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Title: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: toybitz on December 12, 2007, 11:39:42 AM
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I hope he doesn't just leaves his contact number on the seller's page for the rest of his PhilM forum days...
I hope he'll start posting 'em guitar and amp collection that's either for sale or for keeps.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: PRSMan on December 12, 2007, 11:58:44 AM
Who's Tom the German?
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: dark_minister on December 12, 2007, 12:00:25 PM
it's that dude that has lots and lots of great guitars... if im not mistaken, he's selling some of them but i tell you, you would be amazed just what kind of guitars he have in his collection... :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: CARABAO on December 12, 2007, 12:11:50 PM
kung totoo ito, lugi... pero about the overpricing? un din balita ko eh...
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on December 12, 2007, 02:11:16 PM
ahaha!
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: swinger on December 12, 2007, 02:44:50 PM
i know this guy.. i sold my washburn lyon series, zoom 4040 and my korg ax1g to him. binarat nya yung eFx pero reasonable naman kasi defective na parehas. pero yung guitar ok lang.
mang-goyo? well, nasa atin na yun kung magpapagoyo tayo o hindi. for me his ok.
but, you have to see his gears! MISMO! 8-)
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: faceless on December 12, 2007, 03:44:34 PM
i always wanted to make a thread bwt him pero i dunno if it will become a hate thread or whatever you call it hehe...its good toybits made this thread for those who don't know him
i dealt with him cash+my beloved peavey classic 20, 2003 pa un...nampusa, prinesyohan ung amp ko ng 6k? trade sa mesa amp..which btw i sold it double the price hehe...talking about mangogoyo eerrr...sa cousin ko who is bigtime naman... and talagang pinilit ako eh as in...:evil:
i mean its good that some peeps dealt with him already, and know him for that matter. but for those who doesn't know him at all, he got great eye for branded ones, sometimes irresistible offers... pero nasa sa atin na if we really wanted to sell our stuff, if its a good deal, why not, if not then our idea of right and wrong is needed na hehe!
so guys be wary...not only of him, but also sa mga nakakadeal natin, the registry is there for us to browse on sellers and buyers, kaya its good to have our guards up!
"if you receive message like a telegram and like nonsense phrase msg dat you call him interested wanna buy your stuff" hehehe...then its definitely him!
peace! happy holidays! :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: abstract on December 12, 2007, 04:17:15 PM
some of his items are cheap and some are expensive, meron din pabago bago cya ng price. :-)
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: ferdz_33 on December 12, 2007, 04:17:40 PM
had dealt with him just once. but for me he's okay compared to what others are saying. he's a businessman (Buy and sell) so its just logic that he prices his items high and buys low.
sa mga naghahanap ng Gibson LP's, dami syang display ngayon. :-o
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: abstract on December 12, 2007, 04:38:51 PM
Yeah its a usual thing for a buy n sell business, buyin things for low and sellin it a bit higher... but it must be a reasonable price sana. Another thing is the quick price change nya, i asked him for a quotation sa mga pedal na hanap ko, the next day nag bago na agad ng price :-) Ay ewaaan.hehe
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: AthanVai on December 12, 2007, 05:07:35 PM
ayaw nya din mag pa take ng pics of his guitars... gusto ko sana ng kahit souvenir lang. :cry:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: dark_minister on December 12, 2007, 05:18:41 PM
OT: teka, san ba siya matatagpuan? naririnig ko lang siya kasi tsaka iisa pa lang sa mga kilala ko ang nakakita sa kanya at mga gears niya pati mga karakas niya... san ba siya? puro kuwento lang naririnig ko sa kanya eh, binanggit sakin yung ilan sa mga gears niya at ang masasabi ko lang ay...... D@MN! :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: CARABAO on December 12, 2007, 05:27:43 PM
sa may ccp/roxas blvd/malate area siya. kung may pera ka, dun ka bmili, dami niya talagang stuff. mabait siya kung mabait, pero makunat. hahaha. damn. he even wanted to buy my japanese lp. lagi syia nagtetext. but if he really wanted it badly, he should've met up with me, di ba? i won't go to his place kasi home court advantage yun. parang magpapabarat ka na lang talaga kasi pmunta ka pa mismo sa kanya. hahahah. galing eh no? buyer na nagpapapunta sa bahay. baliktad ang mundo, hindi bilog. bwahahahaha
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: ryanalvin on December 12, 2007, 06:39:58 PM
I hope he doesn't just leaves his contact number on the seller's page for the rest of his PhilM forum days...
I hope he'll start posting 'em guitar and amp collection that's either for sale or for keeps.
been to his place sa roxas blvd, grabe mga guitars, etc. pero your right, dapat start n cya post mga gamit nya, kahit wag na yung mga super high end nya if he's afraid of lowballers,etc.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: hubristenebris on December 12, 2007, 07:40:53 PM
hmnnn i bought a 1994 gibson SG standard for 20k from him. Good deal? [strawberry] YEAH! :mrgreen: pero got to agree he is a business man. No small talk or whatever. he has lots of vintage guitars... as in.. i remember he had this 1961 Sg... hes selling it for around a 180k? What I know about Tom is that he buys things here and sells it in germany... Oh well... The guy has really good taste in guitars.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: bluenote on December 12, 2007, 08:24:46 PM
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: haey2 on December 12, 2007, 09:27:16 PM
yep...he's the German guy that buys/sells guitar stuff...i think sa legaspi tower sya nakatira infront of CCP/Roxas blvd...he texted me a few weeks ago asking for the stuff im selling....one word - sobrang LOWBALL magpresyo.... :x
i'd rather deal w/ guys here in philmusic whose honest & fair (as most of the people i have dealt with)...wala pa naman ako bad experience kay tom...and I choose not to... 8-)
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: nealyu on December 12, 2007, 09:32:07 PM
saakin is okay lang na ganun siya kasi it's his job and nasainyo rin naman yun if you want to buy/sell the items from/to him.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: faceless on December 12, 2007, 10:19:39 PM
nag GERMAN INVASION siya sa buy and sell mag, pinakyaw na ata nya lahat ng mga magaganda dun years back
NOW, BLITZKRIEG nya rin ang PHILMUSIC haha...guards up lang tayo, baka tau rin ang maubusan hehe!!!!
he bought a uber beaten tokai hardcase from me (part of the trade), ship nya daw sa germany with his other gtrs for sale...and yes he makes even bigger euros dun, kaya persistent din sya sa mga items dito
goodluck sa lahat ng makakadeal nya hehe!
:evil: :evil: :evil:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: yahoo! on December 12, 2007, 10:22:00 PM
gudluck tlaga!!! hahaha,. :-D :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: charles55 on December 12, 2007, 10:22:45 PM
I hope he doesn't just leaves his contact number on the seller's page for the rest of his PhilM forum days...
I hope he'll start posting 'em guitar and amp collection that's either for sale or for keeps.
msta na pre? tagal ko di nag check d2...hehehe..
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: biboyflavio on December 12, 2007, 10:37:44 PM
nakabili na kame ng amp sa kanya mga 3yrs. ago, peavey classic 30, 25k+ yata ewan ko kung overpriced ba yun o ganun talaga presyuhan nun, anyway siguro nga nasa 'businessman' state of mind sya... sayang lang yung ibang gitara na dinadala nya ng germany para ibenta, sana dito na lang sa pinas umiikot yung gamit, :-(
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: toybitz on December 12, 2007, 11:58:37 PM
saw him a few weeks ago at Hobbit House and almost didn't recognize him. dati kalbo or semi-cal. ngayon may buhok at dyed orange pa. or was it his orange shirt and shades that made his hair seem that way... hmmmm... Muntik di ko makilala but his pagkadaldal gave him away. :wink:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: borgy on December 13, 2007, 10:08:14 AM
ok thanks. I guess the guys who posted guitars in vintage/semi vintage receive PMs every now and then.... ganun kasi gawain nya sa buy and sell magazine.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: farleysbeat on December 13, 2007, 11:04:52 AM
sayang lang lumalabas yung ibang magagandang gitara rito sa Pinas papuntang Germany... :-(
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: 6stringsamurai on December 13, 2007, 09:38:17 PM
nakausap ko siya kanina kasi planong bumili ng mustang kaibigan ko. overpriced ba ang 29k parra sa mustang?
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: nealyu on December 13, 2007, 11:05:18 PM
mga bro, minsan overprice si tom minsan hinde pero if you really want the item and nakikita niya yun, hindi niya bababaan price kasi kahit anong ikot bibilihin mo parin e. FYI, never sell your gears to him kasi babaratan kayo at gagawin niya lahat para makuha yun as low as possible if he wants it. Then again, it's up to you if you'll let go of your item. wag lang kayo magoffer sa kanya kasi babaratan kayo. and don't bring your gear to his place :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: dan_sparta on December 14, 2007, 12:04:06 AM
ITO ANG SINABI NYA SA AKIN " THE PHILIPPINES IS THE LAST FRONTIER OF OLD VINTAGE GUITARS IN ASIA" TAMA BA FRONTIER KO? BILE SYA DITO BENTA NYA EUROPE, KASI MAS MAHAL BINIBILE SA EUROPE KESA US, PEDE TAYONG MAASAR KA C NILALABAS NYA GUITAR DITO. PERO IN REALITY TAYO DIN ANG NAGLALABAS NG VINTAGE GEARS NATIN KASI BINEBENTA NATIN SA KANYA, AT BAKA KARAMIHAN SA ATIN D PA PINAPANGANAK BUY AND SELL NA TO, AT ISA LANG MASASABI KO "KUNG HAWAK MO GITARA NG LOLO MO, IPAMANA MO NALANG SA MAGIGING APO MO" :-D :-D :-D :-D PROBLEM SOLVE :evil:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: nealyu on December 14, 2007, 12:51:49 AM
ITO ANG SINABI NYA SA AKIN " THE PHILIPPINES IS THE LAST FRONTIER OF OLD VINTAGE GUITARS IN ASIA" TAMA BA FRONTIER KO? BILE SYA DITO BENTA NYA EUROPE, KASI MAS MAHAL BINIBILE SA EUROPE KESA US, PEDE TAYONG MAASAR KA C NILALABAS NYA GUITAR DITO. PERO IN REALITY TAYO DIN ANG NAGLALABAS NG VINTAGE GEARS NATIN KASI BINEBENTA NATIN SA KANYA, AT BAKA KARAMIHAN SA ATIN D PA PINAPANGANAK BUY AND SELL NA TO, AT ISA LANG MASASABI KO "KUNG HAWAK MO GITARA NG LOLO MO, IPAMANA MO NALANG SA MAGIGING APO MO" :-D :-D :-D :-D PROBLEM SOLVE :evil:
AKIN NALANG. WAG NALANG SA APO NIYO :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: borgy on December 14, 2007, 02:46:33 AM
Para dun sa mga nagbabalak magbenta ng vintage gears, mas mainam na sa kapwa pinoy na lang. treasure na kasi yan eh.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: bluz_boi on December 14, 2007, 03:56:22 AM
tama lang presyuhan nya.. kino-convert/compare nya lang (euro/dollars) sa abroad ang bentahan.. :wink: tulad ngayon, may access na tyo sa presyo worldwide thru internet kaya tingnan nyo yun mga presyo ngayon dito sa philmusic :? im not saying na masama magtaas ng presyo ng item mo, right mo yun as a seller..there was a time na ang 2nd hand eh presyong 2nd hand..i mean pag binili mo sa tao lang minus 25-50-75% agad resale value nun.ngayon,20th hand na presyong bago pa din..again,walang masama dun..bka me rason ka nman dba? bka hard to find yan.. o marketing strategy, pkiramdam mo lng cgro mabebenta mo yan sa ganun presyo.. to each his own kumbaga :-D
so ganun din si Tom & besides, he's is a fellow forumite na..imo, pwede na din sya mag buy&sell d2 (sa presyong ayon sa kanya) as long as he follow forum rules. hindi lang nman sya naglalabas ng gitara d2 sa pinas, nagdadala din sya from europe pagbalik nya. one time me nabili ako sa kanya ng strat, dala nya from spain tinrade sa kanya ng nkadeal nya dun na bumili ng mga gitara nya..
so "taga" is a state of mind & a poor mans trouble hehe joke
sa mga nagmamadali, gus2 ng instant cash (parang kotse din)... sell your items to Tom, wag ka lng matakot mag ingles.. makipag transact ka ng dika "masyadong" mabarat.. konti lang :roll: :lol:
sa mga walang pera... wag kyo bumili kay Tom.. :wink:
sa mga may pera, & you're looking for a vintage guitar,amp,fx.. madami dun.. wala kyo mauupuan sa bahay nya sa dami..bibigyan ka lang ng monoblock chair :wink:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: dan_sparta on December 14, 2007, 06:40:34 AM
Quote from: wala kyo mauupuan sa bahay nya sa dami..bibigyan ka lang ng monoblock chair :wink: [/quote
at magkikita mo yung chick nya na naka mini at ala BRA naglalakad lakad! :-D :evil: :-D :evil:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: tolits on December 14, 2007, 06:49:48 AM
[quote author=wala kyo mauupuan sa bahay nya sa dami..bibigyan ka lang ng monoblock chair :wink: at magkikita mo yung chick nya na naka mini at ala BRA naglalakad lakad! :-D :evil: :-D :evil:
HEHEHE sumbong kita sa misis mo, kay emy ka pala nakatingin ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :evil:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: dan_sparta on December 14, 2007, 07:06:30 AM
HEHEHE sumbong kita sa misis mo, kay emy ka pala nakatingin ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :evil:
ayoko nga tignan eh! malilito kana sa dami ng gitara panlibang pa si emy ba yun? :evil: :evil: :evil: at oo ng pala wag sila pasindak sa dami ng gear tapos mababang gear lang dala nyo. paninidigan nyo lang kasi kung ok sa kanya kagad pay naman sya :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: rainierito on December 14, 2007, 07:15:23 AM
tama lang presyuhan nya.. kino-convert/compare nya lang (euro/dollars) sa abroad ang bentahan.. :wink: tulad ngayon, may access na tyo sa presyo worldwide thru internet kaya tingnan nyo yun mga presyo ngayon dito sa philmusic :? im not saying na masama magtaas ng presyo ng item mo, right mo yun as a seller..there was a time na ang 2nd hand eh presyong 2nd hand..i mean pag binili mo sa tao lang minus 25-50-75% agad resale value nun.ngayon,20th hand na presyong bago pa din..again,walang masama dun..bka me rason ka nman dba? bka hard to find yan.. o marketing strategy, pkiramdam mo lng cgro mabebenta mo yan sa ganun presyo.. to each his own kumbaga :-D
so ganun din si Tom & besides, he's is a fellow forumite na..imo, pwede na din sya mag buy&sell d2 (sa presyong ayon sa kanya) as long as he follow forum rules. hindi lang nman sya naglalabas ng gitara d2 sa pinas, nagdadala din sya from europe pagbalik nya. one time me nabili ako sa kanya ng strat, dala nya from spain tinrade sa kanya ng nkadeal nya dun na bumili ng mga gitara nya..
so "taga" is a state of mind & a poor mans trouble hehe joke
sa mga nagmamadali, gus2 ng instant cash (parang kotse din)... sell your items to Tom, wag ka lng matakot mag ingles.. makipag transact ka ng dika "masyadong" mabarat.. konti lang :roll: :lol:
sa mga walang pera... wag kyo bumili kay Tom.. :wink:
sa mga may pera, & you're looking for a vintage guitar,amp,fx.. madami dun.. wala kyo mauupuan sa bahay nya sa dami..bibigyan ka lang ng monoblock chair :wink:
medyo agree ako... he might be basing his products based sa presyuhan sa worldwide market, na medyo low ball for a hard earning musician.
'wag nalang bumili yung ayaw sa presyuhan nya. and those who selled or want to sell thier stuff to tom the descision is always yours.
if you want to sell it in the price that you want then you must stand on it, wag lalambot pag binarat ka nya... coz maybe that's what he's doing when he's the one selling gears to other people you can't break a real businessman that easily pagdating sa baratan.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: the quite one on December 14, 2007, 12:51:07 PM
hes nothing but a foreigner who preys of filipino stuffs. Maganda sa kanya pag bibili lang kayo. pero wag na wag kayo pumunta doon para magbenta dahil mahirap kausap, pag nagustuhan nya hindi pwedeng di tuloy transaction kasi nga You are wasting his time daw. wala nang mas barat pa don. kung ang Korg G1 ay bibilhin lang ng 1,700 ano pa ba ang tawag natin sa kanya... fender tube amp 5k ay sus ginoo! ok don kung bibili ka may sexy ka pang makikita :roll:
he really behaves like most germans do, he is fond of hurling insults! but in fairness he really got good guitars for sale and for display only... hindi lang bente ang nadala sa kanya mga pare kaya dapat mag- ingat tayo. pwede tayong bumili but not sell. if you want to sell not on his place kasi delikado pwede kang itawag nya sa guard sa ground floor at pagbebentangang may kinuhang atem dahil may mga jewelries don at cell phones, sa bagay wala pa rin namang nangyari atang ganito kaya lang maghihintay pa ba tayo?
to sum up. If you want to sell , ang transaction dapat nasa labas, never on his place. you can go to his place if you want to buy. Makikilala nyo say kasi ayaw nya transaction sa text, pinapatawag ka at di sya marunong mag space, laging may + mga text nya, sa buy and sell mgazine seguro mga sampo gamit nyang cell phone numbers.
if i were to describe him, he is an undesirable alien in our country. what are doing here Tom in our country by the way! Sorry guys, now I began to talk :wink: :-D :-) :-( :-o :? 8-) :x :-P :cry: :evil: :roll: :wink: :| :mrgreen:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: borgy on December 14, 2007, 01:11:15 PM
punong-puno ng hinanakit ah... kwento pa. :evil:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: bumbum on December 14, 2007, 02:06:50 PM
TOM the german. yari ka! :evil:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: skunkyfunk on December 14, 2007, 03:16:11 PM
TIP FOR NEWBIES:
Whenever you intend to go to Tom's place in Roxas Blvd, by all means, don't text or call when you're in HIS home. :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: slowhandpal on December 14, 2007, 03:36:33 PM
i just don't like this guy.. he acts as if he is in germany! Is he having an amnesia? Don't be so rude tom, you are here in the philippines... you should remember that always.....
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: lykenhowl on December 14, 2007, 03:45:36 PM
Pagtripan ko kaya ang mokong na yun... :evil: :evil: :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: bumbum on December 14, 2007, 03:53:44 PM
Pagtripan ko kaya ang mokong na yun... :evil: :evil: :-D
hehe.. game ako dyan.. :-D :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: lykenhowl on December 14, 2007, 04:03:39 PM
Hehe anu kaya pede pangpain sa mokong na yun.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: bumbum on December 14, 2007, 04:12:21 PM
ganito diskarte. kunwari bibili tayo ng hi end na gitara nya.tapos pagdating natin sa room nya,igapos agad natin tsaka bugbugin natin ng konti..tapos kuhanin natin lahat ng gitara nya!!! hahaha.. joke lang po.. that's bad!!!!!pero kung ako siguro makakadeal nyan hindi tatawad yan.. iipitin ko sya sa mga muscle at bilbil ko e...hehe... i love you papa tom!!tsup tsup!!! :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: P Nut on December 14, 2007, 05:24:34 PM
pagagalitan ka...pero nun si BB Deltaslim ang kinagalitan niya...sermon naman ang inabot ni Tommy tommy po tommy bananapana po Tommy.. fi fiay mahoney...Tommy! :lol:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: dark_minister on December 15, 2007, 06:31:24 AM
pagagalitan ka...pero nun si BB Deltaslim ang kinagalitan niya...sermon naman ang inabot ni Tommy tommy po tommy bananapana po Tommy.. fi fiay mahoney...Tommy! :lol:
hmmm... ba't kaya ayaw niyang tatawag ka or text pag nasa house ka niya? siguro takot siya na baka isa kang thief na may tinatawagan at sinasabi na maraming mahahakot sa kanya at umpisahan na ang operasyon... kung sa bagay, kung ganun nga ang dahilan niya eh wala nang kaduda-duda, sa dami ba naman ng gamit niya eh... sino bang mabait diyan na may naitatagong picture niya ng makita naman ng iba pang hindi nakakakita sa kanya.... (nagmukha namang wanted si tom dito sa thread na ito... hahahaha)...
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: borgy on December 15, 2007, 06:47:57 AM
baka naman takot na masetup sa huli... baka nanonood ng XXX or isumbong mo kay tulfo. hehehhe
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: bumbum on December 15, 2007, 09:15:38 AM
may mga documentary cd ako about nazi.. pag naiisip ko yung mga pinaggagawa nila during those time, ang lupet. and now here is this arrogant german sa mismong bansa natin na kala mo kung sino sya.. dapat sa mga bastos na dayuhan e ipatapon sa ibang planeta. :evil:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: lateralis on December 15, 2007, 11:47:08 AM
ITO ANG SINABI NYA SA AKIN " THE PHILIPPINES IS THE LAST FRONTIER OF OLD VINTAGE GUITARS IN ASIA" TAMA BA FRONTIER KO? BILE SYA DITO BENTA NYA EUROPE, KASI MAS MAHAL BINIBILE SA EUROPE KESA US, PEDE TAYONG MAASAR KA C NILALABAS NYA GUITAR DITO. PERO IN REALITY TAYO DIN ANG NAGLALABAS NG VINTAGE GEARS NATIN KASI BINEBENTA NATIN SA KANYA, AT BAKA KARAMIHAN SA ATIN D PA PINAPANGANAK BUY AND SELL NA TO, AT ISA LANG MASASABI KO "KUNG HAWAK MO GITARA NG LOLO MO, IPAMANA MO NALANG SA MAGIGING APO MO" :-D :-D :-D :-D PROBLEM SOLVE :evil:
That's the main reason why he's here in OUR SHORES!!
So, before you sell your guitar or whatever musical item, think first: "Who do i want to be the next owner of my beloved guitar... a fellow Pinoy or a German?"
Hope this would open lots of minds of Pinoys & would think about their FELLOW COUNTRYMEN FIRST!
LONG LIVE PINOYS!haha! :lol:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: deltaslim on December 15, 2007, 12:57:24 PM
pagagalitan ka...pero nun si BB Deltaslim ang kinagalitan niya...sermon naman ang inabot ni Tommy tommy po tommy bananapana po Tommy.. fi fiay mahoney...Tommy! :lol:
Haha... aalala mo pala yung kwento ko un, BB ha! Buoin ko na nga ung kwento...
It was my first time going to his place and dealing w/ him in person. I was there to sell a bunch of stuff, mostly pedals and pickups. When he asked about the price of one of the pickups, and I can't remember the price, I opened my Treo to check. Ganito dialog namin:
Tom: What are you doing? What are you doing? Don't text -- we are talking and doing business here.
Joric: What??! We ARE talking and doing business. But I need to check the price of the item and it's in my phone. I need to do this if you wanna continue talking and do business. (*After saying this, kumulo na rin dugo ko and I really showed it in my face, body language, and attitude.*)
Tom: I don't let anyone text in my house.
Joric: Well do you want to know the price or not? I can only tell you by accessing my phone. Otherwise, I can't sell you the thing.
At this point, Tom lets it pass and allows me to do my thing on my phone. I then give him the price and he starts haggling. After a few minutes I realize he's a seasoned haggler and it's likely I won't get my desired price.
Joric: So what's your final offer? (This was for a package deal on a couple of pedals)
Tom: *States his price... Which doesn't meet mine*
Joric: Ok, thanks anyway.
I then pack up my stuff to leave. While going out the door he makes one final offer on one pedal that really interests him. It met my last price for that pedal and so I sold it to him.
I've been back there one other time but it was much smoother and he was much more accommodating and friendly. Maybe also because we also bumped into each other at Arie's bday party where he was dancing like, well, a white guy! :-D.
I think ang key with Tom and others of his ilk is to remember this:
1. Walang manloloko kung di magpapalok (but this is easier said than done if you're not streetwise) 2. Maintain your self-respect as a person and as a Filipino. You know your rights, even if you are a house guest. 3. You don't HAVE TO buy/sell at a disadvantage. Don't sell or buy and then complain that you got duped. That's crying over milk you spilled yourself.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: deltaslim on December 15, 2007, 01:04:55 PM
ganito diskarte. kunwari bibili tayo ng hi end na gitara nya.tapos pagdating natin sa room nya,igapos agad natin tsaka bugbugin natin ng konti..tapos kuhanin natin lahat ng gitara nya!!! hahaha.. joke lang po.. that's bad!!!!!pero kung ako siguro makakadeal nyan hindi tatawad yan.. iipitin ko sya sa mga muscle at bilbil ko e...hehe... i love you papa tom!!tsup tsup!!! :-D :-D :-D
This is a good plan to get in jail. :-D
None of his guests leave the building without Tom himself giving a go-ahead to the security that his guest are free to leave. None of his visitors can come up to his unit without Tom giving a go-signal either.
Again, if you think this arrangements are oppressive or ridiculous, then take your business elsewhere. You always have that option.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: zasam_4 on December 15, 2007, 01:14:09 PM
di ako magaling mag-inggles at di din ako sanay makipag-usap sa foreigner but when i went to Tom's place di naman ako natakot, kasi bago ako pumuta dun kinakabahan ako dahil sa mga nababasa ko sa kanya. but actually he's a nice guy compared to some of our kababayans. :-P
nung andun ako sa kanila yung wife and kids ko ay nasa Robinson's Place at tinitext ko sila using my cellphone habang andun ako kila Tom. di naman nya ako sinisita at wala din sa itsura nya na galit sya.
at ang maganda pa kay Tom pede utang! pumayag sya na kulang ng 500 ung bayad ko kasi kulang yung dala kong pera. binayaran ko na lang sya nung bumalik ako sa kanila. hehehe
kung magpapasindak kayo yari kayo, pero kung palaban kayo panalo kayo. good luck in case some of you will deal with him.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: bugoy on December 15, 2007, 09:52:42 PM
3 times ko na siya naka usap sa phone ok naman siya kausap ang bait nga saka ma kwento kahit wala ako nabili sa mga offer niya mabait pa nga niya sinasabi sakin na since hindi ko bibilhin yung inooffer niya i alok ko na lang daw sa mag friends ko at maayos niya sinasabi sakin yun
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: maniacally_cool on December 15, 2007, 11:32:39 PM
he's not that bad naman. ok naman siya kausap and he keeps me updated too when i told him that i was looking for a flying V. he event informed me that he's back here in the phils a couple of months ago.
barat na kung barat but there are also some instances when you can get a good deal. asa tao rin kasi yun if susunod ka sa gusto niya.
siguro kaya ayaw niya na may nagtetext habang nakikipagdeal kasi masasayang oras niya. i remembered nung pumunta kami nung friend ko dun to sell/trade a bass guitar, e medyo napaaga ata kami ng punta, meron pa siyang kadeal nun. i think it was sir joric (deltaslim). kumbaga naka-set na ung oras ng appointments niya kaya ayaw rin siguro niya mag-overlap ung visitors niya.
sobrang dami nga ng gears dun. from high end to low end stuff, mint or not, meron siya. 1 guitar i always remember was a Gibson les paul studio, used condition and the only issue is putol lang ung pup switch and he's first offer was only 30K!
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: dan_sparta on December 16, 2007, 12:06:48 AM
puntahan nyo sya para kayo mismo makakilala sa kanya, kung ala ka balls makipagusap, paparamdam nya sayo na maging dominante sya para makuha nya gusto nyang price sa deal nyo, syempre nagosyante, pero kung padadama mo sa kanya na alam mo kung ano binebenta mo bibilhin naman nya ng maayos, mahirap kasi satin na hear say lagi bibigyan nang rumor na kesyo ganito ,ganyan, at yung mga naka deal nya na nagkamali sa deal isipin nyo din BAKIT? peace 8-) di ba lagi tayo nadadale sa HYPE!
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: toybitz on December 16, 2007, 02:18:42 AM
ako rin kinagalitan ko yan over the phone...
interesado siya sa pares ng SD Pearly Gates ko..nagtext..please call.
tawag naman ako...sabi sa akin..I'm busy, we'll have to talk some other time.
the next day, tawag uli..."so what's your last price?" I said, 5K...almost brand new condition. German: That's too expensive for a pair JAPANESE PUs.. PinoyBitoy: (thinking..nangogoyo na eto ah...) nope, SD's are US made. German: Ok, we'll talk again..I'm very busy.
the 3rd day, tawag ako uli...German: So what's your business? PinoyBitoy: Excuse me...but you keep texting to call you about my PUs and everytime I call you are busy. YOU ARE WASTING MY TIME. German: uh,...uh...sorry..blahblah... PinoyBitoy: KaBLAGS sa phone. 8 )
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: borgy on December 16, 2007, 03:11:58 AM
interesado siya sa pares ng SD Pearly Gates ko..nagtext..please call.
tawag naman ako...sabi sa akin..I'm busy, we'll have to talk some other time.
the next day, tawag uli..."so what's your last price?" I said, 5K...almost brand new condition. German: That's too expensive for a pair JAPANESE PUs.. PinoyBitoy: (thinking..nangogoyo na eto ah...) nope, SD's are US made. German: Ok, we'll talk again..I'm very busy.
the 3rd day, tawag ako uli...German: So what's your business? PinoyBitoy: Excuse me...but you keep texting to call you about my PUs and everytime I call you are busy. YOU ARE WASTING MY TIME. German: uh,...uh...sorry..blahblah... PinoyBitoy: KaBLAGS sa phone. 8 )
wohooo!!! Astig mang bitoy!!!! Ganyan dapat. Huwag pasindak pag nasa tama tayo. Kwento pa mga amigo. Binabasa nya ito. Let's send him a very simple message that Filipinos are smarter than him.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: slowhandpal on December 16, 2007, 01:05:19 PM
by the way this gross and ugly german offers you jobs too hehehe, he asks you be his sales agent, wala din namang masama don, but his arrogance is really veryu irritating. this is not heresay bro, kung tatlo lang nabibktima nito seguro tama ka pero madami, sa mga nakatsamba swerte nyo( o kaya naman nagagandahan ka sa chick heheh joke). but luck doesnt come so often.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: PRSMan on December 16, 2007, 01:10:45 PM
What exactly is the point of this thread?
Also, I have yet to read a post that shows that the Tom guy was indeed nanggogoyo. Kung barat sa pagbili lang ang ginagawa niya, eh hindi yan panggogoyo.
I find it funny that some of you take the high road and don the nationalistic cap. If you had contacts overseas willing to pay 2x (or more!) what folks in Manila are willing to pay for the same stuff, I bet that you'd be in the same business that Tom is in.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: bugoy on December 16, 2007, 02:03:24 PM
normal sales talk lang naman yata yung ginagawa niya, ewan ko lang pero 3 times ko pa lang siya nakakausap so really can't tell, mukhang normal sa mga sales man kahit sa palengke makikita mo style niya hindi panggogoyo yung ginagawa niya. hindi naman kasi charity yung ginagawa niya eh isa yun sa mga kabuhayan niya di nama nniya siguro dadalhin dito as pinas yung isang katutak na gitara niya kung balak niya lang i display o ipamigay o ibenta ng paluge para sabihin ng mga pinoy eh mabait siyang german
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: dan_sparta on December 16, 2007, 04:29:47 PM
Also, I have yet to read a post that shows that the Tom guy was indeed nanggogoyo. Kung barat sa pagbili lang ang ginagawa niya, eh hindi yan panggogoyo.
I find it funny that some of you take the high road and don the nationalistic cap. If you had contacts overseas willing to pay 2x (or more!) what folks in Manila are willing to pay for the same stuff, I bet that you'd be in the same business that Tom is in.
kung maganda deal o pangit, desisyon nyo yun, nasa inyo parin kung nagpasindak kayo, sabi nga ni morerro kung nakipag deal ka at nagtapos kayo ke panalo o talo ka ikaw ang medisisyon nun, d naman ibang tao kundi ikaw lang, kase kung d mo gusto yun d naman mangyayari yun d ba? at try nyo puntahan d naman kayo pipilitin sales talk lang nya talaga yun. :-D at tama sabi ni prs gagawin mo din yung benta sa ibang bansa kung me acces kayo d ba. :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: chromeknive on December 16, 2007, 11:18:53 PM
ang hindi ko gusto sa thread na 'to, may mga banat na "gross and ugly german", "nazi" at "hitler".
guys. hindi tama ito. konting perspective naman. guitar gear lang 'yan at business.
talaga ba namang ito ang ihaharap ninyo na ugali sa mundo?
barubal man siya o hindi sa pagconduct ng business nya, it doesnt warrant offensive comments like those.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: pallas on December 16, 2007, 11:29:17 PM
Also, I have yet to read a post that shows that the Tom guy was indeed nanggogoyo. Kung barat sa pagbili lang ang ginagawa niya, eh hindi yan panggogoyo.
I find it funny that some of you take the high road and don the nationalistic cap. If you had contacts overseas willing to pay 2x (or more!) what folks in Manila are willing to pay for the same stuff, I bet that you'd be in the same business that Tom is in.
this is why I started this thread... for fectures.. hehehe... but it turns out that naging off topic. :lol:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: julian on December 17, 2007, 10:21:14 AM
former luker here. i can't help but comment on this.
Also, I have yet to read a post that shows that the Tom guy was indeed nanggogoyo. Kung barat sa pagbili lang ang ginagawa niya, eh hindi yan panggogoyo.
same here. yun nga lang yung "paninigaw" niya is not necessarily pambabarat. pambabastos yun. i guess people who have been shouted at by this guy is entitled to say this or rant about it. yun nga lang may snide comments na rin kasi yung iba.
I find it funny that some of you take the high road and don the nationalistic cap. If you had contacts overseas willing to pay 2x (or more!) what folks in Manila are willing to pay for the same stuff, I bet that you'd be in the same business that Tom is in.
i'm glad to inform you sir that not all Filipinos are like you. only a few, but not all. just look at the classifieds of this forum. daming nagiimport dito ng mga gamit. di naman lahat taga o nambabarat. patas lang.
i'm glad to inform you sir that not all Filipinos are like you. only a few, but not all. just look at the classifieds of this forum.
Huh? Based on what people said, the guy buys stuff cheap in Manila and resells in Europe at market. Do you see the same thing being done in the classifieds? Do people selling stuff in the classifieds have access to foreign buyers? Do you want to make a bet as to how many people would jump at the opportunity to do the same thing he's doing?
just a question sir, what wrong with being nationalistic?
Nothing... EXCEPT when it's all fake. Read what people are saying, and behind all their words is nonsense. Some forum members are riding the "nationalistic" wave and yet have no substance in their arguments. Many are pissed that he lowballs you. Big deal... that's what buyers do. I have yet to read a well-grounded argument that proves that he is nanggogoyo, being mean, being unreasonable, etc.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: vhunter on December 17, 2007, 12:04:38 PM
former luker here. i can't help but comment on this.
i guess the point is to forewarn the people of what to expect when dealing with this guy.
same here. yun nga lang yung "paninigaw" niya is not necessarily pambabarat. pambabastos yun. i guess people who have been shouted at by this guy is entitled to say this or rant about it. yun nga lang may snide comments na rin kasi yung iba.
i'm glad to inform you sir that not all Filipinos are like you. only a few, but not all. just look at the classifieds of this forum. daming nagiimport dito ng mga gamit. di naman lahat taga o nambabarat. patas lang.
just a question sir, what wrong with being nationalistic?
I dont think being nationalistic means being stupid. If you think that selling for half the price locally is being nationalistic, think again its just bad business sense. Tom's got the thing right. If he can find a good deal locally (say a les paul for usd1.5k) he'd be stupid not to sell it in the US for 3k. He's in business, not charity work. Business is business... nothing personal. Don't confuse it for nationalism.
Why dont you start a business like tom's and give filipinos jobs instead of complaining about someone thats already doing it.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: deltaslim on December 17, 2007, 12:13:03 PM
agree w/ PRSMan and vhunter's points. i thought i had diffused it with my post pero some people didn't get it. but i know where some people are coming from and let me shed some light...
PRSMan - i guess di mo pa naka-deal itong si Tom di ba? pag kausap kasi itong mamang ito, medyo magaspang minsan makipagusap. kung di ka nya kilala, medyo tunog matapobre at mayabang. para bang ikaw ang sabik na sabik makipagdeal sa kanya, at di naman maganda gear na ibebenta mo, or baka di mo naman ma-afford yung gear nya. basahin mo yung post ko at ni bitoy, yun ang sentiment na common with some others e. baka ganun lang ugali ni Tom as a person pero maari ring mababa tingin nya sa Pinoys (di ko rin nagustuhan kung pano nya kausapin ung pinay na mrs nya e. magaspang... pero again, baka ganun lang siya talaga) in any case, unfortunately, some people are trying to paint it black and white -- Pinoy vs. German/Westerner. i think that's silly cuz (1) Tom prolly doesn't eve know he's doing it; (2) we've been f*cked up in worse ways by the West but no one knows or complains about those.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: PRSMan on December 17, 2007, 12:47:20 PM
agree w/ PRSMan and vhunter's points. i thought i had diffused it with my post pero some people didn't get it. but i know where some people are coming from and let me shed some light...
PRSMan - i guess di mo pa naka-deal itong si Tom di ba? pag kausap kasi itong mamang ito, medyo magaspang minsan makipagusap. kung di ka nya kilala, medyo tunog matapobre at mayabang. para bang ikaw ang sabik na sabik makipagdeal sa kanya, at di naman maganda gear na ibebenta mo, or baka di mo naman ma-afford yung gear nya. basahin mo yung post ko at ni bitoy, yun ang sentiment na common with some others e. baka ganun lang ugali ni Tom as a person pero maari ring mababa tingin nya sa Pinoys (di ko rin nagustuhan kung pano nya kausapin ung pinay na mrs nya e. magaspang... pero again, baka ganun lang siya talaga) in any case, unfortunately, some people are trying to paint it black and white -- Pinoy vs. German/Westerner. i think that's silly cuz (1) Tom prolly doesn't eve know he's doing it; (2) we've been f*cked up in worse ways by the West but no one knows or complains about those.
Nope, I haven't dealt with that guy Tom but if he has a stash of vintage goodies, I'd love to meet him when I'm in Manila next year! :-D
I read what people said about him... and for me, that's no different from dealing with some Pinoys as well right? And that's even worse kasi sariling dugo mo na nga, kakulay mo pa, eh trintrato ka pa ng ganyan. I've worked with people from different cultures -- and if you let their quirks get to you, eh ikaw lang ang talo in the end. You just have to learn how to fend for yourself.
I read your story about your interaction with him... and that's what everyone should have done. But the problem is this: ang iba, mahina ang loob so tuloy, they get the raw end of the deal, and now all they can do is rant and cry in a forum. Sad no?
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: toybitz on December 17, 2007, 12:55:12 PM
But the problem is this: ang iba, mahina ang loob so tuloy, they get the raw end of the deal, and now all they can do is rant and cry in a forum. Sad no?
sadly, yes.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: deltaslim on December 17, 2007, 01:32:12 PM
... and now all they can do is rant and cry in a forum. Sad no?
Ika nga ni toybitz, sadly yes.
Ang mas masama, yung iba nakikikuyog pero di naman personally naka-deal si Tom, hearsay lang, chismis... I've seen it happen on other threads where Tom becomes their favorite whipping boy topic.
Btw, the worst deal I was in was with a pinoy -- ang yaman pa man din. Tsk tsk.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: the quite one on December 17, 2007, 03:26:04 PM
I can't seem to comprehend your point sir PRS man et al with all due respect.. you havent met this guy naman pala and you act like he is your relative or boss... come on man..
Well, you should meet him ,so you have your own story to tell, AND MAY I ADVICE MAG PANGGAP KANG KARANIWANG KAPWA MO PINOY MUSIKERO, IF YOU'LL GO THERE AS MAYAMAN TALAGA THEN SURELY HE WILL ACCOMODATE YOU.
correction po!! he is not only buying our stuffs cheap and sell to Europe expensive, dito nya rin binebenta sa ating mga kababayan na kamahalmahal na binili nya lang naman ng mura!! btw big time business sa kanya, di tulad sa atin na karamihan e upgrade lang o small time buy and sell.. bakit may business permit ba sya?
puntahan mo sya pare na tulad sa amin karaniwang tao so youll know what these guys mean, okay? then and only then, you can say something about him
peace
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: chromeknive on December 17, 2007, 05:02:52 PM
I can't seem to comprehend your point sir PRS man et al with all due respect.. you havent met this guy naman pala and you act like he is your relative or boss... come on man..
what are you talking about? we dont defend or condone his actions at all. if you cant comprehend our point/points, then read harder. then read again. relative or boss? not at all. ang sinasabi lang namin, kung alam niyong masama yung ugali ng tao, don't compound the problem by being equally ignorant, bitter or flat-out racist. alam nyo pala kung anong tamang asal e, edi ipakita nyo that you're better than this character.
Well, you should meet him ,so you have your own story to tell, AND MAY I ADVICE MAG PANGGAP KANG KARANIWANG KAPWA MO PINOY MUSIKERO, IF YOU'LL GO THERE AS MAYAMAN TALAGA THEN SURELY HE WILL ACCOMODATE YOU.
Please don't play the class/caste/whatever card. Ang problema ng mga tao sa Pilipinas ay lahat ng di maganda na pangyayari sa buhay nila sinisisi nila sa ibang tao o sa kahirapan. Maging mayaman ka man o mahirap, kung mahina ka at magpapalugi, malulugi ka talaga.
correction po!! he is not only buying our stuffs cheap and sell to Europe expensive, dito nya rin binebenta sa ating mga kababayan na kamahalmahal na binili nya lang naman ng mura!! btw big time business sa kanya, di tulad sa atin na karamihan e upgrade lang o small time buy and sell.. bakit may business permit ba sya?
puntahan mo sya pare na tulad sa amin karaniwang tao so youll know what these guys mean, okay? then and only then, you can say something about him
peace
Ito tanong ko : Kung pinoy itong si Tom, anong racial slur ang magiging acceptable gamitin para sa kanya? Sagot: Kahit anong ignorant racial slur ay hindi acceptable gamitin. Period.
You said it yourself : Buy and Sell...Business...HIS Business. That's the way he runs his business and it works for him. Let me tell you, I probably would hate dealing with him. At...Hindi ako mayaman. Pare, your playing the class/caste card is invalid.
So ang sinasabi mo ba na pag mahirap ka, okay lang gumamit ng mga pulpol (sorry sa mga tatamaan pero papanindigan ko ito) na offensive comments like "nazi" at "hitler"?
Barubal siya kung sa barubal. Sige, warn people na barubal siya. Pero wag sanang pairalin ang ignorance, intolerance at racism sa forum na 'to. Guitar forum na nga lang lumalabas pa yung irresponsibility at ignorance ng tao.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: chromeknive on December 17, 2007, 05:09:46 PM
And also, peace. sa mga pinoy dito na minsa'y nadadala ng emotion or whatnot, Ipakita natin na mali ang negative stereotypes na binibigay sa atin.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: borgy on December 17, 2007, 05:21:21 PM
Simple words of advise when you want to deal with Mang Tom: SELLERS BEWARE!
If you want to get the true/fair value of your gear or your money, do some research first before going there. Be man enough in holding your ground and dont show any sign of fear when youre infront of him. I had my own experience when I dealt with him. I just dont want our own kind to fall into the same trap. Nationalistic? In a way yes because we are trying to protect our own kind in dealing with a different blood.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: grasyaps on December 17, 2007, 11:04:49 PM
I can't seem to comprehend your point sir PRS man et al with all due respect.. you havent met this guy naman pala and you act like he is your relative or boss... come on man..
Well, you should meet him ,so you have your own story to tell, AND MAY I ADVICE MAG PANGGAP KANG KARANIWANG KAPWA MO PINOY MUSIKERO, IF YOU'LL GO THERE AS MAYAMAN TALAGA THEN SURELY HE WILL ACCOMODATE YOU.
correction po!! he is not only buying our stuffs cheap and sell to Europe expensive, dito nya rin binebenta sa ating mga kababayan na kamahalmahal na binili nya lang naman ng mura!! btw big time business sa kanya, di tulad sa atin na karamihan e upgrade lang o small time buy and sell.. bakit may business permit ba sya?
puntahan mo sya pare na tulad sa amin karaniwang tao so youll know what these guys mean, okay? then and only then, you can say something about him
peace
1. big business lang ba ang dapat may permit? daming ngbubuy and sell, wlang permit and not because banyaga sha, he is rewlang kaso ung pagbili nya ng mga bagay-bagay.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: toybitz on December 18, 2007, 01:30:44 AM
sana maging fecture thread nalang eto as I intended it to be... hehehehe
daming magaganda at mapanglaway na pics ang bubusugin ng mata natin kun papatol si Tom Tom.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: lovecore on December 18, 2007, 05:12:38 AM
I understand the points regarding being careful when selling since as some mentioned, he tends to lowball. I'm curious to know more what if I'm the buyer? Ano experiences nyo? I called him once I think around january or feb this yr and may ere nga ang dating nya but I have yet to talk to him in person. Ayoko lang yung sindakin ka ng di naman kailangan.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: lovecore on December 18, 2007, 05:18:57 AM
None of his guests leave the building without Tom himself giving a go-ahead to the security that his guest are free to leave. None of his visitors can come up to his unit without Tom giving a go-signal either.
Again, if you think this arrangements are oppressive or ridiculous, then take your business elsewhere. You always have that option.
napipikon ba sya pag pumunta ka sa kanila tapos you end up not buying anything? I'd love to check him out when I do have the money to spare I just want to make sure I don't get pressured into buying anything for fear of not getting clearance to leave the building or whatever.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: markthevirtuoso on December 18, 2007, 05:41:48 AM
napipikon ba sya pag pumunta ka sa kanila tapos you end up not buying anything?
No he doesn't. And that's based on atleast 7 visits I've had with him without buying anything. But then I came to him with all due courtesy, first of all.
Good deed initiated, good deed rewarded.
I don't remember having troubles with him. I bought a couple of cheapo guitars from his collection too. :wink:
Your experience may vary, though.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: deltaslim on December 18, 2007, 07:11:27 AM
I can't seem to comprehend your point sir PRS man et al with all due respect.. you havent met this guy naman pala and you act like he is your relative or boss... come on man..
Well, you should meet him ,so you have your own story to tell, AND MAY I ADVICE MAG PANGGAP KANG KARANIWANG KAPWA MO PINOY MUSIKERO, IF YOU'LL GO THERE AS MAYAMAN TALAGA THEN SURELY HE WILL ACCOMODATE YOU.
correction po!! he is not only buying our stuffs cheap and sell to Europe expensive, dito nya rin binebenta sa ating mga kababayan na kamahalmahal na binili nya lang naman ng mura!! btw big time business sa kanya, di tulad sa atin na karamihan e upgrade lang o small time buy and sell.. bakit may business permit ba sya?
puntahan mo sya pare na tulad sa amin karaniwang tao so youll know what these guys mean, okay? then and only then, you can say something about him
peace
dude, relax. ang tinatanong ni PRSMan is first-person account ng panggogoyo ni Tom. ang daming nagcomment dito ng masama pero wala pang nagkwento ng actual na incident ng panggogoyo. share yours if you have one.
btw, rest assured he's been selling a lot of nice stuff for years sa Europe. it's simple market economics -- pag mas malaki kitahin nya sa labas, dun nya benta. pag di naman ganun kalaki and not worth bringing abroad, eh di local selling na lang.
if that scheme sounds anti-Filipino, well we can call many Filipinos and other nationalities unpatriotic, cuz it's happening everyday at huge volumes worldwide. sounds familiar? of course, it does... it's called:
eBay
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: the quite one on December 18, 2007, 11:46:19 AM
is there so much wrong when we tell fellow forumites not to sell gears on his place pare? is it also wrong when we advice them its okay to visit his place only when you buy stuffs? what cards I'm playing are you talking about? You should have made validation of sentiments by buying first the buy and sell magazine if indeed he controls most of it?. kaya nga nag exodus papunta rito sa forum karamihan e. Verify these sentiments pare by visiting him personally, dalhin mo maganda mong gamit at ibenta sa kanya, kayo pala ang nakiki tsismis lang e.
You call these guys trying to be nationalistic? stupid? racist? I'd rather be one tahn be an idiot!!! Hail the knight in his shining armor(nighties ata pala!) ready to defend the guy whom he allegedly not met yet. Galing na kami don, kayo naman okay?
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: vhunter on December 18, 2007, 12:10:22 PM
OK I HAVE TO SHOUT THIS OUT COZ ITS A PET PEEVE. THERE IS NO SUCH WORD AS GEARS FOR GUITAR GEAR.
whew. Just want to educate some ppl with good english. GEARS is a noun for a toothed wheel used for cars etc etc.
The plural for Gear is NOT GEARS. Its GEAR.
now that thats out of the way.
Quite one, You can have your opinion, no problem with that. Other people can have theirs. It doesnt matter if he sells it locally or to europe. He's trying to make money. I dont see any of you B!tching about microsoft and how they overcharge. They are one of the most profitable companies. Yeah ppl use Pirated... so go and buy an RJ les paul instead of a real deal.
No one is an idiot for paying what they feel an item is worth (even if its stupid expensive, umm you wanna own a ferarri right? so do I one day even if i know its not worth 14M). No one is an idiot for selling something cheap (baka they need the money... kaya nga may presyong addict). JUST STOP USING THE WORD GEARS. hahahaha :D
Btw PRSman cant allegedly not meet him when he already said he didnt meet him. Youre sort of speculating that he's hasn't met tom yet in your first argument you already defined that he didnt meet him. La lang .. just pointing out flaws in your logic.
I feel like an @$$ today.
PRS man is a really cool guy and one of the more educated and straight shooters in this forum. I really dont get off when you go Hail the knight blah blah when you cant even frame your arguments properly and talk in circles. Post your comment and ...
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: grasyaps on December 18, 2007, 12:14:32 PM
OK I HAVE TO SHOUT THIS OUT COZ ITS A PET PEEVE. THERE IS NO SUCH WORD AS GEARS FOR GUITAR GEAR.
whew. Just want to educate some ppl with good english. GEARS is a noun for a toothed wheel used for cars etc etc.
The plural for Gear is NOT GEARS. Its GEAR.
now that thats out of the way.
Quite one, You can have your opinion, no problem with that. Other people can have theirs. It doesnt matter if he sells it locally or to europe. He's trying to make money. I dont see any of you B!tching about microsoft and how they overcharge. They are one of the most profitable companies. Yeah ppl use Pirated... so go and buy an RJ les paul instead of a real deal.
No one is an idiot for paying what they feel an item is worth (even if its stupid expensive, umm you wanna own a ferarri right? so do I one day even if i know its not worth 14M). No one is an idiot for selling something cheap (baka they need the money... kaya nga may presyong addict). JUST STOP USING THE WORD GEARS. hahahaha :D
Btw PRSman cant allegedly not meet him when he already said he didnt meet him. Youre sort of speculating that he's hasn't met tom yet in your first argument you already defined that he didnt meet him. La lang .. just pointing out flaws in your logic.
I feel like an @$$ today.
PRS man is a really cool guy and one of the more educated and straight shooters in this forum. I really dont get off when you go Hail the knight blah blah when you cant even frame your arguments properly and talk in circles. Post your comment and STFU.
exactly want i wanna say! +1000
bUt MAY i add... its STUFF, NOT STUFFS :)
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: PRSMan on December 18, 2007, 12:20:14 PM
OK I HAVE TO SHOUT THIS OUT COZ ITS A PET PEEVE. THERE IS NO SUCH WORD AS GEARS FOR GUITAR GEAR.
whew. Just want to educate some ppl with good english. GEARS is a noun for a toothed wheel used for cars etc etc.
The plural for Gear is NOT GEARS. Its GEAR.
Walanghiya ka Miks... natawa ako sobra diyan sa post mo! And I'm on a conference call right now! Sabi ng kausap ko, "hey, what's so funny?" -- I had to say that my kid walked in and did something funny... :-D
Hmmm... knight in shining nighties... kinky huh? :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: faceless on December 18, 2007, 12:22:15 PM
sana maging fecture thread nalang eto as I intended it to be... hehehehe
daming magaganda at mapanglaway na pics ang bubusugin ng mata natin kun papatol si Tom Tom.
ahihi...naging love and hate thread tuloy...
this thread must earn the most viewed and most replied to thread of the year! hahabol to till the end of the year hehe! with the drama and action and all..kahit walang pictures...interesting pa rin hehe!
peace! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: panterica on December 18, 2007, 12:33:46 PM
sya ba yung taga roxas blvd? kung sya nga, nag-offer sya na bumili dati ng ibanez ko, i was selling it for 22k dahil loaded yung ibanez, he is offering 10-12k daw, ginawa ko, minura ko na lang hahahaha.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: rurounichild on December 18, 2007, 12:38:51 PM
sya ba yung taga roxas blvd? kung sya nga, nag-offer sya na bumili dati ng ibanez ko, i was selling it for 22k dahil loaded yung ibanez, he is offering 10-12k daw, ginawa ko, minura ko na lang hahahaha.
hahahaahhaa..sana nantindihan nya mura mo..hehehe :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: itchybrain on December 18, 2007, 12:40:32 PM
hahahaahhaa..sana nantindihan nya mura mo..hehehe :-D
i'm sure maiintindihan nya dahil minura ko sya in english lolz
i know he could understand tagalog, kasi unang reply ko sa kanya tagalog, tapos sabi nya "sorry, all i can offer is 10-12k to help you out", as if "help" pang maituturing yung pambabarat nya.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: el dorko on December 18, 2007, 01:22:40 PM
Isa pa: Equipment NOT Equipments. Like Gear, these are called MASS NOUNS. :-)
Sorry. OC and OT. :-D
and it's humbucker, not humbacker :lol: ok todo OT na to hehe sori :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: deltaslim on December 18, 2007, 01:46:03 PM
vhunter, prsman, itchybrain --
nag-crusade na rin ako dati against dyan sa "gears", "equipments", etc... it seems when you've taught one, there's about 9 others who need to be "edumacated." hehe...
in any case, i'm still all for it. let's keep the crusade going! but we should have a forum rule: Ang tamaan wag magagalit! If you are corrected by a fellow forumite, don't feel offended and start playing the rich vs. poor, bowteek vs. cheap school card.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: CARABAO on December 18, 2007, 03:26:23 PM
GANITO MAGSALITA SI TOM!
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: turiguiliano on December 18, 2007, 03:28:19 PM
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: idoytuba on December 18, 2007, 03:36:23 PM
I talked to him many times over the phone, and I visited him once sa condo niya.
Yeah, eye candy ang mga gamit. I was looking for a tube amplifier and he toured me around: vintage Fender Bassmans, Marshalls, Oahus, etc-etc.
Same thing with guitars, ang dami dun.
The problem is I only have this ____money to spend.
Hindi naman ako na-offend sa mga jokes o rules niya (tanggalin ang sapatos bago pumasok), I've met a lot of foreigners ganun lang talaga sila, they're vocal and firm up front. Tayo lang kasi mga balat sibuyas, naulanan lang ng ingles at binarat, masama na agad ang loob.
I even gave him my number and told him to text me pag may nakita siya na hinahanap ko. He text me up to now, ganun din siya mag-post. Same +++.
Yun lang.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: farleysbeat on December 18, 2007, 03:38:45 PM
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: turiguiliano on December 18, 2007, 03:44:39 PM
This guy is quite famous!
Heard his name back in '00. Sells this and that. First text i got from him was that he was interested at stuff i was selling. Forgot the actual item. The he sends a message saying..."We gonna deal or what?"
Naturally, I got pissed. Im selling, he's buying and he wants me to go all the way to Roxas for the meet. And im from Marikina. So i declined.
Yesterday, he took interest in the fender bassman Im selling and he specifically said, "who knows that better than I! Lets not text 300x or 25x! dont have time for that."
He kept insisting that i bring a half stack to his place. For him to look at. Go figure. The nerve of these kind of people.
Anybody want a hlaf stack for 20k? Come and get it. So I figured forget it. hehe.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: juan sinko on December 18, 2007, 03:50:00 PM
ano guys pa deport na ba natin may kamaganak ako sa immigrartion
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: toybitz on December 18, 2007, 06:22:00 PM
this thread must earn the most viewed and most replied to thread of the year! hahabol to till the end of the year hehe! with the drama and action and all..kahit walang pictures...interesting pa rin hehe!
peace! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
baka pwede akong premyuhan for starting this thread? hehehe
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: toybitz on December 18, 2007, 06:24:32 PM
ano guys pa deport na ba natin may kamaganak ako sa immigrartion
OT...
J5...ganun ba kadali yun? paano kun may valid docs naman siya? I'm not saying boto ako ideport..
I'm in the travel business and got curious to how confident your suggestion was. Is it really that easy?
TIA.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: boy_noel on December 18, 2007, 06:38:43 PM
naka-deal ko na to.. lakas mangbarat, well syempre he's into that buy n sell business.. oks lang sana makipag negotiate kaya lang gagawin nya un sa pamamagitan ng panglalait sa gamit mo, kahit di naman kalaitlait, kung di lang mabait ung kasama nya, tanggihan ko na, and i really need the money that time..
guys just be patient with tom, marami naman sya kwentong nakakatawa.. assert nyo lang ung benta nyo kung sa tingin nyo sobra na pagka lowballer nya..
goodluck guys!
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: BlackDiamond on December 18, 2007, 07:53:08 PM
I called him up years ago when I read about the Boss Digital Metalizer MZ-2 sa Guitar World. I asked him kung meron sya. Naintriga ako sa effects coz i'm an 80's metal fanatic. I wanted to have one so badly.
Sabi nya sa akin, Walang ganun daw. Hindi na ako nakipagtalo. End of conversation! heheheh :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: kawayan_strat on December 18, 2007, 08:06:44 PM
I called him up years ago when I read about the Boss Digital Metalizer MZ-2 sa Guitar World. I asked him kung meron sya. Naintriga ako sa effects coz i'm an 80's metal fanatic. I wanted to have one so badly.
Sabi nya sa akin, Walang ganun daw. Hindi na ako nakipagtalo. End of conversation! heheheh :-D
Wala daw ganun? Eh nasa listahan ng mga binibenta niya ngayon yun. :lol:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: dan_sparta on December 18, 2007, 08:08:52 PM
I called him up years ago when I read about the Boss Digital Metalizer MZ-2 sa Guitar World. I asked him kung meron sya. Naintriga ako sa effects coz i'm an 80's metal fanatic. I wanted to have one so badly.
Sabi nya sa akin, Walang ganun daw. Hindi na ako nakipagtalo. End of conversation! heheheh :-D
meron na sya ngayon men, mga tatlo. :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: juan sinko on December 18, 2007, 08:14:12 PM
dapat lowballer tom na name dito sa forum kasi mas malakas pa siyang mambarat sa atin foreigner yun ha! magpapatalo ba tayo sa isang banyaga?
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: bgarcia on December 18, 2007, 08:18:40 PM
Heard his name back in '00. Sells this and that. First text i got from him was that he was interested at stuff i was selling. Forgot the actual item. The he sends a message saying..."We gonna deal or what?"
Naturally, I got pissed. Im selling, he's buying and he wants me to go all the way to Roxas for the meet. And im from Marikina. So i declined.
Yesterday, he took interest in the fender bassman Im selling and he specifically said, "who knows that better than I! Lets not text 300x or 25x! dont have time for that."
He kept insisting that i bring a half stack to his place. For him to look at. Go figure. The nerve of these kind of people.
Anybody want a hlaf stack for 20k? Come and get it. So I figured forget it. hehe.
Never pa bang nangyari na si Tom naman ang pumunta sa bahay ng seller? Anyone here na dinalaw na ni Tom? Just curious. :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: turiguiliano on December 18, 2007, 08:39:02 PM
Never pa bang nangyari na si Tom naman ang pumunta sa bahay ng seller? Anyone here na dinalaw na ni Tom? Just curious. :-D
Oh, haha. He speicifically said..."we seldom go to sellers or buyers. Once a month or less, or unless it is a '63 strat or so"...ehehehe. mismo diba? once a month or less. oh yebah!
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: tackielarla on December 18, 2007, 09:11:22 PM
Isa pa: Equipment NOT Equipments. Like Gear, these are called MASS NOUNS. :-)
Sorry. OC and OT. :-D
OT: Isa pa --> Cargo, not cargoes. :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: deltaslim on December 18, 2007, 09:44:43 PM
I really find some of the comments here... uhm, curious.
I wonder kung yung mga feeling astig-nationalistic dito eh nakaharap na ng batallion ng mga riot police complete with crowd-dispersal gear sa Mendiola or US embassy... I'm not talking the "family having a picnic at EDSA People Power 3.1 or something"-nationalistic... Rather yung tipong binunutan ka ng baril ng militar sa picket line...
:? :roll:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: titser_marco on December 18, 2007, 10:13:57 PM
Thank God someone pointed this out! Tagal ko nang nagpipigil!
Hahahahaha! Pare, ako rin e.. ayoko lang magcomment :lol: :lol:
About that Tom person, it's his gig. Ganun talaga yung nature ng business ng buy and sell e. Ganun din naman sa real estate, may markup para may profit yung middle man. In the end, you can always choose to refuse his offers. Kung di maganda ang presyo, eh di wag nyo bilhin or ibenta yung gamit :)
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: farleysbeat on December 18, 2007, 11:31:29 PM
I really find some of the comments here... uhm, curious.
I wonder kung yung mga feeling astig-nationalistic dito eh nakaharap na ng batallion ng mga riot police complete with crowd-dispersal gear sa Mendiola or US embassy... I'm not talking the "family having a picnic at EDSA People Power 3.1 or something"-nationalistic... Rather yung tipong binunutan ka ng baril ng militar sa picket line...
:? :roll:
hindi naman sa "feeling astig-nationalistic" ako but...
i did. nung ako'y undergrad pa. muntik lang mapukpok ng arnis ng pulis. e ako pa naman hindi umaatras...paabante ako tumakbo e. haha! :-D pero yung binunutan ng baril di pa. binunutan ng ipin oo. hehe.
marami namang forms ang pagiging nationalistic. pwede kang maging OFW, atleta, MS/PhD student, etc.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: nealyu on December 19, 2007, 12:26:43 AM
:-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: Kulas on December 19, 2007, 01:08:13 AM
Thank God someone pointed this out! Tagal ko nang nagpipigil!
hahaha! oo nga eh, kulit. gusto ko humirit sa statement na 'to dati...
"hello everyone, check out my gears!"
sagot ko sana, "hmm, ano ka relo?" hehe.
anyway, OT ako, haha. nakausap ko si tom dati, over the phone. madaldal sha, as in, hehe. yun nga, if you're looking to buy, he might have some stuff for you, pero if you're looking to sell, wag na lang.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: fongvodka on December 19, 2007, 01:31:29 AM
buti hindi chinese si tom.hehehe.kala ko kami lang sagapal sa baratan.ouch.papadalaw ko yung chinese angas friend ko na sa malupit kay tom,based on what i read here.balita ko sa inyo kung anong nangyari. a dose of his own medicine ika nga.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: chromeknive on December 19, 2007, 03:43:29 AM
is there so much wrong when we tell fellow forumites not to sell gears on his place pare? is it also wrong when we advice them its okay to visit his place only when you buy stuffs? what cards I'm playing are you talking about? You should have made validation of sentiments by buying first the buy and sell magazine if indeed he controls most of it?. kaya nga nag exodus papunta rito sa forum karamihan e. Verify these sentiments pare by visiting him personally, dalhin mo maganda mong gamit at ibenta sa kanya, kayo pala ang nakiki tsismis lang e.
You call these guys trying to be nationalistic? stupid? racist? I'd rather be one tahn be an idiot!!! Hail the knight in his shining armor(nighties ata pala!) ready to defend the guy whom he allegedly not met yet. Galing na kami don, kayo naman okay?
you calling me an idiot? tatagalugin ko na ha? para ma-gets mo. ginagamit mong rason na mahirap ka at mayaman kami. hindi manlang ako mayaman e. yun ang "cards" mo. figure of speech yung "cards". gets?
bakit ba hindi mo maintindihan na hindi namin ipinapagkaila na masama ang ugali niya?
ang sinasabi namin, wala siyang "ginoyo" so therefore, wala kayong karapatan umiyak ng "goyo!" o tawagin siyang manggogoyo. kayo mismo nagbigay ng pera sa kanya at pumunta sa bahay niya.
ang tawag sa kanya..."bastos" or "magaling na negosyante" or "mautak".
hindi siya si hitler. therefore di mo siya pwedeng tawaging hitler. hindi siya pumatay ng maraming hudyo therefore di mo siya pwedeng tawaging "nazi".
hindi naman sa "feeling astig-nationalistic" ako but...
i did. nung ako'y undergrad pa. muntik lang mapukpok ng arnis ng pulis. e ako pa naman hindi umaatras...paabante ako tumakbo e. haha! :-D pero yung binunutan ng baril di pa. binunutan ng ipin oo. hehe.
marami namang forms ang pagiging nationalistic. pwede kang maging OFW, atleta, MS/PhD student, etc.
i know, bro, maraming way to be nationalistic. and good for you. pero judging sa post ng iba rito, feeling mababaw at misguided ata ang basehan ng pagiging nationalistic.
oh well, as if this will change anything... yung grammar na lang ang i-crusade natin. haha.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: PRSMan on December 19, 2007, 07:33:48 AM
ha ha... tama yan, grammar crusade na lang! mukhang hopeless namang ma-solve ang problema ng ibang nagpo-post dito eh.
has anyone bought 60s/70s-era guitars from tom? does he know (and share!) the complete history of the stuffs este stuff he sells?
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: deltaslim on December 19, 2007, 08:11:39 AM
ha ha... tama yan, grammar crusade na lang! mukhang hopeless namang ma-solve ang problema ng ibang nagpo-post dito eh.
has anyone bought 60s/70s-era guitars from tom? does he know (and share!) the complete history of the stuffs este stuff he sells?
PRSMan - Sila farseer, tolits, sopwith, and Arie, ang alam kong madalas na customer nyan. Lots of real 60s and 70s stuff.
BTW, I just got a PM from a very reliable source/friend with actual experience na nagoyo siya ni Tom. I asked him to share his chilling story, pero it's really up to him. It might help other forumites.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: itchybrain on December 19, 2007, 08:34:35 AM
I bought a Yamaha FG 300D acoustic for 11K 2years ago from Tom. He said it's a vintage acoustic. I wasn't as guitarded as before so how the f*ck would I know its worth. I bought it, THEN researched. :(
I learned that the RED LABEL FG series are the real Mcoy. What I got was a Makoy-- cream labelled. It's an original Yamaha and, in fairness to Tom, almost vintage. It's just short of about ten years! hahaha. :-D
Then I researched on the resale value of my geetar. Tama naman ang benta ni Tom the German. Mataas lang ng 1K from the original price nya ng 14K before the great tawad. :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: nealyu on December 19, 2007, 09:34:23 AM
sige share ko narin experience ko sa kanya. nung summer, i was planning to buy a telecaster pero di ko pa alam ang phil music noon. I asked TOM if he has some telecasters. sabi niya meron siyang american traditional which he sells for 35k. sabi niya that the american traditional is a higher version of the new high way one and is gradually increasing in price. e dahil di pa ako marunong sa guitar values etc nun ay binili ko. pero sabi niya if i dont want the guitar, i can trade it with another of his guitars. so i did my research and found out that the american traditional is an export model that is made in the US with made in china parts :-D nako!!! sabi niya sakin na all US yan!!! tapos pa nun tumawag ako sa yupangco ng day na yun and inask ko price nila sa am. trad dati. they said it was 35k and about 28k sale. naku!!! nangtaga!!! hahahaha. so the next day i called tom and told him that i didn't like the guitar i bought from him. Luckily, he allowed me to changed that guitar to an american standard strat :-D
yun experience ko sa kanya. he gives wrong information :-D :-D :-D
and hindi niya alam lahat ng details and history ng guitars niya because he just buys it. It's not really his guitar so what would he know about it? :-)
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: nealyu on December 19, 2007, 09:36:19 AM
hindi kita tatantanan! :lol:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: maxi_musikero on December 19, 2007, 09:55:45 AM
nakakaaliw magbasa sa thread na to..sari-saring mga stories! :-D
i was actually referred by Doc Farseer to Tom when i was looking for a guitar. however, i had second thoughts kasi nga he's a foreigner and i don't know how he deals. pero i was forewarned by Farseer and given some tips should i deal with this guy. it ended up na ndi na ako pmunta sa kanya! :-D
but i'm still planning to visit his condo just to look around. :-)
Tom is AUSTRIAN by the way...according to Farseer. :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: nealyu on December 19, 2007, 10:03:38 AM
ako rin. i'm planning to visit tom's place soon :-)
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: itchybrain on December 19, 2007, 10:04:28 AM
Tom is AUSTRIAN by the way...according to Farseer. :-D
Oh. I see. So that's why the hint of a Suwartzenegirrr in his voice. :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: farleysbeat on December 19, 2007, 10:05:04 AM
ako ang experience ko sa kanya ay ito:
yung binebenta kong gitara na 8k tinatawaran niya ng 1.5k (o 2k ba yun...). haha! tapos yung text pa niya parang apurado na ewan. although may "thanks" naman sa dulo. pero ok lang. magaling naman daw siyang business man e.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: maxi_musikero on December 19, 2007, 10:11:58 AM
ako rin. i'm planning to visit tom's place soon :-)
hindi kaya dapat marami tayong sabay-sabay pumunta para mejo ma-intimidate? hehehe! joke lang! :-D
does he sell guitar accessories as well? i'm not yet planning to buy another guitar since kakabili ko lang kay Doc. :-)
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: fred on December 19, 2007, 10:23:35 AM
I dealt with him before and it was pretty straight up. No problems encountered.
I run a multinational branch office and so I deal with people of different nationalities on a daily basis as I have learned to accept them for what and who they are. In turn, they also took the effort to learn about us.
It's a two way street-- as many things foreigners do naturally may be offensive to us and the reverse holds true as well. It's a world that grows smaller everyday and social harmony is a good thing. I respect the opinion of others as posted here and this is just mine.
Cheers to everyone!
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: kawayan_strat on December 19, 2007, 12:09:01 PM
nakakaaliw magbasa sa thread na to..sari-saring mga stories! :-D
i was actually referred by Doc Farseer to Tom when i was looking for a guitar. however, i had second thoughts kasi nga he's a foreigner and i don't know how he deals. pero i was forewarned by Farseer and given some tips should i deal with this guy. it ended up na ndi na ako pmunta sa kanya! :-D
but i'm still planning to visit his condo just to look around. :-) Tom is AUSTRIAN by the way...according to Farseer. :-D
AUSTRIAN ba? Potek in my experience,mga stir at (in fairness to others) manloloko yung mga yan. May tennant kami sa bldg namin sa probinsya na Austrian. Ang tindi mag kwento,maniniwala ka talaga sa umpisa. Habang tumagatagal siya sa bldg namin,lumalabas ugali niya. Late mag bayad ng upa,at minsan ayaw mag bayad. Kesyo maraming reklamo etc.
He did not pay the rent for 2 years,kaya we ended up going to court. He lost,pero di parin nag bayad sa atraso niya sa amin kahit may order na galing sa korte.
BTW,he also treats his pinay wife like s#it! :x
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: maxi_musikero on December 19, 2007, 12:30:21 PM
AUSTRIAN ba? Potek in my experience,mga stir at (in fairness to others) manloloko yung mga yan. May tennant kami sa bldg namin sa probinsya na Austrian. Ang tindi mag kwento,maniniwala ka talaga sa umpisa. Habang tumagatagal siya sa bldg namin,lumalabas ugali niya. Late mag bayad ng upa,at minsan ayaw mag bayad. Kesyo maraming reklamo etc.
He did not pay the rent for 2 years,kaya we ended up going to court. He lost,pero di parin nag bayad sa atraso niya sa amin kahit may order na galing sa korte.
BTW,he also treats his pinay wife like s#it! :x
very bad indeed.. :x
pero let's give Tom some consideration..maybe all Austrians are not like that. (cguro ganito pa ako magsalita kasi hindi ko pa sya nakaka-deal. hehehe! :-D)
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: nealyu on December 19, 2007, 12:34:43 PM
wife pala niya yun. nung una akong pumunta doon akala ko maid niya kasi ang lakas niya mangutos at parang ginagawa niyang katulong
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: kawayan_strat on December 19, 2007, 01:00:49 PM
pero let's give Tom some consideration..maybe all Austrians are not like that. (cguro ganito pa ako magsalita kasi hindi ko pa sya nakaka-deal. hehehe! :-D)
Kaya ng sabi ko "in fairness to others". Iba kasi yang mga educated sa hindi. They always see us filipinos as "inferior". Mukhang katulong din yung asawa ng tennant namin. :-D
Pero tama ka bro,let's give him some consideration. Ingat din at wag magpapasindak. :wink:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: nealyu on December 19, 2007, 01:06:34 PM
let's visit his place sometime soon :-D i've been itching to go to his place and check out his stuff
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: chromeknive on December 19, 2007, 01:19:54 PM
if i had compared tom to gengis khan would you still put words into my mouth the same way as you did now? OT:
kung talagang gusto nilang i-pluralize ang mga salitang gear, equipment, etc kahit na sufficient naman na ang mga ito, pwede nilang sabihin/isulat ng ganito:
pieces of equipment, pieces of guitar gear, etc.
yes sir, i actually do get your point and how the term was used. and also, i didnt mean to put words into your mouth. i guess in a nutshell, my point is lets just not use those terms nalang. im sure we could live without them in a guitar forum. also, medyo malayo yung ghengis khan scenario mo. this thread is about a "german", people are being "nationalistic" by defending their own and finally, the said terms were used (in another context). someone else used the word "nazi". so ang sinasabi ko ay wag nalang natin gamitin ang terms na yun in any context at all sana, lalo na sa thread na to na sensitive na as is. yun lang naman. i dont mean to offend anyone but rather to prevent anything really offensive. peace, sir! sorry if i appeared to be putting words into your mouth- that is really not the case. its more of the mere appearance of that term in a thread like this is questionable lang talaga.
as for the grammar, i think they should allow straight filipino here. STRAIGHT FILIPINO. not text style filipino and maybe a little taglish lang. sa totoo lang, i'd greatly respect someone who spoke straight filipino if he or she hasn't mastered the english language. kung 'di mo kaya i-artiiculate sarili mo sa inggles, edi mag filipino ka, wala namang mali dun. ang di ko matiis, yung mga weird hybrid ng gayspeak/text talk. tipong "aq"...parang...dude isang letter na lang e...hehe
that being said, sayang talaga. english proficiency has gone down the drain. that was one of the advantages of filipinos long ago.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: farleysbeat on December 19, 2007, 02:11:03 PM
yes sir, i actually do get your point and how the "term" was used. hm, i guess what i can tell you now is the mere combination of the said words, the character's said nationality and the "nationalistic" stance of people here can result in misunderstandings rin. siguro konting sensitivity nalang...ayun, thats what i have to say. kasi naman, thread about a "german", nagmumukhang witch-hunt dahil sa mga posts, tapos may terms nga na ganun na ginamit. it could easily be taken out of context and is really not anything close to your ghengis khan scenario. then gaya nyan, one forumite i just replied to, i think has a bit of misguided zelousness, papanindigan pa n'ya na mas ok nang maging "racist" at "stupid" kesa "idiot" in an effort to defend his position that no one here was challenging in the first place.
kung baga, wag nalang tayong gumamit ng mga ganoong salita lalo sa mga ganitong thread dahil 1.) guitar forum 'to so di naman talaga kailangan 2.) sensitive ang mga connotation ng mga terms na yan at maraming pwede mag-misunderstand ng mga sinasabi ng mga tao lalo pag di alam ang buong context.
so ayun lang naman. peace, sir!
ok sir. actually napaisip din ako sa mga post niyo. i'll be more sensitive next time. :-) forum nga pala ito. madali nga rin kasing ma-misquote o ma-misread ang post ko. this is a lesson learned for me. peace rin mga bros sa mga fellow forumites na maaaring na-offend ko. honestly, that was not supposed to be a racist remark. pero nasabi ko na yan. :-D
apir! :wink:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: chromeknive on December 19, 2007, 03:19:17 PM
ok sir. actually napaisip din ako sa mga post niyo. i'll be more sensitive next time. :-) forum nga pala ito. madali nga rin kasing ma-misquote o ma-misread ang post ko. this is a lesson learned for me. peace rin mga bros sa mga fellow forumites na maaaring na-offend ko. honestly, that was not supposed to be a racist remark. pero nasabi ko na yan. :-D
apir! :wink:
ako rin i actually edited my post rin. hehe. :-D alam ko rin naman na minsa'y tunog mali rin ako magpost kaya't nag-iingat rin ako kahit paano...to the best of my ability.
peace!! :mrgreen:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: oist on December 19, 2007, 09:08:59 PM
i can still remember his "asian" sg.
raon guitar with a 10 centavo coin on the headstock. :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: jackyboy on December 19, 2007, 09:27:53 PM
is tom a musician/guitarist? or is he buying and selling stuff just to earn money? hehe.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: Jaco D on December 20, 2007, 02:21:33 AM
Tom is AUSTRIAN by the way...according to Farseer. :-D
Hmm. Baka nag sa-"Sound of Music" sila ng asawa niya tuwing gabi. "Da heels ar alayb..."
Seriously speaking, he's just playing the part of the shrewd businessman to the hilt. His being Austrian or *put whatever nationality you like here* is irrelevant. If you don't like his bid or ask prices then walk away. And if he instructs the sekyu not to let you out of Fortress Von Trapp when you walk away, pull out your cellphone and threaten him with kidnapping (I think he could get deported that way). Let's see who's gonna blink first. As the others have said, "walang mang-gogoyo kung walang nagpapagoyo". Nothing personal, just taking care of business.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: markthevirtuoso on December 20, 2007, 02:53:25 AM
I think too much 'uncalled' generalization is occurring over here to the point that the significance of this very thread is becoming derogatory. Where is the sense of education (and maturity) here dear fellows? :-(
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: PRSMan on December 20, 2007, 05:31:45 AM
BTW, I just got a PM from a very reliable source/friend with actual experience na nagoyo siya ni Tom. I asked him to share his chilling story, pero it's really up to him. It might help other forumites.
We might have received the same PM. If so, I would not consider that panggogoyo though -- naku, heto na naman tayo sa semantics... :-D Anyway, ang gist (cleaned up to protect the forum member's identity) is that the forum member had something to sell, pumunta siya kay Tom, ang daming hinirit ni Tom about his (seller's) item (keso hindi na daw original, etc.), forum member believed Tom, forum member agreed to trade his item with a few not-so-cool items, forum member had seller's remorse soon after that and wanted his stuff back, ayaw na ni Tom, end of story.
Sayang nga na nabitawan ng forum member yung item niya, but in the end, kusa siyang pumayag sa deal. Nobody put a gun to his head and "made" him accept the deal. After walking away with your end of the deal pero wala namang usapan na puwedeng "return/exchange", you can't expect the other party to be willing to call the deal off just because you want to right?
Tom is a businessman... he is NOT there to be your friend. Guys, keep that in mind. Maybe he is a friend to others, but if you're not one of them, don't expect to be treated like one. As a buyer, siyempre he'll say whatever he needs to say to convince you to sell your stuffs este stuff to him. But he's acting in a way that's no different from how other people or institutions act.
Now... back to semantics... :-D For me:
- Ang panggogoyo as a buyer would be if he did things like say he'll pay you X amount in 1 week tapos di siya nagbayad. Or he agrees to an amount, and then backs out when you meet and are ready to trade goods. Or issues bouncing checks.
- Ang panggogoyo as a seller would be if he did things like say he's selling you a 1965 guitar tapos 1985 pala. Or say that the guitar has had no repairs eh yun pala nakailang balik na kina Arie, Jon, Jun, Max, at kung sino-sino pa. Or say na all-original parts tapos galing Raon na pala ang iba.
Thoughts?
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: borgy on December 20, 2007, 07:34:26 AM
Ang panggogoyo para sa akin ay pagiging tuso. Karaniwan, ang taong tuso ay gagawa't gagawa ng paraan para laitin, bolahin, gawing [chewbacca]-tangahan ang iba, at magsinungaling sapagkat alam nya na mas may experyensya siya sa kausap nya. Walang pinagkaiba ang taong tuso at manggogoyo sa pating kapag nakaamoy na ng dugo. Nauulol at naghuhumindik na sasakmalin ang hinang-hina't nagdurusa.
Ngayon, kasalanan pa rin ba ng "ginogoyo"kung di nya mailagan ang di mabilang na panlalait at naghuhumiyaw na "talino" ng tuso? Kung baga sa talinghaga, parang kinubabawan na ng maligno ang kaawa-awang nilalang.
Ang aking adhikain ay galing sa sariling eksperyensya noong ako'y ako ay nasa pagkakataong pinaglaruan ng maligno. Maaring "matalino" na ako ngayon subalit di pa rin perpekto.
Ang aking isinusulong ay tulungan nating ingatan ang mga nilalang na maaring maligaw sa kweba ng maligno. Datapwat sasambitin natin sa kanila na sila ang may kasalan kung anuman ang kalabasan, hindi bat mas bayani kung isalba sila bago magdalamhati sa pagsisisi?
Ang panggogoyo ay pagiging tuso sa kahinaan ng iba.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: nealyu on December 20, 2007, 08:15:47 AM
- Ang panggogoyo as a seller would be if he did things like say he's selling you a 1965 guitar tapos 1985 pala. Or say that the guitar has had no repairs eh yun pala nakailang balik na kina Arie, Jon, Jun, Max, at kung sino-sino pa. Or say na all-original parts tapos galing Raon na pala ang iba.
Thoughts?
ako ginanyan niya ako :-D pero nakabawi naman ako e
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: vhunter on December 20, 2007, 08:47:13 AM
We might have received the same PM. If so, I would not consider that panggogoyo though -- naku, heto na naman tayo sa semantics... :-D Anyway, ang gist (cleaned up to protect the forum member's identity) is that the forum member had something to sell, pumunta siya kay Tom, ang daming hinirit ni Tom about his (seller's) item (keso hindi na daw original, etc.), forum member believed Tom, forum member agreed to trade his item with a few not-so-cool items, forum member had seller's remorse soon after that and wanted his stuff back, ayaw na ni Tom, end of story.
Sayang nga na nabitawan ng forum member yung item niya, but in the end, kusa siyang pumayag sa deal. Nobody put a gun to his head and "made" him accept the deal. After walking away with your end of the deal pero wala namang usapan na puwedeng "return/exchange", you can't expect the other party to be willing to call the deal off just because you want to right?
Tom is a businessman... he is NOT there to be your friend. Guys, keep that in mind. Maybe he is a friend to others, but if you're not one of them, don't expect to be treated like one. As a buyer, siyempre he'll say whatever he needs to say to convince you to sell your stuffs este stuff to him. But he's acting in a way that's no different from how other people or institutions act.
Now... back to semantics... :-D For me:
- Ang panggogoyo as a buyer would be if he did things like say he'll pay you X amount in 1 week tapos di siya nagbayad. Or he agrees to an amount, and then backs out when you meet and are ready to trade goods. Or issues bouncing checks.
- Ang panggogoyo as a seller would be if he did things like say he's selling you a 1965 guitar tapos 1985 pala. Or say that the guitar has had no repairs eh yun pala nakailang balik na kina Arie, Jon, Jun, Max, at kung sino-sino pa. Or say na all-original parts tapos galing Raon na pala ang iba.
Thoughts?
Yes, we got the same PM and, yes, I got thoughts. :-D
Semantic schemantics nga bro... We will have to agree to disagree (which I know you are cool with, unlike other people who go ballistic when someone disagrees with them... ;-) ).
I think panggo-goyo rin if one party will pretend that an item is not orig just to lowball when he in actual fact knows that the item is orig. In legal terms, misrepresentation ito. In this particular case, to me dead giveaway yung gloating and sudden change of fact-finding/conclusion nung buyer only 30mins after the deal. If this happened, a few years ago, I'm sure he doesn't even use the internet for research to get info in a matter of minutes. In short, he was deceitful and offered false knowledge.
As a case of misrepresentation, the deal should have been void.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: changedmynametojimi on December 20, 2007, 09:38:30 AM
Yes, we got the same PM and, yes, I got thoughts. :-D
Semantic schemantics nga bro... We will have to agree to disagree (which I know you are cool with, unlike other people who go ballistic when someone disagrees with them... ;-) ).
I think panggo-goyo rin if one party will pretend that an item is not orig just to lowball when he in actual fact knows that the item is orig. In legal terms, misrepresentation ito. In this particular case, to me dead giveaway yung gloating and sudden change of fact-finding/conclusion nung buyer only 30mins after the deal. If this happened, a few years ago, I'm sure he doesn't even use the internet for research to get info in a matter of minutes. In short, he was deceitful and offered false knowledge.
As a case of misrepresentation, the deal should have been void.
what? misrepresentation is fraud
sino itech na forumite? sana ma PM din ako ehehhee na curious tuloy ako
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: PRSMan on December 20, 2007, 12:19:22 PM
Yes, we got the same PM and, yes, I got thoughts. :-D
Semantic schemantics nga bro... We will have to agree to disagree (which I know you are cool with, unlike other people who go ballistic when someone disagrees with them... ;-) ).
I think panggo-goyo rin if one party will pretend that an item is not orig just to lowball when he in actual fact knows that the item is orig. In legal terms, misrepresentation ito. In this particular case, to me dead giveaway yung gloating and sudden change of fact-finding/conclusion nung buyer only 30mins after the deal. If this happened, a few years ago, I'm sure he doesn't even use the internet for research to get info in a matter of minutes. In short, he was deceitful and offered false knowledge.
As a case of misrepresentation, the deal should have been void.
ANO?!? DISAGREE KA SA AKIN?!? ANO?!? HINDI PUWEDE YAN!!! MOMMYYYYYYYY!!! :-D
Ha ha! Anyway, I do feel bad for the forum member not really because of the deal but because he gave up what is supposed to be a cool item. My perspective -- and I do this even to myself -- is just that you control your own destiny and always have a choice. If you choose to give in to pressure, then that's your choice so walang sisihan.
I know that I'm no lawyer... but I'm not sure why this can be considered a case of misrepresentation. Seller approached the would-be buyer with an item. Would-be buyer says "Sprakenhaytz, doz parts are nat oreegeenal, hen itz only minty condizyon hen nat minty-minty condizyon, etc., zo I trade you my poodle and pussy kat instead". Seller, for whatever reason, believes the would-be buyer and agrees to the deal. It's his (seller's) item. If there's anyone who could be "misrepresenting" something in a deal, couldn't that only be the seller? I'm not saying that the seller misrepresented his product in this case. All I'm saying is that how can a buyer misrepresent an item that isn't his?
Oh well. Like I said, I'm not saying na santo itong si Tom. Based on multiple stories, Tom will pull out all stops to get what he wants so "seller beware" is the story here. It's okay to buy from him, but not to sell.
BTW, the situation here in the US is no different. May mga resellers/dealers na ganyan din. Case in point: I wanted to get a /13 but didn't want to have any cash outlay. So I asked several resellers/dealers if they were willing to do a trade or sale on one of my PRS guitars. Except for two offers, the range of offers was anywhere from 35%-50% of street price of the guitar -- or a discount of more than half! Two dealers however did give me a fair price for a trade -- 90%-95% of what I was looking for. So if you guys think that Tom is a nasty character... well, the world is full of them.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: KitC on December 20, 2007, 12:25:30 PM
"There's a sucker born every minute." - P. T. Barnum
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: PRSMan on December 20, 2007, 12:40:09 PM
By the way, ako ay isang nabiktima na rin ng panggogoyo (hindi kay Tom) kaya sa mga nagiisip diyan na "walanghiya namang itong si PRSMan eh ang daling bumitaw ng salita palibhasa hindi pa ito nangyari sa kanya" eh huwag naman kayo ganyan... cry cry... ako rin ay naging biktima na sarili kong kahinaan.
I believe this happened in 1986 or 1987. I saw an ad in Bulletin Today (buhay pa ba yang dyaryo na yan?) for a "1960 Fender Stratocaster". The seller was from Quezon City. I went to his house... his damn huge house... pinapasok ako ng driver (or maid?), I passed through the garage and saw something like 30++ European cars on the way into the house. I was led to a room with what had to be 100 or more guitars! Man, para akong nakapasok sa isang guitar magazine. The seller them came out -- a Pinoy -- and we talked. He was really nice, may pa-softdrinks at cookies pa. He pointed to the guitar in the ad -- a 1962 Fender Stratocaster. 1962!!! Pre-CBS!!! Anak ng pating. I forgot the price but I think it was something like PhP10K or PhP14K or somewhere in that range. I couldn't believe it. Sabi ko jackpot ito. In my hands was an all-original 1962 pre-CBS Fender Stratocaster... at naka Floyd Rose tremolo pa! Wow!!! I paid the guy, left, and felt so happy for a couple of months. And then I had a great idea -- I did some research! Doh! I did some research on vintage Fenders, and oh great, found out that Floyd Rose tremolos were uhm, er, uhm, invented in the late 70s!!!
Ha ha! I felt so stupid. The seller DID misrepresent his product and I hate the bastard for that. But in the end, it was my foolishness and anxiousness to get a Strat that clouded my judgment and stopped me from really thinking through the purchase.
Oh well... lessons learned!
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: lovecore on December 20, 2007, 01:10:35 PM
Ang panggogoyo para sa akin ay pagiging tuso. Karaniwan, ang taong tuso ay gagawa't gagawa ng paraan para laitin, bolahin, gawing [chewbacca]-tangahan ang iba, at magsinungaling sapagkat alam nya na mas may experyensya siya sa kausap nya. Walang pinagkaiba ang taong tuso at manggogoyo sa pating kapag nakaamoy na ng dugo. Nauulol at naghuhumindik na sasakmalin ang hinang-hina't nagdurusa.
Ngayon, kasalanan pa rin ba ng "ginogoyo"kung di nya mailagan ang di mabilang na panlalait at naghuhumiyaw na "talino" ng tuso? Kung baga sa talinghaga, parang kinubabawan na ng maligno ang kaawa-awang nilalang.
Ang aking adhikain ay galing sa sariling eksperyensya noong ako'y ako ay nasa pagkakataong pinaglaruan ng maligno. Maaring "matalino" na ako ngayon subalit di pa rin perpekto.
Ang aking isinusulong ay tulungan nating ingatan ang mga nilalang na maaring maligaw sa kweba ng maligno. Datapwat sasambitin natin sa kanila na sila ang may kasalan kung anuman ang kalabasan, hindi bat mas bayani kung isalba sila bago magdalamhati sa pagsisisi?
Ang panggogoyo ay pagiging tuso sa kahinaan ng iba.
dagdag isa... +1 hehehe
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: glassjaw_jc on December 20, 2007, 01:19:11 PM
By the way, ako ay isang nabiktima na rin ng panggogoyo (hindi kay Tom) kaya sa mga nagiisip diyan na "walanghiya namang itong si PRSMan eh ang daling bumitaw ng salita palibhasa hindi pa ito nangyari sa kanya" eh huwag naman kayo ganyan... cry cry... ako rin ay naging biktima na sarili kong kahinaan.
I believe this happened in 1986 or 1987. I saw an ad in Bulletin Today (buhay pa ba yang dyaryo na yan?) for a "1960 Fender Stratocaster". The seller was from Quezon City. I went to his house... his damn huge house... pinapasok ako ng driver (or maid?), I passed through the garage and saw something like 30++ European cars on the way into the house. I was led to a room with what had to be 100 or more guitars! Man, para akong nakapasok sa isang guitar magazine. The seller them came out -- a Pinoy -- and we talked. He was really nice, may pa-softdrinks at cookies pa. He pointed to the guitar in the ad -- a 1962 Fender Stratocaster. 1962!!! Pre-CBS!!! Anak ng pating. I forgot the price but I think it was something like PhP10K or PhP14K or somewhere in that range. I couldn't believe it. Sabi ko jackpot ito. In my hands was an all-original 1962 pre-CBS Fender Stratocaster... at naka Floyd Rose tremolo pa! Wow!!! I paid the guy, left, and felt so happy for a couple of months. And then I had a great idea -- I did some research! Doh! I did some research on vintage Fenders, and oh great, found out that Floyd Rose tremolos were uhm, er, uhm, invented in the late 70s!!!
Ha ha! I felt so stupid. The seller DID misrepresent his product and I hate the bastard for that. But in the end, it was my foolishness and anxiousness to get a Strat that clouded my judgment and stopped me from really thinking through the purchase.
Oh well... lessons learned!
Baka naman pre-CBS talaga na Fender Strat pero nilagyan ng FloydRose trem kaya binenta ng ganoon kamura?
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: bgarcia on December 20, 2007, 01:49:16 PM
ANO?!? DISAGREE KA SA AKIN?!? ANO?!? HINDI PUWEDE YAN!!! MOMMYYYYYYYY!!! :-D
HUH?!!! YOU ARE NOT EVEN AT MY LEVEL TO BEGIN TO DISAGREE WITH ME! WALA KA SA LUGAR PARA MAGJUDGE KUNG TAMA AKO O HINDI KASI HINDI MO PA NASUBUKAN MAKIPAGDEAL KAY TOM! WALA KA SA LOLO KO -- KUMPLETO ANG GI JOE NYA! AKO ISA NA LANG KULANG KO, PAG BINILI NI MOMMY, MY COLLECTION... AND I... WILL BE COMPLETE. :-D
Bro, "misrepresentation" goes both ways, usually by the seller, pero pwede rin sa buyer.
Heto generic definitions: Wikipedia: a misrepresentation is a false statement of fact made by one party to another party and has the effect of inducing that party into the contract Electric Law Library Lexicon: MISREPRESENTATION - The statement made by a party to a contract, that a thing relating to it is in fact in a particular way, when he knows it is not so.
In any case, iisa lang ang importanteng punto dito, at sinabi ko na nung unang post ko pa lang. "Caveat emptor!"
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: glassjaw_jc on December 20, 2007, 01:58:00 PM
Yep, 10k is a lot of money in the 80's. Pero you still don't get to buy vintage gear that cheap even during that time. Nag-pi-pickup na yung value ng vintage gear nung 80's. You can check out how PRSMan reacted when he bought it.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: PRSMan on December 20, 2007, 02:18:21 PM
Baka naman pre-CBS talaga na Fender Strat pero nilagyan ng FloydRose trem kaya binenta ng ganoon kamura?
Possible, but I didn't care anymore since nabastos na siya ng Floyd. Ha ha! Babaw ano? But I still liked that guitar and played the heck out of it. My guess is it was probably some Japanese knock-off. Still a good guitar, but not what I thought it was -- a pure, vintage, all-orig Strat.
I don't know what ever happened to that guitar. When I left Manila in 1997, I remember na pinamana ko siya sa driver ko. When I went back home in 2004, sabi niya ang kinuha daw niya is yung acoustic ko. I checked with my cousin, and sabi naman niya na yung "Mang Rudy" guitar ko ang nabigay ko sa kanya. So I have no idea where the heck it is right now. Baka nasa bahay pa at inaamag na.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: vhunter on December 20, 2007, 04:58:44 PM
OMG eric how old are you.. hahaha.. i was collecting mask and ghostbuster toys in the 80's. Lol I picked up the guitar in 92. :D and didnt know what a pre cbs fender was till 2002. HAHAHAHA.. so that must make you
OLDS
HEHEHHE jk
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: bgarcia on December 20, 2007, 06:03:08 PM
Yep, 10k is a lot of money in the 80's. Pero you still don't get to buy vintage gear that cheap even during that time. Nag-pi-pickup na yung value ng vintage gear nung 80's.
Probably not buy "that cheap" in the US, but in the Phils you probably would in the '80s. Not sure about this though. Di pa ako nag-gigitara non. :-)
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: PRSMan on December 20, 2007, 11:52:23 PM
OMG eric how old are you.. hahaha.. i was collecting mask and ghostbuster toys in the 80's. Lol I picked up the guitar in 92. :D and didnt know what a pre cbs fender was till 2002. HAHAHAHA.. so that must make you
OLDS
HEHEHHE jk
Ha ha! You know what they say about us olds people... we have staminas! :-D
Nasa 30s pa naman ako... :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: bertz3 on December 21, 2007, 01:22:43 PM
i was selling my fender strat u.s for quick cash at 10k 5-6 yrs ago to tom to finance my bday n eto ung sabi nya sakin"man ur guitar came thru hell and back!might as well lower your price then we'll hav a deal!"...madali naman akong kausap nabitawan ko ng 6k ung strat with free orange juice dun sa sexy pinay gf nya hehehe then a month after that i bought from him an ibanez rg series with edge pro for 10k( di kc mahilig sa me floatng trem c tom eh) wich later on i had sold last year for 30k (not in philmusic) hehehe :-D
infact inalok sakin ung guitar na yon uli ng fellow forumite for higher price(ung ibanez po...ala ko balita sa strat) syempre nag pass ako as in CHALE CABRON!ur guitar came thru hell n back! hehehe :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: toybitz on December 22, 2007, 04:59:16 AM
bbq+lemonade = 2008! pot + pans = bacon! spock + alien = star wars! i c ded pipol ol d time } merry new day and happy bird day! if you smeeeeeeellll huwat the rock is cookin'!
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: tejadster on December 22, 2007, 11:38:01 AM
kulang kulang ba yung keyboard ni tom di ko maintindihan yun mga tinatype nya eh..
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: nealyu on December 22, 2007, 12:01:51 PM
bbq+lemonade = 2008! pot + pans = bacon! spock + alien = star wars! i c ded pipol ol d time } merry new day and happy bird day! if you smeeeeeeellll huwat the rock is cookin'!
:-D wbahahha bumalibag ako dito
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: nealyu on December 22, 2007, 05:43:22 PM
I've got a problem with tom here in phil music. First is that when he posts guitars/ amps for sale he seldom indicate prices. Second is that..... nakakabobo siya magtype!!!! nawawala tuloy interest ko sa gear niya. huhuhu he should obey the rules in this forum.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: trewzd on December 22, 2007, 09:45:34 PM
wala pa ba sa inyo nag sasabi sa kanay na bano sya mag english at mag type para matauhan naman at magbago :-)
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: nealyu on December 22, 2007, 09:46:30 PM
wala pa ata :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: trewzd on December 22, 2007, 09:55:35 PM
kaya pala :lol:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: lovecore on December 22, 2007, 11:49:40 PM
I've got a problem with tom here in phil music. First is that when he posts guitars/ amps for sale he seldom indicate prices. Second is that..... nakakabobo siya magtype!!!! nawawala tuloy interest ko sa gear niya. huhuhu he should obey the rules in this forum.
funny thing is to some extent, hindi sya nababanatan ng todo about what he's doin dahil sa ganda ng mga binebenta nya. i forgot who said it pero kung nakakapagsalita nga sya ng straight english, anong problema nya from typin it diba? nakakapagtaka
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: toybitz on December 23, 2007, 03:55:51 AM
funny thing is to some extent, hindi sya nababanatan ng todo about what he's doin dahil sa ganda ng mga binebenta nya. i forgot who said it pero kung nakakapagsalita nga sya ng straight english, anong problema nya from typin it diba? nakakapagtaka
hindi naman sa nagmamalaki....pero ako yun nagsabi.
bow..ayan, malaki na ulo ko.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: toybitz on December 23, 2007, 03:59:54 AM
pati cd pala ineexport na niya? hehehe...nagpapatawa lang.
funny thing is to some extent, hindi sya nababanatan ng todo about what he's doin dahil sa ganda ng mga binebenta nya. i forgot who said it pero kung nakakapagsalita nga sya ng straight english, anong problema nya from typin it diba? nakakapagtaka
baka ganun mag text ang mga german :lol:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: nealyu on December 23, 2007, 09:09:02 AM
di pa rin siya exempted from the rules :lol:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: trewzd on December 23, 2007, 09:10:08 AM
Ang panggogoyo ay pagiging tuso sa kahinaan ng iba.
Is this necessarily wrong?
Panggogoyo, for me, is lying. Period. If you sell your guitar to Tom at a sub-optimal price because you get easily intimidated by some Caucasian, that's your problem. If Tom tells you that your guitar is a POS and that it deserves a low price, it's all up to you to either give in or walk out on him.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: titser_marco on December 23, 2007, 02:44:57 PM
as for the grammar, i think they should allow straight filipino here. STRAIGHT FILIPINO. not text style filipino and maybe a little taglish lang. sa totoo lang, i'd greatly respect someone who spoke straight filipino if he or she hasn't mastered the english language. kung 'di mo kaya i-artiiculate sarili mo sa inggles, edi mag filipino ka, wala namang mali dun. ang di ko matiis, yung mga weird hybrid ng gayspeak/text talk. tipong "aq"...parang...dude isang letter na lang e...hehe
I don't think it's prohibited anyway.
What bothers me, though, is that Tom doesn't seem to get reprimanded for his oft-incomprehensible posts. All these +'s and problematic usage of punctuation are starting to become totally irritating. The fact that he's allowed to do that - while others get a warning immediately after an initial post - is beyond appalling.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: kawayan_strat on December 23, 2007, 03:14:37 PM
Panggogoyo, for me, is lying. Period. If you sell your guitar to Tom at a sub-optimal price because you get easily intimidated by some Caucasian, that's your problem. If Tom tells you that your guitar is a POS and that it deserves a low price, it's all up to you to either give in or walk out on him.
Me too. Lalo na kung ginagamit mo lang pang marketing strategy to lure noobs into getting your product/item. :x
What bothers me, though, is that Tom doesn't seem to get reprimanded for his oft-incomprehensible posts. All these +'s and problematic usage of punctuation are starting to become totally irritating. The fact that he's allowed to do that - while others get a warning immediately after an initial post - is beyond appalling.
IMHO,may mga iba na ayaw siya sawayin kasi baka may magustuhan din sila sa mga binibenta ni Tom at hindi na makapag-transact sa kanya kasi tinira,kinutya o sinaway yung pagpo-post niya.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: nealyu on December 23, 2007, 05:18:11 PM
pero he should still obey the rules here. Di dahil siya si Tom the German e exempted na siya sa rules dito.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: KitC on December 23, 2007, 09:03:25 PM
Basahin mo sa announcements bro,nandun yun. O kaya PM mo yung may ari ng PhilMusic,si sir JimAyson or yung mga mods nalang dito.
Ah wala pa kasi sa rules ng bass classifieds as of december 23, chineck ko muna bago ako mag comment http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,28835.0.html (http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,28835.0.html), sa halos (o lahat ng classifieds) lang naman, pero sa ibang thread naman na napupuntahan ko updated yung rules (like dito sa GC :-D), specified yung no text speak, and yes nabanggit nga rin sa announcements yun. pero sana ma-update na yung rules sa classifieds at iba pang thread na di pa updated para walang palusot yung makukulet :-D, mas maganda and madali makita po kasi kung nasa loob ng specific topic rules kesa yung generalized.
hayan, OT tuloy ako... :-( sorry po sa OT..
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: kawayan_strat on December 24, 2007, 01:04:04 AM
Ah wala pa kasi sa rules ng bass classifieds as of december 23, chineck ko muna bago ako mag comment http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,28835.0.html (http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,28835.0.html), sa halos (o lahat ng classifieds) lang naman, pero sa ibang thread naman na napupuntahan ko updated yung rules (like dito sa GC :-D), specified yung no text speak, and yes nabanggit nga rin sa announcements yun. pero sana ma-update na yung rules sa classifieds at iba pang thread na di pa updated para walang palusot yung makukulet :-D, mas maganda and madali makita po kasi kung nasa loob ng specific topic rules kesa yung generalized.
hayan, OT tuloy ako... :-( sorry po sa OT..
Maganda din sana binasa mo din yung announcements. :-)
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: fongvodka on December 24, 2007, 01:43:15 AM
mga sir, di sana ako eepal dahil baguhan lang ako dito.but i dont see any replies from tom here defending himself.maybe he's too busy or he dont give a f@ck or he cant understand a thing or he thinks WE are pipitsugin and not worth his time. baka humahalakhak and sipping whisky pa si tom ngayon feeling sikat dahil 14 pages na ang thread na to. my own 2 cents.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: pizarro84 on December 24, 2007, 02:08:49 AM
Maganda din sana binasa mo din yung announcements. :-)
ah, sinabi ko po wala sa rules ng classifieds kasi dinagdag sa rules ng GC yan some time ago so dun ko lang nakita, maganda kasi sana kung sa lahat ng rules nakalagay para uniform, so maganda rin po sana i-update yung ibang rules, kasi po kung sa announcements lang siya nakalagay at doon lang siya makikita, sana naka-link na lang po yung topic rules sa isang thread sa announcements stating general forum rules. Sencia na po forum fanatic pa lang :oops: tambay lang sa GC at classifieds..
sorry po ulit sa OT..
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: nealyu on December 24, 2007, 02:13:09 AM
I think that's not the case. I think Tom is very business minded and wouldn't bother reading in the guitar central section of the forum. He'd just invade the classified section. :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: toybitz on December 24, 2007, 02:16:05 AM
mga sir, di sana ako eepal dahil baguhan lang ako dito.but i dont see any replies from tom here defending himself.maybe he's too busy or he dont give a f@ck or he cant understand a thing or he thinks WE are pipitsugin and not worth his time. baka humahalakhak and sipping whisky pa si tom ngayon feeling sikat dahil 14 pages na ang thread na to. my own 2 cents.
good point. I don't care too, but then again, we can learn from each other's experience.
this was, as I intended to be...a "gallery" of his gear. kaya lang OT na eh... pero sige lang.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: toybitz on December 24, 2007, 02:17:21 AM
I think that's not the case. I think Tom is very business minded and wouldn't bother reading in the guitar central section of the forum. He'd just invade the classified section. :-D
+1
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: pizarro84 on December 24, 2007, 03:06:37 AM
I think that's not the case. I think Tom is very business minded and wouldn't bother reading in the guitar central section of the forum. He'd just invade the classified section. :-D
Yup so that is why maganda kung updated lahat ng rules ng bawat topic classifications, kasi hindi naman po lahat ng topics nabibsita ng madami. Sigurado mamimilosopo pa yung aleman pag pinagsabihan mo ng offense na wala sa topic rules..
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: nealyu on December 24, 2007, 08:38:25 AM
tingin ko di rin naman niya binasa yung rules nung nagsimula siya e wahahahaha
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: kawayan_strat on December 24, 2007, 02:09:38 PM
Tingin ko,wala siyang kaalam-alam na pinapag usapan siya dito sa GC. :lol:
Oo nga no? mejo mahaba n itong thread pero wala pa rin siyang comment :-D teka ito bang si tom e matanda na? yun kasing tropa kong bahista ibinenta dati yung larivee na bass niya e mukhang itong si tom yung prospective buyer. Binabarat siya kaya di nya binenta :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: lovecore on December 27, 2007, 01:43:56 PM
What bothers me, though, is that Tom doesn't seem to get reprimanded for his oft-incomprehensible posts. All these +'s and problematic usage of punctuation are starting to become totally irritating. The fact that he's allowed to do that - while others get a warning immediately after an initial post - is beyond appalling.
Exactly!
si sir kit na bahala dyan.
And it's totally unfair to give him some slack just because some are scared to lose some good deals with him if ever they decide to do business with the guy. It's just really unfair. I've also noticed what titser marco pointed out weeks back and I'm glad this was pointed out. He's no exemption. Kawawa naman yung ibang contributing members sa forum who get tons of corrections pag sumablay sa isang txt speak post tapos sya pinababayaan lang na baliwin tayong lahat sa walang kakwenta kwentang pagtype sa forum.
It's not cuz he's German cuz I have German clients who can send emails with straight english and those guys live in Germany talaga so I don't see why he can't type properly... and he lives here.
And about the +'s, malabo lang talaga eh. kahit naman sa tagalog, english, kahit pa mapafrench or whatever, wala namang mga + used as punctuations eh. so it's not about him being this or that.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: juwanfidle09 on January 06, 2008, 10:18:19 AM
ako ba yun o papalit-palit ng cellphone number si tom o talagang marami lang number yun... hehehe... :-D wala lang... :-D share ko lang... :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: faceless on January 08, 2008, 04:29:34 PM
ako ba yun o papalit-palit ng cellphone number si tom o talagang marami lang number yun... hehehe... :-D wala lang... :-D share ko lang... :-D
nice observation bro hehe
AFAIK, when i visited and dealt with him years back, aside from gtrs, he also buys and sells other stuff like cellphones and cameras. maybe he uses lotsa cellphones the way he uses lotsa gtrs hehe!!!funny thing is, with all those cameras and cellphones with cams, he doesn't bother posting pics of his items for sale..how ironic hehe.!
:evil: :evil: :evil:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: incubus32 on January 13, 2008, 03:24:51 PM
tamad n seller yan c freedomtom.. s txt palang kaibgan ni mang mags eh.. c gancho.. haha kya wag kayo mgpapagancho..
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: posera!! on January 14, 2008, 10:59:12 AM
tinawagan ko na date yan nung nakita ko adds nya sa buy and sell woohh nose bleed ako hehe share lang dame nyang gamet lahat ata ng tinanong ko meron hehe :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: juan sinko on January 15, 2008, 12:15:12 AM
nakatext ko yan tamad maki pagtransaction sa text, gusto nya tawag sa landline
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: PRSMan on January 15, 2008, 01:06:51 AM
Do you guys really think the doing business through text is better? If you think picking up the phone is asking too much, then you're not the "right" buyer the seller is looking for.
I actually PM'd Tom re: a strat. Bilis sumagot, and he shared good info. So far, based on the online exchange, he seems like a straight shooter.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: juan sinko on January 15, 2008, 01:15:05 AM
thanks for the idea dude
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: juan sinko on January 15, 2008, 01:19:31 AM
thanks for the idea prsman
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: slowspeeder on January 15, 2008, 07:59:36 AM
just want to ask those who know, does he overprice the items he's selling, i mean unjustifiably overpriced? :-o lets say an authentic PRS usa or a Gibson usa...
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 15, 2008, 08:29:37 AM
para sakin, nakakainis lang yung idea na hindi equal yung nangyayari..
may rules na dapat sundin. may standards na dapat gawin. asking price ng item, pics, at condition ng ibinebenta mo.
naiinis lang ako,ano bang deal jan sa freedomtom na yan? lahat tayo dito mamamayan ng philmusic.pantay pantay.pag may mali,papansinin at kung sa ayaw mo man at hindi mapupuna ka..
at bakit ang daming kiss a$$?( alam nyo na siguro yung ibig kong sabihin.)
ndi naman sa nang mamata ako ng ibang lahi,pero mga pre naman..this is a filipino community...
at katulad ng mga sinasabi ng iba na hindi pabor kay tom. ndi lahat ng pinoy eh pipitsugin,not worth his time and a$$kisser katulad ng iba jan...
mga bro,patnay pantay lang...PHILmusic to mga pre.
hindi ko ito magets..o slow lang ako? :-D
lalo na the parts about things not being equal and people kissing a$$. :?
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: polarized06 on January 15, 2008, 04:20:55 PM
eto ba un TOM na nakatira sa may malate? un malapit sa Rob place?? muntik nako kasi bumili ng guitar sa kanya on 2 occassions...kaso nagalangan ako hehe
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: Allan_Reamillo on January 15, 2008, 06:39:03 PM
Ano naman kukunin mo sana Laur? Metal guitar ba? :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: maxi_musikero on January 15, 2008, 09:32:38 PM
ndi equal na parang may exemption sya dahil iba lahi nya at may mga alagad sya na kiss a$$ na ready 24 hours para ipagtanggol sya..
exemption dito sa pagpost sa philmusic? well i think the mods can handle that na. i don't think it's an exemption but more of an ignorance on the part of freedomtom.
sa kiss a$$ naman na sinasabi mo, i don't think that's what's happening. different people have different experiences in dealing with freedomtom or any other foreigner for that matter. minsan good, minsan bad ang experiences. they're just sharing whatever they've experienced to forewarn others or give them an idea on how to deal with foreigners. this isn't exactly kissing a$$. :-)
my two cents bro. peace. :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: doksplata on January 16, 2008, 06:21:14 PM
exemption dito sa pagpost sa philmusic? well i think the mods can handle that na. i don't think it's an exemption but more of an ignorance on the part of freedomtom.
sa kiss a$$ naman na sinasabi mo, i don't think that's what's happening. different people have different experiences in dealing with freedomtom or any other foreigner for that matter. minsan good, minsan bad ang experiences. they're just sharing whatever they've experienced to forewarn others or give them an idea on how to deal with foreigners. this isn't exactly kissing a$$. :-)
my two cents bro. peace. :-D
:lol:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: juzaen on January 16, 2008, 10:47:50 PM
sakin naka deal ko na siya.. para sakin ok na din kesa sa singapore bumili ng 2nd hand na gibson LP kesa sa singapore.. nakamura na din ako.. pero kapag magbebenta ka naku mambabarat siya syempre para pagbinenta niya malaki tubo.. negosyante kasi Ang dapat siguro pagisipan nalang natin kung ok ba yung deal o hindi, nasatin pa din yun.. kaya ingat na din.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: jem_adriano on January 17, 2008, 02:35:01 AM
balak pa yata nyang pakyawin ang peds ni ms. baycap...naku pag nangyari yun ang mura mura nanga eh baka ibenta pa nya ng mahal!
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: lovecore on January 17, 2008, 05:07:16 AM
Well, that's why people were suggesting to go to the guy if you wanna check out and buy guitars. not really to sell cuz so far, that's what people don't like about the whole thing.
now about the buying and selling of tom. he's a businessman so he really is in the business of earning so if he buys something cheap from someone who needs money then sells it a little higher than he got it, that's his right. people in the forum frown upon those who price it way over brand new price but if let's say, someone sells a boss pedal for a grand and he sells it for 2, then it's still within reason and justified. that's his business. As much as we don't like some details in the way he runs his business (going to his place, etc.), He has every right to do so. Ganun din naman buy and sell ng kotse atbp. Let's also be fair and not gang up on him just because he's in the forum not as a contributor but as a businessman. ganyan talaga yan. I don't know the guy and you'll even read in a previous post that I have some comments about him but that's it. If someone buys an Epi LP custom for 10k and sells it for 20k, magagalit din ba kayo? Hindi diba? Pag tinira nyo yung seller, sasagutin pa kayo ng ibang members na he has the right to sell it at that price. baka makawawa pa kayo diba? respeto lang kailangan natin dito, mga kapatid :-D
If you feel like saying why is he selling so and so when the seller just sold it for (put cheap price here), just think about it. Maybe you should've bought it instead then dba?
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: GslashG on January 17, 2008, 05:12:41 AM
Dito kasi sa pinas, mas makinis, mas mahal, sa ibang bansa kasi, mas vintage mas nkakalula ang presyo... iba tayo dito eh, hehehe kya sure money tlga c tom dito, if indi mo alam ung worth ng stuffs mo, wag mo nlng ilabas... bka ipamigay mo nlng den, pgpunta mo ng eaurope, milyonaryo kna pla sana! :evil:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: curlicue on December 22, 2008, 01:44:34 PM
Just reviving an old topic.
Silly me, It just occurred to me to do a search on freedomtom now that I made a purchase from him. Haha!
Anyway, I've been reading through the first several pages of the thread and it seemed like a lot of people didn't (or still don't?) like how freedomtom does business.
Para sa akin, it's all good. I was looking for a Marshall MG30DFX amp and saw that it's 11K-13K brand new... around 9K in Raon... tapos freedomtom was selling it for 7.9K - so kinuha ko na.
He demoed the unit before I paid and everything looked/sounded and did what they ought to. So unless I discover some seriously wrong thing with the amp soon, I'd say it was a decent transaction. :)
Almost a year na pala before someone has made a post on this topic. I wonder how freedomtom's reputation has changed since then. Hehe.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: Musikerochan on December 22, 2008, 02:24:45 PM
Silly me, It just occurred to me to do a search on freedomtom now that I made a purchase from him. Haha!
Anyway, I've been reading through the first several pages of the thread and it seemed like a lot of people didn't (or still don't?) like how freedomtom does business.
Para sa akin, it's all good. I was looking for a Marshall MG30DFX amp and saw that it's 11K-13K brand new... around 9K in Raon... tapos freedomtom was selling it for 7.9K - so kinuha ko na.
He demoed the unit before I paid and everything looked/sounded and did what they ought to. So unless I discover some seriously wrong thing with the amp soon, I'd say it was a decent transaction. :)
Almost a year na pala before someone has made a post on this topic. I wonder how freedomtom's reputation has changed since then. Hehe.
ganun pa din yung style nya ng pagtatanong: parang dugtong-dugtong na bugtong, ahay! peace men, makikikulit lang, mejo boring dito sa place namen.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: SeafoodPancake on December 22, 2008, 02:59:28 PM
Mga pre, weird ung taong un.. bgo sya nagpost d2 sa Philmusic nkatxt ko n sya nung ngng interested ako once sa mga pedals nya. Madami syang pedal.. Nagdodoble at triple pa nga ung ibang model n meron sya..
Collection nya daw un. Nung tinanung ko ung condition ng pedal na gusto kong kunin parang na offend sya. haha! Ang ibig nyang sbhin, parang duda p daw ako sa mga pedal nya eh kolektor siya..
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: SeafoodPancake on December 22, 2008, 03:03:53 PM
Mga pre, weird ung taong un.. bgo sya nagpost d2 sa Philmusic nkatxt ko n sya nung ngng interested ako once sa mga pedals nya. Madami syang pedal.. Nagdodoble at triple pa nga ung ibang model n meron sya..
Collection nya daw un. Nung tinanung ko ung condition ng pedal na gusto kong kunin parang na offend sya. haha! Ang ibig nyang sbhin, parang duda p daw ako sa mga pedal nya eh kolektor siya..
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: curlicue on December 22, 2008, 03:32:29 PM
^ I think it's just fair that you ask regarding the condition of the item you'll buy. No reason for him to get offended. Pero there's nothing wrong din with having huge collections of items kahit dumo-doble at triple pa. I have experience with collecting stuff too and ganun talaga pag collector ka. Hehe.
"dugtong-dugtong na bugtong" - LOL! ang bilis niya magsalita, grabe... hindi ako makasunod madalas. hehe.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: CARABAO on December 22, 2008, 03:36:31 PM
well, it's simple how tom works --
you have to check out his items in person. he hates negotiating via text or phone. imho, it's really better that way, especially if he's selling a lot.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: bentoinks on December 22, 2008, 03:55:48 PM
Silly me, It just occurred to me to do a search on freedomtom now that I made a purchase from him. Haha!
Anyway, I've been reading through the first several pages of the thread and it seemed like a lot of people didn't (or still don't?) like how freedomtom does business.
Para sa akin, it's all good. I was looking for a Marshall MG30DFX amp and saw that it's 11K-13K brand new... around 9K in Raon... tapos freedomtom was selling it for 7.9K - so kinuha ko na.
He demoed the unit before I paid and everything looked/sounded and did what they ought to. So unless I discover some seriously wrong thing with the amp soon, I'd say it was a decent transaction. :)
Almost a year na pala before someone has made a post on this topic. I wonder how freedomtom's reputation has changed since then. Hehe.
good point.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: curlicue on December 22, 2008, 04:17:35 PM
niloloko ako ng opismates ko =p baka tinaga daw yung amp. hahaha.
hindi naman sa praning, pero curious lang ako... tsaka may nagmention na din sa akin kasi dati about genuine and fake amps sa Raon... How could you tell exactly if an amp is genuine or fake? O.o Napepeke ba talaga ang amps?
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: ierofan on December 22, 2008, 10:40:03 PM
si tom? yung ganito = magtext + ang linya nya = "pls call me, past 10am / early 10pm." "we talk = price you trade + cash."
mathematician ata sya?
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: dirt on December 22, 2008, 11:12:19 PM
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: triple 6 on December 23, 2008, 06:26:06 AM
i got my iceman from tom.. (ic300) reasonable price naman.. halos 15k yung natipid ko sa orig price sa audiophile.. walang issues aside sa regular scratches. may pagka stiff siya kausap pero pag nakilala mo ok naman siya.. you must stick to his rules on how he makes business... kung makita mo yung collection niya ng guitara n gears sa sala ma papa WTF ka talaga.. well i got some info about him.. nagka taon na ka kilala ng officemate ko si tom may info lang ako.. personal.. well, i dont mind that basta nakuha ko na yung gusto ko ayus na.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: kozki on December 23, 2008, 08:11:40 AM
german pala sya..
nagtext din sakin yan e..
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: Musikerochan on December 23, 2008, 08:20:49 AM
newbie here.. i somehow know now how he deals with clients.
question: a.) does he know the products he's selling? He certainly knows his stuff b.) when he say he's selling gibsons or fenders, is it really the product and not some copy or imitation? they're the real thing, although he sells copies but he mentions they are copies, and if you are thinking he tries to knock people off by selling fake items presented as genuine, I think he wouldn't do that c.) no misrepresentation?? or tells that all original but some parts were changed? I don't think he does so too...
hope you guys, especially those who have been to his place, can answer my questions...
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: kozki on December 23, 2008, 11:51:20 AM
bat kaya walang comment si freedomtom d2?
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: riccaliolio on December 23, 2008, 08:37:07 PM
Well, that's why people were suggesting to go to the guy if you wanna check out and buy guitars. not really to sell cuz so far, that's what people don't like about the whole thing.
now about the buying and selling of tom. he's a businessman so he really is in the business of earning so if he buys something cheap from someone who needs money then sells it a little higher than he got it, that's his right. people in the forum frown upon those who price it way over brand new price but if let's say, someone sells a boss pedal for a grand and he sells it for 2, then it's still within reason and justified. that's his business. As much as we don't like some details in the way he runs his business (going to his place, etc.), He has every right to do so. Ganun din naman buy and sell ng kotse atbp. Let's also be fair and not gang up on him just because he's in the forum not as a contributor but as a businessman. ganyan talaga yan. I don't know the guy and you'll even read in a previous post that I have some comments about him but that's it. If someone buys an Epi LP custom for 10k and sells it for 20k, magagalit din ba kayo? Hindi diba? Pag tinira nyo yung seller, sasagutin pa kayo ng ibang members na he has the right to sell it at that price. baka makawawa pa kayo diba? respeto lang kailangan natin dito, mga kapatid :-D
If you feel like saying why is he selling so and so when the seller just sold it for (put cheap price here), just think about it. Maybe you should've bought it instead then dba?
First time to read this thread. I think the post I quoted got it right.
Business is business! Anybody heard someone who does business to get bankrupt??? Anybody heard a business where you spend time and money to buy an item and sell it at the same price or lower???
Hehe. Just my one and a half centavos. :D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: masterjeremiah14 on December 23, 2008, 09:53:21 PM
i got my greco lp to him and a marshall acoustic amp. i got my penny's worth. i also sell my mt2 to him,,,, all in a very good deal
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: pinkybrief on December 24, 2008, 12:19:47 AM
newbie here.. i somehow know now how he deals with clients.
question: a.) does he know the products he's selling? b.) when he say he's selling gibsons or fenders, is it really the product and not some copy or imitation? c.) no misrepresentation?? or tells that all original but some parts were changed?
hope you guys, especially those who have been to his place, can answer my questions...
There have been complaints on his text lingo and how he does business but misrepresentation isn't one of them :-)
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: royc on December 24, 2008, 11:35:14 AM
i have noticed that you were the one posting pics.. are you related to him??
There are numerous requests for pics of items he is selling. Unfortunately Tom is computer-challenged and he cannot do it by himself. I sometimes drop by his place to copy the pics from his digicam and post them whenever I am available.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: mrbrownstone on December 24, 2008, 05:43:11 PM
mabait si tom, i think everybody should understand why some items have high price. you cant blame him, his guitars are like decent "one offs" and besides, he's in the buy n sell buiseness
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: pinkybrief on December 24, 2008, 06:19:01 PM
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Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: dehinsss on February 02, 2009, 02:21:21 AM
its not that hes bad or anything. Hes German and germans are a very "Planning Culture" Work is very strict and everything is on the dot. Theyre quite serious when it comes to business because work is work, and life is life, unlike us filipinos, germans dont like mixing things together.. Im a business management student minoring in German.
Business Negotiation
. Do not sit until invited and told where to sit. There is a rigid protocol to be followed. . Meetings adhere to strict agendas, including starting and ending times. . Treat the process with the formality that it deserves. . Germany is heavily regulated and extremely bureaucratic. . Germans prefer to get down to business and only engage in the briefest of small talk. They will be interested in your credentials. . Make sure your printed material is available in both English and German. . Contracts are strictly followed. . You must be patient and not appear ruffled by the strict adherence to protocol. Germans are detail- oriented and want to understand every innuendo before coming to an agreement. . Business is hierarchical. Decision-making is held at the top of the company. . Final decisions are translated into rigorous, comprehensive action steps that you can expect will be carried out to the letter. . Avoid confrontational behaviour or high- pressure tactics. It can be counterproductive. . Once a decision is made, it will not be changed.
plus we have to understand this man is doing this because hes a businessman and this is his livelihood unlike many of us who only sell things to get something else from time to time thats why were used to selling and buying for very cheap prices.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: lateralis on February 02, 2009, 02:47:51 AM
its not that hes bad or anything. Hes German and germans are a very "Planning Culture" Work is very strict and everything is on the dot. Theyre quite serious when it comes to business because work is work, and life is life, unlike us filipinos, germans dont like mixing things together.. Im a business management student minoring in German.
Business Negotiation
. Do not sit until invited and told where to sit. There is a rigid protocol to be followed. . Meetings adhere to strict agendas, including starting and ending times. . Treat the process with the formality that it deserves. . Germany is heavily regulated and extremely bureaucratic. . Germans prefer to get down to business and only engage in the briefest of small talk. They will be interested in your credentials. . Make sure your printed material is available in both English and German. . Contracts are strictly followed. . You must be patient and not appear ruffled by the strict adherence to protocol. Germans are detail- oriented and want to understand every innuendo before coming to an agreement. . Business is hierarchical. Decision-making is held at the top of the company. . Final decisions are translated into rigorous, comprehensive action steps that you can expect will be carried out to the letter. . Avoid confrontational behaviour or high- pressure tactics. It can be counterproductive. . Once a decision is made, it will not be changed.
plus we have to understand this man is doing this because hes a businessman and this is his livelihood unlike many of us who only sell things to get something else from time to time thats why were used to selling and buying for very cheap prices.
You have a point there. Tom is a professional businessman but I think he should also adjust himself w/ our culture. Besides, he's in 'Pinas.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: lovecore on February 02, 2009, 04:04:13 AM
You have a point there. Tom is a professional businessman but I think he should also adjust himself w/ our culture. Besides, he's in 'Pinas.
+100000000000000000
I've worked with German clients directly for over 4 yrs and it's different from how Tom conducts business or talks on the forum and from people's experiences. That statement can go for the differences in people's behavior and not entirely a culture so as much as we can take hold of "how german's are in business" I guess there should be an adjustment especially when they're the ones in another country.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: blackdogg on February 02, 2009, 09:26:09 AM
before ma-lock to; i find freedomtom's post annoying and confusing =+1tbcdbfj*7$#@jf!! he better hire a secretary :-D nice guitars tho Mabuhay Ang Pilipinas :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: phektus on February 02, 2009, 10:24:08 AM
I think he's aggressive in sweet talking his terms and pointing out your items 'shortcomings' (normal for businessmen and 'barat' types even pinoys, but he also appears to be very straightforward and frank, which I like when doing transactions.
I don't think he has to adjust to our culture, and that applies on us too. So leave him be if you have nothing to spare or have nothing to offer, but if you do, don't expect him to treat you as a paying customer.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: slowhandpal on February 02, 2009, 11:20:11 AM
I've worked with German clients directly for over 4 yrs and it's different from how Tom conducts business or talks on the forum and from people's experiences. That statement can go for the differences in people's behavior and not entirely a culture so as much as we can take hold of "how german's are in business" I guess there should be an adjustment especially when they're the ones in another country.
Absolutely right! he should behave and respect the way we do when we are in other places. Since he is professional businessman as others said, I wish he should also pay taxes to the government, since our professional businessmen pay taxes too.. :-)
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: dehinsss on February 02, 2009, 05:48:51 PM
"You have a point there. Tom is a professional businessman but I think he should also adjust himself w/ our culture. Besides, he's in 'Pinas."
yes exactly. i think hes a little lost hahahh
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: ytse_neil on February 03, 2009, 04:08:20 AM
Mga boss tanong ko lang kung may nakabili na po ba sa inyo na guitar kay freedomtom na sira or may defect?since nung nabasa ko kasi tong thread about sa kanya eh nagalangan na ako.. :? (http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn245/ytse_neil/IMG-40871-1.jpg)
I bought this aria pro II road warrior to him last saturday at 6,500..orig price po nian 6.9 akala ko nga po kakagat siya sa 6k eh..Tingin nio po ba ok lang yung price na inoffer nia?or masyadong mahal? :?
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: lateralis on February 03, 2009, 07:12:05 AM
I think he's aggressive in sweet talking his terms and pointing out your items 'shortcomings' (normal for businessmen and 'barat' types even pinoys, but he also appears to be very straightforward and frank, which I like when doing transactions.
I don't think he has to adjust to our culture, and that applies on us too. So leave him be if you have nothing to spare or have nothing to offer, but if you do, don't expect him to treat you as a paying customer.
I disagree bro. He has to adjust like we all do. It's not like 100 persons have to adjust just for 1.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: paolo_du on February 03, 2009, 11:09:23 AM
I went to his place some time ago, and yes, sobrang critical siya sa items mo, to the point that he will make you feel bad about your item, and that he will make his items look good. He contacted me about my Gibson SG, and said I should come over.
Okay naman siya, pero tip lang, wag kang papadala sa mga hirit niya, even if he says that by coming over and not buying/selling is just "wasting his time". He will say that, even if he's the one who will invite you over for a POSSIBLE deal, and nothing final. This is not a part of being a proper businessman, and contrary to how a businessman should be as one of you described what Tom is. (The "planning culture" thing) The plan is to check items for a possible deal. In fact, the time wasted is mine, and not his, as i came from four cities away, without him taking even a step out of his apartment. Also, professional businessmen deal with people well-dressed, or at least decently covered up, and not half naked. With these premises, I do not think Tom is a professional businessman. :x
Going in strong, but with feet of clay will not work. Once you are in his turf remember to be respectful, but nonetheless, very TOUGH as well. Yun lang, no need for adjustments, except maybe a little more respect and clothing on his part. :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: am i clear? on February 03, 2009, 02:26:55 PM
Nahawa na siguro sa Pinoy Tambay culture. Topless kung topless.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: lovecore on February 03, 2009, 07:39:26 PM
I went to his place some time ago, and yes, sobrang critical siya sa items mo, to the point that he will make you feel bad about your item, and that he will make his items look good. He contacted me about my Gibson SG, and said I should come over.
Okay naman siya, pero tip lang, wag kang papadala sa mga hirit niya, even if he says that by coming over and not buying/selling is just "wasting his time". He will say that, even if he's the one who will invite you over for a POSSIBLE deal, and nothing final. This is not a part of being a proper businessman, and contrary to how a businessman should be as one of you described what Tom is. (The "planning culture" thing) The plan is to check items for a possible deal. In fact, the time wasted is mine, and not his, as i came from four cities away, without him taking even a step out of his apartment. Also, professional businessmen deal with people well-dressed, or at least decently covered up, and not half naked. With these premises, I do not think Tom is a professional businessman. :x
Going in strong, but with feet of clay will not work. Once you are in his turf remember to be respectful, but nonetheless, very TOUGH as well. Yun lang, no need for adjustments, except maybe a little more respect and clothing on his part. :-D
good thing you posted this. I shall not push through na haha
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: gitarakista27 on February 03, 2009, 08:55:05 PM
i met tom twice na. nung first time, naunahan ako ng other guy pumasok so i had to wait for them to finish negotiating. after 15 mins tumigil na sila sa pag test ng guitars because di na sila nagiingay and i heard raised voices. nung una mejo casual at superficial laughters then at some point, his front door opened and the seller came out carrying his guitars and uttered, "magulo kausap yan pare!" to my face and continued to storm out. Tom smiled and said "hehehehe he's crazy".
Tom in my opinion is a negotiator. He may not be a professionally spoken business man but he is a good guitar salesman kasi thats his living here in manila and i dont think he napulot nya lang lahat ng good guitars nya. yun ang trabaho nya here and i can't really blame him if mambarat siya. he's not like us sa classifieds trying to sell our guitars just to buy a new guitar or some effects. yun talaga ang bread and butter nya dito. Otherwise he wouldn't be home halfnaked in the middle of the day! :-D
eto para sa akin ang good points at bad points ni tom:
good points: 1. hes got lotsa guitars! 2. hes got lotsa rare and excellent guitars! 3. hes got tons of amps and effects 4. he'll take any fender or gibson or any branded guitar off your hands for the price he sees fit(regardless if you like the price or not). unlike other buyers na 'dude wait lang ah ipon lang ako'. so if he likes your guitar he'll give you his price and sell it to you agad right then and there.
bad points 1. he deals half naked! 2. he has excessive body odor 3. he sells amps with scratchy pots :lol: 4. he sells guitars he bought for 4k for 14k. as in malakas siya magpatong. he wont sell a guitar unless he sells it for more than the price he got it. yun ang napansin ko talaga sakanya. 5. he doesnt do meet ups 6. he's really good at making you feel bad about your gear 7. he's not punctual din! he told me to come at 1. i came at 1 exacto. and he made me wait outside his door until 1:25. di man lang nya ako pinapasok.
I haven't heard any 'fake' or 'knock-off' guitar stories about tom pero mukang authentic at satisfactory naman ang mga guitars na binebenta nya. A word of caution nalang. To those who will deal with him, talk to him on the phone muna and get your possible deal straight before going there. You should describe all the details of the item over the phone muna. That way, you'll know at what price you can get out of him para di na kayo mag aksaya ng time going there. I told him the price of the amp i sold him over the phone and when i went there to sell him the amp, we didn't have to beat around the bush to settle the deal anymore.
this is not pangsisira to tom in anyway. Im sure you guys know din what he's like and how he deals. just wanted to share my experiences. Tom is a cool guy din naman. If you sell him something cool and make him your friend he'll give you goodies din like pedals or other gear for free.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: slowhandpal on February 03, 2009, 09:20:00 PM
Okay naman siya, pero tip lang, wag kang papadala sa mga hirit niya, even if he says that by coming over and not buying/selling is just "wasting his time". He will say that, even if he's the one who will invite you over for a POSSIBLE deal, and nothing final. :-D [/quote]
this is what I usually heard from my friends.very informative tip bro. thanks for sharing your experience. thanks bro Dale too:-)
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: BluesVox on February 03, 2009, 09:28:32 PM
tagalog tayo para di nya maintindihan... :-D
matagal ko na nakakadeal si tom wala pa yata philmusic nakakadeal ko na cya tru buy and sell mag.
actually, talagang mejo barat cya kung magbebenta ka sa kanya, pero nasa iyo nman yun kung bebenta mo or hidi yun item eh, pero talagang sure buyer yan, cyempre bisnes nya yan linya nya yan kaya experto cya sa sales talk(mambarat)
about naman sa attitude nya mejo hindi cya propesyunal kung makiharap nakahubad pa nga kung minsan at mejo maliit talaga tingin nya sa pinoy, pero ugali nya yun eh bahala cya, "sa kanya ang balik nun".
kung bibili ka nman sa kanya ok lng reasonable nman ang price, pero cyempre makikipaghilahan ka sa presyo na gusto mo at kaya mo, ganun talaga thats part of the bisnes di ba?
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: paolo_du on February 04, 2009, 12:28:12 AM
good thing you posted this. I shall not push through na haha
Bro, I'm not saying do not deal with him! By all means, go to his place, and sort the deal out. Sinasabi ko lang na mag-ingat ka sa pagtanggap ng mga sinasabi niya. Marami siyang sasabihin para makalamang siya sa deal. Kung hindi ka handa dito, malalamangan ka. Yun lang naman. (Tagalog muna, tama si BluesVox) :-D :-D
It's an experience!!! He has lots of grrreeeaaaat guitars sitting in his apartment! Maaawa ka dahil parang orphanage dun. Kulang lahat sa alaga. Parang gusto mong mag-ampon. Hehe :-)
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: pipoy on February 04, 2009, 03:32:40 AM
Bro, I'm not saying do not deal with him! By all means, go to his place, and sort the deal out. Sinasabi ko lang na mag-ingat ka sa pagtanggap ng mga sinasabi niya. Marami siyang sasabihin para makalamang siya sa deal. Kung hindi ka handa dito, malalamangan ka. Yun lang naman. (Tagalog muna, tama si BluesVox) :-D :-D
It's an experience!!! He has lots of grrreeeaaaat guitars sitting in his apartment! Maaawa ka dahil parang orphanage dun. Kulang lahat sa alaga. Parang gusto mong mag-ampon. Hehe :-)
Onga eh. sa pag bibili siguro ako, pwede pa. But to go to him to offer a possible guitar for trade/sale, wag nalang. sayang lang oras ko kung ganun. at marami nakong narinig na kwento hehe
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: gitarakista27 on February 04, 2009, 08:08:18 AM
Onga eh. sa pag bibili siguro ako, pwede pa. But to go to him to offer a possible guitar for trade/sale, wag nalang. sayang lang oras ko kung ganun. at marami nakong narinig na kwento hehe
yea he really likes telling LONG stories.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: dudeofdude on February 04, 2009, 09:19:49 AM
HAHAHA for this thread. dati naginquire ako sakanya through sms, anghaba ng reply sobra! crooked english pa
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: markv on February 04, 2009, 10:28:49 AM
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: marcus_gloom on February 05, 2009, 12:10:52 PM
I will be avoiding trading with this guy,
I'm worried i might lose my temper and bust his face off, and might eventually end up in me putting a bullet on his head, his security guard and anyone who'd stop me.
Im Crazy like that...
I've a very short fuse on foreigners who does not respect pinoys, mistreat women and have terrible manners.
I hope he reads this.
Bwa, ha, ha, ha
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: slowhandpal on February 05, 2009, 12:27:45 PM
Onga eh. sa pag bibili siguro ako, pwede pa. But to go to him to offer a possible guitar for trade/sale, wag nalang. sayang lang oras ko kung ganun. at marami nakong narinig na kwento hehe
rightly said, if you want to buy, no problem but if you go there to sell or trade your stuff, youre inviting problem :-)
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: chadrobles on February 05, 2009, 02:48:51 PM
Mga boss tanong ko lang kung may nakabili na po ba sa inyo na guitar kay freedomtom na sira or may defect?since nung nabasa ko kasi tong thread about sa kanya eh nagalangan na ako.. :? (http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn245/ytse_neil/IMG-40871-1.jpg)
I bought this aria pro II road warrior to him last saturday at 6,500..orig price po nian 6.9 akala ko nga po kakagat siya sa 6k eh..Tingin nio po ba ok lang yung price na inoffer nia?or masyadong mahal? :?
good deal na siguro yan bro. (PARA KAY TOM) :evil: :evil: :evil:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: Zacchary_amadeus on February 05, 2009, 07:55:24 PM
balak ko din bumili dito dati pero nung nakausap ko sa phone parang lugi ka na sa negotiation kaya hindi na ako nagtuloy bumili.. pwede bang mag mura sa mga taong ganito ang estilo?? yung walang ginawa kundi lamangan ang kapwa musikero??? du h*st!
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: ytse_neil on February 05, 2009, 08:04:56 PM
anu po yung balak mong bilhin sa kanya sir?
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: Zacchary_amadeus on February 05, 2009, 08:34:55 PM
RG model, i cannot remember kung ano yung exact model na yun something rg 3**.. a bit 3 years old and rusty yung guitar na binebenta niya noon way back 2006 pero nung nakausap ko xa benta daw niya around 18k negotiate ako kung pwede around pwede 15k. tapos ask ko kung ok pa fret life tapos kung may dings at scratches pero ayaw niya sabihin kung meron o wala. sabi niya kung sure akong bibilhin yung gear puntahan ko na lang daw sa condominium niya somewhere along roxas boulevard para makita yung gear. the problem is hindi ko pa nga nakikita yung gear bibilhin ko na agad?? tapos hindi ko pa natetesting kung ok yung pick up ng gear. pano ko bibilhin yun kung ang pick up nun tunog lata ng sardinas?? kaya nagdalawang isip talaga ako kung bibilhin ko nga yun tapos home court pa niya makikita yung gear? s/u/c/k dealership to. hindi na ako pumunta para mabili yung gear baka sapilitan pa ang mangyari. :x
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: slowhandpal on February 05, 2009, 09:42:26 PM
RG model, i cannot remember kung ano yung exact model na yun something rg 3**.. a bit 3 years old and rusty yung guitar na binebenta niya noon way back 2006 pero nung nakausap ko xa benta daw niya around 18k negotiate ako kung pwede around pwede 15k. tapos ask ko kung ok pa fret life tapos kung may dings at scratches pero ayaw niya sabihin kung meron o wala. sabi niya kung sure akong bibilhin yung gear puntahan ko na lang daw sa condominium niya somewhere along roxas boulevard para makita yung gear. the problem is hindi ko pa nga nakikita yung gear bibilhin ko na agad?? tapos hindi ko pa natetesting kung ok yung pick up ng gear. pano ko bibilhin yun kung ang pick up nun tunog lata ng sardinas?? kaya nagdalawang isip talaga ako kung bibilhin ko nga yun tapos home court pa niya makikita yung gear? s/u/c/k dealership to. hindi na ako pumunta para mabili yung gear baka sapilitan pa ang mangyari. :x
baka isa ka sa masasabihan sana ng you're wasting my time..
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: gitarakista27 on February 05, 2009, 10:01:28 PM
RG model, i cannot remember kung ano yung exact model na yun something rg 3**.. a bit 3 years old and rusty yung guitar na binebenta niya noon way back 2006 pero nung nakausap ko xa benta daw niya around 18k negotiate ako kung pwede around pwede 15k. tapos ask ko kung ok pa fret life tapos kung may dings at scratches pero ayaw niya sabihin kung meron o wala. sabi niya kung sure akong bibilhin yung gear puntahan ko na lang daw sa condominium niya somewhere along roxas boulevard para makita yung gear. the problem is hindi ko pa nga nakikita yung gear bibilhin ko na agad?? tapos hindi ko pa natetesting kung ok yung pick up ng gear. pano ko bibilhin yun kung ang pick up nun tunog lata ng sardinas?? kaya nagdalawang isip talaga ako kung bibilhin ko nga yun tapos home court pa niya makikita yung gear? s/u/c/k dealership to. hindi na ako pumunta para mabili yung gear baka sapilitan pa ang mangyari. :x
bakit naman magiging sapilitan? di ka naman nya tututukan ng baril and force u to buy the guitar. he'll hand it to you, and you can test it, examine it, ask him about it. hes fair in that sense and he won't FORCE you to buy anything you're not up to buy. Nasayo nalang yon if he's a good enough salesman to grease you and make a pitch.
and in my opinion hindi naman siya kagaya ng other buy and sell dudes where they're desperate to sell their guitars. this is his living naman kaya he can afford to make potential buyers go to his house to make a sale. its like audiophile, jb, or yamaha in my opinion. the stores don't go to you and do meet ups to sell their guitars. and besides, tom's guitars are awesome naman kaya its a nice trip din to go to his place and see them! :-D
two cents ko lang to. :-)
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: ytse_neil on February 05, 2009, 10:20:13 PM
RG model, i cannot remember kung ano yung exact model na yun something rg 3**.. a bit 3 years old and rusty yung guitar na binebenta niya noon way back 2006 pero nung nakausap ko xa benta daw niya around 18k negotiate ako kung pwede around pwede 15k. tapos ask ko kung ok pa fret life tapos kung may dings at scratches pero ayaw niya sabihin kung meron o wala. sabi niya kung sure akong bibilhin yung gear puntahan ko na lang daw sa condominium niya somewhere along roxas boulevard para makita yung gear. the problem is hindi ko pa nga nakikita yung gear bibilhin ko na agad?? tapos hindi ko pa natetesting kung ok yung pick up ng gear. pano ko bibilhin yun kung ang pick up nun tunog lata ng sardinas?? kaya nagdalawang isip talaga ako kung bibilhin ko nga yun tapos home court pa niya makikita yung gear? s/u/c/k dealership to. hindi na ako pumunta para mabili yung gear baka sapilitan pa ang mangyari. :x
gara ah..so you mean di mo pa nakikita yung actual pics nun eh gusto na niya na kunin mo agad?tsk tsk..bumili kasi ako sa kanya ng aria pro II..ang gara lang eh pinatest lang sakin ng nakaclean pero di ko natest ng nakadist..
tignin nio ba sir na ayos lang yung price na binigay niya sakin?kasi 6.5k score ko sa aria..
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: royc on February 05, 2009, 10:56:07 PM
gara ah..so you mean di mo pa nakikita yung actual pics nun eh gusto na niya na kunin mo agad?tsk tsk..bumili kasi ako sa kanya ng aria pro II..ang gara lang eh pinatest lang sakin ng nakaclean pero di ko natest ng nakadist..
tignin nio ba sir na ayos lang yung price na binigay niya sakin?kasi 6.5k score ko sa aria..
6.5k for an mij is a good price IMO. last december nag abang ako ng maayos na mij for 5k dito sa philmusic wala akong nakita.
pag nagtetest ka ng gitara dapat talaga naka clean para dinig mo ang totoong tunog ng gitara.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: ytse_neil on February 05, 2009, 11:07:08 PM
ok.. :-) Thanks sir royc..di ba po ikaw mga nagpost ng mga pics sa mga guitar ni sir tom sa classifieds?magkakilala po ba kayo?
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: bryanarzaga on February 05, 2009, 11:21:49 PM
ok.. :-) Thanks sir royc..di ba po ikaw mga nagpost ng mga pics sa mga guitar ni sir tom sa classifieds?magkakilala po ba kayo?
magkapatid si royc at tom..
joke lang roy :-D
wag lang kayo pa intimidate, kasi if you know your guitar..ipaglaban nyo rin, and sometimes you can get a good deal. just don't expect him to praise your photogenic LP when you bring it over to his place in trade of a greco.
never had a problem when i had a deal with him, ofcourse you'd expect him to want the better end of the deal but it's up to you if you'll give in.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: slowhandpal on February 06, 2009, 03:51:22 PM
a friend is wondering here which half is naked.. :lol:
well, many said hes got a very sexy & pretty girl in his apartment too. of course please don't expect to be half naked too. you not so good boys out there! :-)
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: jhaystrat on February 06, 2009, 04:18:10 PM
baka isa ka sa masasabihan sana ng you're wasting my time..
i do have a word man. ask lazer if i did make a reserve and bought a gear a day after my reservation. siguro nga ganun ang gustong sabihin kasi we didn't meet at both ends but the way he talks during the negotiation it really pisses me off.. I just dont know if he's in the good mood during that time..
gara ah..so you mean di mo pa nakikita yung actual pics nun eh gusto na niya na kunin mo agad?tsk tsk..bumili kasi ako sa kanya ng aria pro II..ang gara lang eh pinatest lang sakin ng nakaclean pero di ko natest ng nakadist..
tignin nio ba sir na ayos lang yung price na binigay niya sakin?kasi 6.5k score ko sa aria..
good price yun..
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: Zacchary_amadeus on February 06, 2009, 06:48:13 PM
bakit naman magiging sapilitan? di ka naman nya tututukan ng baril and force u to buy the guitar. he'll hand it to you, and you can test it, examine it, ask him about it. hes fair in that sense and he won't FORCE you to buy anything you're not up to buy. Nasayo nalang yon if he's a good enough salesman to grease you and make a pitch.
and in my opinion hindi naman siya kagaya ng other buy and sell dudes where they're desperate to sell their guitars. this is his living naman kaya he can afford to make potential buyers go to his house to make a sale. its like audiophile, jb, or yamaha in my opinion. the stores don't go to you and do meet ups to sell their guitars. and besides, tom's guitars are awesome naman kaya its a nice trip din to go to his place and see them! :-D
two cents ko lang to. :-)
yah i Know stores dont go to you but the customer is always right.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: amacatan on February 06, 2009, 09:06:55 PM
kung yung text speak e bawal at sinisita ng moderator (minsan binubura pa yung post mismo), wala bang moderator na sisita kung pano mag-post si freedomtom?
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: blackdogg on February 06, 2009, 09:09:26 PM
kung yung text speak e bawal at sinisita ng moderator (minsan binubura pa yung post mismo), wala bang moderator na sisita kung pano mag-post si freedomtom?
hmmmmmm....+1
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: phektus on February 06, 2009, 09:37:56 PM
kung yung text speak e bawal at sinisita ng moderator (minsan binubura pa yung post mismo), wala bang moderator na sisita kung pano mag-post si freedomtom?
syempre wala, german sya eh, pinoy lang tayo, kaya ok lang sya mag ganun. :lol:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: ytse_neil on February 06, 2009, 10:44:23 PM
syempre wala, german sya eh, pinoy lang tayo, kaya ok lang sya mag ganun. :lol:
not true. madaming ads nya ang nadelete 'coz of it didn't follow the rules. the mods here are quite fair.
a few tips on when to deal w/ tom:
1. you are selling an item and you are in a rush. if you sell here in pm chances are it may take weeks before you find a buyer.
2. you want to upgrade and is considering a trade. what are the chances that the guitar you want is owned by someone who likes to trade with your guitar? with tom you can choose any of his items for trade with your item (with cash to cover the difference).
3. you want a wider selection of gears for your budget and the option to compare them side by side. tell him on the spot how much is your budget and what type of guitar you want. he will offer what fits your budget and you can try them all. you can't do that if you buy in pm.
when not to deal with tom:
1. when you are not in a hurry. you can find the best deals here in pm if you have the patience to wait and cash is always ready. research on the price of the item you want and wait wait wait.. hoping to get first crack on a great deal.
2. if you can't haggle. tom is a businessman. he will do his best to get the better deal in order for him to sell your item at market price. he will not buy your item if he will sell it at a loss. however, i heard of some forumers who were able to get very good deals and tom admitted letting go of items at very low margin for various reasons -- sometimes for the simple reason that the kid likes the item so much.
3. you have no cash in hand or isn't decided yet on buying. when you go to his place make sure that you are ready to buy or trade and at what price. research on the item you want beforehand. if you find the item you like and you see no problem with it then buy it. if you don't like it just say you don't like it and go. this is what makes his place different from music stores where it is okay to spend hours testing gears with no intention of buying.
why do you have to go to his place?
1. you are not the only buyer or seller for the day. he deals with more people in a given day than most forumers here. travelling to get to your place means another guy cannot be entertained due to time lost in travelling. of course he will go to your place if you are selling a high valued item.
2. you have more options to choose from and you can test the item you want. want to test a gibson or a fender? thru a mesa or an ampeg? tube or ss? how does it sound with a pedal? he always tells me to test the item before buying. it's a luxury that you only get to enjoy in music stores--and music stores don't go to your place.
how to deal with tom:
1. come on time. everyone is scheduled. coming at 3pm when you are scheduled for 2pm means the 3pm guy will have to wait.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: stringman on February 07, 2009, 07:52:56 AM
It's called buy and sell, you can't haggle below what the seller put out to purchase the item. In the long run it's not the price of the item, but how much you want the item.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: gitarakista27 on February 07, 2009, 08:45:43 AM
It's called buy and sell, you can't haggle below what the seller put out to purchase the item. In the long run it's not the price of the item, but how much you want the item.
thank you for expressing what i wanted to say. yun din ang point ko but i didn't find the right words to say eh. :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: gitarakista27 on February 07, 2009, 09:03:34 AM
1. come on time. everyone is scheduled. coming at 3pm when you are scheduled for 2pm means the 3pm guy will have to wait.
i had an apointment with him at 1. i got there before 1 but he entertained me mga mag 1:30 na. He made me wait outside his door pa. :-(. He was 'answering his texts' pa daw.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: j3yps on February 07, 2009, 11:59:55 AM
i had an apointment with him at 1. i got there before 1 but he entertained me mga mag 1:30 na. He made me wait outside his door pa. :-(. He was 'answering his texts' pa daw.
That's rude...
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: eArL JaM on February 07, 2009, 12:30:04 PM
Ey, sir, thanks for posting this. Relatively, I'm still a "newbie" here so everything is I see/read here is basically a learning experience too. Just wanna say that I saw his classified threads. Man! I don't know what to say!(?) Been thinking of dealing with him someday. Good thing I saw this. A very informative and helpful heads-up for me regarding this person.
Thumbs-up and peace!
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: royc on February 07, 2009, 12:48:46 PM
i had an apointment with him at 1. i got there before 1 but he entertained me mga mag 1:30 na. He made me wait outside his door pa. :-(. He was 'answering his texts' pa daw.
must be something really important. When im there he literally tells the long staying guy to decide if he wants to buy or not coz he has another appointment. Even when im copying his pics from his cam he tells me that hes got guys coming in xx time. When im texting him he tells me if i have visitors coming. Thats why he prefers not to negotiate via txt coz its faster by phone or face to face.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: toybitz on February 07, 2009, 01:31:19 PM
kung yung text speak e bawal at sinisita ng moderator (minsan binubura pa yung post mismo), wala bang moderator na sisita kung pano mag-post si freedomtom?
in case you don't know...off the record: may warning na yan..kaya nga mas ok na yung spelling. as for the "plus" signs... I don't see anything wrong with that its just using "&"...
..at hindi text spelling yun, "r2d2" spelling ang gamit ni Tom.
On the record: Patas patas lang tayong lahat.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: toybitz on February 07, 2009, 01:40:20 PM
must be something really important. When im there he literally tells the long staying guy to decide if he wants to buy or not coz he has another appointment. Even when im copying his pics from his cam he tells me that hes got guys coming in xx time. When im texting him he tells me if i have visitors coming. Thats why he prefers not to negotiate via txt coz its faster by phone or face to face.
but how about those who also have important things to do bro? text is very affordable & the most convenient medium for anyone of us here..we do it anywhere we are, anytime of the day.
most if not all use land line for calls & mobile primarily for text.. sa mga ganito, ikaw ba pag nasa sasakyan ka na, bababa kapa sa bus o jeepney para matawagan si Tom pag may inquiry ka?..until now ba di nya pa rin kaya mag text ng matino? dapat matuto na sya..we should consider our fellow musicians.. should be the majority adjust to his style or the other way around bros?
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: lovecore on February 07, 2009, 07:56:31 PM
but how about those who also have important things to do bro? text is very affordable & the most convenient medium for anyone of us here..we do it anywhere we are, anytime of the day.
most if not all use land line for calls & mobile primarily for text.. sa mga ganito, ikaw ba pag nasa sasakyan ka na, bababa kapa sa bus o jeepney para matawagan si Tom pag may inquiry ka?..until now ba di nya pa rin kaya mag text ng matino? dapat matuto na sya..we should consider our fellow musicians.. should be the majority adjust to his style or the other way around bros?
I'm with you on this 100% bro but fact of the matter is, they'll just tell you not to go to Tom if you can't stand his business practices. hasel pero ganun talaga
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: royc on February 07, 2009, 08:31:12 PM
Namiss yata yung keyword-dont NEGOTIATE sa txt. It is okay to ask sa txt but to negotiate is time consuming, expensive and confusing sa txt. If you txt 10 times sa 5 buyers thats 50. Tapos minsan tagal pa sumagot so you wait. Then next na txt iba na pala kausap mo. Multiply that by the number of items and corresponding buyers ewan ko lang kung di ka mapraning.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: slowhandpal on February 07, 2009, 09:10:57 PM
kung nakapraning man, hayaan natin sino mapapraning.. he's got to live with it, hes making business in the place called the text capital in asia.
tayo ba pag nasa kanila, pwede kaya nating gawin ang ginagawa ni Tom sa kapwa nating musikero...?
Ex. nasa Germany ka, and you engage in big buy and sell business without paying tax to the gov't, you demand them to txt you for negotiations(baligtad ha), go to your place, come on this time for appoinment, you bad mouth many of those who are interested in your stuff, half naked you make deals . do you think its a nice scene to look at bros?
ang problema kasi pala kay Tom, parang JB o yupangco pala business nya e dapat mag apply na sya business permit at mag hire ng staff..
@ Royc, since you seem to be very close to Tom and theres nothing wrong with it. MAy I ask you these bro,
1. Since you can't test the stuff you are buying in a longer time because some other guys are coming, what does he do, if the stuff turns out to be defective? May warranty ba tulad sa music store?
2. is he paying taxes to the gov't?
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: slowhandpal on February 07, 2009, 09:41:58 PM
i met tom twice na. nung first time, naunahan ako ng other guy pumasok so i had to wait for them to finish negotiating. after 15 mins tumigil na sila sa pag test ng guitars because di na sila nagiingay and i heard raised voices. nung una mejo casual at superficial laughters then at some point, his front door opened and the seller came out carrying his guitars and uttered, "magulo kausap yan pare!" to my face and continued to storm out. Tom smiled and said "hehehehe he's crazy". Tom in my opinion is a negotiator. He may not be a professionally spoken business man but he is a good guitar salesman kasi thats his living here in manila and i dont think he napulot nya lang lahat ng good guitars nya. yun ang trabaho nya here and i can't really blame him if mambarat siya. he's not like us sa classifieds trying to sell our guitars just to buy a new guitar or some effects. yun talaga ang bread and butter nya dito. Otherwise he wouldn't be home halfnaked in the middle of the day! :-D
eto para sa akin ang good points at bad points ni tom:
good points: 1. hes got lotsa guitars! 2. hes got lotsa rare and excellent guitars! 3. hes got tons of amps and effects 4. he'll take any fender or gibson or any branded guitar off your hands for the price he sees fit(regardless if you like the price or not). unlike other buyers na 'dude wait lang ah ipon lang ako'. so if he likes your guitar he'll give you his price and sell it to you agad right then and there.
bad points 1. he deals half naked! 2. he has excessive body odor 3. he sells amps with scratchy pots :lol: 4. he sells guitars he bought for 4k for 14k. as in malakas siya magpatong. he wont sell a guitar unless he sells it for more than the price he got it. yun ang napansin ko talaga sakanya. 5. he doesnt do meet ups 6. he's really good at making you feel bad about your gear 7. he's not punctual din! he told me to come at 1. i came at 1 exacto. and he made me wait outside his door until 1:25. di man lang nya ako pinapasok. I haven't heard any 'fake' or 'knock-off' guitar stories about tom pero mukang authentic at satisfactory naman ang mga guitars na binebenta nya. A word of caution nalang. To those who will deal with him, talk to him on the phone muna and get your possible deal straight before going there. You should describe all the details of the item over the phone muna. That way, you'll know at what price you can get out of him para di na kayo mag aksaya ng time going there. I told him the price of the amp i sold him over the phone and when i went there to sell him the amp, we didn't have to beat around the bush to settle the deal anymore.
this is not pangsisira to tom in anyway. Im sure you guys know din what he's like and how he deals. just wanted to share my experiences. Tom is a cool guy din naman. If you sell him something cool and make him your friend he'll give you goodies din like pedals or other gear for free.
ano kaya mararamdaman o reaction ng mga germans pag ginawa to ng isang pilipino don sa kanilang bansa sa germany..
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: royc on February 07, 2009, 10:57:02 PM
Warranty? Nung bumili ako sa kanya 1st time ko sya mameet sabi nya puede ko daw ibalik kung may problema. Tax? Im sure you know that it is the buyer and not the seller who pays 12%vat.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: slowhandpal on February 08, 2009, 07:04:12 AM
Warranty? Nung bumili ako sa kanya 1st time ko sya mameet sabi nya puede ko daw ibalik kung may problema. Tax? Im sure you know that it is the buyer and not the seller who pays 12%vat.
bro good a.m, ibig po nyo ba sabihin, may kasama na 12% vat don pag may bumili kay Tom? di mas lalong dapat mag apply na sya business permit..mag hire sya sales agents, kasi ang alam ko pati jewelries,mobile phones, diamonds engaged din sya, so he can stop mishaving na..kasi you din naman nagbibigay picture kung gaano talaga kadami ang stuff ni Tom... parang JB o salonga na yan. sa post mo nga meron naiioffer si Tom na di pwede sa music store.
pag may business permit na sya ay may store solve na mga problema natin, he will be obliged to treat his clients as customers who are always right. and he will not only give anyone a word of warranty..
if ako kasing close mo kay Tom,
1. I will encourage him to stop misbehaving & remind him he's in our place, he should start respecting not only to few but everyone.
2. I will teach him how to post pics in the ads and how to text rightly, sayang madami pa naman sya ata mobile phones.
3. and I will let him know pinag uusapan sya dito sa forum so he can respond accordingly.
(Bro, may I clarify di ko sinasabi na di gaano maganda ginagawa mo, if ako lang nasa kalagayan mo yan ang gagawin ko). God bless you more
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: arkeetar on February 08, 2009, 10:57:42 AM
bro good a.m, ibig po nyo ba sabihin, may kasama na 12% vat don pag may bumili kay Tom? di mas lalong dapat mag apply na sya business permit..mag hire sya sales agents, kasi ang alam ko pati jewelries,mobile phones, diamonds engaged din sya, so he can stop mishaving na..kasi you din naman nagbibigay picture kung gaano talaga kadami ang stuff ni Tom... parang JB o salonga na yan. sa post mo nga meron naiioffer si Tom na di pwede sa music store.
pag may business permit na sya ay may store solve na mga problema natin, he will be obliged to treat his clients as customers who are always right. and he will not only give anyone a word of warranty..
if ako kasing close mo kay Tom,
1. I will encourage him to stop misbehaving & remind him he's in our place, he should start respecting not only to few but everyone.
2. I will teach him how to post pics in the ads and how to text rightly, sayang madami pa naman sya ata mobile phones.
3. and I will let him know pinag uusapan sya dito sa forum so he can respond accordingly.
(Bro, may I clarify di ko sinasabi na di gaano maganda ginagawa mo, if ako lang nasa kalagayan mo yan ang gagawin ko). God bless you more
customer is always right medyo may debate pa dyan pero yung iba... agree ako sa opinion mo
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: blackdogg on February 09, 2009, 12:45:02 AM
wow, parang may bagong discussion na naman about Tomas dun dito; http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,126184.0.html (http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,126184.0.html) :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: royc on February 09, 2009, 12:55:46 AM
1. Di pa inclusive ang 12% VAT sa binebenta ni tom (para lang yun sa VAT registered entities). OT na to pero para lang maintindihan ng iba.
Kung VAT registered si tom lahat ng bibilhin nya may additional 12% VAT. So kung ang ibebenta mo sa kanya ay 10k ang ibabayad nya ay 11.2k at ikaw ay required na iremit sa BIR ang 1.2k sa month end. Bat pati ikaw kailangan ng VAT? Dahil required ng BIR na ireveal ni tom kanino nya binili ang binebenta nya at magkano nya to nabili.
Kung magmamargin sya ng 2k ibebenta nya to ng 13.2k. Pero dahil VAT registered sya babayaran ito ng buyer ng 14.8k tapos ireremit nya sa bir ang 1.6k.
So kung titingnan natin kumita si tom ng 2k at kumita ang bir ng 2.8k.
Pag dumating ang time na sawa ka na at ibebenta ulit ang same item at the last buying price 14.8k na to plus vat magiging 16.6k. Using the same margin bebenta naman ni tom ng 18.6k.
Do you see the pattern? Kada benta ng gitara may patong na 12%. Di ko yata gusto nun.
2. Overpricing? He sells at market prices regardless of how much he buys them. That's business. Let's face it. The only reason you're selling it low to tom is because no one is buying it at the price you want at the time frame you are willing to wait. If you can sell it at market prices you will not go to tom. But it's been weeks and no one is buying so you sell it to tom at a low price, knowing that tom will sell it later at a higher price.
Why is it so? 'Coz you are in a hurry to sell while tom can afford to have it on stock for months until it is bought at the price he wants. If you can afford to wait that long then you don't need tom.
3. Misbehaving? Respect? If you don't like the way he conducts his business then don't patronize him. That goes for any business.
4. Teach him how to post pics? He is computer challenged and doesn't even understand what a web server means. Teach him how to text properly? I believe that is not included in the rules of philmusic and as such he is free to do so.
6. Let him know na pinag uusapan sya? What for?
My apologies for the rant but my personal opinion is as long as he doesn't violate philmusic rules he is free to conduct his business his own way. I believe his market are for those who cannot sell their items fast and for those who are looking for items not immediately available in philmusic.
Now if you believe he is violating certain philmusic rules then pm me and I will remind him. For now I will cease to comment further.
peace :-)
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: obetski on February 09, 2009, 01:50:23 AM
I went to his place some time ago, and yes, sobrang critical siya sa items mo, to the point that he will make you feel bad about your item, and that he will make his items look good. He contacted me about my Gibson SG, and said I should come over.
Okay naman siya, pero tip lang, wag kang papadala sa mga hirit niya, even if he says that by coming over and not buying/selling is just "wasting his time". He will say that, even if he's the one who will invite you over for a POSSIBLE deal, and nothing final. This is not a part of being a proper businessman, and contrary to how a businessman should be as one of you described what Tom is. (The "planning culture" thing) The plan is to check items for a possible deal. In fact, the time wasted is mine, and not his, as i came from four cities away, without him taking even a step out of his apartment. Also, professional businessmen deal with people well-dressed, or at least decently covered up, and not half naked. With these premises, I do not think Tom is a professional businessman. :x
Going in strong, but with feet of clay will not work. Once you are in his turf remember to be respectful, but nonetheless, very TOUGH as well. Yun lang, no need for adjustments, except maybe a little more respect and clothing on his part. :-D
this is a winner... hindi ko pa naka deal tong tom na to.. pero kung buyer/seller ako at haharap sya sa akin ng nakahubad.. KABASTUSAN agad ang impression ko.. after reading pages of this thread, I have no plan to go to his place and be humiliated.. few people commented about his bad business ethics., that is credible enough,, remember youre the client of his business and deserves a little respect
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: gitarakista27 on February 09, 2009, 07:40:11 AM
1. Di pa inclusive ang 12% VAT sa binebenta ni tom (para lang yun sa VAT registered entities). OT na to pero para lang maintindihan ng iba.
Kung VAT registered si tom lahat ng bibilhin nya may additional 12% VAT. So kung ang ibebenta mo sa kanya ay 10k ang ibabayad nya ay 11.2k at ikaw ay required na iremit sa BIR ang 1.2k sa month end. Bat pati ikaw kailangan ng VAT? Dahil required ng BIR na ireveal ni tom kanino nya binili ang binebenta nya at magkano nya to nabili.
Kung magmamargin sya ng 2k ibebenta nya to ng 13.2k. Pero dahil VAT registered sya babayaran ito ng buyer ng 14.8k tapos ireremit nya sa bir ang 1.6k.
So kung titingnan natin kumita si tom ng 2k at kumita ang bir ng 2.8k.
Pag dumating ang time na sawa ka na at ibebenta ulit ang same item at the last buying price 14.8k na to plus vat magiging 16.6k. Using the same margin bebenta naman ni tom ng 18.6k.
Do you see the pattern? Kada benta ng gitara may patong na 12%. Di ko yata gusto nun.
2. Overpricing? He sells at market prices regardless of how much he buys them. That's business. Let's face it. The only reason you're selling it low to tom is because no one is buying it at the price you want at the time frame you are willing to wait. If you can sell it at market prices you will not go to tom. But it's been weeks and no one is buying so you sell it to tom at a low price, knowing that tom will sell it later at a higher price.
Why is it so? 'Coz you are in a hurry to sell while tom can afford to have it on stock for months until it is bought at the price he wants. If you can afford to wait that long then you don't need tom.
3. Misbehaving? Respect? If you don't like the way he conducts his business then don't patronize him. That goes for any business.
4. Teach him how to post pics? He is computer challenged and doesn't even understand what a web server means. Teach him how to text properly? I believe that is not included in the rules of philmusic and as such he is free to do so.
6. Let him know na pinag uusapan sya? What for?
My apologies for the rant but my personal opinion is as long as he doesn't violate philmusic rules he is free to conduct his business his own way. I believe his market are for those who cannot sell their items fast and for those who are looking for items not immediately available in philmusic. Now if you believe he is violating certain philmusic rules then pm me and I will remind him. For now I will cease to comment further.
peace :-)
i agree with these statements.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: makaveli on February 09, 2009, 08:41:56 PM
cocomment ako sana pero baka may bilhin pa ako sakanya eh hehe
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: nathanmanansala on February 09, 2009, 08:58:46 PM
:lol: umabot pa ng 22 pages 'to?!?! (ay. dumagdag pa ako)
akala ko ba na-settle na from page 2 pa lang na "kung ayaw nyo, wag kayo dun bumili"?
ako magco-comment. wala akong bibilin sa kanya. i probably never will. i prefer stuff in better condish that he's offering kasi. but i will buy gear from other people who bought said gear from him. :-D :lol: :-D
di talaga mawawalan ng pumupunta sa kanya to buy gear. for the same reason meron pumupunta sa pier to look for gear: treasure hunting. except sa kanya, di na mura yung presyo. pero at least di mo na hahanapin. he does the treasure hunting for you. all you have to do is pay for it. one arm, one leg lang. and you'll get treated badly for it too. if you want the grand treatment, go to a legit music store and pay extra for said grand treatment. :lol:
my advice: if you have the cash to pay for tom's wares, then you have the cash to buy at market value. be patient. do your research. go online, buy online, have it shipped to someone you know who is in the same country as the item you're buying (kasi shipping is usually free that way). have it shipped home, or pasabay mo pag may umuwi. buy the "courier" lunch. makaktipid ka sa tax and init ng ulo. but, again, you have to be patient. people who buy from tom are usually people who dont have the patience to go online and buy online. or look sa ishibashi u-box. :lol:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: slowhandpal on February 10, 2009, 09:33:23 PM
1. Di pa inclusive ang 12% VAT sa binebenta ni tom (para lang yun sa VAT registered entities). OT na to pero para lang maintindihan ng iba.
Kung VAT registered si tom lahat ng bibilhin nya may additional 12% VAT. So kung ang ibebenta mo sa kanya ay 10k ang ibabayad nya ay 11.2k at ikaw ay required na iremit sa BIR ang 1.2k sa month end. Bat pati ikaw kailangan ng VAT? Dahil required ng BIR na ireveal ni tom kanino nya binili ang binebenta nya at magkano nya to nabili.
Kung magmamargin sya ng 2k ibebenta nya to ng 13.2k. Pero dahil VAT registered sya babayaran ito ng buyer ng 14.8k tapos ireremit nya sa bir ang 1.6k.
So kung titingnan natin kumita si tom ng 2k at kumita ang bir ng 2.8k.
Pag dumating ang time na sawa ka na at ibebenta ulit ang same item at the last buying price 14.8k na to plus vat magiging 16.6k. Using the same margin bebenta naman ni tom ng 18.6k.
Do you see the pattern? Kada benta ng gitara may patong na 12%. Di ko yata gusto nun.
( I see the pattern but I'm afraid you failed to consider depreciation.. pero alin ba ang gugustuhin natin napunta sa kanya lahat o meron sa kaban ng bayan..)
2. Overpricing? He sells at market prices regardless of how much he buys them. That's business. Let's face it. The only reason you're selling it low to tom is because no one is buying it at the price you want at the time frame you are willing to wait. If you can sell it at market prices you will not go to tom. But it's been weeks and no one is buying so you sell it to tom at a low price, knowing that tom will sell it later at a higher price.
(it's not the only reason and its not always true , there were instances that Tom backs out inspite of previous agreements, at binabarat na nga nang husto lalo na pag nasa place ka na nya, sa dami nagsabi nito, gumagawa lang ba estorya mga kapwa natin musikero?. Go figure, as mentioned on the previous page, he buys it at 4k and sells it at 14k,that'smore than 300 % exclusive of tax :-) if it aint overpricing, ano tawag natin don bro..)
Why is it so? 'Coz you are in a hurry to sell while tom can afford to have it on stock for months until it is bought at the price he wants. If you can afford to wait that long then you don't need tom.
3. Misbehaving? Respect? If you don't like the way he conducts his business then don't patronize him. That goes for any business.
(this is nice to hear if his business is legitimate, he invests less..yes I don't patronize him, at karamihan di na umulit pa) do we not deserve to be respected? what's so wrong with respect?
4. Teach him how to post pics? He is computer challenged and doesn't even understand what a web server means. Teach him how to text properly? I believe that is not included in the rules of philmusic and as such he is free to do so.
(the more he needs to have a staff to do it for him, kumuha na sya business permit so he can create jobs , parang JB o Salonga na sya di ba?.. but I doubt it very much e kayang kaya nya mag post bro.. tapos pag pics hindi? complicated ba masyado yan kaya hanggang ngayon di nya kaya? even my grade 2 neice has a friendster account, I don't think he is that dull..)
6. Let him know na pinag uusapan sya? What for?
So he can act accordingly, he can offer explanations.We'll get first hand informations on his side for each complaint against him.Well get answers from him and not from anyone
My apologies for the rant but my personal opinion is as long as he doesn't violate philmusic rules he is free to conduct his business his own way. I believe his market are for those who cannot sell their items fast and for those who are looking for items not immediately available in philmusic.
May I add, it is extended and focused on newbies or first timers
Now if you believe he is violating certain philmusic rules then pm me and I will remind him.
(moderators are taking care of that.. i believe)but you may remind him that he is in our place, he should study and respect our culture.
For now I will cease to comment further.
it's up to you bro but I hope i'm not the reason, pardon if you think I am but before you cease should you decide to, please confirm these bothering rumors if you can & if you want.
How true that many of his guitars are not entirely authentic except for the neck? I heard that a good Luthier is taking care of this..is this just a rumor?
peace :-)
thanks bro.no need to offer peace cause I am not waging a war with you :-) I am not even against his person but his traits, his character. pls don't be offended bro
:-)
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: turiguiliano on February 10, 2009, 09:46:45 PM
wait. he's not registered?
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: turiguiliano on February 10, 2009, 09:55:14 PM
He demands like crazy and yet won't buy your opinion.... :|
+1. and a good salesman knows how to listen. I have heard so many stories about this character. Thus, i only end up talking to him on the phone, only. For the past 4 years. Imagine that. Sure, he's got a lot of gear than most and people say they're nice. But again, i don't want to end up facing him and getting disappointed by experiencing what the others experienced.
my 2 cents: the way i do business, starts with the person's personality. I'm a stand up kind of guy. Well, I try to be. This is also the reason why i get recommended to a lot of forumites and artists all over the country.
Advice to those who want to deal with him. You've read this thread. You be the judge. If you already know/feel that he cannot give even close to what you want don't even bother contacting him. Having a hard time selling your gear, try other legal sources of income.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: slowhandpal on February 11, 2009, 05:22:13 AM
I really hate it when people don't know when to end an argument. You gave your opinion and I gave mine. End of story.
Why do you still want to drag my name when I already said I wouldn't comment any further? Be man enough to accept that everyone has his own opinion and you have to learn to accept it even if it contradicts your own. Even if you believe that you are correct and the other guy is wrong.
You already know that Tom is not registered. Why do you have to bait me into replying to a fact the everyone already knows?
Most of the sellers in buy and sell sites, print or online, are not registered. That's a fact. Don't make citizenship an excuse. Don't single out anyone just because he is not Filipino. I already explained why I don't like taxes to apply in philmusic transactions. I don't have to explain again.
And please support your accusations with facts. I'm referring to this:
How true that many of his guitars are not entirely authentic except for the neck? I heard that a good Luthier is taking care of this..is this just a rumor?
I know the original and correct story since it was told to me personally by tom. It wasn't Tom but some guys he know in another country. Just like any gossip, I believe the story was changed as it passed from one person to another. Tom's luthier is a well respected person in philmusic. He setups all guitars that Tom buys before it is offered for sale. Please don't drag him into this.
After reading your accusation I realized you're just someone desperate to get into a fight. I'm sorry but I don't go that low. Go pick on someone else. Get a life!
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: slowhandpal on February 11, 2009, 12:50:40 PM
You already know that Tom is not registered. Why do you have to bait me into replying to a fact the everyone already knows?
Cool down bro. :-) I am not a fisherman who baits fishes. I know he isn't but that was long ago. malay if kahapon nag apply na sya. akala ko nga nagbago na ugali si Tom e.
Most of the sellers in buy and sell sites, print or online, are not registered. That's a fact. Don't make citizenship an excuse. Don't single out anyone just because he is not Filipino. I already explained why I don't like taxes to apply in philmusic transactions. I don't have to explain again.
I am not trying to single him out because of citizenship. And don't try to compare him to most of us here because we are not of the same flatform. Most of us makes living through music (musicians & hobbyist because many have permanent employment), while him through musical instruments, mobile phones & jewelries.
And please support your accusations with facts. I'm referring to this:
How true that many of his guitars are not entirely authentic except for the neck? I heard that a good Luthier is taking care of this..is this just a rumor?
It's a rumor thats bothering many if not all. I am not accusing, that is why I was asking you how true the rumor is, you can just answer it a two or three letter word, or even say there's no truth in it, it's nothing but a rumor.
I know the original and correct story since it was told to me personally by tom. It wasn't Tom but some guys he know in another country. Just like any gossip, I believe the story was changed as it passed from one person to another. Tom's luthier is a well respected person in philmusic. He setups all guitars that Tom buys before it is offered for sale. Please don't drag him into this.
How do you know if it's the original and correct story when you only heard the side of Tom? sana nga si Tom na sumagot, kasi parang naha high blood ka bro pag may sinasabi tungkol kay Tom habang sya :wink: business as usual.
I could have named the luthier if I want to drag his name. I am not draging his name because he is well respected.it is you now making accusations. but one may just look for a Guitar technician if set up lang kailangan
After reading your accusation I realized you're just someone desperate to get into a fight. I'm sorry but I don't go that low. Go pick on someone else. Get a life!
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Desperate to get into a fight? You're joking, as if you are telling me we are not tired of the fighting in Mindanao, kaya nga nag migrate na kami dito sa Luzon e. you're mistaken bro..I'm sorry
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: kawal on February 11, 2009, 08:26:39 PM
"pero alin ba ang gugustuhin natin napunta sa kanya lahat o meron sa kaban ng bayan?" da best to! :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: ytse_neil on February 11, 2009, 11:11:41 PM
I really hate it when people don't know when to end an argument. You gave your opinion and I gave mine. End of story.
Why do you still want to drag my name when I already said I wouldn't comment any further? Be man enough to accept that everyone has his own opinion and you have to learn to accept it even if it contradicts your own. Even if you believe that you are correct and the other guy is wrong.
You already know that Tom is not registered. Why do you have to bait me into replying to a fact the everyone already knows?
Most of the sellers in buy and sell sites, print or online, are not registered. That's a fact. Don't make citizenship an excuse. Don't single out anyone just because he is not Filipino. I already explained why I don't like taxes to apply in philmusic transactions. I don't have to explain again.
And please support your accusations with facts. I'm referring to this:
How true that many of his guitars are not entirely authentic except for the neck? I heard that a good Luthier is taking care of this..is this just a rumor?
I know the original and correct story since it was told to me personally by tom. It wasn't Tom but some guys he know in another country. Just like any gossip, I believe the story was changed as it passed from one person to another. Tom's luthier is a well respected person in philmusic. He setups all guitars that Tom buys before it is offered for sale. Please don't drag him into this.
After reading your accusation I realized you're just someone desperate to get into a fight. I'm sorry but I don't go that low. Go pick on someone else. Get a life!
Sir royc may I know who's that luthier is?
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: gitarakista27 on February 12, 2009, 05:04:34 AM
i know this luthier. :lol:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: gitarakista27 on February 12, 2009, 05:36:57 AM
Grabe naman to ah.. Just found out something.
May guitar for sale sa classifieds dati. I saw it at Sulit.com.ph nung una and tracked it's owner down. The guitar was worth 15k. It was a certain type of strat. US neck, MIJ body(i know some may be familiar witht the guitar). I made a down payment of 5k for the guitar when the seller asked me to, but the we had a misunderstanding of when we would deal so he called it off and gave me money back(after a long undeserved goosechase if i may say so). A few days later i found out he sold the guitar already. And here it pops out in tom's ad with the seller's original pictures. It's for sale again at 23.5k. And it's labelled as
148) USA amStd-Strat faded nitro sunburst refin., highEnd PU's+ superTone black Guard as SRV+ white PU-caps givs a KillerLOOK+ refinish=super thin+stunnerLOOK too!! 23,5k nego. OR SWAP OFFERS!!
:x
USA american standard ba yun kapag nilagyan mo ng neck na US ang body na MIJ? If he can sell this to someone, sana naman he would explain that this ain't no authentic FENDER USA american standard. Since when did they make guitars na US neck and MIJ body. This is a player strat. Now if i know that he would try and sell something like this. Who knows kung ano history ng other guitars for sale nya. After knowing this my whole opinion about Tom changed. Parang tangap ko pa yun when i found out he got another strat that i wanted for 17k and i selling it for something bellow 30k pero etong "american standard strat" na to talaga nakakapagtaka eh. Tapos he wouldn't buy my contemporary strat dahil "HINDI authentic FENDER", because it lacks the "original contour body". Eh nung nireserch ko talagang hindi contour body ang contemporary strat. Wala ngang nakalagay na "original contour body" sa headstock like most strats. Binarat nya talaga ng tuluyan and said that my strat was PLYWOOD kahet na it's heavy as hell. And from my experiences plywood is a very light wood. I'm now concluding that Tom is just out for a fast buck. He knows about guitars but nagmamarunong siya about the stuff he doesn't know just to get your guitar in a dirty price then he'll sell it to someone and fooling them its worth more.
ingat nalang tayo guys.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: royc on February 12, 2009, 05:56:35 AM
May guitar for sale sa classifieds dati. I saw it at Sulit.com.ph nung una and tracked it's owner down. The guitar was worth 15k. It was a certain type of strat. US neck, MIJ body(i know some may be familiar witht the guitar). I made a down payment of 5k for the guitar when the seller asked me to, but the we had a misunderstanding of when we would deal so he called it off and gave me money back(after a long undeserved goosechase if i may say so). A few days later i found out he sold the guitar already. And here it pops out in tom's ad with the seller's original pictures. It's for sale again at 23.5k. And it's labelled as
148) USA amStd-Strat faded nitro sunburst refin., highEnd PU's+ superTone black Guard as SRV+ white PU-caps givs a KillerLOOK+ refinish=super thin+stunnerLOOK too!! 23,5k nego. OR SWAP OFFERS!!
Tom will talk to the seller to verify this info as well as open the guitar to check. In the meantime pics of #148 has been pulled out and the ad for it will either be removed or corrected when tom goes online later.
Thank you for notifying us we appreciate it.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: arkeetar on February 12, 2009, 10:23:26 AM
ok na rin na may thread na ganito, to inform others the situation they may get into... personal choice pa rin ng individual kung makipag deal or hindi pero kailangan din malaman yung experience ng both sides ng previous buyer/seller na nakadeal ni Tom...
May guitar for sale sa classifieds dati. I saw it at Sulit.com.ph nung una and tracked it's owner down. The guitar was worth 15k. It was a certain type of strat. US neck, MIJ body(i know some may be familiar witht the guitar). I made a down payment of 5k for the guitar when the seller asked me to, but the we had a misunderstanding of when we would deal so he called it off and gave me money back(after a long undeserved goosechase if i may say so). A few days later i found out he sold the guitar already. And here it pops out in tom's ad with the seller's original pictures. It's for sale again at 23.5k. And it's labelled as
:x
USA american standard ba yun kapag nilagyan mo ng neck na US ang body na MIJ? If he can sell this to someone, sana naman he would explain that this ain't no authentic FENDER USA american standard. Since when did they make guitars na US neck and MIJ body. This is a player strat. Now if i know that he would try and sell something like this. Who knows kung ano history ng other guitars for sale nya. After knowing this my whole opinion about Tom changed. Parang tangap ko pa yun when i found out he got another strat that i wanted for 17k and i selling it for something bellow 30k pero etong "american standard strat" na to talaga nakakapagtaka eh. Tapos he wouldn't buy my contemporary strat dahil "HINDI authentic FENDER", because it lacks the "original contour body". Eh nung nireserch ko talagang hindi contour body ang contemporary strat. Wala ngang nakalagay na "original contour body" sa headstock like most strats. Binarat nya talaga ng tuluyan and said that my strat was PLYWOOD kahet na it's heavy as hell. And from my experiences plywood is a very light wood. I'm now concluding that Tom is just out for a fast buck. He knows about guitars but nagmamarunong siya about the stuff he doesn't know just to get your guitar in a dirty price then he'll sell it to someone and fooling them its worth more.
ingat nalang tayo guys.
nakakabadtrip pag nalaman mo yung nabili mo ganyan
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: IncX on February 12, 2009, 10:43:05 AM
moral of the thread?
dealing with tom requires too much patience, self control and luck.
its his style of business, this thread popped out because of that, people are seeing it, and the result is that tom's not gonna have a better revenue compared to 2007.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: slowhandpal on February 12, 2009, 10:52:49 AM
May guitar for sale sa classifieds dati. I saw it at Sulit.com.ph nung una and tracked it's owner down. The guitar was worth 15k. It was a certain type of strat. US neck, MIJ body(i know some may be familiar witht the guitar). I made a down payment of 5k for the guitar when the seller asked me to, but the we had a misunderstanding of when we would deal so he called it off and gave me money back(after a long undeserved goosechase if i may say so). A few days later i found out he sold the guitar already. And here it pops out in tom's ad with the seller's original pictures. It's for sale again at 23.5k. And it's labelled as
:x
USA american standard ba yun kapag nilagyan mo ng neck na US ang body na MIJ? If he can sell this to someone, sana naman he would explain that this ain't no authentic FENDER USA american standard. Since when did they make guitars na US neck and MIJ body. This is a player strat. Now if i know that he would try and sell something like this. Who knows kung ano history ng other guitars for sale nya. After knowing this my whole opinion about Tom changed. Parang tangap ko pa yun when i found out he got another strat that i wanted for 17k and i selling it for something bellow 30k pero etong "american standard strat" na to talaga nakakapagtaka eh. Tapos he wouldn't buy my contemporary strat dahil "HINDI authentic FENDER", because it lacks the "original contour body". Eh nung nireserch ko talagang hindi contour body ang contemporary strat. Wala ngang nakalagay na "original contour body" sa headstock like most strats. Binarat nya talaga ng tuluyan and said that my strat was PLYWOOD kahet na it's heavy as hell. And from my experiences plywood is a very light wood. I'm now concluding that Tom is just out for a fast buck. He knows about guitars but nagmamarunong siya about the stuff he doesn't know just to get your guitar in a dirty price then he'll sell it to someone and fooling them its worth more.
ingat nalang tayo guys.
Surely it's not American standard :-). perhaps it's Tom's standard :|. I guess he should start thinking about changing his handle to PreyingTom. :| Sana nga MIJ nga yong body non e, wish ko lang.. :lol:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: ael_israel on February 12, 2009, 12:17:19 PM
hahhaha humaba parin pala toh, naku kung alam nyu lang ang kwento ko baka mabUrat kayu sa haba at grabeng kwento ko bout kay tom tom hehehe.... :wink:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: stompmoko on February 12, 2009, 02:44:28 PM
kwento mo na.. nandito na rin naman lahat eh 8-)
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: Poundcake on February 12, 2009, 02:53:31 PM
Tom will talk to the seller to verify this info as well as open the guitar to check. In the meantime pics of #148 has been pulled out and the ad for it will either be removed or corrected when tom goes online later.
Thank you for notifying us we appreciate it.
Tom is computer challenged, you said that time and again..why and who pulled it out (pics #148)? With all due respect , May I ask.. Bro what do you mean by "Thank you for notifying us we appreciate it. Pls don't get me wrong bro..so I'll be more cautious next time. :-)
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: royc on February 12, 2009, 05:43:58 PM
Tom is computer challenged, you said that time and again..why and who pulled it out (pics #148)? With all due respect , May I ask.. Bro what do you mean by "Thank you for notifying us we appreciate it. Pls don't get me wrong bro..so I'll be more cautious next time. :-)
Only the person who posted the message can delete it. All pics are posted by me while all ads are posted by him. So I was able to delete the pic but had to wait until tom logs in 'coz only he can edit the ad :-)
In business correspondence you usually say "us" instead of I when you represent the company. Since you have been clamoring that I talk to tom I did what you asked me when the issue came out. It wouldn't have been proper for me to say "I" since it was tom who was thankful for notifying him. But then I represent him since I am the one who posted the message. It is therefore correct for me to use "us" instead of "I". At least that's what I learned in high school :-)
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: ael_israel on February 12, 2009, 05:54:21 PM
Ay churi bossing BANDAMOD joke hahahah,na excite lang aku , kaya nakalimutan ko hahahah
anyway sa kwento naman sa german stud..ganito iyon.. 1984 squier E series strat mij ko to his squier korea daw ????????? the hell hahahah 1970 fresher straighter MIJ ko selling him for like 10grand lang,,6k daw niya kukunin,,,halerrrrrrrrr,,,he can sell the guitar sa europe for like 850-950 euros, kasi in demand ang freshers dun vintage item na kasi ,,,lalu na sa amsterdam ..alam ko nagbebenta din siya doon, kukuha siya dito ng mura tapos bebenta niya doon ng mahal,,,, tapos kukunin nya sa akin ng 6k???? hahahah nakakatawa di ba? ang baba na nga ng benta ko ilulubug pa ko..at first he was so interested sa guitar as in laging nagtetext and all,,,nung di kame nagkasundo ayun na,,sabi na made in korea daw...halerrrrr koreans wherent that active pa nung mga 60s and 70s in making guitars,,,thinking na freshers were mostly made from 1969?-end of 70s lang,,,made in korea daw..eh nakastamp sa back plate MADE IN JAPAN....korea niya mukha niya hahah,,o well di ko din binenta,,ginamit ko nalang sa ibang bagay,,eto lang,,,sa mga pips,,,,kung gustu niyo bumili sakanya choice niyo na yun,,pero reminders lang,,medyo rude siya,,lalu na pag lam niyang medyo may alam ka sa gitara or peds,,,tapos manlalait na ,,eh kung pahuli ko kaya siya sa tito ko na taga customs..at ipadeport hahaha,esep esep :wink:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: S.I.M.A on February 12, 2009, 07:26:15 PM
:-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: turiguiliano on February 12, 2009, 09:24:40 PM
dealing with tom requires too much patience, self control and luck.
its his style of business, this thread popped out because of that, people are seeing it, and the result is that tom's not gonna have a better revenue compared to 2007.
+1. is he still selling overseas? guitars/equipment that he bought here?
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: haey2 on February 12, 2009, 09:52:57 PM
tom have tried to message me a couple of times thru text and PM regading the items that i'm selling...
since ibang number, tatanong ko kung sino...isasagot nya, tawag daw ako sa landline...and i know his landline number...di ako tumatawag sa kanya, i dont want to deal with someone that with that kind of attitude...Ku&#L eh...! :x
there was one instance that he called my cellphone regarding an epi LP that i was selling,binabarat nya ng todo...i just said to him that, if you dont like my price...find another person that will sell you a piece of crap in that amount...wala ko panahon magpabola sa mga kwento at "vintage' items nya...
INGAT lang mga bro...there are other options in getting a good piece of gear... as for me, i dont want to deal with him even for a "guitar pick"...
8-) 8-) 8-)
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: bentoinks on February 12, 2009, 10:19:09 PM
hehehe i guess sorry tom, i wonder if hes read this thread, or even if he did, wonder if he understood what people say bout him :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: turiguiliano on February 12, 2009, 10:27:01 PM
tom have tried to message me a couple of times thru text and PM regading the items that i'm selling...
since ibang number, tatanong ko kung sino...isasagot nya, tawag daw ako sa landline...and i know his landline number...di ako tumatawag sa kanya, i dont want to deal with someone that with that kind of attitude...Ku&#L eh...! :x
there was one instance that he called my cellphone regarding an epi LP that i was selling,binabarat nya ng todo...i just said to him that, if you dont like my price...find another person that will sell you a piece of crap in that amount...wala ko panahon magpabola sa mga kwento at "vintage' items nya...
INGAT lang mga bro...there are other options in getting a good piece of gear... as for me, i dont want to deal with him even for a "guitar pick"...
8-) 8-) 8-)
+1 again
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: blackdogg on February 12, 2009, 11:12:52 PM
wala pa rin bang comment si Tom? :roll:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: slowhandpal on February 12, 2009, 11:14:50 PM
Only the person who posted the message can delete it. All pics are posted by me while all ads are posted by him. So I was able to delete the pic but had to wait until tom logs in 'coz only he can edit the ad :-) ( fair division of labor :-))
In business correspondence you usually say "us" instead of I when you represent the company. Since you have been clamoring that I talk to tom I did what you asked me when the issue came out. It wouldn't have been proper for me to say "I" since it was tom who was thankful for notifying him. But then I represent him since I am the one who posted the message. It is therefore correct for me to use "us" instead of "I". At least that's what I learned in high school :-)
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I didn't say you're mistaken in using " us.. " bro. I was wondering..You should have learned in high school how to read between the lines too. But alas you settled for something less.
Bro surely you are not representing a company because as everyone knows now, Tom is not registered and has no business permit. But you said you represent him since you are the one who posted the message, are there any other reasons bro?
I could see that you have a fair division of labor, and the way you talk and you presented him each time you defend tom, it looks like you're a sales person, even teaching us to learn into his style, and giving an impression that Toms offers more than the legitimate stores can. not to mention Tom came into picture again with you posting the photos because he is computer challenged. you eluded these questions asked before by two furomites, wala naman seguro masama if itatanong ko uli, dahil nagtataka ako si Tom deadma lang at ikaw naha high blood minsan. No vague answers this time pls, are you his business partner and his agent in commission basis bro ? there's nothing wrong naman e. sana nga you'll educate Tom at mahawa sya sa business ethics mo.. :-)
But before I forget, you did not answer why pics # 148 was pulled out in a hurry. gusto din sana namin makita yon e. binura mo ng mabilisan, bakit bro?
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: S.I.M.A on February 12, 2009, 11:32:33 PM
Solid tong' thread....very educational sa part ng mga viewers.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: blackdogg on February 12, 2009, 11:47:09 PM
Solid tong' thread....very educational sa part ng mga viewers.
i agree...educational, and sometimes amusing. :-D Just wondering why tom is just sitting thru all these questions, and i guess i'm sure he's read this..naka-lurker mode lang ata. :wink:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: slowhandpal on February 13, 2009, 05:25:28 AM
Tom will talk to the seller to verify this info as well as open the guitar to check. In the meantime pics of #148 has been pulled out and the ad for it will either be removed or corrected when tom goes online later.
Thank you for notifying us we appreciate it.
pls update us the result of the verification.. who knows this is the handiwork of the person in other country whom Tom was telling you. :wink:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: royc on February 13, 2009, 06:01:29 AM
@slowhandpal:
1. Yes you are correct. I am a sales person myself. Before that I was a technical person. Before that I am a co-founder of a startup ecommerce company. Before that I was a proprietor of my own software company. Even before that I worked for a foreign embassy where I learned to understand the difference in cultures. The list goes on and on. What else do you want to know?
2. I removed the pics because I don't like tom to sell something that is questionable. I will put back the pics after the issue has been corrected.
3. The word company does not always mean a registered commercial company. Since you may be too busy to find out its definition for yourself I googled one for you:
Simply stated your friends can be called your company.
4. I didn't post the message--I posted the pics. Perhaps you should try reading my post carefully before commenting.
My association with tom was born out of forumers' request for him to post pictures. I read that request on every ad he makes. If you read page 1 of this thread this was the reason toybitz created this thread. Here it is in case you forgot it:
I hope he'll start posting 'em guitar and amp collection that's either for sale or for keeps.
So when tom told me he has problems posting pics and was looking for someone who can do it for him I offered my services to him.
Why? I am a philmusic addict. I go to philmusic when I wake up in the morning, after office and before I go to bed. I even use my celfone to go to philmusic while waiting for client meetings to start. I help my friends find good stuff in philmusic. I am always looking for an alibi to visit philmusic.
I am also a quite interested in vintage gear. Sure I can google about them but a visit to tom's place is like going to a library or museum. You get to see what you can normally just read. And I get to keep the pictures too. It is like an educational tour!
Do I get compensated for all the trouble? I would be stupid if I don't accept one. Unlike friendster where even your niece can easily upload pics, in philmusic you have to upload pics somewhere else, copy the link, create a reply in philmusic and paste the link. You think that's it? No! You get an error message that makes you wonder if your post came through or not so you double check until you are sure that it did. I'm sure you know how many gears tom has for sale.
Is my compensation from tom enough? Honestly no. It's better to call it a tip. My salary is several times the minimum wage. The extra cash I get somewhere else are more than the minimum wage. If I compute the gas, time I spend to go to his place and update the pics vs my hourly rate the tip I get is not enough to cover it. Yes I'm a fool but I love posting the pics and looking at his guitars so I don't mind.
So why am I representing tom? 'Coz you don't have the guts to tell him yourself. I read what I believe is an important issue and relay it to him. Then I post his reply.
You see I love philmusic and I do what I can to help. I don't just sit back and complain. You are not aware of it but I am currently working with jim and chette to have the server transferred to our data center and hopefully improve the user experience. For free. You don't know who they are? Ask the mods :-)
So what have you done for philmusic lately?
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: bentoinks on February 13, 2009, 10:13:11 AM
last line reminded me of Wanted :-D he has a point tho
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: ael_israel on February 13, 2009, 11:51:15 AM
1. Yes you are correct. I am a sales person myself. Before that I was a technical person. Before that I am a co-founder of a startup ecommerce company. Before that I was a proprietor of my own software company. Even before that I worked for a foreign embassy where I learned to understand the difference in cultures. The list goes on and on. What else do you want to know?
2. I removed the pics because I don't like tom to sell something that is questionable. I will put back the pics after the issue has been corrected.
3. The word company does not always mean a registered commercial company. Since you may be too busy to find out its definition for yourself I googled one for you:
Simply stated your friends can be called your company.
4. I didn't post the message--I posted the pics. Perhaps you should try reading my post carefully before commenting.
My association with tom was born out of forumers' request for him to post pictures. I read that request on every ad he makes. If you read page 1 of this thread this was the reason toybitz created this thread. Here it is in case you forgot it:
I hope he'll start posting 'em guitar and amp collection that's either for sale or for keeps.
So when tom told me he has problems posting pics and was looking for someone who can do it for him I offered my services to him.
Why? I am a philmusic addict. I go to philmusic when I wake up in the morning, after office and before I go to bed. I even use my celfone to go to philmusic while waiting for client meetings to start. I help my friends find good stuff in philmusic. I am always looking for an alibi to visit philmusic.
I am also a quite interested in vintage gear. Sure I can google about them but a visit to tom's place is like going to a library or museum. You get to see what you can normally just read. And I get to keep the pictures too. It is like an educational tour!
Do I get compensated for all the trouble? I would be stupid if I don't accept one. Unlike friendster where even your niece can easily upload pics, in philmusic you have to upload pics somewhere else, copy the link, create a reply in philmusic and paste the link. You think that's it? No! You get an error message that makes you wonder if your post came through or not so you double check until you are sure that it did. I'm sure you know how many gears tom has for sale.
Is my compensation from tom enough? Honestly no. It's better to call it a tip. My salary is several times the minimum wage. The extra cash I get somewhere else are more than the minimum wage. If I compute the gas, time I spend to go to his place and update the pics vs my hourly rate the tip I get is not enough to cover it. Yes I'm a fool but I love posting the pics and looking at his guitars so I don't mind.
So why am I representing tom? 'Coz you don't have the guts to tell him yourself. I read what I believe is an important issue and relay it to him. Then I post his reply.
You see I love philmusic and I do what I can to help. I don't just sit back and complain. You are not aware of it but I am currently working with jim and chette to have the server transferred to our data center and hopefully improve the user experience. For free. You don't know who they are? Ask the mods :-)
So what have you done for philmusic lately?
Hi sir,, i guess the question here is what have "tom" done to "us" lately, i mean,,yes we visit this site almost everyday and we get upset once we saw errors on our monitor, pero the real question here is(especialy to this thread) Freedomtom,,how he do his so called strategic business , how he treats his/her customers, how he performs in "manipulating"(sorry sa term pero yun ang naisip kong appropriate eh)people just to get or should i say makalamang lang siya sa deal, pano ko nasabi ito? cause we made deals na,,the problem with that lang is that hindi kame nagkasundo sa price and all,,and masama pa dun,,he would make lait lait to you pa,,,evidence? read page 1-to this page and you will see madaming nababadtrip,, and i dont question your relationship with tom, labas naku doon, and the answer to your question,, :wink:
So what have you done for philmusic lately?--nagpopost ng mga natutunan sa pakikipagdeal kay tom good or bad man siya at least people will know how he do business...... :roll: pero wait diba ang definition ng business is "A business ( is a legally recognized organization designed to provide goods and/or services to consumers."? :roll: :lol:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: maniacally_cool on February 13, 2009, 12:55:55 PM
for me,
there really is no "big deal" difference in dealing with tom compared with dealing with other buy and sellers. nagiging interesting topic lang ito maybe because mostly high end ung items niya and, if i may add, yung issue re sa citizenship niya (which i won't tackle anymore)
ive been in his pad a couple of times. room filled with amps, guitars, pedals, a sofa set. i thought, if i were tom, andami ko na sanang na-popost sa philmusic, livebands, ebay, bidshot, etc. si tom kasi nung time na yun, sa Buy&Sell paper ads lang. i would have offered to help him to sell his items using the internet but i still don't have enough means. so siguro, its the same with sir royc. im sure most of us will agree that it's a different pleasure for a gearhead to handle such items even just by holding, testing or even just by taking photos of them. syempre, for the part of the owner of the items, that would be a big help, so normal lang na every now and then may tip yung tumulong sa kanya. inggit nga ko e. hehehe :lol:
as for his items. napagusapan na rin naman yung issue of authenticity. if somebody's selling an item claiming it as something else, a prospective buyer can either fall for the trap or decline. sinabi kong "trap" kasi may ibang sellers na aware and nanlalamang ng buyers. but there are also those who commit honest mistakes in which a buyer can also infom and guide the seller. though it boils down to the responsibility of the seller and buyer to research about a certain item before(and even after) transactions. si tom, hindi masyadong "a-n-a-l" re sa condition ng items. siguro as long as may worth ung item, ok sa kanya. that might also be a reason kung bakit di masyadong detailed ang mga post niya. meron rin kasing buyer na pag gusto ang isang item, kahit anong cosmetic condition basta functional, bibilhin.
on pricing. syempre business niya na ang pag buy&sell. main goal is to acquire at the lowest possible price and sell significantly higher. ganun lahat, sa palengke, sa dept store etc. so, most people nagsasabing "ang mahal mahal niya magbenta ng items na ang baba niya namang nakuha". like sa Classifieds, it's the sellers right to sell his items sa price na gusto niya. now, si tom, he has this luxury kasi hindi naman siya nagmamadaling madispose items niya. unlike ng iba sa atin na pag nagipit, kahit palugi, ibibigay. so before dealing with anyone, make sure that both sides agree on the transaction details, specifically sa price, before pursuing. di ko lang alam if applicable to dun sa ibang mga nakausap ni tom. strategy na siguro yung pag lait niya sa items ng seller. i mean, its the same as tv commercials: "brand X, mas matagal matunaw kesa brand Y", that sort of stuff. i don't know, di ko naman kasi siguro didibdibin if laitin ng kung sino items ko. :-D
on taxes (!?!!?!?) i still dont get it if bakit napagusapan to dito sa thread. if yung tax dahil sa pag-stay dito sa pinas baka pede pa. but tax dahil sa pagba-buy and sell :?
business ethics, i remembered when we were testing some effects, it was summer. tom was topless, candidly saying "im sweatin lika a buffalo". and no, i didnt bother knowing if he has BO. :-D
i would really like to go back to his place (if im financially capable). its been a while since ive been planning on visiting tom again. he might have something im looking for
napahaba na ata reply ko. hehehe. antagal na kasing usapan to, nagkataon na ala kong ginagawa. okay naman makipagdeal kay tom. problem ko lang pag pumupunta ako sa kanya, nauubusan ako ng english. :lol:
bottom line is: sa buy and sell, wala namang pilitan. like the song goes...... kung ayaw mo, huwag mo.
:wink:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: bentoinks on February 13, 2009, 05:38:49 PM
whats up with everyone coming up with essay rebuttals :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: Poundcake on February 13, 2009, 05:53:55 PM
Tom will talk to the seller to verify this info as well as open the guitar to check. In the meantime pics of #148 has been pulled out and the ad for it will either be removed or corrected when tom goes online later.
Thank you for notifying us we appreciate it.
pm sent.
i don' think maganda if i disclose any more information here.
eto YM ko..
ym=daleywan
we can talk there. total naman wala din laman ang friend list ko dun kaya wala ako ibang kausap. :lol:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: TT BOY on February 13, 2009, 07:36:36 PM
i received a text yesterday that freedomtom is a "scammer"...nagbebenta daw sya ng mga guitar na orig daw ang headstock lang at local na body? "naku?" paktay.....nag iipon pa naman ako para bilin yung rickenbacker nya....ngayon parang nagbago na isip ko ngayon nabasa ko tong thread na to...........TOTOO BA?
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: royc on February 13, 2009, 08:13:33 PM
i received a text yesterday that freedomtom is a "scammer"...nagbebenta daw sya ng mga guitar na orig daw ang headstock lang at local na body? "naku?" paktay.....nag iipon pa naman ako para bilin yung rickenbacker nya....ngayon parang nagbago na isip ko ngayon nabasa ko tong thread na to...........TOTOO BA?
nasa yo yan kung kanino ka maniniwala :D
matagal na nabenta yung rick nya na natural ang andun na lang yung rick copy na blue :-)
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: gitarakista27 on February 13, 2009, 08:21:20 PM
Surely it's not American standard :-). perhaps it's Tom's standard :|. I guess he should start thinking about changing his handle to PreyingTom. :| Sana nga MIJ nga yong body non e, wish ko lang.. :lol:
just an observation:
i dont think tom would price an american standard for 23.5k unless he knew na that it wasn't 100% US. :-D. If the guitar was all US made and makinis just like that, im guessing hindi bababa sa 35 or 40k ang pag price nya dun. :lol: So i do think he had an idea about it if not totally knew about it. Im kinda skeptical to the idea that the detail of the guitar having an MIJ body just "slipped his mind"
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: slowhandpal on February 13, 2009, 09:02:13 PM
Only the person who posted the message can delete it. All pics are posted by me while all ads are posted by him. So I was able to delete the pic but had to wait until tom logs in 'coz only he can edit the ad :-)
In business correspondence you usually say "us" instead of I when you represent the company. Since you have been clamoring that I talk to tom I did what you asked me when the issue came out. It wouldn't have been proper for me to say "I" since it was tom who was thankful for notifying him. But then I represent him since I am the one who posted the message. It is therefore correct for me to use "us" instead of "I". At least that's what I learned in high school :-)
I'm sorry bro if mali ang basa ko that you are the one who posted the message..I thank you for what you've done to Philmusic. pero pakibasa na rin kaya ulit bro.. :-)
Just got home from Makati, wanna spend a little time with my baby muna & eat some, dahil baka mali na naman basa o pagkakaintindi ko. Tom was so thankful, baka sa yo, I don't see him as a grateful individual.. Ano naman ipagpasalamat nya sa amin..
Thanks a lot for your love to Philmusic, I hope you'll have some too to our fellow musicians who swears never again to deal with an opportunist.
since you were asking me if I have something more to ask, yes I have a few. May I have your friends full name so i can verify tomorrow at the Immigration if his stay here in the Philippines is legal, never mind the illegitimate business.
I envy the way you handle things bro.. I don't mind if you'll become tom's look alike sooner or later wag lang mahawaan ka sa ugali nya.. :-)
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: slowhandpal on February 13, 2009, 09:26:12 PM
i agree...educational, and sometimes amusing. :-D Just wondering why tom is just sitting thru all these questions, and i guess i'm sure he's read this..naka-lurker mode lang ata. :wink:
Tom is well represented I guess..
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: ytse_neil on February 13, 2009, 10:02:15 PM
i received a text yesterday that freedomtom is a "scammer"...nagbebenta daw sya ng mga guitar na orig daw ang headstock lang at local na body? "naku?" paktay.....nag iipon pa naman ako para bilin yung rickenbacker nya....ngayon parang nagbago na isip ko ngayon nabasa ko tong thread na to...........TOTOO BA?
ha????totoo ba to?kaya pala......tsk tsk...buset naman!!!
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: Phil on February 13, 2009, 11:07:03 PM
Tom will talk to the seller to verify this info as well as open the guitar to check. In the meantime pics of #148 has been pulled out and the ad for it will either be removed or corrected when tom goes online later.
Thank you for notifying us we appreciate it.
Good morning bro, may I know the result of the verification made..I don't think the process will take that long. Di naman DNA test yan o autopsy na kailangan pa ng Pathologist for usual review & confirmation before he signs the result. Ang alam ko screw driver lang kailangan, and of course honesty. Screwdrivers i know he have many, honesty i'm not sure if has any.. :-)
please tell us yon bang binebentang Fender U.S standard na strat ni preyDOMTom posted with pic # 148 which you pulled out, MIJ nga ba ang body non? :-)
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: slowhandpal on February 14, 2009, 08:22:05 AM
So why am I representing tom? 'Coz you don't have the guts to tell him yourself. I read what I believe is an important issue and relay it to him. Then I post his reply.
I'm afraid this is too much of a presumption, convince him to go on line(with web cam), set a date, specific time one day ahead.so everyone will know if your presumption is correct bro.. for those fellow musicians who needs an interpreter, you can have my services for free, no worries 4 times ako bumagsak sa english kaya madami ako natutunan in the end..joke lang po :-) :lol:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: TT BOY on February 14, 2009, 08:23:04 AM
matagal na nabenta yung rick nya na natural ang andun na lang yung rick copy na blue :-)
uu nga :-D . . . kung walang papaloko..walang manloloko...nasa mga buyer na lang yan..ingatz na lang..kilatis muna at tanong tanong bago bumili...IMHO..peace
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: ytse_neil on February 14, 2009, 08:42:52 AM
uu nga :-D . . . kung walang papaloko..walang manloloko...nasa mga buyer na lang yan..ingatz na lang..kilatis muna at tanong tanong bago bumili...IMHO..peace
wala naman takutan sir..hehehe.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: kadyubaldo on February 14, 2009, 09:58:23 AM
I was planning to buy a Gibson LP from him naman. Since there are many testimonies from fellow forumites, I have my second thoughts already. He he he, good that I did not force myself to buy that Gibby even if the price suddenly jumped then when I inquired from him.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: royc on February 14, 2009, 10:26:55 AM
@slowhandpal:
sir ngayon ko napatunayan di mo talaga binabasa at iniintindi ang mga post. masyado ka atat na mag reply :-)
kung inintindi mo ang post ko sabi ko iko correct ni tom ang post pag online nya. sana ang ginawa mo tiningnan mo ang ad nya para malaman ano ba ang ginawa nyang action sa complaint bago mo ginawa yang reply mo.
eto na ako na ang kumopya para sa yo:
148) USA amStd-Strat faded nitro sunburst refin.,US-PU's+ superTone black Guard as SRV+ white PU-caps givs a KillerLOOK+ refinish=super thin Nitro!+stunnerLOOK too!!Make SWAP OFFERS!! the body Must I must open to Check!!! our Doc will check it up! didnt hav time for that,yet!!! PU's are amStd!!+ Neck Too! I guess its really '57 ri Jap. Vintage,but not sure before I take a look into it myself!! will post here more soon,when we know more on Routings,etc! + will ask PreOwner again too! then post Price again+selfMade PICS!! thnx for THE FAST INFORMATION,Dale!!! C U soon!T.
eto din ang link baka kasi sabihin mo papahirapan pa kita hanapin yung ad:
I'm afraid this is too much of a presumption, convince him to go on line(with web cam), set a date, specific time one day ahead.so everyone will know if your presumption is correct bro.. for those fellow musicians who needs an interpreter, you can have my services for free, no worries 4 times ako bumagsak sa english kaya madami ako natutunan in the end..joke lang po :-) :lol:
bwahaha natawa ko dito ah komedyante ka pala. ano to senate investigation :D
like i said sa earlier reply ko nakapost na sa ad ni tom ang initial findings nya kaya no need na mag explain pa ko sya na mismo ang sumagot sa tanong mo :-)
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: royc on February 14, 2009, 10:51:39 AM
I was planning to buy a Gibson LP from him naman. Since there are many testimonies from fellow forumites, I have my second thoughts already. He he he, good that I did not force myself to buy that Gibby even if the price suddenly jumped then when I inquired from him.
eto lang masasabi ko sir. kahit ka kanino ka bibili ng gibson dapat ka mag ingat at dapat alam mo pano tumingin ng orig or hindi. pag di ka sigurado magpasama ka sa marunong.
ano ang masasabi ko kay tom?
1. alam mo saan sya nakatira. kung peke ang nabili mo alam mo saan puede ibalik. hindi sya yung nakikipagmit lang sa mall na pagkatapos di mo na alam saan hahabulin ang ka deal mo. may landline sya hindi prepaid celfone lang na madali itapon pag may iniiwasan.
2. except sa mga tsismis at sa nangyari sa #148 wala pa akong ibang nabasang complaint tungkol sa authenticity ng gitara nya.
3. napatunayan natin sa nangyari sa #148 na kung may proof ka na nagkamali sya willing sya i korek ang sarili nya.
4. pag makikipag deal ka sa kanya isipin mo nasa tyangge ka. ang tawaran sa tyangge kalahati agad ng selling price tapos nego pataas. yung seller pilit iha-highlight ang good points at yung buyer hahanapan ng bad points. ganun talaga.
yun lang isipin mo kay tom. walang personalan yan at accepted ang ganung tawaran. tinuturo din yan sa negotiation techniques sa guthrie-jensen kaya hindi ako nagtataka na ganun si tom.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: fongvodka on February 14, 2009, 04:04:06 PM
Sir royc,thanks for posting pics. if second hand and beyond na ang gitara,think and inspect twice talaga and dont believe everything the seller says. buy brand new if its peace of mind youre after and if you need warranty. Change the thread title or lock this thread.PEACE.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: peabrain12789 on February 14, 2009, 04:57:34 PM
you know...
i envy him dahil sa dami nyang gears...
but...
there's too much question sakin kung bakit ganun karami ang gears nya (is he a billionaire or smuggler or what)(dont get it wrong)
baaah... i'm too lazy para basahin ang 24 pages na thread about him...
what i'm pointing out? this freedomtom guy should reply here... (just for the sake of clarification)
naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh.....
why just there's no peace on earth.....
haha...
ignore..
i'm just day'dreamin
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: gitarakista27 on February 14, 2009, 09:43:40 PM
there's too much question sakin kung bakit ganun karami ang gears nya (is he a billionaire or smuggler or what)(dont get it wrong) baaah... i'm too lazy para basahin ang 24 pages na thread about him...
what i'm pointing out? this freedomtom guy should reply here... (just for the sake of clarification)
naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh.....
why just there's no peace on earth.....
haha...
ignore..
i'm just day'dreamin
he's a businessman nga. we've been discussing about his ethics, tactics, badhabits, etc for the past few pages. and i heard he has a bigger shop sa europe and he sells bigger and badder axes and amps there. :lol: If ganto ang gear nya dito, who knows what kind of guitars he has there. :?
sir ngayon ko napatunayan di mo talaga binabasa at iniintindi ang mga post. masyado ka atat na mag reply :-)
kung inintindi mo ang post ko sabi ko iko correct ni tom ang post pag online nya. sana ang ginawa mo tiningnan mo ang ad nya para malaman ano ba ang ginawa nyang action sa complaint bago mo ginawa yang reply mo.
eto na ako na ang kumopya para sa yo:
148) USA amStd-Strat faded nitro sunburst refin.,US-PU's+ superTone black Guard as SRV+ white PU-caps givs a KillerLOOK+ refinish=super thin Nitro!+stunnerLOOK too!!Make SWAP OFFERS!! the body Must I must open to Check!!! our Doc will check it up! didnt hav time for that,yet!!! PU's are amStd!!+ Neck Too! I guess its really '57 ri Jap. Vintage,but not sure before I take a look into it myself!! will post here more soon,when we know more on Routings,etc! + will ask PreOwner again too! then post Price again+selfMade PICS!! thnx for THE FAST INFORMATION,Dale!!! C U soon!T.
eto din ang link baka kasi sabihin mo papahirapan pa kita hanapin yung ad:
I know the previous owner and i was offered the guitar before tom bought it. I have an email of the guitar's specs, and the original pics(same pics na ginamit na pinost ni royc). I spoke with the previous owner before and told me in all the details about the guitar. I also have the link of the seller's old ad here sa philmusic. The original ad for the guitar with the lower price before tom bought it from him. the sulit.com.ph ad is somehow missing. :?
anyway, tom has retracted the item and tinitignan pa niya ang guitar. i'm expecting the price will go down somehow because of this. :lol:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: slowhandpal on February 14, 2009, 10:48:32 PM
bwahaha natawa ko dito ah komedyante ka pala. ano to senate investigation :D
:lol: well web cam is needed because we know he is well represented by you. ano ba malay namin if ikaw ang sumasagot instead of him..senate investigation? hehe you're kidding bro.. :-)
like i said sa earlier reply ko nakapost na sa ad ni tom ang initial findings nya kaya no need na mag explain pa ko sya na mismo ang sumagot sa tanong mo :-)
well for those who didn't care to open Toms ads anymore, reply is needed here.. ano pa ba titingnan namin don e dali dali mo ng pinul out ang pic #148? kakawalang gana na.. May mga kapwa tayong musikero bro, dina pinapansin si Tom at yong iba nga kahit pick, ayaw magbenta sa kanya. Dito ka kasi nagsabi sa Guitar Central na bine verify ng business partner mo, tapos ang sagot andon sa classified ads.. you can represent Tom naman being business partners, bakit di mo sagutin dito ng malinaw? :lol: para sa mga nagsusubaybay araw araw dito bro.e ano ba naman kung may sagot ka rin dito bro?
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: slowhandpal on February 14, 2009, 11:01:38 PM
eto lang masasabi ko sir. kahit ka kanino ka bibili ng gibson dapat ka mag ingat at dapat alam mo pano tumingin ng orig or hindi. pag di ka sigurado magpasama ka sa marunong.
I agree, Tama at dapat lang. Buhat daw nong 2001 may mga Greco LPs na na ginagawang Gibson, mahal ang presyo nyan. Baka tsismis lang..
ano ang masasabi ko kay tom?
2. except sa mga tsismis at sa nangyari sa #148 wala pa akong ibang nabasang complaint tungkol sa authenticity ng gitara nya.
You called it tsismis bro? sus ginoo ko..
3. napatunayan natin sa nangyari sa #148 na kung may proof ka na nagkamali sya willing sya i korek ang sarili nya.
Kung wala na ngang lusot at buking na nga, ano pa ba pwedeng gawin? I don't think his willing at all, I think the right word is he was forced to admit because there's no way out. we know Tom's character...
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: slowhandpal on February 14, 2009, 11:37:17 PM
he's a businessman nga. we've been discussing about his ethics, tactics, badhabits, etc for the past few pages. and i heard he has a bigger shop sa europe and he sells bigger and badder axes and amps there. :lol: If ganto ang gear nya dito, who knows what kind of guitars he has there. :? somehow missing. :?
anyway, tom has retracted the item and tinitignan pa niya ang guitar. i'm expecting the price will go down somehow because of this. :lol:
Oo nga pala baka akala malilimutan ko.. ano po full name ng friend mo bro royc? pag mag verify kasi sa Immigration hinahanap pala ito, o sagutin mo na lang pero dito po sa Guitar Central ha wag po sa ads, kalimutan muna natin pansamantala ang sales. kasi madami ng di nagbubukas don. legal po ba ang pananatili ni Tom dito sa Pinas? If busy kayo, yes or no lang po, ayos na.. naiintindihan na namin yan..
pakiisipin mo din kahit minsan mga kababayan nating parang mga tuta sa ibang bansa dahil TNT at kahit naman ang mga hindi TNT, very polite at respectfull talaga as in, tapos dito sa atin, merong mapagsamantala,sobrang abusado at magulang na banyaga.. di ba dapat pantay pantay ang tao sa mundo?
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: S.I.M.A on February 15, 2009, 12:45:32 AM
This beats watching TV.....Shame on those who are guilty.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: turiguiliano on February 15, 2009, 01:06:28 AM
Oo nga pala baka akala malilimutan ko.. ano po full name ng friend mo bro royc? pag mag verify kasi sa Immigration hinahanap pala ito, o sagutin mo na lang pero dito po sa Guitar Central ha wag po sa ads, kalimutan muna natin pansamantala ang sales. kasi madami ng di nagbubukas don. legal po ba ang pananatili ni Tom dito sa Pinas? If busy kayo, yes or no lang po, ayos na.. naiintindihan na namin yan
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: hiskoolstudes on February 15, 2009, 02:47:24 AM
i've done a couple of deals with tom, i've bought japanese made basses and 1 amp. so far the deals were ok for me. the basses needed some work and i had someone worked on them. i'm satisfied with the basses and the amp, i believe i have good deals naman. here are some comments opinions i have on certain items that were already discussed
buying from Tom - his prices tend to be high, though i've seen on some cases, may makukuha ka pa din na relavitely lower price yung sakanya compared sa ibang items dito. However the price is still ok for me. I can't find similar items on the market or tamad lang ako. for my convenience i would just buy his item. he'll definitely try to sell his products take time to listen and ask questions. since baguhan ako, di ko alam na reissue ang ibig sabihin ng RI, so i asked him about it... tapos tinanong ko what's the difference between those 2 identical basses and he'll point it out.
selling to Tom - so far i haven't sold my items pero i've done trades. sa tingin ko conmensurate naman yung mga traded items ko. i traded an effects unit for a discount sa isang bass, i traded a smaller wattage amp for some discount on his higher wattage amp. sa mga tindahan di ka pwdeng magkipag trade and i don't have time to sell the items, so in one part convenient sa akin
taxes - ewan ko kung anong tax ang hinahanap nung mga forumers dito, i hate tax and any kind of tax, pero isa lang masasabi ko, kung yung tax na yun ay mapupunta lang sa mga tao sa gobyerno ay wag na lang!
tom's manner of texting - ganun talaga eh, naiintidihan ko pa naman so ok lang sa akin. pag di ko naintindihan tatawagan ko na lang sa at my convenient time. I think this is a lost form of communication sa pilipinas. yes texting is ok. pero kung di kayo mag kaintindihan ng kausap mo better call. You have an option to call his cellphone or landline para makatipid ka. in my experience, in general, mas madali pa din makipagusap sa fone.
to deal in his place - i guess this is everyone's prerogative. If you're buying definitely ikaw ang pupunta dun, if you're selling, you have a say kung ayaw mo pumunta dun or what. why would you feel trapped? dahil sayang sa pamasahe, sayang pagod, sayang yung pagpunta? so para din sayang ibebenta mo pa din at a price na di ka agree? dapat wag ganun ang pagiisip mo. firm ka dapat. set your own limitations on the deals, this is the lowest i'll go lista mo sa palad mo, pag yung price nya is mas mababa sa na-set mo, sabihin mo na "no-can do". pag pumayag ka sa ayaw mo ikaw din ang kawawa, tapos baka mag rant ka dito sa philmusic :-D. Try to set din his expectations, sabihin mo na "this is not a guaranteed closed deal until we say it's close, don't expect that i'll leave my item with you, not until we agree". Ganun din pag bibili ka... i heard you have this item, can i take a look at it and check if it's for me. TIp: bago ka pumunta sa place nya make sure to talk to him on the phone
dealing without his shirt on - first off, mainit sa place nya, so hinde naman sya bare chested for the reason na trip nya yun. he turns on electric fans for visitors. I don't see anything bad with this (at least sa opinion ko ah). Yes he's a business man and he has customers, pero he's not dealing stocks and bonds here, he's not dealing life insurance or cars. He's into musical instruments, tools for rocking out! (rocking out does not give him a reason to be dealing without his shirt on, pero at least it lowers the expectations of dressing up around 10 notches)
on posting pictures - believe me he's really not that good with computers. he's an old geezer. i tried to walk the guy tru posting pictures himself and didn't work. hayyy... (@slowhandpal: there's no point in comparing him with a grade 2 student, kids nowadays tend to be very inquistive when it comes to technology).
yun lang i hope i added value to this thread. Anyway i've been reading one book that says " treat people on based how they treat you and not based on what you hear about them treating other people" or something to that effect.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: raikidoodles on February 15, 2009, 05:06:10 AM
I hope this thread will serve as a warning for everyone. People who are not aware of his bizarre marketing strategy are fortunate to be aware now and lucky to have the idea on what to expect from this guy.
Eto mga boys, icebreaker masyado na tayo mainit eh . . .
Eto mga reklamo natin kay Tom
1. Maangas! (Low Gain) - Iismolin nya yung gear na binebenta mo as if naman na mas hi end yun ipapalit nya. Iismolin nya yan hanggang sa maramdaman mo na siya na lang at wala ng ibang tao sa mundo ang may interes na bumili ng gear mo.
(Sasabihin nila: "may choices ka", "eh di wag mo na itext at sa iba mo na ibenta")
2. Baratan Galore! - Kung magbebenta ka naman babaratin nya masyado. May reklamo din before na kahit nagkasundo na kayo sa presyo pagdating mo sa place nya eh babaratin ka pa rin nya hanggang sa mapilitan ka na ibenta sa presyo. Kung pwede nga lang na ibigay mo na lang yang binebenta mo at ikaw pa ang magbayad sa binigay mong gear ay malamang na ginawa na nya.
(Sasabihin nila: "may choices ka", eh di wag mo ibenta at umalis ka sa place nya)
3. Maangas! (Hi Gain) - "Yung una ipaparamdam nya sa 'yo na balewala yung gamit mo at ang susunod eh ipaparamdam naman nya na balewala ka, Sabi pa nya "I am receiving 300 text messages a day, I am so busy, no time to deal with your cheap gear! If you want to deal with me call me . . . " Grabe no? Ipaparamdam nya na kailangan mo sya kaya dapat ikaw ang sumunod sa sasabihin nya, hindi mo nga matatawag na deal yun kasi lahat opinion nya, lahat set-up nya, lahat sya, sya magsasabi at ikaw naman tatango ka lang. One sided masyado . . . Kung may godfather sa bentahan ng musical gear sigurado ko si Tom 'yun At kapag umayaw ka sa gusto nya . . hay naku Low Baller ang itatawag n'ya sa 'yo.
(Sasabihin nila: "may choices ka", eh di wag ka makipag-deal, one sided pala eh)
4. He will eat you if you are weak - May nagshare sa kin ng experience nya kay tom, masyado kasi mabait ang tao na nagkwento nito, kung titingnan mo sya mukhang inosente ang itsura nya. Benta sya gamit, nagkasundo sa presyo, pagdating sa place ni tom binabarat pa uli yun gear nya, eh taga Laguna daw sya, para lang hindi na sya mapagod na iuwi yung dala nya eh napilitan na syang ibigay sa presyong gusto ni tom. Paguwi nya ng bahay talagang galit na galit sya kay Tom kasi wala naman reason para baratin pa yun gear nya dahil sobrang baba na ng napagkasunduan nila. Feeling niya niloko talaga sya.
(Sasabihin nila: "may choice ka", eh di iuwi mo na lang 'yung gamit mo kahit mabigat)
Tama sila may choice tayo . . .
Ganito 'yun, negosyante si Tom, sa tingin nya effective yung style nya kaya hindi nya babaguhin 'yung style na 'yun. He is earning money through that strategy. Hangga't hindi sya natututo hindi sya magbabago.
And again may choice tayo . . .
Naisip ko lang PWEDE NAMAN PALA IBOYCOTT SI TOM!
Tama 'yun na lang ang pwede nating gawin sa kanya. That is the best thing that we can do . . . Kapag wala ng bumibili sa kanya baka magbago na ugali nya!
On this day we established a new group here in Philmusic!
BOYCOTT PREYDOM TOM MOVEMENT!
To all members please spread this thread!
Basta ako di ko na kakausapin 'tong taong ito! At choice ko 'yun!
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: lovecore on February 15, 2009, 05:59:31 AM
i've done a couple of deals with tom, i've bought japanese made basses and 1 amp. so far the deals were ok for me. the basses needed some work and i had someone worked on them. i'm satisfied with the basses and the amp, i believe i have good deals naman. here are some comments opinions i have on certain items that were already discussed
buying from Tom - his prices tend to be high, though i've seen on some cases, may makukuha ka pa din na relavitely lower price yung sakanya compared sa ibang items dito. However the price is still ok for me. I can't find similar items on the market or tamad lang ako. for my convenience i would just buy his item. he'll definitely try to sell his products take time to listen and ask questions. since baguhan ako, di ko alam na reissue ang ibig sabihin ng RI, so i asked him about it... tapos tinanong ko what's the difference between those 2 identical basses and he'll point it out.
selling to Tom - so far i haven't sold my items pero i've done trades. sa tingin ko conmensurate naman yung mga traded items ko. i traded an effects unit for a discount sa isang bass, i traded a smaller wattage amp for some discount on his higher wattage amp. sa mga tindahan di ka pwdeng magkipag trade and i don't have time to sell the items, so in one part convenient sa akin
taxes - ewan ko kung anong tax ang hinahanap nung mga forumers dito, i hate tax and any kind of tax, pero isa lang masasabi ko, kung yung tax na yun ay mapupunta lang sa mga tao sa gobyerno ay wag na lang!
tom's manner of texting - ganun talaga eh, naiintidihan ko pa naman so ok lang sa akin. pag di ko naintindihan tatawagan ko na lang sa at my convenient time. I think this is a lost form of communication sa pilipinas. yes texting is ok. pero kung di kayo mag kaintindihan ng kausap mo better call. You have an option to call his cellphone or landline para makatipid ka. in my experience, in general, mas madali pa din makipagusap sa fone.
to deal in his place - i guess this is everyone's prerogative. If you're buying definitely ikaw ang pupunta dun, if you're selling, you have a say kung ayaw mo pumunta dun or what. why would you feel trapped? dahil sayang sa pamasahe, sayang pagod, sayang yung pagpunta? so para din sayang ibebenta mo pa din at a price na di ka agree? dapat wag ganun ang pagiisip mo. firm ka dapat. set your own limitations on the deals, this is the lowest i'll go lista mo sa palad mo, pag yung price nya is mas mababa sa na-set mo, sabihin mo na "no-can do". pag pumayag ka sa ayaw mo ikaw din ang kawawa, tapos baka mag rant ka dito sa philmusic :-D. Try to set din his expectations, sabihin mo na "this is not a guaranteed closed deal until we say it's close, don't expect that i'll leave my item with you, not until we agree". Ganun din pag bibili ka... i heard you have this item, can i take a look at it and check if it's for me. TIp: bago ka pumunta sa place nya make sure to talk to him on the phone
dealing without his shirt on - first off, mainit sa place nya, so hinde naman sya bare chested for the reason na trip nya yun. he turns on electric fans for visitors. I don't see anything bad with this (at least sa opinion ko ah). Yes he's a business man and he has customers, pero he's not dealing stocks and bonds here, he's not dealing life insurance or cars. He's into musical instruments, tools for rocking out! (rocking out does not give him a reason to be dealing without his shirt on, pero at least it lowers the expectations of dressing up around 10 notches)
on posting pictures - believe me he's really not that good with computers. he's an old geezer. i tried to walk the guy tru posting pictures himself and didn't work. hayyy... (@slowhandpal: there's no point in comparing him with a grade 2 student, kids nowadays tend to be very inquistive when it comes to technology).
yun lang i hope i added value to this thread. Anyway i've been reading one book that says " treat people on based how they treat you and not based on what you hear about them treating other people" or something to that effect.
+1 well said, bro.
I honestly don't like everything I hear about how he does business and all. I've talked to him twice and I was taken aback by his style but that's how he is. I hate it but in the end, that's how he is so it's best that I just "decide" not to sell my stuff to him or possibly just go to him to buy (which I don't plan on anyway).
My point is, as much as I don't like all the stories, I don't see the point why we have to bash him even to the very specific points of taxes, registration, etc just because he deals like an a$s to most. Would we be "nicer" to him if he texted clearly in straight english, dealt with us with a suit, gave us awesome discounts, or bought our items at our asking price? Would we then try to find every fault we could find about the guy? I guess not.
Thing is, as mentioned countless times on the thread, we have a choice. If we don't like how he deals, then we move on. Just like if we hate a certain service of a music store, we move on and look for better ones in another mall or even another city. We don't hang out in front of the store and find any fault that we can just to prove a point that their service sucks.
Bastos sya kung bastos. I've heard na bastos din daw ang mga tindera sa Hongkong so kanya kanya lang yan. Let's just move on and daydream about some of the "nicer" pieces uploaded in his FS threads. I don't look at them to look for something interesting to buy but to look for the sake of looking and that's the only business he's getting from me.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: slowhandpal on February 15, 2009, 08:27:08 AM
I hope this thread will serve as a warning for everyone. People who are not aware of his bizarre marketing strategy are fortunate to be aware now and lucky to have the idea on what to expect from this guy.
Eto mga boys, icebreaker masyado na tayo mainit eh . . .
Eto mga reklamo natin kay Tom
1. Maangas! (Low Gain) - Iismolin nya yung gear na binebenta mo as if naman na mas hi end yun ipapalit nya. Iismolin nya yan hanggang sa maramdaman mo na siya na lang at wala ng ibang tao sa mundo ang may interes na bumili ng gear mo.
(Sasabihin nila: "may choices ka", "eh di wag mo na itext at sa iba mo na ibenta")
2. Baratan Galore! - Kung magbebenta ka naman babaratin nya masyado. May reklamo din before na kahit nagkasundo na kayo sa presyo pagdating mo sa place nya eh babaratin ka pa rin nya hanggang sa mapilitan ka na ibenta sa presyo. Kung pwede nga lang na ibigay mo na lang yang binebenta mo at ikaw pa ang magbayad sa binigay mong gear ay malamang na ginawa na nya.
(Sasabihin nila: "may choices ka", eh di wag mo ibenta at umalis ka sa place nya)
3. Maangas! (Hi Gain) - "Yung una ipaparamdam nya sa 'yo na balewala yung gamit mo at ang susunod eh ipaparamdam naman nya na balewala ka, Sabi pa nya "I am receiving 300 text messages a day, I am so busy, no time to deal with your cheap gear! If you want to deal with me call me . . . " Grabe no? Ipaparamdam nya na kailangan mo sya kaya dapat ikaw ang sumunod sa sasabihin nya, hindi mo nga matatawag na deal yun kasi lahat opinion nya, lahat set-up nya, lahat sya, sya magsasabi at ikaw naman tatango ka lang. One sided masyado . . . Kung may godfather sa bentahan ng musical gear sigurado ko si Tom 'yun At kapag umayaw ka sa gusto nya . . hay naku Low Baller ang itatawag n'ya sa 'yo.
(Sasabihin nila: "may choices ka", eh di wag ka makipag-deal, one sided pala eh)
4. He will eat you if you are weak - May nagshare sa kin ng experience nya kay tom, masyado kasi mabait ang tao na nagkwento nito, kung titingnan mo sya mukhang inosente ang itsura nya. Benta sya gamit, nagkasundo sa presyo, pagdating sa place ni tom binabarat pa uli yun gear nya, eh taga Laguna daw sya, para lang hindi na sya mapagod na iuwi yung dala nya eh napilitan na syang ibigay sa presyong gusto ni tom. Paguwi nya ng bahay talagang galit na galit sya kay Tom kasi wala naman reason para baratin pa yun gear nya dahil sobrang baba na ng napagkasunduan nila. Feeling niya niloko talaga sya.
(Sasabihin nila: "may choice ka", eh di iuwi mo na lang 'yung gamit mo kahit mabigat) :lol: I love you bro! :wink: i envy your memory, I wish I remember the name of our fellow musician, kawawa talaga ang pobreng musikerong pinoy na ere.. super malas dahil, bitbit ang fender Tweed amp nya sa apartment ni Tom, binitbit as in, dahil walang elevator, brown out ata o may maintenance ginagawa, pagdating sa 9th floor ba? seguro parang holen na pawis nya, gusto bayaran na lang ni Tom 5k plus? e gustuhin man nyang wag na ituloy (may choice nga naman) e di na kasya pamasahe nya dahil nag taxi sya papunta don. kung alam nga lang daw nya binili nya na lang ng bigas yong pinamasahe nya. tsk.tsk.
Tama sila may choice tayo . . .
Ganito 'yun, negosyante si Tom, sa tingin nya effective yung style nya kaya hindi nya babaguhin 'yung style na 'yun. He is earning money through that strategy. Hangga't hindi sya natututo hindi sya magbabago.
And again may choice tayo . . .
Naisip ko lang PWEDE NAMAN PALA IBOYCOTT SI TOM!
Tama 'yun na lang ang pwede nating gawin sa kanya. That is the best thing that we can do . . . Kapag wala ng bumibili sa kanya baka magbago na ugali nya!
On this day we established a new group here in Philmusic!
BOYCOTT PREYDOM TOM MOVEMENT!
To all members please spread this thread!
Basta ako di ko na kakausapin 'tong taong ito! At choice ko 'yun!
sa mga nabiktima ni Tom, please support this excellent idea! btw bro, matagal na namin ginawa to, lalo na kaibigan ko, di nya pinapansin si PreyDOMTom after he learned that most of his vintage collections, binenbenta sa Europe ng kamahalmahal. Tom tried again his trick last year, tinatawaran ang Beatle Hofner ng 150 to $ 200, of course ang lumang style na inaakala nyang di pa buking, "you still have that?it's not vintage 60s but 70s..."(not sure of the exact price pero grabeng baba talaga, and may I say it'snot the exact words pero yon ang thought) calling commissioners, paki advice naman palitan na ang bulok na taktika ni PreyDoM Tom
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: slowhandpal on February 15, 2009, 09:32:50 AM
1. alam mo saan sya nakatira. kung peke ang nabili mo alam mo saan puede ibalik. hindi sya yung nakikipagmit lang sa mall na pagkatapos di mo na alam saan hahabulin ang ka deal mo. may landline sya hindi prepaid celfone lang na madali itapon pag may iniiwasan.
So nice to hear this bro.. kung ikaw lang sana si Tom,ok to. pero sa mga nakaka alam na sa ugali ni Tom paano? ganon nga lang ba ka simple? Mahirap sya kausap, kung yong iba sa cell phone pa lang ayaw na tumawag ulit, at sa mga nagpunta na, ayaw na din umulit, for the same reason.. honestly sinasabi mo ba ngayon na sure ka papayag si Tom ibalik ang item?
Alam ko na alam mo din may advantages ang meet ups sa mall, I can't blame you for citing only one side of the coin because of your relation to him.
Mall meet ups advantages over going to the lions den (Toms apartment)(hehe :-) joke, cause I'm really a joker
1. Pareho kayong nag exert ng time and effort deciding which place & what time. kaya, chances of sealing the deal is highly probable. one can't just back out.
di tulad pag sa apartment ng boss mo, andon lang sya, very relax, he can attend other business alone like the mobile phones & jewelries, (or perhaps with you minsan pag musical items), see.. di man matuloy ang deal sa guitar, sa mobile phone at jewelries may deal pa rin sya, habang tayo ay kami pala, maghihintay ng appointment nya at minsan kailangan pang mag undertime, absent or cancel plans. at paano nga pag dala dala ng seller item nya na napakabigat, talo na sa effort, time and money, kaya may mga napilitan na lang masakit loob kesa papasanin mo uli AMp mo pauwi.
2. It's a neutral ground. with people around that may testify should misunderstanding happens.
pag sa apartment ng friend mo, di ka pwede makipagsabayan sa boses nya dahil, private place yon, di nyo naman ata declared na store yan sa Local Government. see! he can charge you trespassing cause it's not a public property or place.
pwede tayo ay kami palang mapahiya if sakali may napansin syang small items na na miss place nya at kami mapagbentangan. isang tawag nya lang yon sa guard di ba? Of course when one is innocent no problem, pero sobrang abala na at yong mga nakakita lang sa yo pag sinisita ka na ng guard, iisipin negative
Land line? O come on, if palayaw nga lang alam mo sa tao, it does not make any guarranty. I t holds no water. Ano problema if prepaid cp kung katiwatiwala naman ang tao at di nang lalamang sa kapwa. di naman lahat pwedeng mag post paid dahil sa requirement di ba? :-)
Pakidagdagan mo to bro, ilagay mo muna sarili mo sa side namin, not as Toms partner. :-)
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: gitarakista27 on February 15, 2009, 10:21:08 AM
4. He will eat you if you are weak - May nagshare sa kin ng experience nya kay tom, masyado kasi mabait ang tao na nagkwento nito, kung titingnan mo sya mukhang inosente ang itsura nya. Benta sya gamit, nagkasundo sa presyo, pagdating sa place ni tom binabarat pa uli yun gear nya, eh taga Laguna daw sya, para lang hindi na sya mapagod na iuwi yung dala nya eh napilitan na syang ibigay sa presyong gusto ni tom. Paguwi nya ng bahay talagang galit na galit sya kay Tom kasi wala naman reason para baratin pa yun gear nya dahil sobrang baba na ng napagkasunduan nila. Feeling niya niloko talaga sya.
i think hindi din 'naloko' ang friend mo. if your friend didn't really want to sell his guitar or his gear, sana di nalang nya binenta at the price tom wanted because that would mean it was his choice and not toms. so he agreed willfully to it, kahet alam nya na hindi tama yung deal, he just sold it because malayo pinanggalingan nya. he was clear of all the terms and consequences and he still said 'yes'. so i think hindi siya niloko ni tom. after all the talk here, we should just be aware that tom will do anything in his power to degrade your gear. next time nalang your friend should expect that.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: gitarakista27 on February 15, 2009, 11:44:43 AM
I hope this thread will serve as a warning for everyone. People who are not aware of his bizarre marketing strategy are fortunate to be aware now and lucky to have the idea on what to expect from this guy.
Eto mga boys, icebreaker masyado na tayo mainit eh . . .
Eto mga reklamo natin kay Tom
1. Maangas! (Low Gain) - Iismolin nya yung gear na binebenta mo as if naman na mas hi end yun ipapalit nya. Iismolin nya yan hanggang sa maramdaman mo na siya na lang at wala ng ibang tao sa mundo ang may interes na bumili ng gear mo.
(Sasabihin nila: "may choices ka", "eh di wag mo na itext at sa iba mo na ibenta")
2. Baratan Galore! - Kung magbebenta ka naman babaratin nya masyado. May reklamo din before na kahit nagkasundo na kayo sa presyo pagdating mo sa place nya eh babaratin ka pa rin nya hanggang sa mapilitan ka na ibenta sa presyo. Kung pwede nga lang na ibigay mo na lang yang binebenta mo at ikaw pa ang magbayad sa binigay mong gear ay malamang na ginawa na nya.
(Sasabihin nila: "may choices ka", eh di wag mo ibenta at umalis ka sa place nya)
3. Maangas! (Hi Gain) - "Yung una ipaparamdam nya sa 'yo na balewala yung gamit mo at ang susunod eh ipaparamdam naman nya na balewala ka, Sabi pa nya "I am receiving 300 text messages a day, I am so busy, no time to deal with your cheap gear! If you want to deal with me call me . . . " Grabe no? Ipaparamdam nya na kailangan mo sya kaya dapat ikaw ang sumunod sa sasabihin nya, hindi mo nga matatawag na deal yun kasi lahat opinion nya, lahat set-up nya, lahat sya, sya magsasabi at ikaw naman tatango ka lang. One sided masyado . . . Kung may godfather sa bentahan ng musical gear sigurado ko si Tom 'yun At kapag umayaw ka sa gusto nya . . hay naku Low Baller ang itatawag n'ya sa 'yo.
(Sasabihin nila: "may choices ka", eh di wag ka makipag-deal, one sided pala eh)
4. He will eat you if you are weak - May nagshare sa kin ng experience nya kay tom, masyado kasi mabait ang tao na nagkwento nito, kung titingnan mo sya mukhang inosente ang itsura nya. Benta sya gamit, nagkasundo sa presyo, pagdating sa place ni tom binabarat pa uli yun gear nya, eh taga Laguna daw sya, para lang hindi na sya mapagod na iuwi yung dala nya eh napilitan na syang ibigay sa presyong gusto ni tom. Paguwi nya ng bahay talagang galit na galit sya kay Tom kasi wala naman reason para baratin pa yun gear nya dahil sobrang baba na ng napagkasunduan nila. Feeling niya niloko talaga sya.
(Sasabihin nila: "may choice ka", eh di iuwi mo na lang 'yung gamit mo kahit mabigat)
Tama sila may choice tayo . . .
Ganito 'yun, negosyante si Tom, sa tingin nya effective yung style nya kaya hindi nya babaguhin 'yung style na 'yun. He is earning money through that strategy. Hangga't hindi sya natututo hindi sya magbabago.
And again may choice tayo . . .
Naisip ko lang PWEDE NAMAN PALA IBOYCOTT SI TOM!
Tama 'yun na lang ang pwede nating gawin sa kanya. That is the best thing that we can do . . . Kapag wala ng bumibili sa kanya baka magbago na ugali nya!
On this day we established a new group here in Philmusic!
BOYCOTT PREYDOM TOM MOVEMENT!
To all members please spread this thread!
Basta ako di ko na kakausapin 'tong taong ito! At choice ko 'yun!
agreed :lol:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: bentoinks on February 15, 2009, 01:58:19 PM
I hope this thread will serve as a warning for everyone. People who are not aware of his bizarre marketing strategy are fortunate to be aware now and lucky to have the idea on what to expect from this guy.
Eto mga boys, icebreaker masyado na tayo mainit eh . . .
Eto mga reklamo natin kay Tom
1. Maangas! (Low Gain) - Iismolin nya yung gear na binebenta mo as if naman na mas hi end yun ipapalit nya. Iismolin nya yan hanggang sa maramdaman mo na siya na lang at wala ng ibang tao sa mundo ang may interes na bumili ng gear mo.
(Sasabihin nila: "may choices ka", "eh di wag mo na itext at sa iba mo na ibenta")
2. Baratan Galore! - Kung magbebenta ka naman babaratin nya masyado. May reklamo din before na kahit nagkasundo na kayo sa presyo pagdating mo sa place nya eh babaratin ka pa rin nya hanggang sa mapilitan ka na ibenta sa presyo. Kung pwede nga lang na ibigay mo na lang yang binebenta mo at ikaw pa ang magbayad sa binigay mong gear ay malamang na ginawa na nya.
(Sasabihin nila: "may choices ka", eh di wag mo ibenta at umalis ka sa place nya)
3. Maangas! (Hi Gain) - "Yung una ipaparamdam nya sa 'yo na balewala yung gamit mo at ang susunod eh ipaparamdam naman nya na balewala ka, Sabi pa nya "I am receiving 300 text messages a day, I am so busy, no time to deal with your cheap gear! If you want to deal with me call me . . . " Grabe no? Ipaparamdam nya na kailangan mo sya kaya dapat ikaw ang sumunod sa sasabihin nya, hindi mo nga matatawag na deal yun kasi lahat opinion nya, lahat set-up nya, lahat sya, sya magsasabi at ikaw naman tatango ka lang. One sided masyado . . . Kung may godfather sa bentahan ng musical gear sigurado ko si Tom 'yun At kapag umayaw ka sa gusto nya . . hay naku Low Baller ang itatawag n'ya sa 'yo.
(Sasabihin nila: "may choices ka", eh di wag ka makipag-deal, one sided pala eh)
4. He will eat you if you are weak - May nagshare sa kin ng experience nya kay tom, masyado kasi mabait ang tao na nagkwento nito, kung titingnan mo sya mukhang inosente ang itsura nya. Benta sya gamit, nagkasundo sa presyo, pagdating sa place ni tom binabarat pa uli yun gear nya, eh taga Laguna daw sya, para lang hindi na sya mapagod na iuwi yung dala nya eh napilitan na syang ibigay sa presyong gusto ni tom. Paguwi nya ng bahay talagang galit na galit sya kay Tom kasi wala naman reason para baratin pa yun gear nya dahil sobrang baba na ng napagkasunduan nila. Feeling niya niloko talaga sya.
(Sasabihin nila: "may choice ka", eh di iuwi mo na lang 'yung gamit mo kahit mabigat)
Tama sila may choice tayo . . .
Ganito 'yun, negosyante si Tom, sa tingin nya effective yung style nya kaya hindi nya babaguhin 'yung style na 'yun. He is earning money through that strategy. Hangga't hindi sya natututo hindi sya magbabago.
And again may choice tayo . . .
Naisip ko lang PWEDE NAMAN PALA IBOYCOTT SI TOM!
Tama 'yun na lang ang pwede nating gawin sa kanya. That is the best thing that we can do . . . Kapag wala ng bumibili sa kanya baka magbago na ugali nya!
On this day we established a new group here in Philmusic!
BOYCOTT PREYDOM TOM MOVEMENT!
To all members please spread this thread!
Basta ako di ko na kakausapin 'tong taong ito! At choice ko 'yun!
agreed :lol:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: markv on February 16, 2009, 04:08:42 AM
I nominate this for thread of the year 2009! :lol:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: makaveli on February 16, 2009, 10:48:49 AM
iba parin ang filipino ka deal mabait at edukado
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: ghostalker on February 16, 2009, 10:53:57 AM
not all man. hanapin mo thread ni deltaslim. I don't think this has anything to do with race or culture. Kahit saang bansa may mahahanap kang magulo kausap. sa pilipinas lang, napakarami.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: makaveli on February 16, 2009, 11:08:30 AM
any reviews about his 'original '71 stratocaster the olympic white one he's selling for 4500 dollars ?? is it authentic
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: arkeetar on February 16, 2009, 11:11:29 AM
wala bang pics ni freedomtom d'yan? baka may nagpa-pics after ng deal? from a satisfied customer :lol:
joke joke :lol:
wag na sana palalalain... kung gusto, gusto. pag ayaw, ayaw talaga... magsama na lang para hindi mahulog sa patibong, sama n'yo nanay o tatay n'yo
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: makaveli on February 16, 2009, 11:34:36 AM
i had no problem with him in fact sabi niya kung ayaw ko items niya if i go sa place niya ok lang daw no problem and no i dont find his prices high infact i find them low like the gibson 77 its like 100k+ in ebay hes salling for 78k not bad medyo madaldal lang siya hehe
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: makaveli on February 16, 2009, 11:36:32 AM
naka lagay ba yung serial numbers sa fender in neck at sa body ? yung 71 strat niya na white orig ba yun?
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: raikidoodles on February 16, 2009, 12:36:18 PM
up for
BOYCOTT PREYDOM TOM MOVEMENT
Guys I will try to create a social network for this movement ala friendster .. . .
pwede sigurong name is ANTI_TOMster
hahahah . . . add n'yo ko ha!
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: makaveli on February 16, 2009, 02:25:51 PM
i just talked to him awhile ago regarding the 71 strat he seems to be a very nice person to talk to he pledge like as he was treating me as a kid in saying that price is last .. we all have our thoughts
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: kawal on February 16, 2009, 03:18:43 PM
wag na sigurong gawing sobrang complicated ang topic na ito. kung namamahalan sa tinda nya, kung naangasan sa kanya, kung minamaliit nya yung gamit nyo, kung ayaw ng nakahubad kapag humaharap sa tao, etc..etc.., EH DI WAG MAKIPAG-DEAL SA KANYA.
well, maliban nalang kung tipong basic necessity ang binebenta nya, parang tubig or kuryente, tapos monopolized pa nya ito. eh kaso... hindi naman eh.
yan ang opinyon ko.
(belated happy valentines sa inyong lahat. love and world peace na mga tol.) 8-)
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: lovecore on February 16, 2009, 07:22:21 PM
wag na sigurong gawing sobrang complicated ang topic na ito. kung namamahalan sa tinda nya, kung naangasan sa kanya, kung minamaliit nya yung gamit nyo, kung ayaw ng nakahubad kapag humaharap sa tao, etc..etc.., EH DI WAG MAKIPAG-DEAL SA KANYA.
well, maliban nalang kung tipong basic necessity ang binebenta nya, parang tubig or kuryente, tapos monopolized pa nya ito. eh kaso... hindi naman eh.
yan ang opinyon ko.
(belated happy valentines sa inyong lahat. love and world peace na mga tol.) 8-)
tama! +1 sa mga post natin! hehe nag Febfair ka ba? hehe
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: kawal on February 16, 2009, 08:16:14 PM
^hindi brad eh. wala na siguro hahatak saken dun sa grounds sa tagal ko nang hindi nakakadalaw. natawa naman ako -> alam natin ang difference ng "febfair" sa "UP fair" geographically. :lol:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: chad evans on February 16, 2009, 08:23:01 PM
i guess it depends kung sino ka-deal niya i mean pag-nakita niya na kaya niyang makuha sa "gulang" syempre he will go for it nag-pakita ka ng weakness eh...based sa mga nag-bigay ng kanilang experience nung makita ni Tom na "matigas" sila wala namang nagawa si Tom
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: karlwilson on February 16, 2009, 08:47:15 PM
i've been in the buy and sell biz of guitars and drums even before Philmusic ever existed..yung tipong Buy and Sell Magazine pa lang tinignan ko sa section 505 Musical Instruments section..and i have a 5ft + file stack of that magazines!just to know kung meron bagong murang gitara na binebenta at una akong makabili!at yung panahon na 7k to 8k lang ang bentahan ng mga lawsuit long tenon Lp's...like Tokai love rock,greco..orville..at hindi ko pa pinapansin nun ang maga tele!at strat!kasi more on tusok at floyded pa hilig ko nun!he.he.kaya mura ko lang bebnebenta ang mga Lp at strat nun pag Ibanez,Yamaha yan ang medyo mahal!he.he.yan hinanahanap sakin ng mga clients ko e..but little by little nalaman ko na mas luma mas mahal! and for straight 5years of buy and selling ng guitars at drum items naging success naman ang buy and sell biz ko those years past..selling for about 300+ guitars and 20+sets of drumset mostly branded not including cymbals,piccolos and other pedal stuffs...until i met this guy Mr.Tom the German from the heart of CCP!we met when buy my 60's Fender Twin Amp at merely 14thou but my price is 22thou..dapat hindi sa kanya ko dadalhin ang twin reverb kasi may buyer pa akong isa na pinoy na sure 22k bibilhin..but i decide na kay tom dalhin kasi amaayos kausap at mukhang mabait pero not what ive expected...by dollars kung magbawas sya ng price kung bibili cya..example kung may punit tolex minus$$,,kung magkaiba tubes,,minus dollars$$$...wala nako magawa kasi ive rent a van just to deliver the twin to him!i sell him fender champ12 all tube he buy at messly 2.2k or 3.2k..kasama ko pa pinsan ko nun at forum fanatic na dito sa pm..wala ka na magagawa kasi ang layo pa ng pinangalingan mo at para bitbitin mo pa ulet pauwi ang napabigat ng amp!!madali cya kausap pag dipa kayo magkaharap pero once magkaharap na kayo ayan ang tunay malalaman m9 na pagkatao nya..siguro this days nagbago na sya kasi madami na nagrereklano sa kanya..kaya instinct wise magpakabait na sya"Ive learned my lessons in a tragic way...at just think this mga sir ..yung mga vintage stuff na dapat tayo ang nagmamayari or rather nandito pa sana sa pinas at someday mahawakan din ng mga future musician natin maybe mga anak natin e napapunta sa ibang bansa dahil dun nya binenbenta ang mga ito..well,siguro hindi na ngayon..kasi inaads nya na rin sa pm e...yung mga nagsasabi na mabait sya at matino naman ka-deal e nito na lang sya ganun mga ser..fyi,,.I have nothing against Tom what im saying is what he is!PEACE.. to my old friends sa buy and selling JIE of nueva ecija,,Dan utoy taba aka Dan Sparta,Jerry of Angeles Pampanga,Jon Nerry of Paranaque,Darrell Oregeorge,,you might not know me as Karlwilson but i know you mga ser!at naging maganda ang bawat deal natin mapa Luge man o mapa Tubo man sa deal..he.he.Salamat sa inyo mga sir! PEACE..out..
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: slowhandpal on February 16, 2009, 11:32:58 PM
i just talked to him awhile ago regarding the 71 strat he seems to be a very nice person to talk to he pledge like as he was treating me as a kid in saying that price is last .. we all have our thoughts
well,perhaps he is learning and he should. " he seems to be a very person..." haha .. for how long? we have another testimony from a forumite karl wilson below..
he can't keep his real character long. lalabas at lalabas din yan.. :wink:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: slowhandpal on February 17, 2009, 05:04:08 AM
i've been in the buy and sell biz of guitars and drums even before Philmusic ever existed..yung tipong Buy and Sell Magazine pa lang tinignan ko sa section 505 Musical Instruments section..and i have a 5ft + file stack of that magazines!just to know kung meron bagong murang gitara na binebenta at una akong makabili!at yung panahon na 7k to 8k lang ang bentahan ng mga lawsuit long tenon Lp's...like Tokai love rock,greco..orville..at hindi ko pa pinapansin nun ang maga tele!at strat!kasi more on tusok at floyded pa hilig ko nun!he.he.kaya mura ko lang bebnebenta ang mga Lp at strat nun pag Ibanez,Yamaha yan ang medyo mahal!he.he.yan hinanahanap sakin ng mga clients ko e..but little by little nalaman ko na mas luma mas mahal! and for straight 5years of buy and selling ng guitars at drum items naging success naman ang buy and sell biz ko those years past..selling for about 300+ guitars and 20+sets of drumset mostly branded not including cymbals,piccolos and other pedal stuffs...until i met this guy Mr.Tom the German from the heart of CCP!we met when buy my 60's Fender Twin Amp at merely 14thou but my price is 22thou..dapat hindi sa kanya ko dadalhin ang twin reverb kasi may buyer pa akong isa na pinoy na sure 22k bibilhin..but i decide na kay tom dalhin kasi amaayos kausap at mukhang mabait pero not what ive expected...by dollars kung magbawas sya ng price kung bibili cya..example kung may punit tolex minus$$,,kung magkaiba tubes,,minus dollars$$$...wala nako magawa kasi ive rent a van just to deliver the twin to him!i sell him fender champ12 all tube he buy at messly 2.2k or 3.2k..kasama ko pa pinsan ko nun at forum fanatic na dito sa pm..wala ka na magagawa kasi ang layo pa ng pinangalingan mo at para bitbitin mo pa ulet pauwi ang napabigat ng amp!!madali cya kausap pag dipa kayo magkaharap pero once magkaharap na kayo ayan ang tunay malalaman m9 na pagkatao nya..siguro this days nagbago na sya kasi madami na nagrereklano sa kanya..kaya instinct wise magpakabait na sya"Ive learned my lessons in a tragic way...at just think this mga sir ..yung mga vintage stuff na dapat tayo ang nagmamayari or rather nandito pa sana sa pinas at someday mahawakan din ng mga future musician natin maybe mga anak natin e napapunta sa ibang bansa dahil dun nya binenbenta ang mga ito..well,siguro hindi na ngayon..kasi inaads nya na rin sa pm e...yung mga nagsasabi na mabait sya at matino naman ka-deal e nito na lang sya ganun mga ser..fyi,,.I have nothing against Tom what im saying is what he is!PEACE.. to my old friends sa buy and selling JIE of nueva ecija,,Dan utoy taba aka Dan Sparta,Jerry of Angeles Pampanga,Jon Nerry of Paranaque,Darrell Oregeorge,,you might not know me as Karlwilson but i know you mga ser!at naging maganda ang bawat deal natin mapa Luge man o mapa Tubo man sa deal..he.he.Salamat sa inyo mga sir! PEACE..out..
the same old trick by Tom, hr's been doing these for years na pala. the same same complaint as well.. tsk. tsk.. sir karl unfortunately di pa rin po sya nagbago, kanina ata nagbago na parang kid nga daw turing nya sa tumawg at may pledge pa.. but i am sure it won't take long, he might have felt the ire of the pilipino musians he offended, insulted...
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: lovecore on February 17, 2009, 05:59:07 AM
^hindi brad eh. wala na siguro hahatak saken dun sa grounds sa tagal ko nang hindi nakakadalaw. natawa naman ako -> alam natin ang difference ng "febfair" sa "UP fair" geographically. :lol:
Hahaha magkaiba pala tawag no? ngayon ko lang nalaman...
para hindi OT... mabuhay si Tom at ang kanyang malabong business prakteeees!!! hehe
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: ael_israel on February 17, 2009, 09:51:20 AM
haay,,grabe na toh,,,,,thread of the year na nga ata toh,,the PREYdomTOM thread,,,o well wala na ata talagang pagbabago tong aleman nato ah..kagara.. :| mga pinoy sa sariling bansa napaglalamangan padin,,,when will we ever learn?????? jesus :?
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: gitarakista27 on February 17, 2009, 12:03:16 PM
Bago na ang stand ko with tom. im not for him or against him. i hate his tactics and his dirty personality. he manipulates deals. so para sa akin you have to learn to manipulate him din. :lol:
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: shodawmoon on February 17, 2009, 01:34:53 PM
Bago na ang stand ko with tom. im not for him or against him. i hate his tactics and his dirty personality. he manipulates deals. so para sa akin you have to learn to manipulate him din. :lol:
I agree
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: kawal on February 17, 2009, 02:00:48 PM
Bago na ang stand ko with tom. im not for him or against him. i hate his tactics and his dirty personality. he manipulates deals. so para sa akin you have to learn to manipulate him din. :lol:
i couldnt agree more.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: ael_israel on February 17, 2009, 06:57:39 PM
+1.....sheeesssss manipulate him?? no way,,magiging tom th 2nd lang aku nun.... :| teach him a lesson mas mabuti pa ata yun
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: kawal on February 17, 2009, 09:05:26 PM
I agree with the idea of learning how to deal with different kinds of people. kung tapatan at tapatan rin lang or turuan ng leksyon tulad ng sinabi mo, bakit hinde; as long as may patas na resolution yung deal.
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: haey2 on February 17, 2009, 10:28:08 PM
I agree with the idea of learning how to deal with different kinds of people. kung tapatan at tapatan rin lang or turuan ng leksyon tulad ng sinabi mo, bakit hinde; as long as may patas na resolution yung deal.
im with you on this bro...dapat "fair" ang deal no matter what nationality/culture both parties have...
o chard...trade mo na saken yun marshall master reverb amp ng 100 instructional DVD's... :wink: :-D :lol: 8-)
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: kawal on February 17, 2009, 10:35:38 PM
^tatlong kilong pick payag ako. :-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: raikidoodles on February 18, 2009, 02:07:37 AM
i think hindi din 'naloko' ang friend mo. if your friend didn't really want to sell his guitar or his gear, sana di nalang nya binenta at the price tom wanted because that would mean it was his choice and not toms. so he agreed willfully to it, kahet alam nya na hindi tama yung deal, he just sold it because malayo pinanggalingan nya. he was clear of all the terms and consequences and he still said 'yes'. so i think hindi siya niloko ni tom. after all the talk here, we should just be aware that tom will do anything in his power to degrade your gear. next time nalang your friend should expect that.
I beg to disagree, sir kung kayo ang nasa kalagayan nya mapipilitan kayo to do that, read the post ni karlwilson, and the other stories na may dalang amp at inakyat ang stairs ng apartment nya tapos tatawaran ng 5k un amp. Hindi porke't aware ang both parties sa consequences eh hindi na panloloko yun. Tom is a predator, and like a lion or a shark who is about to attack his prey eh hindi agad sya susunggab, an intelligent predator will not make an instant attack sa kanilang prey, yung ibang animals they attack in circles, kumbaga may rituals muna. And Tom as a predator will make situations na mapipilitan kang pumasok sa bitag n'ya, that is how he attack his prey, that is how he feeds himself, and it is sad to say that our fellow musikeros ang binibiktima n'ya.
The idea that it is better to deal to a person in his house kesa sa mall is a very bad interpretation of the situation. A spider is a predator itself, and he uses his web as a trap, and Tom has his own web where he can attack his prey easily. That condo unit is a trap! Like a spider waiting for its prey to take his bait.
Kung ihahampas ko ang dala kong amp sa mukha ni Tom at ginawa ko yun sa mall at least physical injury lang yun, pero kung sa loob ng bahay nya siguradong may malicious mischief ka na meron ka pang homicide kasi sa haus nya ginawa sa loob ng home :-D :-D :-D, joke lang po ito kung corny pag paensyahan nyo na. . .
BOYCOTT PREYdom TOM!
Musicians Against PREYdom TOM!
Any idea paano natin mabibigyan ng warning ang mga tao sa other sites like sulit.com etc, paano yung mga tao sa buy n sell na magazine? Kawawa naman sila!
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: slowhandpal on February 18, 2009, 05:00:58 AM
Kung ihahampas ko ang dala kong amp sa mukha ni Tom at ginawa ko yun sa mall at least physical injury lang yun, pero kung sa loob ng bahay nya siguradong may malicious mischief ka na meron ka pang homicide kasi sa haus nya ginawa sa loob ng home :-D :-D :-D, joke lang po ito kung corny pag paensyahan nyo na. . .
BOYCOTT PI beg to disagree, sir kung kayo ang nasa kalagayan nya mapipilitan kayo to do that, read the post ni karlwilson, and the other stories na may dalang amp at inakyat ang stairs ng apartment nya tapos tatawaran ng 5k un amp. Hindi porke't aware ang both parties sa consequences eh hindi na panloloko yun. Tom is a predator, and like a lion or a shark who is about to attack his prey eh hindi agad sya susunggab, an intelligent predator will not make an instant attack sa kanilang prey, yung ibang animals they attack in circles, kumbaga may rituals muna. And Tom as a predator will make situations na mapipilitan kang pumasok sa bitag n'ya, that is how he attack his prey, that is how he feeds himself, and it is sad to say that our fellow musikeros ang binibiktima n'ya.
The idea that it is better to deal to a person in his house kesa sa mall is a very bad interpretation of the situation. A spider is a predator itself, and he uses his web as a trap, and Tom has his own web where he can attack his prey easily. That condo unit is a trap! Like a spider waiting for its prey to take his bait. PREYdom TOM!
Musicians Against PREYdom TOM!
Any idea paano natin mabibigyan ng warning ang mga tao sa other sites like sulit.com etc, paano yung mga tao sa buy n sell na magazine? Kawawa naman sila!
Heed the call. Bro, ang ganda ng idea mong to, dati dadalawa, tatatlo lang kami, pero mas tama ka, dapat malawakan at magkaisa. kasi sa style namin, ganon pa rin si Tom di nagbago ugali.
VIVA REVOLUTION AGAINST TOM, I Boycott, send him home!we have the rich history of unity, we even dispose men of power. twice we've done it.unahin natin to tapos celebrate tayo EDSA Revolution.. :-)
Bro ingat na din atyo sa mga patibung ok?
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: chuck sabbath on February 18, 2009, 11:17:51 AM
just an opinion (thats still allowed here right?) from someone who has never dealt with tom...
a) hasel nga yung dinala nyo yung amp/gitara nyo napagkalayulayo at mamaliitin lang ng isang puti. pero disisyon nyo parin ang pag benta nun. did he hold a gun to your head? ano mas gusto nyo yung nahasel kayo o nagoyo? para sa akin iuuwi ko nalang yun, ibebenta sa iba, at sasabihin ko sa mga kakilala ko na wag na makipag-deal sa taong yun. kesa naman pumayag ako sa raw deal at mag mukmok/umangal sa internet. if the deal sucks you should have had the balls to tell him that to his face. pinoy pride diba? hindi dapat kayo nagpaintimidate tapos iiyak sa internet. confrontation is meant for the moment, not after the fact, its just poor form
b) so you got burned. you have every right to tell your friends about it, leave testimonials/warnings on forums etc. but to go after issues such as his immigration status and his personal hygiene is just petty and takes away from the real issue. following this logic, you should also go after indian nationals na nagpapa 5/6. i would say a lot of them are guilty of the same "crimes" ;)
c) i think that someone who has taken the time to answer questions/post pics on tom's behalf doesnt deserve to be attacked for any questionable behavior on the part of his associate. its not like its a corporation where the poster actually represents the party concerned
may mga veiled threats of physical violence pa...
dont get me wrong: im in agreement with you guys, bad trip nga talaga yung ginagawa nya kung totoo yun...pero dapat pinakita nyo yung angas nyo sa harap niya, hindi yung pagkatapos niyo nagpalamang
hindi na kailangan ng mga movement movement. dont put up with his bullsh*t, dont smile and nod, dont say "its ok". then he'll get the message
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: XFree on February 18, 2009, 12:03:58 PM
just say no to his offer then you'll see
he will lay low
:-D
Title: Re: FreedomTom the German..
Post by: kawal on February 18, 2009, 01:16:49 PM