for home recording?
I got plenty of options like this MSI Wind Top Ae2210 ...
CPU
Intel ® Core i3 2120 (3.3GHz)
OS
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium 64 bit
Chipset
Intel H61
Memory
4GB DDR3
Graphics
1.Integrated Intel® HD Graphics 2000
Panel Resolution
21.5” 1920 x 1080, Full-HD
Touch Panel
Multi Touch (Optional)
HDD 1TB
Optical Drive
Tray-in DVD Super Multi
Audio
THX TRUSTUDIO PRO™
LAN
10/100/1000
Wireless LAN
802.11 b/g/n WiFi
Bluetooth N/A
USB 3.0 port
2 (1 Port with Super Charger)
USB 2.0 port
4
Card Reader YES
eSATA N/A
TV Tuner
Mini PCI-E interface (Optional)
Expansion Slot
Mini-PCI-E slots x 2
HDMI in N/A
HDMI out
1
VGA in N/A
VGA out N/A
DVI-out N/A
COM Port N/A
Mic-in/Headphone-out
1/1
AC Adapter
120W / 150W
Will this do??
What's the difference between using MAC PRO or with MAC OS and the pC that i want to buy? Someone told me that recording a sound really makes a huge discrepancy with a good OS , soundcard??? Is it really true? Im really on a budget right now and i dont know if i should dig on MAC...HELP!
Post by: KitC on August 03, 2012, 10:39:03 AM
Someone told me that recording a sound really makes a huge discrepancy with a good OS , soundcard???
The sad truth with most consumer operating systems today is that they are not optimized for the true 'real-time' requirements of multimedia recording, be it windows or macos or linux, although the latter can be optimized if you strip it down to just the needed components. There used to be tweaked versions of XP where you removed all the non-essentials such as networking, internet, and certain hardware not required for multimedia. For example, why put in a powerful video card when you are specializing the computer for audio? Video card drivers have been known to use up every last bit of cpu headroom just to achieve high frame rates.
Next, having great drivers are very important. Standard windows drivers are so-so; they were just meant for good audio playback with low regard for latency. Asio drivers appear to be the best standard nowadays so any audio card that doesn't support asio is almost always a 2nd or 3rd rate device.
If you will be using your pc for more than just audio, be aware that there will be compromises, but at least try to get the best audio interface you can afford that supports true asio, not asio4all. Next, get the best cpu you can afford and pair it with a very good motherboard. Another important item that is often overlooked is the power supply - get one that isn't generic and is more than capable of powering up your system. You will need the added power when you have several drives. Like I always save, have at least 2 drives, one for the system, and the other for your audio files.
When it comes to ram, 2GB used to be the max, but with win 7, it seems 4gb is now the minimum. More if your are using 64-bit but not much higher if you don't use ram-intensive programs such as samplers. Get good ram, not that generic stuff and make sure you get ones with good ratings. Yes, those X-X-X-XX X.XXv CL ratings mean something and pay attention to the speed of the ram. You don't need the highest speeds and lowest ratings, those are freakishly expensive, but don't get the cheapest ram either.
Finally, get a good case with good, silent fans and excellent ventilation. You don't need case and cpu fan that sound like jet engines in full afterburner everytime you fire up your workstation.
Post by: secretavenger234 on August 03, 2012, 10:55:35 AM
Post by: KitC on August 03, 2012, 10:56:07 AM
Salamat po sir! akala ko kelangan pa ng amp. :wave: my current amp is fender reverb 20 (I dunno the exact term?) I guess I might look for a good software :lol:
Reaper is actually quite good. Been checking a freeware called Darkwave Studio but it isn't exactly intuitive for most users. One area of it reminds me of Logic's environment.
Your Fender amp doesn't have an output that can plug into your interface so the previous routings I mentioned apply.
Post by: el.sol on August 03, 2012, 04:45:02 PM
Post by: IamChainess on August 03, 2012, 08:23:08 PM
Reaper is actually quite good. Been checking a freeware called Darkwave Studio but it isn't exactly intuitive for most users. One area of it reminds me of Logic's environment.
Your Fender amp doesn't have an output that can plug into your interface so the previous routings I mentioned apply.
Salamat po sir! :)
Post by: KitC on August 03, 2012, 09:14:45 PM
@skin: ASIO ser. how much kaya yung additional PCI USB port? what's the diff between the PCI USB port VS the on board ports in terms of performance? same naman cla USB 2.0 :-(
what exactly is your motherboard? you could be using a usb 1.1 port. One more thing, you might have to check your bios since usb 2.0 is often referred to as 'Hi-speed' while usb 1.1 is 'Full speed'. Go figure.
Post by: el.sol on August 04, 2012, 06:16:34 PM
what exactly is your motherboard? you could be using a usb 1.1 port. One more thing, you might have to check your bios since usb 2.0 is often referred to as 'Hi-speed' while usb 1.1 is 'Full speed'. Go figure.
it says "high speed" I think processor na talaga to.. I can rec upto 14 tracks with no prob as long as no fx is on.
Post by: KitC on August 05, 2012, 01:41:09 PM
it says "high speed" I think processor na talaga to.. I can rec upto 14 tracks with no prob as long as no fx is on.
Rule of thumb with most systems is to record without fx on UNLESS you have dedicated hardware that have built-in DSP. PT systems do it with ease because their cards have loads of extra processors and ram that deload the cpu from this task. There are other audio interfaces that also do this aside from PT, among them some of the Focusrite interfaces and RME, I believe.
Post by: kurt_morello on August 07, 2012, 08:13:21 PM
Intel Dual Core 1.8ghz
4gb ddr2 ram
ati 64mb vga card
160 gb sata hdd
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit(di kaya ng processor ang 64 bit)
Interface: Line 6 UX1-soon to be UX2
DAW: Reaper 4
My prob is may times na umuubo(chop) siya bigla bigla habang nagrerecord or nagplayplayback when reaper is on. I don't know kung ano yung nagcacause non. Or baka sobrang mabagal lang laptop ko. I'm planning to build a desktop for recording but that will take me months to save on. Hope you can help me on this guys.
Post by: KitC on August 08, 2012, 09:47:39 AM
Partitioning the drive will also not work since that will mean that the drive heads are transitioning from one partition to another leading to further drive head latency.
Post by: kurt_morello on August 08, 2012, 10:02:41 AM
Post by: KitC on August 08, 2012, 10:49:15 AM
thanks sir Kit! so that means I'll buy an external hard drive, right? thanks!
If you mean a usb hard drive, that's not as good as having an internal drive. For one thing, drive throughput is very dependent on bus speeds and usb drives are notorious for low throughput, even usb 2.0 drives. Btw, commercially available usb drive usually have 5400 rpm drives inside.
If your laptop has a firewire port, getting a firewire external drive is the better option, but how many laptops now have firewire? You can get an expresscard firewire adapter and firewire drive, but the cost may be a little prohibitive - you may have to shop around for good deals on those. One good thing about external drives is that you can port those over to desktop systems provided those desktops have the same FW ports.
Post by: KitC on August 09, 2012, 01:43:28 PM
http://www.techpowerup.com/170135/Rain-Introduces-New-Event-A2-Mini-Audio-Computer-For-Songwriters.html
(Interface not included)
Hmmm... I could probably design the same provided we can get the parts. Interested parties feel free to contact me.
Post by: el.sol on August 22, 2012, 07:29:09 PM
before: DDR2 4gb RAM 2core AMD
now: DDR asrock usb3 8gbRAM intel i5
no more lagging/clipping/collapsing of PC when recording with lots of effects in all 14tracks simultaenously.
thanks sa tips :-D
Post by: nolit on August 22, 2012, 07:53:22 PM
I am currently upgrading my setup and considering getting that A8 Llano from AMD with APU technology. Is this the closest we could get to that Rain Computer for audio? I think its the only one available locally.
Post by: KitC on August 22, 2012, 09:42:15 PM
Anyway, I know Zotac boards are recommended for mini ATX. Here's a link for sources of mini ATX, both Intel and AMD:
http://www.mini-box.com/Socket-1155
I'd stay away from Atom solutions... not enough horsepower in those for DAW use. The site unfortunately does not have Llano solutions. Here's one:
http://pcper.com/reviews/Processors/AMD-Llano-APU-System-Build-Mini-ITX-HTPC-and-Gaming
The Asus mobo looks good; you got USB3, HDMI and displayport so you're somewhat future-proofed if you prefer this mobo. I've seen some Shuttle type cases which look good. Finding a low profile HSF might be a bit of a problem. Either that or go water cooling for a quiet system. Personally, though, for AMD I'd wait for the Trinity and FM2 mobos.
Post by: skin on August 22, 2012, 10:55:09 PM
Thanks for the link Sir KitC.
I am currently upgrading my setup and considering getting that A8 Llano from AMD with APU technology. Is this the closest we could get to that Rain Computer for audio? I think its the only one available locally.
Go for Intel!
Post by: blackmetal on August 24, 2012, 09:49:40 PM
Post by: KitC on August 25, 2012, 10:45:52 AM
Anyone here knows where I can buy a Behringer UCG 102 guitar interface? Thanks Sirs....
They sometimes post these things in the guitar classifieds or pro audio classifieds. You should find them in Jointventure's outlets in most malls. There's one in Megamall 5th flr, Bldg A.
Post by: blackmetal on August 25, 2012, 10:54:17 AM
They sometimes post these things in the guitar classifieds or pro audio classifieds. You should find them in Jointventure's outlets in most malls. There's one in Megamall 5th flr, Bldg A.
Thanks Sir Kit.....
Post by: jake z on August 27, 2012, 01:30:52 PM
Havin a hard time getting the sound, I can connect it from the aux ports but for the entire mix I can't get sounds from it.
Thanks for your replies!
Post by: KitC on August 27, 2012, 11:07:49 PM
Hi fellow netizen, just a quick question. Is it possible to connect a soundcraft spirit F1 to a ux1?
Havin a hard time getting the sound, I can connect it from the aux ports but for the entire mix I can't get sounds from it.
Thanks for your replies!
When using the aux, you have to make sure that all channels are sending to the aux output so that you may hear a representation of the mix, however, you have to make sure that the aux sends are post fader and that all aux send levels are the same.
An easier way would be to use the 1/4" monitor outs if you have your monitors connected to the XLR outputs. Assuming the 1/4" monitor outs are being used, you can use the monitor inserts with 1/4" TR PL jacks inserted up to the first click, or use the phones output with 1/4" TRS to 1/4" TR left/right Y-cable.
Post by: washburnt25 on September 17, 2012, 10:52:00 PM
Post by: gutz_3110 on September 22, 2012, 12:15:34 AM
i'm currently using the onboard soundcard of my PC. can i still use a DAW by using the it? also, can i use a MIDI via usb port w/o a dedicated soundcard? thanks.
Post by: KitC on September 24, 2012, 10:35:19 AM
i'm currently using the onboard soundcard of my PC. can i still use a DAW by using the it? also, can i use a MIDI via usb port w/o a dedicated soundcard? thanks.
In both cases, yes. The reason we prefer to use better soundcards is for better latency performance and better audio. Onboard sound, as you will find out, can be noisy relatively, and usually have high latency. Plus, if you use guitars and similar, you cannot plug directly into the onboard without a proper preamp. Some will say use the mic input... all I can say is do it at your own risk.
Post by: gutz_3110 on September 24, 2012, 10:28:08 PM
In both cases, yes. The reason we prefer to use better soundcards is for better latency performance and better audio. Onboard sound, as you will find out, can be noisy relatively, and usually have high latency. Plus, if you use guitars and similar, you cannot plug directly into the onboard without a proper preamp. Some will say use the mic input... all I can say is do it at your own risk.
thanks KitC,
do you suggest that i get an independent soundcard for this? what's your recommendation?
Post by: KitC on September 25, 2012, 10:25:39 AM
Oh yeah, since onboard sound is usually line in, you will need some sort of preamp if you don't use line level sources such as mixers and keyboards. For guitars, getting a good preamp is paramount, but then again, a lot of guitar interfaces come in usb so that may be your first soundcard in itself.
Ask yourself how many inputs you require. Are you recording voice? Guitars? A full band setup? This will dictate what kind of audio interface you require. Also, remember to put your software first in your considerations. Often, it is the software that decides what computer and soundcard you will need.
Post by: gutz_3110 on September 25, 2012, 10:06:06 PM
i'm totally new at this. don't really know where to begin. anyway, i'd like to do the ff:
1. create a some sort of backing track (drums, bassline, rhythm guitars, keys, etc.) - is there a software for this? i have sonar, but not sure if i even picked the right software for this purpose.
2. record my guitar parts using Avid Recording Studio - not also sure if i picked the right interface. i'm trying to choose a cheap interface to practice with. if there is better alternative, please do recommend me one.
3. record vox after i finalize all the the backing track.
basically, that's it. and i want to do away with the latency problem. sorry, even if i review the entire thread, i cant seem to find the answer i'm looking for. i'd like to hear what oyu and the other guys have to say. thanks again.
Post by: KitC on September 27, 2012, 03:10:16 PM
1. create a some sort of backing track (drums, bassline, rhythm guitars, keys, etc.) - is there a software for this? i have sonar, but not sure if i even picked the right software for this purpose.
Sonar is quite excellent for most purposes, but you have to learn it. You can try to record real drums, then bass, then guitar parts individually, but you have to have a multi input interface, esp. if you're tracking a complete band setup. You can do midi, but if you know nothing about that, then you have a rather steep learning curve ahead of you. BTW, midi is probably the quickest way to make your own backing tracks, but then you have to know how to sequence drums, bass, etc. There's no quick way about this.
2. record my guitar parts using Avid Recording Studio - not also sure if i picked the right interface. i'm trying to choose a cheap interface to practice with. if there is better alternative, please do recommend me one.
There are lots of better alternatives, but they can be pricey. When learning, it's best to stick with what you have for now. The beauty of Avid is that it should come with the 'industry standard' Protools.
3. record vox after i finalize all the the backing track.
Your Avid system can handle that. Do you have a mic? An SM-58 will do.
Post by: gutz_3110 on September 28, 2012, 11:39:07 PM
Sonar is quite excellent for most purposes, but you have to learn it. You can try to record real drums, then bass, then guitar parts individually, but you have to have a multi input interface, esp. if you're tracking a complete band setup. You can do midi, but if you know nothing about that, then you have a rather steep learning curve ahead of you. BTW, midi is probably the quickest way to make your own backing tracks, but then you have to know how to sequence drums, bass, etc. There's no quick way about this.
- do i need a separate software for the intsruments (drums, bass, etc?) or does sonar have it already? i still dont have a clue what sonar is all about. i'll do more reserch about it can offer.
There are lots of better alternatives, but they can be pricey. When learning, it's best to stick with what you have for now. The beauty of Avid is that it should come with the 'industry standard' Protools.
- i have none. avid is my choice because its cheap. i guess, i'll get this one for now. can i install protools along with the sonar?
Your Avid system can handle that. Do you have a mic? An SM-58 will do.
- none. but i'll check SM 58 as you suggested.
Post by: KitC on September 29, 2012, 11:00:56 AM
Yes, you can use Sonar with the Avid interface - it's just an M-audio Fast Track USB in Avid clothing. Make sure to install the asio drivers.
The SM58 I mentioned is a dynamic mic from Shure. You can use more inexpensive ones from Samson and Behringer. Just make sure to get mics that use XLR 'cannon' connectors for compatibility with the Avid. Don't get those cheap karaoke mics with 1/4" jacks.
Post by: gutz_3110 on September 29, 2012, 01:44:21 PM
i understand about the learning curve. i guess i really have to immerse myself on this entirely new (complicated) work. i'll check the session drummer as well. thanks so much for your response. it helped me a lot!
Post by: KitC on October 02, 2012, 12:27:53 PM
The important thing to remember about most sequencers is to record to a tempo as much as possible. For example, you have a guitar riff in mind; record it into sonar and use the tap tempo feature to get the tempo. Play as steadily as possible - one of the most important characteristics of mature playing is solid, consistent timing. It's also easier to add other midi instruments if everything falls to a consistent bar:beat.
Post by: crazyvoice on October 07, 2012, 05:11:42 PM
Last night, during my idle time, naisip ko biglang i plug yung Acoustic Guitar ko sa Mic Socket ng On Board Sound Card ng PC ko, then set up it
(Using cable adapter so that it will fits sa 1/4 socket( not sure!) ng Sound Card) .
Natuwa ako ng natuklasan ko na pede palang marinig yung tunog ng guitar sa speaker ( Acting like an AMP yung PC>Speaker set up).
Bigla ako napaisip kung meron guitar effects software na pede magamit sa Win.7 OS then ended up with amplitube 3.
So now here's my problem, when normally plug in then just listen without amplitube, clear naman yung tunog ng guitar thru speaker kaso medyo mahina lang kaso yung output, but when amplitube is running and apply some sort of pre load set up, dun na medyo annoying yung sound na lumalabas sa speaker. Also when I try to set-up amplitube 3 and choose ASIO device sa setting, meron lang recognize na Input Device but sa Output is wala madetect.
Just hoping that with this guitar effect software I can try out to mix some effect and come up with something peculiar tone. Saw this on youtubr http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0scRMinPboY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0scRMinPboY) he's using also an acoustic with pre-amp (i think) and make it sound like a E. guitar loaded with metal effects.
Also some are claiming that they recorded some of their piece just using On Board Sound Card and amplitube, with tolerable latency. Just want to try out first the max capability of my RIG first before considering purchasing USB interface or a decent Sound Card.
So eto na mga nagawa ko:
Got a copy of Amplitube 3
Downloaded Asio4all
On Board Sound Card plug
Post by: skin on October 08, 2012, 08:53:30 AM
Post by: crazyvoice on October 08, 2012, 08:42:56 PM
Post by: KitC on October 10, 2012, 09:39:31 AM
So now here's my problem, when normally plug in then just listen without amplitube, clear naman yung tunog ng guitar thru speaker kaso medyo mahina lang kaso yung output, but when amplitube is running and apply some sort of pre load set up, dun na medyo annoying yung sound na lumalabas sa speaker.
That is what you get for using mic in. Acoustic guitars can have different types of pickups from passive to active, but most will require some sort of preamp. Get a good preamp and attach its outputs to the LINE IN instead.
Post by: dr.distance on October 13, 2012, 11:00:01 PM
I have a Zoom G2.1u I use as an audio interface for recording guitars, and while it does have built-in effects, lets say I want to use Amplitube so I can have more control over my sound in post. Should I still use effects on the pedal like EQ/Cabinet sim to tweak the sound before it goes to the PC or do I turn all effects off?
Thanks :,D
Post by: skin on October 13, 2012, 11:37:46 PM
Hi, I just want to ask a quick question.
I have a Zoom G2.1u I use as an audio interface for recording guitars, and while it does have built-in effects, lets say I want to use Amplitube so I can have more control over my sound in post. Should I still use effects on the pedal like EQ/Cabinet sim to tweak the sound before it goes to the PC or do I turn all effects off?
Thanks :,D
Any would do since may cabinets din ang Amplitube. I prefer to record raw.
Post by: mrslow96 on October 23, 2012, 11:52:45 PM
Post by: ROCKOUST on October 24, 2012, 06:36:43 PM
Ano po ba pwde alternative na paraan para ma install ko,Creative Soundblaster X-FI Soround 5.1 PRO
sa lappy ko,di kasi compatible sa processor ko na,Intel (R)Pentium(R) Dual
CPU T2390 @1.86GHz 32-bit Win7 OS,instead na Intel Core™2 Duo processor 2.2 GHz, AMD Athlon 64x2 Dual Core or
equivalent processor,,minimum, system requirments,,,give me some advice,,tnx po!
Post by: skin on October 24, 2012, 07:32:19 PM
Sir KIt,
Ano po ba pwde alternative na paraan para ma install ko,Creative Soundblaster X-FI Soround 5.1 PRO
sa lappy ko,di kasi compatible sa processor ko na,Intel (R)Pentium(R) Dual
CPU T2390 @1.86GHz 32-bit Win7 OS,instead na Intel Core™2 Duo processor 2.2 GHz, AMD Athlon 64x2 Dual Core or
equivalent processor,,minimum, system requirments,,,give me some advice,,tnx po!
Did you even try installing it? Here are the drivers.
http://support.creative.com/Products/ProductDetails.aspx?catID=1&CatName=sound+blaster&subCatID=208&subCatName=X-Fi&prodID=14066&prodName=X-Fi+XtremeMusic
Post by: KitC on October 26, 2012, 10:59:20 AM
Install it first using the recommended drivers:
http://support.creative.com/Products/ProductDetails.aspx?catID=209&CatName=X-Fi&subCatID=208&subCatName=X-Fi&prodID=17751&prodName=X-Fi+Surround+5.1
And if that doesn't work, you can try the drivers in the link skin provided.
Post by: CCConfusion on November 01, 2012, 05:15:40 PM
Post by: skin on November 01, 2012, 06:17:43 PM
Hi Sir Kit. I wanted to use my Roland e09 as a midi controller for MiXcraft. The e09 has midi in out sockets but havent decided yet what midi cable to use. Can u suggest any midi in/out to usb cable that is compatible for this setup? Also will instill need a driver or installer for either the keyboard or midi cable? Thanks in advance.
Get the M-Audio or Yamaha usb midi cable. Even the generic ones are compatible. No drivers needed. It's plug and play.
Post by: KitC on November 03, 2012, 12:27:16 AM
Post by: bishophunks on November 08, 2012, 06:04:13 PM
balak ko din po mag record using my pc , mic and acoustic guitar lang po muna, ano po bang need para makapagsetup ng maganda at mura..
my specs are :
intel dualcore 3.0ghz
Memory : 4gb
videocard : 1gb gf210
newbie pa lang po talaga ako sa ganito setup even mga softwares,speakers,mics and amp i have no idea. kaya balak ko po muna sa is sa pc muna. gusto ko po sana songs like eh parang ganito po.. pero mukhang mahal po ito pero kung magka itsura lang...
Post by: KitC on November 13, 2012, 11:49:14 AM
The pc specs aren't specific enough for me to say if it's ok. Just having a dual core will not guarantee success if I don't know the rest of the peripherals. My gut tells me you have only one hard drive. Conventional wisdom suggests having 2 drives for audio; one for the system and the other for data.
What is your operating system? vista? Win7? Win8? XP? This will determine what you can or cannot run. The video card and cpu suggests a 4 or 5 yr old computer but this is inconsequential since you don't need powerful video for audio anyway.
While you can use onboard audio, you will probably need to add some preamps and mics since you will be recording acoustic guitar. Furthermore, how many tracks will you simultaneously record? Anything greater than 2 will require you to get a multi input audio interface. In the youtube you linked, that is easily a 3 mic setup.
As for software, try Reaper. It's very affordable and full functioned even in 'demo' mode as long as you don't mind the nags.
Post by: bishophunks on November 14, 2012, 09:17:58 AM
Sorry if I haven't replied soon enough.
The pc specs aren't specific enough for me to say if it's ok. Just having a dual core will not guarantee success if I don't know the rest of the peripherals. My gut tells me you have only one hard drive. Conventional wisdom suggests having 2 drives for audio; one for the system and the other for data.
What is your operating system? vista? Win7? Win8? XP? This will determine what you can or cannot run. The video card and cpu suggests a 4 or 5 yr old computer but this is inconsequential since you don't need powerful video for audio anyway.
While you can use onboard audio, you will probably need to add some preamps and mics since you will be recording acoustic guitar. Furthermore, how many tracks will you simultaneously record? Anything greater than 2 will require you to get a multi input audio interface. In the youtube you linked, that is easily a 3 mic setup.
As for software, try Reaper. It's very affordable and full functioned even in 'demo' mode as long as you don't mind the nags.
im using windows 7. baka meron po kayo ma suggest sakin na pinaka cheap at good quality ng preamp and cheapest multi input audio interface... meron din po kasi ako amplifier na sa tatay ko pa un nung nabubuhay voxen dolby 5.1 pro logic pero di ako marunung magtimpla at meron pa yta need ipagawa dun, at 2 speaker na 200w and 2 tweeter, kaso hindi din ako marunung magsetup ng nice song, ginagamit lang kasi po namin un kapag watch ng movies.
anyway ano po bang mag ma susuggest nyo po para sakin at kung san po ako makakamura at good quality, ipagawa ung ampli namin or buy nalang po ng preamp na mura? ung mga interface po sa cdrking maganda clase na po ba un kung gagayahin ko ung nsa youtube?
Sir maraming salamat po laking help po ito para sakin lalo na mga newbie na tulad ko po.. its my pleasure na nagreply po kayo sa aking questions. :))
Post by: skin on November 14, 2012, 10:07:54 AM
Quote
im using windows 7. baka meron po kayo ma suggest sakin na pinaka cheap at good quality ng preamp and cheapest multi input audio interface... meron din po kasi ako amplifier na sa tatay ko pa un nung nabubuhay voxen dolby 5.1 pro logic pero di ako marunung magtimpla at meron pa yta need ipagawa dun, at 2 speaker na 200w and 2 tweeter, kaso hindi din ako marunung magsetup ng nice song, ginagamit lang kasi po namin un kapag watch ng movies.
anyway ano po bang mag ma susuggest nyo po para sakin at kung san po ako makakamura at good quality, ipagawa ung ampli namin or buy nalang po ng preamp na mura? ung mga interface po sa cdrking maganda clase na po ba un kung gagayahin ko ung nsa youtube?
Sir maraming salamat po laking help po ito para sakin lalo na mga newbie na tulad ko po.. its my pleasure na nagreply po kayo sa aking questions. )
What do you play? Define cheap. Avoid CDRKING!
Post by: bishophunks on November 14, 2012, 10:15:18 AM
What do you play? Define cheap. Avoid CDRKING!
Okies Avoid CDRKING. magkano po ba ung rate ng pinaka mura at good quality na multi input audio interface/preamp and speakers kasi ganito po sana parang ganito setup.
Salamat po sa mabilisang reply. :)
Post by: Xelly on November 14, 2012, 11:00:37 AM
Post by: bishophunks on November 14, 2012, 11:07:12 AM
Bro kunin mo na yung Line6 UX1 sa classifieds ayus na yun!
Pang Pro na po yata un at medyo mahal pa siya eh.
Post by: skin on November 14, 2012, 11:23:04 AM
Okies Avoid CDRKING. magkano po ba ung rate ng pinaka mura at good quality na multi input audio interface/preamp and speakers kasi ganito po sana parang ganito setup.feature=related pero syempre ung mura lang po at maappriciate ung outcome. :) medyo baguhan at low budget po kasi.
Salamat po sa mabilisang reply. :)
Based on the video you would be needing a mixer or multitrack audio interface. Gusto mo ba multitrack recording in which on the video you'll be needing 3 inputs and you can edit these tracks on post production, or stereo lang input sa computer?
Post by: bishophunks on November 14, 2012, 11:31:10 AM
Based on the video you would be needing a mixer or multitrack audio interface. Gusto mo ba multitrack recording in which on the video you'll be needing 3 inputs and you can edit these tracks on post production, or stereo lang input sa computer?
yung stereo input sa computer lng po muna tpos much better kung magagamit din sa recording sa loob lng bahay. hihi!
Post by: crazyvoice on November 14, 2012, 11:56:39 AM
Anyone who has use Amplitube as actual effects in a Gig? Stable ba siya? Recently ginagamit ko siya for my Acoustic Guitar and surprisingly it works like wonder and sound like an actual E.guitar The only Problem I have is the Buzzing sound even I don't strum which is latency I believe.
My set up is Acoustic > Line-In( On Board Sound Card w/ ASIO4ALL- Desktop)> Then 5.1 Speaker sometimes sa Laney Amp ko. Will buying a Cheap USB Interface can do something?
By the way since I've enjoying this software I planning to install it to my Itouch and try if kaya niya kahit sa casual Jam lang or mas ok yung output niya using my Itouch.
Post by: Xelly on November 14, 2012, 12:51:10 PM
Pang Pro na po yata un at medyo mahal pa siya eh.
Yan yung pinakabasic na audio interface ng Line6 bro wala nang masmumura pa dun. Kung gusto mo masmura pa try mo Behringer UCA202 pero bitin na yun.
Post by: KitC on November 14, 2012, 03:16:30 PM
@bishophunks - for stereo input, get a mixer. This means you will be working off the stereo feed of the mixer which in turn means less flexibility during recording. It's very difficult to overdub to a stereo mix. You may not need the UCA since most computer line inputs can accept the line level out of the mixer. One more thing, when recording a stereo mix, the performance has to be right on first take or you have to re-do everything from the top. Like I said, you cannot overdub to a stereo mix. A multi-input interface would be better but more expensive. The Line6 is ok for single electric guitar and mic combination. To use 2 mics, you will need an additional preamp.
Post by: Xelly on November 15, 2012, 07:17:34 PM
@crazyvoice _ I suggest creating your own thread as it will garner more specific responses tailored for live use of plugins. This sticky is more generalized towards computer recording.+1
@bishophunks - for stereo input, get a mixer. This means you will be working off the stereo feed of the mixer which in turn means less flexibility during recording. It's very difficult to overdub to a stereo mix. You may not need the UCA since most computer line inputs can accept the line level out of the mixer. One more thing, when recording a stereo mix, the performance has to be right on first take or you have to re-do everything from the top. Like I said, you cannot overdub to a stereo mix. A multi-input interface would be better but more expensive. The Line6 is ok for single electric guitar and mic combination. To use 2 mics, you will need an additional preamp.
Not sure if this is the right thread for this but, will just try
Anyone who has use Amplitube as actual effects in a Gig? Stable ba siya? Recently ginagamit ko siya for my Acoustic Guitar and surprisingly it works like wonder and sound like an actual E.guitar The only Problem I have is the Buzzing sound even I don't strum which is latency I believe.
My set up is Acoustic > Line-In( On Board Sound Card w/ ASIO4ALL- Desktop)> Then 5.1 Speaker sometimes sa Laney Amp ko. Will buying a Cheap USB Interface can do something?
By the way since I've enjoying this software I planning to install it to my Itouch and try if kaya niya kahit sa casual Jam lang or mas ok yung output niya using my Itouch.
Ang alam ko bro may thread na ganito sa Guitar Central buhayin mo na!! :-D
Post by: 123kidd on November 16, 2012, 07:36:33 PM
Salamat po ng madami! God bless!
Post by: KitC on November 17, 2012, 11:01:04 AM
As for the i5, you have to pair it up with good ram and a good motherboard. Some people prefer Asus, but I've had some probs with recent Asus boards over the years... same with MSI. Best for now are Gigabyte boards. For ram, get branded ram with good specs and go at least 4 gigs - win7 64-bit somewhat struggles at 2 gigs. Make sure to power these up with a good PSU as well - no generic power supplies please!
As for obsolescence, any design now will last maybe 2 or 3 years at the most. Just build your DAW for now, stock it up with a mature OS like win7 (not win8 yet!). If you decide 64-bit, make sure most of your software can support it. If not, stick to 32-bit for the most part,or even go XP as I find this to support a majority of hardware plus some very good audio interfaces from a few years back.
Post by: skin on November 17, 2012, 11:08:41 AM
Hello! good day sa lahat! Pa- advice naman mga sir! Im planning to buy new computer set up, im thinking to buy amd 8core, pero napapaisip ako kung ok ba ba to sa recording? or intel i5? medyo mura kase amd kaso natatakot ako baka di tumagal, pa advice naman sir kung anong magandang set up, sa tamang budget lang,
Salamat po ng madami! God bless!
Mag Intel ka.
Post by: Xelly on November 19, 2012, 04:59:45 PM
Post by: bishophunks on November 21, 2012, 04:46:18 PM
Behringer C1 condenser mic and Xenyx 502 mixer.
ask ko lang po kung maganda na po ba ito para sa acoustic session. hehe!. kahit 2mic and 1 guitar?
note: tapos kung pwede na din po bang home recording ito? . :)
Post by: jake z on November 21, 2012, 07:40:46 PM
Post by: bishophunks on November 22, 2012, 10:36:00 AM
nakakita po ako ng SM58 =P500 lang at alam kong class A po ito.. pwede na ba ito gamitin pang recording or live perform. baka onti lang po ang difference sa quality kasi low badget eh.. heheh! :)
Post by: Xelly on November 22, 2012, 11:10:27 AM
@jake zulueta thank po sir.
nakakita po ako ng SM58 =P500 lang at alam kong class A po ito.. pwede na ba ito gamitin pang recording or live perform. baka onti lang po ang difference sa quality kasi low badget eh.. heheh! :)
Malaki difference sa tunog bro ng SM58 na 500php sa SM58 na 5,550php sa Audiophile.
Post by: skin on November 22, 2012, 05:21:23 PM
@jake zulueta thank po sir.
nakakita po ako ng SM58 =P500 lang at alam kong class A po ito.. pwede na ba ito gamitin pang recording or live perform. baka onti lang po ang difference sa quality kasi low badget eh.. heheh! :)
I see it as sayang lang P500 mo compared to sulit ang 5.5K mo.
Post by: nolit on November 22, 2012, 05:53:41 PM
AMD user ako bro. So far solve naman ako sa AMD. Phenom II X4 setup ko ngayon pero hopefully makaupgrade ako to 8-core next year.
Naka abang ako sa phenom x4 mo. AM2+ ba yan? hehehehe
Post by: Xelly on November 22, 2012, 06:04:05 PM
Naka abang ako sa phenom x4 mo. AM2+ ba yan? hehehehe
AM3 , Phenom II x4 965 3.4ghz , Black Edition
-yan yung specs ng processor sir. Newbie question. Ano ba difference ng AM2+ sa AM3
OT:
Sir yung Motu 8pre ko nakaabang na sa inyo. :-D
Post by: nolit on November 22, 2012, 06:13:08 PM
Me bakante kasi ako na motherboard dito na AM2.
Hehehe ok yan MOTU 8pre. Pero wag muna cguro ngaun. ang dami ko na inputs. 48 na e.
pag nandyan pa yan by january cguro baka kukunin ko na. hehehehe
Post by: Xelly on November 22, 2012, 06:18:41 PM
Iba ang socket ng AM2+ sa AM3. sayang di pala pwede sakin yan phenom mo.PM sent sir!! :-D
Me bakante kasi ako na motherboard dito na AM2.
Hehehe ok yan MOTU 8pre. Pero wag muna cguro ngaun. ang dami ko na inputs. 48 na e.
pag nandyan pa yan by january cguro baka kukunin ko na. hehehehe
Post by: mikki_blinkme on January 12, 2013, 01:24:05 PM
Post by: renkai0218 on January 12, 2013, 02:05:55 PM
I am also planning to have a basic recording for my PC. Sir KitC, I need your expertise or anyone that can help will be greatly appreciated.
Here are my PC's current specs:
Intel I5 3570 3.2 Ghz
MSI Motherboard
8gb RAM
On board Video and Sound
1TB Seagate Harddrive
Im planning to buy a M-Audio Fast Track MKII USB Audio Interface (Is that good enough for a newbie?). I am just planning to use it for my acoustic guitar and one microphone. However, I do have a Xenyx 1002 Mixer which I am planning to incorporate with the Audio Interface. How do I do that?
Please help.
Post by: skin on January 12, 2013, 04:01:29 PM
paano ba magrecord ng 2 tracks sabay pero magkahiwalay ang track? mixer:xenyx q502usb. pano icoconfig sa DAW yun? DAW: Reaper. Gusto ko separate track kada line in. Ang problema e isang track lang siya sabay. Gusto ko sana magkaibang track sila pero sabay atthe same time after magrecord ng sabay e matitimpla ko individually yung 2 separate tracks na ni-record ng sabay.
Sa mixer mo pan left 1 track and pan right 1 track. Sa Reaper ganun din sa mga input sa track settings.
Post by: mikki_blinkme on January 12, 2013, 05:33:36 PM
Sa mixer mo pan left 1 track and pan right 1 track. Sa Reaper ganun din sa mga input sa track settings.
maraming salamat sir skin. :razz:
Post by: kurt_morello on January 14, 2013, 01:57:34 PM
Good to catch this thread!
I am also planning to have a basic recording for my PC. Sir KitC, I need your expertise or anyone that can help will be greatly appreciated.
Here are my PC's current specs:
Intel I5 3570 3.2 Ghz
MSI Motherboard
8gb RAM
On board Video and Sound
1TB Seagate Harddrive
Im planning to buy a M-Audio Fast Track MKII USB Audio Interface (Is that good enough for a newbie?). I am just planning to use it for my acoustic guitar and one microphone. However, I do have a Xenyx 1002 Mixer which I am planning to incorporate with the Audio Interface. How do I do that?
Please help.
Sir I prefer getting a m-audio fast track pro na 2nd hand. But if kung pang acoustic lang talaga, I think that will suffice.
Post by: KitC on January 14, 2013, 10:51:12 PM
Im planning to buy a M-Audio Fast Track MKII USB Audio Interface (Is that good enough for a newbie?). I am just planning to use it for my acoustic guitar and one microphone. However, I do have a Xenyx 1002 Mixer which I am planning to incorporate with the Audio Interface. How do I do that?
You can bypass the Xenyx mixer once you get the M-audio. In the meantime, connect the Xenyx main outs to your computer's line inputs - the blue colored jack. Make sure to check your sample rate; most computers default to 48 kHz. This could wreak havoc if you import tracks at 44.1 kHz or another sample rate. I often keep mine at 44.1 for compatibility with most audio recordings unless higher rates are specified.
Post by: renkai0218 on January 15, 2013, 10:56:19 AM
You can bypass the Xenyx mixer once you get the M-audio. In the meantime, connect the Xenyx main outs to your computer's line inputs - the blue colored jack. Make sure to check your sample rate; most computers default to 48 kHz. This could wreak havoc if you import tracks at 44.1 kHz or another sample rate. I often keep mine at 44.1 for compatibility with most audio recordings unless higher rates are specified.
Thank you so much for the advice. I guess, will have to get the M-Audio first. Tanungin ko na lang kayo kapag ready na yung mga gamit ko. Sir KitC, what entry-level condenser microphones you can recommend? Yung cheap lang, lets say around Php 3k to 4k ang price range. Gagamitin din sana for vocals. Appreciate the help. :)
Post by: KitC on January 16, 2013, 10:57:32 AM
Sir KitC, what entry-level condenser microphones you can recommend? Yung cheap lang, lets say around Php 3k to 4k ang price range. Gagamitin din sana for vocals. Appreciate the help. :)
For that range, look for the Behringer C-series mics (C-1, C-3) - don't get the usb version! Lazer also carries the Superlux brand, I thought they also carried MXL but it's not mentioned on their site. You can also try Samson condensers from Audiophile, though I can't tell you how much these are. Most local sites are afraid to post their prices.
Post by: kurt_morello on January 16, 2013, 08:08:50 PM
For that range, look for the Behringer C-series mics (C-1, C-3) - don't get the usb version! Lazer also carries the Superlux brand, I thought they also carried MXL but it's not mentioned on their site. You can also try Samson condensers from Audiophile, though I can't tell you how much these are. Most local sites are afraid to post their prices.
got my MXL mic at lyric. :) mine is at 4k.
Post by: dr.distance on January 21, 2013, 10:14:03 PM
I get noise over USB. I record guitars using a Zoom G2.1u, and I get some noticeable hum (or static, whatever it is) whenever I start recording over USB, exactly when I plug it in. If it isn't plugged in, then its not there. Its not fixable by the G2's Noise Gate, I have to use GarageBand's Noise Gate to filter it out, but even then it sort of becomes irritating because it just wrecks the sound whenever I use high gain amp models.
I'm thinking since its not present whenever its not plugged to USB, its either my laptop or the cheapo USB cable. No other cable to test out the cable theory, and no other computer to test it with. Would a Guitar Link cable not have this noise issue?
Post by: skin on January 22, 2013, 07:56:42 AM
Post by: dr.distance on January 22, 2013, 08:56:56 AM
That's odd. Are you connecting directly to the computer and not on a usb hub? Recorded guitar tracks have static?Yeah, Zoom G2 connected directly to the laptop's USB ports. The hum is there, and it gets screechy when the gain is really high. I'll try to record it when I get home later so you guys can hear if you want.
Post by: KitC on January 22, 2013, 09:49:01 PM
Are you using single coil pups? Try changing positions. Move away from the pc when recording. Even try changing your angle when facing the pc. Single coils are notorious for picking up noise and hum. If using humbuckers, then suspect your guitar cable. Usb cables send out data so noise is not necessarily a problem with them.
Btw, are you using a laptop? If so, try recoding using batteries instead of A/C power. Laptop power bricks also give out a LOT of noise because of their switching power supplies. PCs also have switching power supplies, but if the case is made of steel and completely closed, there shouldn't be much EMI/RFI present.
Post by: mikki_blinkme on January 23, 2013, 08:01:44 PM
Post by: dr.distance on January 24, 2013, 10:03:41 AM
Since hum is not present when nothing is plugged in, suspect your cable or even your guitar.I'm on humbuckers, tried different angles, even moving away quite a bit from the stuff when starting to record. I'm on a laptop yes, and its a Mac so its made out of steel instead of plastic like other ones.
Are you using single coil pups? Try changing positions. Move away from the pc when recording. Even try changing your angle when facing the pc. Single coils are notorious for picking up noise and hum. If using humbuckers, then suspect your guitar cable. Usb cables send out data so noise is not necessarily a problem with them.
Btw, are you using a laptop? If so, try recoding using batteries instead of A/C power. Laptop power bricks also give out a LOT of noise because of their switching power supplies. PCs also have switching power supplies, but if the case is made of steel and completely closed, there shouldn't be much EMI/RFI present.
I'll try to borrow some better cables from a friend, both USB and instrument cables just to test it out. The ones I'm using are pretty cheap ones, but I'm starting to suspect its the USB because the G2 can also use the USB to power itself in the absence of other power sources. I never record using USB power, but I think that could be causing some interference?
If all else fails and it really is just the Zoom's USB power causing the hum, I might get a guitar link instead. Thanks for the input guys!
Post by: KitC on January 24, 2013, 12:12:19 PM
I'm on a laptop yes, and its a Mac so its made out of steel instead of plastic like other ones.
Actually aluminum but I'm just pickin' on details.
USB power normally does not convey noise to a device because it is DC. Unless your mac's power supply is shorting itself to the case, only then should you get some hum, which is very unlikely. A bad usb cable often results in the device not being recognized or not working altogether. Worse, it could get burned out when the power carrying wires short with the data wires, which happens when the cable is very much physically stressed.
Look for other sources of noise like flourescent light or anything with transformers in your recording area. Btw, you didn't identify what kind of noise it is. It could also be digital noise if you have very low buffer settings.
Post by: dr.distance on January 24, 2013, 01:11:04 PM
Actually aluminum but I'm just pickin' on details.Lolyeah, my mistake, aluminum :) Hmm that clears things up some more on the USB cable/power front. I'll keep the area suggestion in mind and check it out too. Buffer settings, I wouldn't know where to check because Garageband just detects the Zoom immediately, and I'm fairly new to recording on my laptop and Garageband.
USB power normally does not convey noise to a device because it is DC. Unless your mac's power supply is shorting itself to the case, only then should you get some hum, which is very unlikely. A bad usb cable often results in the device not being recognized or not working altogether. Worse, it could get burned out when the power carrying wires short with the data wires, which happens when the cable is very much physically stressed.
Look for other sources of noise like flourescent light or anything with transformers in your recording area. Btw, you didn't identify what kind of noise it is. It could also be digital noise if you have very low buffer settings.
Here's a clip of the noise: http://www.sendspace.com/file/ch7ukj
I wouldn't know how to describe it really. All I know is that its not coming from the guitar, the Zoom's noise gate doesn't affect it, and the only way I can cut it is with the Garageband gate. In this clip it sounds really loud, Garageband must have upped the gain on it during the export, because in actual recording/playback its not that loud, very faint actually. (Unless I up the gain and not use the noise gate)
Post by: KitC on January 25, 2013, 10:22:22 AM
(http://www.phidgets.com/images/3017_0_Big.jpg)
Post by: renkai0218 on January 26, 2013, 05:28:12 PM
However, I dont have a monitor or a headset that I can use. I thought I can use my computer speakers when playing what I have recorded but it seems doesn't work that way.
Any studio monitor or headphones that you can suggest? Is Superlux HD661 good enough as headphone?
Waaah! These studio monitors are quite expensive. :-o
Post by: dr.distance on January 26, 2013, 08:21:18 PM
That is digital noise judging from the high pitch; I thought you meant a hum which would have been quite analog sounding. Somehow I think either your guitar or cable is picking up that digital hash. Try this... just leave the guitar cable attached to the zoom, without the guitar, and see if it picks up anything. If it does, replace it with a better guitar cable; the shielding may have been already compromised. If it doesn't, then it's possible that cheap usb cable is transmitting digital noise to the Zoom. When replacing the usb cable, look for one with a noise choke, those 'lump-in-a-line' kind of cable that looks similar to this:To be fair, the clip's gain was turned up during the export, but imagine na lang still hearing that noise over your guitar parts. Eek. Anyway, I did as you suggested, even borrowed one of my friend's more expensive guitar cables and everything seems to be in order. The USB cable did come with a noise choke, its a 3ft cable from cd-r king lang.
What's interesting now is over the course of testing, I only just noticed it earlier that having the Zoom plugged in to the laptop doesn't generate the noise immediately, it only comes up when I tell GarageBand to start the USB Audio Codec driver.
Couldn't find a similar USB cable that's shorter than 3ft earlier in the malls though, so I couldn't rule out a bad cable, but that part with GarageBand seemed interesting.
Post by: KitC on January 27, 2013, 10:08:45 AM
What's interesting now is over the course of testing, I only just noticed it earlier that having the Zoom plugged in to the laptop doesn't generate the noise immediately, it only comes up when I tell GarageBand to start the USB Audio Codec driver.
3 ft/1 meter usb cables is about the max required standard. The noise intrusion, however, tells me that the Zoom doesn't seem to be shielded enough, or it's electronics is picking up EMI via the analog input. Used to be you could buy ferrite chokes in some electronics stores... maybe try to wrap one around the guitar cable? Have you also tried using the Zoom on a different computer, preferable pc? This would tell us if the zoom is part of the problem or not.
Post by: dr.distance on January 27, 2013, 06:43:01 PM
3 ft/1 meter usb cables is about the max required standard. The noise intrusion, however, tells me that the Zoom doesn't seem to be shielded enough, or it's electronics is picking up EMI via the analog input. Used to be you could buy ferrite chokes in some electronics stores... maybe try to wrap one around the guitar cable? Have you also tried using the Zoom on a different computer, preferable pc? This would tell us if the zoom is part of the problem or not.I sold off my old desktop PC when I got my laptop, so that's one testing option out of the window. Not that I can test on a friend's PC sometime this week, which I'll try. Thanks for the input, learned stuff too. I'll check back in after I can test on it some more.
Post by: chocotech27 on February 06, 2013, 11:23:06 AM
walang sound na lumalabas,,
pero pag nagrecord na ko at click ko yung play may sound naman help naman po thanks!
Post by: KitC on February 06, 2013, 02:56:02 PM
Mga sir ask ko lang nag ttry ako mag record using audacit...
walang sound na lumalabas,,
anong soundcard mo?
Post by: electronictokwa on February 07, 2013, 06:24:18 AM
Guitar > GT-5 > Vox Pathfinder 15r (Line Output, Rear) > Laptop or desktop audio in port
Kakayanin ba ng software-based mixing ang recording or kelangan may tulong ng dedicated sound card? Since wala akong dedicated sound card, mas okay ba pag via USB? If so, anu ma recommend nio yung di ganun ka mahal :-D
Salamat!
Post by: electronictokwa on February 07, 2013, 06:25:42 AM
Question mga sirs, will this work? Sensya newbie ako sa home recording hehe!
Guitar > GT-5 > Vox Pathfinder 15r (Line Output, Rear) > Laptop or desktop audio in port
Kakayanin ba ng software-based mixing ang recording or kelangan may tulong ng dedicated sound card? Since wala akong dedicated sound card, mas okay ba pag via USB? If so, anu ma recommend nio yung di ganun ka mahal :-D
Salamat!
Teka, bakit hindi nalang galing GT-5 drecho PC?
Post by: samuelfianza on February 10, 2013, 11:22:21 AM
System overall volume (itunes, media players, etc) drops when opening a DAW.
How can I disable this? (My OS is win XP)
This only happens when I'm using my Interface (Presonus Audiobox), but everything is normal when using only the Onboard audio.
Post by: KitC on February 10, 2013, 09:41:44 PM
You could use the onboard audio strictly for wdm and the audiobox strictly for asio. You will need some kind of (sub)mixer to route the 2 separate outputs to your monitors though. If your monitors support dual inputs, then no problem.
Post by: Xelly on February 12, 2013, 11:39:08 AM
Help masters.
System overall volume (itunes, media players, etc) drops when opening a DAW.
How can I disable this? (My OS is win XP)
This only happens when I'm using my Interface (Presonus Audiobox), but everything is normal when using only the Onboard audio.
Audiobox user here! Bro try mo rin icheck yung settings sa VSL
Post by: alakdan7 on February 13, 2013, 11:50:24 PM
Post by: skin on February 14, 2013, 05:32:58 AM
I am presently using Vegas Pro for multitrack recording and soundforge for some editing for connected to a 12 channel mixer were inputs are routed to the sources via multicore audio cable. I'm just using the built in audio card on the PC motherboard. Can you recommend any soundcard that would improve my system ? WHat equipment can I add/use to be able to do simultaneous multitrack recording in the PC. As of now I can only record one track at a time. My PC connection to the mixer is via stereo coax/rca cable only to the stereo output of the mixer. Can you suggest a better configuration with my system. One more thing is it ok to use all condenser mics on the drumset ?
Check out Tascam US-1800.
For drum mics, check out ones that you can buy as a set.
Post by: Xelly on February 14, 2013, 08:41:32 AM
I am presently using Vegas Pro for multitrack recording and soundforge for some editing for connected to a 12 channel mixer were inputs are routed to the sources via multicore audio cable. I'm just using the built in audio card on the PC motherboard. Can you recommend any soundcard that would improve my system ? WHat equipment can I add/use to be able to do simultaneous multitrack recording in the PC. As of now I can only record one track at a time. My PC connection to the mixer is via stereo coax/rca cable only to the stereo output of the mixer. Can you suggest a better configuration with my system. One more thing is it ok to use all condenser mics on the drumset ?
Presonus AB1818vsl nasa 25k sa distributor nito dito sa Pinas. :-)
Post by: samuelfianza on February 14, 2013, 10:35:22 AM
Audiobox user here! Bro try mo rin icheck yung settings sa VSLAno yung VSL bro? hehe
At ano pala mas magandang condenser mic dito sa dalawa:
Behringer C1 or Samson C01
Or may marerecommend ba kayong condenser mic na kapresyo rin nung dalawa?
thanks masters.
Post by: skin on February 14, 2013, 02:47:31 PM
Post by: jake z on February 23, 2013, 12:48:32 AM
We can use showmypc.com to remotely access the pc and we can communicate with notepad too.
I'm thinking that this is somehow a good way of fixing stuff that needs pro help.
Like me, I'm having issues with guitar rig that trying all the things google told me won't apply.
Any thoughts? Let's use our resources and help one another.
Post by: albumin on February 24, 2013, 03:43:31 AM
pang bedroom rockstar lang sana na kagaya ko. pang record lang ng guitars and maybe pang process ng backing tracks.
kaya ko kaya makakuha ng ganitong quality: http://thefoobirds.bandcamp.com/
Post by: zushikikato on February 24, 2013, 06:23:40 AM
I want to record music from my digital piano. I have a laptop. This laptop does not have a line in port, I have read blogs online that if I'll record it straight through this port I will not produce high quality sounds because of the ports different frequencies. I don't want to spend too much for hardware but I can shell out some amount if it's really affordable like below 5K.. Any advice guys? My Digital Piano have a line out port and MIDI out port.
Thanks much!
Aspiring musician. :)
Post by: KitC on February 24, 2013, 11:17:27 AM
@albumin - If you have a fairly recent computer, notably a core i-series intel or even a recent AMD setup, you can already use those. Just make it a 2-drive system. I would put my money in a very good audio interface that can be easily migrated to a newer computer since computers usually become dated after about 18 months or so. Get a reliable usb or firewire interface for your 20k, and make sure it has enough input for your needs. You can get an internal card, but it has to be pcie since pci slots are becoming rare in recent motherboards.
@zushikat0 - what kind of laptop is this? most recent laptops I've seen have audio ports that change configuration according to whats plugged into them.
Post by: albumin on February 24, 2013, 01:24:44 PM
Post by: zushikikato on February 24, 2013, 03:43:11 PM
I am using an HP450 laptop. It has 3 USB ports, HDMI port a headset in and a mic in port.
Thanks!
Post by: KitC on February 24, 2013, 06:42:14 PM
i'm planning to buy a cpu package with
- intel core i5
- biostar h61m mobo
The biostar I'm not so hot on. I normally recommend Gigabyte and Asus at this time, leaning more on the former. Formerly a contented MSI user until I started getting QC issues (bloated caps). Biostar is not known for being a solid DAW performer... Epox does quite well in some occasions, but look for reports on bloated caps with your preferred mobos.
Set aside some extra budget for a good audio interface. No CDR King please.
Post by: KitC on February 24, 2013, 06:44:23 PM
I am using an HP450 laptop. It has 3 USB ports, HDMI port a headset in and a mic in port.
As long as this is not the Celeron powered version, it can do the job.
Post by: zushikikato on February 24, 2013, 07:01:03 PM
How can I do it? What are the things that I need to get it done?
Post by: skin on February 24, 2013, 07:53:34 PM
Is it possible than we can help other musicians by remotely accessing their desktops or laptops if there's configurations that needs to be adjusted, like in DAW's, etc.
We can use showmypc.com to remotely access the pc and we can communicate with notepad too.
I'm thinking that this is somehow a good way of fixing stuff that needs pro help.
Like me, I'm having issues with guitar rig that trying all the things google told me won't apply.
Any thoughts? Let's use our resources and help one another.
I have helped a lot of musicians doing DAW configurations. I use Teamviewer.
Post by: samuelfianza on February 24, 2013, 10:52:23 PM
Can I use a USB MIDI Controller (eying for M-Audio Axiom) simultaneously with an Audio Interface (Presonus Audiobox) ???
Post by: albumin on February 25, 2013, 10:09:06 AM
The biostar I'm not so hot on. I normally recommend Gigabyte and Asus at this time, leaning more on the former. Formerly a contented MSI user until I started getting QC issues (bloated caps). Biostar is not known for being a solid DAW performer... Epox does quite well in some occasions, but look for reports on bloated caps with your preferred mobos.
Set aside some extra budget for a good audio interface. No CDR King please.
will take note of this. yes. will not buy those cheap cdr-kings.. i want to start and do it right that's why as much as possible, i'll buy the best with what i have. i get what i pay for. id rather pay more and be satisfied than being complete but unsatisfied.
thanks sir KitC!
Post by: skin on February 25, 2013, 08:53:21 PM
Hey peeps,
Can I use a USB MIDI Controller (eying for M-Audio Axiom) simultaneously with an Audio Interface (Presonus Audiobox) ???
Yes.
Post by: Xelly on February 26, 2013, 12:12:16 AM
Yes.
+1
Post by: darksyde_brianne on March 21, 2013, 08:30:30 AM
wala pa kasi ako background in pc recording..
pero gustu ko magrecord..
as of now meron akong cpu with :
ASUS M2N68-AM motherboard
Amd Athlon 64 X2 Dual core processor 4200+ 2.21 Ghz
1Gb RAM
Win 7..
no soundcard..
no videocard..
anu po kaya kailangan ko upgrade sa CPU to do decent recording. ?
i have ibanez rg350dxz.
peavey rage258..
zoom G9.2tt..
di kasi ako palagi Online kaya dko mabasa lahat messages and tips dito..
thanx...
Post by: jake z on March 21, 2013, 09:21:57 AM
question po..
wala pa kasi ako background in pc recording..
pero gustu ko magrecord..
as of now meron akong cpu with :
ASUS M2N68-AM motherboard
Amd Athlon 64 X2 Dual core processor 4200+ 2.21 Ghz
1Gb RAM
Win 7..
no soundcard..
no videocard..
anu po kaya kailangan ko upgrade sa CPU to do decent recording. ?
i have ibanez rg350dxz.
peavey rage258..
zoom G9.2tt..
di kasi ako palagi Online kaya dko mabasa lahat messages and tips dito..
thanx...
Maybe if you take time to read, your questions will be answered.
That's the best advise I can give.
Post by: darksyde_brianne on March 21, 2013, 10:04:22 AM
Maybe if you take time to read, your questions will be answered.
That's the best advise I can give.
wow.
thanx anyway.
Post by: KitC on March 21, 2013, 10:33:22 AM
Post by: Tarkuz Toccata on March 21, 2013, 07:58:54 PM
Video >>
Post by: chocotech27 on March 21, 2013, 10:16:07 PM
Thanks mga bro
Post by: Xelly on March 22, 2013, 06:25:36 AM
Mga sir tanong ko lang kung oks ba gamitin yung audio interface ng cdr king. Low badget lang kasi kung hindi ano maganda audio interface na pasok sa budget..
Thanks mga bro
Kung low budget bro, try mo Behringer UCA
Post by: KitC on March 22, 2013, 09:58:24 AM
If all you want is audio playback, then get the cdrking. It's no good for recording; questionable build quality and poor drivers not intended for low latency recording. Maybe for podcasts pwede.
Post by: Xelly on March 22, 2013, 11:28:28 AM
Here's a very portable USB Guitar Interface (http://www.peavey.com/products/index.cfm/item/0/117951/).
Video >>
Available din sa Aphile?
Post by: Tarkuz Toccata on March 22, 2013, 03:04:08 PM
Post by: darksyde_brianne on March 28, 2013, 11:43:15 AM
@darksyde_brianne - you already have a zoom g9.2tt. Unless you will be recording vocals, you already have an interface. It even comes with Cubase LE. Your pc is capable enough for recording.
ahhhh..
ok sir salamat...
sa mga nabasa ko kasi dito sa unang pages,
parang ang tataas nang requirements na binibigay nyo na suggestion..
di ko kc alam kung capable ang pc ko kc luma na and built in lang soundcard..
tska may mga nababasa pko dati about latency...
ung unang nagreply kasi sakin parang ang taray..
:cool:
thanx sa reply sir...
Post by: KitC on March 28, 2013, 01:59:13 PM
It's true na mataas ang requirements lalo pa kapag powerful ang software mo. Try to work muna with what you have. In time, you will see what you need. Let me know if you can record successfully with your gear.
Post by: jake z on March 28, 2013, 07:00:48 PM
ahhhh..
ok sir salamat...
sa mga nabasa ko kasi dito sa unang pages,
parang ang tataas nang requirements na binibigay nyo na suggestion..
di ko kc alam kung capable ang pc ko kc luma na and built in lang soundcard..
tska may mga nababasa pko dati about latency...
ung unang nagreply kasi sakin parang ang taray..
:cool:
thanx sa reply sir...
No offense meant bro.
Just based my reply from your post.
Anyways, sir kit is right.
When I started recording, using a creative sound blaster bundle with P4 with 2gb ram. It can operate the DAW's basic functions.
BUT, when I started to add VST. BOOM!
CPU Usage went to 100% and the audio drops when played back.
But since you have a multi fx already, I don't think you will be using that much vst's.
Post by: jamming_papu on March 28, 2013, 07:11:37 PM
question po..
wala pa kasi ako background in pc recording..
pero gustu ko magrecord..
as of now meron akong cpu with :
ASUS M2N68-AM motherboard
Amd Athlon 64 X2 Dual core processor 4200+ 2.21 Ghz
1Gb RAM
Win 7..
no soundcard..
no videocard..
when I started recording in 2007, my pc specs in terms of computing power back then were just like this. and I made a couple of songs that has 2-8 tracks and everything seems to work well. so to answer the question, interface na lang at dagdag sa RAM and this one is already good. keep in my mind that pc specs has to meet the requirements of which DAW you are going to use. also, I always suggest to get a good reference speaker. I still use my old Samson Resolv for recording at ayun na lang ang natitira sa first recording setup ko after years of upgrades.
Post by: KitC on March 28, 2013, 10:05:00 PM
when I started recording in 2007, my pc specs in terms of computing power back then were just like this. and I made a couple of songs that has 2-8 tracks and everything seems to work well. so to answer the question, interface na lang at dagdag sa RAM and this one is already good. keep in my mind that pc specs has to meet the requirements of which DAW you are going to use. also, I always suggest to get a good reference speaker. I still use my old Samson Resolv for recording at ayun na lang ang natitira sa first recording setup ko after years of upgrades.
+1 with the above but remember, RAM is relative to your OS and your requirements. 2 gig is just about the minimum nowadays. With XP, pwede na yan but I felt better at 4 gig even though only a max of 3.2 gig is usable with that OS.
With win7 and win8, 4 gig is just about the minimum. You can survive at at 2 gigs but some applications may run slowly (photoshop comes to mind). If using 64-bit versions, 4 gig minimum is a must. 64-bit is useful if you require more than 4 gigs ram access. Other than that, 32-bit is fine for most uses, especially with vsts that haven't been ported to 64-bit.
Btw, ram has no bearing on cpu speed, but performance can be increased if your ram is running at dual channel, triple channel, or even quad channel mode. It's important that all sticks be matched in this case. Isa pa, your hard drive also has a bearing on overall performance. It's one reason why laptops tend to have less track counts unless their drives are 7200 rpm, which affects battery life naman.
So many variables.
And another plus on having good monitoring. No point in mixing if you can't hear it right. The only secret is that you should KNOW your speakers. It doesn't matter if they're plain component speakers or very expensive monitors, what matters is that your mixes translate well to other systems.
Post by: darksyde_brianne on April 01, 2013, 06:18:34 AM
8-)
Post by: Xelly on April 03, 2013, 10:35:07 AM
Post by: jake z on April 03, 2013, 10:39:16 AM
Napag-usapan na ata ito dito pero itanong ko na rin. Ang hdd ko ay nakapartition sa dalawang drive. Sa Drive C naka-install ang OS at sa drive D naman mga documents etc. Ok lang ba na yung DAW ko naka-install sa Drive C and yung mga audio files is sa Drive D?
Ganyan set up ko sir. Oks naman.
Post by: Xelly on April 03, 2013, 10:50:12 AM
Ganyan set up ko sir. Oks naman.
Salamat bro!! Yung mga vst at samples mo nasa drive C rin tama ba o yung DAW mo lang talaga ang nasa Drive C?
Post by: jake z on April 03, 2013, 11:15:32 AM
Salamat bro!! Yung mga vst at samples mo nasa drive C rin tama ba o yung DAW mo lang talaga ang nasa Drive C?
Yung orig vsts and samples from sonar is on drive c, di ko na nilipat kasi nag eerror minsan, pero yung mga add-ons nsa D.
Including all other softwares etc.
Post by: KitC on April 03, 2013, 12:12:07 PM
Napag-usapan na ata ito dito pero itanong ko na rin. Ang hdd ko ay nakapartition sa dalawang drive. Sa Drive C naka-install ang OS at sa drive D naman mga documents etc. Ok lang ba na yung DAW ko naka-install sa Drive C and yung mga audio files is sa Drive D?
dapat physical drive. wag partition lamang.
Post by: Xelly on April 03, 2013, 02:30:44 PM
dapat physical drive. wag partition lamang.
So kung physical drive sir, dun na rin dapat nakainstall ang DAW?
Post by: KitC on April 04, 2013, 11:30:54 AM
Partitioning was developed at a time when drive sizes were larger than the bios or OS could handle. For ex., the largest FAT16 partition is 4Gb so when they started developing large drives, early DOS and pre-XP windows needed a way to access the extra space. There are advantages to partitioning, including short-stroking, but these are ineffective for DAW operations.
Best practice for DAWs is to have a relatively small main drive 500 Gb or below for OS and programs, and a larger data drive or drives. Largest single single pc configuration I've worked on had 5 internal drives so far (Gerard's) plus a slew of external firewire and usb2 drives. This was an orchestral sample playback machine and some sections like strings needed their own drives to prevent dropouts.
Post by: Xelly on April 05, 2013, 12:11:27 PM
Post by: KitC on April 06, 2013, 12:20:01 PM
Sir salamat sa info. Followup question lang. Sa ngayon kasi isa palang ang harddisk ko na nakapartition. Ang best ba na pwede ko gawin is sa system drive ko ilagay ang DAW and audio files pati na mga vsts?
For now, this is your only option. My advise is not to move anything since it's still working, but plan on getting a second drive soon.
Aside from better performance, think also of data security. What happens when you lose the system drive? Your files may go to data heaven. Recovery software may help, but my experience with those is that heavily fragmented files usually get lost, and audio files often are fragmented especially when you are working on a project. Make sure to have backups of your work.
Post by: Xelly on April 06, 2013, 01:23:09 PM
For now, this is your only option. My advise is not to move anything since it's still working, but plan on getting a second drive soon.
Aside from better performance, think also of data security. What happens when you lose the system drive? Your files may go to data heaven. Recovery software may help, but my experience with those is that heavily fragmented files usually get lost, and audio files often are fragmented especially when you are working on a project. Make sure to have backups of your work.
Maraming salamat sir Kit!
Post by: albumin on April 09, 2013, 06:15:17 PM
is the difference between the programs which were released, let's say on 2008, that significant? i dont need naman na sobrang hi-fi ng quality.. if not good, just DECENT result sana.. i was hoping if i could get that outcome by using the programs made before..
i dont have a very speedy setup eh.. di kakayanin yung mga bagong programs ngayon. :((
Post by: Xelly on April 09, 2013, 06:40:41 PM
tanong lang sir.
is the difference between the programs which were released, let's say on 2008, that significant? i dont need naman na sobrang hi-fi ng quality.. if not good, just DECENT result sana.. i was hoping if i could get that outcome by using the programs made before..
i dont have a very speedy setup eh.. di kakayanin yung mga bagong programs ngayon. :((
Ok na ok pa yun bro! Ang importante alam mo function ng bawat software na gamit mo.
Post by: albumin on April 09, 2013, 06:55:06 PM
Ok na ok pa yun bro! Ang importante alam mo function ng bawat software na gamit mo.
orayt! mapagaaralan naman yan eh.. ang habol ko lang kasi, may magawa na disente.. hindi pa masyado sa quality...
could you recommend an old DAW na magfifit sa specs ng laptop na gamit ko ngayon? (sorry guys.. torrent boy ako)
Processor: AMD Anthlon 64 X2 1.9Ghz
RAM: 2GB DDR2 800mhz
Mobo: HP 30F2
GPU: ATI Radeon HD 3200 (256mb)
also, would the Reaper included in Peavey XPort fit in sa laptop? baka naman kasi mainstall ko nga... mapagana.. pero, mabagal din at baka maapektuhan yung result.. please do advise..
thanks!
Post by: KitC on April 09, 2013, 10:35:18 PM
Post by: leonard on April 12, 2013, 01:38:33 PM
Post by: skin on April 12, 2013, 03:05:08 PM
whats an affordable studio monitor? im looking at behringer but I'm not sure.
It's best to indicate how much you can afford so we can suggest here.
Post by: leonard on April 12, 2013, 05:29:54 PM
It's best to indicate how much you can afford so we can suggest here.
less than 10k if possible.
Post by: Xelly on April 12, 2013, 06:19:01 PM
less than 10k if possible.
Go for Behringer na nga kung less than 10k. Tulad nang laging sinasabi ni sir Kit, ang importante kabisado mo tunog ng monitors mo.
Post by: leonard on April 17, 2013, 01:44:09 PM
Go for Behringer na nga kung less than 10k. Tulad nang laging sinasabi ni sir Kit, ang importante kabisado mo tunog ng monitors mo.
Thank you :)
Post by: in_the_tent on April 19, 2013, 05:25:51 PM
less than 10k if possible.
10k pair? Check out Samson Media One 5A. You can get one here: http://www.channel.com.ph/product/MEDIAONE-5A/SFSELFAA0000076/?main_cate_no=ACABAA00&display_group=1
Post by: Tarkuz Toccata on April 19, 2013, 06:32:41 PM
10k pair? Check out Samson Media One 5A. You can get one here: http://www.channel.com.ph/product/MEDIAONE-5A/SFSELFAA0000076/?main_cate_no=ACABAA00&display_group=1
I visited Channel last Wednesday afternoon. Their prices are negotiable and I am sure you can buy Samson MediaOne 5A from them for less than 10k. Order na, dali! :)
Post by: kelen on April 24, 2013, 04:41:20 PM
Post by: Xelly on April 24, 2013, 05:08:14 PM
Good day awesome people. Eto na naman ako sa recording problem. I have a zoom g3 and im using it as an interface directly connected to my computer. Ok naman siya pag clean ang problem ko is pag may drive na, tunog utot lumalabas. Im using Fl studio by the way. And baka may alam kayong mga tutorial ng fl studio. Hirap ako gamitin eh :nosebleed:
Try mo bro yung output settings ng zoom g3. Dapat may parang studio/live out siya at dapat iba rin yung tunog niya kung naka "amp-out". Usually tunog "utot" yun kung naka amp-out.
Post by: kelen on April 24, 2013, 06:42:05 PM
Try mo bro yung output settings ng zoom g3. Dapat may parang studio/live out siya at dapat iba rin yung tunog niya kung naka "amp-out". Usually tunog "utot" yun kung naka amp-out.
saan makikita yun? sa global setting nakalagay lang combo amp, stack etc tsaka direct. nagtry din ako sa audacity, ok pag dry signal. pero pag may effects kahit delay lang medyo sabog yung tunog
Post by: Xelly on April 24, 2013, 07:08:38 PM
saan makikita yun? sa global setting nakalagay lang combo amp, stack etc tsaka direct. nagtry din ako sa audacity, ok pag dry signal. pero pag may effects kahit delay lang medyo sabog yung tunog
Ayun bro gamitin mo yun DIRECT. Solve na yan. :-)
Post by: kelen on April 24, 2013, 07:40:02 PM
Ayun bro gamitin mo yun DIRECT. Solve na yan. :-)
tried it. still sounds utot :cry:. gusto ko kasi yung parang ganito yung clarity
Post by: skin on April 24, 2013, 08:34:29 PM
Post by: kelen on April 24, 2013, 09:08:46 PM
naka on na yung amp simulator?
yep. yung feedback ang isa pang nakakapikon. di ko alam kung saan ang source. palagay ko ang culprit is my crappy single coil pups. i have to turn on the noise gate on my g3. another is the clicks and scratchy sound while recording
Post by: kelen on April 25, 2013, 12:07:45 AM
Post by: skin on April 25, 2013, 11:14:12 AM
bale ang playback ay nasa amp ko rin. kumapal yung tunog tapos napuputol putol, stutter at screech sound. ganyan sa reaper at fl studio
Are you on ASIO? Try to install asio4all to fix latency issues.
If you have amp simulator on and your output is still your amp, it wouldn't sound right.
Post by: kelen on April 25, 2013, 12:36:37 PM
Are you on ASIO? Try to install asio4all to fix latency issues.
If you have amp simulator on and your output is still your amp, it wouldn't sound right.
Yep im running asio4all. Sa amp ang playback ko. Bakit sir anong mayroon pag output ay amp?
Post by: jake z on April 28, 2013, 06:18:34 PM
I have a question about guitar rig since I was able to re-install it. Alike pod farm, can I use GR to record directly to my daw?
I mean, GR output goes directly to DAW, I tried earlier but the audio driver stops on the DAW while I have GR on stand alone mode.
Post by: Xelly on April 28, 2013, 06:30:17 PM
Hi,
I have a question about guitar rig since I was able to re-install it. Alike pod farm, can I use GR to record directly to my daw?
I mean, GR output goes directly to DAW, I tried earlier but the audio driver stops on the DAW while I have GR on stand alone mode.
Ang alam ko bro pwedeng gawing vst plugin yung gr
Post by: jake z on April 28, 2013, 06:32:44 PM
Ang alam ko bro pwedeng gawing vst plugin yung gr
Ganun yung standard set up nya e, pero matakaw sa CPU and RAM.
Then, iba-iba yung console for each track kaya medjo nahihirapan ako.
Post by: Xelly on April 28, 2013, 06:35:25 PM
Ganun yung standard set up nya e, pero matakaw sa CPU and RAM.
Then, iba-iba yung console for each track kaya medjo nahihirapan ako.
Matakaw talaga sa ram yan bro & cpu yan bro. Pwede mo siguro gawin taasan mo yung buffer size pero magkakaroon ka naman ng latency issues. Ano bang gamit mong interface?
Post by: jake z on April 28, 2013, 06:38:23 PM
Matakaw talaga sa ram yan bro & cpu yan bro. Pwede mo siguro gawin taasan mo yung buffer size pero magkakaroon ka naman ng latency issues. Ano bang gamit mong interface?
Toneport ux1 bro. Ayaw ko naman ioff yung input monitoring kasi wala rin ako maririnig nun. Tried to use google, pero puro trolling nababasa ko.haha.
Post by: Xelly on April 28, 2013, 07:05:06 PM
Toneport ux1 bro. Ayaw ko naman ioff yung input monitoring kasi wala rin ako maririnig nun. Tried to use google, pero puro trolling nababasa ko.haha.
Sa akin naman bro usually naka-off yung input monitoring tapos pakinggan ko nlang yung tunog ng effect ng plugin sa playback.
Post by: crazyvoice on May 01, 2013, 01:23:26 AM
If SIngle Track lang Record ko, i.e: One track Guitar, another track voice naeedit yung white noise using Reafir plug-ins on Reaper but then pag One Track at vocals with acoustic guitar, nadadamay yung Acoustic Guitar Sound sa paglinis.
Any way po kaya na mapababa or ma-eliminate yung White Noise ng Samson Co1u ko? I mostly record first with webcam while naka plug yung Co1u ine-edit ko nalang yung sound ng video at nilalagay ko yung sound from CO1U kaso nga problem ko pag sabay recording ng vocals at Guitar nadedegrade din yung Guitar Sound Yung vocals lang nalilinis...
Im recording with low input volume from Co1u around 10, I just edit the sound and increase it volume nalang pero ganun padin malakas padin yung White Noise...
Post by: KitC on May 01, 2013, 04:50:44 PM
Im recording with low input volume from Co1u around 10, I just edit the sound and increase it volume nalang pero ganun padin malakas padin yung White Noise...
Every audio equipment has a degree of noise present. It's just that the more expensive gear are usually designed so that their noisefloor is considerably lower that a majority of consumer equipment.
In most cases, when recording, it is advisable to record at a level that defeats this inherent noise. When audio is recorded at low levels, any gain added afterwards will only increase that inherent noise. Increase your input gain so that you are within -6 to -12 dB of the highest possible peak. This will ensure that any gain increase afterwards will result in minimal noise amplification.
The downside to recording at high levels is that every single squeak, creak, hum, bump and even breathing is also captured. That's why most studios make an effort to control these unwanted sounds, although in some cases, these can add to the character of a recording.
Post by: crazyvoice on May 02, 2013, 07:29:58 PM
Every audio equipment has a degree of noise present. It's just that the more expensive gear are usually designed so that their noisefloor is considerably lower that a majority of consumer equipment.
In most cases, when recording, it is advisable to record at a level that defeats this inherent noise. When audio is recorded at low levels, any gain added afterwards will only increase that inherent noise. Increase your input gain so that you are within -6 to -12 dB of the highest possible peak. This will ensure that any gain increase afterwards will result in minimal noise amplification.
The downside to recording at high levels is that every single squeak, creak, hum, bump and even breathing is also captured. That's why most studios make an effort to control these unwanted sounds, although in some cases, these can add to the character of a recording.
Thanks Sir KitC, mas ok na po yung recording ko now using Samsom Co1U NIlaksan ko yung input niya make it 50 hehehe, then yung white noise nandun padin pero na-lilinis naman po sa Reaper using ReaFir plug in. Thanks po ulit...
Post by: julsam on May 13, 2013, 01:27:35 PM
I have tried the Behringer USB guitar link (sounds ngongo to me), and Fender Mustang Amp 1 (cant make distortion sounds good).
Not happy with both :) I'd just like to ask which cheap audio interface do you use?
Need to record some guitar parts at home for our album so I'm seriously looking for decent audio interface that wont ruin it haha
Post by: jake z on May 13, 2013, 02:24:23 PM
Hello! Newbie at recording here :)
I have tried the Behringer USB guitar link (sounds ngongo to me), and Fender Mustang Amp 1 (cant make distortion sounds good).
Not happy with both :) I'd just like to ask which cheap audio interface do you use?
Need to record some guitar parts at home for our album so I'm seriously looking for decent audio interface that wont ruin it haha
sound like beh-nigger ba?hehe
you can try the vox amplug or the line6 stuff. could like 4k below.
Post by: Xelly on May 13, 2013, 02:33:18 PM
sound like beh-nigger ba?hehe
you can try the vox amplug or the line6 stuff. could like 4k below.
+1 sa Vox amplug. +5 sa Line6 stuff
Post by: Tarkuz Toccata on May 13, 2013, 02:44:20 PM
Need to record some guitar parts at home for our album so I'm seriously looking for decent audio interface that wont ruin it haha
Peavey XPort USB Guitar Interface (http://www.peavey.com/products/index.cfm/item/0/117951/).
(http://cdn.mos.musicradar.com/images/Guitarist/359/peavey-xport-usb-guitar-interface-640-80.jpg)
Video >>
Available at Audiophile stores (http://www.audiophile.ph/index.php/contact).
Post by: balinese on May 16, 2013, 09:50:10 PM
Ask lang po ako...
im Planning to sell my Laptop usually i use for studying..
Specs: intel i5 4 cores 2.66ghz
8 gb ram
500 gb HDD
1 gb Vid Card
I use Protools Le 8.. and T-racks plugins..
kaso pag 40+ tracks na po pataas aguy.. kinakapos na system ko..
1.ok lang ba na ung buffer size ko eh 2046 na? since im not recording naman mixing lang
2. will SSD Drive advisable for an upgrade?
3. Ok lang ba mag AMD? mura kasi compare sa i7
im planning to sell my unit and other stuff just to get an upgrade eto po nirecommend sakin..
cpu, AMD Vishera FX-8320 3.50GHz
mobo, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3
ram, Kingston Predator 16GB - (4GBx4 DDR3 2400cl11 -)
odd, any DVDRW
gpu, Sapphire HD 7750 1GB 128bit GDDR5
Hdd ssd OCZ Vertex 4 128GB SATA3 (VTX4-25SAT3-128G)
hdd, WDC Blue 1TB
________________________________________________________________
atx, NZXT Source 210 Elite
mon, Philips 21.5" LED fullHD 226V3LSB25
psu, FSP Raider 550w 80+ Br
thanks in advance po :)
Post by: Xelly on May 16, 2013, 10:03:17 PM
1.ok lang ba na ung buffer size ko eh 2046 na? since im not recording naman mixing lang
Bro sobrang malaking improvement kung gagawin mo yan!
Post by: balinese on May 16, 2013, 10:15:37 PM
thanks for the reply..it helps..
kaso after ilang minutes of playback..talagang hinihika na..
thats why decided to sell my unit and stuff and save..
pero wala ba downside un since mixing lang naman..
di naman ako nag rerecord eh... :
iniisip ko rin ung disk me factor din..
i wonder if SSD drive will really help
I opted for laptop kasi ..mas tipid sa kuryente..
kaso pag intensive na pala ung load di na kaya..
Post by: Xelly on May 16, 2013, 10:54:08 PM
pero wala ba downside un since mixing lang naman..
di naman ako nag rerecord eh... :
latency ang downside bro kung lalakihan yung buffer size. Pero kung mixing na naman sabay2x na delayed lahat kaya hindi na pansin ang latency unlike sa recording na may latency lahat maliban sa nirerecord na audio. :-)
Post by: balinese on May 16, 2013, 11:42:41 PM
pede ko pa pala isagad sa 4096..
for the meantime pag mag mimix ng intensive..habang wala pa pambili bago..
sa ram talaga nauubos ung 8 Gb di kaya..pagdating sa plugins ..
Post by: skin on May 17, 2013, 07:27:58 AM
Post by: Xelly on May 17, 2013, 07:50:23 AM
thanks sir xelly :mrgreen:
pede ko pa pala isagad sa 4096..
for the meantime pag mag mimix ng intensive..habang wala pa pambili bago..
sa ram talaga nauubos ung 8 Gb di kaya..pagdatin sa plugins ..
Ano bang gamit mong plug-ins bro? Mukhang matakaw sa ram plugins mo ah?
Post by: balinese on May 17, 2013, 03:23:49 PM
mga emulation ng LA-2A, Puigtec EQP 1A, Fairchild 670, 1176..Echo Flex Tape echo,Linear Phase EQ, mga vintage emulator
medyu matakaw siguro..i love the GUI and how they sound ..
lalo na pag marami ng tracks..nauubos po ram hehe..
Quote
ano audio interface mo?
mbox mini lang po,,
me epekto po ba un?
Post by: KitC on May 18, 2013, 04:16:01 PM
I use Protools Le 8.. and T-racks plugins..
kaso pag 40+ tracks na po pataas aguy.. kinakapos na system ko..
1.ok lang ba na ung buffer size ko eh 2046 na? since im not recording naman mixing lang
2. will SSD Drive advisable for an upgrade?
3. Ok lang ba mag AMD? mura kasi compare sa i7
im planning to sell my unit and other stuff just to get an upgrade eto po nirecommend sakin..
Protools is more 'friendly' with Intel than AMD so there should be no problems with your i5. I'm sensing a configuration problem.
In answer to your questions:
1. 2046 is ok for mixing. can't recall the max level in protools, but use it if you want the most cpu power for plugins.
2. SSDs are great but rather small in capacity for the cost. Try a 7200 rpm drive if you can get one and see if you can fit another drive in the laptop.
3. AMDs are indeed cheaper; I started out as an AMD user but had to bow down to Intel's better performance. Also refer to my above statement.
Post by: balinese on May 18, 2013, 11:43:46 PM
thank you for the response..
i guess baguhin ko na lang po ung build ill go for the i7 na lang..to follow na lang ibang parts..
4096 po ung max na buffer in my case..
ok naman po ung i5 8gb ram..hangang mga 24 ++ na tracks..
pero pag 40 plus na po talagang di na kaya kaya bina babaan ko ung buffer size
i have no choice but to upgrade..
Post by: lowmid on May 22, 2013, 12:27:45 PM
Post by: dbths1987 on May 23, 2013, 01:56:41 PM
Post by: KitC on May 26, 2013, 04:02:15 PM
4096 po ung max na buffer in my case..
ok naman po ung i5 8gb ram..hangang mga 24 ++ na tracks..
pero pag 40 plus na po talagang di na kaya kaya bina babaan ko ung buffer size
What is your soundcard?
My rig is a rather ancient Q6600 with 4 gigs of DDR2 ram. I can easily do 40 audio tracks at max latency of 100 ms (no buffer setting on the 'ol 1820m). I'm thinking you got loads of reverbs and other cpu hogging plugins in most of your tracks.
The secret with plugin management is to be judicious with the heavy hitters. At most, I got one really good reverb and may 2 other ok verbs for non-critical tracks. I then place these in aux busses so I can route specific tracks to specific fx as needed. I very rarely dedicate plugins to tracks, preferring to mix with an 'analog state of mind'.
Back in the analog days, it was very rare to have a specific processor for each track. The best management of outboard fx was to route them to aux busses and have certain tracks share a particular effect. Sometimes a studio could only afford one good reverb and compressor so they had to be very creative in using these. Thinking in the same vein helps in how you utilize limited resources.
Same with the present day... If your cpu is bogging down, try to freeze certain tracks, especially those that sound close to the final mix. If you have softsynths embedded in the tracks, freeze those first (without fx) and work on the audio itself. Limit the number of cpu hogging plugins in your tracks. Oftentimes, you will find that less is more (I hate cliches, but this is often true).
Post by: KitC on May 26, 2013, 04:03:25 PM
Mga Sirs, Pwede magtanong po? anu-anong computer stores na nagbibinta ng PCI or PCIe firewire card na may TI chipset? Pakihingi ng contact sa mga stores na yan po. thank u.
Go to greenhills. Belkin usually makes TI firewire chipsets, but I think you will find that firewire is becoming rare nowadays.
Post by: jake z on June 04, 2013, 10:02:51 AM
Post by: x_taxi on June 04, 2013, 11:48:56 PM
Good day guys, I have a question about a set up that I was thinking about. I have a toneport ux1 and a 12 channel soundcraft mixer. I was thinking of recording drums, all of the mics will be connected and balanced using the mixer and the L/R output will be routed to the L/R input of the ux1 ( I know that I can't make individual adjustments on my daw once the record gets in, since in will only be 2 tracks panned left and right, but I know I can balance everything on the mixer before it gets it my daw) anyone tried this kind of set up before? Hope you can share your inputs, thanks!
Post by: jake z on June 05, 2013, 07:48:31 AM
Maybe just use one channel for the kick and the other channel for the overheads? That way you simply use a kick mic and condensers for the overheads. Just so you don't run into phase issues. Mic placement is key here. Unless you still want stereo separation, then use a couple of overheads. If i only had limited tracks, that's what i'd probably do.
actually every mic will have their separate channel on the mixer. I've been reading things about this set up and I'm seeing good outcomes, I just hope it works for me too. About mic placement, let me work on that once I have the mics, btw, I was looking at a 7 pc carol drum mic set, is it decent enough to give good sound or should I stick to this?
http://www.sulit.com.ph/index.php/view+classifieds/id/13269991/Shure+Drumkit+7+kit?referralKeywords=drum+mic&event=Search+Ranking,Position,1-18,18#advertisementDetails
Post by: julsam on June 07, 2013, 09:36:03 PM
My budget is around 6-7k :P
Which would you recommend?
Thanks for all your help :)
Post by: KitC on June 15, 2013, 10:37:19 PM
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb12/articles/focusrite-scarlett.htm
Post by: julsam on June 17, 2013, 12:41:08 PM
Focusrite is usually a good investment. Check out SoS' for their reviews; this should give you an idea, though:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb12/articles/focusrite-scarlett.htm
Thank you so much Sir! Still on a hunt for a relatively cheap but quality interface. This will help a lot
Post by: KitC on June 22, 2013, 08:36:02 PM
Thank you so much Sir! Still on a hunt for a relatively cheap but quality interface. This will help a lot
When in doubt, go for the middle ground as long as it provides the number of inputs and features you require. It often pays to go for branded stuff, but try lurking in the manufacturer's user forums... usually brings up signs of potential problems. You will have to separate the user error complaints, though, and there can be a lot of those.
Post by: --randz-- on June 24, 2013, 07:59:27 AM
Thank you so much Sir! Still on a hunt for a relatively cheap but quality interface. This will help a lot
I have an M-audio Avid Recording but with only 2 inputs. 2 years ko na ginagamit pero ok pa din..
try to check JB Music.. may downpour sale sila..
Post by: calunsagjed on July 03, 2013, 12:10:12 AM
i've got a presonus firestation without the CD as it's software, now the problem
is i don't know what recording software is compatible to this interface and
how to get it/download it...
i need help sir...thanks!
Post by: jamming_papu on July 03, 2013, 12:33:30 AM
sir, this is very helpful, im just a newbie in recording
i've got a presonus firestation without the CD as it's software, now the problem
is i don't know what recording software is compatible to this interface and
how to get it/download it...
i need help sir...thanks!
I think checking the product website would help you know more about the item.
http://www.presonus.com/products/FIREstation/downloads
usually, an interface needs to be installed so you need to have its drivers.
about the recording software, since its ASIO capable, you shouldn't have any problem about its compatibility with recording software since ASIO driver is generally used by almost every recording software.
Post by: calunsagjed on July 03, 2013, 10:10:43 PM
Post by: KitC on July 05, 2013, 07:45:20 PM
i don't know what recording software is compatible to this interface
try to go to the presonus site and see if you can download the cd there.
as for software, try Reaper: http://www.reaper.fm/
you can use it without buying, but since it is only $60, it is a good investment.
Post by: kym005 on July 06, 2013, 11:49:12 AM
Anong software po ba ang pasok sa characteristics na hinahanap ko.
1. User-friendly
3. Simple interface
2. Guitar recording
3. Voice recording
4. Minimal effects, options, & other technical stuff (I'm bad at tweaking)
OPTIONAL: may drumkit
PC specs: AMD Phenom II Triple-Core 2.1Ghz, 4Gb Ram
Thanks in advance! :-)
PS: Wala akong interface. Direct guitar cable to PC ang magiging set-up ko. Not pursuing the pro sound, just good enough to be put in my mp3 player.
Post by: Xelly on July 06, 2013, 12:58:26 PM
Good day.Eto bro:
Anong software po ba ang pasok sa characteristics na hinahanap ko.
1. User-friendly
3. Simple interface
2. Guitar recording
3. Voice recording
4. Minimal effects, options, & other technical stuff (I'm bad at tweaking)
OPTIONAL: may drumkit
PC specs: AMD Phenom II Triple-Core 2.1Ghz, 4Gb Ram
Thanks in advance! :-)
PS: Wala akong interface. Direct guitar cable to PC ang magiging set-up ko. Not pursuing the pro sound, just good enough to be put in my mp3 player.
try to go to the presonus site and see if you can download the cd there.Pero walang drumkit yan
as for software, try Reaper: http://www.reaper.fm/
you can use it without buying, but since it is only $60, it is a good investment.
Post by: kym005 on July 06, 2013, 01:01:34 PM
Mas madali ba siya gamitin kaysa Ableton? Meron ako Ableton pero nahihirapan ako intindihin eh.
Post by: KitC on July 06, 2013, 03:09:30 PM
^
Mas madali ba siya gamitin kaysa Ableton? Meron ako Ableton pero nahihirapan ako intindihin eh.
afaik, ableton already has a drumkit but you have to think in terms of pattern sequencing.
Post by: kym005 on July 06, 2013, 03:19:32 PM
afaik, ableton already has a drumkit but you have to think in terms of pattern sequencing.
Yung interface po sir KitC, mas beginner-friendly po ba yung Reaper kaysa Ableton?
Thanks in advance.
Post by: KitC on July 06, 2013, 03:34:04 PM
ableton live also does audio, but you have to think in terms of clips and loops, which it excels at. i was a user of ableton 7 until I was disappointed with its midi implementation, which at the time, was very important for me. ableton 7 was more supportive of softsynths and audio loops rather than external midi gear, which my setup consists of, mainly. I use Sonar 8 for most of my sequencing needs anyway.
Post by: kym005 on July 06, 2013, 03:43:33 PM
depends on your way of thinking. if you tend to think in a linear fashion (as in tape recording), reaper is recommended while ableton is more for pattern recording. however there is one caveat with reaper... it treats midi and audio tracks as one so it may give rise to some confusion if you like to keep midi and audio separate. if all you are doing is audio, then reaper is quite good for the money. I do suggest paying for the license since reaper support is very impressive.
ableton live also does audio, but you have to think in terms of clips and loops, which it excels at. i was a user of ableton 7 until I was disappointed with its midi implementation, which at the time, was very important for me. ableton 7 was more supportive of softsynths and audio loops rather than external midi gear, which my setup consists of, mainly. I use Sonar 8 for most of my sequencing needs anyway.
Simple guitar and vocals lang ang ire-record ko sir, audio tracks lang po, in fact wala akong alam sa mga midi, loops, and other stuff.
So Reaper it is. Maraming salamat po. :-)
Post by: gineanne on July 16, 2013, 03:47:41 AM
Salamat po. Bassist po pala ako. Kasi kapag nanonood ako sa youtube, ang gaganda ng mga cover nila. Ang ganda ng mga tunog. Salamat po sa tulong. :)
Post by: Xelly on July 16, 2013, 07:42:34 AM
Para sa tanong mo, sakto yung Line6 UX1 sakto maraming nagbebenta ngayon sa classifieds! Audio interface/sound card yun na may built in amp modellers na. :-)
Post by: djsensui on July 20, 2013, 08:00:09 PM
ang gusto ko kasi i accomplish mag record ng instrument isa isa.
first mag record ako ng guitar, then bass tapos drums yung huli.
ipag me merge ko na ang sa audacity.
ang problem ko lang e may sasabayan akong mp3.
gusto ko sana naririnig ko sa headphone yung mp3 kasama yung guitar playing ko pero dapat pag dating sa recording e yung guitar lang.
Gumamit ako ng 3.5mm splitter pero panget yung lumalabas sa headphones.
ano ba magandang solution dito?
thanks.
Post by: Rock_on on July 26, 2013, 08:58:37 PM
My PC is good enough for gaming and multimedia purposes.. The only thing is an audio interface
Guitar recording lang po ang habol ko.
I dont have one mga sir, onboard soundcard lang gamit ko (i know soundcard = audio interface; new term nga lang and interface)
I saw on some forums that says onboard is ok, while others say you should buy audio interface.
Ano po ba talaga?? I want a decent audio quality. Decent, not best or fancy or whatever.
If the problem would be the sound will be thin or weak signal then i can make a simple preamp just enough to boost my signal.. Or if the problem is the impedance, i can make a simple buffer.
I have no latency issues with my Realtek HD audio onboard soundcard, but still i want to take an advice from you guys.
Right now, im plugging my guitar in the line in and not in the mic in port.. I know my signal was weak cause when i hit the record button in adobe audition, i can only see small line. Ginawan ko na to ng preamp dte kso ung mga presets ko nakaset na.. pahirapan nanaman kung aayusin ko pa
Btw, im using my pc as my amp and fx processor. Wala akong mgndang amp at pedals, i will do the micing pg meron na...
If audio interface is necessary meron bang cheap or generic kahit CDR king lang?
100-1000 ung price range na kaya ko.. Im just a simple student na may allowance enough for me lang.
Post by: Rock_on on July 26, 2013, 09:06:40 PM
question lang. first time ko kasi mag rerecord.
ang gusto ko kasi i accomplish mag record ng instrument isa isa.
first mag record ako ng guitar, then bass tapos drums yung huli.
ipag me merge ko na ang sa audacity.
ang problem ko lang e may sasabayan akong mp3.
gusto ko sana naririnig ko sa headphone yung mp3 kasama yung guitar playing ko pero dapat pag dating sa recording e yung guitar lang.
Gumamit ako ng 3.5mm splitter pero panget yung lumalabas sa headphones.
ano ba magandang solution dito?
thanks.
Anu ba setup mo? Gaya ng akin siguro
Gamir ko Guitar FX box 2
Tpos ung input device ko stereo mix and that means lahat ng audio streaming from my pc is marerecord (sa audacity, audition, etc) kaya pag nagplay ka sa pc marerecord din.
Ako ginagawa ko lang iplay ko ang mp3 sa iphone or ipod or kahit ano basta di sa pc.. Tapos hit record.
Or.. Kung di yun ung problem at ang yung problem mo ay yung di mo alam panu pakinggan ung playing mo eto gawin mo
Install mo reaper kahit trial lang
Tpos insert new track tpos click mo ung monitoring
Maririnig mo na sarili mo nun..
Clean signal nirerecord mo o anu? Pakidefine setup mo
Post by: Autoplay2009 on July 27, 2013, 04:40:13 AM
What I need: To record guitar and bass tracks only in my computer.
My computer: Windows XP SP1, 1.6ghz processor, 512mb RAM (yes, not the ideal pc specs. yung ram baka dagdagan ko), Cool Edit Pro yung malamang na gamitin kong software c/o my friend.
What I plan to buy: 2 to 4 channel mixer
Budget: up to 3k
any specific brands and models for the mixer?
san ba maganda bumili, and ano pros and cons ng product na yun?
any suggestions are welcome. :)
Thanks in advance mga sir/ma'am
Post by: skin on July 27, 2013, 07:19:01 AM
Guys, I need your inputs please. :?
What I need: To record guitar and bass tracks only in my computer.
My computer: Windows XP SP1, 1.6ghz processor, 512mb RAM (yes, not the ideal pc specs. yung ram baka dagdagan ko), Cool Edit Pro yung malamang na gamitin kong software c/o my friend.
What I plan to buy: 2 to 4 channel mixer
Budget: up to 3k
any specific brands and models for the mixer?
san ba maganda bumili, and ano pros and cons ng product na yun?
any suggestions are welcome. :)
Thanks in advance mga sir/ma'am
I'd get an audio interface instead of a mixer for your purpose.
Post by: Tarkuz Toccata on July 27, 2013, 08:51:54 AM
What I need: To record guitar and bass tracks only in my computer.
My computer: Windows XP SP1, 1.6ghz processor, 512mb RAM (yes, not the ideal pc specs. yung ram baka dagdagan ko), Cool Edit Pro yung malamang na gamitin kong software c/o my friend.
What I plan to buy: 2 to 4 channel mixer
Budget: up to 3k
any specific brands and models for the mixer?
san ba maganda bumili, and ano pros and cons ng product na yun?
any suggestions are welcome. :)
Peavey XPort (http://www.peavey.com/products/index.cfm/item/1118/117951/XPort) USB guitar interface
(http://cdn.mos.musicradar.com/images/Guitarist/359/peavey-xport-usb-guitar-interface-640-80.jpg)
Quote
The Xport's high-quality ASIO™ and Core Audio™ drivers offer rock-solid performance for both Windows® and Mac® OS X. Powered by the USB bus and featuring both Headphone and Line outputs, the Xport provides musicians with a simple, hassle-free digital recording solution. Included with Xport is Peavey ReValver™ HPse amp modeling software, the only virtual amplifier that captures the true tone characteristics of vacuum tubes. This state-of-the-art software can be used as a stand-alone virtual amplifier or with your favorite recording software. We also include the REAPER™ digital audio workstation software, an advanced multi-track audio production and recording environment for Windows and OS X, is also included with the Xport.
Watch video >>
Available at http://www.audiophile.ph/index.php/contact
Post by: Autoplay2009 on July 27, 2013, 01:43:12 PM
Post by: palaka on August 01, 2013, 03:35:14 AM
eto po pala gamit ko sa ngayon quad core 2.67 GHz, 4 GH of RAM nagkakaproblema po ako lalo na pag mixing na hindi nya kaya pag marami ng plug-ins gamit ko.
salamat po
Post by: skin on August 01, 2013, 09:24:42 AM
good day mga sir planu ko pong bumili ng bagong pc anu po kayang ideal na specs? kadalasan po multi track recording 16 ch. ang nirerecord ko po.
eto po pala gamit ko sa ngayon quad core 2.67 GHz, 4 GH of RAM nagkakaproblema po ako lalo na pag mixing na hindi nya kaya pag marami ng plug-ins gamit ko.
salamat po
Ok pa yung specs ng PC mo. If you insist, get an i7 processor.
Post by: Xelly on August 01, 2013, 10:01:39 AM
Ok pa yung specs ng PC mo. If you insist, get an i7 processor.Tapos gawing 8gb ram
Post by: KitC on August 01, 2013, 05:03:52 PM
eto po pala gamit ko sa ngayon quad core 2.67 GHz, 4 GH of RAM nagkakaproblema po ako lalo na pag mixing na hindi nya kaya pag marami ng plug-ins gamit ko.
Learn to mix with less plugins. Seriously, during the analog days, we couldn't put a compressor on every channel, reverb had to be shared using an auxiliary - the aux bus got a LOT of use then, and we were very judicious with all our channel routings. Having less taught us how to use things more efficiently and we brought that into the digital age. My guess? You have too many cpu-intensive plugs in all your channels.
You could always try to render a track to free up cpu cycles. Like I said earlier, use the aux bus to your advantage.
Post by: palaka on August 01, 2013, 09:43:13 PM
Ok pa yung specs ng PC mo. If you insist, get an i7 processor.
kung mag i7 po ako sir anu pong marerecomenda nyong specs? salamat po
Post by: palaka on August 01, 2013, 09:53:37 PM
Learn to mix with less plugins. Seriously, during the analog days, we couldn't put a compressor on every channel, reverb had to be shared using an auxiliary - the aux bus got a LOT of use then, and we were very judicious with all our channel routings. Having less taught us how to use things more efficiently and we brought that into the digital age. My guess? You have too many cpu-intensive plugs in all your channels.
You could always try to render a track to free up cpu cycles. Like I said earlier, use the aux bus to your advantage.
usually sir gumagamit po talaga ako aux bus pero kadalasan naglalagay parin po ako ng plug-ins per channel lalu na pag ang genre ng kantang minimix ko ay Metal para makuha ko yung in your face na sound pati sa instrument. anu po ba ang keylangan kong iupgrade sa computer pag hindi maiwan yung ganung kadaming plug-ins? salamat po
Post by: KitC on August 02, 2013, 05:38:30 PM
Post by: anjoesatriani on August 11, 2013, 12:40:57 PM
I'm using a desktop PC right now, and no more, no less, just a simple jack adaptor.
My question is, ano masusuggest nyo na interface or di box para definitely defined at mataas ang signal to noise ratio, here are some of my criterias:
1. Affordable/Reasonable Price (Quality over price ba)
2. Pref. directly to the USB port(I don't have any external mixer or some kind of ports, just the typical ports of a regular desktop)
3. I don't even need an included Plugins/VST's and softwares within the product, I just need to record quality guitar and bass DI's(to hopefully minimize the price of expected tool)
4. One Input is a priority(I record one at a time only, that's why i may not need multiple inputs)
and btw, i always us the WaveRT feature of Windows 7 and Vista that is supported by Mixcraft when recording. and ASIO for standalone(when practicing directly to pc)
please share your thoughts and knowledge, thanks forum mates :-\ ^-^
Budget is 2-3k either 2nd hand or brand new.
Post by: skin on August 11, 2013, 12:54:47 PM
Good day mga sir, i'm recording guitar directly to the mic input of the pc for 2 years.. and obviously prone sya sa noise kaya dinadaan na lang sa mixing and editing.
I'm using a desktop PC right now, and no more, no less, just a simple jack adaptor.
My question is, ano masusuggest nyo na interface or di box para definitely defined at mataas ang signal to noise ratio, here are some of my criterias:
1. Affordable/Reasonable Price (Quality over price ba)
2. Pref. directly to the USB port(I don't have any external mixer or some kind of ports, just the typical ports of a regular desktop)
3. I don't even need an included Plugins/VST's and softwares within the product, I just need to record quality guitar and bass DI's(to hopefully minimize the price of expected tool)
4. One Input is a priority(I record one at a time only, that's why i may not need multiple inputs)
please share your thoughts and knowledge, thanks forum mates :-\ ^-^
Budget is 2-4k either 2nd hand or brand new.
Marami sa classifieds. May Line6 UX1 ako nakita for 4K.
Post by: anjoesatriani on August 11, 2013, 01:10:32 PM
Marami sa classifieds. May Line6 UX1 ako nakita for 4K.
napasobra ata lagay ko sa 4k, hehe, any other more options, pref. dikit sa 2k.. i might not need the podfarm, and it is a factor din siguro kaya medyo pricey ang UX1..
Post by: kirov on August 11, 2013, 01:25:49 PM
Post by: anjoesatriani on August 11, 2013, 02:18:29 PM
Sa budget mo pafs wala masyado option. :oops:
then what are the other options of yours sir? :-)
Post by: kirov on August 11, 2013, 03:07:10 PM
For 3.6k, Lexicon Alpha is a great deal. I've tried one, and I recommend it.
Post by: loubs_king on August 24, 2013, 10:22:16 PM
Peavey XPort (http://www.peavey.com/products/index.cfm/item/1118/117951/XPort) USB guitar interfaceSir mga magkano po ba eto?
(http://cdn.mos.musicradar.com/images/Guitarist/359/peavey-xport-usb-guitar-interface-640-80.jpg)
Watch video >>
Available at http://www.audiophile.ph/index.php/contact
Post by: Tarkuz Toccata on August 24, 2013, 10:38:41 PM
Post by: KitC on August 25, 2013, 10:08:07 PM
Post by: myfourteen405 on August 26, 2013, 07:13:22 PM
1. Currently gusto ko sana either Sonar X2 or Pro tools 11 compatible
2. meron na kong M-Audio Mobilepre MK2. (na so far compatible naman dun sa mga DAW of choices ko base sa websites nila).
3. Hindi ko trip mag MAC. Mas preferred ko windows based na laptop for flexibility plus mas sanay ako sa windows kaysa sa IOS systems.
4. Currently I am looking into ASUS k55vj-sx074h kasi hanggang dito lang budget ko (max): pero hindi ko alam kung saan ako magkakaproblema dito in terms of hardware compatibility kasi hindi ko magets yung hardware information na offered ng mga websites eto yung complete specs nya (core I7 7200 rpm yung HDD)
http://www.asus.com/ph/Notebooks_Ultrabooks/K55VJ/#specifications
5. Eto naman yung specifications ng suggested ng protools 11: Dell M6700, which hindi ko kaya to in terms of budget:
http://www.dell.com/ph/business/p/precision-m6700/pd
5. So far nasubukan ko nang mag run ng Sonar X2 project file (without vst plugins) sa laptop na to through my friend and so far it works well with 1% CPU usage.
6. Preferred kong mag Protools 10 or 11 kung kakayanin ng budget pero kung suntok sa buwan yun dahil sa budget; Okay lang mag Sonar X2 tutal hindi naman yung DAW ang issue kundi yung mixing and mastering skills.
Sana po may makatulong: At sa mga mambabara lang po pasubali na lang po respeto lang kasi yung tamang info lang ang kailangan ko; hindi po kaaway at kayabangan n'yo. Salamat po
Post by: kirov on August 26, 2013, 09:29:44 PM
Kung gagamit kyo ng maraming plugins, get an i7
Mas maganda sana boss kung i7 with 8GB of RAM na yung kunin mo para kumbaga, future proof.
Saka wag mo kalimutan ang external hard drive para sa backup ng mga files. A 35 to 40k budget is enough.
Cheers!!!
Post by: myfourteen405 on August 27, 2013, 02:36:06 AM
Kung mag-record kayo one track at a time, an i5 with 4GB of RAM will do the job.
Kung gagamit kyo ng maraming plugins, get an i7
Mas maganda sana boss kung i7 with 8GB of RAM na yung kunin mo para kumbaga, future proof.
Saka wag mo kalimutan ang external hard drive para sa backup ng mga files. A 35 to 40k budget is enough.
Cheers!!!
salamat sa idea \m/ \m/
Post by: renkai0218 on August 28, 2013, 02:48:50 PM
Any suggestion/s? :idea:
Post by: Tarkuz Toccata on August 28, 2013, 03:49:21 PM
My question is what do you recommend headphones that I can use to monitor my recording? Probably that costs around 2k?
Read here >> http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=291931.0
Studio monitors >> http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=292781.0
Post by: renkai0218 on August 29, 2013, 10:46:36 AM
Read here >> http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=291931.0
Studio monitors >> http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=292781.0
Sir Tarkuz! I think I will go with the Samson. :) Salamat! :mrgreen:
Post by: KitC on September 03, 2013, 10:47:03 AM
Kung mag-record kayo one track at a time, an i5 with 4GB of RAM will do the job.
When Roland reps came here a few years ago demoing Sonar X1, they were running it on an i5 with several tracks (the entire screen was full of tracks) aside from running vst synths and plugs. That i5 will be more than sufficient for X2.
As for Protools, if its native, it SHOULD run on the i5. That said, PT is very picky about hardware, among other things, the cpu AND video card.
I'm curious about 'kaaway ay kayabangan' though. Most of the really experienced people here started from real austere gear - I'm not ashamed that I started out with a soundblaster.
Post by: GreenFire on September 07, 2013, 06:47:09 PM
Recently, hindi ako makapagmulti-track record ng maayos sa Audacity. Narerecord naman ng maayos yung first track. Pero pag nagrecord na ulit ako (for the second track), pareho lang din naman yung narecord sa first track, mas malakas nga lang. Okay pa ito dati, ngayon lang nagkaganito. Hindi na makapag-mix ng iba't-ibang tracks. :-(
I'm using a headphone mic. Overdub is on, Software Playthrough is off. Input: Realtek HD Audio: Mic Volume
Anyway, pati pala sa FL Studio. Sa tuwing gumagamit ako ng Drum Loops, palakas ng palakas yung volume. <_<
Para bang bumabalik-balik lang yung track. :oops:
Thanks in advance! :)
Post by: Yohmii on September 10, 2013, 08:43:42 PM
-Mac Book Pro
-Line 6 ux2
-Audio Technica at2020
Tapos ganito po kinalabasan.
https://soundcloud.com/yomi-calma/love-on-top-beyonce-snippet
Any Advice po? Hindi ko po kase ma appreciate ung Boses ko :( :cry:
Post by: KitC on September 11, 2013, 06:43:45 PM
@Yohmii - try to roll off the lows in your voice a bit to get more clarity.
Post by: straightwire on September 28, 2013, 04:08:31 PM
http://www.zoom.co.jp/products/r16
Pag ito ba ginamit ko di ko na kailangan bumili ng interface at pwede na mag 8 track recording tingin ko kasi mukha simple gamitin
Post by: dtmateo on September 28, 2013, 04:39:08 PM
Post by: skin on September 29, 2013, 06:34:38 PM
Found this in the net
http://www.zoom.co.jp/products/r16
Pag ito ba ginamit ko di ko na kailangan bumili ng interface at pwede na mag 8 track recording tingin ko kasi mukha simple gamitin
Audio interface na din yan. May mic na din. Hehe.
Post by: palaka on October 14, 2013, 11:24:36 PM
eto po yung specs na planu ko po sana. salamat po
intel core i7 3770k 3.50Ghz LGA 1155 IVY BRIDGE
8GB DDR3 RAM --- 2X
1 TB HARD DISK
Post by: coy_2cute on October 15, 2013, 06:53:05 AM
mga sir planu ko po bumili ng bagong computer bukas na pang recording, ba ka meron po kayong masmagandang maaadvice.
eto po yung specs na planu ko po sana. salamat po
intel core i7 3770k 3.50Ghz LGA 1155 IVY BRIDGE
8GB DDR3 RAM --- 2X
1 TB HARD DISK
overkill specs mo Sir.. invest ka din sa magandang soundcard or Audio Interface..
Post by: KitC on October 15, 2013, 09:14:14 AM
intel core i7 3770k 3.50Ghz LGA 1155 IVY BRIDGE
8GB DDR3 RAM --- 2X
1 TB HARD DISK
The previous poster said that this was overkill. Well... it depends.
Are you building a killer sampling machine with loads of softsynths and hundreds of tracks plus lots of vst plugins? If so, then yes this will do. Having designed some mean workstations for some good friends, I can say that I've actually seen them bring those fully loaded machines to their knees. But if your needs are much much lighter, you can do with an i5. Of course, an i7 will give you plugs galore!
The thing here is to choose a motherboard that you can easily upgrade the processor and ram; and don't go cheap with it! Ivy bridge and sandy bridge are both mature technologies; haswell is too new yet to even consider, but some advanced DAW builders are paving the way with those. Given a choice, I would go for the Sandy bridge-E cpu and maybe a gigabyte mobo.
coy_2cute was right about the interface, though. But be aware that there are a few pcie interfaces (RME), and don't go consumer with soundblaster or Xonar cards. Most interfaces are usb and the better ones are usb 2.0; firewire is on its way out unfortunately. At least make sure that your mobo of choice has a legacy pci slot if you get one of those interfaces. Otherwise, make sure you will have usb 3.0 and thunderbird available for future expansion.
Post by: ThEngineeRed on October 18, 2013, 12:29:51 AM
Nagback read na din ako at bago lang po ako dito. At may mga tanong lang po ako. Gumamit po kase ako ng audacity para sa mga irerecord ko, since wala pick up ang gitara ko nagdodownload lang ako ng mga instrumentals sa youtube.
question ko po: Sa audacity po kapag ininput ko na yung instrumental at magdadagdag ako ng isa pang track (which is yung voice ko) eh ang pangit po ng output nung voice humihina lumalakas naciclip ang result. pero kapag wala naman kasabay na ibang tracks pag solo lang talaga ok naman sya? Pano po kaya?
And isa pa nga po pala na nabackread ko eh isa din pwede na cause is pc specs. confident naman po ako sa specs ng pc ko: intel i5, 8gb ram, 1gb dedicated video card.
At tyaka ano po pala ang pinagkaiba ng audio interface sa usb audio box. Napanain ko po kase na sobrang mahal ng audio interface. At yung Encore na audio box sa cd r king 900 lang, pwede ko po bang gamitin yun as audio interface para sa mic and guitar para makapag record sa pc since may 2 mic inputs sya.
Salamat po. Sorry andame kong tanong.
Post by: skin on October 18, 2013, 11:56:00 AM
Hi Guys. Interested talaga ako sa recording eversince, at ngayong tapos na ang college life ko madami na kong time para mag feeling musikero hahaha..
Nagback read na din ako at bago lang po ako dito. At may mga tanong lang po ako. Gumamit po kase ako ng audacity para sa mga irerecord ko, since wala pick up ang gitara ko nagdodownload lang ako ng mga instrumentals sa youtube.
question ko po: Sa audacity po kapag ininput ko na yung instrumental at magdadagdag ako ng isa pang track (which is yung voice ko) eh ang pangit po ng output nung voice humihina lumalakas naciclip ang result. pero kapag wala naman kasabay na ibang tracks pag solo lang talaga ok naman sya? Pano po kaya?
Try Reaper. It's a multitrack DAW. www.reaper.fm/download What mic are you using? Watch your gain settings.
And isa pa nga po pala na nabackread ko eh isa din pwede na cause is pc specs. confident naman po ako sa specs ng pc ko: intel i5, 8gb ram, 1gb dedicated video card.
Puedeng puede na yan.
At tyaka ano po pala ang pinagkaiba ng audio interface sa usb audio box. Napanain ko po kase na sobrang mahal ng audio interface. At yung Encore na audio box sa cd r king 900 lang, pwede ko po bang gamitin yun as audio interface para sa mic and guitar para makapag record sa pc since may 2 mic inputs sya.
HUWAG KA MAG CDRKING!!! Consider M-Audio, Line6. Sale ang JB ngayon. Check mo M-audio Fast Track nila.
Salamat po. Sorry andame kong tanong.
Post by: ThEngineeRed on October 19, 2013, 06:28:23 PM
About sa Mic, ang gamit ko is ordinary lang. Yung lumang Mic ng JVC player namen, pang videoke. :D About po pala sa mic, san po ba ko pwede makapag canvass ng mics around 1.5k to 2.5k po budget ko if bibili ako. :D
Sige sir, dina download ko na yung Reaper. I'll try it Thanks!
Sir skin about pala sa mga audio interface, mahal pala talaga sila nakita ko po yung audio M Fast Track 2nd Hand around 8k na. Sir Skin, since na nag sstart pa lang ako mag set up PC Recording. Wala po bang ibang way bukod sa aduio interface? Medyo mahal po pala kase, kaka graduate lang eh. I mean like mga DIY or yung ENCORE USB Audio Box, nakita ko po kase na may mic in yun at di po sya CD-R King. Hehehe salamat po.
Post by: skin on October 19, 2013, 10:12:40 PM
Thank You sir Skin.
About sa Mic, ang gamit ko is ordinary lang. Yung lumang Mic ng JVC player namen, pang videoke. :D About po pala sa mic, san po ba ko pwede makapag canvass ng mics around 1.5k to 2.5k po budget ko if bibili ako. :D
Sige sir, dina download ko na yung Reaper. I'll try it Thanks!
Sir skin about pala sa mga audio interface, mahal pala talaga sila nakita ko po yung audio M Fast Track 2nd Hand around 8k na. Sir Skin, since na nag sstart pa lang ako mag set up PC Recording. Wala po bang ibang way bukod sa aduio interface? Medyo mahal po pala kase, kaka graduate lang eh. I mean like mga DIY or yung ENCORE USB Audio Box, nakita ko po kase na may mic in yun at di po sya CD-R King. Hehehe salamat po.
Ipon ka muna. Sayang lang pera mo sa CDRKing.
Post by: loubs_king on October 21, 2013, 10:11:58 AM
Thank You sir Skin.
About sa Mic, ang gamit ko is ordinary lang. Yung lumang Mic ng JVC player namen, pang videoke. :D About po pala sa mic, san po ba ko pwede makapag canvass ng mics around 1.5k to 2.5k po budget ko if bibili ako. :D
Sir eto po sa tingin ko magandang mic for pc.. :wave:
Samson Meteor USB Mic - 3k
(http://www6.pcmag.com/media/images/263208-samson-meteor-mic-angle.jpg)
ATR2500 - around 4-5k
(http://cdn.audio-technica.com/cms.tmp/resource_library/product_images/160bc3f526e69899/med/atr2500_usb_2_sq.jpg)
AT2020 - around 9k
(http://cdn.audio-technica.com/cms.tmp/resource_library/product_images/a2b9cb16563d3b88/med/at2020_usb_1_sq.jpg)
Post by: anterograde on November 16, 2013, 08:24:33 AM
Post by: secretavenger234 on November 19, 2013, 08:34:56 AM
Post by: KitC on November 19, 2013, 08:54:55 AM
Post by: secretavenger234 on November 20, 2013, 08:43:27 AM
I'd suggest backreading this thread, but some data may already be dated. First things first, what's your budget? What software do you intend to use? And what audio interface do you have or will use? Those are the 3 most important questions you have to answer before you can continue on this journey.
From 30-40K I guess. I'm planning to buy a Focusrite Firewire interface, Protools 11 or probably sonar DAW....
Post by: KitC on November 21, 2013, 10:18:07 AM
From 30-40K I guess. I'm planning to buy a Focusrite Firewire interface, Protools 11 or probably sonar DAW....
That's a good start. One thing I've been noticing... when you get an interface, make sure it has drivers for the O/S you intend to use. You might get the Saffire, but does it have Win7 drivers? 64-bit and/or 32-bit? What about the firewire interface? You might have to find a particular FW chipset for that. Another thing is motherboards. Do they support your interface without issues? I suggest getting a branded mobo, but getting one with onboard firewire might be expensive, that is if you can find one. Most are jumping on the USB 3 bandwagon - alternative is Thunderbolt, but that's a whole new can of worms. If you go Protools, you usually get the Avid USB interfaces, which at best are USB 2.0, 1.1 for the stereo/2 channel models. It's rare to find firewire interfaces nowadays.
As for O/S, either Vista or Win 7. Win 8 is too new and untested for audio in general, but some have them working just fine - not sure about PT though. You might also want to get those new Haswell procies, but the IvyBridge/Sandy Bridge i-series is fine, too! What I would do, assuming you have the interface already, is get the O/S then look for motherboards and FW interfaces that support it properly. Like I said earlier, go for established brands like Asus, Gigabyte and maybe even Intel or MSI (I've had luck with MSI so I can say its rather safe - stay away from tier-3 mobos, bios support is horrible). No need to get the most expensive mobo; something mid-priced yet has no issues with your interface is what you're after. Lurk in the forums of like interface users to find out what they use.
Then there's ram... 4GB is the absolute minimum for 64-bit Win7. Get good, fast ram - no generics. And get a good branded power supply! You will realize how important power is in keeping your system stable - generics just don't cut it.
I know all these sound expensive, and they are. But you will realize stability is very important over time. Btw, a powerful video card is not recommended when making a stable DAW. Get something in the middle... trust me.
Post by: secretavenger234 on November 22, 2013, 01:15:01 PM
That's a good start. One thing I've been noticing... when you get an interface, make sure it has drivers for the O/S you intend to use. You might get the Saffire, but does it have Win7 drivers? 64-bit and/or 32-bit? What about the firewire interface? You might have to find a particular FW chipset for that. Another thing is motherboards. Do they support your interface without issues? I suggest getting a branded mobo, but getting one with onboard firewire might be expensive, that is if you can find one. Most are jumping on the USB 3 bandwagon - alternative is Thunderbolt, but that's a whole new can of worms. If you go Protools, you usually get the Avid USB interfaces, which at best are USB 2.0, 1.1 for the stereo/2 channel models. It's rare to find firewire interfaces nowadays.
As for O/S, either Vista or Win 7. Win 8 is too new and untested for audio in general, but some have them working just fine - not sure about PT though. You might also want to get those new Haswell procies, but the IvyBridge/Sandy Bridge i-series is fine, too! What I would do, assuming you have the interface already, is get the O/S then look for motherboards and FW interfaces that support it properly. Like I said earlier, go for established brands like Asus, Gigabyte and maybe even Intel or MSI (I've had luck with MSI so I can say its rather safe - stay away from tier-3 mobos, bios support is horrible). No need to get the most expensive mobo; something mid-priced yet has no issues with your interface is what you're after. Lurk in the forums of like interface users to find out what they use.
Then there's ram... 4GB is the absolute minimum for 64-bit Win7. Get good, fast ram - no generics. And get a good branded power supply! You will realize how important power is in keeping your system stable - generics just don't cut it.
I know all these sound expensive, and they are. But you will realize stability is very important over time. Btw, a powerful video card is not recommended when making a stable DAW. Get something in the middle... trust me.
Ohh... Can you recommend some MSI Laptops that are guaranteed to have no issues with interfaces? IF you were in my shoes, what laptop and interface are you gonna buy?
Post by: KitC on November 22, 2013, 05:24:35 PM
Post by: secretavenger234 on November 25, 2013, 09:51:10 AM
Not an easy question to answer. MSI laptops are not really the best for audio; desktops are far easier to configure. Start with the interface and DAW software first then work from there.
Here's my choice..
Dell Inspiron 660 Slim Corei5
TECH SPECS
Display : DELL™ IN2030M 20-inch HD Monitor with LED
Processor : 3rd Generation Intel® Core™ i5-3330s processor (up to 3.20 GHz)
Operating System : Windows 8, English
Memory : 4GB DDR3 SDRAM, 1600MHz-1X4GB
Hard Drive : 3.5" 1TB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive
Graphics : Nvidia GeForce GT 620, 1GB, DDR3 (M117, DVI+HDMI+VGA)
Optical Drive : DVD+/-RW
Wireless : Dell Wireless 1506 (802.11 b/g/n) WLAN half mini-Card
Audio : Integrated 5.1 high definition audio
Keyboard : Dell™ KB113 USB Wired Entry Keyboard (ENG)
Mouse : Dell MS111 USB Optical Mouse
Chipset : Intel® B75 Express Chipset
Wired : Integrated 10/100/1000 Ethernet
Media Card Reader : 8-in-1 Media Card Reader
Ports
Back :
(2) USB 3.0, (4) USB 2.0, HDMI, VGA, RJ-45 (10/100/1000 Ethernet),
3-stack audio jacks supporting 5.1 surround sound
What do you think? Any recommendations?
I have some 2nd hand Macbook options such as these:
http://www.sulit.com.ph/index.php/view+classifieds/id/30589101/Apple+Macbook+Pro+13in+Intel+Core+i7+8GB+750HDD+Apple+Care?referralKeywords=Macbook&event=Search+Ranking,Position,1-13,13#advertisementDetails
and
http://www.sulit.com.ph/index.php/view+classifieds/id/30602051/Macbook+Pro+13+2.3+GHz+Core+i5%2C+8GB+Ram+%28Early+2011%29?referralKeywords=Macbook&event=Search+Ranking,Position,1-1,1#advertisementDetails
Post by: coy_2cute on November 25, 2013, 12:32:28 PM
Operating System : Windows 8, English
Use Windows 7 if you want a stable Operating System for your DAW software
Memory : 4GB DDR3 SDRAM, 1600MHz-1X4GB
Go for 8GB RAM or more
Chipset : Intel® B75 Express Chipset
B75 Chipset can only support memory speed of up to 1333 MHz. Look for Motherboard with Z77 Chipset instead. http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/311613-30-comparison-chipsets#. (http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/311613-30-comparison-chipsets#.)
Post by: KitC on November 25, 2013, 01:55:21 PM
I have some 2nd hand Macbook options such as these:
The Dell generally looks ok. Remember that the Macbook and OSX limits your DAW software choices to Garageband, Logic or Pro Tools.
Post by: secretavenger234 on November 25, 2013, 02:25:19 PM
The Dell generally looks ok. Remember that the Macbook and OSX limits your DAW software choices to Garageband, Logic or Pro Tools.
If I'd ever buy Pro tools then Macbook would be perfect is it? Will it already suffice my DIY home recording station?
Post by: KitC on November 26, 2013, 10:08:47 AM
If I'd ever buy Pro tools then Macbook would be perfect is it? Will it already suffice my DIY home recording station?
Again, in general, yes. Just make sure you get the PT/Avid set that comes with an interface.
Post by: skin on November 26, 2013, 10:21:24 AM
The Dell generally looks ok. Remember that the Macbook and OSX limits your DAW software choices to Garageband, Logic or Pro Tools.
Puede Reaper! It's free! Hehe.
Post by: jamming_papu on November 27, 2013, 01:32:56 AM
The Dell generally looks ok. Remember that the Macbook and OSX limits your DAW software choices to Garageband, Logic or Pro Tools.
Ableton Live 9 pwede na rin for Mac OS X 10.5 or later :)
Post by: KitC on November 29, 2013, 03:29:02 PM
Ableton Live 9 pwede na rin for Mac OS X 10.5 or later :)Yeah... Forgot about that. Reaper din ata OSX compatible.
Post by: anterograde on December 04, 2013, 01:03:31 PM
Ganun din pag pinakinggan ko na yung recorded sound.
Nag try na ako ng ibat ibang DAW (reaper,audacity,ableton) pero pare pareho lang ng results.
Installed na din ang asio4 all drivers, sinunod ko na din yung mga troubleshooting guides ng mga DAW softwares na ginamit ko pero ganun pa rin ang results.
Saan po kaya ang problem? sa laptop ko ba? Intel Core I3, 2gb memory, windows7
Thanks
Post by: skin on December 04, 2013, 04:19:26 PM
Sir patulong lang sana kasi pag nag rerecord ako using my POD HD300 may mga times na tumatalon yung audio,
Ganun din pag pinakinggan ko na yung recorded sound.
Nag try na ako ng ibat ibang DAW (reaper,audacity,ableton) pero pare pareho lang ng results.
Installed na din ang asio4 all drivers, sinunod ko na din yung mga troubleshooting guides ng mga DAW softwares na ginamit ko pero ganun pa rin ang results.
Saan po kaya ang problem? sa laptop ko ba? Intel Core I3, 2gb memory, windows7
Thanks
Are you using a laptop? Try recording with your laptop's internal mic using the asio4all drivers. Kung dun pa rin ang issue, laptop na yan. Probably hdd speed? Pero dapat kaya yan.
When you record, maraming tracks na ba naka playback and all plugins running?
Post by: jowash on December 05, 2013, 07:45:22 AM
Sir patulong lang sana kasi pag nag rerecord ako using my POD HD300 may mga times na tumatalon yung audio,Try to look into upgrading ur Ram its way too low for ur OS
Ganun din pag pinakinggan ko na yung recorded sound.
Nag try na ako ng ibat ibang DAW (reaper,audacity,ableton) pero pare pareho lang ng results.
Installed na din ang asio4 all drivers, sinunod ko na din yung mga troubleshooting guides ng mga DAW softwares na ginamit ko pero ganun pa rin ang results.
Saan po kaya ang problem? sa laptop ko ba? Intel Core I3, 2gb memory, windows7
Thanks
2GB is fine if ur just just trying to record a few audio track but if u are looking into using plug inns
u need at least a minimum of 4GB RAM u can also try to adjust ur audio latency settings
in ur Asio driver and lower ur GUI settings
Post by: Al_Librero on December 05, 2013, 10:01:00 AM
Sir patulong lang sana kasi pag nag rerecord ako using my POD HD300 may mga times na tumatalon yung audio,Have you looked at the Task Manager window to see how many other applications are running in the background and how much system resources they're taking up? I think 2GB is fine, you can't have MS Office, Norton Antivirus, and IE/FF/Chrome with a dozen open tabs running at the same time. It gets worse if your systems is infected with malware.
Ganun din pag pinakinggan ko na yung recorded sound.
Nag try na ako ng ibat ibang DAW (reaper,audacity,ableton) pero pare pareho lang ng results.
Installed na din ang asio4 all drivers, sinunod ko na din yung mga troubleshooting guides ng mga DAW softwares na ginamit ko pero ganun pa rin ang results.
Saan po kaya ang problem? sa laptop ko ba? Intel Core I3, 2gb memory, windows7
Thanks
Post by: anterograde on December 05, 2013, 11:55:51 AM
Post by: Zacchary_amadeus on January 01, 2014, 08:08:06 PM
Post by: KitC on January 06, 2014, 02:39:54 PM
what about recording your you tube video like recording yourself with a guitar???
What about it?
Post by: dreistaste on February 04, 2014, 07:42:42 AM
PC:
Intel Corei3- 540
4g DDR3 RAM
Interface:
Line6 POD X3L
DAW:
Reaper
TIA :)
Post by: jamming_papu on February 04, 2014, 11:12:34 PM
Post by: banjorayos on April 04, 2014, 11:55:19 AM
Guitar>effects>amp > mic>mixer>pc
ganyan po set up ko
Post by: skin on April 04, 2014, 12:07:47 PM
sir ask ko lang po paano malessen yung parang hiss or parangm ay electricfan doon sa record?
Guitar>effects>amp > mic>mixer>pc
ganyan po set up ko
What's your mic? Mixer? Audio interface?
Post by: banjorayos on April 05, 2014, 01:17:06 AM
Post by: skin on April 05, 2014, 08:22:03 AM
ordinary mic lang po sir tapos 12ch trident na mixer tapos direct sa computer
A Shure SM58 might be ordinary to you.
Get a good mic and a usb audio interface.
Post by: banjorayos on April 05, 2014, 09:48:24 AM
Post by: KitC on April 06, 2014, 11:24:27 AM
Word of advice... don't cheap out on your interface or it will come back to bite you later.
Post by: steliocore on April 09, 2014, 02:40:36 AM
Bale signal will be from guitar to board to tube amp to SM57 to audio interface to laptop. Medyo luma na laptop ko at wala pa akong budget magpalit. Specs po ay core i3 first gen, with 2gb ram. Okay kaya yung mga Lexicon interfaces? Like Alpha or Lambda? May headphones na rin po ako for monitoring, SennHD280 pro.
Sana po matulungan ninyo ako. Salamat at God bless.
Post by: coy_2cute on April 09, 2014, 06:04:47 AM
I am very interested in home recording. Yung simple lang. Makapagcompile lang ako ng mga ideya at ilang practice tracks. Pakicheck naman po kung okay yung plano ko. I'm planning to buy an instrument mic, SM57 to be exact, and an audio interface.
Bale signal will be from guitar to board to tube amp to SM57 to audio interface to laptop. Medyo luma na laptop ko at wala pa akong budget magpalit. Specs po ay core i3 first gen, with 2gb ram. Okay kaya yung mga Lexicon interfaces? Like Alpha or Lambda? May headphones na rin po ako for monitoring, SennHD280 pro.
Sana po matulungan ninyo ako. Salamat at God bless.
Since meron ka nang Headphone Monitor and Instrument Mic na balak bilhin, hindi ko na ire-recommend sayo mag-Focusrite, especially the Scarlett Studio (http://us.focusrite.com/usb-audio-interfaces/scarlett-studio)
At tsaka meron din si Presonus, yung Audiobox Studio (http://www.presonus.com/products/AudioBox-Studio)?, di ko na din ire-recommend sainyo Sir. :-P
Post by: steliocore on April 09, 2014, 10:56:23 AM
Since meron ka nang Headphone Monitor and Instrument Mic na balak bilhin, hindi ko na ire-recommend sayo mag-Focusrite, especially the Scarlett Studio (http://us.focusrite.com/usb-audio-interfaces/scarlett-studio)
At tsaka meron din si Presonus, yung Audiobox Studio (http://www.presonus.com/products/AudioBox-Studio)?, di ko na din ire-recommend sainyo Sir. :-P
Haha. Binigay lang yung headphones kaya sayang naman pag packages. So good ang Scarlett 2i2 or Audiobox USB for my purposes? Btw, okay lang po ba yung specs ng laptop ko? Kaya pa ba yun? Also, sa channel.com.ph lang po ba makukuha ang mga ito rito sa Pinas? Thanks.
Post by: skin on April 09, 2014, 06:53:05 PM
Kung mura hanap mo, Behringer Q502usb.
Post by: --randz-- on April 10, 2014, 10:54:59 AM
Specs po ay core i3 first gen, with 2gb ram.
My laptop is also core i3 and 2gb memory.. kaso nag-upgrade ko to 8gb.. but still may audio drop-out pa din.. maybe because of the built-in video card.
by the way i'm using m-audio avid recording interface.
Post by: KitC on April 12, 2014, 09:15:56 PM
Post by: --randz-- on April 13, 2014, 09:35:44 PM
Onboard video may be a problem, but also your hard drive. If its 5400 rpm, it may be too slow to support audio. Do not partition your drive; better if you can fit 2 drives in the laptop (which is often impossible).
ty si kitc.. i have to purchase soon a desktop pc with higher specs.. for the meantime magtyatyaga muna ako sa laptop ko..anyway 2 in/out lang naman yung recording interface ko. :)
Post by: anjoesatriani on April 14, 2014, 02:22:02 PM
OT:
have you guys watch this Misha Mansoor's demo, he's using one?
Post by: whapak19 on April 26, 2014, 12:40:42 AM
Di kaya mas maiging iconnect ko yung audio output nung Presonus Audiobox sa Xenyx2222USB? :cute:
Thank you in advance mga sir. :mrgreen:
Post by: KitC on May 12, 2014, 08:41:26 AM
While you can use both presonus and behri when using WDM drivers, you sometimes get better latency when using asio. The workaround is to use asio4all to "tie" the 2 together, although you sometimes suffer higher latencies and don't have positive sync between the 2 interfaces.
Post by: savadious on May 15, 2014, 03:32:46 PM
better if you can fit 2 drives in the laptop (which is often impossible).
Excellent idea !
2 Hard drives is actually my solution din. 2TB seagate now in my dvd slot
780 - 850 peso sa Gilmore... (2.5" sata laptop hard drive not included)
Convert your internal DVD to a Hard drive !
(http://images01.olx-st.com/ui/2/68/82/1391303955_582546682_1-Pictures-of--95mm-SATA-caddy-for-2nd-SATA-HDD-Replace-your-DVD-with-HDD.jpg)
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0324/3401/products/1_4948bf46-6fc3-4036-bfd0-37e4456e4810_large.jpg)
NOTE: See your laptop manual to remove your DVD. Usually 1 screw lng... 5 minute swap ! FACEPLATE from old DVD attached to new converter. looks 100% clean
Post by: KitC on May 18, 2014, 03:21:23 PM
Excellent idea !
2 Hard drives is actually my solution din. 2TB seagate now in my dvd slot
780 - 850 peso sa Gilmore... (2.5" sata laptop hard drive not included)
Convert your internal DVD to a Hard drive !
That's the way to do it! Another idea would be to put in an SSD as your system drive then a large capacity HDD in the DVD caddy. Take care with compatibility though - not usually a problem with windows machines, but one 2012 macbook that I worked on would not accept an HDD in the DVD sata connection. Turns out Apple hardwired the system that way. :-P
Post by: lestervai on May 27, 2014, 05:13:19 PM
setup is guitar>G2.1u>computer cubase le4 gamit ko. napansin ko lang na di ako mkpagrecord ng maayos at mahaba, yung habang nagrerecord ka tapos parang maghahang ng konti tapos after ng hang di na nagtuloy yung pagrerecord kasi nagpause na sya..
may nakkaexperience sa inyo ng ganto? anu kayang problema? :cry:
Post by: skin on May 27, 2014, 06:14:15 PM
guys, ask ko lang.. first time ko magtry na mag record thru my computer.
setup is guitar>G2.1u>computer cubase le4 gamit ko. napansin ko lang na di ako mkpagrecord ng maayos at mahaba, yung habang nagrerecord ka tapos parang maghahang ng konti tapos after ng hang di na nagtuloy yung pagrerecord kasi nagpause na sya..
may nakkaexperience sa inyo ng ganto? anu kayang problema? :cry:
Install ka asio4all baka mag improve.
Post by: lestervai on May 28, 2014, 12:01:26 AM
Install ka asio4all baka mag improve.
na download ko na yung asio for g2 eh parang driver nya yun dba?
Post by: coy_2cute on May 28, 2014, 12:54:20 AM
na download ko na yung asio for g2 eh parang driver nya yun dba?
Magkaiba po ang ASIO driver and Device driver. Device driver is what you install so that your PC can detect/use your G2. ASIO driver makes it possible for your PC to use an external audio interface/device, which is your G2.
Check if you have the latest version of these drivers and have it installed correctly.
Post by: balaga123 on June 01, 2014, 11:52:32 PM
is Shure SM57 good for recording guitar amps? This is the only mic I can afford for now, but I kinda like better mics
like Large Diaphragm Condenser mics which will took me 4-3 months to afford. :)
Any suggestion? Tips?
Thanks!
Post by: skin on June 02, 2014, 01:48:43 PM
Good day, Need help.
is Shure SM57 good for recording guitar amps? This is the only mic I can afford for now, but I kinda like better mics
like Large Diaphragm Condenser mics which will took me 4-3 months to afford. :)
Any suggestion? Tips?
Thanks!
It's best to record guitar amps with an SM57.
Post by: Senshei10 on June 08, 2014, 07:38:48 AM
Post by: coy_2cute on June 08, 2014, 09:17:33 AM
sir pano makokonek ung guitar sa PC saka ano pong need at kung san din nakakabili ?
I suggest you backread a bit, nandun na yung kasagutan sa tanong mo...
Post by: Senshei10 on June 08, 2014, 09:18:31 AM
I suggest you backread a bit, nandun na yung kasagutan sa tanong mo...
saang page sir ? ang dami na . haha
Post by: skin on June 09, 2014, 10:53:31 AM
sir pano makokonek ung guitar sa PC saka ano pong need at kung san din nakakabili ?
Get an ASIO supported audio device with instrument inputs.
Post by: Wild Grass Studios on June 10, 2014, 09:59:57 AM
sir pano makokonek ung guitar sa PC saka ano pong need at kung san din nakakabili ?you might wanna look here: http://channel.com.ph/products/AUDIO--MIDI-INTERFACE/ACAHAB00/
Post by: samuelfianza on June 10, 2014, 11:07:01 AM
http://channel.com.ph/product/M-TRACK/MAMADOAA0004667/?main_cate_no=ACAHAB00&display_group=1
Post by: jowash on June 10, 2014, 07:57:31 PM
Who has a personal review of this M-Audio M-track? Why is it cheap?Hi sir sa tingin ko yung dahil sa ad/da conversion rate nya 24bit 48khz pero ok na rin may insert pa
http://channel.com.ph/product/M-TRACK/MAMADOAA0004667/?main_cate_no=ACAHAB00&display_group=1
Post by: johnxm on October 07, 2014, 09:39:15 PM
Post by: skin on October 08, 2014, 07:36:20 AM
ano po ba yung affordable na audio usb interface? hindi po ba sasagap yun ng low frequency noise?
Go for the M-Audio Fast Track. Sale sa JB ngayon.
What do you mean "sasagap ng low frequency noise"? It would all depend on your sound source.
Post by: coy_2cute on October 08, 2014, 03:00:21 PM
ano po ba yung affordable na audio usb interface? hindi po ba sasagap yun ng low frequency noise?
usb interface don't record audio acoustically. So, walang low frequency noise...
Post by: loubs_king on November 28, 2014, 02:05:24 PM
sir pano makokonek ung guitar sa PC saka ano pong need at kung san din nakakabili ?
Audiophile. guitar link / peavey export.
http://www.audiophile.ph/index.php/products/view/374
Post by: laboRN on December 01, 2014, 05:13:41 AM
bale ito lang po ang meron ako sa ngayon.
pc - amd a8 PC
acoustic guitar - no pick up installed
tripath amp to power with bookshelf speakers.
plan ko lang po sana recording thru mic lang po nothing fancy basta matino at ma enjoy lang po muna. so probably po ang idea is need ko po ng mic and softwares.. ano pa po ba mga kelangan?
thanks po
Post by: skin on December 01, 2014, 12:35:47 PM
mga sir good day. gusto ko sana mag try mag record pero wala ako ka idea idea as of now.
bale ito lang po ang meron ako sa ngayon.
pc - amd a8 PC
acoustic guitar - no pick up installed
tripath amp to power with bookshelf speakers.
plan ko lang po sana recording thru mic lang po nothing fancy basta matino at ma enjoy lang po muna. so probably po ang idea is need ko po ng mic and softwares.. ano pa po ba mga kelangan?
thanks po
Kung maliit budget, Samson GoMic.
Kung may budget, get an asio supported audio interface like M-Audio Fastrack and an xlr condenser mic.
Post by: choki choki on December 26, 2014, 11:12:26 AM
saan po ba makakabili/mkakahanap ng DAW software (protools, cubase, ableton etc..) installer
nafrufrustrate na kze aq kakadownload tapos di gagana/mainstall or madalas mhirap iconfigure.
ung mura lang sana (pwede rin pirated)
thanks !!
Post by: coy_2cute on December 26, 2014, 09:49:47 PM
Good day !!
saan po ba makakabili/mkakahanap ng DAW software (protools, cubase, ableton etc..) installer
nafrufrustrate na kze aq kakadownload tapos di gagana/mainstall or madalas mhirap iconfigure.
ung mura lang sana (pwede rin pirated)
thanks !!
http://reaper.fm/
60 USD lang...
Post by: jake z on December 29, 2014, 12:29:39 AM
So Im using Sonar 8 on an I3 laptop with 2gb of RAM.
I noticed na pag marami ng kong effects, bumabagal na sya
At naghahang while playing/recording.
I saw the CPU meter, yung 1st core, na uutilize to 40%
2nd core, up to 20% but the 3rd and 4th naka 0% and yung RAM naman doesnt go up to 20%.
Ano kayang issue ng laptop ko? I was thinking of grabbing a new set of RAMS but im not sure if yun nga ang issue.
Need help:(
Post by: coy_2cute on December 30, 2014, 01:44:32 PM
Question.
So Im using Sonar 8 on an I3 laptop with 2gb of RAM.
I noticed na pag marami ng kong effects, bumabagal na sya
At naghahang while playing/recording.
I saw the CPU meter, yung 1st core, na uutilize to 40%
2nd core, up to 20% but the 3rd and 4th naka 0% and yung RAM naman doesnt go up to 20%.
Ano kayang issue ng laptop ko? I was thinking of grabbing a new set of RAMS but im not sure if yun nga ang issue.
Need help:(
Your laptop's specs should be adequate for a normal usage, although upgrading to 4 GB RAM should give you performance gains and solve usual latency problem.
Check your disk drive for free space and fragmentation issues. What audio interface are you using? Installing the latest drivers would also help.
Post by: jake z on December 30, 2014, 09:56:00 PM
Post by: mrbasshole on January 05, 2015, 04:27:37 PM
Sino na po ang nakasubok ng ROCK PRO USB Audio Interface dito gamit ang bass guitar? Okay po ba?
Salamat po sa sasagot!
:)
Post by: Nezsiacks on January 09, 2015, 05:30:29 PM
I'm planning to build
Any suggestion?
http://www.tonymacx86.com/building-customac-buyers-guide-december-2014.html
Post by: CeL1916 on January 16, 2015, 04:03:00 PM
Pero pag stand alone guitar rig or audacity softwar ang gamit ok naman, talaga bang di compatible ang samson mics sa reaper?
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Ok, sinubukan ko sa mas lower spec'd laptop with the same OS( win 7 64 bit) and same version of reaper, at gumana siya ng maayos... Weird, both are using built in realtek sound cards, ano kaya problema.
Post by: alphaexo11 on January 27, 2015, 01:23:09 AM
anung magandang setup pag laptop gamit ex. Dell
Post by: mrbasshole on March 30, 2015, 01:23:49 PM
I'm trying to record bass on my laptop and so far, it's quite a success. I've plugged my ZOOM B3 to a laptop using LE III Sequel software. Now, I want to record video while recording audio but the problem is I don't know how to sync the video (using a phone) and the audio (from the laptop). Neither do I have an amplifier to make my life simpler.
How do I go about this dilemma? I'm no tech savvy so please bear with my ignorance on the matter and your answers will be very much appreciated.
Thanks!!!
Post by: anjoesatriani on March 30, 2015, 01:30:24 PM
Post by: loubs_king on June 22, 2015, 03:36:53 AM
sir pano makokonek ung guitar sa PC saka ano pong need at kung san din nakakabili ?
Behringer Guitar Link... Meron din china version, yung china lang gamit ko, ok naman..
Meron din yung peavy... 2k+ Sa audiophile...
Post by: astrob0y on September 05, 2015, 05:58:03 PM
i have a toshiba satellite, i7-2630QM @ 2.00 GHz, 4GB RAM, 750GB HDD 5400RPM
would this be enough to enable me to record a song(guitar and vocals only) or should i upgrade it?
planning to buy a focusrite scarlett 2i2 as my audio interface and i'll use the bundled DAW.
and what would be the cheapest desktop or laptop to record a decent song(guitar and vocals only as well)?
thanks in advance!
Post by: jake z on September 05, 2015, 10:33:25 PM
hi guys! first time to try home recording.
i have a toshiba satellite, i7-2630QM @ 2.00 GHz, 4GB RAM, 750GB HDD 5400RPM
would this be enough to enable me to record a song(guitar and vocals only) or should i upgrade it?
planning to buy a focusrite scarlett 2i2 as my audio interface and i'll use the bundled DAW.
and what would be the cheapest desktop or laptop to record a decent song(guitar and vocals only as well)?
thanks in advance!
I have a fujitsu lifebook with 500gb hdd, i3 and a 2gb ram using sonar x3, pod farm, ez mix and superior drummer
So far oks naman. Depende pa rin sa settings mo sa pc and sa daw.
But na experience ko na yung latency kapag more 20 tracks tapos may plug ins.
Post by: agapito on September 24, 2015, 10:47:51 AM
I've tried recording some years back using Toshiba laptop with audacity. Since I didn't have audio interface at that time and i did not trust my PC's onboard audio, I used my Triton Extreme as an AD converter using the sampling input. The resulting audio file was recorded in its CF card in wav form. I then extracted the audio file into my PC then opened it in audacity.
The setup:
Mic/Instrument -> mixer -> Triton -> PC
It worked but I won't do it again.
Post by: jake z on September 25, 2015, 05:35:37 AM
saang page sir ? ang dami na . haha
I think page 1 can be a good start, aside from the
things you need, the issues that you might encounter
will also be answered.
Post by: loubs_king on October 16, 2015, 10:47:53 PM
Mga sir, konting tulong naman po.
I'm trying to record bass on my laptop and so far, it's quite a success. I've plugged my ZOOM B3 to a laptop using LE III Sequel software. Now, I want to record video while recording audio but the problem is I don't know how to sync the video (using a phone) and the audio (from the laptop). Neither do I have an amplifier to make my life simpler.
How do I go about this dilemma? I'm no tech savvy so please bear with my ignorance on the matter and your answers will be very much appreciated.
Thanks!!!
Try sony vegas :)
Just record your audio in your DAW, then export it, on vegas you can just drag the file/s to the software and sync it just by dragging :)
Question.
So Im using Sonar 8 on an I3 laptop with 2gb of RAM.
I noticed na pag marami ng kong effects, bumabagal na sya
At naghahang while playing/recording.
I saw the CPU meter, yung 1st core, na uutilize to 40%
2nd core, up to 20% but the 3rd and 4th naka 0% and yung RAM naman doesnt go up to 20%.
Ano kayang issue ng laptop ko? I was thinking of grabbing a new set of RAMS but im not sure if yun nga ang issue.
Need help:(
Try Sub tracks/ submixing...
You can put the effects on your submix instead of putting it on each track :)
Yung samson g track ko eh hindi gumagana ng maayos sa reaper kahit na asio4all driver settings na gamit ko, putol putol yung sound. Na narercord, actually kahit sa samson go mic ganun siya.
Pero pag stand alone guitar rig or audacity softwar ang gamit ok naman, talaga bang di compatible ang samson mics sa reaper?
---------------------------------------
Ok, sinubukan ko sa mas lower spec'd laptop with the same OS( win 7 64 bit) and same version of reaper, at gumana siya ng maayos... Weird, both are using built in realtek sound cards, ano kaya problema.
Check your settings sa audio interface kung naka enable young enhancements like noise cancellation :)
Post by: jowash on October 26, 2015, 10:24:06 AM
Question.
So Im using Sonar 8 on an I3 laptop with 2gb of RAM.
I noticed na pag marami ng kong effects, bumabagal na sya
At naghahang while playing/recording.
I saw the CPU meter, yung 1st core, na uutilize to 40%
2nd core, up to 20% but the 3rd and 4th naka 0% and yung RAM naman doesnt go up to 20%.
Ano kayang issue ng laptop ko? I was thinking of grabbing a new set of RAMS but im not sure if yun nga ang issue.
Need help:(
Your laptop's specs should be adequate for a normal usage, although upgrading to 4 GB RAM should give you performance gains and solve usual latency problem.
Check your disk drive for free space and fragmentation issues. What audio interface are you using? Installing the latest drivers would also help.
RAM upgrade Sir 4GB percore as long as you stick with 64bit system may option ka up to 12GB masyadong mababa ang 2GB
Post by: _dax_ on December 08, 2015, 05:42:12 PM
Win 10 64bit
AMD FX Bulldozer CPU
8GB DDR3 RAM
MSI Mobo with decent built sound card
Focusrite Scarlett Studio USB Interface
DAWs: Cubase LE, FL Studio
For some reason, I can't record or produce any sound output from the drum pad machine running on xperia Z3 lined in to the Focusrite interface.
Thanks
Post by: Jellybean on October 08, 2016, 02:09:47 PM
I want to research, check gear reviews and ask people's opinions on my idea before executing it completely.
Here is the setup:
4 piece band - 2 guitars, 1 bass guitar, 1 electronic drum kit, 3 dynamic mics
All go into a Behringer Xenyx Q1202FX mixer
I'll use a Behringer HA400 to amplify our headphones since it's a silent band practice
I don't have any recording experience and as far as what I've read so far the mixer I chose will only record 1 stereo track (need your opinion on the pros and cons of this) I also want to use the Behringer UCA222 as my soundcard but I'm not sure as to what software to use for recording. As much as possible I want it to be free since I'm just experimenting and maybe later if it proved fruitful then maybe I can take it seriously.
Hope the more experienced/experts can shed some light here. Thanks!
Post by: gineanne on October 10, 2016, 09:09:11 AM
Post by: CeL1916 on October 10, 2016, 01:58:36 PM
Yep marerecord mo lahat yun in one track, cons? Limited ang mixing mo, coz you cant throw eq and compression per track, pero mixing a whole track to sound decent is doable kung personal demos lang. DAW of choice is reaper, its a beast and its free.
@Gineanne
Paanong popping sound? Check mo siguro yung gain mo baka nagclip, or asio4all settings, experiment mo.
Post by: Jellybean on October 10, 2016, 03:05:43 PM
Thanks. I guess sa mixer na lang namen timplahin yun EQ, compression and effects if needed.
Post by: gineanne on October 12, 2016, 08:54:14 AM
Mga sir, ano pong gamit nyong DAW? eto po ung mga software ko na ginagamit, share ko lang. :)
Studio One 3
Reaper
Ezdrummer2
Amplitube4
Bias FX
Steven slate drums
may tanong lang po ako, may alam po ba kayong vst na parang darkglass b7k ung tunog?
Thank you po sa inyong lahat.
Post by: Jellybean on October 12, 2016, 01:50:45 PM
Post by: CeL1916 on October 12, 2016, 06:33:28 PM
i'm really new to recording and yesterday I tried Reaper. Problem is the monitoring latency is so bad I couldn't even get a decent recording unless I switch off monitor and just listen to me guitar play acoustically
Naka asio4all driver ka? Install mo yun kung hindi pa.
Post by: Jellybean on October 13, 2016, 03:34:37 PM
Post by: CeL1916 on October 13, 2016, 04:35:09 PM
Yes naginstall ako last night after checking youtube, but another issue came up. hindi nacacapture yun signal ko after choosing Asio4all...help :cry:
Kalikutin mo lang din sa windows settings, win7 ba gamit mo? Mahirap itoubleshoot pag di ko nakikita eh, pero i suspect eh sa "sound and devices" settings ng windows
Post by: Jellybean on October 13, 2016, 07:40:25 PM
Post by: CeL1916 on October 13, 2016, 08:02:24 PM
Post by: Jellybean on October 14, 2016, 01:16:37 PM
Try ko mamaya guitarconnect cable to laptop mic input using jamup pro xt sa ipad..
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on October 14, 2016, 03:07:23 PM
So mali ba kung connect ko lang orange micro terror headphones out sa mic input ng laptop ko?
Try ko mamaya guitarconnect cable to laptop mic input using jamup pro xt sa ipad..
one, may latency issues kung direct to soundcard ka, unless mag ASIO4ALL ka.
two, kung naka ASIO4ALL ka na, may noise naman na inherent pag direct to soundcard ka
three, hindi "solid" yung makukuha mong tunog kung galling micro terror out dahil wala naming cab simulation yung micro terror headphone out. mas okay pa kung I attach to speaker mo si micro terror, then mic the speakers. then again, just use a Guitar Effects and Amplifier VST.
Post by: CeL1916 on October 15, 2016, 12:12:13 AM
So mali ba kung connect ko lang orange micro terror headphones out sa mic input ng laptop ko?
Try ko mamaya guitarconnect cable to laptop mic input using jamup pro xt sa ipad..
What ralph said.
Isa pa hindi talaga ok gamitin ang mic input or "built in soundcard" for recording kasi lagi ka lang magkakaissue.
Post by: Jellybean on October 15, 2016, 01:00:04 PM
Nagtataka lang ako, when I first tried na direct to mic input from headphones out ng MT gumana sya sa waveout, pero sa Asio4all hindi.
Last night I tried the same setup, pero both hindi na gumagana, mukhang may sira yun laptop ko :eek:
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on October 17, 2016, 09:43:18 AM
Thanks mga master! Hintayin ko na lang siguro yun U-Phoria UM2.
Nagtataka lang ako, when I first tried na direct to mic input from headphones out ng MT gumana sya sa waveout, pero sa Asio4all hindi.
Last night I tried the same setup, pero both hindi na gumagana, mukhang may sira yun laptop ko :eek:
kailangan mo parin I configure yung asio4all paps. may ON/OFF switches/buttons yun para maroute kung aling input ang gagamitin ni asio. tapos route asio as your In/out source sa DAW mo.
Post by: mjsmanahan29 on October 30, 2016, 01:54:41 PM
https://soundcloud.com/mjsmanahan36/sets/maschalismos-3-songs-set
https://soundcloud.com/mjsmanahan36/sets/10-drafts-without-vocals
www.facebook.com/maschalismos
Post by: mjsmanahan29 on November 01, 2016, 08:56:05 PM
https://soundcloud.com/mjsmanahan36/sets/maschalismos-3-songs-set
https://soundcloud.com/mjsmanahan36/sets/10-drafts-without-vocals
www.facebook.com/maschalismos
Post by: mjsmanahan29 on November 01, 2016, 08:56:51 PM
https://soundcloud.com/mjsmanahan36/sets/maschalismos-3-songs-set
https://soundcloud.com/mjsmanahan36/sets/10-drafts-without-vocals
www.facebook.com/maschalismos
Post by: rnodern on May 14, 2017, 02:25:35 PM
i'm really new to recording and yesterday I tried Reaper. Problem is the monitoring latency is so bad I couldn't even get a decent recording unless I switch off monitor and just listen to me guitar play acousticallyEven with Asio4All, there will still be some delay. From memory i think the lowest is 2ms. First of all, check that ASIO4ALL is your chosen driver in your DAW.
Reduce the buffer to its lowest setting in ASIO4All.
Keep in mind that if your CPU isn't fast enough it may struggle to output sound if you're using lots of effects if the buffer is low.
Post by: mjsmanahan29 on October 04, 2017, 08:27:32 PM
https://soundcloud.com/mjsmanahan36/sets/maschalismos-3-songs-set
https://soundcloud.com/mjsmanahan36/sets/10-drafts-without-vocals
www.facebook.com/maschalismos
Post by: jajacabel on January 15, 2018, 12:53:41 PM
Unang sample (unfinished) record ko using reaper and me80 as interface and effects. Beginner pa medyo hihi.
Ps. Medyo nahirapan ako magrender sa reaper. Unable to render to mp3 daw kaya napilitan akong .WAV na lang. How can i solve?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on January 15, 2018, 01:29:30 PM
https://soundcloud.com/iamjeshaiah/cryin-unfinished-joe-satriani-cover
Unang sample (unfinished) record ko using reaper and me80 as interface and effects. Beginner pa medyo hihi.
Ps. Medyo nahirapan ako magrender sa reaper. Unable to render to mp3 daw kaya napilitan akong .WAV na lang. How can i solve?
Ja, kuha ka nalang ng converter for WAV to MP3 pag ganun. wag ka na magsave as MP3 sa reaper. try FREEMAKE Converter. any2any na yan halos.
Post by: robinonibor on January 15, 2018, 01:31:04 PM
https://soundcloud.com/iamjeshaiah/cryin-unfinished-joe-satriani-cover
Unang sample (unfinished) record ko using reaper and me80 as interface and effects. Beginner pa medyo hihi.
Ps. Medyo nahirapan ako magrender sa reaper. Unable to render to mp3 daw kaya napilitan akong .WAV na lang. How can i solve?
download ka lang ng Lame dll.. see mo nalang help ng reaper.. follow mo lang instruction
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on January 15, 2018, 01:34:44 PM
download ka lang ng Lame dll.. see mo nalang help ng reaper.. follow mo lang instruction
hasel eh. minsan di nadedetect zzzz.
Post by: robinonibor on January 15, 2018, 01:42:52 PM
hasel eh. minsan di nadedetect zzzz.
wala ko naging problem dito nung ni download ko and install ko yung lame :-D
yun nga lang iba ata ang binibigay na link ng reaper for lame pag nag subok kang mag convert
pero mas okay un.. hanap ka nalang ng wav to mp3 conveter :-D
Post by: jake z on January 15, 2018, 02:22:52 PM
Post by: jajacabel on January 15, 2018, 03:22:04 PM
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on January 15, 2018, 06:16:20 PM
+1 ako sa freemake. parang iba rin ang conversion pag from DAW to mp3 agad. mas ok WAV muna then tska i convert to mp3.
sakli. I hear more loss pag direct sa DAW compared sa dedicated converter.
uy ayos yung freemake ah! thanks sa inputs :wave:
yeap, OG converter! =))
Post by: nicoyow on January 15, 2018, 08:02:36 PM
https://soundcloud.com/iamjeshaiah/cryin-unfinished-joe-satriani-coverthe moment you realized. mas magaling pa mag gitara sakin si jaja. :lol: :lol:
Unang sample (unfinished) record ko using reaper and me80 as interface and effects. Beginner pa medyo hihi.
Ps. Medyo nahirapan ako magrender sa reaper. Unable to render to mp3 daw kaya napilitan akong .WAV na lang. How can i solve?
Post by: jajacabel on January 15, 2018, 09:57:29 PM
the moment you realized. mas magaling pa mag gitara sakin si jaja.Hindi naman hahaha malinis lng siguro ko maggitara even though Im a gal.
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Post by: nicoyow on January 15, 2018, 10:23:12 PM
Hindi naman hahaha malinis lng siguro ko maggitara even though Im a gal.de walang halong biro. wala ako nyang mga scales scales. ang alam ko lang major and minor pentatonic. HAHAHAHA
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Post by: red lights on January 16, 2018, 09:29:39 AM
^ malupit yan si jaja, kasama ba naman lagi si janmayer eh
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on January 16, 2018, 09:44:04 AM
Hindi naman hahaha malinis lng siguro ko maggitara even though Im a gal.
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lul mo ja. magaling ka. napanood ko rosanna solo cover mo eh. inis na inis ako nun eh HAHAHAHA solid ng take mo :)
Post by: jajacabel on January 16, 2018, 07:27:23 PM
That janmayer thing will never die na ata hahaha tagal na nun e
^ malupit yan si jaja, kasama ba naman lagi si janmayer eh
lul mo ja. magaling ka. napanood ko rosanna solo cover mo eh. inis na inis ako nun eh HAHAHAHA solid ng take mo :)Aww nakita mo yun? hahahaha 1 take cover yun. Nasaktuhan lang.
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Post by: robinonibor on January 17, 2018, 07:18:56 AM
That janmayer thing will never die na ata hahaha tagal na nun e
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kakambal na un ng name mo dito :-D
dalaw ka ng rats palagi kayo na babanggit
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on January 17, 2018, 12:59:28 PM
That janmayer thing will never die na ata hahaha tagal na nun e Aww nakita mo yun? hahahaha 1 take cover yun. Nasaktuhan lang.
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yadude. ikaw na wuma-onetake! great job on that take dude!
Post by: red lights on January 17, 2018, 01:05:30 PM
That janmayer thing will never die na ata hahaha tagal na nun e Aww nakita mo yun? hahahaha 1 take cover yun.
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#JaJanmayer for life
Post by: Boxedking on January 18, 2018, 12:51:31 AM
https://soundcloud.com/iamjeshaiah/cryin-unfinished-joe-satriani-coverGood job!
Unang sample (unfinished) record ko using reaper and me80 as interface and effects. Beginner pa medyo hihi.
Ps. Medyo nahirapan ako magrender sa reaper. Unable to render to mp3 daw kaya napilitan akong .WAV na lang. How can i solve?
Since you are using Reaper, pwede mo kargahan yan ng amp and cab sims tsaka IR impulses for more tonal options. Those can make your tone juicier.
Post by: tonwins11 on January 22, 2018, 05:35:43 PM
Post by: peeves24 on January 22, 2018, 08:39:19 PM
Post by: CeL1916 on January 23, 2018, 12:22:57 AM
I don't know if this is the right forum for my query. Anyway, I already have tried recording guitar before using USB guitar link. While I was browsing Lazado, I discovered 2 stuff that has the same price. One was a dedicated audio interface Behringer UM2 while the other one was the Behringer Xenyx 502 USB. Which among the two would you recommend for recording guitars and vocals? What are both their advantages and disadvantages. TIA! :wave:
Dun ako sa UM2 sir kasi audio interface yun talaga, and sure ka na marerecord mo yung 2 channels simultaneously on to two seperate tracks. Yung xenyx kasi diba mixer sya? So di ako sure, kung yung number of inputs nya eh pwede i-out into equal number of tracks, pero most of the time pag mixer hinde ganun.
Eh ang pag gagamitan naman eh recording so dun na tayo sa audio interface talaga. UM2 chief.
Post by: jake z on January 23, 2018, 06:22:58 AM
Post by: tonwins11 on January 25, 2018, 10:53:58 AM
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on January 25, 2018, 11:09:31 AM
Thank you so much. When I was about to click the checkout button in Lazada, a post in our local music FB page is selling a Behringer Xenyx q502USB almost half the price from the one in Lazada. Got it right away. Tried it last night and yes, 1 track lang siya for everything that you input there. Sadly, what happened next was, somebody posted an M-Audio USB interface which was priced cheaper than the price I got for the mixer. Sayang! :)
eh di bilin mo yung M-audio tas benta mo yung mixer. :)
Post by: tonwins11 on January 25, 2018, 04:56:12 PM
eh di bilin mo yung M-audio tas benta mo yung mixer. :)
Yun lang kung mabenta agad yung Mixer at di maunang mabili ng iba yung interface. :cry:
Post by: walanakamingyelo on January 25, 2018, 06:48:54 PM
Yun lang kung mabenta agad yung Mixer at di maunang mabili ng iba yung interface. :cry:
You got PM Sir :)
Post by: fender101 on January 28, 2018, 07:52:06 PM
https://soundcloud.com/iamjeshaiah/cryin-unfinished-joe-satriani-cover
Unang sample (unfinished) record ko using reaper and me80 as interface and effects. Beginner pa medyo hihi.
Ps. Medyo nahirapan ako magrender sa reaper. Unable to render to mp3 daw kaya napilitan akong .WAV na lang. How can i solve?
Try mong gumamit ng IR Cab Sim na VST tulad ng LeCab 2 freeware naman yun and keep on rockin'! baka ikaw ang maging pinoy Lari Basilio :mrgreen:
Post by: Screamous on March 24, 2018, 03:09:42 PM
I'm currently experiencing problems with my audio interface right now,
Laptop: Asus ROG GL702VMK
Audio Interface: Tascam US-366
it came with a free trial Cubase 6,
I was able to install the software of the Tascam with it's recent firmware (tingin ko ito yung DAW nya? not sure)
then Cubase, pero when I try to record from Cubase, kahit naririnig ko yung guitar thru my headphones na nkasaksak sa Tascam,
even if I tried recording like 5 seconds to test if there's any sound coming out recording with Cubase, wala, so I dunno if san ako mali?
it's my first doing this tho' :eek:
super appreciated ko yung tulong and assistance po ninyo ^_^
Post by: jake z on March 25, 2018, 07:47:53 AM
Post by: Boxedking on March 25, 2018, 12:46:39 PM
Post by: CeL1916 on March 26, 2018, 03:17:38 AM
Post by: robinonibor on March 26, 2018, 07:51:48 AM
Post by: Jellybean on March 26, 2018, 12:48:48 PM
Hi,
I'm currently experiencing problems with my audio interface right now,
Laptop: Asus ROG GL702VMK
Audio Interface: Tascam US-366
it came with a free trial Cubase 6,
I was able to install the software of the Tascam with it's recent firmware (tingin ko ito yung DAW nya? not sure)
then Cubase, pero when I try to record from Cubase, kahit naririnig ko yung guitar thru my headphones na nkasaksak sa Tascam,
even if I tried recording like 5 seconds to test if there's any sound coming out recording with Cubase, wala, so I dunno if san ako mali?
it's my first doing this tho' :eek:
super appreciated ko yung tulong and assistance po ninyo ^_^
Maybe your interface is not recognized by your DAW.
You can check the audio device/driver on your DAW, and it should be the driver for your Tascam and not the default mic/speakers of your laptop.
Post by: Screamous on March 26, 2018, 12:59:13 PM
Maybe your interface is not recognized by your DAW.
You can check the audio device/driver on your DAW, and it should be the driver for your Tascam and not the default mic/speakers of your laptop.
:wave: hi sir jellybean, my audio device is set to Tascam, and when I do direct recording like the default recorder of the computer,
pero when I try recording with Cubase 6, I can't hear anything, i'm not sure tho' if tama yung gnagawa ko or bka may iba pang dapat gawin?
Post by: Jellybean on March 26, 2018, 01:05:26 PM
I’m not familiar with how to check the audio device in Cubase because I use Reaper but in Reaper you have to manually assign the audio device for Reaper to recognize the interface. I have to do this even if I already set my audio device for record and playback on the laptop as the interface. I ran into the same issue when I was starting. Also just make sure the track is “armed” although in reaper clicking record when no track is armed will result in an error message.
:wave: hi sir jellybean, my audio device is set to Tascam, and when I do direct recording like the default recorder of the computer,
pero when I try recording with Cubase 6, I can't hear anything, i'm not sure tho' if tama yung gnagawa ko or bka may iba pang dapat gawin?
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Post by: Screamous on March 26, 2018, 02:44:26 PM
I’m not familiar with how to check the audio device in Cubase because I use Reaper but in Reaper you have to manually assign the audio device for Reaper to recognize the interface. I have to do this even if I already set my audio device for record and playback on the laptop as the interface. I ran into the same issue when I was starting. Also just make sure the track is “armed” although in reaper clicking record when no track is armed will result in an error message.
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ohhh, sige sir jellybean, I think I have Reaper, might as well try it, I just thought of using Cubase bec. my Tascam audio interface came with it.
Post by: red lights on September 03, 2020, 02:48:41 PM
first time ko lang talaga magtry magrecord sa laptop (bumili dahil kailangan ni junakis sa school)
ano ano ang kailangan ko? mura at maayos na soundcard? app na madaling gamitin?
pwede bang multi epex rekta na sa laptop? sobrang wala ako ng alam :lol:
hindi na ko nagbackread sa haba ng mga replies dito. salamat po sa tulong
Post by: Xelly on September 10, 2020, 11:08:25 PM
dito pala ko dapat nagtanong.
first time ko lang talaga magtry magrecord sa laptop (bumili dahil kailangan ni junakis sa school)
ano ano ang kailangan ko? mura at maayos na soundcard? app na madaling gamitin?
pwede bang multi epex rekta na sa laptop? sobrang wala ako ng alam :lol:
hindi na ko nagbackread sa haba ng mga replies dito. salamat po sa tulong
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