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Title: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: alex_kayat on January 25, 2008, 01:11:23 PM
Maganda kaya tone kung gagamit ng mga lumber natin for guitar body? Woods like Yakal, Nara, Kamagong, Lauan, Mangga, Santol, Langka, Bayabas, etc. May nakita ko ginawa Coco Lumber top, ewan ko lang ano tunog nun.
Ganito sana kasi shape balak ko pagawa. (http://www.ibanezrules.com/namm/images/2008/068.JPG)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: RJ UBEr jam on January 28, 2008, 09:58:06 AM
Eto yung Guitar body na ginawa ko out of our native na kahoy Guijo(see attched pic). . . marami rami narin ako nagagawa guitar bodies out of kahoy na nakikita dito sa atin. . . like yakal, narra, acacia etc. . .
pwede mo gamitin most of Native na kahoy dito sa atin specially kung solid body ang gagawin mo. . . kaya lang siguro i consider mo kung ano yung tunog na gusto mo. . kasi nag vavary yung tunog sa klase nung wood. . . lahat ng kahoy posses its own timbre pag ginawa mo body ng guitar(parang tao kanya kanya boses). . . generally pag mabigat yung wood(hard wood talaga like guijo) solid talaga tunog and have good sustain. . . this wood and pickup combination gives a good heavy rock or metal sound when bridge pickup is used. . also a nice twangy sound if neck pickup is swithed to single coil configuration. . (also consider kung ano gagamitin mo pickup, hardware also the paint. . syempre lahat na yan mag bubuo nung over all tonality nung guitar na gagawin mo)
Pero favorite ko Guijo. . . . solid talaga tunog and sustain . . . mag workout ka lang dahil kung gano sya kabigat tunog. . . ganun din sya kabigat talaga. . :wink:
From tokai silverstar yung neck(maple) psensahan nyo na yung sobra sticker. . . :-D Neck is due for replacement. . recently naka hanap ako ng carvin neck. . . post it later nalang. . .
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: alex_kayat on January 28, 2008, 12:13:20 PM
Mga Sir OK sa guitara at sa mg info.
Sir RJ, gusto ko din gayahin yung position ng volume knobs nyo. Ayaw ko kasi masyado malapit sa pup.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: RJ UBEr jam on January 28, 2008, 03:36:20 PM
it takes a lot of effort para gumawa ng gitara. . . just cover all the bases learn about details para mas maganda kalabasan. . . rock on bro!
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jhay_609 on January 28, 2008, 07:48:32 PM
pm sent po sir RJ :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: toybitz on January 28, 2008, 08:04:19 PM
philippine mahogany
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: edalbkrad on January 28, 2008, 11:06:29 PM
diba sa cebu they use langka for acoustic guitars
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: killjom on January 28, 2008, 11:10:00 PM
narra nlang.. talagang matibay.. good sound.. kaso very heavy.. meron akong rj na made out of narra na sobrang bigat pero hanggang ngayon napakaganda ng tunog.. :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: nitotela on January 29, 2008, 04:41:26 PM
RJ UBEr jam what tool do you use to cut the body of guitar in shape?have you also tried to cut a guitar neck?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: RJ UBEr jam on January 29, 2008, 08:07:27 PM
RJ UBEr jam what tool do you use to cut the body of guitar in shape?have you also tried to cut a guitar neck?
1.Electric Jigsaw, ang gamit ko dun sa pag cut nung body. . Hint dun sa mga gagawa ng body; form the start bumibili ako ng wood sa mga gumagawa ng furniture sa mga province na nadadaanan ko. . trabaho ko kasi travel all over luzon kaya bili ako sa isabela or pangasinan. . size(20 X 16 X 2 inches) patuyuin ko ng nga 1 year kung minsan naarawan and ulanan. . Kailangan dry talaga yung wood para di mag warp) then dalahin ko sa uli sa furn shop pa planer ko sa kapal na gusto ko. . . gawa ako ng template ng shape nung guitar na gusto ko. . . then trace ko dun sa wood then cut ko ng jigsaw. . . then shaping. . . chisel, martilyo, woodfile, sandpaper, drill, screwdriver etc. . .
2. Yap, Gumawa na rin ako ng neck (nung wala pa ko pambili late 1980,s), out of big slab of good hardwood(guijo, my favorite wood: parang maple din sya: correct me if im wrong pls.) shape it(very very hard labor) then carefully pantayin yung magiging fretboard then decide yung gusto mo scale length nung guitar para sa sukat nung spacing ng frets, meron formula para ma compute yun, di ko maalala. . post ko, next wik, nasa prob ung kodigo ko. . (Drawback: wala truss rod) pro wala naman ako na experience na nag warp nun. . mga 20 guitars siguro na sell ko sa mga barkada ko na bands na tumutugtog sa shakeys nun. . . mga patay na cguro(joke :evil:). . este veteran na ngayon. . . meron ako souveneir na guitar kaya lang nasa california, its is still very nice and sound good, , made of narra yung body. . . picturan ko pag balik ko dun sa feb. . yabang. . hehe. .
Baka tanong mo ano na ko ngayon. . . Comm. engr. sa Transco. . . hobby ko lang making and Playing guitar. . . . Band: "Pangas band" kasama ko si tubero. .
hikli tanong nitotela. . . kwento na buhay :-D
hope that helps!
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: stringman on February 05, 2011, 08:22:45 AM
Let me resurrect this thread. :-D
Marami ako nakikitang furniture stores along the province highways. Like Tagaytay and even going to Nueva Ecija. What are the available local woods we have here?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: rowley75 on February 05, 2011, 08:40:00 AM
+1 to this. Arched top this and own! but this one is cool too. http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,202971.0.html but i think it's a hell of a heavy guitar.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: Saxtone on February 05, 2011, 09:23:50 AM
1.Electric Jigsaw, ang gamit ko dun sa pag cut nung body. . Hint dun sa mga gagawa ng body; form the start bumibili ako ng wood sa mga gumagawa ng furniture sa mga province na nadadaanan ko. . trabaho ko kasi travel all over luzon kaya bili ako sa isabela or pangasinan. . size(20 X 16 X 2 inches) patuyuin ko ng nga 1 year kung minsan naarawan and ulanan. . Kailangan dry talaga yung wood para di mag warp) then dalahin ko sa uli sa furn shop pa planer ko sa kapal na gusto ko. . . gawa ako ng template ng shape nung guitar na gusto ko. . . then trace ko dun sa wood then cut ko ng jigsaw. . . then shaping. . . chisel, martilyo, woodfile, sandpaper, drill, screwdriver etc. . .
2. Yap, Gumawa na rin ako ng neck (nung wala pa ko pambili late 1980,s), out of big slab of good hardwood(guijo, my favorite wood: parang maple din sya: correct me if im wrong pls.) shape it(very very hard labor) then carefully pantayin yung magiging fretboard then decide yung gusto mo scale length nung guitar para sa sukat nung spacing ng frets, meron formula para ma compute yun, di ko maalala. . post ko, next wik, nasa prob ung kodigo ko. . (Drawback: wala truss rod) pro wala naman ako na experience na nag warp nun. . mga 20 guitars siguro na sell ko sa mga barkada ko na bands na tumutugtog sa shakeys nun. . . mga patay na cguro(joke :evil:). . este veteran na ngayon. . . meron ako souveneir na guitar kaya lang nasa california, its is still very nice and sound good, , made of narra yung body. . . picturan ko pag balik ko dun sa feb. . yabang. . hehe. .
Baka tanong mo ano na ko ngayon. . . Comm. engr. sa Transco. . . hobby ko lang making and Playing guitar. . . . Band: "Pangas band" kasama ko si tubero. .
hikli tanong nitotela. . . kwento na buhay :-D
hope that helps!
Sir RJ Do you accept custom jobs? haha nagpagawa kasi ako custom neck body nalang kulang. pa PM naman ng contacts and location thanks :D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: guitarman8294 on February 05, 2011, 10:52:06 AM
Maganda kaya tone kung gagamit ng mga lumber natin for guitar body? Woods like Yakal, Nara, Kamagong, Lauan, Mangga, Santol, Langka, Bayabas, etc. May nakita ko ginawa Coco Lumber top, ewan ko lang ano tunog nun.
Ganito sana kasi shape balak ko pagawa. (http://www.ibanezrules.com/namm/images/2008/068.JPG)
Langka ata pwede sa body, and kamagong para sa fretboard..
8-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: deadlifted on February 05, 2011, 03:09:01 PM
check my sig, all made by Max Rufo. contact number on my sig too:
the flying V has a ~3mm narra top. phil mahogany body, kamagong neck and fretboard. low middy itong guitar
the Iceman/explorer hybrid has a phil mahogany body, maple top, kamagong neck and fretboard. nice balanced tone with a bit of mid scoop. chambered din kasi tong guitar.
the tele - ash body, maple board but with a macopa neck. one of my best sounding guitars. dati may maple neck/rosewood board na nakalagay dito. nung pinapalitan ko ng macopa neck, naging brighter at punchier. maybe its the maple board or the macopa neck or combination of both, i don't know. basta mas masaya ako with the new neck.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: ARTificial on February 05, 2011, 03:26:04 PM
Hmmmm.. Mukhang okay 'to ah.. matagal ko na rin gustong mag custom ng guitar eh.. nakakuha ako ng idea dito, tamang tama taga angono ako at dikit naman kami ni Nemiranda (Sikat ng iskultor/artist) Pwede akong magpaturo sa kanyang mag ukit, tutal may konting naman akong Background sa sculpture kasi FineArts Grad. ako. hehe Goodluck nalang. after 5 years siguro tapos ko na yun. :lol:
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: siore on February 05, 2011, 05:31:49 PM
Anyone have more info on the wood they call "igim"?? I don't know if it's spelled that way, but they use it in cebu for the acoustics.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: r_chino18 on February 05, 2011, 05:35:50 PM
Anyone have more info on the wood they call "igim"?? I don't know if it's spelled that way, but they use it in cebu for the acoustics.
My mom asked me the other day kung may alam din daw ba ako yungkol sa wood na yan. May nagbebenta kasi ng furniture sa kanya na ganyan daw ang kahoy. Don't really know much about it though.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 05, 2011, 06:41:18 PM
My mom asked me the other day kung may alam din daw ba ako yungkol sa wood na yan. May nagbebenta kasi ng furniture sa kanya na ganyan daw ang kahoy. Don't really know much about it though.
send me a plank and let's see what happens :lol: :lol: free ba :-D hehehe
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: siore on February 06, 2011, 12:19:06 AM
My mom asked me the other day kung may alam din daw ba ako yungkol sa wood na yan. May nagbebenta kasi ng furniture sa kanya na ganyan daw ang kahoy. Don't really know much about it though.
It definitely perked my interest. Prior to my cebu trip, I haven't heard of it. :-) Oh, and "banuyo" as well.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on February 06, 2011, 04:32:04 PM
since there's just too much in the equation of good electric guitar tone, i guess using local wood would not be too much of an issue. but in an acoustic guitar, wood is IT.
i guess most of the local woods are already mentioned above. i can add Merbau (Ipil) - a very resonant tonewood according to my luthier in Cebu.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 06, 2011, 05:09:12 PM
since there's just too much in the equation of good electric guitar tone, i guess using local wood would not be too much of an issue. but in an acoustic guitar, wood is IT.
yep. and more of the top and its bracing. torres once made a guitar with paper mache back and sides to prove that the top is IT. it was done again by an american and posted his work on the official luthiers forum. it sounded pretty good. but to me there's nothing prettier than a good back and side set on a great sounding guitar...
but if you look at instruments from all over, the luthiers made them from local wood. before free trade and all they made do with what was available and i guess the yardstick was set. i often wondered what if stardivarius only had malungay for tonewood and leo fender only had santol. we'd probably GAS over malungay and santol guitars today :lol:
i say its ok to build with what we have locally, basta quartersawn :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: alex_kayat on February 06, 2011, 06:06:09 PM
Gusto ko sana talaga try pa custom made, kaso matagal saka mahal din aabutin. By the way, yung RJ guitars ba gawa ba locally? If local, malamang madami na sila nagawang guitars from local woods at alam na nila kung anong kahoy maganda tumunog.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: guitarman8294 on February 06, 2011, 06:21:15 PM
Gusto ko sana talaga try pa custom made, kaso matagal saka mahal din aabutin. By the way, yung RJ guitars ba gawa ba locally? If local, malamang madami na sila nagawang guitars from local woods at alam na nila kung anong kahoy maganda tumunog.
ung RJ guitars noon imported woods pero dito gumagawa ng guitars. ngaun nag iimport nalang ata sila ng guitars. 8-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: djonathan on February 06, 2011, 06:40:06 PM
1.Electric Jigsaw, ang gamit ko dun sa pag cut nung body. . Hint dun sa mga gagawa ng body; form the start bumibili ako ng wood sa mga gumagawa ng furniture sa mga province na nadadaanan ko. . trabaho ko kasi travel all over luzon kaya bili ako sa isabela or pangasinan. . size(20 X 16 X 2 inches) patuyuin ko ng nga 1 year kung minsan naarawan and ulanan. . Kailangan dry talaga yung wood para di mag warp) then dalahin ko sa uli sa furn shop pa planer ko sa kapal na gusto ko. . . gawa ako ng template ng shape nung guitar na gusto ko. . . then trace ko dun sa wood then cut ko ng jigsaw. . . then shaping. . . chisel, martilyo, woodfile, sandpaper, drill, screwdriver etc. . .
2. Yap, Gumawa na rin ako ng neck (nung wala pa ko pambili late 1980,s), out of big slab of good hardwood(guijo, my favorite wood: parang maple din sya: correct me if im wrong pls.) shape it(very very hard labor) then carefully pantayin yung magiging fretboard then decide yung gusto mo scale length nung guitar para sa sukat nung spacing ng frets, meron formula para ma compute yun, di ko maalala. . post ko, next wik, nasa prob ung kodigo ko. . (Drawback: wala truss rod) pro wala naman ako na experience na nag warp nun. . mga 20 guitars siguro na sell ko sa mga barkada ko na bands na tumutugtog sa shakeys nun. . . mga patay na cguro(joke :evil:). . este veteran na ngayon. . . meron ako souveneir na guitar kaya lang nasa california, its is still very nice and sound good, , made of narra yung body. . . picturan ko pag balik ko dun sa feb. . yabang. . hehe. .
Baka tanong mo ano na ko ngayon. . . Comm. engr. sa Transco. . . hobby ko lang making and Playing guitar. . . . Band: "Pangas band" kasama ko si tubero. .
hikli tanong nitotela. . . kwento na buhay :-D
hope that helps!
intresting thread. maraming kahoy dito sa isabela. na cut na din. althi i dont know squat about building :) san sa isabela ka nag pupunta bro?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on February 06, 2011, 06:51:05 PM
but if you look at instruments from all over, the luthiers made them from local wood. before free trade and all they made do with what was available and i guess the yardstick was set. i often wondered what if stardivarius only had malungay for tonewood and leo fender only had santol. we'd probably GAS over malungay and santol guitars today :lol:
:lol:
my take on this - if they only had malunggay or santol for tonewood, they won't be where they are now. imo, not all types of wood are designed to be used for musical instruments. :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 06, 2011, 06:58:54 PM
my take on this - if they only had malunggay or santol for tonewood, they won't be where they are now. imo, not all types of wood are designed to be used for musical instruments. :-)
because some woods just sound dead... i definitely agree! stadovariyussi who?? but he will still be making violins, tapos ulam niya munggo at malungay :lol: i wish i could get my hands on some bosnian maple, the same stuff he used. mura lang online (relatively) but shipping and customs will probably kill my wallet. still, its on my sights, WASSING for it...
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on February 06, 2011, 07:06:46 PM
i wish i could get my hands on some bosnian maple, the same stuff he used. mura lang online (relatively) but shipping and customs will probably kill my wallet. still, its on my sights, WASSING for it...
maybe you can get in touch with some of our shippers here in PhilMusic and ask for a quote. they might be able to help you bring them in. :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 06, 2011, 08:10:03 PM
It definitely perked my interest. Prior to my cebu trip, I haven't heard of it. :-) Oh, and "banuyo" as well.
Just got home. Mom and I bought that Igim stuff from the hardware. I thought it was furniture per se (cabinet, tables, chairs, etc), pero parang parts lang pala. Don't know for sure kung baka meron din talagang malalaking furniture na ginagamit siya. Another wood na ginagamit din sa ganitong part ay yung Gemelina. I think I saw one before kasi thesis yun ng classmate ko sa isang Pulp and Paper subject. It was a relatively white wood.
Anyway, it was the merchandiser from the hardware that said it was Igim. It was also pretty hard to acquire din daw. Can't send you guys a plank sample so I just took some pics a while ago. The grains look good. This is a cabinet door which measures 12x30 inches, with a thickness of 1 inch.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: Musikerochan on February 07, 2011, 05:16:05 PM
hmmm, ngayon parang gusto kong makipag-bonding dun sa mga loggers dito na kapitbahay namin :evil: i'll be fishing for some wood specimen siguro in the days to come.
anu-ano ba ang mga usual suspects natin? ang alam namumutol sila ng palo-tsina, mahogany (though im not sure kung anong species), etc.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 07, 2011, 07:05:57 PM
Just got home. Mom and I bought that Igim stuff from the hardware. I thought it was furniture per se (cabinet, tables, chairs, etc), pero parang parts lang pala. Don't know for sure kung baka meron din talagang malalaking furniture na ginagamit siya. Another wood na ginagamit din sa ganitong part ay yung Gemelina. I think I saw one before kasi thesis yun ng classmate ko sa isang Pulp and Paper subject. It was a relatively white wood.
Anyway, it was the merchandiser from the hardware that said it was Igim. It was also pretty hard to acquire din daw. Can't send you guys a plank sample so I just took some pics a while ago. The grains look good. This is a cabinet door which measures 12x30 inches, with a thickness of 1 inch.
bro is there any way to see the end grain? i just want to find out how it was cut. da best if the grains are 60-90 degrees with respect to the wide side. sana medyo quartersawn. if not, baka pwedeng neck wood yan, pero laminared. its too thin to use for solid bodies (unless you stack it). does it dent when you press your fingernail on it?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: r_chino18 on February 07, 2011, 11:57:53 PM
bro is there any way to see the end grain? i just want to find out how it was cut. da best if the grains are 60-90 degrees with respect to the wide side. sana medyo quartersawn. if not, baka pwedeng neck wood yan, pero laminared. its too thin to use for solid bodies (unless you stack it). does it dent when you press your fingernail on it?
Will try to snap some more pic tomorrow bro. Nagkataon lang na yung dimensions nung pinto ng cabinet ay 1 inch lang ang thickness kaya siguro manipis. Hehe.
About the fingernail, it does dent, but not much. Just a really small denting, masakit siya sa kuko if I press any harder.
4th pic bro shows the end grain.
Bale yung 1st pic, parang top view yan nung cabinet door pag naka flat lang sa sahig.
2nd pic, parang 1st pic din pero angled lang yung pagkakakuha ng pic.
3rd pic, parang 1st pic din pero mas malapit yung focus.
4th pic, yun yung pinaka edge nung top surface niya. Parang carved kasi yung dating niya.
5th and 6th pic, yan yung 1 inch na thickness niya. Although medyo inconsistent kasi hindi na siya part nung top wood mismo. Sa frame na yan nung cabinet door.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: ARTificial on February 08, 2011, 03:13:59 AM
hmmm, ngayon parang gusto kong makipag-bonding dun sa mga loggers dito na kapitbahay namin :evil: i'll be fishing for some wood specimen siguro in the days to come.
anu-ano ba ang mga usual suspects natin? ang alam namumutol sila ng palo-tsina, mahogany (though im not sure kung anong species), etc.
:lol: Naisip ko naman kapag nag mountaineering ulit kami somewhere in Laguna, dami kasing mahogany dun, iniiwan ng mga illegal loggers sa bundok tapos dun nila chinachop-chop tapos inuunti-unti nila ang pag bababa, naisip ko kumupit pag wala na sila :lol: kaso paano? magdadala ako ng Saw sa Bundok? tapos papahirapan ko sarili ko sa pagbababa nung kahoy na yun., for sure dagdag bigat sa Bag kong malaki,. :|
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 08, 2011, 08:46:11 AM
Will try to snap some more pic tomorrow bro. Nagkataon lang na yung dimensions nung pinto ng cabinet ay 1 inch lang ang thickness kaya siguro manipis. Hehe.
About the fingernail, it does dent, but not much. Just a really small denting, masakit siya sa kuko if I press any harder.
4th pic bro shows the end grain.
Bale yung 1st pic, parang top view yan nung cabinet door pag naka flat lang sa sahig.
2nd pic, parang 1st pic din pero angled lang yung pagkakakuha ng pic.
3rd pic, parang 1st pic din pero mas malapit yung focus.
4th pic, yun yung pinaka edge nung top surface niya. Parang carved kasi yung dating niya.
5th and 6th pic, yan yung 1 inch na thickness niya. Although medyo inconsistent kasi hindi na siya part nung top wood mismo. Sa frame na yan nung cabinet door.
pre if you sand the end smooth you'll see which direction the grain is going
and ask if the supplier has 2 inch planks. para sa solid body.
is the wood heavy?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: Musikerochan on February 08, 2011, 08:56:41 AM
:lol: Naisip ko naman kapag nag mountaineering ulit kami somewhere in Laguna, dami kasing mahogany dun, iniiwan ng mga illegal loggers sa bundok tapos dun nila chinachop-chop tapos inuunti-unti nila ang pag bababa, naisip ko kumupit pag wala na sila :lol: kaso paano? magdadala ako ng Saw sa Bundok? tapos papahirapan ko sarili ko sa pagbababa nung kahoy na yun., for sure dagdag bigat sa Bag kong malaki,. :|
PMusic forumers and their crazy ideas :evil:
wag na tol, baka maispatan ka nila, habulin ka pa pababa sa bundok. take note, may bitbit kang mabigat na kahoy, aabutin ka nila tiyak hehehe.
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the pic above looks a lot like my bare LP i posted in another thread.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on February 08, 2011, 10:04:45 AM
Will try to snap some more pic tomorrow bro. Nagkataon lang na yung dimensions nung pinto ng cabinet ay 1 inch lang ang thickness kaya siguro manipis. Hehe.
About the fingernail, it does dent, but not much. Just a really small denting, masakit siya sa kuko if I press any harder.
4th pic bro shows the end grain.
Bale yung 1st pic, parang top view yan nung cabinet door pag naka flat lang sa sahig.
2nd pic, parang 1st pic din pero angled lang yung pagkakakuha ng pic.
3rd pic, parang 1st pic din pero mas malapit yung focus.
4th pic, yun yung pinaka edge nung top surface niya. Parang carved kasi yung dating niya.
5th and 6th pic, yan yung 1 inch na thickness niya. Although medyo inconsistent kasi hindi na siya part nung top wood mismo. Sa frame na yan nung cabinet door.
bro is there any way to see the end grain? i just want to find out how it was cut. da best if the grains are 60-90 degrees with respect to the wide side. sana medyo quartersawn. if not, baka pwedeng neck wood yan, pero laminared. its too thin to use for solid bodies (unless you stack it). does it dent when you press your fingernail on it?
if that's taken from a hardware, mukhang malabo na quartersawn yan.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: r_chino18 on February 08, 2011, 11:56:04 AM
pre if you sand the end smooth you'll see which direction the grain is going
and ask if the supplier has 2 inch planks. para sa solid body.
is the wood heavy?
Can't do modifications on the cabinet door bro, it's going to be used sa pinapagawang cabinet ng mom ko eh. So I guess kung ano lang kaya ko mapicturan, hanggang dun lang ako.
The 30x12x1 door weighs a flat 2kgs.. around 4.4lbs.
sir Jbarot, pwede ba ako magpost nun sa akin? i recently stripped my guitar and sanded it, have no idea what kind of wood is it. :-)
pre i'm not a botanist, but i'm sure when you post a pic here fellow forumites may help identify it. and this is not my thread. but i'm sure no one will mind :-)
did you fix your popping fret?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: Rmansh on February 08, 2011, 04:28:43 PM
pre i'm not a botanist, but i'm sure when you post a pic here fellow forumites may help identify it. and this is not my thread. but i'm sure no one will mind :-)
did you fix your popping fret?
i tried.....and failed.....lols.......the gap is too small for a shim insert or kulang lang ako sa diskarte hehe. i'll try to glue it again or maybe use a clamp.......pag sinipag :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 08, 2011, 04:31:53 PM
i tried.....and failed.....lols.......the gap is too small for a shim insert or kulang lang ako sa diskarte hehe. i'll try to glue it again or maybe use a clamp.......pag sinipag :-D
try using paper. once it absorbs the glue it will become rock hard
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: Rmansh on February 08, 2011, 05:34:00 PM
try using paper. once it absorbs the glue it will become rock hard
good idea will try that one too. thanks :-D
eto yun stripped body, pinaglaruan ko lang, thinking of repainting it. its a local guitar with a very thick paint, daming layer / coats. wag nyo na tanong if this has the tone and timbre because its just a project guitar :-D any ideas? curious lang :-D (http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy291/rearocker/temp/rj_resize.jpg) (http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy291/rearocker/temp/rj2_resize.jpg) (http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy291/rearocker/temp/rj1_resize.jpg) (http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy291/rearocker/temp/rj3_resize.jpg)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 08, 2011, 06:44:18 PM
i have no idea what wood that is bro. but i bet it would look good with walnut stain to pop the grain out. but thats just me. sorry for not being able to help :-(
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: Rmansh on February 08, 2011, 07:11:30 PM
i have no idea what wood that is bro. but i bet it would look good with walnut stain to pop the grain out. but thats just me. sorry for not being able to help :-(
nah we are having fun, woody fun :-D but i will try that walnut stain.
BTW, this is a 15+ year old RJ rokker i bought for 5k iirc with amp pa :-D. yun neck nya ganyan din yun wood. (reminds me of coco lumber lols). the alnico pro 2 SD sounded full in this guitar, but trebly on my MIJ basswood ibanez. so i thought it works best with trebly pickups.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 08, 2011, 07:21:46 PM
personally i dont like painting over wood that has good looks. i look at the maple tops that are stained/painted over and i go "why??"
but that's just me, thats just my taste :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: Rmansh on February 08, 2011, 08:07:51 PM
yun din ang trip ko ngayon, wood finish, much closer to nature, :-D Funny thing i discovered when i stripped it down, the first coat was clear coat, then layers of layers of metallic blue coat, then last one was another clear coat. i didn't see any primer lols.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: ARTificial on February 09, 2011, 12:23:47 AM
Meron din ako ditong lumang Bass Body, ganyan din yung wood nya, masyadong visible at malalaki yung mga grains. kaya nahirapan ako nung irerepaint ko sana, kaya ayun di ko nalang tinuloy. :|
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 09, 2011, 05:54:00 AM
Meron din ako ditong lumang Bass Body, ganyan din yung wood nya, masyadong visible at malalaki yung mga grains. kaya nahirapan ako nung irerepaint ko sana, kaya ayun di ko nalang tinuloy. :|
what you need is a pore/grain filler
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: stringman on February 09, 2011, 06:08:11 AM
Yes sir i believe so. kaso waste of time & Money kung ipipilit ko pa eh alam ko naman na olats talaga quality nun, Raon product lang yata kasi yun eh. :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 09, 2011, 03:50:36 PM
Yes sir i believe so. kaso waste of time & Money kung ipipilit ko pa eh alam ko naman na olats talaga quality nun, Raon product lang yata kasi yun eh. :-D
or you can look at it this way: its a great learning guitar! i'd build it and make all my mistakes there. once you complete it believe you me, it will be the best sounding guitar you have ever heard! because you built it with your own hands.
madali lang i-pore fill yan
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: ARTificial on February 09, 2011, 11:59:01 PM
or you can look at it this way: its a great learning guitar! i'd build it and make all my mistakes there. once you complete it believe you me, it will be the best sounding guitar you have ever heard! because you built it with your own hands.
madali lang i-pore fill yan
Naisip ko na rin yan at sinabi sa sarili ko. pero mas pinili ko nalang magpaka praktikal. :-D
Mga Factors na nakakatamad gawin:
-Alisin yung lumang paint. -Magliha -GUMAMIT NG APPROPRIATE Gears for repainting (Mask. pagta'tape, etc. basta marami). :lol:
tamad kasi ako e, hehe
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: red_hot on February 10, 2011, 07:56:52 AM
I asked some guitar geek/makers anything will do but what they really need is a good and quality of wood for music nor a musical wood. which most qualities are in to those known like mahogany, rosewood and maple.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: Musikerochan on February 10, 2011, 11:02:03 AM
yung mga tagarito sa amin naglalaro ng pool (similar to billiards pero flat yung mga piyesa), ganyang kahoy yung tako.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: ARTificial on February 10, 2011, 11:30:48 PM
Illegal yan sabi nung kasama kong dalubhasa. hehe kaya nga naisip ko kukuha lang ako ng kontin tutal hindi na nila mahahalata yun sa dami nyan. lol pero hindi ako seryoso nung sinabi ko yun. haha :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on February 11, 2011, 02:29:18 PM
sana nga may local wood na pwedeng magandang alternative to ash and alder.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: r_chino18 on February 11, 2011, 05:40:55 PM
How about yung Pinewood na ginagamit ni sir micsis sa mga tele builds niya?
pine is good. in fact the first fender broadcasters were of pine. rick kelly, the master luthier from NYC builds with it and they sound really good. if you have pine, build with it!
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: r_chino18 on February 11, 2011, 06:00:38 PM
pine is good. in fact the first fender broadcasters were of pine. rick kelly, the master luthier from NYC builds with it and they sound really good. if you have pine, build with it!
Are they the same as the Pinewoods sa hardware? Meron kasi sa Wilcon depot. lol. They have long Pinewood slabs.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on February 11, 2011, 06:14:06 PM
pine is good. in fact the first fender broadcasters were of pine. rick kelly, the master luthier from NYC builds with it and they sound really good. if you have pine, build with it!
would you know why Fender stopped using pine for their guitar builds bro?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 11, 2011, 07:12:56 PM
would you know why Fender stopped using pine for their guitar builds bro?
no idea. maybe when they moved to a factory to mass produce guitars ash or alder was the local wood. who knows? :? but i know of many respected luthiers who make guitars out of pine. tho i don't do electric anymore, if i should own (or make) one it would be of pine. i like it. it's light (i come from the school of "weight kills tone") and i love how it looks. it works easily too.
Are they the same as the Pinewoods sa hardware? Meron kasi sa Wilcon depot. lol. They have long Pinewood slabs.
they do?? how thick and how wide? dapat at least 2 inches thick. but i bet it won't be quartersawn but its worth a look see. if i like it i'm going to stash some away :evil:
rick kelly's bowery pine guitars: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mediawench/4750642996/
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on February 11, 2011, 08:52:44 PM
Lumber grade might not be appropriate for musical instruments since it's intended for furniture and fixtures. Then again, you never know. Might be worth looking into.
What Wilcon branch? I hope it's 2 inches thick and that Wilcon provides woodcutting services.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: r_chino18 on February 11, 2011, 10:56:02 PM
no idea. maybe when they moved to a factory to mass produce guitars ash or alder was the local wood. who knows? :? but i know of many respected luthiers who make guitars out of pine. tho i don't do electric anymore, if i should own (or make) one it would be of pine. i like it. it's light (i come from the school of "weight kills tone") and i love how it looks. it works easily too. they do?? how thick and how wide? dapat at least 2 inches thick. but i bet it won't be quartersawn but its worth a look see. if i like it i'm going to stash some away :evil: rick kelly's bowery pine guitars: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mediawench/4750642996/
Lumber grade might not be appropriate for musical instruments since it's intended for furniture and fixtures. Then again, you never know. Might be worth looking into. What Wilcon branch? I hope it's 2 inches thick and that Wilcon provides woodcutting services.
I'll check again this coming week when I visit the store. It's Wilcon in Calamba, Laguna. Hehe. :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: shodawmoon on February 12, 2011, 09:29:38 PM
Sir RJ Do you accept custom jobs? haha nagpagawa kasi ako custom neck body nalang kulang. pa PM naman ng contacts and location thanks :D
Sorry Saxtone ngayon lang ako naka reply sa post mo. . Well medyo amateur lang ako sa wood working kaya di ako maka accept ng custom jobs :-D :-D. . . Baka mapahiya lang!. . I can see na marami tayo expert luthier sa manila where you could try na magpagawa ng custom body ng guitar. . and from Nueva Ecija pa ako. . .
repost ko uli yung guitar. . Medyo pinalitan ko ng neck (Carver evony fretboard) and sanitize ko ng kaunti yung body. . medyo radikal kasi. . . di bagay sa akin :-D. .
Sorry Saxtone ngayon lang ako naka reply sa post mo. . Well medyo amateur lang ako sa wood working kaya di ako maka accept ng custom jobs :-D :-D. . . Baka mapahiya lang!. . I can see na marami tayo expert luthier sa manila where you could try na magpagawa ng custom body ng guitar. . and from Nueva Ecija pa ako. . .
repost ko uli yung guitar. . Medyo pinalitan ko ng neck (Carver evony fretboard) and sanitize ko ng kaunti yung body. . medyo radikal kasi. . . di bagay sa akin :-D. .
Anyone have more info on the wood they call "igim"?? I don't know if it's spelled that way, but they use it in cebu for the acoustics.
Igim, as I was told is a Japanese hard wood that is used as a Katana blade handle. Very very expensive daw ito. And pretty tough to find.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: RJ UBEr jam on February 13, 2011, 11:19:35 PM
thanks! :-D . . hope local guitar builder(kahit amateur) may be inspired to use local resources. . it may differ in tone or looks. . but its not bad at all. . rock on!
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 14, 2011, 07:34:31 AM
thanks! :-D . . hope local guitar builder(kahit amateur) may be inspired to use local resources. . it may differ in tone or looks. . but its not bad at all. . rock on!
If I can find quarter sawn cuts of planks I'll be willing to try. The problem is 99% of the wood here is flat sawn. I don't know of any local mills that will custom cut logs.
I want to make an acoustic guitar made of narra. Maybe when the time is right :wink:
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: RJ UBEr jam on February 14, 2011, 08:08:05 AM
One of my first(late 80's) "home made" electric guitar is made of Narra. . its color is very nice orange red. . Its tone. . lovely. . . Yun katabi ko matulog nung binata pa ako :-D. . . . UNTILL. . . .
Inarbor nung cousin ko from US. . Di ko natanggihan. . . ngayon US Citizen na yung guitar ko(visited it once) :lol:. . .
An Acoustic(narra)guitar . . . that would be interesting!!!. . baka mahirapan ka lang sa pag hanap nung correctly sawn wood for the project. . but if ever. . undoubtedly pinoy na pinoy dating nun. . . keep us posted!.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 14, 2011, 09:58:31 AM
if i could find planks of narra i would bro
my parents have this really old bookcase made of narra. now it looks like crap and one day i was looking at it my wife said "you are NOT turning that to a guitar!! i-rerestore mo yan!" thats the end of the discussion :lol: sayang, the bookcase is big enough for 2 or even 3 guitar back and side sets
baka molave ok. basta quartersawn. now i've seen american luthiers working with dao wood. they call it paldao from the philippines. heard one guitar made by a friend. it sounded great! then again, he is a really good luthier.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: stringman on February 14, 2011, 10:15:27 AM
Narra is really heavy.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 14, 2011, 10:25:41 AM
it is but really dense too. which means that you can thin it down a bit more without fear of its structural integrity. but i haven't worked with narra before so i'm just going by with what others have told me :-D
sa australia ginagamit nila narra for guitars. sometimes they call it new guinea rosewood pero di naman rosewood. it looks really good, and they say it sounds really good too.
if i get some narra i'll definitely work with it
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on February 14, 2011, 10:30:52 AM
it is but really dense too. which means that you can thin it down a bit more without fear of its structural integrity. but i haven't worked with narra before so i'm just going by with what others have told me :-D
sa australia ginagamit nila narra for guitars. sometimes they call it new guinea rosewood pero di naman rosewood. it looks really good, and they say it sounds really good too.
if i get some narra i'll definitely work with it
You can always build it chambered. :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 14, 2011, 10:43:01 AM
hahaha! true! but honestly after my hollowbody project i don't think i'll be making another chambered/hollowbody anytime soon. i'm thinking of making that flamenco guitar from the wood i've set aside for it years ago. and that stick dulcimer that has captured my interest.
pero hinay hinay lang muna :lol: :lol:
still, i am WASSING for a few narra guitar sets...
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on February 14, 2011, 05:36:18 PM
i passed by Sta Rosa last weekend going to Tagaytay and saw a lot of wood planks/logs all around. i'm really curious as to what types of wood those were. maybe some day i can stop by and ask. :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on February 14, 2011, 08:46:52 PM
hahaha! true! but honestly after my hollowbody project i don't think i'll be making another chambered/hollowbody anytime soon. i'm thinking of making that flamenco guitar from the wood i've set aside for it years ago. and that stick dulcimer that has captured my interest.
pero hinay hinay lang muna :lol: :lol:
still, i am WASSING for a few narra guitar sets...
Tell me if you'll be pursuing that project. Totally interested. Hahaha! :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 14, 2011, 08:53:54 PM
How about making a thinner body? Making it 1.5" thick may shave off a pound or so :-P
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 15, 2011, 07:58:25 AM
Everything's possible. But with electrics wood gets the backseat when it comes to tone. The more gain and fuzz you crank the the less wood tone you'll hear. I'm sure that the wood does contribute to tone, but with electrics not so much. In my opinion putting old growth wood into a guitar that would be played for heavy rock is a waste of time and money hehehehe. It's just luthier's salestalk to me. I'm sure many would disagree with me on this.
But a narra guitar would be so cool. We could chamber it for or make it thinner. Personally I would chamber it, I like my guitars thick ( or tall) and with the hollow body I'm making now when I tap the top it really sounds like a drum and it rings like a bell. Don't ask me how I did it, I don't know :lol: But I bet will density and hardness it will blunt the tools used.
Ther's this company in muntinlupa called " ancestral building materials" Haven't been there, but their website says that they have old narra, molave and kamagong beams salvaged from old houses. If anyone from that area can check it out and report it to us, it would be a great help. How much and if they custom cut.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on February 15, 2011, 09:18:01 AM
Everything's possible. But with electrics wood gets the backseat when it comes to tone. The more gain and fuzz you crank the the less wood tone you'll hear. I'm sure that the wood does contribute to tone, but with electrics not so much. In my opinion putting old growth wood into a guitar that would be played for heavy rock is a waste of time and money hehehehe. It's just luthier's salestalk to me. I'm sure many would disagree with me on this.
But a narra guitar would be so cool. We could chamber it for or make it thinner. Personally I would chamber it, I like my guitars thick ( or tall) and with the hollow body I'm making now when I tap the top it really sounds like a drum and it rings like a bell. Don't ask me how I did it, I don't know :lol: But I bet will density and hardness it will blunt the tools used.
Ther's this company in muntinlupa called " ancestral building materials" Haven't been there, but their website says that they have old narra, molave and kamagong beams salvaged from old houses. If anyone from that area can check it out and report it to us, it would be a great help. How much and if they custom cut.
Totally agree with you on that. I prefer cleans to subtle overdrives and none of those homogenized, distorted tones. I like it when the sound is transparent.
Do I smell a trip to Muntinlupa? Care to share the website URL?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 15, 2011, 10:24:58 AM
Totally agree with you on that. I prefer cleans to subtle overdrives and none of those homogenized, distorted tones. I like it when the sound is transparent.
Do I smell a trip to Muntinlupa? Care to share the website URL?
here you go bro. if you can get there and check it out, please let us know what its like:
http://malatumbaga.com/beams.html
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on February 15, 2011, 10:31:53 AM
here you go bro. if you can get there and check it out, please let us know what its like:
http://malatumbaga.com/beams.html
ah sa Alabang Hills! hope i find time to drop by this place when i visit my relatives that live in Alabang.
they have a wide variety of aged wood! i think it's best to test each one's tap tone first. hopefully they can make cuts that are as thick as the ones used for acoustics so that tap tone can be easily tested. from there, we will at least have an idea how each wood sounds and resonates. :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 15, 2011, 10:52:12 AM
ah sa Alabang Hills! hope i find time to drop by this place when i visit my relatives that live in Alabang.
they have a wide variety of aged wood! i think it's best to test each one's tap tone first. hopefully they can make cuts that are as thick as the ones used for acoustics so that tap tone can be easily tested. from there, we will at least have an idea how each wood sounds and resonates. :-)
Maxi, I sense excitement hehehe
I'm excited too! If I go there I'll check if the grains are fairly straight then try to cut it in planks of at least 1/4 inch thick. Only then I can check for tap tone. Wood to me sounds the same when they are in thick slabs, their character comes out when they are progressively thinned. So I would have to buy a beam and hope for the best. One thing about logs and beams is that you'll never know what they are really like until you look inside.
One thing about this company is that they're pretty coy when you ask for prices via email. I think that they will be more accommodating when you visit personally. sana reasonable ang prices... I'll get a beam and worry about cutting it somewhere else if I have to.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on February 15, 2011, 11:02:28 AM
I'm excited too! If I go there I'll check if the grains are fairly straight then try to cut it in planks of at least 1/4 inch thick. Only then I can check for tap tone. Wood to me sounds the same when they are in thick slabs, their character comes out when they are progressively thinned. So I would have to buy a beam and hope for the best. One thing about logs and beams is that you'll never know what they are really like until you look inside.
One thing about this company is that they're pretty coy when you ask for prices via email. I think that they will be more accommodating when you visit personally. sana reasonable ang prices... I'll get a beam and worry about cutting it somewhere else if I have to.
correct. that's why i always wondered how electric guitar makes can test the tap tone of the wood they are working on because they are just too thick to produce tap tone.
another question here is, would the tap tone be consistent all throughout the beam of wood? i read somewhere that wood in the lower part of a trunk will sound different from wood further up. there's just too many variables, the brain would explode. :lol:
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 15, 2011, 11:14:17 AM
i am! just too much potential! hopefully we find a jewel amongst these old fellows. :-D
correct. that's why i always wondered how electric guitar makes can test the tap tone of the wood they are working on because they are just too thick to produce tap tone.
another question here is, would the tap tone be consistent all throughout the beam of wood? i read somewhere that wood in the lower part of a trunk will sound different from wood further up. there's just too many variables, the brain would explode. :lol:
I don't think it would be consistent. But to me it's a fool's errand to do that in a log because we would have to cut the log into workable planks. So I only tap the plates that are cut to specs. I've read that some luthiers check for tap tone in a log. :? Another salestalk/wow factor to push their work. :lol: "the tone is warm/bright in this log!" WTF?! Hahaha Unless we use the whole log and string it up as is :-D it's a waste of time.
Now look what you've done, I wanna go on a road trip south :lol:
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on February 15, 2011, 01:48:23 PM
it is but really dense too. which means that you can thin it down a bit more without fear of its structural integrity. but i haven't worked with narra before so i'm just going by with what others have told me :-D
sa australia ginagamit nila narra for guitars. sometimes they call it new guinea rosewood pero di naman rosewood. it looks really good, and they say it sounds really good too.
if i get some narra i'll definitely work with it
I have an old Narra wood at the back of my in-laws house in Bulacan. I wanted to saw it into separate planks but i don't know where to start ha ha ha...
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 15, 2011, 03:17:29 PM
I have an old Narra wood at the back of my in-laws house in Bulacan. I wanted to saw it into separate planks but i don't know where to start ha ha ha...
That's my problem too. We can find wood, that's easy, but to find a mill that will cut the planks to workable sizes is the trouble. Anyone know anything about this?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: stringman on February 15, 2011, 03:36:27 PM
That's my problem too. We can find wood, that's easy, but to find a mill that will cut the planks to workable sizes is the trouble. Anyone know anything about this?
Grabe tigas nung wood. Even my jigsaw can't cut it!
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 15, 2011, 03:51:57 PM
Grabe tigas nung wood. Even my jigsaw can't cut it!
A jigsaw doesn't have enough power to cut narra, as you have found out :-D What we need is at least a 14 inch bandsaw with high tension blades. Even with that the blade will blunt and if you go too fast the bandsaw's motor may overheat.
Can you take pics of it please? I'm curious
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: stringman on February 15, 2011, 04:06:41 PM
A jigsaw doesn't have enough power to cut narra, as you have found out :-D What we need is at least a 14 inch bandsaw with high tension blades. Even with that the blade will blunt and if you go too fast the bandsaw's motor may overheat.
Can you take pics of it please? I'm curious
I'll take a picture when I get back at Bulacan. The size of the wood is almost a whole door.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 15, 2011, 06:10:20 PM
Let's cut that bad boy into workable pieces :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: alex_kayat on February 15, 2011, 07:38:33 PM
pwede ba gamitan ng circular saw or chain saw?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 15, 2011, 08:17:43 PM
the thing is with these saws the blade is not fixed on a stable fixture. chain saw is dangerous since the long blade may move left or right and if you don't know how to use one it may get bloody. so to me no on the chainsaw. besides it can't make fine cuts. its only for trees and twigs
circular saw can be used for initial cuts. but i'd rather use a table saw where its the wood that we push to the blade instead of the other way around. and i'd rather have someone else do it for me even though i know how to use one. takot talaga ako sa table saw. i only used them when no one else will do it for me. one time the piece of wood i was cutting slipped and the blade threw it across the room denting the wall. it turned the fretboard into a spear. yikes!!! but can you imagine that in a circular saw, where the blade can throw itself across the room? dapat gamay mo yung gamit.
pwede circular saw (straight cuts only), but i recommend that the blade must be new and very sharp and you know how to use one. and it has to be powerful enough, no less than 1 hp. if not, the motor can't drive the blade in the wood and the saw may slip. yikes!
but for thin plates for acoustic sets bandsaw talaga.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: alex_kayat on February 15, 2011, 09:11:46 PM
sir, i've just searched youtube, they use chainsaw to cut logs into lumber. They fabricated a jig for the chainsaw.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on February 15, 2011, 09:19:56 PM
I found a place that offers woodcutting services here in Taytay. I'll check their rates when I have the time to drop by. :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 15, 2011, 10:15:41 PM
I found a place that offers woodcutting services here in Taytay. I'll check their rates when I have the time to drop by. :-)
cooool!
ask what kind of machines they have as well. no use bringing old growth wood to a place that says they can do the job but in reality just said yes just to take your business. take pics if you can. thanks!!
i hope they can mill wood to thin plates.
we're getting somewhere, boys... :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: stringman on February 16, 2011, 05:45:42 AM
ask what kind of machines they have as well. no use bringing old growth wood to a place that says they can do the job but in reality just said yes just to take your business. take pics if you can. thanks!!
i hope they can mill wood to thin plates.
we're getting somewhere, boys... :-)
The place is located between Federal Hardware and a shop that makes customized furniture. Hopefully they can accomodate our requests. :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 16, 2011, 08:15:43 AM
It's looking promising :-D
Anyone else knows of a mill anywhere else?
This looks good...
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: kurtseth on February 16, 2011, 08:23:13 AM
the thing is with these saws the blade is not fixed on a stable fixture. chain saw is dangerous since the long blade may move left or right and if you don't know how to use one it may get bloody. so to me no on the chainsaw. besides it can't make fine cuts. its only for trees and twigs
circular saw can be used for initial cuts. but i'd rather use a table saw where its the wood that we push to the blade instead of the other way around. and i'd rather have someone else do it for me even though i know how to use one. takot talaga ako sa table saw. i only used them when no one else will do it for me. one time the piece of wood i was cutting slipped and the blade threw it across the room denting the wall. it turned the fretboard into a spear. yikes!!! but can you imagine that in a circular saw, where the blade can throw itself across the room? dapat gamay mo yung gamit.
pwede circular saw (straight cuts only), but i recommend that the blade must be new and very sharp and you know how to use one. and it has to be powerful enough, no less than 1 hp. if not, the motor can't drive the blade in the wood and the saw may slip. yikes!
but for thin plates for acoustic sets bandsaw talaga.
wow parang freak accidents ng final destination movies xD
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 16, 2011, 08:29:51 AM
wow parang freak accidents ng final destination movies xD
I know bro! My guess is that the writers get their ideas from things like this. :-o
But my point is I don't recommend folks to go out and borrow power tools if they have no experience using them. and for a job like milling wood for guitars. A excited guitarist with a circular saw and a chunk of really hardwood. A recipe for disaster.
I say let the pros do it. I wouldn't hehehehe
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on February 16, 2011, 09:45:51 AM
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 16, 2011, 01:53:59 PM
Nice! Is this local wood? Looks like ziricote to me
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on February 16, 2011, 01:58:36 PM
this thread is going somewhere! :-D
i spend my free time browsing LMII and estimating costs for different types of wood combinations for both acoustic and electric. if local wood can prove to be as diverse and suitable for guitar building, i might not need to visit that site too often!
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on February 16, 2011, 02:13:38 PM
Nice! Is this local wood? Looks like ziricote to me
I know. Something about exotic woods that get me excited. Hahaha!
For the fretboard, what local wood would you consider?
@jbarot: Since you have some experience working with local wood for your gutiars, I have a question for you. How would you descibe the acoustic quality of the different local woods when tap-tuned (Dark, bright)? Narra, Kamagong, Molave, etc.
I was considering shaping a body then getting a replacement neck to match it. Of course there's the bright maple and the dark rosewood to consider.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 16, 2011, 02:16:10 PM
i spend my free time browsing LMII and estimating costs for different types of wood combinations for both acoustic and electric. if local wood can prove to be as diverse and suitable for guitar building, i might not need to visit that site too often!
Bro if you think their website is something, you should see the warehouse! Nakaka depress kasi I can't buy them all :cry: shoulda bought that African blackwood set when they offered it to me at half price! I'm such an idiot. :roll: the kit wizard will drive you crazy The options are mind blowing.
Now I miss their sales, when they sell the sub par woods by the pound regardless of species and part. :cry: And they have lots of rejects becuase of a few minor flaws. Thank God For their high standards, otherwise a bottom feeder like me can only watch and drool. :cry: :cry:
Let's get these local woods going!
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on February 16, 2011, 02:18:32 PM
I know. Something about exotic woods that get me excited. Hahaha!
For the fretboard, what local wood would you consider?
@jbarot: Since you have some experience working with local wood for your gutiars, I have a question for you. How would you descibe the acoustic quality of the different local woods when tap-tuned (Dark, bright)? Narra, Kamagong, Molave, etc.
I was considering shaping a body then getting a replacement neck to match it. Of course there's the bright maple and the dark rosewood to consider.
The only experience I have with local wood is with kamagong. Like most ebonies it sounds dead when you tap it but somehow it works well. But I seem allergic to it so I'm avoiding it for now. I hope that my experience with local woods expands. I really think we're onto something here.
The thing with tap tuning is that it's open to debate, kind of like the tone debate we're seeing on another thread on this forum :-D. Subjective. Carl Thompson, the bass luthier guru (he made les claypool's basses) says that when a customer orders and says something like "I want it to sound dark, bright, or whatever" he only scratches his head because it's so hard to quantify. For me when I tap tune I look for a bell like sound. when I go through raw plates I look for a metallic sound when I tap it. It should sound like a sheet of aluminum when you tap it.
There are lots of articles re tap tuning, from the simple to the nerd like complete with graphs and equations.
I think I'm swerving off topic... :lol:
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on February 16, 2011, 02:50:07 PM
For me when I tap tune I look for a bell like sound. when I go through raw plates I look for a metallic sound when I tap it. It should sound like a sheet of aluminum when you tap it.
I see. So basically you're looking for quality wood with minimal dead spots that resonates when tapped. Simple enough. I think. :-P
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 16, 2011, 02:59:16 PM
I see. So basically you're looking for quality wood with minimal dead spots that resonates when tapped. Simple enough. I think. :-P
That's how I do it, bro :-)
But here the plot thickens. With raw plates the tone will change once you thin it. With a simple stroke of a hand plane or sandpaper the sound can change dramatically. Shaving off 0.5 mm from a plate makes a world of difference. It may be for the good or bad.
Likewise with bad sounding wood, it may turn out great once you thin it. So some add cross grain stiffness to their choosing criteria. And don't get them started on chlandi testing...
So for me I need more practice. Experience pa mate. But this is what makes me do this, the thrill is in the hunt sometimes.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on February 16, 2011, 03:34:33 PM
Bro if you think their website is something, you should see the warehouse! Nakaka depress kasi I can't buy them all :cry: shoulda bought that African blackwood set when they offered it to me at half price! I'm such an idiot. :roll: the kit wizard will drive you crazy The options are mind blowing.
Now I miss their sales, when they sell the sub par woods by the pound regardless of species and part. :cry: And they have lots of rejects becuase of a few minor flaws. Thank God For their high standards, otherwise a bottom feeder like me can only watch and drool. :cry: :cry:
Let's get these local woods going!
hay...if and when i get the chance to visit the US, i won't pass on the chance to visit their warehouse and purchase wood and other stuff. :-D
hay...if and when i get the chance to visit the US, i won't pass on the chance to visit their warehouse and purchase wood and other stuff. :-D
sana may ganyan din dito. :-)
I'm sure somewhere here in Manila there is a stash of wood planks from old houses. I fantasize that there is this old rickety house about to be demolished that once belonged to a rich guy, and he used rosewood and Honduran mahogany for his fixtures.
It's out there boys, we just have to look for it.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 16, 2011, 04:07:19 PM
Anybody intrested in a Group buy of African Mahogany and Walnut?
sizes are 22x14x2 inches and 30x4x3 inches. S2S.
Estimated price Php 500.00 each (I'm still negotiating with the supplier) for the final quote.
I'm listening. What kind of African mahogany? What kind of walnut? How close are they to quarter sawn? Pics would be nice
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: redballs17 on February 16, 2011, 04:15:25 PM
@jbarot I still owe you some pics of some of my woods. :wink: I'll have plenty of time tom.
My Dad makes furnitures as his hobby. So I've experience hunting different kinds of wood here in manila. Most of them are based on VISMIN but have a small warehouse here. And most of the have very limited stocks. I remember theres one in pasig near ortigas extension ( a small gate with a huge warehouse). The other one is in valenzuela (which I think its gone), they mostly sell illegal kinds of wood.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on February 16, 2011, 04:21:17 PM
@jbarot I still owe you some pics of some of my woods. :wink: I'll have plenty of time tom.
My Dad makes furnitures as his hobby. So I've experience hunting different kinds of wood here in manila. Most of them are based on VISMIN but have a small warehouse here. And most of the have very limited stocks. I remember theres one in pasig near ortigas extension ( a small gate with a huge warehouse). The other one is in valenzuela (which I think its gone), they mostly sell illegal kinds of wood.
do you know where in ortigas? do they accommodate walkins?
thanks for this info :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on February 16, 2011, 04:37:50 PM
@jbarot I still owe you some pics of some of my woods. :wink: I'll have plenty of time tom.
My Dad makes furnitures as his hobby. So I've experience hunting different kinds of wood here in manila. Most of them are based on VISMIN but have a small warehouse here. And most of the have very limited stocks. I remember theres one in pasig near ortigas extension ( a small gate with a huge warehouse). The other one is in valenzuela (which I think its gone), they mostly sell illegal kinds of wood.
Wait. I live near there. PM Sent!
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: redballs17 on February 16, 2011, 05:39:39 PM
my dad always alway wants me to intruduce myself as a representative of our comapany and ask if I can purcahse a small amount for samples. Most of the wood suppliers here in our country will never sell their stocks in small amounts, and dont expect them to cut a specific size unless your going to buy the whole lot. Good thing my dad has a registered company (small one :-D) which we use in purchasing wood for his hobby.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: redballs17 on February 16, 2011, 05:54:15 PM
The one near ortigas is by appointment (I think). Last time I was there was 3-4 years ago.
Thank God I remember the site. http://www.idewood.com/index.php?pid=8 <===Their wharehouse is in pasig.
Do I smell a fieldtrip? :lol:
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: Rmansh on February 16, 2011, 05:55:47 PM
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 16, 2011, 05:57:22 PM
cooool!
for instrument grade we're looking for straight grained. the wavey figure is nice and all but its not stable enough to withstand all the string tension. see if you can negotiate/handpick the straight grained ones
i do smell a fieldtrip :evil:
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: redballs17 on February 16, 2011, 06:07:46 PM
for instrument grade we're looking for straight grained. the wavey figure is nice and all but its not stable enough to withstand all the string tension. see if you can negotiate/handpick the straight grained ones
i do smell a fieldtrip :evil:
Ok. I'll ask them tom.
The philippine rosewood that I stated before is identical to the ones in the site. I'll ask my dad's contact in pasig to schedule our mini fieldtrip. I guess free2rock is also intrested in going. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on February 16, 2011, 06:09:18 PM
based on their site, looks like their main office is in Makati.
Yup but their warehouse is in pasig area. They told me that philippine rosewoods are mainly use as floorings for boats and kitchenware. I'll try to post some pics of it tom.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: alex_kayat on February 16, 2011, 06:32:33 PM
isama nyo ko dyan sa fieldtrip ! :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 16, 2011, 06:38:24 PM
How much profit sa pang plant ng mahogany or narra? Also how long does it take to grow for producing lumber?
a long time. for instrument grade the log should be at least a 2 meters in diameter. if this works out i don't know where to put the stash without my wife noticing! hehehehe
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: alex_kayat on February 16, 2011, 06:57:13 PM
a long time. for instrument grade the log should be at least a 2 meters in diameter. if this works out i don't know where to put the stash without my wife noticing! hehehehe
Naku bka, nde kna abutin ang pag harvest. Mango nalang pala itatanim ko :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: kawal on February 16, 2011, 07:37:41 PM
nice thread. since tropical naman ang bansa natin, i'm sure malaki ang potential natin for wood with good tonal characteristics. sana lang wag nating tangkilikin yung mga illegal na pagputol ng mga puno at pag-ubos sa kagubatan.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on February 16, 2011, 11:09:52 PM
then what would you call the rosewood mentioned in the website bro? indian rosewood perhaps?
buti malapit lang yung warehouse! not in a far-flung province! :-D
I believe it not an indian rosewood. My strat fretboard has a different grain pattern and if it is I'm one hell of a lucky guy for having an 8ft board. :-D
I wasn't able to took pictures of some of my woods live I have as promised. But thankfully I saw some scraps of the said P. Rosewood on my wife's desk (she use it as paperweight :-D).
then what would you call the rosewood mentioned in the website bro? indian rosewood perhaps?
buti malapit lang yung warehouse! not in a far-flung province! :-D
rosewoods are members of the dalbergia genus. so its scientific name should start with "dalbergia" like dalbergia latifolia - indian rosewood dalbergia nigra - brazilian rosewood dalbergia retusa - cocobolo
and so on
but this looks promising. looking at the grain orientation from the scrap redballz17 has posted, the stuff can be used for back and sides. it barely passes but hey, pwede na!
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 17, 2011, 07:14:44 AM
btw redballz17, if your dad make furniture, what tools does he have? can i see his work too? :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: redballs17 on February 17, 2011, 08:34:04 AM
my dad has basic hand tools like hand drill, grinder, router, and circular saw. I'll try to post some pics of his works if time permits. :-)
I believe the warehouse in pasig has a complete line up of tools, like band saw, table saw, belt sander, etc...
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on February 17, 2011, 11:13:52 AM
This is a very interesting development! :-)
Make sure you include me when you'll be finalizing details. This just might be the push I need to get started in building guitars. My days as a lurker at MLP and TDPRI may be over. Hahaha! :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 17, 2011, 11:33:53 AM
here's more to entice you with bro:
just got a reply from weng at ancestral building materials:
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Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on February 17, 2011, 11:38:17 AM
That does it! I propose a Field Trip! :lol:
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: redballs17 on February 17, 2011, 11:56:23 AM
Nice find! Thanks!! :-) So "Igem Dagat" (Podocarpus Costalis) is a conifer species.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 17, 2011, 12:52:58 PM
Let's sked this so that allthose who are interested can come along in ortigas.
But beware, it may end up as a disappointment. I've been to these wood hunts and most of the time the stuff is not up to par. Be hopeful, but don't get your hopes up too much
But the thrill is in the hunt :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on February 17, 2011, 01:03:36 PM
Let's sked this so that all this interested can come along in ortigas.
But beware, it may end up as a disappointment. I've been to these wood hunts and most of the time the stuff is not up to par. Be hopeful, but don't get your hopes up too much
But the thrill is in the hunt :-D
That's okay. I'll be there for the learning experience, anyway. If I simply wanted to build a solidbody, I can always save up and purchase a decent wood blank online.
But it seems more exciting this way. Hahaha! ;-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 17, 2011, 01:40:16 PM
That's okay. I'll be there for the learning experience, anyway. If I simply wanted to build a solidbody, I can always save up and purchase a decent wood blank online.
But it seems more exciting this way. Hahaha! ;-)
I'm hoping at least I get some wood suitable for necks. Even if it's flat sawn I could make 3 or 5 piece laminate necks. Or maybe a few 2 or 3 piece solid body blanks.
Who knows? :evil:
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: redballs17 on February 17, 2011, 06:31:58 PM
some pictures of the woods I acquired in Pasig.
the said Philippine Rosewood. (http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj66/redballs17/Picture007.jpg) (http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj66/redballs17/Picture006.jpg)
Maple (http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj66/redballs17/Picture016.jpg) (http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj66/redballs17/Picture015.jpg) (http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj66/redballs17/Picture012.jpg)
Question, Can use Birch for the neck? (http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj66/redballs17/Picture021.jpg)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: alex_kayat on February 17, 2011, 07:43:14 PM
...wow penge nyan
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on February 17, 2011, 08:12:03 PM
very curious. the "philippine" rosewood looks lighter than indian rosewood or cocobolo. maybe not really a rosewood. pau ferro? wishful thinking. :-D
birch! i would want some birch but for a non-guitar related item. cajon. :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on February 17, 2011, 08:53:54 PM
very curious. the "philippine" rosewood looks lighter than indian rosewood or cocobolo. maybe not really a rosewood. pau ferro? wishful thinking. :-D
birch! i would want some birch but for a non-guitar related item. cajon. :-D
It's not pau ferro. It's something else. It's scientific name is on their website. I Forget what tho
The "Philippine rosewood" looks good. I think it can be used for fretboards. In fact if you can slice it from it's thin side it can be 2 side sets, and just find a matching back set. Sana may malaking bandsaw
I'm afraid that the maple's curved grain cannot be used as a neck. Or at least I won't.
I'm really interested in their plantation mahogany
BirCh can be used for necks, as long as the grain runs from end to end straight
Cute kid by the way :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on February 18, 2011, 08:58:04 AM
Share ko lang. Naalala ko ito nung nai-share ni jbarot yung www.malatumbaga.com
If you have some time to spare, there's lots of old wood and furnitures in dimasalang manila. Its like a junkshop from old ruins. And if your very lucky you might see slabs of wood that came from the renovated train station. I wonder how would it sounds if turned into a guitar? old wood + can absorb vibrations that came from the train = chug chug tones :lol:
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on February 18, 2011, 10:33:46 AM
i find the grains a bit weird..maybe just not my taste, especially with those circular things (don't know what they're called but i see them in furniture). looks like a 4-piece body at the least. i prefer either 1 or 2-piece bodies.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 18, 2011, 10:40:57 AM
i find the grains a bit weird..maybe just not my taste, especially with those circular things (don't know what they're called but i see them in furniture). looks like a 4-piece body at the least. i prefer either 1 or 2-piece bodies.
They're called knots. :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on February 18, 2011, 11:05:20 AM
You'll find those on Swamp Ash as well. You just put filler on it. :-)
yeah but they are just too defined on that photo. i don't like it aesthetically. ok sa akin kahit grain pattern lang. kahit nga hindi straight and tight when it comes to solidbody wood. :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 18, 2011, 12:17:17 PM
yeah but they are just too defined on that photo. i don't like it aesthetically. ok sa akin kahit grain pattern lang. kahit nga hindi straight and tight when it comes to solidbody wood. :-)
Knots are ok with solid bodies -- up to a point. They're a no no on acoustics, and never use them with necks.
But the best flamenco guitars I've heard had small knots on them. My flamenco has two, but I flooded it wit superglue.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on February 18, 2011, 12:29:20 PM
i have 2 planks of narra...and a luthier told me to get them dried before i have them shaped and routed.
does anyone here know where i can have them kiln dried? does anyone here own a kiln/oven?
Some say 200 degrees farenheit over night in an oven should do the trick. But To me air dried is best. Just leave it in a garage or your room stickered. They say 1year per inch of thickness. Haste makes waste, so take your time.
Any pics? :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: shodawmoon on February 18, 2011, 02:36:39 PM
Some say 200 degrees farenheit over night in an oven should do the trick. But To me air dried is best. Just leave it in a garage or your room stickered. They say 1year per inch of thickness. Haste makes waste, so take your time.
Any pics? :-D
can you expound on this sir? im not sure how this is done.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: redballs17 on February 18, 2011, 02:38:43 PM
Anybody seen or even heard about Curly Pyinma? Been looking for a local alternative to maple.
can expound on this sir? im not sure how this is done.
Ay sorry bro!
Stickering is just putting two 1/4 x1/4 inch sticks on the base of the wood. That way air can travel under the wood, kasi kung walang sticks at sahig o shelf Lang naka rest yung wood, mabagal ang seasoning. Parang tuntungan.
Good luck!
Pics? :-D :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: shodawmoon on February 18, 2011, 02:52:40 PM
Stickering is just putting two 1/4 x1/4 inch sticks on the base of the wood. That way air can travel under the wood, kasi kung walang sticks at sahig o shelf Lang naka rest yung wood, mabagal ang seasoning. Parang tuntungan.
Good luck!
Pics? :-D :-D
ohhh...sige will get to that right away.
SLAB/PLANK 1 (http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e270/shodawmoon/DSC_0309.jpg) SLAB/PLANK 2 (http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e270/shodawmoon/DSC_0308.jpg) SIDE OF PLANK 2 (http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e270/shodawmoon/DSC_0307-850.jpg)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 18, 2011, 02:56:43 PM
Nice! Sticker it and forget about it for now. You don't want to rush and make a guitar out of it, then to find out it will move or crack.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: Rmansh on February 18, 2011, 03:14:31 PM
^ ang ganda ng grains nun mga kahoy. ang layu dun sa strippeed rj ko :-D. i just found out yun wood pala e pareho nun arm chair sa school :lol:
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: shodawmoon on February 18, 2011, 03:24:51 PM
Nice! Sticker it and forget about it for now. You don't want to rush and make a guitar out of it, then to find out it will move or crack.
oh yeah, btw.
they've been with me for quite some time now. and PLANK 1 has a huge crack in the middle all the way down covering about 3/4 the length of the plank.
while plank 2 doesnt have any huge cracks, just really small short ones.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 18, 2011, 03:34:36 PM
Is the crack on the big one seen on the other side? How wide is the crack? Or is it hairline? Cracks appear when the wood gets dry. I'd put it outdoors (under a shade or a shed, away from sun and elements). The humidity should close it up over time, just keep it away from the sun. If after a few months the crack is still there you'll have to work around it. Thin it, turn it into a drop top over a mahogany body. Yum! Just pour superglue on the cracks, clamp and there!
Or you can just donate it to my stash :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: shodawmoon on February 18, 2011, 03:46:52 PM
Is the crack on the big one seen on the other side? How wide is the crack? Or is it hairline? Cracks appear when the wood gets dry. I'd put it outdoors (under a shade or a shed, away from sun and elements). The humidity should close it up over time, just keep it away from the sun. If after a few months the crack is still there you'll have to work around it. Thin it, turn it into a drop top over a mahogany body. Yum! Just pour superglue on the cracks, clamp and there!
Or you can just donate it to my stash :lol: :lol:
hahaha
I'll take pictures asap. and i think im gonna work around them cracks...they're just huge.
these pictures were taken around last july.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 18, 2011, 03:55:14 PM
i organized my partial wood stash, the really good ones which are in my bedroom closet. pics before organizing. my mahogany/spanish cedar neck woods area. (with a few ebony and pau ferro bridge blanks) (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9422.jpg)
my soundboard area (with a few ebony fretboard planks) (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9420.jpg) behind this pile are my back and side sets. it's a mess
but i need to look at other pics! my wife told me that sometimes she wishes that i look at porn instead. but this is my porn! :lol: :lol: :lol:
i really should finish that 7 string...
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on February 20, 2011, 05:33:39 PM
Getting a woody on wood. Imagine that :-P
That's a lot of wood!
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 20, 2011, 06:43:56 PM
i organized my partial wood stash, the really good ones which are in my bedroom closet. pics before organizing. my mahogany/spanish cedar neck woods area. (with a few ebony and pau ferro bridge blanks) http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9422.jpg
my soundboard area (with a few ebony fretboard planks) http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9420.jpg behind this pile are my back and side sets. it's a mess
but i need to look at other pics! my wife told me that sometimes she wishes that i look at porn instead. but this is my porn! :lol: :lol: :lol:
i really should finish that 7 string...
wow that's a lot of wood! i would really want some pau ferro for my fingerboard just in case i will have a custom strat made. :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 21, 2011, 11:14:31 AM
wow that's a lot of wood! i would really want some pau ferro for my fingerboard just in case i will have a custom strat made. :-D
Pau ferro is really hard and non porous. Really nice grain. But next to cocobolo it causes the most allergies, and the reaction is more severe than cocorose.
Good thing I'm not allergic to it :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: redballs17 on February 21, 2011, 11:34:19 AM
@jbarot That's a huge stash you got there. :-o
I've contaced the supplier from Idlewood, Anyone free this sat. morning? :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: ron21 on February 21, 2011, 11:35:29 AM
you can get pine here maxi iba ibang classe import yun usually
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: redballs17 on February 23, 2011, 10:17:31 PM
@Ahvia
Thanks for the tour yesterday. Went to the shops you've recommended to canvas for some tools. To bad our field trip this Saturday kept me from buying. :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on February 23, 2011, 10:32:46 PM
Thanks for the tour yesterday. Went to the shops you've recommended to canvas for some tools. To bad our field trip this Saturday kept me from buying. :-D
Where did you go?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 24, 2011, 09:48:09 AM
anyways, i still have SLAB #2 (2.25 inches thick and is 22 x 17) , and it doesn't have cracks like that of Slab #1. PM SENT
try working around the crack like what JB suggested then after cutting both ends seal mo lang nang paint or wax, try to measure the cracks at both ends tignan natin baka mag kasya pa kahit na tele lang na body blank
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 25, 2011, 07:45:41 AM
try working around the crack like what JB suggested then after cutting both ends seal mo lang nang paint or wax, try to measure the cracks at both ends tignan natin baka mag kasya pa kahit na tele lang na body blank
or have it cut into back and sides and drop tops. i'll buy a set from that slab :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: stringman on February 25, 2011, 08:48:22 AM
Yeah work around the plank.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: region III on February 25, 2011, 08:56:01 AM
dudes, anong pinaka best glue to use to glue 2 planks of wood together? tnx
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on February 25, 2011, 09:35:31 AM
dudes, anong pinaka best glue to use to glue 2 planks of wood together? tnx
That depends on the wood. Normally, the "Go to" glue is the aliphatic resin glue (Titebond, Elmers, etc.). For vintage correct, there's hide glue or fish glue. Hide glue is absorbed better by wood so it's not the best option for soft and porous wood. Unfortunately, I can't give you an educated opinion since I haven't glued two planks before ;-)
You can browse through the build threads in MLP and TDPRI. It's a treasure trove of info.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 25, 2011, 10:06:01 AM
dudes, anong pinaka best glue to use to glue 2 planks of wood together? tnx
Elmer's glue will do. if you can find titebond, better. Speaking of which, where can I get titebond here? It's less vicous and very clear when it cures. I have hide glue but preparing it is a hassle.
And if you're gluing planks that are more than 1.5 inches thick and 8 inches wide your clamp has to be heavy duty. Otherwise any other clamp can't squeeze the two plates tight enough.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on February 25, 2011, 12:22:14 PM
lastime naka chamba ako sa mandaluyong yung parang surplus shop i forgot the name pero chambahan lang, maybe we can group buy next time sa US buo nalang tayo nang balikbayan box,
will be making a pinecasters in about 2 weeks time and will be selling pine bodies strat and tele bodies cheap lang mura lang naman ang pine
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on February 25, 2011, 12:32:33 PM
lastime naka chamba ako sa mandaluyong yung parang surplus shop i forgot the name pero chambahan lang, maybe we can group buy next time sa US buo nalang tayo nang balikbayan box,
yeah i remember before sayang hindi ako nakasabay. :lol:
Was wondering why Mike uses Pine for his strat and tele bodies. What is the sound characteristic of Pine? bright i am guessing?
check arlo west pinecaster video via youtube been a fan of his sound and alot of it is being attributed with the pine body, most probably mike is a big fan of pinecaster builds via TDPRI,
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: Rmansh on February 25, 2011, 02:05:04 PM
lastime naka chamba ako sa mandaluyong yung parang surplus shop i forgot the name pero chambahan lang, maybe we can group buy next time sa US buo nalang tayo nang balikbayan box,
will be making a pinecasters in about 2 weeks time and will be selling pine bodies strat and tele bodies cheap lang mura lang naman ang pine
how cheap? :evil:
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 25, 2011, 02:06:31 PM
lastime naka chamba ako sa mandaluyong yung parang surplus shop i forgot the name pero chambahan lang, maybe we can group buy next time sa US buo nalang tayo nang balikbayan box
sounds good. There are a few items I need for my next project which are not available here
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on February 25, 2011, 02:10:06 PM
sounds good. There are a few items I need for my next project which are not available here
lets talk about this tom when we go wood hunting hehehehehe will need to get your wires in my shop pa pala baka makalimutan ko hahahaha more or less thats 9ft worth of wire good for 2 guitars with extra pa
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 25, 2011, 02:14:40 PM
lets talk about this tom when we go wood hunting hehehehehe will need to get your wires in my shop pa pala baka makalimutan ko hahahaha more or less thats 9ft worth of wire good for 2 guitars with extra pa
You're class A bro. Do you want EJ's new cd and the internet release only? Any other cd of him you're interested?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on February 25, 2011, 02:20:50 PM
You're class A bro. Do you want EJ's new cd and the internet release only? Any other cd of him you're interested?
kahit ano JB ill take basta from the heart hahahahaha anything you would like to share with me id take and be more than grateful, kokonti lang tayo and this is a small community kaya dapat tulungan (Kampay) :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: Rmansh on February 25, 2011, 02:25:08 PM
and yes i have build tele's before showed redballs a tele im building right now pero tinatamad pa akong tapusin its my dad's friends tele actually not mine paint job nalang kulang im having health issues kaya andami kong pending, i promised a few guys here that id be building them free customs like masterchox, fidel etc... about a year ago pero d ko pa nagawa kasi last year i was having health issues but im really optimistic this march that id be back on track,
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 25, 2011, 02:32:59 PM
kahit ano JB ill take basta from the heart hahahahaha anything you would like to share with me id take and be more than grateful, kokonti lang tayo and this is a small community kaya dapat tulungan (Kampay) :-D
consider it done my friend :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on February 25, 2011, 03:07:54 PM
and yes i have build tele's before showed redballs a tele im building right now pero tinatamad pa akong tapusin its my dad's friends tele actually not mine paint job nalang kulang im having health issues kaya andami kong pending, i promised a few guys here that id be building them free customs like masterchox, fidel etc... about a year ago pero d ko pa nagawa kasi last year i was having health issues but im really optimistic this march that id be back on track,
best of luck bro! :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: Rmansh on February 25, 2011, 03:10:01 PM
and yes i have build tele's before showed redballs a tele im building right now pero tinatamad pa akong tapusin its my dad's friends tele actually not mine paint job nalang kulang im having health issues kaya andami kong pending, i promised a few guys here that id be building them free customs like masterchox, fidel etc... about a year ago pero d ko pa nagawa kasi last year i was having health issues but im really optimistic this march that id be back on track,
good luck on the build sir, i'd prefer "build threads" over tone-talk threads :-D maybe its time to sticky a "luthier thread" masaya manood ng threads ng mga masters :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on February 25, 2011, 03:15:41 PM
good luck on the build sir, i'd prefer "build threads" over tone-talk threads :-D maybe its time to sticky a "luthier thread" masaya manood ng threads ng mga masters :-)
tone is in the luthier. :lol:
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on February 25, 2011, 05:35:38 PM
i'm planning to purchase some wood blanks this year but i won't give them to a luthier until next year. what's the best way to store them at home? :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 25, 2011, 05:46:59 PM
i'm planning to purchase some wood blanks this year but i won't give them to a luthier until next year. what's the best way to store them at home? :-)
i store mine (my rosewoods and walnuts) in our upper shelves in our bedroom closet. wife thinks i'm crazy hehehe
but you can just store them in a place away from the elements. away from moisture and heat. just put two sticks on the base of the wood so that air can flow freely on its underside. it's called stickering wood. i put my large planks in the garage.
if its green wood expect it to move (warp) a bit, when it does don't worry, it will settle in time. better it to move now as a plank than as a guitar, no? :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on February 25, 2011, 06:09:17 PM
i store mine (my rosewoods and walnuts) in our upper shelves in our bedroom closet. wife thinks i'm crazy hehehe
but you can just store them in a place away from the elements. away from moisture and heat. just put two sticks on the base of the wood so that air can flow freely on its underside. it's called stickering wood. i put my large planks in the garage.
if its green wood expect it to move (warp) a bit, when it does don't worry, it will settle in time. better it to move now as a plank than as a guitar, no? :-D
away from moisture and heat? kinda hard to do here in our beloved country. :-D
i'm thinking of storing it in my closet as well or in one of my cabinets in my room. or maybe in our bodega in the garage. mukhang mas safe dun. ash body planks if ever. will it be ok there?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: stringman on February 25, 2011, 06:28:45 PM
P)Ine wood is a bit dark right? Thinking doing a tele project next time.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 25, 2011, 06:30:24 PM
away from moisture and heat? kinda hard to do here in our beloved country. :-D
i'm thinking of storing it in my closet as well or in one of my cabinets in my room. or maybe in our bodega in the garage. mukhang mas safe dun. ash body planks if ever. will it be ok there?
i think it will be safer along with my stash :-D :-D :-D kidding aside, i think it will be ok, esp in the garage. you don't want it to be too protected, you'd want it to acclimate in our environment.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on February 25, 2011, 06:39:55 PM
and yes i have build tele's before showed redballs a tele im building right now pero tinatamad pa akong tapusin its my dad's friends tele actually not mine paint job nalang kulang im having health issues kaya andami kong pending, i promised a few guys here that id be building them free customs like masterchox, fidel etc... about a year ago pero d ko pa nagawa kasi last year i was having health issues but im really optimistic this march that id be back on track,
Wow. Sounds great. We'll talk tomorrow.
I smell an Esquire brewing here... Hahaha! :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 25, 2011, 07:30:52 PM
What wood can do :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on February 25, 2011, 08:00:45 PM
i think it will be safer along with my stash :-D :-D :-D kidding aside, i think it will be ok, esp in the garage. you don't want it to be too protected, you'd want it to acclimate in our environment.
actually bro, i was considering that option if you wouldn't mind. :-D
yeah...good point. since when it comes a guitar it will be exposed to the environment anyway. thanks for the inputs man! :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: orangeogre on February 26, 2011, 12:04:40 PM
Read about this builder Ron Kirn who also uses 100 year old pine as body for his guitars. Also read from his website that Leo used pine for the first few Broadcasters then switched to ash. Interesting.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: r_chino18 on February 26, 2011, 02:01:26 PM
@Jbarot
Bro, got the chance to visit Wilcon kanina. Regarding the Pinewood stuff, they're treated na rin pala. Weatherwood na daw sila, so may mga organic something na kontra anay na and such.
About the thickness, meron silang 4 inches. Kaso 4x4. Yung sumunod na mas manipis ay 2 inches na lang.
Hey guys... Really sorry I didn't make it kanina. I was in the area early afternoon na... Haay :-(
you missed a good one. i got wood good enough (and large) enough for 2 lacote/panormo guitars. they call it phil rosewood but its not a true dalbergia. it's called toog (Petersianthus Quadrialatus) extremely curious how it will be like as a guitar alex and mikko each got fretboard material. they had quartersawn kalantas (the ones we've seen were not thick enough for bodies, but good enough for necks), teak and more.
i will be back...
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on February 26, 2011, 05:46:01 PM
Bro, got the chance to visit Wilcon kanina. Regarding the Pinewood stuff, they're treated na rin pala. Weatherwood na daw sila, so may mga organic something na kontra anay na and such.
About the thickness, meron silang 4 inches. Kaso 4x4. Yung sumunod na mas manipis ay 2 inches na lang.
you missed a good one. i got wood good enough (and large) enough for 2 lacote/panormo guitars. they call it phil rosewood but its not a true dalbergia. it's called toog (Petersianthus Quadrialatus) extremely curious how it will be like as a guitar alex and mikko each got fretboard material. they had quartersawn kalantas (the ones we've seen were not thick enough for bodies, but good enough for necks), teak and more.
i will be back...
nice meeting you JB really enjoyed the trip with you guys will post pics later hehehehehehe! cant have enough phil RW will be back papakyaw ako! erik thanks for bringing us there had a blast,
JB will bring you to my other wood sources just let me know when ka available
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 26, 2011, 06:39:13 PM
nice meeting you JB really enjoyed the trip with you guys will post pics later hehehehehehe! cant have enough phil RW will be back papakyaw ako! erik thanks for bringing us there had a blast,
JB will bring you to my other wood sources just let me know when ka available
mikko did the cds come out ok?
i had a good time. kulang ang 2 oras sa lugar na yun...
i wanted to dive into that HUGE HUGE pile of wood cutoffs
anyway, here are the new members of my stash: (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9510.jpg) (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9509.jpg) big enough for that lacote prototype i have lined up after the 7 string (i really should finish it :-P)
they have a nice taptone and a little denser than mahogany, not as dense as indian rosewood i can't wait to cut these puppies up for backs and sides and string them up. i'm really curious to how they machine, bend and sound like. i've already chosen a nice set of engelman spruce tops for one set. gotta find a bandsaw, the sooner i process them the sooner i season them.
great find, that place...will be back for the kalantas
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: redballs17 on February 26, 2011, 06:43:22 PM
nice meeting you JB really enjoyed the trip with you guys will post pics later hehehehehehe! cant have enough phil RW will be back papakyaw ako! erik thanks for bringing us there had a blast,
JB will bring you to my other wood sources just let me know when ka available
@AhVia & Jb
No Problem. Nice chatting with you guys and teaching me how to identify good ones from lemons. :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 26, 2011, 07:02:51 PM
mahal yan bro although baka posibble na dahil treated sya ewan ko lang ha pero for a pine wood i find it expensive
I really don't trust treated wood. But this is just my opinion, try it and let us know. It's all about experimentation. :-D Also, it's too small. Nothing wider?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on February 26, 2011, 07:27:20 PM
I really don't trust treated wood. But this is just my opinion, try it and let us know. It's all about experimentation. :-D Also, it's too small. Nothing wider?
i dont use treated wood either, hehehehehehe
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: Rmansh on February 26, 2011, 07:51:41 PM
i think those weatherwoods are for outdoor wall panels or fascia boards, pang construction, well its from Wilcon depot :-D kung treated sya then it might be solignum? thats toxic.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on February 26, 2011, 07:56:33 PM
i think those weatherwoods are for outdoor wall panels or fascia boards, pang construction, well its from Wilcon depot :-D kung treated sya then it might be solignum? thats toxic.
possible hehehehe
considering the price nila nang 2in thick x 8in wide x 10ft long 2400? hehehehe 3pcs nang same dimension nyan dapat instead of just 1
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 26, 2011, 08:23:42 PM
i'd pass on the wilcon pine...
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: redballs17 on February 26, 2011, 08:24:34 PM
btw, my mom in law wants to see your dad's work. can you post pics here?
Hahaha... miko and I had a chat on woods from demolished old ruins in manila (which is really cheap by the way), after which I texted my relatives nearby to check what kinds of wood they have in stocks. They'll try to check it out this wednesday. :lol:
I'll try to gets some pictures of my dad's work within the week. :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 26, 2011, 08:46:55 PM
Hahaha... miko and I had a chat on woods from demolished old ruins in manila (which is really cheap by the way), after which I texted my relatives nearby to check what kinds of wood they have in stocks. They'll try to check it out this wednesday. :lol:
I'll try to gets some pictures of my dad's work within the week. :-)
more wood!!! yehay!!
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: redballs17 on February 26, 2011, 11:15:14 PM
meron ba kayong kilalang luthier na taga pampanga.. hook me up.. wala pa ako nakikilalang matinong luthier dito.
If there's no one decent, the last resort is to do it yourself. It's not as hard as most folks think
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on February 28, 2011, 03:33:59 PM
guys can somebody teach me how to post pics? im using photobucket wanted to post some pine i got just now hehehehe and the Toog ("phil Rosewood") me, jbarot and redballs got last sat.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on February 28, 2011, 03:44:22 PM
guys can somebody teach me how to post pics? im using photobucket wanted to post some pine i got just now hehehehe and the Toog ("phil Rosewood") me, jbarot and redballs got last sat.
copy the IMG code (it will automatically be copied when you click it) then paste it here. :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 28, 2011, 03:55:00 PM
guys can somebody teach me how to post pics? im using photobucket wanted to post some pine i got just now hehehehe and the Toog ("phil Rosewood") me, jbarot and redballs got last sat.
When you upload via photobucket and the pics are in the folder, when you put the arrow on the pic a small window will come out. Click on the "IMG" window and it will copy the code automatically. Then go to the Philmusic board and just press cntrl V to paste the code. It should work fine :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on February 28, 2011, 03:57:18 PM
this is the pine i was talking about, this one is good for around 6 tele body blank and 4 strat all will be 2pc i selected the ones that doesn't have knots only 1 side of the blank has a knot but i got it for free kaya ok lang
Yield From Saturdays trip with JBarot and redballs
this is the pine i was talking about, this one is good for around 6 tele body blank and 4 strat all will be 2pc i selected the ones that doesn't have knots only 1 side of the blank has a knot but i got it for free kaya ok lang
Phil RW 1 ( this one will be made into a RW neck ) while the other 3 will be fingerboard material good for around 6 fingerboard
Phil RW 2
Phil RW 3
Phil RW 4
Nice! I can't help but notice the guitar body stashed at the cupboard in the background... is that what i think it is? lol
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on February 28, 2011, 07:12:42 PM
now we know a place that has a jointer for those blanks hehehehehe 14 inch bandsaw na lang
the place where i get my mahogany has around 6 gigantic Bandsaws more than what we guitar builders need hehehehe but will check the nearer places first so that we dont have to travel far just for re-sawing
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 28, 2011, 07:40:40 PM
sounds good. cant wait to saw the new wood into back and sides. then run them to a drum sander heheheehe
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on February 28, 2011, 08:11:42 PM
BUILD THREAD! BUILD THREAD! :-D
@AhVia_Musicom: I have an old Strat Neck that needs a body :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on February 28, 2011, 08:16:29 PM
this is the pine i was talking about, this one is good for around 6 tele body blank and 4 strat all will be 2pc i selected the ones that doesn't have knots only 1 side of the blank has a knot but i got it for free kaya ok lang
those Phil RW planks look like the real deal. tho i wouldn't use them for acoustic guitar back and sides, they would look pretty good as fingerboard wood. those pine blanks have pretty good grain pattern too! :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: Rmansh on February 28, 2011, 10:17:40 PM
those Phil RW planks look like the real deal. tho i wouldn't use them for acoustic guitar back and sides, they would look pretty good as fingerboard wood. those pine blanks have pretty good grain pattern too! :-D
actually yamaha used toog for back and sides in the early 70s then they switched to laminates. i don't know why they stopped using them, but i suspect its reason is economics rather than TONE. (i'm beginning to hate this word hehehe). i think the taptone is similar to maple (its as heavy as maple tho more porous), but you'll never know until it becomes a guitar. we'll find out :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on March 01, 2011, 08:55:13 AM
actually yamaha used toog for back and sides in the early 70s then they switched to laminates. i don't know why they stopped using them, but i suspect its reason is economics rather than TONE. (i'm beginning to hate this word hehehe). i think the taptone is similar to maple (its as heavy as maple tho more porous), but you'll never know until it becomes a guitar. we'll find out :-D
violin makers also use philippine rosewood as FB hehehehehe
Redballs! sige puntahan natin tapos dalhin natin si JB dun, txt mo lang ako pag gusto mo pumunta sa shop
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 01, 2011, 09:30:49 AM
Saan banda ito? Sana may drum sander din
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: redballs17 on March 01, 2011, 10:02:04 AM
violin makers also use philippine rosewood as FB hehehehehe
Redballs! sige puntahan natin tapos dalhin natin si JB dun, txt mo lang ako pag gusto mo pumunta sa shop
Bad news guys,
Went to batasan area a while ago, too bad the shop I saw yesterday was still closed. I've talked to someone there and he said that their bandsaw is underpowered for hardwoods. :-(
Anyways like, AhVia said, there's lots of shop in the area. :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: stringman on March 01, 2011, 08:33:57 PM
Daming mga power tools ngayon. Just make don't get those China ones.
i wish marami paring MIJ, MIA, or euro made tools unfortunately even the newer makita's yes makita not the lower end maktecs are MIC, to name a few others, dewalt, grizzly, hitachi, even other american tool companies nag MIC narin chambahan lang atsaka not all MIC tools are crap may magaganda din mag perform depende rin minsan yan sa gumagamit, pero as much as possible i buy MIJ tools but a have a whole arsenal of tested and proven MIC tools too
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on March 01, 2011, 11:09:10 PM
i wish marami paring MIJ, MIA, or euro made tools unfortunately even the newer makita's yes makita not the lower end maktecs are MIC, to name a few others, dewalt, grizzly, hitachi, even other american tool companies nag MIC narin chambahan lang atsaka not all MIC tools are crap may magaganda din mag perform depende rin minsan yan sa gumagamit, pero as much as possible i buy MIJ tools but a have a whole arsenal of tested and proven MIC tools too
There are al lot of 2nd hand tools nowadays, mostly surplus dealers are selling them. In Bulacan alone each time I travel I I see about 4 shops that sell surplus tools from Japan and Australia.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: stringman on March 02, 2011, 05:34:22 AM
i wish marami paring MIJ, MIA, or euro made tools unfortunately even the newer makita's yes makita not the lower end maktecs are MIC, to name a few others, dewalt, grizzly, hitachi, even other american tool companies nag MIC narin chambahan lang atsaka not all MIC tools are crap may magaganda din mag perform depende rin minsan yan sa gumagamit, pero as much as possible i buy MIJ tools but a have a whole arsenal of tested and proven MIC tools too
almost everything now is made in china. my porter cable router and laminate trimmer are made in mexico. i think made in china power tools are ok, but one thing i am picky about are my router bits and blades. since they're the ones that are in contact with the workpiece they have to be sharp and of good quality. nothing worse than a blunt bit. it ruins your wood and may even cause injuries
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on March 02, 2011, 08:40:51 AM
There are al lot of 2nd hand tools nowadays, mostly surplus dealers are selling them. In Bulacan alone each time I travel I I see about 4 shops that sell surplus tools from Japan and Australia.
those surplus from aussie land is also china made most of the time ryobi, ozito etc...
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on March 02, 2011, 08:45:41 AM
almost everything now is made in china. my porter cable router and laminate trimmer are made in mexico. i think made in china power tools are ok, but one thing i am picky about are my router bits and blades. since they're the ones that are in contact with the workpiece they have to be sharp and of good quality. nothing worse than a blunt bit. it ruins your wood and may even cause injuries
agree! my band saw blades are MIA and German made hehehehehe my router bits are also good quality tried using china bits before its tear out city
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: redballs17 on March 02, 2011, 10:18:38 AM
I recently busted my hand drill which is made in japan. It has been with us for more than a decade, so I decided to retire it and purchase a new one. For home use I decided to go with the same brand but MIC. Although my old one feels more powerful and sturdy, I don’t have any regrets on buying the MIC. It still serves its purpose.
In our country its hard to ignore MIC products especially if your on a budget or it would just be for home use. The only assurance that you’ll get a good one is to remain on branded products. As long as it has a warranty and service center, your on the safe zone. Just be careful on imitations.
+1 on buying quality bits.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 02, 2011, 11:59:49 AM
Another thing I do is that I dedicate certain tools for certain tasks only. Like my tools for fretting, they never do anything else. There are other saws and files for other things. It's kind of costly but to me it's more practical in the long run, and for fretting, everything has to be in accurate shape.
Same with my hand planes, some are used for general shaving but some are dedicated to a few jobs only. That's why I have lots of them hehehehe.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: quaternotetriplet on March 02, 2011, 12:25:45 PM
wala bang sample builds dyan.. medyo OT
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 02, 2011, 12:34:59 PM
I'm currently building a 7 string hollow body. It's been sitting on my table for weeks now, because I was either not in the mood to work with it or I would rather spend time with my family. I just got frets from miko so there's no excuse form me to not to work on it. So all I need to do is to fret it, figure out the bridge placement, French polish it and put electronics and string it up. Hehehe! I really should finish it. I put up a thread here, it's somewhere in this forum. I should really update it. :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: stringman on March 02, 2011, 12:47:29 PM
I'm currently building a 7 string hollow body. It's been sitting on my table for weeks now, because I was either not in the mood to work with it or I would rather spend time with my family. I just got frets from miko so there's no excuse form me to not to work on it. So all I need to do is to fret it, figure out the bridge placement, French polish it and put electronics and string it up. Hehehe! I really should finish it. I put up a thread here, it's somewhere in this forum. I should really update it. :-D
I'm watching Jbarot's build. I could use tips here.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on March 05, 2011, 10:54:00 PM
I'm currently building a 7 string hollow body. It's been sitting on my table for weeks now, because I was either not in the mood to work with it or I would rather spend time with my family. I just got frets from miko so there's no excuse form me to not to work on it. So all I need to do is to fret it, figure out the bridge placement, French polish it and put electronics and string it up. Hehehe! I really should finish it. I put up a thread here, it's somewhere in this forum. I should really update it. :-D
JB eric found a sash factory that will resaw the toog for us he had his resawn already might take the trip this monday need to have the pine pass thru the jointer, baka next month bili narin ako nang jointer and a bigger bandsaw for resawing para less hassle, regarding the drum sander will need to ask somebody if he will be kind enough to let us use his drum sander
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: Rmansh on March 05, 2011, 11:02:22 PM
mga master, kailangan nyo po ba ng sung-il & wilkinson parts? :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: redballs17 on March 05, 2011, 11:02:47 PM
JB eric found a sash factory that will resaw the toog for us he had his resawn already might take the trip this monday need to have the pine pass thru the jointer, baka next month bili narin ako nang jointer and a bigger bandsaw for resawing para less hassle, regarding the drum sander will need to ask somebody if he will be kind enough to let us use his drum sander
Its just 10 mins away from sandigan bayan. I'll PM you the map tom. :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: redballs17 on March 05, 2011, 11:07:01 PM
its easy to sand. just start with 120 grit sandpaper then work your way up to finer grits. its fairly porous, if you want to fill the pore you'll need a filler :-)
JB eric found a sash factory that will resaw the toog for us he had his resawn already might take the trip this monday need to have the pine pass thru the jointer, baka next month bili narin ako nang jointer and a bigger bandsaw for resawing para less hassle, regarding the drum sander will need to ask somebody if he will be kind enough to let us use his drum sander
yay!!! finally i can get my second project started :-) thanks guys! but monday i can't, coding ang auto ko :-(
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on March 06, 2011, 08:04:32 AM
its easy to sand. just start with 120 grit sandpaper then work your way up to finer grits. its fairly porous, if you want to fill the pore you'll need a filler :-)
yay!!! finally i can get my second project started :-) thanks guys! but monday i can't, coding ang auto ko :-(
ok lang just let me know kailan ka pwede
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 06, 2011, 08:44:34 AM
JB will make a trip either tom or tuesday para sa thursday d tayo mangapa atleast pag natumbok ko tom madali nalang pag sinamahan na kita
thanks miko! :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: siore on March 07, 2011, 09:51:57 AM
Did you guys hear about the moratorium on logging equipment (it's on the newspapers last week)? It's high time to get your hands on the wood you're gonna be needing! Baka mahihirapan kayo kumuha ng source, either magmahal, or mag-hoard yung mga suppliers, or just plain walang makuha.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: Makulba on March 07, 2011, 09:59:51 AM
eto yun stripped body, pinaglaruan ko lang, thinking of repainting it. its a local guitar with a very thick paint, daming layer / coats. wag nyo na tanong if this has the tone and timbre because its just a project guitar :-D any ideas? curious lang :-D (http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy291/rearocker/temp/rj_resize.jpg) (http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy291/rearocker/temp/rj2_resize.jpg) (http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy291/rearocker/temp/rj1_resize.jpg) (http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy291/rearocker/temp/rj3_resize.jpg)
the grain sure looks like aged coco lumber
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: Rmansh on March 07, 2011, 10:37:45 AM
Did you guys hear about the moratorium on logging equipment (it's on the newspapers last week)? It's high time to get your hands on the wood you're gonna be needing! Baka mahihirapan kayo kumuha ng source, either magmahal, or mag-hoard yung mga suppliers, or just plain walang makuha.
pre could you direct me to the article, please? :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: siore on March 07, 2011, 11:18:35 AM
I remember reading it on Philippine Star last week, but here are other sources..
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 07, 2011, 12:31:15 PM
Siore,
Thanks for the info. :-)
Personally I have no problem with the government if they impose and enforce this ban. Our forests have been raped too many times already.
Prices will jump and availability will be hard, it will suck, but if it means to protect our forests ok lang. I'll whine about the prices and such, but I know it's for the better.
I just hope that our government will follow through on this.
Yeah, I think you're right. Time to hoard :lol:
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on March 07, 2011, 08:19:35 PM
Personally I have no problem with the government if they impose and enforce this ban. Our forests have been raped too many times already.
Prices will jump and availability will be hard, it will suck, but if it means to protect our forests ok lang. I'll whine about the prices and such, but I know it's for the better.
I just hope that our government will follow through on this.
Yeah, I think you're right. Time to hoard :lol:
just let me know when you want the hoarding starts ill bring you to other wood sources hehehehehe
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 07, 2011, 08:46:01 PM
vintage. i ask because sometimes in LMII i see indications that flatsawn are used usually for strats. not sure if it's true for tele as well. :-)
some actually think that a flatsawn slab of maple is more sound structurally than a QS one. but its open to debate, and we all know what happens here in philmusic when a can of worms like this is opened :-D but there are old strat necks that are flatsawn that seem to be ok even after all these years.
i think flatsawn is ok, as long as there is no runout. but to be sure i laminate a strip of wood in the middle just in case it evn thinks of moving...
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on March 10, 2011, 08:30:31 PM
some actually think that a flatsawn slab of maple is more sound structurally than a QS one. but its open to debate, and we all know what happens here in philmusic when a can of worms like this is opened :-D but there are old strat necks that are flatsawn that seem to be ok even after all these years.
i think flatsawn is ok, as long as there is no runout. but to be sure i laminate a strip of wood in the middle just in case it evn thinks of moving...
so mas safe pa rin ang QS? i'm not sure because i'm of the impression na basta pag strat/tele, dapat flatsawn. :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on March 10, 2011, 08:37:30 PM
for electric specially fender styles Flatsawn vintage fender are flatsawn,
burst are QS or atleast most of them are
as for me i use both and dont have a preference
you can always laminate an FS neck material in QS hehehehehe
yan ang maganda eh..there are always workarounds to compensate. :-D
mas inclined na ako sa QS kasi stability talaga ang priority ko sa neck. i'm actually leaning toward rock maple versus curly maple because sabi sa LMII mas stable daw yung rock maple.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: redballs17 on March 10, 2011, 11:14:53 PM
From what I read, most vintage tele's are FS that's why some claim it to have a greater tonal quality than the QS. (Too bad I really can't tell the difference in tone :-D)
With regard to curly and flamed maple, it's some sort of abnormality of the wood that's why it tends to be more delicate than normal maple. Personally, I like the curly maple for the looks. :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on March 10, 2011, 11:48:56 PM
yan ang maganda eh..there are always workarounds to compensate. :-D
mas inclined na ako sa QS kasi stability talaga ang priority ko sa neck. i'm actually leaning toward rock maple versus curly maple because sabi sa LMII mas stable daw yung rock maple.
daming QS sa US you can order it, dito saatin chambahan, taga cebu ka naman bro diba? ask troy he can probably help you acquire some QS neck blank, even soft maple is hard hehehehe
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: Makulba on March 11, 2011, 02:41:42 AM
sayang bro nung nag txt ka kakaalis lang namin sana nakasama ka pero dont worry sabihin mo lang kung kailan ka pwede pag ok sched ko dalhin kita sa lahat nang alam kong wood sources
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 11, 2011, 08:50:09 AM
sayang bro nung nag txt ka kakaalis lang namin sana nakasama ka pero dont worry sabihin mo lang kung kailan ka pwede pag ok sched ko dalhin kita sa lahat nang alam kong wood sources
I'll take you up on that offer pag nakaipon na :-P
im contemplating on making a build thread pero tinatamad ako hehehehehe at nahihiya
here is one of the pine blanks being glued together ( will make a couple of pine tele bodies dapat mamaya kaya lang off ni commander kaya spend quality time para more time din sa shop hehehehehe and more budget for wood
eto naman ginawa ko for my brother tapos na eto natural finish pero d ako nacontento sa carve so i striped the lacquer and re work the carve d pa tapos see the stairs?
eto din sa brother ko its a small scale/midi/travel guitar roland g3k or gk3? hehehehe recessed, made out of scrap ash kita nyo yung knot? scale is around 20.706 or something 80% of the gibsons 24.625
daming QS sa US you can order it, dito saatin chambahan, taga cebu ka naman bro diba? ask troy he can probably help you acquire some QS neck blank, even soft maple is hard hehehehe
hindi ako taga-Cebu bro. taga-Manila ako. :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: redballs17 on March 11, 2011, 12:01:05 PM
@maxi - yup its ash. :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 11, 2011, 12:01:46 PM
yung grains kasi nung strat is very similar to ash kaya ako nagtanong. me wants an ash body! :-D
Yesterday when I was looking in eBay I saw an ash body blank with nobody bidding, staring bid was at $20 and there was 6 minutes left. I should have chimed you in. I don't know how much the shipping is and if they even ship here, but for twenty bucks and even if the shipping is at fifty, I think you'll still be up ahead.
Next time I'll let you know when I see something interesting.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 11, 2011, 12:04:23 PM
Yesterday when I was looking in eBay I saw an ash body blank with nobody bidding, staring bid was at $20 and there was 6 minutes left. I should have chimed you in. I don't know how much the shipping is and if they even ship here, but for twenty bucks and even if the shipping is at fifty, I think you'll still be up ahead.
Next time I'll let you know when I see something interesting.
that's a bit risky for me bro since i wouldn't know the quality of the ash body until it arrives here. i want my ash to be light, if possible as light as pine. but thanks for checking eBay! i think i can talk to Ahvia if he has more ash in his stash. :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: redballs17 on March 11, 2011, 01:16:22 PM
thanks bro! is that strat for you? how light is it? :-)
Nope. I wish it was mine though. :lol:
With regards to the weight, I think it’s lighter than the average strat bodies. He told me that he’s very particular in choosing the lightest ash he can possibly find.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: dantuts on March 11, 2011, 02:09:44 PM
mga woodsman ! :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: Rmansh on March 11, 2011, 03:14:56 PM
thanks bro! is that strat for you? how light is it? :-)
that's a bit risky for me bro since i wouldn't know the quality of the ash body until it arrives here. i want my ash to be light, if possible as light as pine. but thanks for checking eBay! i think i can talk to Ahvia if he has more ash in his stash. :-)
may naaamoy ako.............cough*strat*cough :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on March 11, 2011, 03:36:57 PM
@maxi - my wood selection nowadays are the lighter the better as for the tele its abit on the heavy side dati kasi d ako mabusisi sa weight pero ngayon thats one of the first thing i check ( strat weights a tad light though) not too light sakto lang, the finish on the tele will be butterscotch blonde, butterscotch or white blonde or basta dyan dyan sa mga kulay na yan, sa strat naman natural it would be a crime to put color or tint with a grain like that hehehhehehe, will check kung may available na board na 14in wide by 2in thick will let you know para pwede kang mag 1pc body a 2x14x10 board will set you back at around 5000-6000 pesos thats good for around 6 strat or tele body blanks tapos may sobra pang konti
@JB - nah no secret stash, those are just ash veneers over birch plywood body, im a believer of plywood guitars like most of the great sounding vintage jap guitars na mga ply hehehehehehe joke lang ash yan its no secret just forgot to mention it hehehehehehehe
@redballs - pareng erik na mention ko pala na mahilig na ako sa light bodies ,the kalantas i have right now is really light and i have a board that just rings and sustains everywhere, set mo kung kailan natin uumpisahan yung tele mo hehehehe alam mo naman na welcome ka to use my small "shop"
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on March 12, 2011, 01:02:27 AM
@maxi - my wood selection nowadays are the lighter the better as for the tele its abit on the heavy side dati kasi d ako mabusisi sa weight pero ngayon thats one of the first thing i check ( strat weights a tad light though) not too light sakto lang, the finish on the tele will be butterscotch blonde, butterscotch or white blonde or basta dyan dyan sa mga kulay na yan, sa strat naman natural it would be a crime to put color or tint with a grain like that hehehhehehe, will check kung may available na board na 14in wide by 2in thick will let you know para pwede kang mag 1pc body a 2x14x10 board will set you back at around 5000-6000 pesos thats good for around 6 strat or tele body blanks tapos may sobra pang konti
that's great man! 1-piece ash is the way to go! you might want to check Gil Yaron's 50s strat build. his sunburst over ash body is just killer. lutang pa rin ang grain ng wood.
isang guitar lang naman kailangan ko. let's talk via text na lang. i'll contact you on Sunday (may event kasi si kumander bukas lol). :-D
@JB - nah no secret stash, those are just ash veneers over birch plywood body, im a believer of plywood guitars like most of the great sounding vintage jap guitars na mga ply hehehehehehe joke lang ash yan its no secret just forgot to mention it hehehehehehehe
kinabahan ako dito. buti na lang binawi sa huli. :lol:
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on March 12, 2011, 01:16:36 AM
that's great man! 1-piece ash is the way to go! you might want to check Gil Yaron's 50s strat build. his sunburst over ash body is just killer. lutang pa rin ang grain ng wood.
isang guitar lang naman kailangan ko. let's talk via text na lang. i'll contact you on Sunday (may event kasi si kumander bukas lol). :-D
kinabahan ako dito. buti na lang binawi sa huli. :lol:
hehehehe Gil is my biggest influence, d ko kaya sabayan ang detail nya but sya ang benchmark na gusto kong maabot someday hahahaha libre mangarap basta saakin hobby lang to pantangal lang nang stress d ko hanap buhay to and ayaw ko din nang pressure, minsan pag na sestress ako pag my time pumupunta lang ako sa shop tapos gagawa nang d ko nanamamalayan na gabi na pala masarap gawing hobby just look at JB kaya idol ko din yan hehehehehe
regarding ply d nga daming magagandang tunog na ply as long as d mo alam na ply ok lang but the moment na malaman mo usually nawawalan ka na nang gana like a friend of mine nag dala nang ibanez rg 380 mij saakin nilaliman ko yung bridge pickup cavity when i was routing nagulat ako kasi pulbo yung kahoy usually kasi parang maliliit na curls so nacurious ako later on na realize ko para syang MDF or particle board ayaw ko na sana sabihin sa owner but i did disappointed sya sabi ko nga sakanya eh hangat naibibigay naman yung tone na gusto mo d na nag mamatter kung ano ang kahoy hehehe pampalubag loob lang bagsak kasi mukha, meron din sinangla sa tatay ko fender japan 1pc maple neck ply yung body ambigat hahahahaha
regarding ash the thing is you cant buy ash saatin na good for 1 guitar body lang you have to buy the whole board, pagusapan nalang natin if ever gawin natin group buy para tipid or pag bumili ako kumuha ka nalang nang pang 1 body blank from me hehehehe
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on March 12, 2011, 01:21:47 AM
that's great man! 1-piece ash is the way to go! you might want to check Gil Yaron's 50s strat build. his sunburst over ash body is just killer. lutang pa rin ang grain ng wood.
I saved almost all the pictures of that build in a folder in my computer! LOL
Dream guitar ko na siguro yun. That might be the closest you can get to owning a vintage 50s or 60s strat. Not bad for 5k USD. Hehehe
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: stringman on March 12, 2011, 06:24:13 AM
Maganda rin pala pine for natural finish.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 12, 2011, 08:15:10 AM
my favorite tele luthier is a guy named rick kelly of carmine street guitars in nyc. his favorite builds are pine teles, and he has pine boards from an old hotel thats more than 100 years old. and ash thats been salvaged from a bridge in the south USA.
although his guitars are sought after by musicians (ge smith, richard thompson,and lou reed are among them) his base prices are under 2k. he doesn't have a website, he hates email, he prefers phone calls. old school talaga hehehe
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on March 12, 2011, 10:25:59 AM
regarding ash the thing is you cant buy ash saatin na good for 1 guitar body lang you have to buy the whole board, pagusapan nalang natin if ever gawin natin group buy para tipid or pag bumili ako kumuha ka nalang nang pang 1 body blank from me hehehehe
that we shall do brader. :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on March 12, 2011, 03:16:01 PM
Looking good pre. Did you make your own router table? Where do you you get big clamp like yours?
Your build logs needs a to be in another thread! So that others who skip this thread can see what you can do!
I think it's time that we weekend builders should have our own forum :-D
hehehehe JB i vote na ikaw mag moderate if ever,
regarding the clamps kung tuloy tayo sa wed ill bring you kung saan ko binibili yan will change mine to pipe clamps soon, yeah just made my own router table abit crude but it does handle the Job quite well
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: Rmansh on March 13, 2011, 12:27:31 PM
@Ah Via Musicom
sir OT ka na haha. wood lang ang topic :-D :-D :-D
pero seriously, you need to make a new thread, that build looks great. finish na lang.
time for a luthier thread :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on March 13, 2011, 12:33:32 PM
para tuloy gusto kong magpa-route ng mahogany body for my tele. tapos yung kasya ang HB's sa neck. may makukuhanan ako ng mahogany from isabela eh.
kaya yan bro tulungan kita kung medyo malapit lapit ka lang saakin
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: redballs17 on March 13, 2011, 08:25:52 PM
miko, may na discover kang ibang mapagkukuwanan ng kalantas?
Guys, kakauwi ko lang galing manila. Sumilip ako sa bentahan ng mga ruins ng mga lumang bahay, mukang masarap maghanap ng usable wood dun. May mga ibang specie din ng kahoy dun bukod sa narra at yakal. Sayang di ako makapag ikot-ikot kasama ko kasi family ko. May next time pa naman :lol:
Update ko kayo at kuwa ko ng pics pag napasyal ulit ako next week. :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 13, 2011, 08:26:31 PM
miko, may na discover kang ibang mapagkukuwanan ng kalantas?
Guys, kakauwi ko lang galing manila. Sumilip ako sa bentahan ng mga ruins ng mga lumang bahay, mukang masarap maghanap ng usable wood dun. May mga ibang specie din ng kahoy dun bukod sa narra at yakal. Sayang di ako makapag ikot-ikot kasama ko kasi family ko. May next time pa naman :lol:
Update ko kayo at kuwa ko ng pics pag napasyal ulit ako next week. :-)
dun parin erik kung saan ako kumukuha nang mahogany minsan puntahan natin hehehehe
@JB you have my number?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: redballs17 on March 13, 2011, 08:46:00 PM
I liked the kalantas we saw at our outing. It was quarter sawn and with straight even grains. Bunt don't think they'll let me buy a small piece, it has to be the entire board.
Eric, where is this place that sells salvaged wood?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: redballs17 on March 13, 2011, 10:10:09 PM
I liked the kalantas we saw at our outing. It was quarter sawn and with straight even grains. Bunt don't think they'll let me buy a small piece, it has to be the entire board.
Eric, where is this place that sells salvaged wood?
@Jb Its in LAong Laan Manila, near UST. It's like an ukay-ukay of scarp furniture, woods, and home decors. There are lots of shop in the area so your trip would always be worth while.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on March 13, 2011, 11:00:52 PM
saan napunta yung mga build pics ni Ahvia? kaninang umaga lang andito tapos ngayon wala na. :lol:
saan napunta yung mga build pics ni Ahvia? kaninang umaga lang andito tapos ngayon wala na. :lol:
ano ba ang wood family ng kalantas bro? is it some sort of mahogany but better?
deleted it nahiya ako kasi tama nga OT na nga hehehehehe kaya lang ayaw ko naman gumawa nang build thread
kalantas is what other calls phil mahogany pero d ata kasi lauan ang phil mohogany kung hindi ako nagkakamali, when i had my kalantas resawn grabe ang bango merong medicinal properties ang kalantas,
maxi maybe you can ask around brian moore guitars forum meron silang mga models na kalantas ang gamit
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: Rmansh on March 13, 2011, 11:16:59 PM
toona celliata ung isang scientific name nya ayon dun sa link. Parehas nga yung itsura niya, napaisip tuloy ako sa nakita natis sa idlewood. parehas din ba presyo dun sa pinagkukuwaan mo?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on March 14, 2011, 12:27:29 AM
toona celliata ung isang scientific name nya ayon dun sa link. Parehas nga yung itsura niya, napaisip tuloy ako sa nakita natis sa idlewood. parehas din ba presyo dun sa pinagkukuwaan mo?
eric sa idle wood may malalapad din ba silang board nang kalantas dun? or gaya din size sa toog? medyo maputi ata yung sa idle wood the one i got mapula 65 or 75 per bft mas mura siguro sa pinag kukunan ko sa idle wood kasi parang finished product na ang price nang sa idlewood diba?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: redballs17 on March 14, 2011, 09:55:23 AM
Mas malaki ung kalantas nila dun kesa sa toog. Parang medyo maputi nga ung stocks nila doon. naalala ko lang kasi sabi ni Jb baka balikan niya un nung paalis na tayo. di ko lang natanong yung price.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on March 14, 2011, 11:04:21 AM
kalantas is red cedar? hmmmmm...if so then it will have different tonal characteristics than mahogany since cedar is known to produce warm-sounding tones.
my squier strat is made from red cedar as well. :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on March 14, 2011, 01:05:30 PM
kalantas is red cedar? hmmmmm...if so then it will have different tonal characteristics than mahogany since cedar is known to produce warm-sounding tones.
my squier strat is made from red cedar as well. :-D
@redballs , eric oo medyo maputi nga pag naka daan ka sa shop papakita ko yung kalantas ko
@maxi kalantas is not mahogany i believe iba grains and amoy, hehehehehe
just went to my source of ash wala nang board na 14in wide 11in wide nalang pinakamalaki, for now 2pc lang ang possible antay lang tayo pero matatagalan pa nang konti siguro or order nalang tayo sa US, selected a couple of light boards kanina will get it probably later or tom and found some 14in wide hard maple pwedeng pang top
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on March 14, 2011, 01:50:54 PM
@maxi kalantas is not mahogany i believe iba grains and amoy, hehehehehe
just went to my source of ash wala nang board na 14in wide 11in wide nalang pinakamalaki, for now 2pc lang ang possible antay lang tayo pero matatagalan pa nang konti siguro or order nalang tayo sa US, selected a couple of light boards kanina will get it probably later or tom and found some 14in wide hard maple pwedeng pang top
narinig ko kasi before na ang kalantas is like higher-end mahogany. :lol:
i'm willing to wait for the perfect ash to make a 1-piece tele body bro. i'm not in for the additional expense of shipping wood from the US. :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 14, 2011, 02:13:04 PM
@redballs , eric oo medyo maputi nga pag naka daan ka sa shop papakita ko yung kalantas ko
@maxi kalantas is not mahogany i believe iba grains and amoy, hehehehehe
just went to my source of ash wala nang board na 14in wide 11in wide nalang pinakamalaki, for now 2pc lang ang possible antay lang tayo pero matatagalan pa nang konti siguro or order nalang tayo sa US, selected a couple of light boards kanina will get it probably later or tom and found some 14in wide hard maple pwedeng pang top
How much is the maple? Need itnfor back and sides.
Red cedar is different. I don't think that kalantas is a cedar, much less red cedar. I have red cedar planks and theynare nowhere like kalantas.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on March 14, 2011, 02:25:51 PM
I say it's like mahogany in texture, but less red in color At least with the specimens I have seen...
i just learned that my old grade school is thinking about replacing the old old church pews with new ones. salvaged old growth! parang lowden guitars hehehe! will follow this bit of news...
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on March 14, 2011, 04:58:40 PM
I say it's like mahogany in texture, but less red in color At least with the specimens I have seen...
i just learned that my old grade school is thinking about replacing the old old church pews with new ones. salvaged old growth! parang lowden guitars hehehe! will follow this bit of news...
nice! kaya lang wood used for church pews are bound to be heavy. :lol:
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 14, 2011, 06:38:40 PM
nice! kaya lang wood used for church pews are bound to be heavy. :lol:
we'll see.
i read somewhere that a banjo maker made his rims with really old maple that was once flooring for about 200 years. he thinks that all the stepping and the pounding made the grains tighter.
i know its crazy...but i'll try anyway :lol:
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on March 14, 2011, 07:40:17 PM
i read somewhere that a banjo maker made his rims with really old maple that was once flooring for about 200 years. he thinks that all the stepping and the pounding made the grains tighter.
i know its crazy...but i'll try anyway :lol:
Them Luthiers are crazy people LOL! :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 14, 2011, 08:07:57 PM
Hey, if I get that stash it's blessed wood! Maybe finally I'll have that "magical tone" of an instrument a few of us claim to have hahahahaha
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on March 14, 2011, 10:27:27 PM
pareng JB sana nag enjoy ka sa trip natin kanina hehehehe
Mukang nagtagal din kayo. :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 16, 2011, 05:06:55 PM
you betcha!! :-D
got my toog cut for that lacote guitar project. set 1: (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9617.jpg) (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9620.jpg)
set 2: (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9625.jpg)
sets 1 & 2 (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9622.jpg) already have 2 sets of engelmann spruce for these sets. but i may go with redwood for one set :-D
need to find matching sides for this kamagong set: (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9619.jpg) (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9621.jpg)
thank you mikko for helping me cut the wood and shape my molds and templates. the wood is pretty cool too 8-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: redballs17 on March 16, 2011, 05:43:24 PM
@Jb
Love the grains on the 1st set.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on March 16, 2011, 07:11:31 PM
@JB nice! kaka inggit naman yan JB balik tayo minsan sa idle wood need more toog hehehehe type ko yung size nang lacote one of my future build yan probably my 1st acoustic :)
@eric pare sasusunod na field trip dapat kasama ka na! hehehehehe
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 16, 2011, 07:29:04 PM
balik idlewood!! tara na hahaha
i'm hoping to get the initial part of the lacote guitars started, the jointing and the preparation of the necks. the planks are big enough for head and back plates and rosette rings. fine tune the bending form and the solera template, and top preparation.. then we'll thickness hehehe
but i need to finish that 7 string :lol: good thing i'm not a professional luthier. yari ako sa pace at sa ADD work habits hahaha
enjoy ako sa fieled trip. next time we'll look for matching sides for the kamagong back plates hehehehe
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: redballs17 on March 16, 2011, 08:55:59 PM
Sige sama ko sa next fiedtrip. pwede bang sat natin schedule?
Nakakaingit nga ung itsura nung acoustic ni JB. Pagnakabwelo lam ko na gagawin ko sa toog ko. Pa-isa isa lang muna. :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 16, 2011, 10:31:18 PM
excited and curious as to how they will be like when bent. sana makisama at hindi mag-split o mag cup :-P
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on March 17, 2011, 12:47:52 AM
i like the grain on the 2nd toog set! is toog a family of rosewood?
saan pala yung idlewood? :-D
It's close to hypermart in libis. Rosario side.
We'll see how this wood will hold up. I'm more concerned with it's workability than it's tone, since I believe that the top dictates the sound and the back and sides just reflect it. We'll see.
It's not a true rosewood, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: Rmansh on March 17, 2011, 11:03:16 AM
@JB
nice score on those woods, grain pa lang panalo na. now you really need to finish that build :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on March 17, 2011, 11:04:15 AM
We'll see how this wood will hold up. I'm more concerned with it's workability than it's tone, since I believe that the top dictates the sound and the back and sides just reflect it. We'll see.
It's not a true rosewood, unfortunately.
real close? i pass by the area on my way to Marikina almost every weekend. is it on the same side as Hypermart and Tiendesitas or in Marikina-bound side?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 17, 2011, 11:42:04 AM
real close? i pass by the area on my way to Marikina almost every weekend. is it on the same side as Hypermart and Tiendesitas or in Marikina-bound side?
Marikina side. I forget the street name (the address and map is somewhere back in this thread) but the place is located just before that street turns into two way traffic. It's on the one way traffic side with a huge baige gate. You might want to get in touch with Eric (redballs17) because he's the one that knows the contact person there.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: mandarin on March 17, 2011, 11:54:20 AM
got my toog cut for that lacote guitar project. set 1: (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9617.jpg) (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9620.jpg)
set 2: (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9625.jpg)
sets 1 & 2 (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9622.jpg) already have 2 sets of engelmann spruce for these sets. but i may go with redwood for one set :-D
need to find matching sides for this kamagong set: (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9619.jpg) (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9621.jpg)
thank you mikko for helping me cut the wood and shape my molds and templates. the wood is pretty cool too 8-)
yo jb
will you make 2 lacote copies or 1 lacote and 2 panormo.
Pag natapos to, showcase natin for a 19th century music guitar recital/concert :)
abangan ko to.. Hehe
more power to you bro
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 17, 2011, 05:19:50 PM
Hi joseph.
When is this concert? If I work on these regularly I may finish it early June or even earlier :-D It may be too late.
I may do 2 lacote guitars. Or maybe 1 panormo. The shape is basically the same, the only difference is the bracing under the hood and the bridge shape, which will be a test of my craving skills :lol: The scale will be 630mm and with slotted headstock. I really don't like friction tuners unless I use pegheads tuners, which will be very costly.
We'll see. If I like it I'll concentrate on this kind of guitar. I tend to jump from model to model. :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: mandarin on March 17, 2011, 06:48:21 PM
When is this concert? If I work on these regularly I may finish it early June or even earlier :-D It may be too late.
I may do 2 lacote guitars. Or maybe 1 panormo. The shape is basically the same, the only difference is the bracing under the hood and the bridge shape, which will be a test of my craving skills :lol: The scale will be 630mm and with slotted headstock. I really don't like friction tuners unless I use pegheads tuners, which will be very costly.
We'll see. If I like it I'll concentrate on this kind of guitar. I tend to jump from model to model. :-D
me and leo can schedule a recital/concert anytime at edsa shrine
we also target to have a concert at paco park within the year
also, the ust guitar dept will also hold a guitar festival sometime august
basta available na yung guitars, gawa tayo ng event to showcase them :)
ok na magka niche ka on 19th century guitars. Bibihira ang luthiers who exclusively build these kind of guitars :)
i would love to play a period correct copy of lacote and panormo to play the classical period pieces on my repertiore :)
best regards :)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 17, 2011, 07:08:43 PM
me and leo can schedule a recital/concert anytime at edsa shrine
we also target to have a concert at paco park within the year
also, the ust guitar dept will also hold a guitar festival sometime august
basta available na yung guitars, gawa tayo ng event to showcase them :)
ok na magka niche ka on 19th century guitars. Bibihira ang luthiers who exclusively build these kind of guitars :)
i would love to play a period correct copy of lacote and panormo to play the classical period pieces on my repertiore :)
best regards :)
sounds good. i'll make these prototypes and see where it will go :-)
i'm picking the brain of one american luthier who specializes in early guitars in terms of dimensions and bracing. he said that some guitars were not as ornate as what we usually see, so that's a big relief for me also, though the tonewoods are traditionally maple and spruce, he said they used wood that was available to them at that time (supports my theory about how we see tonewood today). so in a way i get his blessing to make one out of philippine hardwoods. :lol: i'm bad at details. in fact he wants to see my work when they're done :-o
time draw up the plans...
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: redballs17 on March 18, 2011, 11:22:23 AM
real close? i pass by the area on my way to Marikina almost every weekend. is it on the same side as Hypermart and Tiendesitas or in Marikina-bound side?
its just near C5 going to rosario, Dr. Sixto Avenue. :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on March 23, 2011, 10:31:14 AM
ayus sir. finish na yan? bagay dyan wilkinson bridge :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 23, 2011, 12:23:33 PM
Mikko are those the planks we dug up at the warehouse? Looking good.
Btw, I got a fly cutter from han's and I'm going to try it out in making wood rossete rings today. A tool review maybe? :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: bugoy on March 23, 2011, 02:30:19 PM
mga bro ano yung paulownia wood ? ano character niyan ? balak ko kasi bumili sa guitarfetish nung bodies nila ang mura kasi. ayoko basta maniwala dun sa description nila syempre baka sales talk hehe would like to hear from the masters here muna ofcourse
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 23, 2011, 05:54:29 PM
the flycutter, i love it! it cuts well and clean. (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9697.jpg)
the rosette rings that were cut. (toog cutoffs from the stuff we got) that neck at the background looks familiar... (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9696.jpg)
engelman spruce circle cut: (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9695.jpg)
might as well post it here. tamad akong maghakot ng thread eh. hehehe spit coats applied. the cherry is looking nice (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9698.jpg)
sorry medyo OT. we need our own forum hehehe
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on March 23, 2011, 06:58:16 PM
Will there be fancy inlays in your lacote build?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 23, 2011, 07:15:37 PM
probably not. personally i'm not a fan of fancy inlay. they're the first to break/fall off over time. plus i'm not good at it :lol:
ok din ako sa simple inlays for a 19th century copy.. btw, confirmed na pala na 2 lacote copies ang next project mo :) same back and side tonewood to pre? antabayanan ko yung build. hehehe
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on March 23, 2011, 08:01:44 PM
ok din ako sa simple inlays for a 19th century copy.. btw, confirmed na pala na 2 lacote copies ang next project mo :) same back and side tonewood to pre? antabayanan ko yung build. hehehe
yep. i'm trying the toog for back and sides. looks promising, i like the taptone. its a bit heavier than mahogany and as dense as maple, but very porous. i think it will make a great sounding guitar, plus its quartersawn!
if they don't turn out great (personally i think that this is unlikely) i can make one with indian rosewood or even cypress. we'll see...
yep. i'm trying the toog for back and sides. looks promising, i like the taptone. its a bit heavier than mahogany and as dense as maple, but very porous. i think it will make a great sounding guitar, plus its quartersawn! think ok din yung if they don't turn out great (personally i think that this is unlikely) i can make one with indian rosewood or even cypress. we'll see...
need to run it under a drum sander first hehehe
most guitar pieces from 19th century have way too many notes that they are best played with a guitar with very distinct note separation - bagay yung maple and other tonewoods that have the same tonal characteristics as maple. i think ok yung toog based sa characteristics na na-mention mo.
cedar, typically will not have more clear note separation than spruce but having a back and sides with similar properties with mahogany may do the trick - i've heard a cedar/mahogany steel string that projects well - malakas yung fundamentals with subtle overtones :)
good luck bro
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on March 24, 2011, 03:30:09 AM
Sabi sakin Tangile is in the family of Philippine mahogany din..
Yep, Tangile and Lauan (and several other woods) are also called Philippine Mahogany commercially speaking because the grains are somewhat similar to your typical African and Honduran Mahogany but these two (Tangile and Lauan) are under Dipterocarpacea Family.
as in buo na rin shape ng guitar body ? or wood plank ? kasi yang sa guitar fetish ok na eh may paint na rin just for $49.95 = 2k Php parang sobrang sulit ipapasabay shipping sa balikbayan box hehe. parang mas mapapamahal pa kung bibili nga ng mura na plank dito sa pinas tapos papa shape mo pa sa luthier at paint tama ba ?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 24, 2011, 05:56:04 PM
as in buo na rin shape ng guitar body ? or wood plank ? kasi yang sa guitar fetish ok na eh may paint na rin just for $49.95 = 2k Php parang sobrang sulit ipapasabay shipping sa balikbayan box hehe. parang mas mapapamahal pa kung bibili nga ng mura na plank dito sa pinas tapos papa shape mo pa sa luthier at paint tama ba ?
bro you also have to consider the acclimation time for imported wood. its very humid here so expect it to swell up. i suggest if you should buy imported wood to let it sit for at least 6 months before using. or 1 year per inch thick.
ah via can hook you up with killer wood. i've seen his work (and his wood stash) and i recommend it. just ask him
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: mandarin on March 24, 2011, 06:28:58 PM
is it just me or meron talagang nip yung pagkaka cut ng redwood top ?
i believe nahahabol pa naman yan sa paglagay ng purflings/bindings
its a nip. hindi aabot sa purflings and bindings but i'll glue a tiny wedge on the nick so so that it wont think about cracking. more surface area for the kerfings to hold on to before i cut.
the thing with redwood is that its very brittle with the grain. across the grain its very very stiff. its also very soft and dents easily. like working with dynamite hehehe
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: mandarin on March 24, 2011, 06:46:23 PM
its a nip. hindi aabot sa purflings and bindings but i'll glue a tiny wedge on the nick so so that it wont think about cracking. more surface area for the kerfings to hold on to before i cut.
the thing with redwood is that its very brittle with the grain. across the grain its very very stiff. its also very soft and dents easily. like working with dynamite hehehe
i see..
it's a dynamite indeed.. my parlor guitar has western red cedar top and indian rosewood back and sides -- a small guitar yet a canon in terms of volume
post ka ng progress pics ha :D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on March 24, 2011, 08:50:36 PM
it's a dynamite indeed.. my parlor guitar has western red cedar top and indian rosewood back and sides -- a small guitar yet a canon in terms of volume
i agree! i was able to experience first hand kung gano kaganda yung projection ng parlour classical ni Joseph! masterfully built!
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: bugoy on March 24, 2011, 10:25:15 PM
bro you also have to consider the acclimation time for imported wood. its very humid here so expect it to swell up. i suggest if you should buy imported wood to let it sit for at least 6 months before using. or 1 year per inch thick.
ah via can hook you up with killer wood. i've seen his work (and his wood stash) and i recommend it. just ask him
thanks sa reply, may idea ka kung magkano aabutin overall kahit estimate lang kung kukuha ng paulownia + pa shape as strat body then pa paint as 3 tone sunburst ? yung pag shape ba sa body at paint siya na rin ang gagawa or nagbebenta lang talaga siya ng wood ? thanks man!
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 25, 2011, 07:13:45 AM
thanks sa reply, may idea ka kung magkano aabutin overall kahit estimate lang kung kukuha ng paulownia + pa shape as strat body then pa paint as 3 tone sunburst ? yung pag shape ba sa body at paint siya na rin ang gagawa or nagbebenta lang talaga siya ng wood ? thanks man!
no idea bro. sorry...
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: j-sonic on March 25, 2011, 03:15:18 PM
share ko lang mga home made guitars ko (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC00896.jpg) mahogany singlecut guitar with floyd trem (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC00894.jpg) trem and control cavity routing (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC02217.jpg) with ESP/Grassroots 24 fret F-series neck installed (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC02218.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC02221.jpg)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: j-sonic on March 25, 2011, 03:35:44 PM
can't afford a Jackson Kelly so I made one (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC00964.jpg) made from 2 slabs of solid mahogany (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC00977.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC02208.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC02210.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC02211.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC02214.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC02212.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC02213.jpg) I may replace the bridge with a floyd pag sinipag na ulit
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on March 25, 2011, 03:44:18 PM
nice work! what finish do you use for the body?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: j-sonic on March 25, 2011, 03:53:39 PM
The guitars are finished with a combination of oil- and solvent-based woodstains. The topcoat si automotive polyurethane(Anzahl,Nax)depending on what the painter is using on a customer's car.Pinapasingit ko lang kasi sa shop nung kakilala ko.hehe.pag me sobrang paint,yun ang pinapagamit ko.Yung ibang guitars ko kasi painted and with graphics.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 25, 2011, 09:09:42 PM
very nice work :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: noiska on March 25, 2011, 10:10:38 PM
remember the necks you showed me that you made the one with scarf joints? till today i only use 1 pc neck billet for angled headstock necks then our trip gave me the guts to try scarf joint tried it yesterday un-clamped it kanina tried stress testing it stepping on it without truss rod or fretboard bare mahogany lang tapered already yung headstock part lang ang wala pang shape i was surprised na d bumigay or nag crack ( i had a PWEDE moment) hehehehehe thanks for educating me
bad news my gout is killing me right now my right feet is swelling and i can barely stand up this is my 3rd attack and probably this is a good thing cause now im really motivated to change my diet and lifestyle this is my most painfull episode i wonder why everytime i get in the mood for a build this always happens hehehehe
anyways sorry OT
j-sonic nice work, have you tried making your own necks? i love the dinky
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: redballs17 on March 26, 2011, 01:11:07 AM
remember the necks you showed me that you made the one with scarf joints? till today i only use 1 pc neck billet for angled headstock necks then our trip gave me the guts to try scarf joint tried it yesterday un-clamped it kanina tried stress testing it stepping on it without truss rod or fretboard bare mahogany lang tapered already yung headstock part lang ang wala pang shape i was surprised na d bumigay or nag crack ( i had a PWEDE moment) hehehehehe thanks for educating me
bad news my gout is killing me right now my right feet is swelling and i can barely stand up this is my 3rd attack and probably this is a good thing cause now im really motivated to change my diet and lifestyle this is my most painfull episode i wonder why everytime i get in the mood for a build this always happens hehehehe
anyways sorry OT
j-sonic nice work, have you tried making your own necks? i love the dinky
sorry to hear that mikko. I hope you get well soon.
Anyways I'm still looking forward to your pine build. I hope someday you can show others how detailed your work is. :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 26, 2011, 06:14:21 AM
remember the necks you showed me that you made the one with scarf joints? till today i only use 1 pc neck billet for angled headstock necks then our trip gave me the guts to try scarf joint tried it yesterday un-clamped it kanina tried stress testing it stepping on it without truss rod or fretboard bare mahogany lang tapered already yung headstock part lang ang wala pang shape i was surprised na d bumigay or nag crack ( i had a PWEDE moment) hehehehehe thanks for educating me
bad news my gout is killing me right now my right feet is swelling and i can barely stand up this is my 3rd attack and probably this is a good thing cause now im really motivated to change my diet and lifestyle this is my most painfull episode i wonder why everytime i get in the mood for a build this always happens hehehehe
anyways sorry OT
j-sonic nice work, have you tried making your own necks? i love the dinky
get well soon mikko. gout is painful i heard.
i love scarf joints! they're tough and economical. although it doesn't need it, i often put a back plate to further strengthen the joint. if i don't want the backplate obvious i put a similar wood as the plate.
did you have trouble clamping the joint? it often slips out of place hehehe
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on March 26, 2011, 07:50:12 AM
sorry to hear that mikko. I hope you get well soon.
Anyways I'm still looking forward to your pine build. I hope someday you can show others how detailed your work is. :-)
thanks pare dont worry matatapos din yan hopefully 1 week lang to tapos makakagawa na ulit ako, tigas kasi nang ulo ko alam ko naman ano bawal wake up call narin siguro hehehehehe
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 26, 2011, 09:00:21 AM
thanks pare dont worry matatapos din yan hopefully 1 week lang to tapos makakagawa na ulit ako, tigas kasi nang ulo ko alam ko naman ano bawal wake up call narin siguro hehehehehe
does that mean we cant get together for a few beers? :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on March 26, 2011, 09:59:01 AM
does that mean we cant get together for a few beers? :-D
1 bottle lang ako JB if ever beer is a big no no for a person with gout but if we dont do it often pwede naman siguro will ask my physician first, btw JB when you glue your scarf joint neck how long do you clamp it? thanks
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on March 26, 2011, 11:56:27 AM
thanks pare dont worry matatapos din yan hopefully 1 week lang to tapos makakagawa na ulit ako, tigas kasi nang ulo ko alam ko naman ano bawal wake up call narin siguro hehehehehe
hope everything's ok bro. alam ko magandang panlaban sa gout ang dark chocolates and regular exercise. :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 26, 2011, 12:23:35 PM
i love scarf joints! they're tough and economical. although it doesn't need it, i often put a back plate to further strengthen the joint. if i don't want the backplate obvious i put a similar wood as the plate.
did you have trouble clamping the joint? it often slips out of place hehehe
will try what you did with yours with laminated strip sa center nextime, and will put back plate too hehehehe
on my first try yes i had to remove all the glue and retried it clamped the longer part to make it steady and so is the short part of the neck material then clamped sa center madali lang pala salamat talaga JB
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on March 26, 2011, 01:56:25 PM
i clamp for an hour (or 2 depending on the humidity) then i leave it alone for at least 24 hours for the glue to cure
jb bale you clamp it for 2 hrs then un-clamp it and leave it for 24hrs tama ba or you clamp it then after 24hrs un clamp? hehehehe sorry gulo ata nang tanong ko
@ maxi d nga dark chocolates? hehehehehe
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 26, 2011, 02:11:45 PM
jb bale you clamp it for 2 hrs then un-clamp it and leave it for 24hrs tama ba or you clamp it then after 24hrs un clamp? hehehehe sorry gulo ata nang tanong ko
@ maxi d nga dark chocolates? hehehehehe
ish ok. :-D clamp for two hours. unclamp, leave it alone for 24. kung talagang praning ka ok din yung 24. which i do when i glue bridges to the top. what glue do you use?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on March 26, 2011, 02:46:13 PM
ish ok. :-D clamp for two hours. unclamp, leave it alone for 24. kung talagang praning ka ok din yung 24. which i do when i glue bridges to the top. what glue do you use?
last bottle of titebond hehehe kailangan nang umoreder
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 26, 2011, 05:58:50 PM
last bottle of titebond hehehe kailangan nang umoreder
hook me up with titebond too when you get a chance
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: josh_rock45 on March 27, 2011, 04:26:37 PM
this is my wood..i dont know the classification of it,,but im intend to make it for top not wings,could be my main tone block but not as is as solid wood..cause this is absolutely a barbel if use it as a whole..dimensions are 12in X 3in X 8ft and 7in X 2in X 7ft.. :-)
remember the necks you showed me that you made the one with scarf joints? till today i only use 1 pc neck billet for angled headstock necks then our trip gave me the guts to try scarf joint tried it yesterday un-clamped it kanina tried stress testing it stepping on it without truss rod or fretboard bare mahogany lang tapered already yung headstock part lang ang wala pang shape i was surprised na d bumigay or nag crack ( i had a PWEDE moment) hehehehehe thanks for educating me
bad news my gout is killing me right now my right feet is swelling and i can barely stand up this is my 3rd attack and probably this is a good thing cause now im really motivated to change my diet and lifestyle this is my most painfull episode i wonder why everytime i get in the mood for a build this always happens hehehehe
anyways sorry OT
j-sonic nice work, have you tried making your own necks? i love the dinky
Thanks! I've been thinking of making my own necks but I lack the confidence to do it.baka masira,sayang.I'll be following this thread.there's a lot to learn from you guys.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 27, 2011, 05:01:08 PM
Thanks! I've been thinking of making my own necks but I lack the confidence to do it.baka masira,sayang.I'll be following this thread.there's a lot to learn from you guys.
i have a thread on making a 7 string hollowbody. just updated it. it shows how i make my necks.
where do you get screws for the neck connecting the body?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: j-sonic on March 27, 2011, 05:15:02 PM
The screws and neck ferrules on the singlecut are from the original guitar body.just transferred it to the homemade one.On the kelly,I used the original neck screws then used washers from my Jeep.the original guitar had a neckplate.the washers are countersunk,10mm diameter so they were just right for my project cos I wanted a rounded neck heel.I guess necessity really is the mother of invention
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on March 27, 2011, 08:42:56 PM
actually the kamagong plank i have looks lonely. nedd to find a matching sides set for it, lacote guitar nanaman! hehehe
hehehehehe screw landia!
pag available na ako this comming week and ok din sched mo puntahan natin yung isa pang source ko hopefully makasama si eric, and maging ok na paa ko
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 31, 2011, 05:57:53 PM
i don't know how toog sounds as a guitar yet, but i do know that they make good looking rosettes. only think is i suck at making them! for some reason the circle cutter was off about 1mm on one side making an ugly gap. need to reassess the tool... also, i forgot to flood the veneer with super glue, and when worked my sanded through it nag-tear out. i know how to fix and hide the breaks, but i don't know how well i'll be able to pull it off
here's the ugliness:
(http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_1233.jpg) this was supposed to be my daughter's guitar. see the gap? yuck.
the tear out on the mahogany veneer. bleh... (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_1232.jpg)
from a distance hey look good. i'll just ask folks to stay 5 feet away from these so that they can't see it hehehe (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_1231.jpg) (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_1230.jpg)
the glue line will disappear after further sanding. siguro babawi na lang ako sa tap tuning ng tops but for i still don't know whether to discard these tops or continue because of the flaws. i can hide most of it, but i don't know how well my job will be. if i were still living in the states i'd discard them because its soo easy to replace them. now is a different story, and i feel bad rejecting good tonewood (our resources are depleting). what do you guys think?
now do you still think that i'm any good at this? :lol: :lol: :lol:
sorry medyo OT
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: redballs17 on March 31, 2011, 10:19:49 PM
@jb
still looks nice. I'm no expert but maybe you can hide the gaps with glue & sawdust?
By the way I saw a supplier of kamagong near the sash factory. it cost 220 to 250 per bft depends on the size. the only problem is they only stock a minimal inventory but we can ask for custom sizes. They also have yakal, guiho, and molave. they are still checking if they can acquire langka and acacia from visayas.
I'll try to visit them this weekend and give you guys update. :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on April 01, 2011, 07:41:08 AM
still looks nice. I'm no expert but maybe you can hide the gaps with glue & sawdust?
By the way I saw a supplier of kamagong near the sash factory. it cost 220 to 250 per bft depends on the size. the only problem is they only stock a minimal inventory but we can ask for custom sizes. They also have yakal, guiho, and molave. they are still checking if they can acquire langka and acacia from visayas.
I'll try to visit them this weekend and give you guys update. :-D
thanks for the info eric! please keep us posted :-)
i may have to discard the spruce and start over :-( it just won't do. i would like to blame the drill press, but in the end i blame myself. sayang... :cry:
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: mandarin on April 01, 2011, 07:45:39 AM
thanks for the info eric! please keep us posted :-)
i may have to discard the spruce and start over :-( it just won't do. i would like to blame the drill press, but in the end i blame myself. sayang... :cry:
yo jb.
post mo rin sa luthiers thread sa delcamp or any other forum. they will be able to help.. tapos baka may tip and tricks din sila to help you avoid the same boo-boo again
regards
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on April 01, 2011, 07:54:15 AM
post mo rin sa luthiers thread sa delcamp or any other forum. they will be able to help.. tapos baka may tip and tricks din sila to help you avoid the same boo-boo again
regards
hey joseph!
i know how to fix it, but i still blame myself for it. preventable sana yung mga boo-boos. i didn't check the drill press if its 90 degrees. apparently not and it caused the cutter to tilt at an angle, thus making one side of the circle a bit bigger thus making a gap. i didn't flood the veneer with super glue kaya madaling napunit when sanded. well, its all part of the learning process :| i'll work on the redwood top but the spruce i'll have to start over. man, i hate wasting a pretty good top. maybe i'll set it aside for another project, i don't know...
thanks joseph :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: mandarin on April 02, 2011, 07:05:41 PM
i know how to fix it, but i still blame myself for it. preventable sana yung mga boo-boos. i didn't check the drill press if its 90 degrees. apparently not and it caused the cutter to tilt at an angle, thus making one side of the circle a bit bigger thus making a gap. i didn't flood the veneer with super glue kaya madaling napunit when sanded. well, its all part of the learning process :| i'll work on the redwood top but the spruce i'll have to start over. man, i hate wasting a pretty good top. maybe i'll set it aside for another project, i don't know...
thanks joseph :-)
i see
you may want to hook up with junx to get good tops especially german spruce :)
regards
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on April 02, 2011, 07:15:08 PM
you may want to hook up with junx to get good tops especially german spruce :)
regards
Thanks bro. I know where to get good tops, but having another source will help :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: j-sonic on April 13, 2011, 04:22:02 PM
inspired by Peavey Tragic (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC02424.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC02422.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC02425.jpg) Explorer style (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC02451-1.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC02453.jpg)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on April 13, 2011, 04:40:32 PM
^:-o :-o :-o :-o :-o
specs, wood and other materials used please. and don't keep secrets :wink:
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: j-sonic on April 14, 2011, 10:17:50 PM
On the red guitar,I used mahogany.Red stain then Nax ceramic topcoat.Copied the body style from Peaey's PDx series Tragic model.Neck is korean made.On the Explorer I used tanguile.I was in a graphics phase back then so I had it painted with a flame design
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: stringman on April 15, 2011, 04:41:19 AM
inspired by Peavey Tragic (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC02424.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC02422.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC02425.jpg) Explorer style
This is beautiful!
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on April 15, 2011, 06:44:17 AM
On the red guitar,I used mahogany.Red stain then Nax ceramic topcoat.Copied the body style from Peaey's PDx series Tragic model.Neck is korean made.On the Explorer I used tanguile.I was in a graphics phase back then so I had it painted with a flame design
the ceramic topcoat, how thick is the finish?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: j-sonic on April 15, 2011, 04:18:41 PM
I told the painter to spray at least 5 coats.I let it cure for 2 weeks,then brought it back to the shop for rubbing and buffing.I guess the coat is still at least 1mm thick
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: straightwire on April 15, 2011, 05:28:57 PM
try KALANTAS tinanong ko dati sa guitar maker ok daw un
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on April 15, 2011, 05:36:54 PM
try KALANTAS tinanong ko dati sa guitar maker ok daw un
Agree. Most use it for bodies I use them for necks
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: j-sonic on April 16, 2011, 03:33:28 PM
replaced this body (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC02217.jpg) with this,to more closely match the neck and headstock's color (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC02477.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC02474.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC02476.jpg) the neck is from an ESP/Grassroots F-series guitar.the body is made from acacia
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on April 16, 2011, 06:57:32 PM
^ nice!
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: j-sonic on April 17, 2011, 04:41:13 PM
seriously we should have our own mini forum :mrgreen:
ditto! Hahaha!
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on April 20, 2011, 04:52:24 PM
ok storytime...
i drove my wife to a place where she was told can be a place to set up our small business. the property belonged to her mom's friend. it was a large compound, i was walking around and i saw this: (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9820.jpg)
what the?! so i took a closer look. and behold: (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9812.jpg) kamagong baby!
and mystery wood that were huge! i put a sawed off coke bottle so you can get an idea how huge they are. (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9816.jpg) (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9815.jpg) (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9814.jpg) (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9817.jpg)
so apparently it's been sitting there since the 60's. the father had a furniture business back then and he died so the planks were left there in a huge shed.
i want to buy a few planks! but i would have to wait monday until the family friend returns. i was told its not hers but her brother's. so i hope i can convince them to sell a few planks of the stuff.
wish me luck :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: redballs17 on April 20, 2011, 05:26:51 PM
Hi JB,
Nice find! I haven't got any success finding kamagong for a neck material or even a bookmatched top for keeps. :-D Just in case they are willing to sell some please PM me. might get a some as well. :lol:
I may be wrong but it looks like some of your mystery wood are yakal.
:-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on April 20, 2011, 06:50:46 PM
if they agree i'll let you know for sure! :-)
baka nga yakal. has anybody made a guitar out of it? :?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on April 20, 2011, 07:47:42 PM
Lucky!
Look not for wood. Let the wood come to you... Hahaha!
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on April 23, 2011, 05:34:49 PM
just came from my parents' house.
i got most of the red colored wood (dunno what it is, but me likey-likey :-D) and brought them home. it's the same wood i made the hollowbody 7 string with. around 50 years old, they're beat up and some are with nail holes. adds character. :wink: i just need to process them, get rid of the nails, run them through a jointer (i don't feel like doing this by hand :-P) and a planer, and then store.
more for my stash :-D (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/my%20guitars/IMG_9860.jpg) (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/my%20guitars/IMG_9861.jpg)
now whenever i go jogging around my neighborhood i look at construction sites, especially those with houses that are about to be torn down. you'll never know what may turn up :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: ukeleleboy on April 24, 2011, 10:13:13 AM
i got most of the red colored wood (dunno what it is, but me likey-likey :-D) and brought them home. it's the same wood i made the hollowbody 7 string with. around 50 years old, they're beat up and some are with nail holes. adds character. :wink: i just need to process them, get rid of the nails, run them through a jointer (i don't feel like doing this by hand :-P) and a planer, and then store.
more for my stash :-D (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/my%20guitars/IMG_9860.jpg) (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/my%20guitars/IMG_9861.jpg)
now whenever i go jogging around my neighborhood i look at construction sites, especially those with houses that are about to be torn down. you'll never know what may turn up :-D
Sir hindi kaya kalantas ito?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on April 24, 2011, 10:31:21 AM
di ako sure eh. kasi yung mga kalantas na nakita ko sa iba hindi kasing pula nito. baka nga, pero ewan ko lang. it could be anything, but now that i made a guitar out of it, i don't care what it is :lol:
here's how the wood looks like as a guitar: (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9863.jpg)
i love the nail marks 8-) i have planks of this stuff that can make 2 or 3 guitar bodies, i think
anyway madami pang kahoy sa bahay nina erpat at ermat pero kinuha ko na ang mga pula. i left a lot of planks there still, and i'll come back for them one day :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on April 24, 2011, 10:36:56 AM
nice finds JB! those kamagong planks are priceless (well actually they are pricEY pala!). been looking around furniture stores recently to check out some sofas and the kamagong pieces are among the more expensive ones. :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on April 24, 2011, 10:42:56 AM
nice finds JB! those kamagong planks are priceless (well actually they are pricEY pala!). been looking around furniture stores recently to check out some sofas and the kamagong pieces are among the more expensive ones. :-D
i really hope they're willing to sell. when i looked at the planks i only saw about 3 of them that can be made into instruments or instrument parts.
i'll be bugging my aunt tomorrow. i hope that
1. they sell 2. they sell at a reasonable price 3. that the planks i think that are suitable are really suitable. its hard to tell just by looking at the ends. i want a few back and side sets :-D
i'll let you guys know once i get an answer.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on April 24, 2011, 11:14:05 AM
i really hope they're willing to sell. when i looked at the planks i only saw about 3 of them that can be made into instruments or instrument parts.
i'll be bugging my aunt tomorrow. i hope that
1. they sell 2. they sell at a reasonable price 3. that the planks i think that are suitable are really suitable. its hard to tell just by looking at the ends. i want a few back and side sets :-D
i'll let you guys know once i get an answer.
baka pwede mo sabihin na Easter gift na lang niya sayo. or you can even ask for a free sample muna before you buy just to see if they are indeed suitable. :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: ukeleleboy on April 24, 2011, 11:40:04 AM
di ako sure eh. kasi yung mga kalantas na nakita ko sa iba hindi kasing pula nito. baka nga, pero ewan ko lang. it could be anything, but now that i made a guitar out of it, i don't care what it is :lol:
here's how the wood looks like as a guitar: (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9863.jpg)
i love the nail marks 8-) i have planks of this stuff that can make 2 or 3 guitar bodies, i think
anyway madami pang kahoy sa bahay nina erpat at ermat pero kinuha ko na ang mga pula. i left a lot of planks there still, and i'll come back for them one day :-D
nice built sir!
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on April 24, 2011, 12:17:19 PM
thanks man! :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: j-sonic on May 07, 2011, 04:32:08 PM
TELEMITE -- termite infested tele (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC00840.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC00841.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC00838.jpg) a friend brought a termite infested plank of pine from their ancestral house.said he wanted it made into a crazy looking guitar,termite damage and all
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on May 07, 2011, 04:46:46 PM
TELEMITE -- termite infested tele (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC00840.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC00841.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC00838.jpg) a friend brought a termite infested plank of pine from their ancestral house.said he wanted it made into a crazy looking guitar,termite damage and all
That's a good one! Makes me feel itchy, though. Hahaha! :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on May 07, 2011, 06:27:11 PM
that's what i'm talking about! nice build. i mean this in a very nice way, its so ugly that its beautiful :-D
i bet it's very light. how did you harden the termite holes/checks? did you pour watered down glue over it?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on May 07, 2011, 08:12:51 PM
Why do I find it cool that you turned a tremolo bridge into a hardtail? :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: j-sonic on May 07, 2011, 11:44:49 PM
thanks.I used some epoxy and wood glue on the rotted parts to maintain stiffness and retain the body shape.my friend only plays guitar occasionally so i decided to just mount the trem bridge that way instead of looking for a hardtail and string ferrules.the donor guitar is made in pampanga,i put a jap made humbucker and single coil on it.it weighs around 6 pounds,holds its tuning well and i think it sounds ok,you can take it to a gig and not be worried about losing it to thieves.right now its on display at his house.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: siore on May 08, 2011, 12:03:56 AM
thanks.I used some epoxy and wood glue on the rotted parts to maintain stiffness and retain the body shape.my friend only plays guitar occasionally so i decided to just mount the trem bridge that way instead of looking for a hardtail and string ferrules.the donor guitar is made in pampanga,i put a jap made humbucker and single coil on it.it weighs around 6 pounds,holds its tuning well and i think it sounds ok,you can take it to a gig and not be worried about losing it to thieves.right now its on display at his house.
i think putting a real trem there would only stress the wood. but i am surprised that it weighs 6 pounds, kind of heavy despite being termite ravaged.
but i think my favorite feature is that the grain orientation is not parallel to the neck. a lot of luthiers are kind of OC when it comes to this hehehe
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: stringman on May 08, 2011, 05:54:07 AM
TELEMITE -- termite infested tele (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC00840.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC00841.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC00838.jpg) a friend brought a termite infested plank of pine from their ancestral house.said he wanted it made into a crazy looking guitar,termite damage and all
Now this gave me the goosebumps! But it is a beautiful guitar.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: j-sonic on May 08, 2011, 01:13:39 PM
i think putting a real trem there would only stress the wood. but i am surprised that it weighs 6 pounds, kind of heavy despite being termite ravaged.
but i think my favorite feature is that the grain orientation is not parallel to the neck. a lot of luthiers are kind of OC when it comes to this hehehe
The grain is not parallel to the neck cause this plank came from an old spiral staircase.actually it looked like a pizza slice when i got it.had to make the tele shape fit into that slice.a lot of the weight comes from the neck itself
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on May 09, 2011, 06:03:31 PM
this guitar has a lot of character! wonder how it sounds acoustically? :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: RJ UBEr jam on May 28, 2011, 07:25:50 PM
From post on first Page. . 2008. . It finally find its way back home!!!
My Narra Custom Guitar. . borrowed by my cousin . . way back 1984!!! He gave it back to me. . when i visited them last summer. . not using it anymore. . he's now a doctor in Cal.USA. Built this when I was still in college. . . got a chance to get hold of this nice wood. . . an amature luthier back then and now. . . this was the outcome. . .
Body: Narra(red) Neck: Guijo Date made: approx. . 1983
Make minor restoration (stored in their attic. ..the finish was damaged badly. . refinish it), replace knobs and added string post. . Back then this was the best guitar in MY world :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on May 29, 2011, 09:11:59 PM
i assume it feels like a long-lost toy just found it's way back home! just curious, how heavy is the body? :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: RJ UBEr jam on May 30, 2011, 08:02:43 AM
Very true. . . its weighs just like a regular LP. . about 7-8 lbs. .
by the way the wood color is natural(no artificial flavoring :lol:). . . sprayed it with about 3 coats of acrylic clearcoat and it still sound very nice. . .
@j-sonic tele. . . nice twist. . .very creative & ingenious! :-D ingat ka lang baka ka masalubsub :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: Saturn/Return on May 30, 2011, 08:34:11 AM
TELEMITE -- termite infested tele (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC00840.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC00841.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC00838.jpg) a friend brought a termite infested plank of pine from their ancestral house.said he wanted it made into a crazy looking guitar,termite damage and all
Ganda neto!
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: siore on June 29, 2011, 05:06:22 PM
I want to buy a 14" wide plank for a cab build. 3/4" thick, at least 5-1/2ft length. :-D Where would you guys suggest I get it? Baka may ganyang size sa stash nyo, let me know.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on June 30, 2011, 09:46:27 AM
I want to buy a 14" wide plank for a cab build. 3/4" thick, at least 5-1/2ft length. :-D Where would you guys suggest I get it? Baka may ganyang size sa stash nyo, let me know.
thing is 14in wide planks are a tad just a tad not really very hard to acquire but if your patient enough meron dumadating, but kung nag mamadali ka laminating would be your best bet 2 7in wide planks = 14in hehehehe got a 14in wide maples it used to be 6ft pero na cut ko na into 18in blanks will check my sources pag meron ill let you know do you have a particular wood in mind?
if you decide to laminate i can also help you out pine cabs are ok not to mention pine is cheap at around 54 per bft the last time i purchase a part of my current stash
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 30, 2011, 10:33:14 AM
hey Micko! was supposed to contact you 2 days ago but was terribly busy. do you already have lightweight ash blanks in your stash? :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on June 30, 2011, 11:33:57 AM
hey Micko! was supposed to contact you 2 days ago but was terribly busy. do you already have lightweight ash blanks in your stash? :-)
hi maxi!
light ash i can get but 1pc light ash wala pang atleast 14in blank for a 1 pc 2pc body blank lang meron for now might just ask a relative to select a couple of light weight ash for me soon will let you know
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 30, 2011, 11:43:36 AM
light ash i can get but 1pc light ash wala pang atleast 14in blank for a 1 pc 2pc body blank lang meron for now might just ask a relative to select a couple of light weight ash for me soon will let you know
thanks man! :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: psychic_sushi on June 30, 2011, 11:44:43 AM
TELEMITE -- termite infested tele (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC00840.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC00841.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC00838.jpg) a friend brought a termite infested plank of pine from their ancestral house.said he wanted it made into a crazy looking guitar,termite damage and all
this is the coolness! :-)
it just oozes character
I bet it has a bit of a "biting" tone as well some twang! :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: siore on June 30, 2011, 01:42:48 PM
thing is 14in wide planks are a tad just a tad not really very hard to acquire but if your patient enough meron dumadating, but kung nag mamadali ka laminating would be your best bet 2 7in wide planks = 14in hehehehe got a 14in wide maples it used to be 6ft pero na cut ko na into 18in blanks will check my sources pag meron ill let you know do you have a particular wood in mind?
if you decide to laminate i can also help you out pine cabs are ok not to mention pine is cheap at around 54 per bft the last time i purchase a part of my current stash
Sayang. That 14"x6ft pine could've been perfect for what I need. Anyway, just got back from taytay... picked up a 1x14x8' plank of mahogany. We'll see how this project turns out.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on June 30, 2011, 02:25:25 PM
for dimensions like that i'd go for a laminate plank for the project. wood that size if not properly seasoned will move. unless you season it yourself. that is if you're willing to wait for at least a year for it :-P
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: shutterbugjohn on July 11, 2011, 01:58:58 AM
From post on first Page. . 2008. . It finally find its way back home!!!
My Narra Custom Guitar. . borrowed by my cousin . . way back 1984!!! He gave it back to me. . when i visited them last summer. . not using it anymore. . he's now a doctor in Cal.USA. Built this when I was still in college. . . got a chance to get hold of this nice wood. . . an amature luthier back then and now. . . this was the outcome. . .
Body: Narra(red) Neck: Guijo Date made: approx. . 1983
Make minor restoration (stored in their attic. ..the finish was damaged badly. . refinish it), replace knobs and added string post. . Back then this was the best guitar in MY world :-D :-D :-D
wow.musta sir? galing nyo pala sir!! how's the narra as body and guijo as neck?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: bryanarzaga on July 11, 2011, 05:22:04 AM
TELEMITE -- termite infested tele (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC00840.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC00841.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC00838.jpg) a friend brought a termite infested plank of pine from their ancestral house.said he wanted it made into a crazy looking guitar,termite damage and all
sweet, mapecon certified?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: RJ UBEr jam on July 11, 2011, 09:13:53 AM
Thank's Jhon. . . This guitar really sound's good. . . have owned some high-end guitar. . this one can hold its ground. . medyo nag aged na yung wood nya kaya medyo warm na yung tone. . Nung una ko makita yung wood. . i was impressed on how nice yung color at na intriga ako on how will it sound. . . Tubong Pinas tong guitar na ito. . :evil:
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: j-sonic on July 11, 2011, 04:24:20 PM
haha.your fireman is very nice.been thinking about making one myself.hopefully before the year ends.hehe
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: siore on July 11, 2011, 06:59:53 PM
J-sonic, help me keep away from our old bodega. Old wood inside, some are even termite-infested! It's in the works for demolition, I hope I don't get crazy ideas from your build. :-P :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: shutterbugjohn on July 11, 2011, 10:57:28 PM
Thank's Jhon. . . This guitar really sound's good. . . have owned some high-end guitar. . this one can hold its ground. . medyo nag aged na yung wood nya kaya medyo warm na yung tone. . Nung una ko makita yung wood. . i was impressed on how nice yung color at na intriga ako on how will it sound. . . Tubong Pinas tong guitar na ito. . :evil:
coolness! i might take a look at narra for guitar body. planning to make an LP and SG copy soon. thanks sir!
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: RJ UBEr jam on July 12, 2011, 10:47:07 PM
That's gonna be real HARD to build. Pun intended. Hahaha! Good luck bro! Don't forget to tell us how that works out :-)
uy pre this saturday ah via musicom and i are going to go wood hunting! where max rufo gets his stuff. want to join us? i'm on the hunt for genuine mahogany and kamagong, which i was told are aplenty...
oh its an open invitation to those who are interested. :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: stringman on July 13, 2011, 08:12:09 AM
uy pre this saturday ah via musicom and i are going to go wood hunting! where max rufo gets his stuff. want to join us? i'm on the hunt for genuine mahogany and kamagong, which i was told are aplenty...
oh its an open invitation to those who are interested. :-)
Where is this place?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on July 13, 2011, 08:17:51 AM
uy pre this saturday ah via musicom and i are going to go wood hunting! where max rufo gets his stuff. want to join us? i'm on the hunt for genuine mahogany and kamagong, which i was told are aplenty...
oh its an open invitation to those who are interested. :-)
Oh maaaan... Why this Saturday? I'm gonna attend a conference that day... Haaay!
Anyways, I'm gonna give Miko a text.
Hope we can meet sometime soon. I've been at Miko's a couple of times. Wood smells so nice :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on July 14, 2011, 01:16:52 PM
Oh maaaan... Why this Saturday? I'm gonna attend a conference that day... Haaay!
Anyways, I'm gonna give Miko a text.
Hope we can meet sometime soon. I've been at Miko's a couple of times. Wood smells so nice :-)
dude screw the conference! :-D
you're missing out on a fun adventure, well to mikko, eric and i its a fun thing to do. the last time we went tonewood hunting we spent hours and hours just looking for fretboard blanks :lol:
this time mikko says the place is very promising. he says there are tons (TONS!!) of wood in a huge warehouse. i'm interested in genuine mahogany for necks and kerfing (or maybe back and sides) and kamagong for back and sides (i plan to make a harp guitar in the future :wink:) and fretboards.
i hope the hunting will be happy
so join us...join us...call in sick...listen to your inner guitar player... :evil: :evil: :evil:
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on July 14, 2011, 08:26:58 PM
you're missing out on a fun adventure, well to mikko, eric and i its a fun thing to do. the last time we went tonewood hunting we spent hours and hours just looking for fretboard blanks :lol:
this time mikko says the place is very promising. he says there are tons (TONS!!) of wood in a huge warehouse. i'm interested in genuine mahogany for necks and kerfing (or maybe back and sides) and kamagong for back and sides (i plan to make a harp guitar in the future :wink:) and fretboards.
i hope the hunting will be happy
so join us...join us...call in sick...listen to your inner guitar player... :evil: :evil: :evil:
Hahaha! As much as I want to join you guys, I can't back out on this one. Actually, the conference I'm attending is ot work-related. It's the Hillsong Worship Conference in CCF and I paid for the seats. :lol:
Just my stroke of luck it coincides with yet another field trip. But hey, maybe we can meet up for some coffee in the future?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on July 14, 2011, 08:58:20 PM
we can meet up and talk shop sometime. that would be great :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on July 16, 2011, 01:58:07 PM
just went wood hunting with ah via musicom. had a blast!
the entrance to storage room 1 (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_0542.jpg)
mahogany planks being dried (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_0543.jpg)
after going through tons of wood i settled on a log of kamagong 7 feet x 11" x 6" (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_0546.jpg) the plank was huge and heavy (cost me a pretty penny too :-()
resawed. the first couple of plates: (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_0547.jpg)
the yield: 20 plates and then some. good for about 4-5 back and side sets (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_0548.jpg)
i smell harp guitar :evil: :evil: (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_0554.jpg)
fretboard blanks. good for about 12-14 fretboards (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_0552.jpg)
one thing that entered my mind, it looks (and smells) like malaysian blackwood. there are many sub species of asian ebony and i really think this is a type of malaysian blackwood. its more olive in color than brown. but i could be wrong, who cares they're all mine!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: stringman on July 16, 2011, 02:28:01 PM
Jbarot, sorry if I wasn't able to sms you today. Busy with some home improvements. Home I can be free next time.
Free2rock? Are you a member of CCF? I sometimes attend the worships but i'm not a full pledged yet. Although my Mom is an active member everytime she comes home from the US.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: st_anger on July 16, 2011, 03:43:06 PM
this is a very interesting thread... i'm a wood addict my brothers hahaha... i hope i can join you guys in your quest for the ultimate tonewood..
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on July 16, 2011, 04:32:24 PM
Jbarot, sorry if I wasn't able to sms you today. Busy with some home improvements. Home I can be free next time.
Free2rock? Are you a member of CCF? I sometimes attend the worships but i'm not a full pledged yet. Although my Mom is an active member everytime she comes home from the US.
Yes I am. I'm currently a Dgroup member going through GLC Level 1. :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: stringman on July 17, 2011, 05:14:14 PM
My wife and I attended Marraige On The Rocks before at Caliraya. We were sponsored by my moms friend. I met Mr. Jack (forgot his last name) he had a production house in Makati. He's into commercials.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: inkslingerx on July 17, 2011, 06:08:09 PM
can anybody help me ID the wood this guitar is made of?
one thing that entered my mind, it looks (and smells) like malaysian blackwood. there are many sub species of asian ebony and i really think this is a type of malaysian blackwood. its more olive in color than brown. but i could be wrong, who cares they're all mine!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:
Subscribe to see how the malaysian blackwood turnout to be the back of a classical guitar.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on July 18, 2011, 10:34:48 AM
wow JB! nice find! other than mahogany and kamagong, would there be other guitar-making wood planks available? tsaka malamang flatsawn yan no hindi quartersawn?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on July 18, 2011, 11:28:36 AM
wow JB! nice find! other than mahogany and kamagong, would there be other guitar-making wood planks available? tsaka malamang flatsawn yan no hindi quartersawn?
they have the following woods: mahogany, macassar ebony, a specie of ebony they call tiger, Malaysian blackwood like what JB got although they just call them kamagong, acacia, figured acacia, 3 kinds of narra, figured narra saw flamed, quilted and narra burl, molave, ipil, kalantas same as what de la cruz guitars use as "phil. mahogany", and many more
JB got a big Log so there are sides that will be Q sawn, rift sawn and a small portion will be FS you can distinguished the q sawn part of the sets those that have straight grain would either be q sawn or rift sawn which is near q sawn also
they dont sort woods there by cut if they have any its really on a small number as all of you probably know q sawn is very wastefull and not very good for business in our country where even scraps get to a part of something like a chair, a part of a table etc...
but if you really insist on a q sawn cut that can be arrange you just have to buy the whole log so you get to decide how its going to be cut, otherwise for small piece of lumber then you really dont have much choice, but come to think of it its still cheaper to buy the whole log than buying sets via lmii or other US sites
lets say you want a q sawn ebony, then the scenario will be you buy the oversize log and the prices go up depending on the width, mas malapad ang width mas mataas ang presyo, if you get a billet with this size 10-15in thick x 14-20in wide x 10-12ft long then you can opt to have it q. sawn dami nga lang masasayang pero atleast still cheaper than buying a couple of sets online
@ JB you really hit the motherlode my friend looking forward to the blackwood build and the trip back to the yard
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: st_anger on July 18, 2011, 12:00:48 PM
@ JB you really hit the motherlode my friend looking forward to the blackwood build and the trip back to the yard[/quote]
im really looking forward to this. I hope i can join you.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on July 18, 2011, 12:15:38 PM
they have the following woods: mahogany, macassar ebony, a specie of ebony they call tiger, Malaysian blackwood like what JB got although they just call them kamagong, acacia, figured acacia, 3 kinds of narra, figured narra saw flamed, quilted and narra burl, molave, ipil, kalantas same as what de la cruz guitars use as "phil. mahogany", and many more
JB got a big Log so there are sides that will be Q sawn, rift sawn and a small portion will be FS you can distinguished the q sawn part of the sets those that have straight grain would either be q sawn or rift sawn which is near q sawn also
they dont sort woods there by cut if they have any its really on a small number as all of you probably know q sawn is very wastefull and not very good for business in our country where even scraps get to a part of something like a chair, a part of a table etc...
but if you really insist on a q sawn cut that can be arrange you just have to buy the whole log so you get to decide how its going to be cut, otherwise for small piece of lumber then you really dont have much choice, but come to think of it its still cheaper to buy the whole log than buying sets via lmii or other US sites
lets say you want a q sawn ebony, then the scenario will be you buy the oversize log and the prices go up depending on the width, mas malapad ang width mas mataas ang presyo, if you get a billet with this size 10-15in thick x 14-20in wide x 10-12ft long then you can opt to have it q. sawn dami nga lang masasayang pero atleast still cheaper than buying a couple of sets online
thanks for replying Mikko! good to see you are doing well and having fun! :-D
yeah good point..get a bigger log and qsaw it yourself. astig. wonder how the phil mahogany or kalantas will perform as body woods.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on July 18, 2011, 12:44:54 PM
thanks for replying Mikko! good to see you are doing well and having fun! :-D
yeah good point..get a bigger log and qsaw it yourself. astig. wonder how the phil mahogany or kalantas will perform as body woods.
NP maxi,
rebuilding my shop becuase of typhoon falcon, im building at snails pace right now but it will improve over the next few weeks,
kalantas has a lovely tap tone and the tap tone sustains like crazy, ill get a set and ask JB to build a guitar from it we'll see hehehehe he has a crazy build sched so it might take awhile, or maybe de la cruz used kalantas on his acoustic already
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on July 18, 2011, 03:00:40 PM
kalantas has a lovely tap tone and the tap tone sustains like crazy, ill get a set and ask JB to build a guitar from it we'll see hehehehe he has a crazy build sched so it might take awhile, or maybe de la cruz used kalantas on his acoustic already
i was able to hear an elegee custom electric guitar that is made of kalantas and it does have good sustain. :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: inkslingerx on July 18, 2011, 07:19:19 PM
ill get a set and ask JB to build a guitar from it we'll see hehehehe he has a crazy build sched so it might take awhile
hahaha! more like nonexistent at the moment! :lol: but after a nice change of events hopefully i can get back to building at a much regular schedule.
i've just started to sort the plates, so far i have 2 sets of harp guitar back and sides. the rest i have to plan it. can't just get a saw and start cutting away. i have to plan it to get the most yield. it will take a while... :-P
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: masterchoxter on July 18, 2011, 08:07:24 PM
@mikko
will visit you soon, bro
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on July 18, 2011, 08:28:54 PM
wonder how the phil mahogany or kalantas will perform as body woods.
i think they will do just fine. :-)
in a blind test, no one can tell the difference between phil mahogany from kalantas or from any other domestic and exotic wood. nobody. the tone we "hear" is affected by our bias from our previous experiences with the tone wood in question, plus the input of players/makers we admire. and although many won't admit it, we also "hear" tone with our eyes. plus the guitar itself just has too many variables and to isolate them regarding tone is impossible.
so go make that guitar out of phil mahogany! :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on July 18, 2011, 08:37:41 PM
in a blind test, no one can tell the difference between phil mahogany from kalantas or from any other domestic and exotic wood. nobody. the tone we "hear" is affected by our bias from our previous experiences with the tone wood in question, plus the input of players/makers we admire. and although many won't admit it, we also "hear" tone with our eyes. plus the guitar itself just has too many variables and to isolate them regarding tone is impossible.
so go make that guitar out of phil mahogany! :-D
+1
Let's build them guitars! :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: redballs17 on July 19, 2011, 11:38:38 AM
Wow it seems that I really missed a lot.
Sorry guys my phone got busted and I can not make a call and even reply on your text messages. Thanks JB, i still owe you some toog and WRC. :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on July 19, 2011, 12:08:33 PM
You're welcome Eric! Next time come along :-)
What I really need now is a drum sander. Looking at the wood I had there's no way I'll thickness them by hand! Mikko, let's build one! I saw some plans and I think they're doable. Let's put a 1.5 HP motor for power! Before I start building a guitar again I have to have a drum sander. How much is a decent motor anyway?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: redballs17 on July 19, 2011, 12:56:21 PM
Thanks JB.
what kind of motor? They sell brand new ones in evangelista quiapo cheap. My friend got a brand new generator there for arround 3.5k. There are stores who sell second hand motors for a much cheaper price.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on July 19, 2011, 01:13:36 PM
what kind of motor? They sell brand new ones in evangelista quiapo cheap. My friend got a brand new generator there for arround 3.5k. There are stores who sell second hand motors for a much cheaper price.
Yes! Cheap is good! Just a motor that can drive a belt to a shaft that will run the drum. I can make the the frame and such, but getting parts like the sandpaper will be a challenge for me. But I know it's out there. I plan to make a wider belt for wider guitar wood.
My only concern is that once I have the sander building will never stop :-P
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: redballs17 on July 19, 2011, 01:28:01 PM
hahaha.
I think Quiapo is the way to go my friend. There's a variety of tools and equipment there at a very low price.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on July 19, 2011, 02:30:29 PM
JB all the parts are available sa binondo i have a list of what we need, lets collaborate with the drum sander build hehehehe it wont cost us much a friend made his all in for 5000 pesos including the motor
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on July 19, 2011, 03:00:34 PM
From post on first Page. . 2008. . It finally find its way back home!!!
My Narra Custom Guitar. . borrowed by my cousin . . way back 1984!!! He gave it back to me. . when i visited them last summer. . not using it anymore. . he's now a doctor in Cal.USA. Built this when I was still in college. . . got a chance to get hold of this nice wood. . . an amature luthier back then and now. . . this was the outcome. . .
Body: Narra(red) Neck: Guijo Date made: approx. . 1983
Make minor restoration (stored in their attic. ..the finish was damaged badly. . refinish it), replace knobs and added string post. . Back then this was the best guitar in MY world :-D :-D :-D
ganda nito sir! parang gusto kong kopyahin design nito pag mag papa custom ako hehehe. ganda!
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on July 19, 2011, 08:41:33 PM
I was at Quiapo yesterday. I was looking through the power tools. Yeah, they're pretty affordable. Just a matter of knowing where to get some cheap. :-)
Mikko, I found the handwinder you told me about before. Looks nice. Hehehe! BTW, when can drop by so we can get started on fabricating the body?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on July 19, 2011, 11:22:24 PM
I was at Quiapo yesterday. I was looking through the power tools. Yeah, they're pretty affordable. Just a matter of knowing where to get some cheap. :-)
Mikko, I found the handwinder you told me about before. Looks nice. Hehehe! BTW, when can drop by so we can get started on fabricating the body?
kevin lets schedule it will inform you in advance pag pwede na ako medyo busy lang lately hehehehe we need to make your template pa pala
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on July 20, 2011, 05:12:29 AM
mission drum sander na yan!!
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: ermonski on July 20, 2011, 12:19:11 PM
TELEMITE -- termite infested tele (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC00840.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC00841.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC00838.jpg) a friend brought a termite infested plank of pine from their ancestral house.said he wanted it made into a crazy looking guitar,termite damage and all
wow this is the sexiest thing ever! What pickups are those?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on July 21, 2011, 04:16:52 AM
kevin lets schedule it will inform you in advance pag pwede na ako medyo busy lang lately hehehehe we need to make your template pa pala
I'm in it for the learning experience so I'm not in a hurry. So that's cool. Dami rin kasing inaasikaso lately--my kid's birthday coming up :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on July 23, 2011, 06:52:12 PM
ok, after a few days i'm still not done processing and sorting the wood! :-P
i used to wonder why luthier vendors love milling wood but hate sorting and matching wood for sets. now i understand :lol:
anyway, here's my partial semi-final sorting:
harp guitar back and sides: (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_2300.jpg) (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_2298.jpg)
im slowing JB down with the lacote build i was assigned to do the thicknessing but unfortunately i have only done 1 side hoping that JB and i could build the drum sander that way we get things moving
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on July 24, 2011, 05:55:14 AM
im slowing JB down with the lacote build i was assigned to do the thicknessing but unfortunately i have only done 1 side hoping that JB and i could build the drum sander that way we get things moving
mikko naman, oks lang yan pre. thicknessing plates is very hard without the right tools. i'm thankful that you're trying :-)
i will not thickness plane these plates by hand, the wood is just way too dense and hard. the blackwood has already dulled my saw, what more my jack plane?
joseph, i'm really sorry that its taking long. its embarrassing :-( i will make that drum sander, and once i make it mabilis na yan.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on July 24, 2011, 12:44:06 PM
hehehe will finish 1 set just so we get things moving
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on July 24, 2011, 01:05:13 PM
we'll be doing another run in the next few weeks. i have my eye on a plank of honduran mahogany, good for a couple of necks. :evil: or maybe get that kamagong log that i think is similar to mine.
WAS is evil...
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on July 26, 2011, 06:21:06 AM
we'll be doing another run in the next few weeks. i have my eye on a plank of honduran mahogany, good for a couple of necks. :evil: or maybe get that kamagong log that i think is similar to mine.
WAS is evil...
Screw the plank. Get a billet. :evil:
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on July 26, 2011, 09:55:51 AM
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: mastergelo on July 26, 2011, 08:23:17 PM
Hi guys :-) newbie here.. Anyone here have experience with the wood "Kalantas", i was wondering paano ung tone nya?? bright ba? dark? any help / information is appreciated.. thanks :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on July 26, 2011, 08:34:46 PM
Hi guys :-) newbie here.. Anyone here have experience with the wood "Kalantas", i was wondering paano ung tone nya?? bright ba? dark? any help / information is appreciated.. thanks :-)
can't tell you about the tone (tone is sooooo subjective :wink:), but i think its a great wood for guitars, be it body or neck. i like it because it's light (weight to me is a tone killer) and easy to work with. look great too.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on July 27, 2011, 06:03:04 AM
todd taggert of allied lutherie replied re my new wood:
Dear JB, We have received wood out of SE Asia, including the Phillipines. We just consider it an ebony species and give it a name based on what it looks like. We would call that wood Malaysian blackwood. We have material just like it. Good luck! (Sorry for delay, just back from vacation.) Todd Todd Taggart Allied Lutherie Inc. www.alliedlutherie.com
considering that 1. todd is the wood guru 2. the name "malaysian blackwood" is just a luthier coined moniker (such tree doesn't officially exist in botany) and luthier's mercantile sells MB sets at a ridiculous price :-o sometimes its better to be lucky than good :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on July 27, 2011, 06:38:47 AM
todd taggert of allied lutherie replied re my new wood:
Dear JB, We have received wood out of SE Asia, including the Phillipines. We just consider it an ebony species and give it a name based on what it looks like. We would call that wood Malaysian blackwood. We have material just like it. Good luck! (Sorry for delay, just back from vacation.) Todd Todd Taggart Allied Lutherie Inc. www.alliedlutherie.com
considering that 1. todd is the wood guru 2. the name "malaysian blackwood" is just a luthier coined moniker (such tree doesn't officially exist in botany) and luthier's mercantile sells MB sets at a ridiculous price :-o sometimes its better to be lucky than good :-D :-D :-D
Lucky indeed. I'm hoping to get a good bonus for this payout so I can set aside some funds for WAS.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: Rmansh on July 27, 2011, 10:23:50 AM
question lang guys
may nakita ako na gibson lp with flamed mahogay back,(normally they are just straight grain). i wonder if there's any tonal improvements at all or pure aesthetics lang?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on July 27, 2011, 10:32:31 AM
IMO walang gaanong difference. but if it were an acoustic guitar there would be some since flamed mahogany is stiffer. the main difference is the price since flamed wood is very desirable :lol: if you've ever heard of "the tree" mahogany you'll know what i mean :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: Rmansh on July 27, 2011, 10:37:02 AM
^tama, mas mahal nga sya :lol: maganda nga talaga pero nasa likod? :-D tapos yun front nya plain tops lols. google ko yan "the tree" hehe
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on July 27, 2011, 07:57:43 PM
IMO walang gaanong difference. but if it were an acoustic guitar there would be some since flamed mahogany is stiffer. the main difference is the price since flamed wood is very desirable :lol: if you've ever heard of "the tree" mahogany you'll know what i mean :-)
I think I know that one.
Back in the 60's, in Honduras, local loggers found a massive Mahogany tree that had a spiral bark--which means the wood is highly figured. The tree was so big that they could not bring back the entire thing to be milled so it stayed there for several years. Fast forward, somebody returned and got the big hunk.
I read it in the McPherson Guitars website. They have a special edition guitar made of that wood.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: nitotela on July 27, 2011, 08:01:47 PM
mga guys ask ko lng , ok ba ang manga wood na guitar body?magaan kc sya e
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on July 27, 2011, 08:05:08 PM
Back in the 60's, in Honduras, local loggers found a massive Mahogany tree that had a spiral bark--which means the wood is highly figured. The tree was so big that they could not bring back the entire thing to be milled so it stayed there for several years. Fast forward, somebody returned and got the big hunk.
I read it in the McPherson Guitars website. They have a special edition guitar made of that wood.
i used to live near mark berry's shop and he showed me a small piece of "the tree". normally with figured wood that is raw and unfinished you'd have to look closely to see the figure. but in that case the raw plank was just screaming with figure. there are still sets of the tree out there, but you'll have to pay top $$$. it's up there along with the "lucky strike" redwood planks
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on July 27, 2011, 08:09:10 PM
pwede basta kahoy! mahirap lang daw patuyuin. it tends to crack
Uy! Pwedeng motto yan ah... Pwede basta kahoy!
I like it! LOL!
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: Rmansh on August 02, 2011, 05:21:43 PM
mga master woodshredder:-D
meron ba difference yun location ng cut/joint/dugtungan sa body? regarding tone (here we go :-D), performance, stability, etc etc. i usually see sa middle, yun iba like this pic, sa upper bout and lower bout. tia
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on August 02, 2011, 07:11:08 PM
@rmansh, IMO there should be little difference in tone when comparing multiple-piece bodies with one-piece bodies. It's primarily aesthetic. Regarding stability, there are different methods and glues (this alone has another debate altogether) that work well for different woods (e.g., hide glue may not work on highly porous woods like Paulownia because it absorbs too much). Notice how the orientation of the grains are aligned on the glue joint?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on August 02, 2011, 07:55:49 PM
its more economics. its hard to get a plank wide enough for a body, expensive if ever. it just became THE standard. now we see more off cut wood turning up in guitars, which explains the off center jointing. in a blind test, no one can ever hear the difference between a 1 piece from a 2,3 even 4 piece. so to me it doesn't make a difference.
re porous wood, i think it glues better, you just have to put a bit more glue. aside from the joint, the glue will seep into the pores and latch on the wood even more. think of them as microscopic nails. as long as the wood is properly seasoned and very stable and as long as the joints glued are true there will be no problems with it. :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: j-sonic on August 02, 2011, 11:05:49 PM
if you're uncertain of strength and stability of glued bodies,you can add dowels before gluing pieces together
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on August 03, 2011, 12:11:33 AM
meron ba difference yun location ng cut/joint/dugtungan sa body? regarding tone (here we go :-D), performance, stability, etc etc. i usually see sa middle, yun iba like this pic, sa upper bout and lower bout. tia
Ang ganda ng grain ng strat body na yan ah! Bagong GAS ba yan? :-D
Regarding your question, i'd prefer 1-pc bodies but since it's hard to find a big enough slab for a 1-pc body as JB mentioned, i'd settle for 2-pc nothing more. Aesthetic din. Mas madali mag-bookmatch pag 2-pc. I also believe in less glue, more wood. :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on August 03, 2011, 08:58:21 AM
Also, electric guitars have more (i.e., electronics) into its tone equation, whereas acoustic guitars weigh heavily on wood quality and construction ;-)
Speaking of acoustics, does wedging backs have any tone difference or is it simple aesthetics?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: Rmansh on August 03, 2011, 11:11:01 AM
@jbarot, free2rock, jsonic
yun na nga siguro, economics, ang naisip ko lang sa mga 2 piece body(center) pag hindi maganda ang joint, sigurado affected yun performance since mostly sa gitna sila lahat, neck, bridge, tailpiece. Pag off-center naman it looks more stable kasi untouched yun wood??? curious lang my theory may be incorrect :-D
@maxi
no gas, nakita ko sa Eden eden yan may bagong ash/alder bodies sila, looks promising. i think CNC'd na sila. eto pa pics :-D
no gas, nakita ko sa Eden eden yan may bagong ash/alder bodies sila, looks promising. i think CNC'd na sila. eto pa pics :-D
Most, if not all post-prod bodies are CNC'd. Better economics (again).
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on August 04, 2011, 06:30:40 AM
some actually prefer 2 or 3 piece bodies for stability. if say you have a 1 piece body and it decides to crack, it will follow a fault line and that line may run through the entire length of the guitar. if it warps it the whole body will warp. with a 2 or 3 piece, warping is minimized since movement will stop at the joints. and smaller pieces of wood are more stable than big pieces, cracking is not likely to happen (but it can :-D). folks who prefer this do not worry about aesthetics because they put paint on the body. and some really good luthiers (like rick kelly and stefan sobell) can make multi piece bodies that match so well you couldn't tell even if you really look at it closely.
again this all starts with properly seasoned wood and good glue techniques :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on August 04, 2011, 08:39:45 AM
some actually prefer 2 or 3 piece bodies for stability. if say you have a 1 piece body and it decides to crack, it will follow a fault line and that line may run through the entire length of the guitar. if it warps it the whole body will warp. with a 2 or 3 piece, warping is minimized since movement will stop at the joints. and smaller pieces of wood are more stable than big pieces, cracking is not likely to happen (but it can :-D).
I haven't heard it that way before. I always knew it was good to be cheap! Nice! :lol:
Anyhoo, I'd like to put my question out there again: Speaking of acoustics, does wedging backs have any tone difference or is it simple aesthetics?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on August 04, 2011, 10:17:05 AM
does wedging backs have any tone difference or is it simple aesthetics?
you mean putting a 3 piece back with a triangular center?
again its economics and sometimes aesthetics. for tone wood that is hard (or expensive) to get in standard sizes, a 3 or 4 piece back is the logical step. just look at stefan sobell's brazilian rosewood "scantlings" build. or one may have two plates of good tone wood but is no big enough for a standard back they wedge another species of wood in between, usually maple. then some just like the look of it. personally i don't, to me it just interrupts the flow to of the grain to my eyes.
its impossible to tell the difference in tone, again i say that no on can accurately tell :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on August 26, 2011, 04:50:19 PM
I came across a lumber dealer in our area when I took my son for a booster shot. They only have mahogany and tanguile, however. Hope they have sawing services. I don't think I can bring home a 20-foot plank by car :lol:
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: stringman on August 26, 2011, 04:52:46 PM
I came across a lumber dealer in our area when I took my son for a booster shot. They only have mahogany and tanguile, however. Hope they have sawing services. I don't think I can bring home a 20-foot plank by car :lol:
Nice! Are you coming this Saturday?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on August 26, 2011, 04:58:31 PM
Sadly, no. I'll be in Baguio for the weekend. Make sure you guys update me how it goes. ;-) What are you planning to buy, anyway?
For this supplier, I'll have to check out what they have and how much they cost. Hope to find some wood for my starter stash :-P
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: stringman on August 26, 2011, 05:21:52 PM
JB and Karl! i had a blast kanina, 1pc mahogany bodies for the Kill!
Enge! ...i mean, I'll pay! :-D
Am here in Baguio. Terrible rain. Good thing we got here safe.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on August 27, 2011, 06:26:35 PM
despite the rain, nothing could stop us from getting our fix :lol:
my new stash of REAL mahogany neck blanks and kamagong plates (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_0019.jpg)
mikko's partial stash of one piece mahogany (real) bodies and necks (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_0023.jpg)
all ready for their new home: (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_0025.jpg)
imagine, a 6ftx8inx2in board and all i got was one usable back and side set. but very pretty (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_0026.jpg) still managed to get headplates and droptop sets from it though
a fingerboard blank. we split the board 3 ways (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_0028.jpg)
:-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: siore on August 27, 2011, 07:08:52 PM
Nice stash!! The figuring looks pretty on a couple of those.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: blacktele on August 27, 2011, 11:52:16 PM
What about MANGO woods? Ibanez acoustics are already using it. It has a good resonance daw.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: stringman on November 07, 2011, 07:45:11 AM
JB, Mikko, Free2Rock..... where are you guys?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on November 07, 2011, 03:32:14 PM
Still here! You game on Saturday?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: quaternotetriplet on November 07, 2011, 06:04:16 PM
Can't make it this Saturday. I'll be jamming with Boosted in Paranaque in the morning for a Decemvber X-mas party.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: j-sonic on November 09, 2011, 04:16:59 PM
Jackson/ESP Axxion mongrel. Made from acacia (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC02717.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC02716.jpg)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on November 09, 2011, 06:17:02 PM
Jackson/ESP Axxion mongrel. Made from acacia (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC02717.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC02716.jpg)
Word!
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: josh_rock45 on December 11, 2011, 03:10:34 PM
its nice to be back.. :wave:
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: megs on December 11, 2011, 05:14:27 PM
ayuz cguro ung kamagong natin. meron na bang gumawa nun? parang kung magpapagawa ako ng guitara, personally, kamagong ung kahoy na ipapagawa ko.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: josh_rock45 on December 15, 2011, 04:14:11 PM
my unfinished work..still waiting for the kamagong !!!!! :)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: j-sonic on March 13, 2012, 05:36:22 PM
My Kelly project (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC03033.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC03039.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC03040.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC03041.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC03042.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC03044.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC03047.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC03087.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC03086.jpg) Made from leftover mahogany from my other project. The first Classic Mini Cooper Limousine in the Philippines (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC03081.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC03064-1.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC03052.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC03074.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC03068.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC03069.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC03072.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/DSC03078.jpg)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 13, 2012, 08:38:57 PM
the guitar looks cleanly made, but i want to ride the coop!
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on March 13, 2012, 10:20:22 PM
Forget the guitar! Look at that ride!!!
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on March 14, 2012, 10:08:38 AM
Made from leftover mahogany from my other project.
nice! both pieces of wood are mahogany? the other seems lighter, or maybe it's the ambient light playing tricks with the photo. :)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: LesBol on March 14, 2012, 12:14:11 PM
@j-sonic, may built-in amp ba and ride mo? :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: j-sonic on March 14, 2012, 12:17:34 PM
yup.they're mismatched.the top half is lighter than the bottom half.the bottom half is left over from my wood stash 2 years ago harvested from 15yr old forest growth mahogany.the top half is from 5yr old farm grown mahogany.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: j-sonic on March 14, 2012, 12:20:43 PM
yup.they're mismatched.the top half is lighter than the bottom half.the bottom half is left over from my wood stash 2 years ago harvested from 15yr old forest growth mahogany.the top half is from 5yr old farm grown mahogany.
curious. how does this affect the overall balance of the guitar? :)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: guitarbrat on March 14, 2012, 02:00:27 PM
Bah! Ok ah. Marami din palang magagaling na luthiers sa tin. Next time na uwi ko papagawa ako ng gitara jan. Maganda kayang kahoy sa gitara ang duhat? Nahulog ako sa duhat nong bata ako e. Hehehe. Sino po ma rerecommend nyo pong luthier sa pinas. Postpone ko na lang ed roman built na guitar Gas ko.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: j-sonic on March 14, 2012, 04:39:12 PM
I mocked it up before finishing and the guitar feels well balanced imo.it's not neck heavy,and i think it will tip the scale at 7 lbs or lighter when complete.I enlarged the control cavity to make it lighter,so I can save my back during long jams.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on March 15, 2012, 08:07:01 AM
I mocked it up before finishing and the guitar feels well balanced imo.it's not neck heavy,and i think it will tip the scale at 7 lbs or lighter when complete.I enlarged the control cavity to make it lighter,so I can save my back during long jams.
nice! apparently looks can deceive. looking forward to the finished product. :)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: j-sonic on April 17, 2012, 05:31:43 PM
my Kelly project,with foto-flame top in tobacco burst (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/SAM_2084.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/SAM_2079.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/SAM_2089.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/SAM_2080.jpg)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on May 02, 2012, 07:12:22 PM
my Kelly project,with foto-flame top in tobacco burst (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/SAM_2084.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/SAM_2079.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/SAM_2089.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/SAM_2080.jpg)
Nice!!
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: j-sonic on May 03, 2012, 05:33:37 PM
thanks.the top is the mismatched mahogany.i had it airbrushed.I gave the artist an old Carvin catalog so he could copy the quilt top in tobacco burst.got the idea of a foto flame top from an old Samick ad in Guitar World
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: j-sonic on May 03, 2012, 05:38:52 PM
thanks.the top is the mismatched mahogany.i had it airbrushed.I gave the artist an old Carvin catalog so he could copy the quilt top in tobacco burst.got the idea of a foto flame top from an old Samick ad in Guitar World
That's why the flames lacked the 3D effect and depth. Still, it looks great.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: ermonski on May 04, 2012, 04:43:42 AM
hanep sa wheels brad!
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: zinitsi on May 04, 2012, 12:40:03 PM
sa mga may alam po, ok po ba yung nato wood sa body ng guitar? quality, sound, durability etc etc matibay po ba yun pang matagalan, for keeps po ba yung mga guitar na ganun ang wood?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on May 04, 2012, 01:53:01 PM
sa mga may alam po, ok po ba yung nato wood sa body ng guitar? quality, sound, durability etc etc matibay po ba yun pang matagalan, for keeps po ba yung mga guitar na ganun ang wood?
It's been done before. Nato has been used for acoustic backs and sides, which has much stricter requirements for stability than electric guitar bodies. So I don't see why not.
Actually, hindi pako sure kasi body palang yung nagagawa ko, first time ko pa lang gumawa, research lang sa web. every week end kolang naasikaso or kapag holidays, kaya installment ang pag gawa ko sa guitar. after ko cguro mabuo yung neck, mag post uli ako, try ko din mag post ng video cguro kapag assembled na talga.
tnx
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on May 06, 2012, 12:12:58 PM
Gawa ni Mikko. Pinadala na sa Iloilo (?), taga-doon yung buyer. But I had the lucky privelege of trying it out before it was shipped. Sarap! Fat neck, nice DiMarzio pickups, toploader bridge, 5-way superswitch with phase out options. Sweet neck pickup! :drool:
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: Rmansh on May 07, 2012, 10:29:52 AM
thanks.nasa painter na.waiting for the end result.
Win!!!! Nako kelangan ko na tapusin mga pinaggagagawa ko!
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: dennis22opina on June 27, 2012, 02:56:17 AM
anyone here own and is willing to sell a flamed maple? gagamiting pang top ng isang solid body guitar project.. pa PM naman mga bossing kung merung willing magbenta sakin..TIA.. :)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: j-sonic on June 27, 2012, 12:09:20 PM
Linis ng routing sir! Ganda ng mga guitar builds niyo. :-) Where do you get your templates?
thanks! I make my own templates,mostly trial and error.dun ka kasi matututo pag madami ka na sablay,hehe.yung body templates i make through photoshop,yung size I use as reference known sizes or dimensions such as pickup rings or the pickups themselves.that way,nasa 99% ang accuracy ng body dimension.plus or minus 1mm siguro sa body size.as for the template material,i use 10mm plywood and 1/2-3/4 inch mahogany scraps
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: j-sonic on June 27, 2012, 12:23:23 PM
thanks! I make my own templates,mostly trial and error.dun ka kasi matututo pag madami ka na sablay,hehe.yung body templates i make through photoshop,yung size I use as reference known sizes or dimensions such as pickup rings or the pickups themselves.that way,nasa 99% ang accuracy ng body dimension.plus or minus 1mm siguro sa body size.as for the template material,i use 10mm plywood and 1/2-3/4 inch mahogany scraps
Ako I used autocad, gnun din sa pickup rings at nut ako nagbabase ng laki nya,hehehe,sinong gusto magpagawa!???my kunting bayad nga lang,hehehe
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: j-sonic on July 09, 2012, 04:11:58 PM
F!r3m@n in dark cherry burst EMG style bridge humbucker EMG style neck single coil Aria pro2/Gotoh floyd rose (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/SAM_2177.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/SAM_2184.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/SAM_2182.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/SAM_2188.jpg)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: r_chino18 on July 09, 2012, 07:02:07 PM
^^
Awesome finish! Reminds me of a fire red PRS. :-)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: siore on July 10, 2012, 07:46:19 PM
Ang ganda, sir. Buhay na buhay yung wood grain. :) I'm a sucker for tops like those.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on July 10, 2012, 08:18:31 PM
Like!
Does the weather up there in Baguio cause lacquer checking, or is it still too warm?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: j-sonic on July 12, 2012, 11:56:05 AM
Does the weather up there in Baguio cause lacquer checking, or is it still too warm?
thanks sir..im from bulacan.as for the guitar's finish flaws,it's my fault.i'm cheap,sabi nga ni confucius"you pay what you get for".hehe.if you pay the painter more,he'll do a better finishing job.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: Rmansh on July 12, 2012, 12:38:27 PM
thanks sir..im from bulacan.as for the guitar's finish flaws,it's my fault.i'm cheap,sabi nga ni confucius"you pay what you get for".hehe.if you pay the painter more,he'll do a better finishing job.
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where exactly sir? im from bulacan too :)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on July 12, 2012, 01:12:48 PM
thanks sir..im from bulacan.as for the guitar's finish flaws,it's my fault.i'm cheap,sabi nga ni confucius"you pay what you get for".hehe.if you pay the painter more,he'll do a better finishing job.
LOL. Sorry, got you confused with someone else. My bad.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: j-sonic on July 12, 2012, 03:20:23 PM
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: j-sonic on July 12, 2012, 03:41:33 PM
thanks,sir
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: j-sonic on July 12, 2012, 03:46:04 PM
next project: Greco strat to custom Mustang conversion. (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/SAM_2164.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/SAM_2165.jpg) I'm more into radical shapes,but a friend asked me to convert his strat into a Mustang because his son likes the smaller size of the mustang
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: dennis22opina on July 12, 2012, 06:38:13 PM
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: killjom on August 13, 2012, 01:22:59 AM
Hey guitar body builders, maybe you have some spare rg bodies that you can give. :S
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: j-sonic on August 22, 2012, 03:16:42 PM
next project: Wolfdog, inspired by Peavey EVH Wolfgang (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/SAM_2220.jpg) (http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac284/jun5153/SAM_2219.jpg)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on August 22, 2012, 03:27:46 PM
electric! haha, kelangan ba talaga 2 planks? bakit di nalang i-cut yung shape sa buong plank(larger diemnsion) para di na I-gu-glue?(hehe wala ako idea, may kinalaman ba yun)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: Rmansh on January 17, 2013, 04:47:16 PM
electric! haha, kelangan ba talaga 2 planks? bakit di nalang i-cut yung shape sa buong plank(larger diemnsion) para di na I-gu-glue?(hehe wala ako idea, may kinalaman ba yun)
ah ok ser! sige.. haha btw pwede nga ba ang acacia at sampaloc?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on January 17, 2013, 05:10:54 PM
Basta 18 inches long, 13-14 inches wide. Depende sa type ng guitar na gagawin mo. I recommend 2 inches thick para may allowance ka kung sakaling gagalaw pa ang kahoy.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: rmanala on January 17, 2013, 05:15:19 PM
pwede sir, 2 gitara ko ngayon,ung isa mangga at ung isa ay sampaloc,matagal lng patuyuin ung sampaloc,send mo sakin email mo ,send ko sayo sampaloc pic guitar ko.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: CeL1916 on January 17, 2013, 05:28:49 PM
pwede sir, 2 gitara ko ngayon,ung isa mangga at ung isa ay sampaloc,matagal lng patuyuin ung sampaloc,send mo sakin email mo ,send ko sayo sampaloc pic guitar ko.
post mo nalang dito brader!
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: rmanala on January 17, 2013, 06:19:54 PM
wag na bro,marami pa rin kasing kontra sa mga local wood na gawing gitara.haha,baka,alam mo na.basta try mo na lang.mabigat lang ung sampaloc,maganda talaga ung manga at acacia,
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on January 17, 2013, 08:23:14 PM
wag na bro,marami pa rin kasing kontra sa mga local wood na gawing gitara.haha,baka,alam mo na.basta try mo na lang.mabigat lang ung sampaloc,maganda talaga ung manga at acacia,
Hayaan mo silang kumontra. The thread is titled "Local Wood for Guitar".
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: CeL1916 on January 18, 2013, 03:50:56 PM
Hayaan mo silang kumontra. The thread is titled "Local Wood for Guitar".
OO nga! haha, tsaka di naman ako magtutumba ng puno para lang gawing gitara!!! hehe, talagang puputulin na siya kasi may itatayo na structure, eh hihingi lang ako ng piraso! haha parang remembrance narin nung puno! :-D
parang
:wave: : San mo nakuha gitara mo pre?
:cool: : alam mo yung dating malaking acacia na nakatayo diyan? dun to galing!
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: emil_murillo on January 19, 2013, 06:53:42 PM
exploring other local woods is a big plus since there are a big ban on cutting mahogany tree here in the philippines.. :-(
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: j-sonic on January 20, 2013, 02:03:56 PM
i drove my wife to a place where she was told can be a place to set up our small business. the property belonged to her mom's friend. it was a large compound, i was walking around and i saw this: (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9820.jpg)
what the?! so i took a closer look. and behold: (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9812.jpg) kamagong baby!
and mystery wood that were huge! i put a sawed off coke bottle so you can get an idea how huge they are. (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9816.jpg) (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9815.jpg) (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9814.jpg) (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_9817.jpg)
so apparently it's been sitting there since the 60's. the father had a furniture business back then and he died so the planks were left there in a huge shed.
i want to buy a few planks! but i would have to wait monday until the family friend returns. i was told its not hers but her brother's. so i hope i can convince them to sell a few planks of the stuff.
wish me luck :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: ARTificial on July 06, 2013, 11:41:51 PM
^ Okay yang mga planks na yan ahhh.. gaganda sarap ukitan haha kasi mukhang matigas talaga e. :)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on July 08, 2013, 10:28:58 AM
sayang hindi na active si JB. ano na kaya nangyari sa mga planks na yan? :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: sweeplikevai on July 08, 2013, 10:45:00 AM
malamang nasa magandang kamay na yang mga kamagong na yan.. sa tancha ko lang, may nakabili na... i just cant imagine, 1960's pa, to sum up with is (+/-) 50 years syang natural curing sa ngayon... wiw!! perfect for fretboard talaga..
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on July 08, 2013, 11:38:14 AM
sayang hindi na active si JB. ano na kaya nangyari sa mga planks na yan? :-D
They're still there, maxi. the owner still does not want to sell at all, sentimental daw since they belonged to his late father. he'll let me know (daw) if he changes his mind. but i really doubt it. anyway i can get planks from another source. and i have fretboard planks of kamagong, honduran rosewood, panama rosewood and indian rosewood. let me know if you'd like to get some, i suppose.
i'm still active, well, more or less. i visit the site every few weeks but i don't post. i'm going by the old saying, "the more you speak to show off how smart you are the more people will realize how stupid you really are" lol
while i'm here, might as well expose my stupidity:
been working on a few things. tele bodies. i got a lot of planks from torn houses from the 1960s so i thought to make a few hollow bodies from 60 year old planks. the top is red narra, and i made 4 of them. (the other one is somewhere in the pile) but i think i cut the f holes of 2 bodies too big, since i copied it from a luthier friend. i have no interest in building with them for now. (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/image_zps1875b0d5.jpg) (http://s1109.photobucket.com/user/jbarot/media/image_zps1875b0d5.jpg.html) i like the nail holes and the wear and tear. adds character
lacote guitar: engelmann spruce top with crazy maple quilt. got the maple from an estate sale of a dead luthier. sorry for being morbid. (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_0563_zps5717c34c.jpg) (http://s1109.photobucket.com/user/jbarot/media/IMG_0563_zps5717c34c.jpg.html) (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_0573_zps2a210a14.jpg) (http://s1109.photobucket.com/user/jbarot/media/IMG_0573_zps2a210a14.jpg.html) here's it is next to the standard flamenco guitar that i built for my wife: (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_0571_zpsa60be63c.jpg) (http://s1109.photobucket.com/user/jbarot/media/IMG_0571_zpsa60be63c.jpg.html)
ok tama na...sorry lol
ikaw maxi, musta ka na?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on July 08, 2013, 01:10:13 PM
nice JB! you should share your work more if you have time! oks naman ako - being a dad really keeps me from GAS. :-D
those Narra teles look solid. 60yrs is more than enough time to dry wood. making it semi-hollow for weight relief? from what I've heard, mabigat ang narra eh.
killer lacote and flamenco! grabe yung quilt ng maple. do you have planks of that thing that can be made into an electric guitar top?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on July 08, 2013, 01:57:31 PM
nice JB! you should share your work more if you have time! oks naman ako - being a dad really keeps me from GAS. :-D
those Narra teles look solid. 60yrs is more than enough time to dry wood. making it semi-hollow for weight relief? from what I've heard, mabigat ang narra eh.
killer lacote and flamenco! grabe yung quilt ng maple. do you have planks of that thing that can be made into an electric guitar top?
hehehehe! having a child makes everything else look less important.
the body wood is some sort of luan. the top is narra, and it's not that heavy at all. i have some quilted maple planks but i think it will be too thin for you, around 4-5mm thick. if you can work with that sure. i think i have a set of european maple plates that would fit. not quilted but flamed.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: maxi_musikero on July 08, 2013, 02:31:12 PM
hehehehe! having a child makes everything else look less important.
the body wood is some sort of luan. the top is narra, and it's not that heavy at all. i have some quilted maple planks but i think it will be too thin for you, around 4-5mm thick. if you can work with that sure. i think i have a set of european maple plates that would fit. not quilted but flamed.
flamed is great too! do you have photos?
siguro kontakin na lang kita when i really need it. i'm thinking of having a custom guitar made in the future. :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on July 08, 2013, 02:49:12 PM
siguro kontakin na lang kita when i really need it. i'm thinking of having a custom guitar made in the future. :-D
the one on the left is the flamed maple. the lighting does not show it, but it is flamed. just let me know. (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/wood%20stash/IMG_2454.jpg) (http://s1109.photobucket.com/user/jbarot/media/wood%20stash/IMG_2454.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on July 08, 2013, 08:12:07 PM
Hi JB. Na-miss na kita. Hahaha :lol:
Wood run!!
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: stringman on July 11, 2013, 05:48:23 PM
Nice quilted tops.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on July 12, 2013, 07:48:59 AM
A friend just got some Kaimito with awesome flames. Downside is, it's as heavy as a rock LOL
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: stringman on July 12, 2013, 07:50:14 AM
Kaimito is a hard wood, almost solid.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: sweeplikevai on July 12, 2013, 08:03:44 AM
i've heared aged acasia is also good for guitar body,,, i just dunno why,, but i was just wandering, baka ikako good sounding sya kasi may kasama nang kapre.. lelz.. :)
kidding aside,, its on their list..
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: Erdy on July 13, 2013, 01:01:08 PM
Usually ginagamit ang exotic wood sa top ng guitar pero ang main body ng guitar is mahogany pa rin para sa mga lp type na guitar.
my custom guitar before, 3 pc solid mahogany body, straight through neck, ebony fingerboard, gold mop and abalone inlays.
I has a Custom guitar with caimito top..yep the wood is heavy and very very hard (like the bandsaw giving up hard) I was expecting the guitar to sound very bright because of the hardness of the wood..but the opposite actually happened. The guitar sounded thick and warm. :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: rmanala on July 14, 2013, 08:43:32 PM
I has a Custom guitar with caimito top..yep the wood is heavy and very very hard (like the bandsaw giving up hard) I was expecting the guitar to sound very bright because of the hardness of the wood..but the opposite actually happened. The guitar sounded thick and warm. :-D
santol din may flames din.meron ako dito na patungan ng pc.natry ko na rin ang mangga,maganda kasi magaan lang.maraming custom guitar na made of mango sa youtube.mapaacoustic at electric.yung mga taga thailand mango eguitar nila na custom.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: loydariel on September 02, 2013, 06:27:48 PM
nice discussions mga sir...lalo na si sir rj uber jam..ng-dare din po akong gumawa ng solid body guitar out of local woods...a tele body - les paul hardwares..tawag ko si telepaul..=)
nice discussions mga sir...lalo na si sir rj uber jam..ng-dare din po akong gumawa ng solid body guitar out of local woods...a tele body - les paul hardwares..tawag ko si telepaul..=)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: loydariel on September 06, 2013, 12:15:43 AM
sir dennis, panu ba magpost ng pics d2 sa thread na ito??? :-(.. .. xenxa po bago plng nakisali sa mga discussions like these..panu mkaupload ng pics??.. :-D
..it's a warm sounding guitar, i used 2 chrome covered humbuckers..tried it in an epiphone 15w amp...& sa Goldea tube amp..its heavy though..haha..due to narra & ironwood neck nya..pero sa tunog, im fully satisfied with it..first project kong tumunog yun e..actually i first built a les paul replica, si Pablo..same specs of wood used..& 2hb pups, kya lng mas naunang na-complete installation c telepaul kya xa unang tumunog,..i can say na lalaban ang local woods natin in terms of tunog with "foreign wood"guitars..hehe..my subjective point of view.. :)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: RJ UBEr jam on December 16, 2013, 10:12:51 PM
nice discussions mga sir...lalo na si sir rj uber jam..ng-dare din po akong gumawa ng solid body guitar out of local woods...a tele body - les paul hardwares..tawag ko si telepaul..=)
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: rmanala on February 14, 2014, 06:40:21 PM
up to this thread!
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Post by: cacophony on February 15, 2014, 04:45:28 AM
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Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: burnsbhm on March 18, 2014, 12:36:09 PM
Mahogany is my favorite body for electric guitar, but then yun nga sabi it is very much regulated na. I am very interested in learning different alternatives to mahogany. The most popular is nato. Then there one called Kalantas. I remember when Mike Mushok was with Ibanez his signature guitar was made of Kalantas. I saw this wood for sale in Sagada and in the Banawe Rice Terraces gift shop. Pero sold as sangkalan (chopping board).
Maybe there are more. Korina is pricier and rarer than mahogany.
Any discussion about it is greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: jbarot on March 18, 2014, 01:15:07 PM
^True mahogany s easily available here. In fact a lot of tonewood suppliers and even custom builders from the US source their tropical woods here. So build without fear hehehe
I rediscovered my grandmother's cabinet, just dying away in a bodega, so I made a guitar out of it. The cabinet is at least 50 years old. (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h422/jbarot/IMG_0707-Copy_zps12fc4c8e.jpg) (http://s1109.photobucket.com/user/jbarot/media/IMG_0707-Copy_zps12fc4c8e.jpg.html)
^True mahogany s easily available here. In fact a lot of tonewood suppliers and even custom builders from the US source their tropical woods here. So build without fear hehehe
I rediscovered my grandmother's cabinet, just dying away in a bodega, so I made a guitar out of it. The cabinet is at least 50 years old.
nice jb.. is the lacote model a cedar/mahogany? is it made recently or a previous work? I haven't checked out that one yet :D
regards
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: klemberts on March 21, 2014, 03:14:21 PM
yung kaymito. maganda kaya yung body ng guitar? matibay sya at medyo mabigat.
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on March 22, 2014, 11:32:51 AM
Haha! ang kama ko kasi gawang kaymito, ang hirap i-urong :eek: at ang tibay(if u know what i mean) :lol: Pero curious lang talaga ako kung ano ang tunog ng gawang kaymito na gitara. Gawa naman kayo mga pilipinong luthiers! At 'benta nyo sa mga body builders siguradong matutuwa sila di lang may gitara may pang workout pa :-D
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: free2rock on March 28, 2014, 12:25:21 PM
Haha! ang kama ko kasi gawang kaymito, ang hirap i-urong :eek: at ang tibay(if u know what i mean) :lol: Pero curious lang talaga ako kung ano ang tunog ng gawang kaymito na gitara. Gawa naman kayo mga pilipinong luthiers! At 'benta nyo sa mga body builders siguradong matutuwa sila di lang may gitara may pang workout pa :-D
Kung gagawa ako, bibilhin mo ba?
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: coy_2cute on March 28, 2014, 12:36:01 PM
^ dapat may kasamang gig bag! :-P
Title: Re: Local wood for guitar body
Post by: fretboard on March 28, 2014, 12:52:06 PM